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April 27, 2019, 12:08:08 AM
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Hi guys,

I was perma-ban today, and I want to know my offense. I don't want to jump off the bridge without knowing the answer.

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At least I want to know my offense before my final breath. thanks Smiley
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April 27, 2019, 12:26:54 AM
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In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.

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April 27, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
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In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.
If those images are going to be considered instances of plagiarism, then that's pretty ridiculous.
We have these, though:

Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #896499
Remove topic: Electrum balance drops to 0 BTC in topic #5136237 by member #2589009

Delete reply: Re: I know who Satoshi Nakamoto is in topic #5118566 by member #896499

Delete reply: Re: I'm little bit confused about Yobit Campaign, I need an advice. in topic #5135007 by member #896499

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April 27, 2019, 02:14:55 AM
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You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.

hmm remind me again, who does actually draw their own images before posting them here?  that's for sure not it.

OP, i see you have a habit of not using quotation but rather including the source at the bottom (i see nothing wrong with that) but maybe you forgot to paste the link on some of your posts/topics?

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How dare you question it? I'd rather have you hanged for that.
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April 27, 2019, 05:05:10 AM
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I have not spent my time to investigate the case of perm-banned OP, because I don't have too much time and enough skills to do this.
However, publishing snapshotted images without permissions from owners of those photos, or sites won't lead to plagiarism, at least in the forum.
Admin raised his opinion in another topic there.
- That's not plagiarism.
 - If there is dox outside of the investigations section, report it with that as the reason.
 - If someone is threatening violence against you, report it with that as the reason.
 - If you have a copyright claim, you have to PM/email me a valid DCMA takedown notice with all required elements, including your address, a declaration under penalty of perjury, etc. Note that I will forward your notice to the affected users.
 - The forum is not under EU jurisdiction.
It is obviously that members should leave source link to sites or places where you get those images for their posts or topics, but without links, they won't be judged as plagiarism in the forum, so far.

I could be wrong, but mostly perm-bans come from plagiarism, so the OP case probably due to plagiarism (content plagiarism, not photo plagiarism).
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April 27, 2019, 08:32:44 AM
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In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.
God, I created all these topics by myself, Why do I have to put an external links, huh? In fact, links from where?

For those that are saying image plagiarism, why is that? I never heard of that on this forum. Did anyone here ever penalize for that? Post something important please, stop posting irrelevant replies.

In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.
If those images are going to be considered instances of plagiarism, then that's pretty ridiculous.
We have these, though:

Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #896499
Remove topic: Electrum balance drops to 0 BTC in topic #5136237 by member #2589009

Delete reply: Re: I know who Satoshi Nakamoto is in topic #5118566 by member #896499

Delete reply: Re: I'm little bit confused about Yobit Campaign, I need an advice. in topic #5135007 by member #896499

Sorry, those replies were deleted by the mods not by me. I'm always trying to have a solid, honest, and positive conversations here and I believe that's the exact purpose of the forum.

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.

hmm remind me again, who does actually draw their own images before posting them here?  that's for sure not it.

OP, i see you have a habit of not using quotation but rather including the source at the bottom (i see nothing wrong with that) but maybe you forgot to paste the link on some of your posts/topics?
If that's the case then I made a mistake. Sometimes we make mistakes and that makes me a human being after all. If that's the case I apologize for my mistake.

How dare you question it? I'd rather have you hanged for that.
Why is that? I know the meta section is full of politics but I'm always trying to stay away from that because I'm not a politician, I'm more like a "realist" myself.

I have not spent my time to investigate the case of perm-banned OP, because I don't have too much time and enough skills to do this.
However, publishing snapshotted images without permissions from owners of those photos, or sites won't lead to plagiarism, at least in the forum.
Admin raised his opinion in another topic there.
- That's not plagiarism.
 - If there is dox outside of the investigations section, report it with that as the reason.
 - If someone is threatening violence against you, report it with that as the reason.
 - If you have a copyright claim, you have to PM/email me a valid DCMA takedown notice with all required elements, including your address, a declaration under penalty of perjury, etc. Note that I will forward your notice to the affected users.
 - The forum is not under EU jurisdiction.
It is obviously that members should leave source link to sites or places where you get those images for their posts or topics, but without links, they won't be judged as plagiarism in the forum, so far.

I could be wrong, but mostly perm-bans come from plagiarism, so the OP case probably due to plagiarism (content plagiarism, not photo plagiarism).
Well, I don't know myself what exactly is the case at the moment maybe later the "hilarious" will respond with the answer.

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April 27, 2019, 11:32:33 AM
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Just Curious OP, Did you put the Yobit Signature ? There is mass banning of the people from Yobit campaign but do not think that ban was permanent.

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April 27, 2019, 11:42:51 AM
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In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.
If he was banned for that, it would be total nonsense. It's just a screenshot, not plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, probably half of forum members should be banned, because most of us have uploaded some screenshots to Bitcointalk. Plagiarims would be when someone upload things like stock photos without legaly obtaining it. How about posting memes without putting credits of creator - is it also plagiarism?
I think OP ban isn't related to that post. As guy above said, maybe it's possible that he was in Yobit sig campaign, one of his posts was reported and deleted and he got 60 days ban.




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April 27, 2019, 12:33:41 PM
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Just Curious OP, Did you put the Yobit Signature ? There is mass banning of the people from Yobit campaign but do not think that ban was permanent.
No. I did not wear the Yobit campaign. It was a mess of course. My case was perma-ban not a 2 weeks ban.

In my opinion, I think you have made some posts that you didn't put a reference just like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135186.msg50737290#msg50737290

and this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135181.msg50736897#msg50736897

You got the image from the known crypto site you should put all the credit to them. or there should be another reason lets wait for others to search your post history.
If he was banned for that, it would be total nonsense. It's just a screenshot, not plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, probably half of forum members should be banned, because most of us have uploaded some screenshots to Bitcointalk. Plagiarims would be when someone upload things like stock photos without legaly obtaining it. How about posting memes without putting credits of creator - is it also plagiarism?
I think OP ban isn't related to that post. As guy above said, maybe it's possible that he was in Yobit sig campaign, one of his posts was reported and deleted and he got 60 days ban.
No. I don't participate in Yobit campaign at all, I was actually wearing the Veil signature campaign.
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April 27, 2019, 12:52:29 PM
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I think some mod perma-ban you for both, spam&plagiarism, but for the final confirmation you will have to wait that mod who ban you post here. What can easily be noticed if we look at your post history is that many of your posts are just in form of news (copy / pasted) but with reference link.

I notice this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134061.msg50689177#msg50689177 which is without any reference link, but it is connected with this source : https://blog.bitmain.com/en/tag/antminer/

This post does not look like classic plagiarism, but you probably use it as source and just mix words from article. I am not saying your ban is because of that, or that I report your post, but only cite it as a possible example how your post habits cost you perma-ban.

It is also possible that ban is result of some old post, you probably notice some users are banned for posts they made 2-3 years ago.

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I notice this post : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134061.msg50689177#msg50689177 which is without any reference link, but it is connected with this source : https://blog.bitmain.com/en/tag/antminer/
That post should not be considered plagiarism. The act of listing the general specification and prices is dissimilar to using other people's statements that you adopt as your own.

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This could be the reason for your permanent ban.


You have copied the exact text from Wikipedia without including a source here.

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Why do we need kids? This planet is getting over populated already!

Most contemporary estimates for the carrying capacity of the Earth under existing conditions are between 4 billion and 16 billion. Depending on which estimate is used, human overpopulation may or may not have already occurred. Nevertheless, the rapid recent increase in human population is causing some concern.

David Attenborough described the level of human population on the planet as a multiplier of all other environmental problems In 2013, he described humanity as "a plague on the Earth" that needs to be controlled by limiting population growth.

“ Overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet. Albert Einstein – physicist 1879 – 1955 ”

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Most contemporary estimates for the carrying capacity of the Earth under existing conditions are between 4 billion and 16 billion. Depending on which estimate is used, human overpopulation may or may not have already occurred. Nevertheless, the rapid recent increase in human population is causing some concern.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation

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David Attenborough described the level of human population on the planet as a multiplier of all other environmental problems.[20] In 2013, he described humanity as "a plague on the Earth" that needs to be controlled by limiting population growth

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environment
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This could be the reason for your permanent ban.
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That could be it, but I think it could also be for spam.

@OP, You have a habit of copying articles and posting them, and then adding the ref link at the bottom of your post.  In those cases you don't add any original content, not even a brief introduction to the subject.  These could be considered low-value uninteresting posts, which are against the rules.  

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135817.msg50761071#msg50761071
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5135812.msg50760923#msg50760923
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5128648.msg50478487#msg50478487

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That post should not be considered plagiarism. The act of listing the general specification and prices is dissimilar to using other people's statements that you adopt as your own.

I also would not also mark that post as plagiarism, but I just want to show that too much posting in that way in the end may lead user in problem. We do not know what is exact reason for perma-ban, but user hacker1001101001 has found something that could be the main reason for this perma-ban.

If we look at date of this post (26. April, 2017) then it is exactly two years from posting to perma-ban. Someone obviously has enough time to to review old posts and report users who have done something against the rules.

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That could be it, but I think it could also be for spam.
Bans for spam would not have a reason that dictates they were banned for plagiarism.

It would be something along the lines of "Insubstantial post quality"
user hacker1001101001 has found something that could be the main reason for this perma-ban.
That is almost assuredly the cause of the ban (a post closely resembling the highlighted post). There have been past cases of plagiarism bans given out for similar situations.

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That could be it, but I think it could also be for spam.
Bans for spam would not have a reason that dictates they were banned for plagiarism.

I could be wrong, but I believe there's only one automated ban notification for both possibilities, spam or plagiarism.  Also, the OP mentioned both in the title of the thread.  I've never seen the warning with my own eyes, but here's a quote someone posted:

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You have been permanently banned by a forum moderator, probably due to spam or plagiarism. You may appeal here, but your chances are not good: ~

I agree that hacker1001101001 found the most likely reason.

It's odd though, cybersofts was usually careful to add a source to his copy-pasta, this could have been an oversight.  Considering the quality of the accounts posts, however I would be surprised if this ban was overturned. 

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I think the OP had know it would be coming since he suspected that he was banned from either spam or plagiarism which looks like the case. I think cybersoft's posting style where he just gets images as well as the specs and even text without any kind of references made him unknowingly do plagiarism, he might not be aware of his actions though that is why he is asking for what happened actually.

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I think the OP had know it would be coming since he suspected that he was banned from either spam or plagiarism which looks like the case. I think cybersoft's posting style where he just gets images as well as the specs and even text without any kind of references made him unknowingly do plagiarism, he might not be aware of his actions though that is why he is asking for what happened actually.
No. I got the notification on the top of my forum profile. I don't think I broke any forum rule in all my actions. I just got burned without any good proper reason. Pointing out the posts I made 2 years ago when I was a "newbies" is pointless. It's just a blackmail, if not how could you questioned me for what I did 2 years ago? BTW, I made countless contributions to the forum but you guys now turn a blind eye trying to bury me alive. If I was doing something wrong at least you should warn me, the parma-ban is just unfair. I'm not some kind of criminal for God's sake!

By the way, I have a question?
Is posting relevant articles from external sites with reference URLs against the forum rules? Yes or no?

The way I see it, someone is trying to bury me before my time. Let's be frank!

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No. I got the notification on the top of my forum profile. I don't think I broke any rule of the forum in all my actions.

you did exactly that, you can't copy-paste without mentioning the source.
 
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Pointing out the posts I made 2 years ago when I was a "newbies" is pointless. It's just a blackmail

I tend to agree to this, if that is the only mistake you made, then permaban is a bit too much IMO

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Is posting relevant articles from external sites with reference URLs against the forum rules? Yes or no?

it is not against the rules , as long as you post the reference, in all world standards that does not count as plagiarism.

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The way I see it, someone is trying to bury me before my time. Let's be frank!

yes very possible, someone must have done a lot of digging to get to that point, but i suggest you keep your cool here, non of the admins replied, all of us here are normal members with 0 power, so staying cool and polite + being sorry for the mistake you did + promising not to do it again is probably the best you can do.


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