How to predict whales manipulation

[Totoff]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

[Indamuck]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

You can't really predict what the market will do unless you are a whale yourself.  They tend to work together and have an inner circle so they can move the market in whatever direction they want.  It's why shorting or going long with leverage is very dangerous, you can easily get liquidated by a few candle wicks.

[Totoff]

And so what about to have 2 positions ? One in and one out ...
So one ready to buy and a second one ready to sell...
I don’t like stop loss cause sometimes you sell your position just for nothing ...


Aaaaarrrgggghhhh ... trading psychology is a real nightmare with crypto...
Hope to become a whale in 20 years with only my half $BTC 

[terrahash]

It’s very hard to predict their actions unless you know them.

[nussy]

Can we really avert that,  though their manipulation is becoming frustrating. I think they work hands in hands. The only solution I can think of is for the cryptocurrency to be regulated. If we have a regulated bodies govern the affairs of cryptocurrency systems this can be reduce gradually.

[jrrsparkles]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

If there is too much spikes in very short time then it maybe the manipulation from the whales but honestly it is impossible to predict the bottom or the highest level so you need to stick with your own strategy rather than moving out of your knowledge and get panic and be a victim of the whale trap.

[Kemarit]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

I'm sorry its really hard to see where the whales is going to make their move. Perhaps you should ride the waves with them. What I do? I hold on my bitcoin and never do anything just let it sit on my wallet for long term. As fraudulent as the whales might be, its really hard to guess when are they going to manipulate the price. Right now, things are legally murky, but if you have your own entry/exit strategy, then why bother with those whales?

[Totoff]

Reply to all...  
So I think that the more persons will be involved in crypto and the less they will be able to manipulate the crypto market.. because they will have less and less $Btc in their wallet even if it takes 50 years ...
Secondly. If we don’t want to be some sheeps, maybe we can create a pump group with all BCT members  
Of course it’s a joke, but I know that some kind of group already exist on some exchange but I don’t think that it’s really legal  

[Totoff]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

I'm sorry its really hard to see where the whales is going to make their move. Perhaps you should ride the waves with them. What I do? I hold on my bitcoin and never do anything just let it sit on my wallet for long term. As fraudulent as the whales might be, its really hard to guess when are they going to manipulate the price. Right now, things are legally murky, but if you have your own entry/exit strategy, then why bother with those whales?

I understand but as I have not many BTC, I wanted to do like Jesus ... multiplication of the loaves ...

[pooya87]

LOL, just because price moved in some direction (up or down) and YOU were surprised about it, that doesn't mean there is whale manipulation going on. 90% of the time it means YOU were expecting the wrong movement direction from bitcoin.

so far i don't see any manipulation in the recent rise. it is not even a big rise! price went up about 14% in 16 days which is 0.8% rise per day. you don't even find that kind of rise in big markets such as stocks market. they move much bigger than this and nobody calls that manipulation. so why do you call this tiny rise of bitcoin manipulation?

[KonstantinosM]

You have to prove that there is whale manipulation first.

It's a pretty big market and it's not as easily manipulated as you might think.


If you want to see, just go to a really smallcap altcoin and become a whale. Unless your spot in the rich list is at the top 100 I doubt you can really do any manipulation.


And if you're at the top 100 people can probably track your coins. If there is whale manipulation we would probably know it by now. The price just changed.

[jseverson]

I would personally worry about proving it before predicting it lol. I don't think there has been any evidence that whales are freely manipulating the market. All of the circumstantial evidence thus far point to exchanges and Tether and fake trading and whatnot. Even that cannot be proven.

I personally think that the market is too large for one or two individuals to be able to move it substantially without risking a massive amount. If they were capable, I don't think they would need to gamble.

[SyrulRamadhan]

I think they pay the media and make fud news and that will make the market panic and a red candle will appear. the people who read the news will panic and they will sell the coins

[PX-Z]

Today again some whales came back on BTC ..
Does anyone have some suggestion to be alerted before this kind of manipulation ... I’m really fed up to see some big red or green candles without any reason ..
I’m always in or out when it arrives ...

I think it could be so difficult to someone to predict whales manipulation, because there are no signs of there actions on when they start manipulating the market. But you can use some news sites to follow there actions, because some whales are just depending on the emerging news all over the internet.

[hatshepsut93]

LOL, just because price moved in some direction (up or down) and YOU were surprised about it, that doesn't mean there is whale manipulation going on. 90% of the time it means YOU were expecting the wrong movement direction from bitcoin.

so far i don't see any manipulation in the recent rise. it is not even a big rise! price went up about 14% in 16 days which is 0.8% rise per day. you don't even find that kind of rise in big markets such as stocks market. they move much bigger than this and nobody calls that manipulation. so why do you call this tiny rise of bitcoin manipulation?

People are just paranoid, the whales and manipulators have been a boogeyman of Bitcoin community for years, and it's easier for people to blame some mysterious whales for the price change instead of blaming the whole community. Lots of people are trading Bitcoin, some do it for a living, others as a hobby, and a lot of people are new into trading in general, so they might trade very emotionally, which contributes to volatility. This forum is full of posts about the price and price movements, and it seems likely that those who ask these questions are trying to trade, otherwise why would they care much?

I think that a big part of the actual manipulation comes from the media, even though it might not always be intentional: when Bitcoin is going up, the media, both crypto and mainstream ones, try to explain it and end up posting bullish articles, which further boosts the price. The same happens on a bear market - negative news are more common, because they are more in tune with the dropping price.

[davis196]

If everybody could predict how the crypto whales act in order to manipulate the prices,it would have been impossible for them to manipulate anyhting.
I'm pretty sure that the only way to predict  how the whales act is to become a crypto whale and partner with the other whales.Just get a few millions worth of crypto and you are done.Just kidding.

[skisport92]

to make acquaintance with one of them) think there is a communication established)

[V1saya]

It would be very hard unless you have an insider. A whale pumping and dumping on lower volume altcoins is possible because you can notice the volume and bots. But on top markets like bitcoin it is unpredictable.

[franky1]

firstly this move to ~$7k is not a big deal and i dont deem it a whale manipulation..
i think some newbs need to look at bitcoin history and see that bitcoin always sways in movments of 10%'s where other forex markets may only sway 1%'s. check google type in "bitcoin is volatile" and you will see its normal. and something people need to get used to. learn to enjoy the natural waves.

anyway.
no one can predict the next ATH tsunami but the underlying waterline can atleast be somewhat measured

the btc price is made up of 2 elements. 'cost of obtaining'(value) and then the bubbly speculative hype above that.
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earlier this year we seen the correction from the big tsunami of the speculation hype bubbles. but underlying that sellers were selling and the new buyers were setting their new limits. and more importantly miners were increasing the hashrate (thus the cost of mining) is always on a steady slope up.

august was a period of $6k+ mining costs. and with hashrates moving up the mining costs move up. and thus the underlying cost of obtaining support line moves up.
since november 15th 2017 until now. all the traders with coins bought below $6k has had ample chances. and ample panic attack oppertunities to sell at $6k. so with mining and traders treating august as $6k support. its now time to move forward.

the majority of coin holders no longer are willing to sell below $6k
no one can predict the next ATH but looking at the overall longer term bottom lines of support. and knowing its based on cost of obtaining limits (a line no one is stupid to cross below because they will lose) as coins swap hands that underlying line moves up which suports a price movement up even when there is nothing to speculately hype about.

yea there may be very temporary dips and blips because some people are stupid. but the gap between the underlying value and the 'price' is small and a good oppertunity to buy before the hype bubbles of speculation create new larger waves and the global warming of mining raises the underlying waterline of bottomlin support

[erickkyut]

It's to predict whale's manipulation on the price of the coins in the market because you will only realize that it is a whale if a big volume of a certain coin was bought or sold by one address only. You cannot predict it unless you know that whale and will tell you when at what he or she will buy or sell.