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Hi guys,

I was perma-ban today, and I want to know my offense. I don't want to jump off the bridge without knowing the answer.

Username: cybersofts
Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=896499;sa=summary


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I normally come here to have fun and share ideas with different people around the world about what we all love which is bitcoin. All I do here is post my articles, make some comments and also share relevant articles from external sites with reference URLs.

Everyone knows me here because I like sharing my thoughts, ideas, and feelings about the cryptocurrency market. Check all posts and see how people are happily commenting because they're having solid conversations. Tell me, what more do you like better than that, huh?

At least I want to know my offense before my final breath. thanks :)

In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.

If those images are going to be considered instances of plagiarism, then that's pretty ridiculous.

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We have these, though:

Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #896499
Remove topic: Electrum balance drops to 0 BTC in topic #5136237 by member #2589009

Delete reply: Re: I know who Satoshi Nakamoto is in topic #5118566 by member #896499

Delete reply: Re: I'm little bit confused about Yobit Campaign, I need an advice. in topic #5135007 by member #896499

hmm remind me again, who does actually draw their own images before posting them here?  that's for sure not it.

OP, i see you have a habit of not using quotation but rather including the source at the bottom (i see nothing wrong with that) but maybe you forgot to paste the link on some of your posts/topics?

How dare you question it? I'd rather have you hanged for that.

I have not spent my time to investigate the case of perm-banned OP, because I don't have too much time and enough skills to do this.
However, publishing snapshotted images without permissions from owners of those photos, or sites won't lead to plagiarism, at least in the forum.
Admin raised his opinion in another topic there.
It is obviously that members should leave source link to sites or places where you get those images for their posts or topics, but without links, they won't be judged as plagiarism in the forum, so far.

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I could be wrong, but mostly perm-bans come from plagiarism, so the OP case probably due to plagiarism (content plagiarism, not photo plagiarism).

God, I created all these topics by myself, Why do I have to put an external links, huh? In fact, links from where?

For those that are saying image plagiarism, why is that? I never heard of that on this forum. Did anyone here ever penalize for that? Post something important please, stop posting irrelevant replies.


Sorry, those replies were deleted by the mods not by me. I'm always trying to have a solid, honest, and positive conversations here and I believe that's the exact purpose of the forum.

If that's the case then I made a mistake. Sometimes we make mistakes and that makes me a human being after all. If that's the case I apologize for my mistake.

Why is that? I know the meta section is full of politics but I'm always trying to stay away from that because I'm not a politician, I'm more like a "realist" myself.

Well, I don't know myself what exactly is the case at the moment maybe later the "hilarious" will respond with the answer.

I think we're one big family, we're not always happy though but at least we're all gathered here with same passion.

Just Curious OP, Did you put the Yobit Signature ? There is mass banning of the people from Yobit campaign but do not think that ban was permanent.

If he was banned for that, it would be total nonsense. It's just a screenshot, not plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, probably half of forum members should be banned, because most of us have uploaded some screenshots to Bitcointalk. Plagiarims would be when someone upload things like stock photos without legaly obtaining it. How about posting memes without putting credits of creator - is it also plagiarism?
I think OP ban isn't related to that post. As guy above said, maybe it's possible that he was in Yobit sig campaign, one of his posts was reported and deleted and he got 60 days ban.

No. I did not wear the Yobit campaign. It was a mess of course. My case was perma-ban not a 2 weeks ban.

No. I don't participate in Yobit campaign at all, I was actually wearing the Veil signature campaign.

I think some mod perma-ban you for both, spam&plagiarism, but for the final confirmation you will have to wait that mod who ban you post here. What can easily be noticed if we look at your post history is that many of your posts are just in form of news (copy / pasted) but with reference link.

I notice this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134061.msg50689177#msg50689177 which is without any reference link, but it is connected with this source : https://blog.bitmain.com/en/tag/antminer/

This post does not look like classic plagiarism, but you probably use it as source and just mix words from article. I am not saying your ban is because of that, or that I report your post, but only cite it as a possible example how your post habits cost you perma-ban.

It is also possible that ban is result of some old post, you probably notice some users are banned for posts they made 2-3 years ago.

That post should not be considered plagiarism. The act of listing the general specification and prices is dissimilar to using other people's statements that you adopt as your own.

This could be the reason for your permanent ban.

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You have copied the exact text from Wikipedia without including a source here.

COPIED:


FROM:

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation


Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environment

That could be it, but I think it could also be for spam.

@OP, You have a habit of copying articles and posting them, and then adding the ref link at the bottom of your post.  In those cases you don't add any original content, not even a brief introduction to the subject.  These could be considered low-value uninteresting posts, which are against the rules.  

Here are some examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135817.msg50761071#msg50761071
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135812.msg50760923#msg50760923
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5128648.msg50478487#msg50478487

I also would not also mark that post as plagiarism, but I just want to show that too much posting in that way in the end may lead user in problem. We do not know what is exact reason for perma-ban, but user hacker1001101001 has found something that could be the main reason for this perma-ban.

If we look at date of this post (26. April, 2017) then it is exactly two years from posting to perma-ban. Someone obviously has enough time to to review old posts and report users who have done something against the rules.

Bans for spam would not have a reason that dictates they were banned for plagiarism.

It would be something along the lines of "Insubstantial post quality"

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That is almost assuredly the cause of the ban (a post closely resembling the highlighted post). There have been past cases of plagiarism bans given out for similar situations.

I could be wrong, but I believe there's only one automated ban notification for both possibilities, spam or plagiarism.  Also, the OP mentioned both in the title of the thread.  I've never seen the warning with my own eyes, but here's a quote someone posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103386.msg49472398#msg49472398):


I agree that hacker1001101001 found the most likely reason.

It's odd though, cybersofts was usually careful to add a source to his copy-pasta, this could have been an oversight.  Considering the quality of the accounts posts, however I would be surprised if this ban was overturned. 

I think the OP had know it would be coming since he suspected that he was banned from either spam or plagiarism which looks like the case. I think cybersoft's posting style where he just gets images as well as the specs and even text without any kind of references made him unknowingly do plagiarism, he might not be aware of his actions though that is why he is asking for what happened actually.

No. I got the notification on the top of my forum profile. I don't think I broke any forum rule in all my actions. I just got burned without any good proper reason. Pointing out the posts I made 2 years ago when I was a "newbies" is pointless. It's just a blackmail, if not how could you questioned me for what I did 2 years ago? BTW, I made countless contributions to the forum but you guys now turn a blind eye trying to bury me alive. If I was doing something wrong at least you should warn me, the parma-ban is just unfair. I'm not some kind of criminal for God's sake!

By the way, I have a question?
Is posting relevant articles from external sites with reference URLs against the forum rules? Yes or no?

The way I see it, someone is trying to bury me before my time. Let's be frank!

you did exactly that, you can't copy-paste without mentioning the source.
 

I tend to agree to this, if that is the only mistake you made, then permaban is a bit too much IMO


it is not against the rules , as long as you post the reference, in all world standards that does not count as plagiarism.


yes very possible, someone must have done a lot of digging to get to that point, but i suggest you keep your cool here, non of the admins replied, all of us here are normal members with 0 power, so staying cool and polite + being sorry for the mistake you did + promising not to do it again is probably the best you can do.

Rule was existing 2 year back also. If you are not caught at that time it does not make you innocent.
Think if you were banned as newbie then you have nothing to show that you have any  "net positive" to the forum.
It is not the blackmail but you can ask for forgiveness.


It is low quality post and forum rules prohibits you to do so. Forum want yours words and discussion and we are not looking for a post that is copied with reference link. If you having nothing to add and discuss on that external site article then you should not post them. (though adding link will not get you banned.)

You can use external site link if it is relevant to your original answer, give some facts to your answer or increase the weight of your answer.

We all get better and smarter by growing old. What I mean here is the version of me today is different from the version I was 2 years ago. By the way, posting relevant articles from external sites was not all I did, is it? I posted some good quality contents too in the past. The reason why I like sharing trending contents (hot topics) from external sites is because I want to see people reactions and what they actually think about it.

Example: BitFinex vs. Tether issues now, it's a hot topic (the most trending) and if you look around you might see almost zero discussions about it. This is the biggest crypto community in the world and how could nobody is talking about the latest news, what's happening in the cryptocurrency ecosystem?

But if nobody likes sharing the latest updates/articles about the cryptocurrency, even if it's not against the forum rules it's totally fine with me. I believe some people are using that as an evidence to destroy my reputation here. Well, from now on it's over. It's better to write only what's in head.

You are burned same as all others members that someone reported for plagiarism, regardless of whether it is your first or the last post on this forum. There is no warning for such a violation of the forum rules, and I believe this is so because it would be just an extra job for moderators / admins in a way they would need to send warnings and check who is broke rule for first time, and who is do that for second or third time.

As I say before, someone is checking users post history back a few years ago and report users, who are then punished according to the rules of the forum. I think the chances for the return of your account are very small, just look how much support this user is get from his community and there is no reaction to that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5097792.0

So, what are you suggesting now? Give up the account now or what? I don't think your post is helpful, man.

Perhaps, you are right. Now it's time to say goodbye.

You created your account in September 2016, and the post in question was made in April 2017, so you were here for over 6 months. Although it doesn't look like you posted until February 2017, so you were actively posting for at least two months when you made the post in question. I don't think that qualifies you for "newbie" status.

You do have some merit, which you could use to argue your cause.

It does appear you created your post from two sources, which arguably was a way to help conceal the plagiarism.

You can argue that your contributions are great enough so that you should receive a temp ban, and a multiyear signature ban after that. I don't know you well enough to forum an opinion one way or another that you should receive a temp ban.   

You in any case have the right to try to return your account, I just wanted to show you how difficult it is to turn this situation to your advantage. You are not the only member of the forum who found himself in this situation, and I'm not sure anyone has succeeded to get back banned account. If you get your account back, dozens of banned users would ask same thing, and this is not something what the admins / mods wants.

I am sorry that my post was not helpful, this is not easy time for you. If you think that there is any chance to get account back I wish you luck with that.

That's the thread that was reported and what you were probably banned for.

Obvious sarcasm on the poster's part but I guess you missed it.

When was the report? Any proof for the date?

Is it that an odd to use something that was made 2017 against me now? I know I made some mistakes way back but it's unfair to use that now after almost 2 years. why now? Isn't that a blackmail?

I've done so many great things on this forum over the years that should be enough to make it even, I don't believe what I did 2 years ago should be used to destroy my reputation now. I think someone very powerful is behind this.

I thought BitcoinTalk is a land of dreams, instead it's turning into something else.

The fact that you plagiarized has already been proved to you, so why do you need a date?
Date of the report does not matter now.

Because, you committed a crime period. Crime never dies. I does not matter which year you get caught.

Do you even know what blackmail is?

"Blackmail is an act of coercion using the threat of revealing or publicizing either substantially true or false, and often damaging, information about a person, to the public, family members, or associates unless certain demands are met. It may involve using threats of physical, mental or emotional harm, or of criminal prosecution, against the victim or someone close to the victim"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail

It was a mistake not something intentional. The only forum on Earth where junior members doesn't respect their seniors. At least I left BitcoinTalk a senior member with over 280 merits which you can never reach that for your entire life.

I moved on. I'm finally free from all miseries of merits, post counts, hilarious, and theymos today, theymos tomorrow. As I said, I moved on :)

I don't know the date. You'd have to ask an admin about that. Contact them and see if they'll change it to a sig ban instead which is sometimes given.

Well the date of report is not important. Important in my opinion is that this post was made almost 2 years ago. I understand your frustration. As hilariousandco said You should msg to theymos. Put there your apologies and explain how you have changed since those 2 years and why such an issue won't happened again ... maybe suggest that you will review all your posts and delete all shady once.


Actually it does matter. Even if you will kill a person after 30 years you can't be punished for that (at least in my country - Poland). 5 years is enough for low harmful crimes.

I have read threads on this forum where people have ranked from newbie to hero. They have moved from 0 merits to 500+ merits.
Reaching 280 merits would definitely not take a lifetime.

I understand you are frustrated. Moving on is a good thing but one must not let it change a person's character. Be good to others as you were.
I wish you become one of the zero to hero guys  :)

Lolz.  You've only earned 34 merit, you were airdropped 250.  Bitcoin_Arena was airdropped only 10 merit, and has earned nearly 3 x as many merit as you have. 



That's a good attitude to have.  Admin may take it easy on you, best of luck.

Last but not least it could be do with Veil forum advertising (posting about veil) shill campaign, although it's not as bad as other users. Kind of surprised this isn't the case after seeing the profile to be honest. PS - I don't mean signature campaign.

If reasons for a ban are made obvious as in included in the ban message, it going save mods some time from further clarifications

What do you mean? It's a binary choice and an easy decision at that: if you are not spamming, then you were banned for plagiarism.
If you were banned for spamming, then it would be clearly shown in your posts -- the threshold for a ban for the reason of spam is ridiculously high.
If there is some gray area, then you either:
A) created a huge number of insubstantial posts = bad
B) plagiarized content for the purpose of increasing post count = bad

Pick your poison.

Wating for.this plagiarized post and so this is now a proof contradicting OP's claim.about not doing copy and pasting post. So now, it is bright as tge daylight that OP did plagiarized post.

Anyway, this is always I have thought in my mind that admin were really accurate in banning users. This is why O never saw a ban account being lifted after it was prove that the user is not plagiarizing post/s.