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To be honest i'm shocked because i don't have any idea about this merit trading group (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153507.msg51440522#msg51440522) that they were talking about. Basically he were claming that around 30 people was into a merit trading group. I'm not even one of them. I just posted my own opinion about them and i said this doesn't mean all of that people in that group and i just said there is no solid evidence enough to blame (to all those people) in my opinion for merit trading.

I just wanted to share my opinion about other people eventhough it wasn't my problem. But Mindrust loves to attack a lot of people without solid proof, that was what i meant by writing my own opinion. Since when do users get a red trust just  because they wrote their own opinion about other people or a subject?  I mean, does he really think he can give red trust to anyone that doesn't agree with him? Narcissistic behaviour.

He slandered to these users who is in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149443.msg51295332#msg51295332)


I said: 'Ortada hiçbir kanıt yok çünkü seçime katılan hiçbir üye o bahsettiğin grupta değil.'


https://i.imgur.com/pYqlZnj.png

I wrote a full sentence that i translated above. He cut half of it and suddenly decided to give me a red trust by crossing my words. He is saying that i encouraged merit trading by writing this sentence(above). What the hell? I never encourage this type of things and this sentence is totally irrelative. Users like Mindrust doesn't deserve to be a DT member if they are not fair enough when it comes to use their power.  Kindly help me to solve this problem..

This flag is a retaliatory and unjustified use of the flag system.That doesn't mean I think your premise is wrong, just that this is not what the trust system is for. Remove it and I will consider reviewing the accusation against you. Thanks.

EDIT: Matthias9515 has taken the first step toward reconciliation and preservation of the integrity of the trust system by removing his support for this flag, which to me speaks well of his intent. I suggest anyone reading this should review this flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=296) on him, which at this time I believe to be unjustified, and vote on it.

Just because we had an argument a few week ago, suddenly Mindrust showed up again and decided to give me a red trust. For me, i’ve already left that argument in past. I don’t understand why Mindrust are obsessed and still looking for reasons to give me a red trust even after weeks. Just because i wasn’t agree with what you are saying? Just because i said that one irrelevant person’s mistake doesn’t show that another 30 people were also guilty? It is not fair to give someone a “red trust” just because they wrote their own opinion. My words don’t even close to encouraging merit farming/ trading. Every healthy person can see that easily.

Yes, we had an argument in the past but you need to stop your hatred.

You’ve already removed your support for the flag because you know your accusations are just wrong. Here I publicly want you to put your hatred away, leave the argument behind. And remove the red trust, because everyone knows that i don’t deserve it.

Didn't read the OP yet, but still I would be very surprised mindrust would create a flag when its not appropriate, he's one of the members that has my highest respect in is always honest with his posts and his vision/thought towards BTC and other forum members, I will also look to your post a little later, cause not to much time atm....

But I just wouldn't see him do anything thats not in line with the forum....  :-\

Honestly i was also thinking the same thing about his vision and i invited him to join the local election for to be a DT member. And i voted for him.
But after that he showed up and suddenly started blame all of the 30 people that joined the election. He showed a screenshot that only ONE PERSON is talking about sending merit to other people.

Just because one person was talking about sending merits to others, how can you tell everyone is guilty? It is senseless.

For example i’ve never seen that group in my life. I wasn’t the accused person and that wasn’t my problem. But still, i wanted to share my own opinion about what’s happening there.
And i just said I don’t see any solid proof because this image doesn’t show anything about all of that 30 people. It includes only one person. So blaming everyone is weird.

I didn’t agree with Mindrust and i said this screenshot doesn’t prove that all of the 30 people are guilty. There is only ONE PERSON was talking in that image.
How can you judge everyone? How can you blame even innocent/ irrelevant people?

Just look at why he gave me a red trust. He is trying to cross my words. My words don’t even close to encouraging merit farming/ trading. It’s very clear that i don’t deserve this.

Mindrust withdrew his support for the original flag against Matthias9515 over this issue. Logic dictates that then the trust rating is also not valid since it was left over the same issue.

Matthias9515, I would recommend you delete your negative rating for Mindrust and be the bigger man here. I think a neutral rating would be appropriate if you feel it is absolutely necessary, but I think much like with the flag withdraw, it shows your intent toward reconciliation rather than retaliation, and would go a long way in motivating Mindrust as well as others around him that he should reciprocate and also remove his rating for you.

Thank you Tecshare for your common sense for both parties.

I want him to left behind his personal problems with me. He is clearly abusing his power by giving me red trust for no reason.

I’m willing to solve this problem but i’m not sure if Mindrust has the same common sense. Since i’m not sure if i can trust him after all, i’ve deleted the negative rating and i gave him a neutral trust instead.

I believe it’s clear that i honestly don’t deserve to get a red trust just because of all this. I‘ve already asked before but i’m telling again; i want him to remove the red trust.

I’m willing to delete even the neutral trust right after when he removes this unfair red trust.
I might have some arguments with any user in anytime but i never hold grudge against them. And i don’t look for reasons to blame them after couple weeks of the argument. I believe everyone is free to release their own opinion. That was what i only did, i don’t deserve a red trust at all.
I expect Mindrust to realize this red trust is just unfair. I’m waiting for him to delete the red trust in order to fix this issue.

You deserve the red trust  got by Mindrust.

You're an unreliable man who slanders everyone easily at the Turkish local forum.You are not liked by many in the Turkish local forum. Mindrust is right to the end when he does this. A lot of people in the Turkish local forum don't trust you, especially me.

You have a bad character. You constantly cause chaos and debate at the Turkish local forum. And you enjoy this chaos.

Who are you exactly bro? Chill. Your jealousy is killing you slowly because you’re the one who talks silly things constantly. Matthias is one of the respected persons in the Turkish local. And Mindrust also deserves the respect from community. But you are totally no one. Let them talk to fix this unjustified rating.

The trust system is not to punish people you don't like, who upset you, or you don't agree with. The trust system exists to help protect people from fraud. Mindrust's rating is not justified, and the fact that he doesn't even bother to defend his position says to me he doesn't even really believe the accusation he made himself.

This guy Matt is a big liar and a (probably) merit trader/abuser. Don't have the evidences for that but since he is siding with PHI since the beginning my suspicions are growing.

If you were so clean why did you nearly delete all the latest posts of yours after 31/05/19, may I ask? You were so happy when I was standing against merit trading in the Turkish local and you and your mob were lynching me for that.

I archived what I could and here are some gems of yours:

http://archive.is/3xlnY


PHI was in that group. (Is there any chance Mete E. was you?) What was that a bingo? How fun.

https://i.imgur.com/6gGZG7u.png

Fatih-PHI is clearly a merit trader/circler:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1071136

And this guy siding with PHI. If he sides with a merit trader, he is not to be trusted.

He also deleted almost all of his latest posts where he accused me for all kinds of things including being a multi accounter, enemy of the Turkish people, Lauda's bitch and so on. I saved some:

https://archive.is/7jmXf
https://archive.is/LQGAF

He is playing the nice guy now like nothing has happened. Be a man and take responsibility for what you did.

I am not letting someone like you going away freely encouraging merit trading among the Turkish people. The forum is already in a very bad shape.

He even uses a trust rating from a Roger minion just to back his claims...

How degenerate could someone be for doing smth like this?

I am pretty forgiving but I can't let that one go.

You seem you don’t even know what you are doing. First, you deleted the flag. Now you came to tell you won’t let him go. If you start accusing a bunch of people just because of another one person’s fault of course some people will come to ask you where is the proof for all the people that you’re easily throwing shade? And how do you blame your own people when there is no proof that they ALL are bad guys? Do you think to blame everyone should be that easy?

These people don’t know to read Turkish and it’s easy for you come up with your statement here. But how do you convince the ones who understand the whole conversation between you and him? Because we know you’re out of line by giving red trust and you have some personal problems and anger for Matthias.
Does he defends merit farming? No. Does he says PHI did a good job? No.
The only think he is saying how do you blame another 30 people in the election? Many of them have no idea about the merit conversation and that telegram chanel.
He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action on that thread. He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in in his life.

Multiple times Mati said he had no idea about this group and he told you at least bring some proof for the other people that you blamed without reason. His statement was very reasonable for a person who reads everything objectively.

Do you think we would blame you just because one of those people that you talked from this forum somehow were talking about to create a group for merit stuff? No. As far as i know, that conversation in that image belongs to one and half year ago.

Matthias wasn’t even the accused person there. Seems like his only fault that defending the justice for irrelevant people that you were accusing in very hostile way. He only told you to bring evidence for the other people that you started to blame so we can believe your argument with a clear conscience, right?

Btw most of us were surprised when you shared your bad opinions about the Turkish community. I mean, who wouldn’t?

Being a DT member does’t mean you can throw negative ratings just because someone didn’t share the same perspective/opinion with you. We don’t have to agree you. We have right to ask questions when there is a need the things to be more clear. Throwing shade is easy.

I hope other DT members are more fair and more reasonable than you. Otherwise this forum would be full of people who give red trusts just because some person cursed them in the middle of an argument and ask questions about their judgement. Lol. It’s a pity.

PS: Hope i also don’t get a red trust or a flag after i dare to disagree with Holy Mindrust.

Was PHI in that telegram chat or not?

Do you argue against it? If you don't argue against it what are you talking about?

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Those 30 people I don't care about. It is lauda's list and it is a business between those 30 people and lauda. In that Turkish thread I have a post saying:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153279.msg51452312#msg51452312

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People who encourage merit trading are not to be trusted, just like account sellers.

^
That is true, I avoid merit traders etc as well....

Then again mindrust isn’t the guy thats gonna accuse someone for nothing, i’m almost read and post with mindrust every day in the same place and I can only say good of him....

Also many deleted Posts are a bit shady imo, and mindrust wouldn’t make it up as he has nothing to gain from it...

The OP pm’d me very kind to take a look as he Said mindrust is unfair, I think mindrust is right and I as he Said merit trading is a NO GO !

Keep the forum clean! I hope mindrust comes with a hard evidence as i’m not Turkisch speaking myself and i’m on my phone right now ::)

@Mindrust

Please, read carefully mate. You don’t even listen or you don’t even bother to read properly. You only see what you want to see.

He didn’t say anything about PHI’s action. He was talking generally for other people. And his words are clear and he were only saying this is not a proof for that 30 people.
He said those 30 people don’t related this merit thing as far as he knows them. And he said that he’s never been that kind of groups in his life.


Now you are acting like we said PHI did a great job. Matthias were talking for everyone in the local community that were accused in the thread. You also know that from your heart but you’re just angry because he said bad things to you instead of talking in calm way.

This is the only problem that i saw here. Matthias is a respected and helpful member. He is constantly trying to good things no one can deny that. Smart guy and he has a good heart.
I know the whole thing and i know the whole conversation between you and him or in the related threads. He almost knows every detail about this forum and he never cross the lines.

As i said before, seems like his only fault to curse you in the middle of an argument and questioning your statements. That’s not a reason to give him a negative rating. That’s your personal problems between you and him. You gave him a red just because you’re pissed off and you’re telling him to be man?? Really?

He doesn’t deserve a red trust. There are hundreds of people which suits better for a negative rating. Mati is not one of them.
 
I don’t think so but still I hope you can see the whole thing from another perspective, objectively.

Alright.

We'll have to go back to the basics.

Please tell me what you understand from this sentence:

So you have admitted you have no evidence against him and only suspicions and guilt via association. He has already removed his negative rating for you, you are now the one making accusations without evidence by your own admission. This is not what the trust system is for. You are already abusing the tiny amount of authority you have received. The trust system is to protect people from fraud, not to penalize people for things you disagree with or suspect without evidence. You seem to me like the classic little man authoritarian who can't restrain himself from abusing even tiny amounts of authority. I think you will find this kind of behavior catches up with you.

I don't have evidence of him being a merit trader.

He is clearly encouraging it.

Did you even read my post?

It’s crystal clear that he is saying there is no proof for the other accused 30 people. This words are not about PHI.

“No member of the election is in that group” = 30 People

Those 30 people that you’ve suddenly started to blame by posting this” holy shit they all are really merit traders” (or something similar to this). Eventhough that image does not show anything about those other members. It’ shows PHI were texting with someone we don’t even know.

Obviously these words are not about PHı. Mati is talking about the election was clean. He defends the election, not PHI.
He knows the election is clean because he’ve sent a PM almost every single member in the Turkish section and invited them to join. Including you.
Now you’re blaming this guy for nothing eventhough he didn’t do anything wrong by his actions.

The only problem is his behaviour because he cursed you in that talk. He should’ve told his opinion without insult. And you can not give negative ratings just because someone insulted you with the anger in the middle of an argument.

At least, try to calm down and reconsider this whole thing. He clearly doesn’t deserve this.

 

According to you he is "clearly encouraging" merit trading. I don't see that at all. Furthermore this is completely subjective and open to interpretation, conveniently for you. You are are being an authoritarian right now like a rent a cop in a mall who can't manage to restrain himself with his tiny amounts of power. You go ahead and keep acting like this you will find yourself on the receiving end very shortly. You still have a chance to act with respect and reason and withdraw the accusations you can not support. You could also play your little power hungry games and see how that works out for you. I predict not well.

I'll have to break it word by word for you.

No member of the election

There was 20 members in the election, not 30.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149443.msg51295332#msg51295332

Lauda's list has more than 20 people. It is 30 people
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.msg51425973#msg51425973

is in that group

PHI was in that group and he is an admin of the telegram channel, organizing this.

There is no evidence

The evidence is the screenshot. As you clearly see in the ss, PHI is the admin there. That's why his minions are desperately supporting him.

I thought about this pretty well. That's why I delayed the rating for days.

20 or 30. I didn’t count them one by one. I remember the number because i’ve read it somewhere.
I speak this language and be sure i don’t need no one to explain the meaning to me.
Okay if PHI is the admin. Why giving Mati a red because he knows PHI from forum like everyone does in the turkish section. Mati already said that he never joined that group and doesn’t know anything about it.

You delayed it because you were thinking about how to get revenge on him. After few weeks you come up with this joke.

Even a 5 year old person could understand Mati is talking about the election and not defending the PHI. Or he’s not defending the merit trading.

And he is not alone with his statements. This fake rating doesn’t take anything from his good sides. It only shows that you’re a vindictive person who the first thing he does is giving a negative rating to someone you had an argument.

You’re still blaming of those “20” people by saying them PHI’s minions. Lol. It shows how reliable you’re when you still throwing shade without any proof of them.

Be sure i don’t even know PHI in person or his mates. I don’t need to be “someone’s minion” to tell the truth, objectively. I don’t even defend him. PHI is not the subject here.
I did not even vote for anyone in that election. To be honest i don’t even care the elections or merit things. The only thing that i care to use this forum without bothering anyone.

But still my conscience is telling me to step forward and say this whole negative ratings and throwing flags to each other unjustified. Because I am free to tell my own opinion and i don’t have to agree with your broken judgement.

You also were one of the members that i’ve been reading and impressed. Somehow I know you will understand this negative rating is not necessary. I wish now but you seem so stubborn.

Your accusations about Mati is not fair and they don’t reflect the truth. He never defends merit trading or this type of stuff.

20 or 30, it just shows how serious you are when following this topic and what happened.

Revenge for what? Him supporting a merit trader?

You didn't even read his deleted posts while now you are making all these judgements.

https://i.imgur.com/TeV9S52.png

You are full of shit.

quick mati delete that shit now

@Mindrust

20 or 30, yes. I don’t have to count them, i gave you an approximate number because i’ve read it somewhere.  I don’t have to read all over it again because i was already there since the beginning. I already know every detail about this thing. The things that he deleted doesn’t change anything. We’ve all seen them already.

And i am still saying that he never protects or defends this kind of things. And i also know that you know his intentions is good from the beginning. He were trying to do good for turkish section to chose some respected and helpful members. We’re here to learn and improve. We’re not here to throw shades each other.

Unfortunately you just seem very vindictive because this whole thing is absurd. It’s so clear that he is very innocent.
You give someone o negative rating when you directly see them doing those shady merit stuff or saying outloud merit trading/farming is very normal things etc. BUT you can not accuse someone just because he asked to see a proof about those “20 minions”.

Seems like you don’t even realize your position requires you to be transparent and fair. It requires you to think and decide objectively. For now, you look like someone who is searching for reasons to get revenge on someone that you fight just because you don’t share the same perspective.
 
I don’t have any personal problems with you and i know you also a smart guy. But totally disagree with you on this subject.
No one has to be in the same page with you just because you became a DT member. We will always share our own opinion in a free way. This forum is not “ your father’s land “ so you shouldn’t abuse your power.

EDIT. I’m not full of shit. No one has to agree with you. Did you also gave a negative rating the others that opposed that flag? NO.
So it proves that you’re only trying to hunt down Matthias with your obsessive vindictive behaviour.

Good luck with that. I would never count on someone like you. You don’t even know what yourself is doing. You didn’t even come to this thread until Tecshare told that it proves that you know you’re not right about this whole thing. .
Now you are showing us small weird things.

He is not just disagreeing he is openly defending his actions.

You just said that you didn't see him favoring PHI's actions yet here I showed you that he is clearly disagreeing with a perfectly valid flag.

Why would anyone trust your judgements now?

It’s funny you are saying that you gave him a red just because he OPPOSED your glorious flag?
OH NOOO. I guess we shouldn’t use this “oppose” option at all, apparently some people think that they can give a red to the people who clicks on that. Lol. Why there is an oppose button if we are not gonna use it freely?
Your logic works pretty bad at the moment.

I feel very sad about what’s happening here. I still hope that you will find a way to evaluate things from an onjective perspective and try to be fair.

This is what is called circular logic, and is a logical fallacy. I claimed X, and he claimed Y, because X is true, Y is proof of X. You don't get to use the fact that people disagree with you as an excuse to negative rate and flag people. That is not how it works. You are not infallible and people disagreeing with you is not irrefutable proof they are complicit. Your rating is invalid and your logic is flawed. You can either correct the mistake you made, or don't and end up being corrected yourself. Your power can be taken away as quickly as it was given to you.

I don't think just opposing or supporting a trust flag should be a reason to red tag someone, this is also not supported by theymos.

Red tagging over merit transactions without convincing proofs is also an indication of flawed judgement overall. ( the proves presented at least on this thread are not convincing )

Also red tagging someone over some argument which did not ended well is also not the correct use of trust system and is a clear cut abuse.

I can't speak about other instance's but as per I see, mindtrust has a totally flawed judgement here and his red trust on the OP is not justified.

The mentioned post of Matthias9515 does not promote trade in merit in any way.

Mindrust gave the red flag because he disagreed with an opinion of Matthias9515.
Other opinions should be accepted and other opinions should not be marked with a red flag! It is more than unfair to use the red flag as grossly negligent!

Mindrust should withdraw this red flag.

hes a fucking moron,hes following the footsteps of the gang members of lauda,judgemental like them without enough proof/evidence.If there are no flag sytem sureely hes going to negged the OP.What a freakin abuser of the system.Suspicious people doesnt mean they are scammers like you think its like shooting first then ask questions later.

That is 100% true

Though the claim is that merit trading is been encouraged and that would be worth a flag if that is the case....

Multiple times you said you haven’t checked the whole thread yet. Are you sure that you’ve read what is happening here properly?

This person just said that he doesn’t see any proof because rest of the members in the election is not involved in that group (as far as he knows)
He doesn’t even talking about merit trading, he is just defending the elections in the local. Because in that thread they were talking about anyone in the election might related with the PHI’s group. They confused the two different things.
He said that the people in the election is not a group, election were natural. Your friend Mindrust became a DT member thanks to that election. Matthias is the one who invites him to join.
Look how flawed Mindrust’s judgement is. Mindrust knows Matthias is a free person and he takes his steps by himself. Not with some stupid groups.

Mati asked for proof for other people. Because Mindrust is clearly posted this “oh they are really created a group” just by looking at a screenshot of PHI is talking someone we don’t even know.
Mati said that he has no idea about anything for merit farming etc.

Do you really believe his words mean supporting merit trading???

No one can take away the right of free speech of ours. You are obviously try to prevent people to speak their opinion in a free way. No one has to agree with Mindrust’s subjective judgements. Are you aware of that?
You can tag a person when he really harmed someone or abused the system. There is LITERALLY NOTHING to give a red trust Matthias here.
The only abuser is Mindrust right now. No one else.

I understand you’re here to support your best mate’s claim but at least try to be fair. Because you’re also a DT member. It means you must be fair and reasonable.
Mindrust is clearly abusing the trust system for his personal vendetta. It’s pathetic.
Theymos would be proud ;D

You don't even seem like you've read this thread.

Seems like problem is solved, hope this kind of things won’t happen again.

Thank you all for the help.

Big thanks to Tecshare. You are a reliable man, you took your time to read this thread objectively since the beginning. We need more people like you.

And thanks Mindrust for reconsidering this thing again.

I’ll lock the thread now.

I requested the thread to be re-opened so I could bring something to light. Apparently Mindrust has not learned anything from this encounter, and is now excluding me from his trust list. While he has every right to do so, this is clearly retaliatory for me exposing his politically based abuses of the trust system. I just wanted everyone who gives him that authority on the default trust list to know he still hasn't learned his lesson, and continues to abuse his moderate amount of authority with punitive acts of retribution. The trust system is not a game for you to rank up in and punish people who upset you. It is to help protect people from fraud. Stop abusing it like a child with a toy.

I removed his rating go cry somewhere else.

Your exclusion isn't (only) related to this.

I excluded you before too. (Now I am sure) You are almost always siding with a known multi accounter/account seller quickseller, and acting like a lawyer for scammers.

Are you a multi accounter who likes to trade merits? Better call TECSHARE, he'll give you the best defense money could buy.

I am not trusting someone like you. My trust list is my own business.

Your motives are transparent. All you are doing is exposing yourself further as unable to handle the responsibility of the tiny amount of authority you have. You enjoy making further false accusations and dig your hole as deep as you like. All you are doing is hurting your own reputation. Your frivolous accusations don't scare me.

I think there's a pretty big difference between a misinformed/partially incorrect statement and actually having multiple accounts and trading merits between them.

This is incorrect.

A person's trust list is, by design, affects the entire community. Its purpose is to affect the public trust network. A person's trust list influences the community policy of whose trust ratings are shown by default.

If you are unwilling to have your decisions put under public scrutiny, you should not have a trust list. Ditto if you are unwilling to defend your actions publicly. 

I didn't really say it for this one event. It is a general statement. His past actions made me come to this conclusion. There many of them and no matter how strong the evidence is he is opposing those flags which makes me to distrust him. As clear, as it gets. And I see I am not alone in this.

Yes, of course this is a total coincidence you excluded me a day after I brought attention to your abusive rating of Matthias9515, and you removed it right? You could have walked away from this having the respect of everyone, instead you just threw that in the trash and dug your hole even deeper. Your intent is transparent. You have made it clear to every one you do not belong on the default trust by your own behavior.

 ;D ;D

Well.. maybe he excluded you from his trust list because you are not trustworthy at all ?
Supporting falsely created flags, opposing valid and necessary flags (e.g. against quickscammer), trolling , illogical statements to protect scammer and fraudster, etc..

IMO there are tons of reasons to distrust you. In fact, you are trying to abuse the trust system to your favor.


You received the most fitting neutral trust rating i have ever seen:

So predictable. All the butt hurt clusters into one throbbing hemorrhoid to reassure each other. You are just another person upset I exposed your act of fraud (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157747.msg51657639#msg51657639), by your own admissions no less. A group of frauds and trust system abusers getting together doesn't change the facts no matter how much you think people are buying your horse shit. If his rating and flag for Matthias were so valid why did he remove it? Again, your quote is from yet ANOTHER trust system abuser (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153820.0) I called out. You people are pathetically predictable. My reputation is not under debate here, mindrusts is. This is all just a pathetic act of retribution on both of your parts. That's fine. You keep pointing fingers and I will keep breaking them until you put them away.

So why are you still trying to abuse the system together with quickscammer if you admit that it doesn't change the facts ?




I wouldn't call that - what you have - 'reputation'.




Woa.. is this a threat ?
Since i have to live in fear now, you did clear damage to my mental health.. You broke an implied agreement to not damage each other.. Can i start a flag against you now? :)

This is nonsense. Nobody can be forced into pointless arguements with people like yourself.

I don't even like Quickseller. I also don't like people who abuse their authority. I do like systems to protect individual rights, which is why I called all of you out, because you all are using the trust system as your little toys and tools of retribution. That is the great thing about individual rights, it doesn't matter how much of a popularity contest you run, or how much you demonize people, everyone still has them. The fidelity of the trust system is far more important than your little political squabbles and compulsive need to punish people for trading in goods you don't like.

LOL

Bullshit. Anybody - even escrow scammers and hypertrolls and other sewage - can and should use trust lists.

That is not bullshit. I acknowledge that you do not want to have to answer to poor decisions, however I am not wrong. If you don’t want to have to answer to your decisions regarding your trust list, you can not use a trust list.

I don't think TECSHARE is abusing the trust system by helping people to solve there reputation issue here. You could see a decent example in this thread itself.


He is already more reputed than you in many factors here, your act of breaking a well agreed contract shows how many people would trust you with any info.




No you can't, that is total bullshit anyways. ???

You're missing the point, Sparky. You can bark all you want - nobody can be obligated to "answer" that, nor can you take away the ability to use trust lists. You can however exclude the person who you think is not fit to be in the trust system and I don't give a shit if you "answer" for that exclusion or not, although you can "answer" if you wish. Freedom.

But you know all that, you're just stirring shit up, as usual.

Sure, you can refuse to answer questions about your trust list, and pretend that the questions and problems don’t exist, but doing so will reflect poorly on you.

It seems he has already forgotten the first thing I had done in this conflict was ask Matthias to remove his flag and rating for Mindrust. I have no loyalties to anyone in this conflict. My loyalties are to the proper functioning of the trust system as intended. Of course this doesn't fit well with his narrative of slander and deceit, so he is going to just skip over that part.