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Hello,
I write this post under light of good for the forum as whole.

I've created this second account because my first one was banned  and I can´t post anymore. This is the message that I received:

You have been permanently banned by a forum moderator, probably due to spam or plagiarism. You may appeal here, but your chances are not good: banappeals...@theymos.e4ward.com

(i will not post outside of this thread)

I would like to know the reason(s) of this ban and if it is possible to recover the account, since I´m moderating the DeepOnion ANN: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.0.

I hope to receive an answer from the mods, because the ANN is very important to keep our community updated with the latest news of our project.
If the ban for spam/plagiarism i don't make coin because of the signatures i accept a fair ban for removing the current signature for a period of time you will decide.

I will also check past posts (like this one) and remove those can be potential for plagiarism or spam. And accept to deliver a report of deleted posts to somebody if needed.  Furthermore i will update Ann thread and add special note to inform members about avoiding plagiarism and spam.

I believe DeepOnion ANN thread brings inspiration and new members to the bitcointalk forum. It is followed and liked by many. It should be maintained with care. And i can assure it will be maintained with good care for the future.

For this reason i ask for a 'fair' punishment

Thanks.

edit 1 (thanks Vod): the account deeperx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1038794
edit 2 (thanks tbct_mt2) a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective references
edit 3
I have always tried to delete the spam from the ANN thread, whenever I have got enough time. I have deleted more than 100 messages.

Why did you create a thread asking us without telling us what account?   

Sorry i forgot to add the account deeperx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1038794

You're not going to like this, but it appears that your very first post was plagiarized, even though the source is no longer online (using cached link):

Your post:


Original (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c0Ch-cYRDoAJ:mkt.otomas.co.id/hitbtc-decentralized/coinbtm-cold-wallet-antshares-paper-wallet/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ph):

Permanently band mostly come from plagiarism as most of ban appeal topics ended with proof of plagiarism.
Permanently banns use to spam, it sound really strange.
In my time in the forum, I have not seen perma bans due to spam.

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@nutildah found it, but can you tell me how you find it fastly?
Did you use software to find plagiarism, didn't you?

I think @Lauda has given you a negative tag before you were banned and has answered your error, copy / paste in the DeepOnion project.

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Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) ( Referece (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096277) ) = DeepOnion is a copy/paste project with a massive amount of shills. This user will censor any mention of this, which makes his behavior and project even shadier than it already is. 
Read the reference link for more information.
More ratings and information can be found on the original account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080. 
User has created this account to avoid their negative trust. Avoid this scam project.

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Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1038794

In my opinion you are banned based on the results above.

No, I just looked at his first page of posts and saw they were all about Deep Onion. Skipped to a middle one, all about Deep Onion. So I went to the beginning of his comments and finally found one not about that project. I copy/pasted the first sentence in Google with quotes around it, saw that the link was redirected to some spam b.s., then saw there was a cached version of the article.

Thank you for your time. Nice view point.
It does not make sense as said the post was from 2017, i don't think this can be reason to perma ban any user, mistakes can be done when told or warned it could be removed  easy or post can be edited so it become more useful for the thread readers. I totally agree creating original content is important. In this account i will create original contents.

Deep Vault,
The admin strongly stated that years after plagisrisms made, if someone found them, plagiarizers will get perma bans, immediately when proof of their plagiarisms found, or reported to admin or forum moderators.
It's one of the strictest rules and punishments in the forum, as I known.
Who knows original post of theymos , please post it here.
Thank you.

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I found something for you, but I don't think that is helpful for your case. And, I doubt that you have to be in jail forever.

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You might have interest to ask for a 'fair' punishment, two-year ban of signature as mentioned there.it is a too long period, but finally you can come back.

I understand, thank you for info. I can agree plagiarists those making money or coin from posts or crypto not good for the forum. But i just want to maintain our Ann thread. I can go back and remove initial posts have potentials for the issue or create original contents. If chance given i will be policing for it. Majority of the posts deeperx is original helping still and i believe useful for members of bitcointalk as majority.

edit thanks for a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective references

They do get perma bans too, but i think it's after warning of temp bans.
Some get directly nuked and the account goes to a brand-new status, and it's hard to tell because you won't know whether the account had been created and never posted or it had initially posted before getting nuked.

Three times of temp bans, then perma bans for the last time of violation.
I will give you link later to original post.

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First time, one week in jail.
Second time, two weeks in jail.
Their time, one month in jail.
And, fourth time, forever in jail.
Not sure, it comes from my memory.

Honestly, I don't think what OP adds to the forum--an ANN thread for a typical ICO project--justifies reversing a permaban for plagiarism.  Not only that, but it reflects very poorly on the project that the thread starter is dishonest enough to steal someone else's words and pass them off as his own.  And somehow I doubt Theymos will have any sympathy for this, but who knows. 

IMO, the "more good than harm" exception should be made only in rare circumstances, and by rare I mean probably 1/250 cases deserve a second chance.  There's something very simple and fundamental about not copy/pasting stuff from other sources and taking credit for it that people who do it almost without exception should not be members of bitcointalk.  Most of the time, it's sig spammers who can't speak English who get caught doing this shit, and obviously OP doesn't fit that description, but I don't think he should be unbanned.

Copy/paste is never encouraged in any place. OP did it but one point mentioned by The Pharmacist, all the copy/paste are done by signature spammers, for making money while OP had never participated in a paid signature campaign. So, it was a try to help people, no other intention was there. Therefore, I think OP deserves a 2nd chance here and should be unbanned.

I think it's not like that. If someone does heavy spamming, s/he will/should be banned ASAP. On the other hands, for simple spam, 1 week or whatever.

Also plagiarism.

Your post:


Original: (https://medium.com/@senchenko.mail/great-project-with-great-possibilities-i-am-happy-to-participate-in-my-opinion-this-project-are-3bb34aa5cc44)


This low-level spam has been copied and pasted about 160 times according to Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Great+project+with+great+possibilities+I+am+happy+to+participate%22&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS722US723&ei=m02OXPPnK5aLr7wPqcCSqAg&start=0&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwizodX9pYnhAhWWxYsBHSmgBIU4FBDy0wMIOw&biw=1280&bih=610).

You have to remember that any post that falls under plagiarism would get you an insta-ban. Doesn't matter if your account managed to survive for X years, just one find is all it takes.

just for me to understand the whole situation regarding plagiarizm of it, a small question:

what if the post from deeperx was posted way before anything else on the internet, therefore, his post got plagiarizes by others?

wouldnt that be a possibility? is there any proof provided with a timestamp when it was posted?

I just have checked the current version of the article. This has nothing related to cold wallet and paper wallet, only the url is about cold wallet and paper wallet.

The title of the current (https://web.archive.org/save/http://mkt.otomas.co.id/hitbtc-decentralized/coinbtm-cold-wallet-antshares-paper-wallet/) version's article is- How a Single Mom Makes Rs. 240,000 Per Month in Her Spare Time Trading Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency (http://mkt.otomas.co.id/hitbtc-decentralized/coinbtm-cold-wallet-antshares-paper-wallet/)

Edit- I can't access the cached link anymore.

Is someone else also having the same problem?
It's okay now.

Since you mentioned Lauda, I'd like you to read this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2066778.msg20630476#msg20630476

DeepOnion is a coin with many new features. Talking about copy-paste coins, you look at 95% or more of those announced in altcoin forum...

That's a fair question -- I looked at the source of the cached content and sure enough, it was from September 2017, after the post was written. It also appears to be just a random collection of snippets of articles and comments...

I have to retract my statement and admit that particular comment doesn't appear to be plagiarized.

There might have been plagiarism in a different comment, however -- somebody else will have to continue the hunt.

Thank you those replied to the thread.

DeepOnion brought extra value to  the bitcointalk community, airdropped 10 million ONION https://deeponion.org/airdropslog.php (logs can be seen here)
DeepOnion community created so far 5000+ original posts and DeepOnion have one of most friendly and supportive community out there.  And we would like to continue doing so.

I will maintain with extra care in the future to avoid spam and plagiarism in ANN thread.  Sorry if i created a trouble especially the last post of deeperx seem little vague or no value, but we are all human and we can err.

When ban lifted we will good care and check all posts as whole DeepOnion mod team

thanks again. I just want best for the bitcoin community.

Yes, but why did @Lauda not delete, the negative tag he gave to @deeperx, if he was innocent. On the basis of copy / paste.
So other people are easier to judge on what basis @deeperx is banned, here all say they copy / paste projects (DeepOnion).

On the other hand say like you say:


In other versions say copy / paste the project (DeepOnion).

afaik, lauda got kicked out as an bitcointalk mod after he gave the negtag. i dont know, if an kicked out mods given trust tags is automatically deleted by bct? i guess, not.

@nutildah
thx for answering :)

I think you should study the case a little bit more before jumping in to offer your opinion, which is welcome if you understand all the facts. First of all, DeepOnion is not an ICO project, no one was asked to give money with only a promise of a coin with some future value and/or a future project. Instead, DeepOnion successfully completed a 40-week airdrop during which the developers distributed a lot of coins. I'd say more about how the DeepOnion team has created many interesting features but I can tell when someone's not interested so I won't get into more details.

Second, the DeepOnion ANN thread page number is in the thousands. I believe that for that reason alone it should be in the interest of the moderators here to re-examine the case of the OP. Let's face it, it's more important to try to keep a thousand-page thread tidy than be honestly concerned about one allegedly plagiarized phrase from a website that was set up in such a way which truly makes me doubt about how OP could possibly find this phrase and copy it from there.

Also, I don't see any proof in which OP tried to pass off these words as his own, he doesn't claim anything of the sort in the allegedly plagiarized post.

I think that in a forum where racial, religious and sexual biases are often ignored, trivialized and sometimes even condoned and encouraged, this is an unjustifiably harsh stance against the OP, and anyone who has ever been in his position. It makes no sense how a single post can essentially erase the contribution of the OP to helping the members of bitcointalk first, and obviously, members of the DeepOnion community second to navigate through the world of cryptocurrency. I believe that a moderator should take such things into account before choosing the road of harsh punishment.

Please kindly fuck off. This is not a thread to shill your shitcoin. The OP plagiarized and got banned, end of story. DeepOnion shills are a dime a dozen, I'm sure you'll find someone else to take OP's place.

If I were you I'd avoid bringing up the tidiness of DeepOnion's "thousand-page thread", which has lots of plagiarism too. You have no leg to stand on when you're allowing that bullshit to bump your thread when it suits you but then whine about a "harsh" ban.

All of the above falls under 'free speech' and has nothing whatsoever to do with plagiarism, which is against the rules.  And while you're correct on the point that I don't know much about this particular project, it's hard for me to see how rewarding a bunch of bounty-hunting shitposters is beneficial to the forum, and I stick by my opinion that this all reflects badly on not only OP, but the project itself.

I did a brief review of some of the more recent posts by the OPs banned account as well as reviewed a few posts following his in the Deep Onion thread. The OP posted twice in a row, which is thread bumping technique that is not allowed, on more than one occasion. These posts are just since the beginning of the month. It appears that other community members also posted more than once in a row. I suspect that if I dig deeper into the OPs posts, I may discover other thread bumping techniques that are used. I'm not going to do a full review because I'm not going to provide a free service to help the OP and the Deep Onion team improve their thread bumping techniques. Although multipost bumping usually doesn't earn a permaban, continued infractions certainly can.

According to coinmarketcap (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/deeponion/) your altcoin ranks at 448, and has a market cap of only $4.1MM.

Your thread has ~1800 pages of posts, while the ANN thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=428589.0) for etherum has ~1150 pages, but etherum is much more well known, and there are dozens, if not hundreds (if not thousands) of projects built on top of etherum. I am not sure how this can be accounted for except for shilling, which is certainly not something good for the forum.

With the above being said, I don't support banning people for plagiarism that happened a long time ago, and in only "small" amounts, when they are otherwise not breaking any rules. There isn't any other rule in which no warnings are given (perhaps no warning is necessary in most cases, but maybe a 60 day ban would be more appropriate as a final warning would be more appropriate if someone is caught plagiarizing, when a high ranking account is involved). It doesn't seem right to me to be removing people from the forum willy-nilly who are currently contributing to the forum. 

With the above being said, there is an argument you should be banned for bump spam. This obviously relies on the speculation that you have many shills supporting your altcoin.   

Thank you once again all for replies.  It is nice to see different view points.
DeepOnion made 40 weeks airdrop (one of longest airdrop of all times) during the airdrops and after that i keep updated our community in every affairs.
This is a rare find approach and believe helpful for many. We were respectful other coins and ANN threads.
We will continue being so. I hope we have some tolerance after all we are a team working for the same goal as all crypto currency teams.

 

I missed the count of spammers I saw using your signature to spam the shit off the forum and earn pennies with it. If that's what you call "respectful",  please DON'T continue.

so.. banned on a FALSE personal opinion from Lauda, who has been after DO for some time.

I dont believe it. Surely this forum is not as so unprofessional that  Mod can ban based on an opinion of a coin? Im sure the FUD deeponion thread has been proven wrong what 100x over?

nah, must be another reason...

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EDIT. too much winning lately perhaps....... no surprises here...

http://i63.tinypic.com/xepee8.jpg

No, this forum does not ban accounts based on a negative trust comment. Otherwise, there would be quite a few regular posters here that would have been banned long ago. Also, Lauda's comment is about Deep Onion being a copy/paste coin. Maintaining an ann thread for a "copy paste" coin is not bannable. Perhaps the OP should contact mprep (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51173) or Welsh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=84521) to see if either can shed any light on the specific reason for the ban.

Deep Onion has run its weekly airdrops for months, and I doubt that they violated forum rules on spamming.
Developers did not spam, but somehow encouraged (or at least forum mods thought developers encouraged) spammers.
The figures on total pages of Deep Onion's and Ethereum's topics you shown make sense.
It is probably the potential reasons for the ban of your account, but I am not sure.
You should make direct contact with mods to get exactly reasons for your case.

Linking coin market cap and thread size is just ridiculous to me. People post on threads based on interests, not necessarily the market size which often inflated by "investors" and "bumpers". There's no clear evidence showing the deepOnion thread being bumped artificially. I for one with this coin for long time, know that there are always interests in the coin as it is successfully completed 40 rounds of unbiased distribution, so there are a lot holders of this coin.

I've been with DeepOnion for a while now and they are doing far better compared to many scams and useless projects running around freely while the honest, transparent and authentic Deeperx gets banned for a reason which is yet uncertain.

All the merit in the world won't matter because in the end haters will hate. I have to admit that at some point the spam was too much but that was fixed a long time ago after new strict rules for the community. Also, getting frustrated with shills at this point is useless because everyone will shill their favorite coin, it's the responsibility of each individual to do their research and decide on their own.

Deep Onion team created new account, signed a message there:
Then, created a new ann topic there:
[ANN] DeepOnion Private Digital Currency DeepVault App Released - New Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122577.0)
So, it is time for the OP to lock the topic to avoid spam.

then this thread, the initial first ANN, should be locked as well by the mods, since crypto-rainbow got banned too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2006010

A team has many devs, why do you think it is the same who created the account? The lead dev has been with the forum for long time. You find many his posts in the threads before.

You make too naive assumptions, or not naive but intentional.

That's for sure, another reason someone is banned, but you know one of the main mistakes on the account is forbidden to copy / paste, sell Merit, etc.
Why I say that, I take one point based on the @Lauda tag.

Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) DeepOnion is a copy/paste project with a massive amount of shills.

Yes, I did not say that he was banned based on the Negative Lauda tag, there he mentioned this.

Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) DeepOnion is a copy/paste project with a massive amount of shills.

From this article one conclusion can be drawn that @deeperx is prohibited based on copy / paste.
Not because of the red tag.

Edit: before @deeperx was banned @Lauda already said that @deeperx copy / paste. This is my point.

DeepOnion is a project with unique features among the cryptospace and is definitely contributing to the space as a whole.
Take deepvault technology for example, no other project has that.

I just think that many participants of this thread deviate from the original topic to state their opinions (if they like the project or not, if they think it's spammy or not).

What I see is an unjustified ban for a minor post that happened 2 years ago.
what's the point of making this ban now?

I never heard about Lauda before but it seems them also have a bias against DeepOnion...
maybe this kinda of permaban decision should go through a small council of 3 members at least or have a user based judgement process

Your answer has already been provided:



The decision to ban has nothing to do with Lauda's tag, but I do agree with you that more established accounts that get banned should have some sort of extra review process, which is what we are doing here, I suppose. You will need to appeal to a global moderator or theymos for further explanation.

You are confusing everybody here. Lauda tag is for the project developers who were hiding the information that they copy pasted their coin code. (It has nothing to do with forum , how the developers are creating their coins. Nor do forum ban user because they created  the coin/token)

Deeperx is banned in this forum for breaking the forum rules (whatever it is) . Deeperx is not at  all banned for creating a coin.

I do not understand how "Deep Onion" has find its place in this ban appeal.

What are you trying to say? Your statements are really confusing, don't use "copy/paste" again and again.

Summarizing the whole story in just two points.

1. Lauda tagged deeperx because of Deeponion project.

2. And deeperx was banned because of plagiarism not because of red trust given by Lauda, and that's the end of story.

Don't extend your argument unnecessarily.