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I saw someone on Twitter suggesting to do the same search because this was his result.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwBQJorV4AAMie2?format=jpg&name=large

I did, and I almost got the same set of "developers". Hahaha.

I believe the newbies who came to Bitcoin after 2017 or 2018 are very ill-informed about everything. We also got members of the forum, who are gaslighting, and making it worse.

Newbies, be careful.

Google doesn't have to know who the btc core developers are. (They nailed it with satoshi nakamoto though, that was a good start) Especially while some bitcoin developers are completely anonymous. Do you know who the hell btcdrak is? And you expect google to know?  ;D (Maybe they do)

Newbies will either get smarter or they'll be losing money just like every other dumb block. It is up to them.

Bitcoin development is so decentralized that Google's algorithms can't figure out who they are. ;)


I feel the same way. I'm all for trying to steer newbies in the right direction, but there's a steep learning curve with Bitcoin. Many people simply won't learn until they pay for their mistakes -- leaving funds on exchanges or online wallets, putting all their faith in crappy altcoins, etc.

haha, Roger Ver is so funny right in the middle of all this. so basically i think their engine is looking for anywhere that the term "bitcoin core developers" is listed and includes the names in the results. and we all know Ver has been talking about them nonstop. :D

I'm a newbie, and as far as I know all suspected fraud has been posted in the scam accusation board. Is it time to report Wikipedia on the scam list because this site displays fake teams? ::)

Those guys don't appear in my searh results,when a search for "Bitcoin Core Developers".
When is search in google images for that keyword,people like Greg Maxwell and Corey Fields appear on the top of the list.Nothing about Satoshi(with a picture of some random japanese old man),Nick Tsabo or Rojer Ver.

How do we know these guys don't have secret Batman-esque lives as the hottest developers on the planet?

It's possible they all run an as yet undeclared DeepStateCoin that's been underpinning the world for decades. That's why the CIA had to replace Gavin Andresen's mind with a Nokia 6110 when he refused to contribute.

i done the same search and i got names like greg maxwell luke dashir chrisdecker

funny part is
google takes a search key word and searches for results based on user preferences.

EG as a true bitcoiner if i search for "miners" my results come up with ASICS
a gold merchant or a coal worker would result in things related to excavators, sluice machines and quarries

we all know windfury loves his roger ver drama. so ofcourse FOR WINDFURY thats the results windfury would get

so it seems that windfury has the wrong results because windfury has in the past been told stories to only look at and discuss social drama of non-important people, and built up HIS OWN search preference thats not the truth.

windfury basically has been led down the wrong path.

but i do laugh whenever i mention a real bitcoin dev.. him and his buddies come running into a topic to meander the topic to attempt get me not to talk about the real devs and real issues. and instead to meander it into social drama about non dev stuff

so in short. google is proving to windfury that he is in an echo chamber of dont mention real devs and try to make people think about non-dev social drama.
windfury google is showing you your falling for your own buddies trick by leading YOU down the wrong path based on your own wrong path search history/preferences

emphasis
google is not broke.
YOUR. yes YOUR search preferences is the thing that is broke

The wikipedia article on Bitcoin Core has a Bitcoin footer, inside which there's a people section which has all the mentioned people as well as others, like Mark Karpeles or Andreas Antonopoulos. So, google just pulled this list from that article, trying to be smart. It's a very well known problem with google when it shows wrong photos and unrelated people, thinking that they are relevant to the search.
Just recently I've been reading an article about woman who shares a name with a dead woman, and Google mixed up their photos in the search results, so now people think that she is dead.

In fact Google just cited the names (+photos) according to Wikipedia...it took too much effort hehe ;)
Don't want to mix this topic with politics but Trump once accused Google for showing bad articles on top, well, it appears that the white house search preferences are broke  :P

Well I have seen that and also the image of satoshi nakamoto but I am in the opinion that it's not original picture of the bitcoin creator. Google always has an answer to any questions regardless of if it's correct it not

they are
if trump is obsessed with mentioning russia and china. then search results will point to what russia and china re doing.
there are hundreds of countries.
i search for things like hawaii.
so when i search "national emergency". i DONT get results about russia / china. my top result was the text alert thing that happened in hawaii awhile ago that was alerting people to a missile alert.

but i can guarantee trump gets stuff about mexico russia and china. and probably never gets anything about germany, italy or other countries he doesnt think about

Same here. It's funny to even think about a random crypto get rich quick noob to seriously search for who the developers are of a certain coin. They don't care, neither do the people who are above the get rich quick category. Most noobs stick to youtubers feeding them rehashed content, and based on the content they either get bullish or bearish.

I didn't expect that just reading articles on youtube would be something allowing you as "content creator" to reach 50-100,000 subscribers.

In the end, I think it's better for people to not fully know who develops what, because the more of a public figure they become, the more of a target they become. The only thing I care about is that the software they work on is working as I expect it to work, and in case of Bitcoin Core, it does. It's by far the best in every way, which clearly shows if we look at the adoption numbers.

also satoshi's actual client was on sourceforge.. it was gavin that used github and everything continued from that.
the version gavin had on github in 2010 was different than satoshi's

but hey, if you ask trump  he will say russia and china had something to do with it because google told him

This is a lack of Google search engine.

I think they are always obliged to produce results for the given parameters, but they do not always show the correct results.

Google does not figure out, it rather adds up popular searches by people and use it to provide suggestions when that particular search word is used by someone.

I am relatively new so I do not see the irony in most of the names, Satoshi of course is an example everyone can relate with.

It looks like poor Dorian will forever remain "satoshi nakamoto" in the eyes of newbies. And the cringe of seeing Roger Rer as the face of Bitcoin is real. He was working so hard to make people confuse bcash with Bitcoin it had to work. There was no other way.

I think its returning results on a popularity basis - not certain results.

Not in "Google Images". Try doing the regular web search, and look at the images on the top. Sometimes I also get Mark Karpeles, and Gavin Andresen. Hahaha.



Can you show us a screenshot?


Then does that mean you love your Bitcoin Core developers drama? 8)


I have done the search in different browsers, different OS, deleted cookies, deleted internet data history, and did the search on TOR. I have almost the same results with small changes, and those changes were not Core developers.


Have I?

I did the search again. It includes Charlie Shrem! Hahahahaha.

The name was correct but the photo is not :D someone needs to create a wiki photo with an anonymous profile pic and label it Satoshi. And make a not that he is no longer developing the code

seems wind fury is now ignoring googles search results of bitcoin core devs, and now only wants to discuss WIKI

maybe what windfury needs to do is check wiki and realise people edited wiki to include those names. and should maybe get a wiki mod to edit the wiki.
(usually anyone can edit wiki, but as with everything.. even core. you find getting an edit actually published is easier if you kiss  a moderators ass) im sure he knows how to proceed with this

probably we will never know who the developers really are because it is all encrypted in detail

its actually very transparent who the developers are. if you know how to research properly.
P..S
satoshi was NEVER a "bitcoin core developer" so his identity is not a question for this topic. and his involvement is not a current even. he has not done anything since late 2010 so not important or relevant to todays code concerns

Do I? I said do, "Bitcoin Core developers" search, and look at the images at the top. I posted a screenshot of where to look.


Hahaha. Maybe franky1 needs to take himself less seriously. The topic was supposed to be funny, but he came in on a full on "you are all wrong" rampage again.


Yes, "if". But newbies search Google and accept what they see in the first line, in the first page as fact.

my top results

Bitcoin Core :: Team
https://bitcoincore.org/en/team/
The Bitcoin Core project has a large open source developer community with many casual contributors to the codebase. There are many more who contribute ...

Development - Bitcoin - Bitcoin.org
https://bitcoin.org/en/development
Jump to Bitcoin Core contributors - non-github-bitcoin. (271). Gregory Maxwell. (265). fanquake. (243) .... lucash-dev. (5). ericshawlinux. (5). paraipan. (4).
‎Code Review · ‎Starter Projects

seems i get better google results than you..
.. might explain many things about your research compared to mine

Your point is?

My point was do the search, take a screenshot of what appears on the top screen, share it, and laugh.

On the serious side, it might be a cause for concern because that is what newbies see when they search for "Bitcoin Core developers" in Google. It also says "according to Wikipedia". Haha.
 

ahaha all of the list is really funny, because we know that a core developer or everyone who can be called as a bitcoin founding father is still anonymous until now. how google can be verify all of those random guy in the picture, and anyway im really curious who is the one in the satoshi nakamoto wannabe picture? how the creator imagine that satoshi nakamoto is older? hahaha

I use DuckduckGo, but I use Google as a supplement.

Although, the real problem is not us. We know who the Core developers are, and we know where the right sources of the information are. It's the newbies, they do not know anything when they come in, and they would be thinking that Roger Ver, Mark Karpeles, and Charlie Shrem are Core developers because it's what Google told them. Haha.

Does anyone know who contributes on the wiki on Bitcoin?

I think that all smart people before investing in any coin, including bitcoin, first good to learn information about it. Those who will not do it risks will then lose their money. Do not believe everything that say, you should always check everything and found the source of the news.

on a serious side
1. if you believe anything wrote on wiki then your a fool
2. if your getting "snippets" and taking them as factual, your a fool
3. if you just take whatever you read first as factual, then your a fool

no wonder you and your buddies are stuck in an echo chamber

try doing real research...

plus going into the social drama of commenting about my replies instead of doing something about google results. shows your just a drama queen.

might be worth you going to wiki and edit the page
might be worth you going the snippet and providing feedback.
and then learn how to do proper research instead of just looking at sponsored snippets and top results

But the newbies do believe, and will always believe because it's "Wikipedia".


::)

While you gaslight your way to win a debate, and spread the false information. But I hope the newbies do believe you, then find out for themselves the truth. The memefication. 8)


But who edits and maintains Bitcoin's Wikipedia? I hope no one like you.

It is and as I heard it is for their safety , as they have valuable information. So you are right, we probably will never know

The debate is very entertaining, but this should be a serious topic because beginners are definitely looking for data based on search engines and basically search engines work based on keywords, countries, trending topics, IP addresses and visit history. Even the original website will not appear when far from the keywords they get. You can try making junk writing that says Satoshi Nakamoto is the brother of Michael Jackson, then advertise and make viral marketing. Then the newcomer will believe the news, Lol ...

Search on google will always come up with a result. That is why we have forums like this and other cryptocurrency forums to ask questions and get clarification and answers from more senior members who have been around for quite sometimes.

typical reply..
boring reply thats just the same as your buddies replies years ago. when you lot cant rebut, you then shout out certain buzzwords that are known in your group. before it was 'ad-hom' then 2018 it was 'gaslighting'..
well its 2019. time to think of a new buzzword

anyway my point is this.
you get the results based on what you decide to search for and what you decide to notice/react to/ take as the answer.
this topic has been open for a week now. but have you tried to change anything?

also if your easily triggered by selective results presented to you without looking at the source to check its validity. then by you reacting and thinking its a big deal that top results that appear to you are wrong. then it might be a lesson to not just take the first answer you get as the truth. a lesson that research takes more time than just taking the first answer spoonfed to you

have you tried to correct anything?
google snippets have feedback
wiki has edits

Then can you say that what you are spreading about Bitcoin, the Core developers, the Lightning Network, and the rest of your twisted arguments is the "truth"? How can you say that? Most of them are wrong.

I respect you, but I don't know what your agenda is.

firstly, when i say something. i don some actual research and look at statistics and find different sources.
secondly you think what i say might be wrong not due to statistics/data. but due to echo chamber rants from a group of people

thirdly i dont hope you just believe me for the sake of believing me, even you know i have annoyed alot of people by asking them to do their own research, that includes you and your buddies.

its been months now. have you learned (without the buddy echo chamber) what:
consensus is. in regards to byzantine generals and why bitcoin/blockchain invention is so revolutionary and LN is devolved tech
LN factories. in regards to the "3rd party" / "middleman" you continue to deny but seem to not want to research/admit

but anyway. main point is do your own research beyond the base stuff first presented to you.. look beyond the base and look at where the source material is and the context

What made you believe that everything you say is "right"? I do not mean to offend you, but many of the things you post are simply wrong.


My buddies? Are you talking about the people in consensus? 8)


Are you referring to our debate about the Core developers? I believe you misapplied the Byzantine Generals Problem in that post.


That is your opinion, and therefore could be biased, and wrong.


What are you talking about? A "channel factory" is a feature that makes it more convenient to open and close payment channels in Lightning, done off-chain, without broadcasting on the blockchain.


I look at the data objectively. Do you?

Yes, it is strange that Google gives out such incorrect information. It will take some time, and those who don't know the history, generally forget how everything was in fact :(

all i say is to do your own research.
also read my footnote.
"Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience"

you sound too much like doomad. which is just empty rebuttals and implying i say things i dont actually say

try doing some independent research, and not think what you have learned from a certain buddy group you repeat stuff from is right.
its very telling your stuck in the repeat what your buddies say boring mythical crap of over promoting something you have yet to research yourself because even after months of giving you hints. stats and data. your rebuttals just become empty "wrong because wrong"
take some time to learn something not involving the certain group. exit your echo chamber of all your buddies thinking they are right because they all kiss each other and agree with each other simply because they only ever see and hear one story

you seem to not yet even know the depths of the byzantine generals problem to even know what your referring to. maybe when you learn the real stuff you will understand why blockchains are revolutionary and why everyone is so shocked and astonished at what satoshi solved in 2009. LN does not solve the byzantine generals problem.
there is no blockchain, no community audit. not strict rules that LN NODES have to adhere to strict community protocol.
LN is not revolutionary. its actually a step down from bitcoins/blockchain revolutionary problem solving.


do some independant research... for once.
bank accounts are just like LN channels. think about hubs as town/regional banks. think about how the funds flow through banking systems
LN is not the same 24/7 PUSH tx system as blockchains. LN is the 'is the 'bank' open and online to authorise payment.

blah blah blah you rebutt with the ignore the security concerns. the code issues, the limitations and flaws.. and just reply with promotional script of a over promised network.. as usual but you miss the point.
learn HOW they do it.. learn and research HOW and you will see the 'third party' you love to dismiss the existence of


i do. i dont just ask a few friends for a promoted glossy overview of over promises. i actually read the code, documentation. i even get information from the devs themselves.. i doubt you even watched the video of the devs calling out all the flaws even they admit they think cant/wont be fixed
..
now here is a question for you:
are you someone that actually wants to know how things actually work and know both the positives and negatives of something
or
are you someone that just wants to promote positives because your buddies think IF its a success in someway they are gonna get rich from it. thus you think maybe you can get profit following them

I research the facts, and not make up false interpretations. Plus if someone in the forum tries to debate with you, you suddenly treat them with hostility?

Why? You can't be right all the time.


I never "blindly promoted" Lightning in the forum, but I never posted "disfigured facts" on how it functions either.

Or maybe you didn't understand how it works, go do your research again.

On this topic, should be be concerned on the people who edits and maintains the "Bitcoin Core developers" page in Wikipedia?

It seems Google knows more than traders....  ;D

It's funny to see that. I hope no one believes in it, and always checks the information for truth.

its about the core developers.
and when you and your buddies poke the bear and all you get to say is "wrong because wrong" shows you need to do more research

oh and when i simplify it down to ELI-5 is not "disfigured facts" its called simplify things into non jargon, non bs
take jargon like "inflight upgrades" which mean upgrades without needing consensus. in reality thats a backdoor
take jargon like "wallet" which mean stores funds. but in reality a wallet.dat is a keyring analogy

what i find funny is how you and your buddies say the same stuff like a scripted echo chamber, but then all get upset when i say you need to research. so why do you and your buddies get upset whn being told to do some research

have you learned about multisig/factories/routers to denounce your own 'no third party' bs

Like simplifying the term "Lightning channels" to "promisory transaction mediums"? 8)

All transactions made in Lightning are in Bitcoins, there are no "promises to pay". There are no people owing other people some Bitcoins. The coins sent to them are real Bitcoins that can be broadcasted on-chain in whatever occasion they want.

Who are these guys at all? The first time I hear about them...
I wouldn't be surprised if after some time the first name disappears from this list. Is it just a mistake or deliberate misinformation? I don't think that at the level of Google they make such mistakes. There is something to think about....  ???

Can anyone try and search "Bitcoin Core developers" again? The "according to Wikipedia" misinformation with the images of not Bitcoin developers is gone for me, and the Wikipedia page was also edited. Less politics, more facts.

Getting ready for the next bull market? 8)