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Title: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 04, 2018, 04:11:27 PM There are a couple of users in this forum who constantly abuse gambling site owners and make the forum of less value to players.
game-protect and jolly good being the two worse offenders. It's at the point where even users who are just looking to keep up with news and promotions have to wade through tonnes of FUD posts by these users to find anything useful and a lot of sites have even stopped using the forum because of these trolls. Stake and Primedice have their own forum now as do some other sites. Bitcointalk used to be the best community for Bitcoin gambling back when we first started in 2013 and through to 2016. It's a shame to see it. I've spoke with many site owners and they all have a similar story, that game-protect has private messaged them threatening to report them to authorities unless they send him Bitcoin. Or he threatens them with scam reports on his website if they don't send him Bitcoin. I've had Jolly Good and Game Protect post multiple times per day for 3 months or more now just spreading lies about BetKing and me here. I don't care for the personal attacks but it isn't good when we are trying to reward loyal players or answer support questions and these people post nonsense to bury our replies. I have reported both them multiple times per week for months. I've private messaged the mods. I even messaged Theymos. I have had 0 reply. They have clearly violated forum rules and my thread local rules. I even had to make a new self moderated thread so that they couldn't post hundreds of FUD posts in it. They still do post and I have to delete daily. Here's what the gambling section looks like now with Jolly Goods posts, top 4 posts (one extra since i took screenshot) just spreading FUD and Lies about me and BetKing. https://i.imgur.com/rqgr8sm.png Do you think it's about time the gambling section got cleaned up and had these posters and the like banned? I can see more an more sites leaving Bitcointalk as their main means of communicating with players and moving to their own forums or Telegram groups if something is not done asap. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: RHavar on October 04, 2018, 04:36:37 PM I think game-protect should clearly be banned, he just spews a ridiculous amount of bullshit to drum up his crappy site that does nothing other than ask people to sign up with his referral links. Almost all his posts are just shilling it, or directly linking to it.
While I don't necessarily agree with, I don't think JollyGood should be banned though. Definitely having and bumping 4 different threads complaining about betking though shouldn't be allowed, and they should be merged or 3 of them locked or something. I agree with your general point though, the quality of the forum is really going to shit. Partly due to unchecked spamming by people like game-protect, and partly by the huge amount of low-quality posts people are (literally!) paid to make as part of their sig/avatar campaigns. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 04, 2018, 04:52:08 PM I've spoke with many site owners and they all have a similar story, that game-protect has private messaged them threatening to report them to authorities unless they send him Bitcoin. Please publicise those pms?Or he threatens them with scam reports on his website if they don't send him Bitcoin. Why do these site owners not open Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) with proof like it is very common here on bitcointalk? Your fraud scheme is crushed and this totally independent of whether or not bitcointalk will ban me! ;) What's your next threat? :) What was my previous threat?I've had Jolly Good and Game Protect post multiple times per day for 3 months or more now just spreading lies about BetKing and me here. Please quote the lies I spread about BetKing?A good poker player knows when he has lost, you are obviously not one of them! :D Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Theb on October 04, 2018, 07:52:26 PM Although No Trolling is included in the list of forum rules I still haven't seen any member who got banned just by purely trolling in the forum. All the banned accounts I am seeing are either from copy and pasting as well as spamming. I still see their names posting in the usual sections where they often can be found and they still troll in these sections. Sad to say that the chances of game-protect being banned due to trolling (harassing hasn't been proved yet) is low.
Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 04, 2018, 07:54:59 PM I think it’s difficult to prove what’s happened in these scenarios. I mean BetKing, you’re obviously a fully trustworthy, legit site as you’ve been operating for some time with no issues. Some sites will be scammy though so how do we know if users start posting here saying site X is a scam that they’re not being honest?
Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Kemarit on October 04, 2018, 08:06:58 PM I don't think that mods will simply ban those two for trolling, IMHO, just grow some thick skin and learn not to get upset. If you're not scamming some players then you can just ignore them, (Ignore user options) problem solved.
Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: audaciousbeing on October 04, 2018, 08:15:29 PM You have made some valid submissions and I understand the amount of frustration you had to endure in dealing with all of these "attacks" against you and your business and truth be told, it could be draining having to defend and repeat all over the place. If you want think want to rely on the moderators, it could be effective but don't forget that another account could spring up to continue the same attack.
My suggestion the best is to ignore and respond to only valid ones. If you concentrate on stopping or removing them, you might not get any headway in that which could drain you the more. The people on the forum also know how to discern valid concerns and that of a troll which does not attract any value. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Patatas on October 04, 2018, 09:59:46 PM Don't make it about the forum when it's clearly about you and JollyGood lol I don't really care what the issue is but he has all the rights to express his views and as far as I know, he doesn't look like a troll. Maybe you should rather sort it out with him and end it for once?
Hardly there are 5-10 sites which run businesses legitly, rest of them look for ways to scam users and hence harassing them to ask for proofs or to pay people who they have ripped off is not bad. Technically, it's not harassing but asking proofs/conclusions on the issues raised. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Initscri on October 04, 2018, 10:50:52 PM I think there's clear blatant trust abuse by Game-Protect which IMO deserves a ban (or at-least removal of trust privileges). Sending the same copy/pasted trust over and over again is clear abuse.
Probably advisable to only permit 1 topic complaining about about a site per category. Producing multiple threads is just spamming up the forum. While I don't agree w/ completely banning users, I would like to see a bit more moderation on the gambling section. It's far too easy to create an alt to bash your adversaries for financial gain. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: eternalgloom on October 05, 2018, 11:07:17 AM The gambling section could definitely use more moderators, just to get rid of the general spam.
I'd be very careful though as to not remove any obvious fake negative feedback. If you start removing that, we would go onto a very slippery slope, maybe ending up with sites taking advantage of it to exit scam. If Game-Protect really does send threatening pm's, I would definitely consider that to be an offense for which he should get banned. Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 05, 2018, 11:59:06 AM I don't think that mods will simply ban those two for trolling, IMHO, just grow some thick skin and learn not to get upset. If you're not scamming some players then you can just ignore them, (Ignore user options) problem solved. He scammed his investors in the height of $ millions and he also scammed his affiliates!Source: https://game-protect.com/betking-scam/ Dean Nolan is a disgrace for the online gambling community! However, he did it dumb and will be held liable! The interesting point will be when his separate fantasy dream world will meet the real world. ;D Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: stomachgrowls on October 05, 2018, 01:13:01 PM The gambling section could definitely use more moderators, just to get rid of the general spam. Each claims should have sufficient proof.Its being said that OP is being threatened thru PM's then posting up some images will let everyone know on whats happening and will have a particular response from game-protect itself and not to be biased but these guys arent trolls because people would just normally act if they would saw a thing that looks suspicious.I'd be very careful though as to not remove any obvious fake negative feedback. If you start removing that, we would go onto a very slippery slope, maybe ending up with sites taking advantage of it to exit scam. If Game-Protect really does send threatening pm's, I would definitely consider that to be an offense for which he should get banned. Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 05, 2018, 01:34:18 PM Notice his source is his own writing on his own shady affiliate website that has so many errors in it it's ridiculous.
Remember, he never bought in to the ICO. All the token holders are allowed to join our private telegram group. We have been discussing major changes to BetKing in there and on email constantly over the past few days. No one is unhappy or thinking I have scammed them. Unfortunately they don't really use the forums, why would they? There are a couple who could confirm what I'm saying but they rarely use the forum. Game-protect is an extortionist, a scammer, a troll and paid by other sites to spread shit about other sites. There are site owners who could show proof of this, they all messaged me saying that's what happened. This is not about me "not having thick skin". As I said, I couldn't give a shit if he posts crap about me that is not true. Doesn't do anything to me. But he might potentially be harming peoples business, that other people invest in, with his lies and FUD. See the problem? But I guess nothing will be done. If more people reported him and others, and actively pressured the mods to clean up the forum then this place would be better. If it's not done sites will just move off of bitcointalk, they already have started, and players who remain here will suffer. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 05, 2018, 02:07:43 PM Notice his source is his own writing on his own shady affiliate website that has so many errors in it it's ridiculous. No, I use the publicly available blatant lies on your scam website as source:https://imgur.com/a/nt6HUjC Quote The token value is calculated as: I + (P /100,000,000) Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. Remember, he never bought in to the ICO. To prove that someone killed someone does not require that he killed myself! ;)Game-protect is an extortionist, a scammer, a troll and paid by other sites to spread shit about other sites. There are site owners who could show proof of this, they all messaged me saying that's what happened. Why do you not open Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) like it is very common here on bitcointalk? Because you have no proof of your blatant lies?First you claimed that you have a similar story, that game-protect has private messaged you threatening to report you to authorities unless you send me Bitcoin. But after my authorization to publicise those pms you are not able to deliver? After not able to deliver proof of your claim, you revise your claim that I have threatened only other site owners and not you? This is not about me "not having thick skin". As I said, I couldn't give a shit if he posts crap about me that is not true. Doesn't do anything to me. Yes, I can see the problem, calling out criminals like you will harm their business! :DBut he might potentially be harming peoples business, that other people invest in, with his lies and FUD. See the problem? If it's not done sites will just move off of bitcointalk, they already have started, and players who remain here will suffer. How exactly will the bitcointalk community suffer if scammers like you move off?Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: MICRO on October 05, 2018, 02:10:58 PM Although i am all for the free speech on this forum i do think some of the members go overboard quite often.
Gameprotect is here just to promote his site and he does that with links to his site in almost every postg he makes. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: s0lidus on October 05, 2018, 02:14:03 PM Everyone on this forum has the right to post as long as they respect the forum rules. If you report them and nothing happens, it means that they haven't crossed the forum's red line, which should be respected whether you agree with someone or not.
Just report them and if nothing happens: use the ignore option, the more attention you give 'em the more they'll go on. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 05, 2018, 02:34:46 PM Everyone on this forum has the right to post as long as they respect the forum rules. If you report them and nothing happens, it means that they haven't crossed the forum's red line, which should be respected whether you agree with someone or not. Just report them and if nothing happens: use the ignore option, the more attention you give 'em the more they'll go on. I've have reported them for breaking actual forum rules. Mods done nothing Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 05, 2018, 02:44:19 PM Everyone on this forum has the right to post as long as they respect the forum rules. If you report them and nothing happens, it means that they haven't crossed the forum's red line, which should be respected whether you agree with someone or not. Just report them and if nothing happens: use the ignore option, the more attention you give 'em the more they'll go on. I've have reported them for breaking actual forum rules. Mods done nothing To ask you when the affiliate statistic of lifetime referred players will be re-installed is breaking actual forum rules or what? When will be the affiliate statistic of lifetime referred players available again? Lying about your victims and committing the criminal offense of defamation is not breaking actual forum rules? You were banned from the affiliate program for branding BetKing as a scam and promoting other scams and your terrible forum behavior. Not someone any site wants to be affiliated with. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Patatas on October 05, 2018, 04:25:14 PM Everyone on this forum has the right to post as long as they respect the forum rules. If you report them and nothing happens, it means that they haven't crossed the forum's red line, which should be respected whether you agree with someone or not. Just report them and if nothing happens: use the ignore option, the more attention you give 'em the more they'll go on. I've have reported them for breaking actual forum rules. Mods done nothing Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Initscri on October 05, 2018, 10:34:15 PM I think it's funny how after Game-Protect got banned from BetKing's affiliate program, he immediately launches a "scam" campaign against them, creating pages and trying to defame them.
You don't go from being an "affiliate" to a critic without shady tactics. He then sends negative rep to users telling them they should have checked the signature campaign they were working with and telling them they are participating in illegal actions. By that definition, he was doing the same thing. He's a hypocrite. You're either paying Game-Protect through affiliate commissions, or you're immediately his enemy. It's just a shady business practice. Even going as far as to change Wikipedia pages: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilotto Everyone on this forum has the right to post as long as they respect the forum rules. If you report them and nothing happens, it means that they haven't crossed the forum's red line, which should be respected whether you agree with someone or not. Just report them and if nothing happens: use the ignore option, the more attention you give 'em the more they'll go on. Let's face it, the guy has inexcusable tactics. He recently just shamefully jumped into a signature campaign I was accepted into posting the following targeting me simply because I've questioned him and his website on it's legitimacy: http://archive.is/o8qQb That's not positive behaviour. If trust abuse isn't illegal according to site guidelines, then he may not be breaking any rules. But he's definitely not a positive member in the BitcoinTalk community; and I think most would agree with that based off his trust score. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 05, 2018, 11:07:56 PM I think game-protect should clearly be banned, he just spews a ridiculous amount of bullshit to drum up his crappy site that does nothing other than ask people to sign up with his referral links. Almost all his posts are just shilling it, or directly linking to it. While I don't necessarily agree with, I don't think JollyGood should be banned though. Definitely having and bumping 4 different threads complaining about betking though shouldn't be allowed, and they should be merged or 3 of them locked or something. I agree with your general point though, the quality of the forum is really going to shit. Partly due to unchecked spamming by people like game-protect, and partly by the huge amount of low-quality posts people are (literally!) paid to make as part of their sig/avatar campaigns. Thank you for your post. Well, I have asked Dean Nolan several times to answer some questions to explain why he failed to live up to the whitepaper proposals even though more than $6.5 million was raised in the ICO. When he deleted my post in his self-moderated thread I maybe got twitchy and decided to make the posts. It is too early to say whether in hindsight I would do it again or not. The irony of what you wrote about users getting paid for avatars/campaigns is related directly when Betking had its ICO in 2017 I was warning people the ICO was a scam because of the way the Betking tokens were being pushed and all the misleading information Dean Nolan the owner of Betking provided in order to dupe investors. It was those very same users getting paid for avatars/campaigns by none other than Dean Nolan and Betking that were posting in droves to drown out the voices of reason alerting users to be careful. Dean Nolan and his beloved Betking cannot have it both ways. The most Dean Nolan and Betking managed to do was to lock the Betking thead and re-open another self-moderate done. Dean Nolan should be explaining his actions to investors and also any other person that wants to know why he failed to fulfill the whitepaper proposals and how he will rectify the situation partially refunding or fully reimbursing investors. People invested on whitepaper promises, not lies and scams. When Dean Nolan sent me a PM implying Stake paid me to post against him I took a screenshot and sent to the Stake team. Dean Nolan tried to wriggle out of it by saying to the Stake team "I assume he was paid by another site". Everybody knows Dean Nolan is a spoiled jealous prat but the Stake team kindly turned a blind eye even though if Dean Nolan had his way he would want all gambling sites wiped out so he could have a monopoly. The Stake team are great, Dean Nolan should take a leaf out of their book: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45280777#msg45280777 This is what I have been trying to ask Dean Nolan but he declines to answer. I am not too concerned about the Betking website regarding the way users place bets or deposit/withdraw crypto. I am asking him to explain various things regarding the ICO set up and the siphoning of funds under false guises: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893439.msg45824718#msg45824718 @Dean Nolan (Betking) There is a list of questions for you to answer, would you please be kind enough to answer them? If yes, please do not post URLs to previous posts. Just simple questions will be put forward and we hope simple answers will be given for all to see. That way several things can be cleared up and clarified. If no, then kindly explain why you declined to answer simple questions regarding Betking Tokens, Betking ICO and Betking in general. Would you please consider it? By the way, we are in October 2018 now but Dean Nolan has his beloved Betking website still shows © 2013-2017 even though betking.io was registered in 2015. Dean Nolan is making no mention of the Betking predecessor called PocketRocketsCasino which was around in 2013 but it is normal for Dean Nolan to stretch things when he wants. Time to pay your coder to change the "2017" to "2018" and then pay your coder again to update it on new years day ::) https://i.postimg.cc/s2KW4kvw/bk33_-_Copy.png Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 06, 2018, 01:01:48 PM ...Dean Nolan should be explaining his actions to investors... Find me a single investor who is looking for an explanation of my actions. You can't. They are all in direct communication with me, daily. Notice that it is only you and game-protect that repeat this nonsense. Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? They are not posting in any of your 4-5 threads. They are not posting in here. They are not emailing or messaging me. Find me one and I'll answer their questions. You adn game-protect however, I don't need to answer a single questions from you guys. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 06, 2018, 01:17:14 PM Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question!I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would be the second ICO 9 months later and while BetKing was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 06, 2018, 01:30:15 PM Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question!I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would the second ICO 9 months later and while the BetKing casino was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! Ah, so just nonsense conjecture and FUD then. If you have a scam accusation, base it on facts. No shit. But then I guess you can't. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 06, 2018, 01:32:33 PM Find me one and I'll answer their questions. You adn game-protect however, I don't need to answer a single questions from you guys. Chazley exposing Dean Nolan and Betking scam: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5gfdxk/betking_trying_to_censor_questions_about_ico/ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg42653726#msg42653726 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg42701702#msg42701702 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg42701747#msg42701747 Direct posts from investors about Dean Nolan and Betking scamming them in the ICO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43321499#msg43321499 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25690641#msg25690641 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25717485#msg25717485 Other comments about Dean Nolan and Betking: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.msg44943598#msg44943598 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.msg45382116#msg45382116 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43384441#msg43384441 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43031053#msg43031053 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43037110#msg43037110 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43107552#msg43107552 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43118265#msg43118265 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43217686#msg43217686 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.msg44030428#msg44030428 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.msg44644820#msg44644820 What is stopping you answering the list of questions I put forward to you in the past but you continue to ignore? Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them? Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 06, 2018, 01:51:17 PM Where are the actual token holders who think I have scammed them? Good question!I meanwhile believe that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million and that you lied to the public about the already received investments to mislead and attract other potential investors to fall into your trap! This would also explain why you are concerned about JollyGood and I calling out your criminal activities and harming your actual casino business. Because if you really collected crypto currencies worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you care about losing some casino customers? That does not make any sense, because you should have already $6 million in your pocket! Also, if you already received investments worth $6 million that temporarily increased to $18 million, why would you continue looking for more investors, while you even did not use a fraction of the $6 to $18 million collected for your casino operation? That does not make any sense! Also, your first ICO directly after you closed BetKing December 2016 failed. Why would the second ICO 9 months later and while the BetKing casino was already closed since 9 months suddenly so successful? That does not make any sense! Ah, so just nonsense conjecture and FUD then. If you have a scam accusation, base it on facts. No shit. But then I guess you can't. I already posted the facts of your investment scam. If you are too stupid too read or understand it, it is your failure and not mine!https://imgur.com/a/nt6HUjC Quote The token value is calculated as: I + (P /100,000,000) Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. You announced that the profit of currencies will be added to the token value. The value of the invested currencies temporarily increased up to 200%, but you did not add this profit to the token value! In the real world this is called investment scam! Now and it is very likely, there is the additional accusation of investment scam with publicising false numbers of allegedly received investments to mislead potential investors to fall into your trap. I have currently no proof of this accusation, but all the available info and your shady behaviour clearly confirms that you never ever received crypto currencies worth near $6 million. During the legal proceeding against you, you will have to show that you received $6 million investments and I am 100% sure that you will fail! I bet 10 Bitcoins on it! ;) Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 06, 2018, 02:40:16 PM Don't make it about the forum when it's clearly about you and JollyGood lol I don't really care what the issue is but he has all the rights to express his views and as far as I know, he doesn't look like a troll. Maybe you should rather sort it out with him and end it for once? Hardly there are 5-10 sites which run businesses legitly, rest of them look for ways to scam users and hence harassing them to ask for proofs or to pay people who they have ripped off is not bad. Technically, it's not harassing but asking proofs/conclusions on the issues raised. Thank you very much for your post Patatas What you said is completely correct. I am not a troll, I am entitled to ask questions and have all the rights to express my views. I agree with you, Dean Nolan should sort it out once and for all by actually explaining his actions by answering the questions put forward to him. I am happy to make a list and post them here and he can take his time and respond. That would be a very mature way forward on his part. As you correctly stated all I am asking for is conclusions and proof on the issues raised. I can list the queries, issues and questions (just as I have done in the past) and wait for Dean Nolan to reply. All of the users visiting this thread will see them too but Dean Nolan is refusing to address them and instead produces excuses just in order to avoid exposing himself by his own admissions and evidence. And yes, Dean Nolan is trying to show people this is about the forum when it definitely is clearly about Dean Nolan and myself. Thank you for your neutral post Patatas, I appreciate it. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: SyGambler on October 06, 2018, 03:13:04 PM there is no point in starting banning people for that , personally I will always play at the sites that I start unless I see a clear scam accusation
I still play on plenty of sites that even has negative trust cause sometimes I find the cases not fair or there is a little bit of info not cleae so I for sure won't care about some people posts in case I truly like the site there is a trust system here that can help a little if the attacker is posting nonsense , but some users here bring some valid points since I don't see investors complaining about betking and since I'm not an investor myself I really don't care about posts regarding this issue and I still use Betking daily starting banning people who are attacking sites isn't good IMO Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 06, 2018, 03:37:39 PM Find me one and I'll answer their questions. You adn game-protect however, I don't need to answer a single questions from you guys. Chazley exposing Dean Nolan and Betking scam: Direct posts from investors about Dean Nolan and Betking scamming them in the ICO: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.msg43321499#msg43321499 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25690641#msg25690641 Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them? Chazley is just the same as you and game-protect and bitter and jealous of BetKing, he is not a token holder. He just spreads FUD too. Iluvbitcoins I believe has sold all his tokens back to me and actually misunderstood how the ICO worked. As does game-protect because he keeps highlighting a quote that even shows he doesn't understand it. I don't know who jonte is. He claimed to be an investor but wouldn't give his name to me even in pm and didn't ask to join the investor telegram group. If he had 1.5 BTC in the ico he has probably had all his token bought back already. I own 70 million of them, but you all keep forgetting that. "Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them?" No, you don't deserve any of your questions answered since you post lies and nonsense that show you have no clue how anything worked and just believed idiots that also have no clue. Like game-protect and chazley. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 06, 2018, 03:39:29 PM Quote The token value is calculated as: I + (P /100,000,000) Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. Let me help you with that: Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. See how you do not understand how the token model worked and spread lies based on your own misunderstanding? Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 06, 2018, 03:56:05 PM "Can I list my questions and put them to you (again) so you can answer them?" No, you don't deserve any of your questions answered Dean Nolan you have several "Betking" usernames (betking.io and betking support etc) so it does not matter which one you use to reply here because the fact remains. Instead of you saying "I will not answer your questions because...." you could have and should have just answered them and if you could have proven me wrong I would gladly remove the Scam Alert from my signature and never ever post in any Betking related thread again..... ... but Dean Nolan fabricates excuses to avoid replying to questions because his own answers will expose his scam. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 06, 2018, 05:19:37 PM Quote The token value is calculated as: I + (P /100,000,000) Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. Let me help you with that: Where I is the initial token price after the IC0, $0.09286 and P is the total site profit from all games and currencies at the current exchange rate in $. See how you do not understand how the token model worked and spread lies based on your own misunderstanding? If you did it, why did the token price not increase for at least 100% while the currency value increased up to 200%? I know how the legal system works (civil and criminal laws) and there is nothing to misunderstand for me or lawyers or authorities! Your formula claims that the total profit of currencies (value increase- or decreasement) will be added to the token value, whereas you forgot to add it! By UK laws you are also obligated to do accounting, whereas you forgot it! No wait, your accounting and tax declaration is proper and free available, but you forgot to say where? You also publicly claimed that investors are part of the bankroll and casino operation. You also announced minimum 50% of the investment will be used as bankroll. The value of the bankroll increased up to 200%, whereas you forgot to add it to the token value? If you are too stupid to understand your own nonsense, you possibly should have continued playing poker instead! Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: the1abvoveall on October 07, 2018, 08:05:52 AM Clearly, Betking is avoiding some basic questions.
100% transparency = 0% scam and 0% tranparency = 100% scam. There are many other reputable sites which are totally ok with these type of questions and almost 100% transparent. clearly, Betking is not one of them. Thanks for the people of are bringing this scam on the surface. And instead of answering questions you are trying to ban them, SHAME ON YOU BETKING. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 07, 2018, 10:15:37 AM and not to be biased but these guys arent trolls because people would just normally act if they would saw a thing that looks suspicious. Thank you for your post. The OP created this thread in the hope of getting anybody banned for trying to simply expose him (Dean Nolan & Betking scam) I have no idea what alleged threats another user has made in PMs to scammer Dean Nolan & Betking but as far as my own situation is concerned I have asked Dean Nolan to answer some questions to put the scam allegations to rest but he refuses to answer them. You are right I am not a troll, this is exactly how I would act when I saw something that was evidently a scam. Just being suspicious would not make me make allegations, I needed proof and those scams in my signature are based on proof not suspicions. I would like Dean Nolan to answer some simple questions to clear all this up. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Stunna on October 08, 2018, 04:08:45 AM I think game-protect should clearly be banned, he just spews a ridiculous amount of bullshit to drum up his crappy site that does nothing other than ask people to sign up with his referral links. Almost all his posts are just shilling it, or directly linking to it. While I don't necessarily agree with, I don't think JollyGood should be banned though. Definitely having and bumping 4 different threads complaining about betking though shouldn't be allowed, and they should be merged or 3 of them locked or something. I agree with your general point though, the quality of the forum is really going to shit. Partly due to unchecked spamming by people like game-protect, and partly by the huge amount of low-quality posts people are (literally!) paid to make as part of their sig/avatar campaigns. Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum. I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Kakmakr on October 08, 2018, 06:49:24 AM Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards. Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations. The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us. If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly. ;) Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Initscri on October 08, 2018, 07:23:07 AM Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards. Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations. The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us. If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly. ;) I would counter that at the very least game-protect does participate in harassment. Currently he's trying to get me kicked off my sig campaign by going as far as doing the following: Hijacking the thread: http://archive.is/o8qQb And leaving neg rep on the campaign manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=449925 (https://i.imgur.com/qKRwydr.png) All because I disagreed w/ his shady business practices, and continued to question him on questions he wasn't able to answer. He takes the same approach w/ Casinos on this forum. I completely agree w/ freedom of speech, don't get me wrong. But I do believe certain systems should be off-limits to users who abuse them (such as the trust system, etc) Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 08, 2018, 09:29:09 AM Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum. I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board. @Stunna Thank you for the the post. Going by what you wrote I would like to emphasise that many in this forum believe that it is due to a lack of awareness on part of several parties (mods, staff, victims, newbies, scammers...) that has allowed the atmosphere for all kinds of scams including ICOs to take place with those doing the scamming not being held to account. When users try to hold the scammers to account then the scammers try to censor them. It is really as simple as the trolls dominating this board? Is there a possibility the scammers are actually dominating this board? I agree with you, staff here are against censoring users but is it possible their lack of awareness regarding this scene has actually allowed the scammers to flourish and dominate this board? I doubt Dean Nolan will make a Betking forum because there just are not enough users interested or using his Betking website. Furthermore because Dean Nolan is not a coder himself. He does not have an in-house group of coders that work for him therefore he will have to pay someone to make even the slightest or smallest alterations on modifications on his Betking website but it then allows for the possibilities however unlikely for the "coder" to do all sorts of things associated with fraud. He still has not even change the copyright footer from 2017 to 2018 even though we are in October 2018 and I pointed it out to him days ago... I have nothing but positive words for both Stake and Primedice as can be seen by my comments in the Stake thread but for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers. Dean Nolan is doing the opposite of what Stake owners and mods are doing. Even when he sent me the PM alleging Stake and Primdice were paying me to made negative posts about his Betking, the Stake team let it go with kind words that is why I hold both Stake and Primedice along with its owners and mods with full respect and in the highest regard: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45199982#msg45199982 And Stunna you even gave me 5 merits in your thread which when you follow the latter part of the thread there is not a single post by me which shows I am doing anything negative at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45978387#msg45978387 I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them? If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things. Whereas I respect your views on the matter Stunna I really would appreciate them even more if you and other members would make a clear distinction between the way I post and the game-protect does (which many have already done in this thread) and if you and other members would kindly ask Dean Nolan to just publicly answer the questions I will compile about the 2017 ICO so we can all move on. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 08, 2018, 10:39:37 AM I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them? If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. First, I don't negotiate with people like you. Just apologising and removing your signature wouldn't even be close to enough. You would at very minimum need to delete every single one of your posts that you spread lies about BetKing in. But you won't, I know what your aim and job is. Second, I have absolutely no reason to answer anything you ask because you 1) Posted lies and FUD and went on a 4 month smear campaign to try and give me and BetKing a bad reputation and stear players away form the site. You posted so many lies and assumptions that were just outright wrong. There's even one the post I'm quoting. I am a developer. You can't even get that right when it's pretty public knowledge. 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. 3) You don't listen to any other answers I have given you, many to the actual list you posted too btw. Instead you just post shit and bury my answers so no one can see. You still can't seem to comprehend that there is a PRIVATE telegram group that token holders are in that I post in all the time. One of the members of that group has even posted in here. Notice how they didn't accuse me of scamming? Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 08, 2018, 10:45:06 AM I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them? If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. First, I don't negotiate with people like you. Just apologising and removing your signature wouldn't even be close to enough. You would at very minimum need to delete every single one of your posts that you spread lies about BetKing in. But you won't, I know what your aim and job is. Second, I have absolutely no reason to answer anything you ask because you 1) Posted lies and FUD and went on a 4 month smear campaign to try and give me and BetKing a bad reputation and stear players away form the site. You posted so many lies and assumptions that were just outright wrong. There's even one the post I'm quoting. I am a developer. You can't even get that right when it's pretty public knowledge. 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. 3) You don't listen to any other answers I have given you, many to the actual list you posted too btw. Instead you just post shit and bury my answers so no one can see. You still can't seem to comprehend that there is a PRIVATE telegram group that token holders are in that I post in all the time. One of the members of that group has even posted in here. Notice how they didn't accuse me of scamming? You refuse to answer questions because you are a scammer. You list your reason for refusing to answer simple questions in order to deflect away from your scam. I gave you thread URLs of people complaining about the way you scammed them, others had no idea what was promised in the whitepaper small print so are clueless about it but it does not take responsibility from you. Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 08, 2018, 10:59:47 AM As far as I understood, Dean Nolan aka BetKing scam artist requests to get banned from this forum?
Because he is the one persistently and continuously posting blatant lies and FUD! 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. Is this person real?Several scammed investors asked you why the value increasement of the invested crypto currencies was not added to the BKB fantasy token value! Despite of this, only because some of your investors are not mentally able to understand your investment fraud scheme, does not mean you did not commit one! Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 08, 2018, 11:09:19 AM As far as I understood, Dean Nolan aka BetKing scam artist requests to get banned from this forum? Because he is the one persistently and continuously posting blatant lies and FUD! 2) You are NOT an investor in BetKing. Not a single investor has accused me of scamming. Think about that. Not one. Is this person real?Several scammed investors asked you why the value increasement of the invested crypto currencies was not added to the BKB fantasy token value! Despite of this, only because some of your investors are not mentally able to understand your investment fraud scheme, does not mean you did not commit one! I have to agree with you on this. I even posted URLs of the threads with direct posts of a few examples of those complaining (listed on Page 2 of this thread). @ Dean Nolan & Betking Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Stunna on October 09, 2018, 01:17:41 AM Yeah I agree, it's pretty crazy how bad things have gotten especially the past year. I used to be super active on this forum and I use it the bare minimum I can. As you mentioned, we made a stake/Primedice forum and I recommend you make a Betking Forum. I appreciate that the staff here are against censoring users but I think their lack of awareness regarding this scene has allowed trolls dominate this board. @Stunna Thank you for the the post. Going by what you wrote I would like to emphasise that many in this forum believe that it is due to a lack of awareness on part of several parties (mods, staff, victims, newbies, scammers...) that has allowed the atmosphere for all kinds of scams including ICOs to take place with those doing the scamming not being held to account. When users try to hold the scammers to account then the scammers try to censor them. It is really as simple as the trolls dominating this board? Is there a possibility the scammers are actually dominating this board? I agree with you, staff here are against censoring users but is it possible their lack of awareness regarding this scene has actually allowed the scammers to flourish and dominate this board? I doubt Dean Nolan will make a Betking forum because there just are not enough users interested or using his Betking website. Furthermore because Dean Nolan is not a coder himself. He does not have an in-house group of coders that work for him therefore he will have to pay someone to make even the slightest or smallest alterations on modifications on his Betking website but it then allows for the possibilities however unlikely for the "coder" to do all sorts of things associated with fraud. He still has not even change the copyright footer from 2017 to 2018 even though we are in October 2018 and I pointed it out to him days ago... I have nothing but positive words for both Stake and Primedice as can be seen by my comments in the Stake thread but for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers. Dean Nolan is doing the opposite of what Stake owners and mods are doing. Even when he sent me the PM alleging Stake and Primdice were paying me to made negative posts about his Betking, the Stake team let it go with kind words that is why I hold both Stake and Primedice along with its owners and mods with full respect and in the highest regard: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45199982#msg45199982 And Stunna you even gave me 5 merits in your thread which when you follow the latter part of the thread there is not a single post by me which shows I am doing anything negative at all: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.msg45978387#msg45978387 I just hope Dean Nolan answers the list of 8 to 10 questions I have for him. Why is he refusing to answer them? If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things. Whereas I respect your views on the matter Stunna I really would appreciate them even more if you and other members would make a clear distinction between the way I post and the game-protect does (which many have already done in this thread) and if you and other members would kindly ask Dean Nolan to just publicly answer the questions I will compile about the 2017 ICO so we can all move on. To be clear, my post wasn't against your activity, I have nothing against you and was agreeing with Rhavar's points exactly. I haven't followed your issues with betking closely so I don't have an opinion right now on the matter. I agree with Rhavar you should consolidate to one thread in this section about betking to avoid being grouped into the same category as other trolls. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Kakmakr on October 09, 2018, 06:31:39 AM Maybe you should just /ignore him in the meantime and make a report thread about him on the Meta boards. Ignoring them will not work. The casino operators have to monitor their threads for allegations that are made against them and then they have to defend their actions by giving feedback or responses against these allegations. It will do more damage in the long run, if they ignored these allegations. The forum promotes freedom of speech and both parties have a right to express their concerns and to protect their interest. They are also subject to the rules of the forum, like the rest of us. If the mods perceive these actions as harassment or exploitation of these services, then they will react accordingly. ;) I would counter that at the very least game-protect does participate in harassment. Currently he's trying to get me kicked off my sig campaign by going as far as doing the following: Hijacking the thread: http://archive.is/o8qQb And leaving neg rep on the campaign manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=449925 (https://i.imgur.com/qKRwydr.png) All because I disagreed w/ his shady business practices, and continued to question him on questions he wasn't able to answer. He takes the same approach w/ Casinos on this forum. I completely agree w/ freedom of speech, don't get me wrong. But I do believe certain systems should be off-limits to users who abuse them (such as the trust system, etc) The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum. If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience. Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system. I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem. ;) Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 09, 2018, 11:32:28 AM To be clear, my post wasn't against your activity, I have nothing against you and was agreeing with Rhavar's points exactly. I haven't followed your issues with betking closely so I don't have an opinion right now on the matter. I agree with Rhavar you should consolidate to one thread in this section about betking to avoid being grouped into the same category as other trolls. That makes things clear. From my perspective, months ago I started a new thread for each betking issue when they arose but then decided not to start any new threads when more betking issues arose. If I started a new thread for each scam accusation against Dean Nolan there would be more than 4 threads and the latest one would have been started today not on 17th August 2018. I already refrained from starting more when more issues and shady business practices came up for scrutiny. I re-iterate what I wrote in my previous post to you, "for example sake if Stake were to have an ICO with a whitepaper/guide which was used as the basis to attract investors bringing in millions of US$ but Stake owners did not fulfill the whitepaper proposals then I would get on the Stake thread and ask the owners and mods: "Why did you do that?". From what I have seen on the Stake thread the mods are polite and helpful, they never had a problem with me and I never had a problem with them because when I asked questions I got simple honest straight-forward answers.". This petition thread is another pathetic attempt by Dean Nolan to keep doing what he has been doing for a long time, which is to refuse to answer the actual questions and to try to deflect attention away from the core issue which is that he scammed investors. I will not be able to consolidate the 4 betking scam treads in to one but moderators can feel free to do it if they want. Each thread is about a specific part of the betking scam. 1) 26th June 2018 Is it a blatant scam? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4751127.0 2) 11th August 2018 MUST AVOID BETKING: What Happened to the 50 BTC Jackpot? Was It Just A Fraud? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4873939.0 3) 14th August 2018 500 BTC, 2250 ETH & 425 LTC Bankroll. A Fraud? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893439.0 4) 17th August 2018 Disastrous Reputation! Read This Reddit Post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4913034.0 -The first betking scam thread started in June 2018 OP is specific about the ICO token calculation formula and the plugin software. -The second betking scam thread started in August 2018 OP is specific about the 50 BTC Jackpot Dean Nolan was promoting then it vanished without trace or announcement or a winner. -The third betking scam thread started in August 2018 OP is specific about the 50% ICO funds that were allegedly guaranteed to go to the bankroll but that did not seem to happen. -The fourth betking scam thread started in June 2018 OP is specific about the private chats Dean Nolan had with another user here pre-ICO which exposes much of his scam intentions. As mentioned above, the last betking scam thread I started was in August 2018 nearly 2 months ago and I voluntarily decided not to start new threads for each accusation or new information that came to light. Why is it a big problem? Had Dean Nolan actually answered the questions things would have been different as several of the betking scam threads would not have even been started. My earlier statement also stands firm. If Dean Nolan proves he is right by providing evidence that everybody in the forum can see and it proves I am wrong, I will remove the Scam Alert from my signature and publicly apologise to him. He overreacted, did not like being questioned and went on the defensive instead of behaving in a mature and sensible manner trying to resolve the issues as soon as possible in order for both parties to concentrate on other things. If he continues to refuse answering the questions, then another earlier statement stand firm too: @ Dean Nolan & Betking - Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities. If Dean Nolan does not answer the questions about betking scamming and does not let me know which country he lives in for the sole purpose of reporting him to the legal authorities, then I will have to start one final betking scam thread but more on that later if the need arises. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Initscri on October 09, 2018, 04:37:13 PM The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum. If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience. Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system. I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem. ;) I completely agree with the 1 thread debate mentality. I have no issues with users who create 1 thread to debate a specific topic, even if their practice/opinions may be controversial. But there are a few users who are blatantly targeting/harassing users who disagree with them, and abusing the trust system, and they should be reigned in or have specific privileges banned/temp-banned. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 09, 2018, 04:51:47 PM The same rules apply to everyone. If anyone are disruptive and the cause of an unpleasant experience for everyone else on the forum, then mods will remove the cause of the disruption. We need to see the bigger picture here and that is the experience people get from this forum. If the debate stay in one thread and it is not disruptive to the people that are not interested in that debate, then everything should be fine, but once this spills over to multiple threads on the same topic, then it becomes disruptive and people will have a unpleasant experience. Exploitation of the trust system will also not be tolerated by the mods, but they need to judge the situation to see if it was done to exploit the system. I just hope that all of you can come to some kind of resolution for this problem. ;) Thank you for the post. I broadly agree with your comments. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: hilariousandco on October 10, 2018, 10:15:59 AM This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned.
Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 10, 2018, 01:35:13 PM This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned. I have a self mod thread with local rules that these users broke and I messaged you asking to ban them for that. Can you check? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5023833.0 Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 10, 2018, 02:08:01 PM This isn't about more mods, but forum policy. Without changing that Staff can't go around making up their own rules and they need to follow the ones in place and theymos generally wants as much freedom as possible, and whilst that is generally good, it also obviously comes with downsides and people are often willing to abuse that freedom. Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. Even if certain users are banned they will likely just create a new account and start harassing you again so banning isn't always effective. I have suggested new enhanced features where users/businesses can moderate their own threads how they like and can even permanently ban or block certain users or user groups from even posting in that thread, but in the meantime you can self-mod a thread and make your own local rules prohibiting certain users from posting there. If they break those local rules then users can be banned. @hilariousandco I have no idea about alleged extortion from any user towards another though I read an accusation from Dean Nolan towards game-protect. Likewise game-protect has made various allegations against Dean Nolan and betking. As far posting in self-moderated threads is concerned sure I did post there and Dean Nolan deleted my posts so I stopped posting there. I have no intention of posting in any self-moderated thread no matter who starts them if my posts will get deleted. I on the other hand believe self-moderated threads defeat the purpose as they censor but even with Dean Nolan and betking having a self-moderated it is quite clear there is no rush for users to join-in because Bitsler, Stake and Primedice seems to be where the users are rushing to, but that is another matter. I have done nothing that deserves a ban. If anything, in my opinion any person that conducts an ICO and then fails to live up to what was proposed in the whitepaper should be banned but we are all entitled to our opinions. In one instance a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied. Dean Nolan came to this community cap-in-hand begging for funds during the ICO for betking but it was all based on misdirection, misinformation and some outright lies. He has refused to answer the questions openly in the forum that will either prove his innocence or guilt. They will prove his guilt from his own keyboard that is why Dean Nolan has gone on the defensive trying to get me banned. @ Dean Nolan & Betking I no longer want you to answer any questions about the betking scam because you made it clear you will not answer them,I waited long enough giving you ample time. Having said that, Dean Nolan you chose to ignore the last question I asked in the previous post. This is the final time I will ask, if you do not reply I will open a thread to invite users to send anything which might be deemed as evidence in a Court of Law. Answer the question please so I can start contacting the appropriate legal authorities, after all you claim you have nothing to hide so: Which country do you live in Dean Nolan? Is it N.America? EU? Is it Asia? If your country of residence has a robust legal system I will report you to the appropriate legal authorities. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 10, 2018, 02:11:07 PM Some users do get away with far too much here but Staff generally don't get involved unless it breaks forum policy, so if you have evidence of harassment and extortion then you should report those messages to Global mods and/or open up a thread in Reputation or Scam Accusations, but there's only so much Staff can do about that. BetKing Support committed the criminal offense of defamation with claiming that I private messaged and threatened to report him to authorities unless he sends me Bitcoin. I've spoke with many site owners and they all have a similar story, that game-protect has private messaged them threatening to report them to authorities unless they send him Bitcoin. Even though I authorized him to publicise these threatening private messages, he failed to deliver! Thereafter he somehow modified his criminal offense of defamation that he was only told by other site owners that I have threaten them and not himself (If I understood correctly). Game-protect is an extortionist, a scammer, a troll and paid by other sites to spread shit about other sites. There are site owners who could show proof of this, they all messaged me saying that's what happened. I then authorized the other site owners to publicise these threatening private messages and BetKing Support failed again to deliver! I furthermore asked BetKing Support why he did not open a scam accusation like it is very common here on bitcointalk and he of course failed again to answer! What this scam artist does is committing a series of criminal offenses like investment and affiliate scam and defamation and then asks the forum moderators to ban Game Protect for a not committed threatening or extortion or scam! But just to clarify, the criminal offenses of investment and affiliate scam and defamation are allowed by forum rules and the criminal offenses of threatening or extortion are not? Is there a list of what criminal offenses are allowed and what not? Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: BetKing Support on October 10, 2018, 02:25:53 PM a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied. I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't. Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility. Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time. Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: game-protect on October 10, 2018, 02:41:07 PM a couple of months back Dean Nolan claimed users game-protect, chazley and myself were the same person before backing down and accepting he lied. I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't. Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility. Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time. Your analysis skills are close to zero! I think you even did not realize that you are crushed! Let us see when your separate fantasy dream world will hit the reality! :D Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: JollyGood on October 10, 2018, 05:04:31 PM I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't. Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility. Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time. I hope people come forward with information that can be passed on to the law enforcement agencies in the country you reside in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787) Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Sandpaper44 on October 10, 2018, 07:09:59 PM The problem I see with having mods in charge of this aspect is bitcointalk has a history of people being corrupted and pushing aspects to make friends or people that pay them more money. Most people can read between the lines on who is trolling because those folks tend to never let off the gas pedal in their focus on a topic.
Best to just say "hey we got some idiots in here be warned, use a brain cell"! Title: Re: Petition for new mods who will ban users who troll and harass sites Post by: Initscri on October 10, 2018, 07:24:20 PM I still think you and game-protect are the same person. Mods could check this and confirm, but they won't. Some BKB token holders and other sites also think this is a possibility. Funny how you both post messages around the same time (a few minutes apart) and you both bump threads and talk to each other at the same time. I hope people come forward with information that can be passed on to the law enforcement agencies in the country you reside in: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047787) Maybe it's best you guys move this over to the other topic discussing your accusations against BetKing. This is just turning into another alt version of your other BetKing threads. I'm not dismissing/agreeing to any of the claims, just probably best to maintain 1 thread, not 5 different ones w/ separate yet similar debates going on. The problem I see with having mods in charge of this aspect is bitcointalk has a history of people being corrupted and pushing aspects to make friends or people that pay them more money. Most people can read between the lines on who is trolling because those folks tend to never let off the gas pedal in their focus on a topic. Best to just say "hey we got some idiots in here be warned, use a brain cell"! Agreed, there's always going to be users which simply don't add anything beneficial to the forum. IMO the forum should be open to all opinions, and no one should try to force against freedom of speech. However, systems like the trust system IMO are a privileges on this forum. If you abuse it (send mass copy/pasted neg trust to your adversaries), then you deserve at the very least a removal of all of that negative trust. |
