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I UPDATED THE TITLE FROM "PACQUIAO STANDS AS UNDERDOG VS THURMAN" TO "PACQUIAO NOW STANDS AS FAVORITE VS THURMAN" BECAUSE THE RECENT ODDS ON ONLINE SPORTSBOOKS NOW SHOW A SURGE IN PACQUIAO'S ODDS OF WINNING AGAINST THURMAN, THUS THE TURNING OF THE TABLES.

Manny Pacquiao is now 40 years old, 10 years older than his opponent. He's past his prime years. His attention is so much divided, esp. now that he's very much needed in the Philippine senate (yes, he's a senator in his country), as the midterm senatorial elections have just concluded.

Thurman, on the other hand is young and undefeated. He's very hard on training with so much focus just on boxing. These were the main reasons Thurman was favored by online sportsbooks. But things have already changed. Pacquiao is now the favorite.

Interesting read: Pacquiao Stands as Underdog vs Thurman (https://www.bitcoinsportsbetting.co.uk/news/pacquiao-stands-as-underdog-vs-thurman/)

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i think the OP meant older not younger in this phrase - "10 years younger than his opponent".

we will see how far pacquiao is prepared for this yet another fight of his career. he has nothing to prove anymore. he is already a legend in boxing. what is there to gain for this fight anyway? more money? proof that he can still fight at his age?  in any case, still interesting to watch this coming july...

Getting your point OP, in terms of age gap Thurman maybe much quicker than Pacquiao there's no doubt about that this can be the factor why sportsbooks
based their bookies odds, but it can also be a trapped for people to play with thurman as experienced and determinations can still be with Pacquiao, knowing how he loves fighting for the glory of his countrymen, be very careful not being tricked analyze more deeper before betting.

People want a fight that, a showdown with Manny on it. I know there are no more to prove but the fact that it is still exciting gives the fight a chance. It is in his blood and I think as much as he can fight he will not stop and continue this passion. You can't just ignore that and we all are the same. Anyway I will be betting on Manny as he hasn't been letting me down.

We already had a thread here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142112.0. And Pacquiao being underdog has been discussed over there, so I suggest to the OP to close this one, just saying.

Pacquiao has been the underdog on so many of his fights and this is not something new to him and to us, but based on both fighters last fight, Pacquiao seems to have the edge because he has beaten two of the top fighter in the division, compare to Thurman who had a hard time beating Lopez in his last fight.

Thurman is indeed young, quick and undefeated but pacquiao is a legend when in comes to boxing so he can still be a strong opponent to Thurman. I think it too early to predict that Pacquiao is an underdog because I know he prepared enough for this match.

I've watch some of their pre-match interviews and I can see that Manny is fired up for this fight. That can be either bad for him as he could get careless or bad for his opponent as he won't have any mercy.

Power, Speed, Experience...still Manny for me.

Just as the expectation of others that Pacman is the underdog for this match.
So the basis of the odds just because Pacman has become older these days?

Maybe it's because of Pacman age that's why they are giving him an underdog status, hence on his last to fights, Pacman did show us that he still got the punching power and speed just like when he was still in his prime. I will still bet on Pacquiao over this fight.

It's better that he is an underdog he will be motivated to train harder and fight harder and to prove once again that he still has it, I'll still go for Pacquiao not because he is my countryman but he still has the old form he just matured but he is still the Pacquiao that we all knows.

Even though there are many possibilities that Pacquiao may end up losing in this fight, I am still supporting my fellow Filipino and our Boxing Champ Manny Pacquiao, And I think even though there is much work related with the Senate and other stuff that are not relating Boxing I still think that Pacquiao is not negligence with his own training, He is actually are preparing so hard with every fight he is taking and even in his old age I guess he is still in his prime, And I guess we will see it with experience, And he can come up with a plan and like I said he will see to it that he is not negligence with every detail of the fight.

Even though there's a huge age gap between this two fighters, we know that the experienced one mostly win with all of the many records on history where experienced age boxers who sculpted through time defeated young challengers with some are also undefeated. We cannot compare age and experience but just have a clean fight.

Thurman being undefeated I guess is just one of the major reason Pacman turned underdog despite his record being champ in 8 division. you gotta to admit, Pacman isn't in his price and his movement had changed significant'y but the knockout power is there. You can't just ignore the person who knocks guys in the boxing arena who are bigger than him.

Pacquiao is said to have joined some of the greatest players of all time, something which of course Thurman has not proven to have at the moment, but he has a real chance in this fight. However, Pacquiao is 40 years old, and has proven vulnerable to bad style battles (as are most fighters). But whether Thurman will bring a style that really troubles Pacquiao, especially given the history of his injury, remains to be seen.

We all knew how gambling strategist moves and sometimes making news favor them,they can easily say that Pacquiao is underdog to gain more bets for Thurman but on the other hand they are betting for Pacquiao lol this is normal in gambling world

And regarding to the Senatorial issue?Manny has enough time to train for the fight and knowing this Great fighter?he will never risk small chance for his opponent when we speak about boxing so basically Manny Pacquiao will still win this fight

Yeah. It could be the reason for that conclusion plus Manny's attention is not on boxing alone that's why he was considered the underdog. But, I guess Pacman has been considered underdog on his previous fights for the same reason so I guess he's kinda used to that thought already. I know he'll prove he still got it inside the boxing ring. I'm still and always rooting for Manny, may he be the underdog or the favorite.

But he still has a lot of division titles which can proclaim the strength that he has for the past few years. Well then, he got older but it doesn't mean that he's too weak enough or become weaker since it didn't stopped training himself and he's still on his career after all of these years.

I understand that this is now one of the factor that made the odds.

That is also true. The previous injuries will likely be making a fighter slow, if a knuckles are already broken Paman may not be able to punch as hard as it was long time ago. The bones in our hands are tiny pieces and once cracked due to the hard punches thrown to any hard heads, these tiny bones deteriorate that a fighter will not punch harder or else he'd get injury in the middle of the fight.

The basis is that Thurman is undefeated and young as compare to Manny, so the oddmakers put him as the favorite in this fight. But Manny's fans and himself knows that he can still pull the trigger, not like before though, be he still have the pops on his punch. We have seen it during the Lucas and Broner fight. The good thing though, the odds is very attractive, so I'm sure that many boxing afficionados will bet for Manny Pacquiao in this fight. And who knows, maybe the odds will change as the fight get's closer.

       Yes that's true Manny is 10 years older than his opponent and as far as I know that Pacquiao was trained according to their program and he loves boxing as his passion in life so I don't think Manny will be beaten easily  , and if we try to analyze his last fight is not convincing to stop fighting.

On any sort of analysis then we would able to see on who do have the edge on here in terms of active

training which do focuses on boxing only.We know that the other party(Pacquiao) is really busy with his
current senatorial career which do mainly affect his boxing-no doubt.This is on where they do get up their
odds but we know on what Manny is capable of.

Definitely many Manny Pacquiao fans would bite the odds. I'll bet but I think that will be few days before the match to have that verification if the odds didn't really changed at all. Manny still has his winning punch and I've this many times with his other fights where he's treated like this. The crowd's favorite was his opponent but still he won that fight, I can't remember if that's with Clottey or Bradley.

Yeah right, there's still time to analyze and not to fall or if you are really a fan and you love taking the risk betting with Pacquiao will give you a comfortable earnings when he wins it, speed vs maturity will determined who's going to win this match.

Take your side according to what you observe and analyze then enjoy watching the fight.

Even if he younger than on his opponent Pacquiao was a great boxer all over the world. This coming fight we will see if who will win in their fight. We see it already in the past fight of Pacquiao that he has already many proven for the boxing.

You're when you said Pacman have improved in his previous fight with Broner but don't forget he won the fight with an eye injury which was said to be severe but his camp never said anything about it and having an opponent like Thurman which was among the hardest punchers things might get worse for Pacman which was the reason why online sportsbook chooses Thurman.

I still believe in Pacquiao even he is older than Thurman.I still believe in capacity of sir Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao.He is strong even he is old. Lets just wait and see for the coming game I believe Pacquiao can still make it to win.

There is already a thread talking about this fight so it is better that we should focus on that one as what we are discussing here is the same on the first thread.

OP, please lock this thread and you should see to it that the OP you made is not redundant.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142112.msg51008907#msg51008907

I really hope he will not be hit hard that he will regret of getting this fight. What is his main motive of having this fight at the dawn of his boxing career? He has everything already, yet he feels that he's still in his primetime years.

This is not a big surprise to see the older man here Pacquaioas a underdog versus the undefeated younger champion
Just because the odds do not favor Manny here doesnt mean he wont win.
I am not sure who i will be taking in this one since we still have a short while before we see the weigh in.

Check the odds anywhere you look Pacman is the underdog
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Yeah I support your opinion both fighters are have an own capality no need to talk about age gap. We know many being a legend in boxing they can use it their experience to get win for this fight, in boxing not a basis younger or stronger to get win, if the fighter are stronger with have lot of strategy and experience possible to get win. So I bet for many lot of strategy and experience he have to get win these fight.

I think it the odds won't change even if we get closer to the fight date. There have been a lot of open workouts already. So if oddmakers see's something then they would have change the odds by now. As @mich as said, even if Pacman is the underdog here, it doesn't mean he can't win this difficult fight.

Lol those are two different thing

Here the topic is about Manny Pacquiao is being UNDERDOG from Thurman while the one that you have mentioned is simply talking about the fight itself and nothings issue

And this is more latest issue as the fight is coming nearly to happen

Well, Pacquiao is for sure great boxer, but his best times likely over.  He is more than 40 years old, and already retired once. I don't know what forced him to return, shouldn't he earn enough to leave boxing out, and find a more safe way to get enough adrenaline for a life?  

Agree, his best time and the awesome fights have happened when he is young. I don't think it will bring a good fight but still hoping that Manny Pacquiao wins. If you're asking the reason why he still fights is that his life is on boxing, the reason he gained respect from others is boxing, the reason that changes your life is boxing so do you think it's easy to leave boxing?

He didn't need money because he has a lot of it, I think he is looking for a challenger that will definitely make him knock down.

Age will always be a factor in sports. You get wiser but you also get slower, weaker. And in boxing, speed and strength is the determining factor.


He is already a senator, he does not need boxing to gain respect. It would be easy for him to leave boxing because he has other jobs to focus on. He should focus on being a Senator and leave boxing to younger and fitter boxers.

The people here are not seeing the point of the who posted this. As you can see, Pacquaio stands as the underdog for this match. Because
of his age compared to his opponent, his senatorial position that affects his focus and so on. But the point is, he's the underdog and the sports betting for their match is really tricky. Even though Pacquiao has nothing to prove, the gamblers must be careful with their choice to this match.

Right. The focus of this thread is more on the odds or the betting angle. The purpose is to elicit discussions on why Pacquiao is the underdog as shown in the odds or why he has to be the favorite rather than the underdog.

That's not actually surprising considering Pacquiao is already 40yrs old and his opponent is young and undefeated. Pacquiao is just underdog when it comes to odds but when it comes to experience, he is above Thurman. I believe he is fully prepared for this fight and has a good tactic to beat this guy already.

Yes he is older than Truman but he is not underdog in the fight. I don't know when Pacman will retire in boxing ring but I think as long as he can fight, his match never stop. In fact, there waiver that he signed during his last fight. That waiver is a basis that he would never stop to battle in a ring. Even he is underdog or not. Regarding to their fight, it is a classic for me.

That will be dangerous for him. At his age, he should really consider retiring. Boxing is a contact sport, and one wrong punch could end badly for him.

Pacquiao fans will not see him as the underdog. They will always see him as invulnerable and refuse to see the obvious. Pacquiao is already old and unfocused. He is the underdog for a reason. He may still win but the odds are not on his side.

Well to be honest, every boxer wants the opportunity to fight one of the legendary boxers of all time. This is due to the fact that battling Manny Pacquiao can jump-start your career, provide you fame, huge amounts of cash, the glory, and the pride. But as a Filipino, I will support Manny Pacquiao in all of his fights, regardless of his current task.


Bob Arum mentioned that he fears Manny Pacquiao might suffer brain damage if he continues to fight at his current age- which is rare for a boxer to continue this kind of dangerous sport. The long-term damage might manifest later on his life especially that he represents as a Senator in the Philippines. Regardless of what people view him, either as an underdog or as a main competitor, our support will remain the same!

Looks like the bookmakers have got this one wrong, definitely looks like some easy money to me.

Thurman is no better than Broner in my opinion, and Pacquiao dismantled him with ease.

The senator might be getting old, but he's still got fire in his fists, and he's definitely not somebody who doesn't give their all to the sport.

Thurman barely won a majority decision over Josesito Lopez for God's sake, he's going to get mauled (by UD).

Not surprising for bookies to have these kinds of odds arrangement.They do mostly see on whose the favorite and then

adjust the odds according to that this is why we can really make some easy money to this one.Pacquiao do really still
have that fire power and lets see if Thurman can withstand it.

What are you waiting for guys?

Things will changed while the fight is approaching.

This is the first time I saw a good odds for Pacquiao. Thurman might be good but still the veteran Manny will take care of this.

My Speculation: Pacquaio via Split Decision.

I doubt there will be big changes as the schedule is approaching, Thurman is the clear favorites here as he has the advantage that oddsmakers have seen.



Pacman was underdog during his fight against Mayweather, and he lost.


I'll bet on a knock out since both fighters are aggressive, if there's a gambling odds for this, I'd love to sprinkle a bit of my money to it.

I've placed a substantial bet on Pacman to win by UD.

I don't know if he's still got the same knockout power he once had, but he's still got the work rate and speed to be more than enough trouble for a guy like Thurman.

That being said, I'll hedge my bets for a round 5,6,7 KO by Thurman, just in case.

I still go for Pacquiao. Aside from his credibility being a legend in boxing, the fact that he is older than his opponent does not emphasize a disadvantage in his part. The length of his career means a lot, it means, tactics, techniques, strategies, wisdom, strength etc. his past successes say it all compared to someone who has not even passed through half of what Pacman has been through. 

Underdog might not be the appropriate term for me but sportsbook just favored Thurman.

Seeing the whole provided odds, it's not much of a gap.

Good chance now for MP's enthusiast to place a bet. It's been quite a long time since he got good odds that is worth to put a shot.

Anyone does have a preview for Knockout odds per round?

You are both right, to the Pacquiao fans this is one of the best chance to bet while the odds are good although it isn't that much but it's still better than the previous odds that we've seen before.
I'd like to join all of you with the speculation of possible result of the match but I still can't decide if this is going to be TKO or through unanimous decision.

Absolutely right mate,and that’s why I’m saving some amount every payday so I can bet as many as I can for this advantage we are having

Imagine the greatest fighter of the world has being underdog and given an Odds

Cannot wait to see how crying tears those Thurman fanatic seeing their Idol being smashed by Manny Pacquiao

This is like the NBA finals, Raptors is the underdog and people are rooting for the Warriors to win the championship. This is just my comparison but if you will ever look at the outline, the underdog became the champion. And on this fight, Manny has the potential to win this game that others aren't thinking. But the result can also change, Manny can also lose who knows what exactly is going to happen? bet at your own risk but we'll go with Manny.

You cannot compare this with the NBA as in NBA a team needs to win at least 4 to win the championship, and every game the odds might change.
This one is just a one fight and odds are here present before the fight.

If we compared the odds before game 1 of the Warriors vs Toronto series, the Warriors are the heavy favorites and I think Raptors gives at least x3 of your bet, but this fight with Manny is different, there's only a small odds difference, meaning Thurman is not a heavy favorite int he fight.

Yes the odds is not really a big difference even Thurman have that advantage but bookies still seeing that Pacman still have the chance to win the match,
it's not that much difference if you will check the sports house they will give you 1.95 for Pacman and 1.76 for Thurman and it can be change when you are betting inside the live games.

Underdog might be good and it could be more interesting if most of sportbooks will provide high odds for him and sometimes age does not so matter and this is happend to George Foreman when he able to be the champion in 46 years old and Bernard Hopkins when he was able to beat his opponent in 49 years old so i wish Pacquiao will be motivated by them to through this fight

I believe age will matter in sport but looking into the situation with Manny, I may think that they are wrong saying Manny is the underdog at this fight. Manny was still in good shape, may it have a difference in speed but it for sure he still has strength enough to win over Thurman. We know Manny of its fights, he proves a lot of his fight but how about Thurman? Is he proves great fights?
Anyway, let's see it on July 20. I know, everyone has time to witness the fight.

I think Manny Pacquiao can do better, a knockout at Round 7 or 8. This is not a biased prediction but I think usually when Manny Pacquiao is asked what Round he can KO his opponent, he will say rounds between 5 or 10, I will go with 7 or 8. He's furious and I know that it can affect the performance of Manny but I think it will just make him more aggressive and a great match if you'll ask me.

Thurman looks scarier on the fight but I sense he is quite nervous coming to this fight, he seems intimated and does things very awkward or he knows that Pacquiao is his biggest test, he's been saying that he is the one that will retire Pacquiao, but I don't think even Mayweather cannot do it.

Indeed as most of the people around me says that raptors cannot even have a single win but what happens is totally opposite to what they expected

This only proves one thing that in sports nothing is permanently happen because everyone has weaknesses and lapses ,and no one can perfectly say things unless the game has already ended to declare who wins and who loses

If we check the basics, then Thurman definitely has the advantage now. He is younger, and his recent form has been pretty good. On the other hand, Manny may be a bit rusty due to his lack of involvement in the boxing scene for many months. But the insults rained down on Manny by Thurman was of bad taste. It is not going to do him any good, when the real fight happens next month.

You don't understand the point that I'm saying. I've said that this is like the NBA finals, there's no comparison. I'm relating the situation now about the odds with the NBA finals that just ended and the view of the people about being the underdog and the supreme choice of people.

Well, same situation as Raptors but different level of playing because NBA is a fight of a team while boxing only plays between 2 fighters. Boxing are unpredictable because we don’t know what will happen on the ring and we don’t know if Pacquiao really have the advantage once they take on the court, we only see the numbers through their previous fights.

I don't know why people do try to compare it with basketball but if we do mentioned nor talk about Underdogs generally

There would always be a tendency for having a chance to beat out the dominating one but this one is quite awkward or unusual.
We know the standing of Thurman but we can already presume or do see on whose much better when it comes to stats.

I don't think we can say Pacman as an underdog by just basin on the age gap because despite the age Pacman is still a very strong opponent to Thurman because he has a lot of experience. Thurman maybe undefeated but he is young and doesn't have much of experience in terms of boxing. I think it will be an interesting match for the two of them.

LOL.... Do you think that Keith Thurman is inexperienced? He may be young (not sure whether we can call someone at 30 years as old), but he has 12 years of experience in boxing. He fought against (and lost to) Demetrius Andrade in 2007. I know that Manny is very experienced, but that doesn't mean that for this fight he is taking on a rookie with only a few years of experience.

Those odd makers has based a lot of factors on why they think Pacquiao is an underdog so leave it like that. Also, Thurman has also a experience boxer, he is a champion so I think it already speaks for itself. Of course when Manny Pacquiao fight it's always exciting regardless of who the opponent is.

I never thought of an 8th time division world champion would be an underdog. It seems OP has no good analysis when it comes to a match like this. An experience one vs. a new one in this league would overpower the old one.

Maybe, if he thinks that Manny is so old enough for a fight but I do not think coach Roach would allow Manny to fight if Manny is capable.of bringing down an opponent.

Don't judge into final conclusions yet, let's see what manny can do towards his opponent around the ring corner. Age cannot be based on how a boxer can fight, just take more reviews on pacman fights and you'll be enlightened how this Filipino champ had survived his career and became wealthy boxer.

Guys, that's not the point of what I'm saying. It's not about the game style or strategy of each team/individual on how to win. What I'm saying is about the people's point of view during these fights. The odds are almost the same, they look at Raptors and Pacquiao as underdogs and yet the Raptors won and became the champion. I'm not talking about how they would win or how it's possible for them to win but how the people looked upon them.

I agree with your last statement when Manny fight there's a lots of excitement to watch out, though he's not the same young blooded fighter like when he's still young who always aiming for a good opportunity to knock out his opponents, but he still have the winning instinct, loving this game and fight with
full dedications will be expected to this fighting senator, good odds for Manny's fans here.

Many Pacquiao is older than Thurman is still young, but age doesn't matter when its comes to boxing fight and Pacman is always prepared for his game no matter what he do everything like practicing. So, I think he can do it. Especially to win the fight rather.

Pacman is a successful guy on his career in boxing as well as being a senator of his motherland Philippines. Even if he didn't make it to winning legacy on winning for Thurman, that not a problem with him. He's a one of the top paid fighter on this fight, I guess his preparation is long enough to perform the fight that will not disappoint everybody who been following his career eversince he was still an amateur fighter.

Who says that Raptors is a underdog.though for me it's wrong.but well we are not talking about NBA we talking about Pacman and Thurman.never estimate the ability and capacity of our Idol Manny Pacquiao.even Thurman is younger than Pacman I know Thurman is the underdog in this game.the game is coming let's see and I know Manny gonna show us that he is a champion for the boxing ring.what ever you say that it's just a number of previous fights but that's the proof that Manny is the champion.

Add also his upcoming concert on September 1, 2019 at Quezon City, Philippines. Do you think that this event will have an effect to his fight vs Keith Thurman?
But even his attention is so much divded, Manny Pacquiao has still his focus for the boxing since it's still the fight for the country of Philippines.

Let's see more updates on Manny Pacquiao.
Read more about his upcoming concert: Manny Pacquiao gears up for concert (https://news.abs-cbn.com/entertainment/06/21/19/manny-pacquiao-gears-up-for-concert)

I think one strong advantage of Pacquiao is his true dedication to this boxing sports. If you will check his interviews, you can feel that he is still a humble person despite all the riches he has. Unlike Moneyweather, he flaunts all his riches, posting photos counting money and all his material possessions. Maybe, that's the reason why I like this boxer, his humbleness and his passion towards this sports.

"I’m not thinking about the odds. I’m thinking about my condition and focused on my training. Make sure I’m 100 percent condition on the night of the fight," Pacquiao said.

And that is the attitude that push to Pacquaio to the pinnacle of boxing. He is humble even after the post fight interview in his win fights he is still down to earth. He just focuses on boxing, but I do think that he is somewhat affected by the trash talking. But he would rather let his hands fly and do the talking though.

So good mentality for him to be prepare to win the fight because of his hard training and dedication.

That's him being honest and does speak what he does, we will surely see some good performance from him comes the fight night.

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To OP, maybe it's time to consider changing the thread title as the current line does not speak on the title anymore.
It's currently, Thurman who stands underdog against Pacman in most sportsbook.

That really he is since from the start, people loves Manny because he remains from what he is.
Thurman is one of those big mouth boxers, yet he proves something but it is too far from how Manny is shown to us. Keeping himself humble and his passion for boxing sports has actually built a strong reputation even though if he loses against Thurman.

Where did he say that? You have the link?

In the last video he posted on twitter he was driving to a birthday party of a friend!  :D  :D

https://twitter.com/MannyPacquiao/status/1145517952654905344

Here's where I got the quote: https://sports.abs-cbn.com/boxing/news/2019/07/03/betting-odds-concern-pacquiao-thurman-58629

Very well, Manny is Manny for god sake he had a lot of fights already and been winning in most of them so I will surely vouch for Manny, Thurman maybe strong at his age but I don’t think he has what it takes to defeat Manny Pacquiao. Aside from that despite being well known and successful in boxing he keeps his feet on the ground that is why Manny is loved by many regardless if he won or not.

Pacquiao might older now compared to his previous fights but I think age wont be a hindrance for him to win this challenge since he already prove to many of his fans that he can still fight regardless of his current age.

The odds is favored to Pacquiao but we should not underestimate Thurman, he is an experienced boxer too and undefeated so I guess this will be a good match for Pacquiao.

That's still the question, both fighters have its own capabilities and this is the first time that they will faced each other, we will see when the fight started if Manny with his age right now can still work on his speed to equalized the performance of this young Thurman, and with Thurman whether he can think wiser to counter Manny's attacks.

They both have the capabilities to win only after the fight one will take the glory, good luck everyone.

Ive read some posts yesterday that Keith Thurman boast about how he will defeat Manny and bet $10,000 that he will not defeat him by K.O.. He has overflowing self confidence and has a hundred percent belief that he will defeat Manny. All Manny can say is that "thank you for the donation" which proves that he is still humble and down to earth despite having much.

Here's the link.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/06/24/keith-thurman-manny-pacquiao-bet-fight/

This is what I'm talking about. Seems like people have seen factors that made the tables turn. It's not always about the age. It's also about the skill and experience. No doubt that Thurman is also a great fighter and is referred to as "knockout specialist" but I'm still rooting for Manny Pacquiao to give his all as he always do.

Why is it when Pacquiao is facing a big opponent's people keep telling that this could be Manny's last fight, the guy is very much prepared he knows how to prepare for his fight, we have seen Manny's biggest fight and with the exception of Mayweather he never took a bad beating because he is both a good defender and a good attacker.

Maybe because he is getting old and already proved himself. Anyway, if Manny will get this fight in KO. I guess their mind will change on how they see Manny. Anyway, Roach said a guaranteed KO for Manny and he is pretty confident with it. It seems they have a well-cooked strategy/plan. We really know what happen most of trashtalker in boxing, they got beaten badly.

We have only 16 more days to and both teams where preparing well. Have this fight gets hot everyday and more trashtalk we've heard from Thurman's mouth/side. We can't make him silence until Manny can prove that he is still a Manny before.
Lets see what happen to Thurman's face after their fight or to see him standing until round 12.

Are they serious? Do they know how manny pacquiao beat every tall fighter he fought to fight? Do they know every manny opponent trashtalk him? but what happended? manny beat them all. Like oscar de la hoya trashtalk manny and after the fight makes a resignation letter after manny smash his face/beaten him.

Keith Thurman must shown something new that can surprise manny in the ring, or else manny can beat him up easily.

A player should be so strong to fight and to defend at the same time because when they get in rim they will face some supporter and some are opponents but the one who show good fighting skills and win at the end people surely support all of them but if they will not so maybe they needs some improvement but most of time pacquiao face this as for being new in for users,

It will be a different story if Manny will knock out Thurman the question about his age will be forgotten and incoming big match up will show from left to right, it's interesting how Coach Roach foresee the possible outcome maybe they've got something about Thurman and they prepared well.

I agree on this one which Manny proves out that he can make his opponent faced down on the canvass no matter how they do trashed

talk Him but it doesn't really matter at all yet he's not being affected because in the end,boxing skills and fighting spirit would be the real test.
For opponents who do likes to trashtalked on pre-box then they should prove out on what are the things they do spit out into their mouth.

I don't know how the bookies ever thought that Thurman could be the favorite in this fight anyway, Pacquiao has a crazy record, and has fought some of the all time greats.

Who has Thurman fought? Practically nobody. I think it's going to be a close match, but Pacman should edge it by at least MD, but probably UD.

Not confident enough to bet on it though.

I did some research regarding Thurman yes he is a good fighter in the ring but unfortunately Manny Pacquiao has a good record and proven its potential in the bpxing ring, I'm predicting Manny will win in this match.

Pacquiao is also my bet knowing he has grown old already in the boxing arena. His matured age is not a hindrance because he is still as good as he was before. Thurman may have good records too as a boxer  but i think his boxing skills is still not enough to beat Pacquiao.

Probably the experience was the best factor of Pacquiao to have greater advantages compared to Thurman. Yes, Thurman had commendable records as well, but based on the videos I've watched he's not that great compared to Manny's previous fights. Don't care about Pacquiao's age, just look how he handled himself and you'll be surprised of his power punches.

He's good and he's still young so it will be a good fight for Manny, the challenger might have something to show up and bring the fight into a much interesting outcome, the fight will bring both fighters to give their best to win against each other.

Right, Pacman has a lot of experience and this is very advantageous to him. Also Thurman hasn't fought a caliber of Pacman. If you would see interview of Pacman's previous opponent, they said that the hand speed and the angles of many is very difficult to match. So that being said + his training for this fight sway a lot of bettors on his side.

Thurman is acting like a bully here, based on his interviews he's putting a lot of weight on Manny but we all know, he shows his stuff inside the right, Thurman was dangerous I don't see him in his best form in his latest fight against Lopez if he will not show in his best form against Manny he is in great trouble.

       Yes Manny now stands as favorite vs Thurman because if we try to look last two fight of Pacquiao , were very evident that He can damage younger opponent , although He's not in his prime but still can throw heavy punch and the speed is not off .

Nice editing,in just almost a month trend has reset and now the odds favoring the Pacman?well as what I’ve expected since the media shown it all,the comparisons of both fighter in their style and speed?all comes favor to Pacquiao no wonder how fast the trendsetting happen.

Just like what Freddie Roach says,Thurman is slower then Heinz ketchup lol 😂

While Manny on the other hand is faster like a bullet 👍👍😍

Regardless of Pacquiao's experience, he indeedly had proven a lot in the field of boxing. He have defeated a lot of undefeated champion and even Floyd Mayweather although he wasn't able to defeat is no more interested in rematching with Pacquiao again. I'm not sure if it's true that Floyd cheated in a game versus Pacquiao.

There will be a rematch one day.It's written. Mayweather loves too much the spotlights and the money for promoters is too big.

There is no wonder about it since Manny is one of the boxing legends. I just think of this as soon as I have read tge title of the topic. Really Manny pacman pacquaio has really the edge over a new guy but an undefeated boxing player. Well going to see it later in when they will meet in the ring.

Those people who stand on Pacquiao knows that he has the ability to defeat Thurman.


Yes, Pacman already marked a legacy in boxing so there's no doubt why people are choosing him than Thurman.

Manny Pacquiao is a sure Hall of Famer and i think he got nothing to prove to the fight fans around the world. He fight for the passion of boxing and of course the monetary benefit of it because we know that he is a politician in the Philippines and it needed a lot of funding.

I hope so they could show some amazing new moves, especially to Thurman since i've seen his previous fight and it doesn't take a chance to stood against Pacman's speed and power. Thurman may have a strong defense not as strong as Mayweather i gotta admit that but if he wants to go head to head with Pacman, i don't think he will last while exchanging some punch at Pacman.

I think with Manny Pacquiao he is more of passion in boxing rather than the monetary benefit he can get from it. He is already the country's wealthiest man so he has gained already huge funds even from his previous fights. But still i'm very excited for his incoming fight with Thurman knowing he is now the favorite against with his opponent.

I think is part of the people opinion is that not bullynis people opinion is came from their analysis, and obviously most of the people bet for many win. For both boxer have an own style in strategy how get win this exciting fight. Of course mynis for many but I didn't under estimate the capability of thurman as fighter he young and power but if the experience basis many is lot.

Pacquaio's popularity gained a lot of supports not just in asia, but also for western countries like US territory. They've been looking for how many managed his boxing career fairly, and as God fearing boxer he used to beat his opponents 100% remarkable.

Thurman may be younger but pacquiao already proved his reputation to the boxing community. He already defeated some world champions before and been undefeated for some years. It's obvious that pacquiao has greater odds on sportsbetting websites. Imo this is just like his previous fights, pacquiao will win and he'll earn more money again.

He's getting a lot of American fans because of his fighting style which is very offensive and bring the fight to his opponent, not boring for short. Unlike other boxers out there wherein we feel sleepy because their style is more of a counter puncher.

Even if he lose, he will still earn big money, but let's hope he will win so he will have more fight before he will retire.
Thurman did think he can beat Pacman and made him retire, that's mouth will be shut when they fight in the ring comes the scheduled fight, Manny will once again win and prove that he is not too old to retire in boxing.

Its not that simple. For sure he will earn a great deal of money even if he loses the fight. But in case he loses it, then his future prospects may be in jeopardy. Getting a good opponent is very important, and Manny will be getting a big boost if he upsets Thurman on July 20th. Also, in case he loses this one, then his fans may not turn out in great numbers for the upcoming fight against Khan. 

Because Manny Pacquiao is one of the most recognized boxing of all time and his name will remain and remembered in the next generation or more

And you know why all the upcoming fight of Manny is blockbuster?because no one knows that this maybe the last fight of his career so everyone don’t wanna miss this chance of a lifetime experience

Pacman will beat Thurman,and without trash talk he will bring the belt In his Homeland Philippines

I'm rooting for Pacman to win the fight, though he does not have to prove anything but this win will make him be one of the most valuable in the market again. There's nothing we can ask for him as he already bring pride to his country and he is an entertaining boxer in the ring, so I will go with the old but still a very dangerous fighter.

The way I see in their previous fights with different opponents. I don't find any reason why Thurman would win this match against Manny. Yes Thurman is undefeated but does he fought an opponent with the same caliber as Pacquiao's? None, so I favor Manny Pacquiao's for this fight.

We have almost the same speculation on this fight. Thurman struggle in his last fight while the Pacman cruise to a unanimous decision victory. The only factor that Thurman had in this fight is the disparity of the age but would it be a factor in the fight, let's just wait and see.

If whoever lose the fight and still can fight after, the effect of the lose is still temporary as one boxer can recover and get his reputation back again.
Manny lose to Mayweather and Horn but this man still has a lot of fans and supporters and I believe his fight this month will bring a lot of audience in the arena.

Pacquiao has fought and beaten quite a number of undefeated fighters already so i think thurman being undefeated has little bearing on the fight. And though manny has experience and probably skill advantage, you can't really disregard age when it comes to boxing or anty physical sport. If manny continues to fight, one young guy might just be able to take him out. I hope he follows mayweather's logic for his sake.

That could happen but as long as he can fight he will sure continue to do so.
No boxer will forever live based on his current standing, sure Manny as he aged his performance will not be the same but as he is still fighting, I can say he is still a very entertaining fighter as he never back down like other fighters in the ring, he is old, that's given but he is still strong and capable of fighting.

Pacquiao is a legendary boxer while Thurman is still hoping to become one in the future if he surpassed the knockout punches of Manny Pacquiao but if he fails this will have a huge impact on his career and his future matches In this fight I dont think its the end of career of Manny he still a very dangerous boxer in the ring with power and speed.

Most like the end of Pacman's career if he loss, but not the end of Thurma's career for sure since it would only be his first loss if this fight is not in his favor.
Thurman here is building his name since he just came back from injury, he won his last fight but he did not dominate that fight although he won via unanimous decision.

So we will wait for their coming fight, and lets see if who will be the champions even if they have a age gap. But Pacquiao is so much to do hard training for his becoming fight and confident that he will defeat Thurman.

Anyone who have watched the 2nd face off of Manny Pacquiao and Keith Thurman? Keith has been telling same words with his past opponents as Manny Pacquiao pointed out that his opponents were telling the same thing.

But in the ring, they had all changed.

Vid: THE 2nd FACE OFF! PACQUIAO VS THURMAN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5d9gEBBOvM)

And looks like the odds are changing now.

   Many people would love to pick Manny Pacquiao as their bet of favorite boxer, and one thing made them have that desire was of his humbleness and low profile image. Even if he's a boxer politician, he didn't even said to his statements very agressive words towards his opponent. His spirit of being a Filipino and God fearing person attracts more followers who truly believed on his capability to beat Thurman. For me his challenger remained the underdog of this fight.

Pacman, if will loss lose on that fight will still goes for a 1-2 more fights.

I'm 100% sure that he will asked for rematch if he will loss on this match. And Thurman, will gladly accept it again since it's money after all. But apparently, the way Pacquaio is showing at the practice, he still the Pacquiao the team knows that shows no signs of slowing down. Not that they are positive but what they see is real.

And since the numbers of fight Manny can do is already limited since he's aging now, fans really gamble with him not just because he's really good
but also being a good example, Manny is a humble type of a fighter he won't speak much but he will show his determination to beat you, less than two weeks and the fight will be watch by millions of fans around.

Many choose Pacman not only because he is a legend and experienced but also because his personality is very humble and respected in his country, but in a match sometimes it doesn't have much effect. Now Pacquiao 40 years old that will affect his appearance, He need to prepare his energy to win this fight.

He has the energy and it seems he still has more energy than his younger opponents, we have seen that in his last two fights.
People are too concern about the age of Manny but he hasn't showed like he is aging, so I don't see it a weakness for him, his age is just a number.

Who knows? There is a chance that Keith Thurman may be thinking along similar lines. He may be thinking that Manny will get tired after the initial 8-9 rounds and he can go for the kill after that. From his earlier trashtalk, it looked to me that Thurman is taking Manny a bit lightly. And that can be his undoing. If he loses this fight, then it can deliver a major setback to his professional career.

There is no wonder that pacman will stand as crowd favorite in any aspect from the experience and being a champ, thurman does not have. Aside from that speed and power still will be able to execute by a natural good player like pacman.

I am betting for a knock out in this match and I am in even numbers of round. So if thurman gets knock out on numbers 2,4,6,8,10 & 12 then I can have my win profit.

For me, yes, I agree with what you said, Pacquiao already proved his reputation to the boxing community and showed the respect of his opponent. Also, the skills and speed are still their even he is fighting against ten years older than him; I think we will win again, especially that Thurman is very hubristic. But yet, we will only know how will win after the fight.   :)

This seems to turn the people's choice now and i don't know how did it happen but i guess it is because of Thurman's previous fight that gives the people a choice to look at the difference between their statistics of Pacman and Thurman.

There is a chance that Pacman would knock Thurman if he would fight face to face with Pacman and we all know how good Pacman at close fights but i also believe that Thurman has a strong defense against on a head to head fight. So that makes the fight gets more interesting during their bout.

Manny is very ready to fight even right now. I just do hope that he won't overtrain as there are a lot of reports coming from Philippine media that Manny is already at the peak of his training already and as I have said can fight anytime, anywhere.

For me as the fight takes longer, I think it will favoured Pacquaio as he has the stamina and Thurman is not known for having a good gas tank.

Usually younger fighter has a better stamina but Pacquaio is an exemption, he hasn't slowed down on its movement in the ring but maybe the power was reduced a bit.

At this point in the career of Manny Pacquiao, I am not expecting a KO anymore. The most I am expecting is a unanimous decision in favor of Pacquiao.

That is to be expected because we are just a few days away from the bout. He will be reducing his sparring matches in preparation for the fight night.


That still needs to be proven. We will see on the fight night if he still has enough stamina to last fo12 rounds. I think Thurman's strategy is to move around a lot in the ring. That will require a lot of energy from Pacquiao to catch a younger fighter.

Definitely but if he can catch Thurman, it would Thurman who will loss some energy
Thurman publicly said that he will knock out Pacquiao, so he should be the aggressor in this fight, and that's what I want to see in the the fight night.

This turn of event is both amazing and mind-boggling. Look at where the money is flowing. It is flowing to Manny Pacquiao's side even if he is not young anymore inside the ring, not too hungry anymore to prove something, not too focused on boxing anymore as he has a lot of other things to attend to, and so on. On the other hand, a young, hungry, and undefeated Thurman is running out of bettors.

Is the inactivity factor the main reason?

Actually this is the toughest Fight Manny will face in his entire career,having undefeated and 10years younger opponent will bring the most challenging fight he will ever had

The truth is he is facing the difficulties of winning but knowing Manny Pacquiao?for sure he will bring everything he have to make Filipino proud again.win or lose?Pacman will be our champion

No, I do not agree. This is far from the toughest fight of Manny Pacquiao in all his long years of fighting inside the ring. But it's normal to say that the incoming fight is going to be the toughest. They say that every time he has a fight. That is one overused line that adds a little hype to the fight. But if you look at the odds, it is reflective of what kind of fight this is. The guy on the other side has went from the favorite to the underdog. This means a lot. This means an easier fight for Manny.

That changes in in the odds is a big statement that many still believe that Pacquiao is a better fighter on this fight and that he can dominate his opponent.
Odds are just sliding down, I'm not surprise if one day before the fight, line would be below 1.50 for Pacquiao.

I'm pretty sure this is an exciting fight and that everyone are already allocating some funds to bet in this fight.
It should be one of the greatest fight of Manny Pacquiao. :)

Odds update on sportsbet.io (https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/pacquiao-manny-thurman-keith-5ce3fc2560751da2fe8db062) for this fight:

Now: July 16, 2019

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As you can see on the odds now on sportsbet.io (https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/pacquiao-manny-thurman-keith-5ce3fc2560751da2fe8db062), it's totally flipped the odds of Manny Pacquiao Vs  Kieth Thurman since the beginning, seems really a lot of people into Manny Pacquiao now.
Really interesting odds, and 5 days left before the fight. With this kind of odds, they are really positive on Manny Pacquiao, I know there's a reason behind this big changes of odds since the beginning they open to bet for Pacquiao vs Thurman.

The only reason I believe is money, more money are betting on Pacquiao than Thurman so the line has to be adjusted.
In their real chances of winning, I think the early odds are more accurate but money can move the odds so let us not get too mislead with the odds changes.

I don't think it's only because of the money bet on Pacman. If the odds for Thurman rise but he finally wins, the bookmakers will have to pay much money to the bettors. So I really think the bookmakers are now predicting his loss.

July 5, 2019 (just for the record ;))
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Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142112.msg51712783#msg51712783

It’d really turns out that the fight really favor for Manny Pacquiao. I almost forgot to place my bet for manny last week even that there’s a slightly changes in odds. Still big difference becuase of that it’s hard to find someone IRL that has the power to bet for Keith.

Keith Thurman is confident he can "figure out" Manny Pacquiao-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKI5kiqca8


Thurman Versus Pacquiao: Can Thurman Turn The Odds And Knock Pacquiao Out?-
https://www.ibtimes.com/thurman-versus-pacquiao-can-thurman-turn-odds-knock-pacquiao-out-2806676

Right, but as you have said, Pacquaio is one of a kind fighter and even at his age, he has still bang and his punch has sting and have a good stamina.

And for the sake of argument that he is slowing down, I think he matures already and learn how not to spend his energy and save it for the needed spurts. I read that the average punch per round for a welterweight is 60++. Pacquaio slowed down for the last 4 to 5 fights averaging around 40 punch. But there are some rounds in the Broner fight that he threw around the average punch as per that division. So he became very efficient as well.

It's easy to say than doing it,  boxers have a lots of time reviewing their opponents style and to keep finding good style to take the edge of winning but from that point the opposing party also taking its time to find ways to counter the possibilities, new sets of combinations and new sets of training practices, it will be a good match seeing both fighters to be aggressive to win this match.

I still think that Manny is still capable of giving his opponent an amazing punch. Though he is more matured than Thurman but this won't be a hindrance from winning this fight because he still got the passion and fierce in boxing.Thurman may have been into a hard training but it won't be a guarantee that he can beat Manny this time.

Anything can happen when you are already in the ring which counter strategies would have some counters too thats why its been unpredictable.Thurman is way too confident on beating up Pacquiao but lets see if those words do have some power or just purely an empty air when they are already inside the ring.4 days left for the fight and preparation.
Favorites had been switched up but still the odds arent really that too far.

Yeah, but normally boxers target the weak habits of their opponents. those habits are hard to change. As the fight goes longer habits will come out. Just like how pacquaio throws knockout punches leading with his head. That is how Marquez koed him. When he went for the kill, he leaned forward with his head open. Marquez countered him. Thurman can study pacquiao and find  habits he can exploit as well.

Marquez was an expert counter puncher. That was his game. We have seen how he proved to be the best on it during his early fights with Manny Pacquiao. He was so convinced of his counter punching with their previous fights that he didn't believe to have lost to Manny even once. Well, the KO of Manny from Marquez was the latter's best counter punch in all their fights. Manny was faking a punch and Marquez caught him with a deadly blow.

Here is the first sit down with both of them- ONE TIME sounds real confident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzaD_Kp_GkM


https://i.imgur.com/70cVMkT.jpg

And you also have to consider that that ko was in their 4th fight. So marquez actually had the luxury of figuring out pacquaio 4 times. Something that thurman doesn't have. Though the kid is skilled and pacquiao's age is something he canntake advantage of, manny's experience would probably be enough to secure him a win. The problem is, this will only push the guy to continue fighting despite his age. A loss, i think, would be beneficial since he may have to consider retiring then.

He does sound confident all the time, I won't be surprise that every interview he will keep praising himself and underestimating Manny.
What I like to see is the post fight interview if Manny will win, maybe that time he will stop and accept his loss, but if he will be like Broner who says "I beat that boy" LOL..

I would not respect this guy anymore.

Damn, Pacquiao is actually looking quite old.

I'm actually going to have to say that Thurman has a better chance of winning now, Pacquiao looked slow in the vid.

I'd still give him the slightest edge now, 55% chance to win by UD.

I think even Manny Pacquiao is older than Thurman is doesn't mean that he have advatanges. That's only a video and we can see the real Manny in the boxing ring when he fight and Im really sure that he is still fast like before. But you are right high chance for Manny to win by UD but also I want to win him by KO.  4 days more we see who really win.

Dont be so confident because being old doesnt mean he's slow. The video can be edited or chooses the part which Manny has slow punches. I really believe that experience is the best investment in boxing and i know he will win the fight even with a 12 round boxing game. Manny is on shape now and i cant wait to see the results.

I checked Nitrogensports 2 days from the date of the event the odds are as follows

Manny Pacquiao -154

Keith Thurman +136

That means if you bet on Manny $100 USD, you will go home with $164 USD, unlike betting on Thurman, bet $100 USD, you go home $136 USD richer. What happened? Whats with the sudden turn of events?

Firstly, I don't see Pacman retiring without giving Amir Khan the fight he asked for and I don't see him retiring also without fighting Mayweather again to proof his worth.
With that been said, Manny experience won't give him an advantage of winning his fight against Thurman because Thurman have spent much of his previous years fighting people who are experienced than him and he could easily gather what he gained fighting to beat Manny.

 I feel sorry y'all which choose Manny as the winner.

It's hard to understand but maybe because Thurman is showing something like what Broner has done to overconfident and also people have seen the kind of training Manny has been doing, and Manny just said that he is really pissed of with Thurman, now we have never seen Manny got pissed of to any of his opponents, the pressure is on Thurman, he could end up another Broner.

If only we we're able to record the day to day change of the odds, the press release of both fighters and also the forecasts of boxing analysts, maybe we can figure it out. Thurman talks trash a lot, and it think he wants Manny to engage on talking trash but I don't see Manny doing that, he is just so kind and full of smiles but dangerous inside the ring.

I think you got it wrong. If those are the odds, you will have to bet $154 on Manny to win $100. As for Thurman, you will need to bet just $100 to be $136 richer. That's how those odds work.

Pacman no doubt became the legend boxer in his time up to the present in the entire world.
I saw how his life progress until He reached to became one of a billionaire boxer, and yet He has also have
a successful carrier in politics were He started from congressman now and one of the senators of His country.
Even his opponent is 10 years younger to Him, I think age does not matter and not a big deal. I am pretty
sure majority of the people's bet is for sure goes to Pacquiao fo course.

It took months and months of preparation before the fight and boxers and coaches are not only for training and practices because they are also into watching at studying the opponent in every single way so I guess that’s already given
The mistake of Pacquiao against Marquez is him being so aggressive and being confident because for how many times he had already beaten Marquez and he didn’t expect a single bout will bring him down

You might be right cause aggressive and overconfident act also leads to loss of a fighter which has already beaten down his opponent several time but I believe the act of not being calculative to guard the open spot when he throws his punches is the reason because if there's no open spot Marquez won't have had the chance to hit him hard.

I placed my bet on Pacman but still, we don't know what might happen. Pacquiao undeniably is a great fighter, but Thurman is too and as a proof he is undefeated until now. As I said in some of my posts, this is a challenge for Pacquiao, to determine whether he will be having a rematch, another fight or just hang his gloves.

Undercard ongoing on right now.

Inson vs Lipinets. I'm on Inson, well the bet is only with my cousin but I am hyped because well, he is one of my countrymen, a Filipino pride. Every minutes are passing and I am getting hyped for the main event.

Edit : Inson was KOed seconds before I posted this. He's still young and I know he will develop more. Round 2 KO by Lipinets.

I missed the undercard game since I just got home from work overtime too bad that one Filipino was knocked down but boxing goes that way one must down for the others to stand still

Anyway excited for the final bout and also for my bet with local friends ,this is what we do most of Pacquiao’s fight we are going to one another as friendly gambling and most of the time the winnings will go to Drinking and bar hopping after the fight even who’s the winner still he will pay for all the expenses

Even if Inson loses, I still feel good for him as he got paid really high even if he loses the game. That opportunity will surely give him some knowledge and experience to improve his self towards his new fights.

Considering that Lipinets is a very though opponents but it would be more fulfilling if he won the game.

Last match before the main event Figueroa Jr. Vs Ugas.

Not that interesting fight for me to be honest. No offense to their supporters it is just that there are a lot of well, intimate fight, if you know what I mean. My bet is on Ugas, hope he knockouts this undefeated guy so we can move on to the main event. Keith Thurman says he will not let his face touched by Pacquiao, I said he will not be touching it, he will be pummelling it will fast and solid punches, so hyped right now.

Congratulations, Manny!!!

You deserved the win!!! ;)

A really great fight even though Manny isn't able to knock out Thurman it is a very entertaining fight, in my opinion, Well at first Thurman had thought that he can take Pacquiao more aggressively but after Manny knocks him down he changes pace and the style of his stance was change so sudden after seeing how his fighting style will not work on Pacquiao, But as the fight progresses I guess Thurman had held his own until the last match but he can not outclass Manny Pacquiao with his young age and a far reach but Pacquiao had the experience in fighting Thurman,

So Congratulations to Pacquiao for this win, And I never saw him retire so soon after this victory but again, In my opinion, I think he had shown us more than enough. 

And congratulations also to those who bet on Pac Man! ;D It was really a good fight. I guess Thurman ate all the trashtalks he gave the fighting Senator before the fight. I guess he really underestimated Pac Man.

Even the hosts find the match favored to Pac Man. One of them (hosts) said that the judge who favored for Thurman was not watching very close, and that the "split decision" was ridiculous. I agree with him on that one. ;D But, after all what's been said and done, we can really see that they both performed well. Job well done for both fighters.

He was able to held his ground because Manny got tired already. A indication that age has caught up with him, or he probably over-trained. Manny proved that he still had the chin, it held against Thurman's best shot. The problem is that he gas out.

I don't think he will retire yet, probably will go back as Senator and do his duties until someone called him up again and says that they are the 'legend killer', lol.

Anyways, the whole Philippines is celebrating and Manny will be waiting for a hero arrival here.

Well apparently Pacquiao is not the type to really hold back from a fight and never gonna hold back when someone challenges him, So he may never retire for the time being his career in boxing If he can still do it he will still fight for the glory of his country, But for me it is really a great time for him to really retire in his boxing career because like you have said there are many young fighters that caught up to his age, But that is his decision to make, And I think he is training his son to be a boxer right now I guess he is preparing for this until his legacy to pass the baton to another champion, But again if he would concede from his boxing career I guess it will be OK for his fan for him to do this And focus more on his government duties.

I could not watching live match because it wasn't available on my local channel tv and only can watching through youtube for the first round when Pacquiao knock out Thurman and apparently after that Pacquiao can dominated almost for every rounds

He did dominate in the early rounds but in the later rounds it was Thurman, if the fight goes round 15 if possible, LOL.. Pacquiao might loss as he got tired.
The result was a split decision because Thurman was agressive in the 7th round and onward and I think it was judge fairly.

Yeah, the knockdown in the first round gives Pacquiao a huge point on that, and if that never happens I think that Pacquiao might lose. But on the other side, I think Pacquiao just play surely because of what happens in the first round and not aggressively. Anyways good fight and congrats to Manny Pacquiao.

You should have continue to watch because apparently the fight is close around the middle round and Thurman won some of those rounds.

However, it was not enough though, as Pacquiao shows why he is a 8 division champ and withstand the pressure from Thurman, specially that body shot in 10th if i'm not mistaken.

So congrats for a well deserved win from the fighting senator of the Philippines and all those who bet for Pacquiao.

An 8 division champion vs an undefeated boxer? It's quite a good fight.
I only watch it on facebook live and it gives me goosebump because I'm waiting for Manny Pacquiao to knocked out Thurman. Pacman deserved that win and hoping that he will focus on his job.

People got questions on how this one becomes split decision where its clear that Manny dominates most of the rounds.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/07/21/19/the-right-man-won-but-questions-arise-over-pacquiao-thurman-split-decision

Personally, I think it's a close fight because Thurman in hitting in the 2nd half of the fight, I think we should not question the judges and we should be happy that he won the fight, I can say that it's a hard fight for Manny as Thurman is not backing down like his previous opponents, and with that, he gained respect from Manny.

I'm with the same race of Manny and wanted to be not biased here. I supported Manny Pacquiao on his fight and bet on him but I think it's a close fight. If they really watch the whole fight, Pacman also received heavy blows on Thurman, that's why it's split decision. Actually, Pacman can lose the fight if he didn't knock out him on the first round of the fight via unanimous decision because Thurman is a title holder.

Yeah, that question hits me as well, but still reasonable as he gave 114-113 in favor of thurman, a one point ahead, that's why the game come up with a split decision with one in favor of him.
Only to give him lesson, is don't make your own result while you still face the enemy in the ring.

This is expected for a great fight, we know Thurman has a clean record and this fight makes a first loss for him but we can't question the willingness of Manny to win the title and to inform the world that he is still fit to fight. Manny deserve the win, we saw that and if Manny decides to fight again for sure he will still win the fight, he's still strong at his age right now.