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Anyone interested in the best pre-season tournament? First game tomorrow: Fiorentina vs Guadalajara (meh), but next Wednesday we have Arsenal vs Bayern Munich.

I’ll watch some of the games of course. I’m always bored in the off season & looking to get my fix by picking up some friendlies. I’ve already watched Liverpool’s two games so far but against admittedly weak opposition.

This tournament sounds new to me. How does a team qualify here? Or is it just through invitation by tournament organizers? I wonder why FC Barcelona is not in the mix.

I'm going to watch some games. But probably we will see most clubs playing with young players because teams are only starting pre-season and their main stars got more time to rest. And this year there are less teams, we won't see clubs like Liverpol, Man City, Barcelona or Borussia playing there
Clubs are invited to this tournament. Barca played previous few years, but this time they chose to travel to Japan.

This tournament is always known for the big surprises happening.The reason for that is that most European teams don't take this seriously and they consider this as a training phase before the official European leagues start in August and September.Other less known teams have won against big names in this tournament.

I had completely forgotten about this competition till I saw this thread, I’ll see Manchester United matches hoping for a change in the way they play. Liverpool is in red hot form first match they score 6 goals, and next they scored three goals it seems like they’re mentally playing in the premier league.


@swogerino precisely the reason why one should avoid gambling on this tournament, however don’t you’ll think we can place bets on Liverpool or Real Madrid surely one of them has to win the cup?.

Definitely gonna look into it And if Tottenham Hotspur will continue their reign as Champion, And will watch the announcement first before taking a deep digesting on what's gonna be a possible outcome for the matches,

Aside from Tottenham to become Champion again this year is if Marco Asensio and Alexandre Lacazette would be the top scorer of the game, So Looking forward if Tottenham can make a defense on their title.

You never know so it is better to be safe rather than sorry.I know when I was working in the Balkans many persons there like gambling a lot especially in these kind of events and a few of them lost a lot of money from betting large amounts of money.

I have restricted my betting on only events which are taken more seriously.

Definitely going to watch Arsenal - Bayern and I'm placing a bet for Bayern to win with 2-1.
I know they've absolutely slaughtered Arsenal back in 2016, but don't think it's going to be that easy for them now.

Well, since this is pre-season, the results will be so unpredictable. It's difficult to watch football lately as a Manchester United fan. This team is a joke! *sorry for the rant...

Anyway, looking from the participants, I think Real Madrid has the biggest chance to win this tournament. Their 3rd or 2nd tier squad still can compete with the like of United. :D

Every pre-season match of the International Champions Cup is certainly very much awaited. Although sometimes the results are not the main thing. At least with this preseason, each team will always be ready to face the real season. I am interested in watching Real Madrid.

LOL its been the same for me, I have become disinterested in everything regarding football because of Manchester United,  but let's see how the season turns up. With the ICC since it's mainly a friendly tournament where teams will be testing out new tactics and their new players, anything can actually happen.

for us it will start 17/07 im really happy and im wainting for Juventus sari and as a Juventus fan, i will say Juventus will get the title :) idk if new players will play

It will be fun to watch all the matches, Because most participating clubs play well and have the best players, I think all matches will be better. The winner of this tournament will be determined by the feet inside the stadium.

Fiorentina helped me get my first big win of the season last night, so yay! Parlayed them with a Champions League qualifier. Great odds considering the gulf between the two teams.

I've always thought of this tourney as a strange one but I fancy an Arsenal 4/1 upset. They will be rested, and hopefully angry at last season. Bayern start the season weaker than they ended the previous, losing Ribery, Robben, Hummels... still a strong team for sure and maybe the younger squad average is better for them long term but they will need the time.

Be careful betting on this little competition guys. There are lots of surprises in pre season, coaches use it to get players fit & try different formations etc. It’s not really about winning ultimately so there will be weird results. Just be careful, little warning.

You heard him, guys. So, unless you're an experienced sports bettor (like @buwaytress), I'd recommend to stay away from betting on this cup, or at least don't risk too much money.

Now back to tonight's game, Bayern usually trashes Arsenal in official competitions. Against Bayern, The Gunners have a record of 3W-1D-7L, but interestingly enough, the last time both teams met was in a friendly (first time both teams faced each other in a friendly), it was in the 2017 International Champions Cup, the game ended with a draw in FT but Arsenal won in the penalty shootout. Maybe we'll see the same story later today?

Agree, as it is a pre-season, all the teams possibly try to use new formations even if it is an International Champions Cup.
This will make the result to be unpredictable, new formations or strategy may be effective or not.

It is very unfortunate for you. Manchester United era has been already over, so why don't you move to another team?   :D
Anyway, don't burden it with a hopeless expectation.  ;D

Indeed. Real Madrid will begin the season with a title on International Champions Cup. As a Real Madrid fan, I am very grateful for your prediction.  :D

I see that this tournament use by the club as a warm-up before the local leagues in each country started, so the possibility that the team would not play with full team or could be said would not take seriousl. Seeing the teams playing I bet 3 teams to be favourite like Liverpool Madrid and Hotspur

It’s 100% going to be used as a warm up for local domestic leagues. The real prizes are handed out at the end of the season not before it’s started ;)

I always bet small on every game really, the real betting money I put on is generally on a few teams, and a few games throughout a season. And I'd definitely not consider myself super experienced, as I don't have the insight nor the knowledge a lot of other tipsters do. If you don't believe me, look at my performance in the BCT superbru pools. Right at the bottom.

Oh but hey, Arsenal did win ;)

Tottenham was crowned the winner of last year tournament which I actually lost my bet when I thought that my favorite team would win, but I think I am all in for this year’s bet man, and I am no scared of placing my bet again on real Madrid even if it means me betting with my last money, real Madrid to me has proven themselves ready to win this tournament and I know that they will sure do.

Their first match is on the 20th of JULY against Bayern, and who is Bayern for them to give the first defeat of the tournament and I think this is where I will start rolling in so much money because I have already placed my bet for this match too which I am certain that real Madrid will win.

It's already started!
I was bore AF 🤪

No Liverpool less fan LOL


Anyway, back to the discussion - three upcoming match and my rough prediction:

Man Utd vs Inter Milan : Man Utd
Benfica vs Guadalajara : Benfica
Arsenal vs Fiorentina : Fiorentina or possibly a draw.

Well, congrats on your win (:

I don't know man...As crazy as it sounds, Ashley Young and Phil Jones are still part of the Man Utd squad (lol), and that defence against Conte's new team might get exposed. Although, it is true that the Inter players are still adapting to the manager's tactics so Man Utd could capitalize on that. As of now, bookies are favoring Man Utd.

I would not be surprised if Man Utd do not win this match. Coach will definitely take this opportunity to experiment his players before the major league starts however if we consider the record and recent performance then Man Utd should win this match.

Manchester United will definitely win their match against Inter Milan, as they have a stronger team which includes superstar Pogba. Young and Jones certainly won’t start they’ll be on the bench, I’m excited to see Manchester United new players on the pitch it’ll be their first real test of the season. Inter Milan defenders will be under lots of pressure tomorrow as they’ll not be able to handle the raw pace of Rashford, Greenwood, Martial and James.

We will find out in the next few hours. Man Utd vs Inter is starting in less than three hours. I do hope the Utd will win this.

I may not be able to see the other two matches. Benfica vs Guadalajara and Arsenal vs Fiorentina. As I said before that Benfica may get a win from this match but the next match will be challenging. I would like to see how Arsenal performs.

Side note, teams will have around 13M € each, from this competition.

That's why they will go on Asia to play  ;D

Not sure if this is a lot money for a football club but for sure this is a lot of money for us individuals 🤪

Come on bitcoins! Land in the moon!!

Yeah, they could just stop being greedy & give us the 13 big one’s couldn’t they :D
For real though, these tournaments are more for exposure & to get more fans in that part of the world, think of all the merchandise etc that a whole continent of fans can buy. I think that will be a lot more than 13 million euros per year.

I think the Real Madrid team will win the title, Now Real Madrid has the human qualifications to win, Coach Zidane has enough experience in running matches. Real madrid vs bayern
I think the Real will beat Bayern with a big share. What do you think?

Just finished watching Man Utd vs Inter, pretty fun game.

Few things about Man Utd: I think 90% of the starting XI will be the main squad next season, so fans can rest assured that Wan Bissaka will be the starting RB. Kinda odd that Lukaku didn't play today, maybe he's injured? Or his transfer to Inter is pretty much done deal and Solskjaer doesn't care about playing him. And Greendwood looks like the new Red Devils gem, hope he gets minutes in this pre season.

Looking forward to some games tonight, Fiorentina vs Arsenal could be fun, but my main focus will be my RM and Hazard's (and others) debut against Bayern Munich. I might go for my first bet in this pre-season, RM win @2.30 looks pretty good  :)

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I have not being following up with ICC much this year as I have been very busy in RL, but I'll see the next few games Real Madrid vs Bayern, most importantly. I'd live to get a glimpse of what Madrid potentially has in store for the upcoming season.

Yeah, if you also count the merchandising and the marketing from this tour I guess the money will be around 20m €.

They do a special meeting with players where they sell an infinite amount of items.

Even if they sell "only 10000" Tshirts is 1 extra million.

As expected Utd won but I was expecting Fiorentina to win against Arsenal. I was not watching the match but looking at the score it seems Fiorentina was beaten easily.

I had a small thee fold and lost it LOL


If you had the bet for RM then sorry for your lose.



Juventus vs Tottenham in an hourish. Not sure who will win.

This is just a fitness enhancement matches most clubs do not take them seriously they field in players they want to keep an eye on and the important players would be cautious of getting injured ahead of the new season about to start.
Betting on a tournament as this one is not my thing upsets really do happen

Real Madrid's performance didn't go as I expected, maybe because I have had a huge expectation prior to game. They barely show any resistance to Bayern's dominance, it's just a Pre-season, yeah. but there is really a lot of work to be done ahead.

I don't think Juventus vs Tottenham will be an interesting game though, but I might tune in later in the second half.

Juventus vs Tottenham is just about to start.

wOW! Just notice din flashscores that yesterday there was a friendly match in between Dortmund and Liverpool and Liverpool lost LOL 3 - 2 goals.

These club friendlies and small tournaments like this are too hard to predict.

Saw the match, well Spurs are in better shape with 1-2 more weeks of training.

Need a lot of works for Juventus to learn the Sarriball.

One of the best players for Juventus was Higuain, are we sure that he will leave?

Yep, first bet, first loss, it is what it is  :D At least Kubo, Rodrygo, and Vinicius didn't let me down, these youngters look really promising. On the other hand, Isco and Asensio, I mean, 'fat boy' and 'one-season wonder', were a whole different story.

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So, De Ligt lost to Spurs in his last game with Ajax with a late minute goal. Today, he lost in his debut with Juventus against Spurs with a brilliant late minute goal by Kane. De Light...u ok, buddy? LOL

Lol! That's some luck the young lad has got.

The match turned out to be a great game, The goal from Harry Kane is unreal, he wasn't even looking at the goal post from middle of the pitch. What a way to open his scoring sheet for a new season.

Hey, don't knock this amount, Liverpool can buy 6 new defenders with that, loan them all out to teams and get back super youth machines =p

But yeah, the prize money's really just the cream on the dessert. The exposure of ICC, the add ons and the prestige of playing alongside big names, it's just another preseason backslap and high-five. We all know that. But hey, fringe players love these as it still all adds up to OPTA and hence market value =p Agents love it too.

A nice side note, the Manager of the market for Juventus aka Paratici is at ICC.

What is it mean? Well, we know the long love relationship between Juventus and Pogba...

Its quite strange for the chief of the market be at this competition in the middle of the market, he can be only meaning he is working there.


Anyway, Arsenal is a good way to win this

https://i.imgur.com/Gevmwlb.png


The last match for them will be vs Real Madrid.

The English team smiled end of the match yesterday. Juventus was well back after the 2nd half with two goals by Ronaldo and Higuain but could not hold it at the end. They had to conceive two more goals. That last goal by Kane was satisfying to watch. No one was ready for this even the keeper LOL but he spotted it very well.

Nah! I am not underestimating this money. I was just not sure that if that's a lot of money or just some average lamp sum for a club.

I suppose it's only fitting if Arsenal win the ICC, though I'm sure if Kane and co win it, it'll be the second-most fitting outcome. United didn't come close to anything, in case anyone thinks I forgot the poor devils.

Then again, I don't want anyone to say Liverpool should win the Charity Shield to salve the loss. Friendly cups where teams make wholesale changes isn't any shade of competitive football.

Anyway, I'm putting a small out lay on Arsenal over 3/1.

Arsenal fans have suffered for a long time, I wouldn’t begrudge them a bit of fun & a little trophy ;D

Did you see that tackle by the Sevilla midfielder on our young full back? If that was in the street it’d be a short jail term.

I'll be taking Real Madrid  (currently offered at 2.02 Odds) to win over Arsenal with the belief that Real Madrid will want  to step up their game after their abysmal performance against Bayern Munich yesterday Or Perhaps, we might see another experimental line up from Zidane but, I'm banking on the former.

Hmm, that is a nice looking table with so many top teams. Imagine if the European Super League that's rumored to start in 2 years^[1] actually becomes a thing? I wonder what would draw more attention from the fans, a Super League or the classic Champions League?

1. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46078651

That would be nice, kinda a like an early consolation prize before shit goes down during the next season hehe  ;D

Arsenal aren’t even the best team in North London any more now that Spurs have leapfrogged them. Emery is a good manager though, make no mistake about that. I think Arsenal will get into the top 4 this season, probably only in 4th place but as the expense of Chelsea & Man Utd.

I disagree, we (Chelsea) might miss out on trophies this season but I can guarantee Lampard won't disappoint, he'll successfully coach the team to a top4 finish. He knows if he can achieve that everyone would conclude that he had a great first season. That was sarri's game plan all along and he did achieve it although with the help of hazard but still Lampard can achieve same result even without hazard in the driving wheel.

You're probably just too naive and optimistic, I wouldn't place such an high expectation on Lampard, most especially not during his maiden season in premier league.

I guess you're expecting way too much from him (with the top 4 expectation), Lampard was a great player, no doubt! But managing a team in the premier is entirely different, even with an experienced coach Chelsea with this squad will struggle to make top 4.

Well for the record Lampard has won more trophy than Mauricio Pochettino, Unai Emery and Ole Gunnar Solskjær as a manager for their respective (current) clubs and guess what, he has just been a manager for only four games also the season hasn't even started. Never underestimate Lampard, he's Lampard for a reason ;D. Chelsea defeat Barcelona 2 goals to 1 to end their tour of Japan with a trophy.

Tomorrow will have some interesting match, the Italian derby is here Juve vs Inter.

Let's see if the Sarriball will hit the players this time.

You can't be serious right now, Yeah ?

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Real Madrid has continued as an utterly mess from where stopped against Bayern Munich.

Trailing by 2 goals against Arsenal at Halftime, both teams are playing with 10 Men, Buwaytress was probably right with his bet on Arsenal to win the ICC trophy.

Another occurrence of worthy note is Gareth Bale's introduction to game for the 2nd half (Could he be staying ?)

Buffon won vs Inter the penalty lottery  ;D

He saved 3 and 1/2, amazing :D. He is only 41, GOAT

Buffon is amazing, he’s had a wonderful career. Such a shame he never won the CL though, I couldn’t believe it when I saw that stat, I was sure he had. He has literally everything else though.

I remember watching him play for Parma when I was a young boy.

With Asensio's injury^[1] which might leave him 6-8 months out of the team, there's a chance that Bale or James could stay in the team, but with Zidane you never know, he still might want those 2 out of team while Lucas Vázquez takes Asensio's place :/

1. https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/07/24/5d3841ac268e3e490d8b45e8.html

About Juve vs Inter, pretty fun game, felt like a normal Serie A game with all the intensity and fouls. Stefano Sensi is really good.

Out of four match 3 were decided in penalty shout out. That's crazy. Buffon is all time legend.

By the way looking at the point table, I wonder who will lead it after Atletico Madrid vs Juventus match? Arsenal and Bayem played three matches each. Arsenal is leading at the moment by goal difference.

It's a Madrid derby at the ICC 2019, Atletico Madrid have started brilliantly with 2 goals under the first 9 minutes, A goal from Diego Costa and Atletico's new signing Joao Felix scoring on his debut.

IIRC Joao Felix is targeted by MU, isn't it? Or is that just another media bullshit story?
Anyway, good for him scoring a goal.


Buffon is still better than lots of keepers on their 25ths. He could play till he's 50 if he's as fit as Milner as a midfield.

Atletico Madrid have thrashed Real Madrid by scoring 7 goals, and in response Real Madrid have been able to score only 3 goals. It’s a new season but it seems that Madrid is playing poor football like they were playing last season, and to make matters worse for them Luka Jovic is injured. I think it’s best if Madrid re-sign Ronaldo and save themselves from further embarrassment, because if they continue playing like this not only will Zidane be sacked, but many players too will be shifted out of the club.

Match Report: https://www.goal.com/en-sg/match/real-madrid-v-atlético-madrid/report/bqh1hcx5xlxyagq1vy0cc16cq

Just to reiterate what you said, that's bullshit. I also read about him considering of playing in PL in the future, It just can't be now.

Back to the Madrid derby, It was a really interesting match from the very start to the end of match, 10 goals and 2 red cards. Atletico Madrid won 7 - 3.

Stat Pack: Real Madrid have conceded 12 goals in their last 3 matches 😳

Indeed, it was a very interesting game, Courtois has nothing to offer to Real Madrid, and could be regarded as the worst goalkeeper in Real Madrid's history. Keylor Navas is far better than he'll ever be, the second half of the game proved that. (Real Madrid won the second half 3-2 Atletico Madrid) so I think it's will be best he's made the number one goalkeeper and used permanently throughout next season. Hazard didn't play that bad but wasn't at his best, the rest of the team were trash especially midfielder and defenders.

Diego Costa display was incredible and each time i watch him play, he makes me miss him more as a Chelsea player.

A call for Paul Pogba could today  :)


Real Madrid have look really clueless in their recent matches.

I feel terrible for Luka Jovic, I hope it won't be long term injury, Ronaldo and Real Madrid love story is well over already, and it's never happening again.

Indeed a poor display by madrid against their bitter rival in Laliga shows how vulnerable their defense line is by allowing a whooping seven goals with diego costa scoring four of the goals while conceding 5 goals in the first half, some soccer analyst blamed courtis for conceding cheap goals, Zidane should fortifies his team before the market closes in viewing of lingering injuries ravaging the team with Jovic as the latest player means a disastrous season is in the offing which might lead to his early sacking, Paul Pogba will be a good addition in their midfield combining with Luka Modric and Isco because next season will be highly competitive.  

A complete disaster for team like Real Madrid. It's a shame that these days they are performing their worse. 3 - 7 lose, 5 goals to conceive in first half. The match was gone out of their hand when they conceived the third goal in under 15 minutes.

Real Madrid really needs a player like Ronaldo back in the team.

But what are the Odds of Ronaldo coming back to Real Madrid ?  1000/1 Not as If he left on good terms. They're bound to go through this one day, They'd get past these evolution phase too. They probably just need some more time, Zidane is capable of that, we've seen that before.

Oh, I regret that I missed Madrid derby. It's shameful result for Real Madrid. But it's just pre-season game and results doesn't matters. Offcourse, there is worrying signs Real Madrid - we see same problems like in last season. And injuries - Marco Asensio, now Jovic. And guys, I think you need to forget Ronaldo, he isn't going back to Real,

Hazard fired blank again, that'd be his game third right ? Barcelona match against Kobe ended 2 -  0 in favor of Barcelona, but Griezmann wasn't on target, I guess this two could be up for who'll eventually get their first goal for their new teams.


Exactly, Ronaldo being at Real again is only just gonna postpone what they're going through (probably), truth is, it's inevitable!

Looks like quite a few guys (Well, okay, at least 1 guys that I saw) active in the La Liga thread got his wish. Big time 3/1 win too was well worth it in the end. I'd generally say it means nothing in a friendly but still to let in that kind of goal must have got to them, considering the red card as well.

2 draws and 1 crazy loss. You know they're hurting, friendly or not.

He is gonna be tired of playing and getting older. It is quite to say that a new player will come across each path took over Ronaldo.
I may say, he is near to end up his carrier and let the new (best/athletic) player will lead the game. They show its greatness before and we know it won't last long as I believe, won't see Ronaldo today as Ronald before same with the other old players.

Tonight we have AC Milan and Benfica in the ICC and I am on "I Rossoneri" - even without Theo Hernández
Win or lose Sportsbet offering up 10 free spins for betting a side- price boost for maximum odds
https://i.imgur.com/z2sgM4m.png

For Real Madrid suffered a severe defeat, I think the only problem Real Madrid has in defense is easy to penetrate.
We are in the process of receiving a new season and the tournaments begin, Coach Zidane should think of his back lines to avoid surprise, For the attacking lines I think the Real have good elements that will achieve the required.

You are right, it's almost impossible for Real to convince Ronaldo.

Well Zidane had some amazing results in the past and I hope he will figure out something to over come from this situation.

Anyway, AC Milan vs Benfica match in this evening and I think it's going to be either a draw or Benfica will win in the full time. AC Milan is not having good time in this tournament. They are at the bottom in the point table.

By the way, just checked the odd for Benfica and it's 11/8 which is tempting LOL

Well Zidane had some amazing results in the past and I hope he will figure out something to over come from this situation.

Anyway, AC Milan vs Benfica match in this evening and I think it's going to be either a draw or Benfica will win in the full time. AC Milan is not having good time in this tournament. They are at the bottom in the point table.

By the way, just checked the odd for Benfica and it's 11/8 which is tempting LOL
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I just started the game, The two sides seem satisfied with the draw. Yes Real Madrid realizes the importance of coach Zidane, Real fans hope the coach will achieve what he has achieved in the past years.

Real Madrid vs Tottenham is underway (Audi Cup) not ICC, Real Madrid are on with front line consisting nof Vazquez, Benzema and Hazard, new signing in person of Ndombele is also featuring for Tottenham as well Harry Kane and Son Heung Min.

Bale is not listed in the match day squad: Probably still in search of a new club.

To many cups. This cup that cup LOL
Yeah I see the live score in flashscores. Not sure how are they playing but considering Tottenhams performance in CL, if they are playing with a balanced team then they should win this match.

By the way, good to see Benfica won against AC Milan other day. It was a 0 - 1 for Benfica.
Those who gambled for Benfica obviously made good money as the odd was 11/8.

And like you said, Spurs did play with a somewhat decent team, and as usual, we lost. Feels like people can win some decent money in this pre-season if they bet against RM. IIRC odds for Spurs to win were around @3.25!

Bayern vs Fenerbahce next. Away win @12.00 and above. Anyone brave enough to go for it? lol

That one goal from Kane made the difference between two teams. I was managed to watch the last 15 minutes of the match. There were nothing much.

Well this one is very hard to go against the odds LOL
Bayern should win the match. So far they are controlling the match. They can score in any moment.

Real Madrid are really losing it this pre-season, Injury plagued, conceding goals consistently and scoring sporadically. Can things get any worse for them ?

I took Fenerbache to win on a Handicap +2.5 @ 1.93 odds.

I watched the whole game, Spurs had some many chances, game could've easily ended 5-0 or 6-0, but Keylor Navas was there to save us from yet another embarrassing scoreline.

Unless there are some drastic changes, yes, things can get far worse.

5-0 HT  :-X It's a massacre, Fenerbahce are getting obliterated. But mad props to you for going for 'Fenerbahce to win' (:

There are nothing left for Fenerbahce in this match. The 2nd half has started and I am expecting Bayern to score at least three more goals which will make the score line 8 - 0 LOL

Let's see how this prediction works out 🤪

Well, at least scored 1 goal - considering how they are playing it's big achievemnt lol. Result is 6:1 at 85 minute. Such big result isn't big surprise probably - Fenerbahche finnished just 6th in Turkish league last season and they have huge financial problems - their debts is over $0.5 billion.

Well I was close in terms of goal count. I was expecting 8 - 0 but instead we had 6 - 1 which means 7 goals in this match. 🤪

Today we have:
Tottenham vs Bayern
Real Madrid vs Fenerbahce

Again considering the recent form of Real I will go for either a draw or Fenerbahce. I know it's not usual but Real is not performing these days. In the other match I will go for Tottenham despite Bayern to crash Fenerbahce by 6 - 1 yesterday.

I guess we all make crazy gambling decisions sometimes, don't we ?


I'm done with gambling on anything pertaining to Real Madrid until the season is officially under way.

The difference between the dynamic of those two teams is obvious.
Bayern seems to be in an incredible performance and they are likely to have an amazing road towards the Champions League final next season!

That's too early to say. Many believe Bayern at least go to the semis last season when in fact they lost to Liverpool at home, without scoring anything (Liverpool made an own goal).

Everything is still possible.

Does anyone else think that all these friendly tournaments In Asia or USA are just a waste of time and a money making machine? Elite clubs have forgotten how a real pre-season preparation should look like. It should be about going to a remote resort high up in the mountains, training in a nice climate and getting in shape for the new season.

What they are doing now is promoting their brands internationally, flying around the States and Asia getting jet legged, constantly tired from the travels, playing in hot and humid conditions.

Good to see finally Real to get a win. Look at their last 10 matches. Including the last game they only won two.
https://i.imgur.com/SnvjKUT.png

Real really needs to do something about this down fall.

These days the clubs are more into making money than giving their players a quality vacation.

I’ll second that as it’s too early in the season to predict that Bayern Munich will reach the finals of Champions League. As we all saw in thier match against Tottenham that they only managed to draw and then lost out on penalties, if a team like theirs wishes to reach the finals then they need to perform better.


@Pmalek this is modern day football all clubs need to be making money, and these tournaments make them lots of money. In my personal opinion I like them because I get to see all new arrivals, and different tactics that clubs may use once the season starts.

I agree with you, but this is reality of modern football, it's just a game, but also huge business. Clubs earn a lot from playing these matches, they also promoting their brand in new markets. Last year there was plans to held even some official La Liga matches in USA, but fans were against it and it this idea didn't turned into reality. But I think these pre-season tournaments are also good because fans from Asia, States can see their favourite club playing in their country - not everyone can travel to Europe just to watch football.

It is entertaining and more important for non European people than European imo, and of course it is all about money.
Asian market is very important for these clubs to generate more profits (and some trouble for some players/South Korea vs Ronaldo)

You make a good point but most of the clubs also perform pre-season preparation you mention right before the season start and the friendly tournaments you said are organised/played in other for the team players to understand themselves more on the field of play.

After all, big teams always make sales or promote the latest releases from these events and this is just about the business they do. But I think it's important too, playing away from home will get a different sensation and it's very good to do, because from the event each team has the opportunity to try many strategies to later be used in the main match or competition.

I wonder how this match ended because football will always have a way to f@##%k with your mind, and I use to think this way that since a half had so many goals the other half will get not less than this but you will be shocked that not a goal comes in such games.

Sometimes it is a waste of time and money especially when the so called elite teams fail to perform when the main league starts which is disappointing but j should think these competitions are to try out new accusations and also entertaining and appreciating fans from other parts of the world.

Man Utd vs AC Milan today and obviously my favorite is Man Utd. If the win then they will have three wins like Benfica. Do you guys have any correct score in mind? I would go for 3 - 1 for Man Utd.

Well at least you had 2 more goals in the 2nd half. I have seen matches where first half was 7 - 0 but in the 2nd half there were no score. Yes, this is football and it's fun.

I took a really odd parlay today with a mix of favourites... United is 1. Sevilla, Chelsea and Roma are my other 3 picks. Sevilla already closed their game but Chelsea and Roma are a goal behind so it looks like it won't matter.

United been on good form pre-season haven't they? Wan Bissaka on fire (and also one of the speediest if you saw Lukaku's leaked speed footage where Luke Shaw was the slowest guy haha). Not worth me reupping though, as United isn't even 2/1 on this game.

Starts in 5 minutes...

Well feel bad for you brother. Chelsea disappointed you. Seeing the scores it looks like they are behind from the start and only in the injury time they were able to equalize the score.

In the other match (Man Utd vs AC Milan) AC Milan just took the lead. Not bad not bad 🤪


It will be interesting to see if they can come back to this match and win from here.

Today will be the last match for Juventus vs Atletico @18.00 CEST time.

This is the final "hard" test before the start of the season, let's see if the Sarriball started to hit players.

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In Italian League they don’t have any competition, so this match will help us see how they’ll perform in champions league. Atletico Madrid has a strong team, but they’ll be defeated by Juventus who have world class players like Ronaldo, De Ligt and others. Juventus players better start getting used to Sarriball otherwise they will loose their grip on the league, and Sarri will loose his job.

Never like this year, Inter made a great team.

Juventus is making a lot of changes, this year can be a surprise for any team in the league.