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After Hhampuz stopped their signature campaign a few weeks ago,


They are back once again under a new manager (probably one of their own) [OPEN]LiveCoin.Net Signature Campaign | Hero/Legendary Members | Weekly Payments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166711.0)

Thoughts?

I would like them first to resolve the scam accusations, sort out the wrong doings then go for any marketing in BitcoinTalk. This does not look good at the moment and I see a lot of people who actually fight against scammers and spammers are applying for a spot.

We do not want to see another victim in here.

Archived: http://archive.is/4fmnr

I wonder who is managing the campaign ::)

Are you thinking the same as me?

Are you implying Hhampuz made new account?

I want to be on record as it's not me managing.

Probably part of the livecoin company as the account is new.

I checked the flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=308) just now, and see izooomrud withdraw the flag, maybe that's the reason they do a timely comeback, just not sure though.

I guess we will see soon enough.

There are a limited number of people who run signature campaigns/bounty campaigns

The flag was probably withdrawn as a way to try to get access to the money they are holding hostage.

There is no chance to know if this new account is created by an old signature campaign manager, I guess what's more interesting to know is if the campaign is legit or not.  ;D

Whoever managing the campaign,those participants are at risk now.

People will run back if there is high payment no matter of active scam accusations against them as well.

I think this time there should be negative trust warning after certain time period for the people who is waering those signature until those scam accusation has been resolved.

Let the participants be, they are senior members here who should know what they are doing. The flag was also withdrawn as pointed out in the previous comment and I also think that's the reason why they launched it again but under a newbie account.

A campaign with no escrow, A campaign managed by newbie, A campaign which was previously accused for scamming with customer's funds, A campaign thread which is self-moderated with 1 post deleted.  ::)

If there is a open scam accusation against a company and if the previous campaign was closed for the reason, then participants shouldn't just throw their hat into the campaign even how higher they pay. Spammers and people who are not well aware of the accusations have applied for the campaign and they should be warned for that through PM. Duckdice campaign was subjected to a similar situation and people were warned and had a 48 hour time limit to remove their signatures.

Considering the relationship between Quickseller and Hhampuz, I suspect QS is pointing it towards Hhampuz LOL

But honestly speaking I do not see a point here. Livecoin needed to leverage Hhampuz's reputation here and it's only can be gained if Hhampuz post the campaign from his own account. Since this new account does not have any reputation then why Livecoin will hire (pay high) Hhampuz?

So, I highly believe that it's not Hhampuz nor you or DarkStar_ or LoyceV or (LOL). It's someone else who accepted the offer for a cheap rate (possibly) or is really came from any official of Livecoin.

I guess since Livecoin is considered a high paying campaign, I don't think they will pay a cheap amount to whoever manage it.
I have never been a campaign manager but I believe managing a campaign is not easy especially if the manager will do the job properly which is to monitor spam posts.

Created a flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=475) (referenced topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166754.0))

Let's see if this is enough to get him banned for plagiarism:

Update:

Copy:

Original:

People have been banned already for way less than 89% being identical.

it's possible they messaged for permission. Can't say for sure but it is possible. Someone should message the pony

Considering the reputation they have earned here so far, I doubt they will focus on monitoring spam post or really want to manage a very high quality campaign.

They will just look for some exposures.

You granted permission recently to another user if I am not wrong.

Correct, long as a company or manager messages me ahead of time, i'm pretty lenient on someone copying my format. If they don't message me then it's pretty shitty of them and deserves a plagiarism ban.

Not like it's hard to make your own format of rules.

I think it can still be plagiarism with permission, as long as the source isn't mentioned. Without credits, permission only helps against being a copyright violation.

I've sent iwantapony a PM.

Yes, they've my Permission. Also, I have no problem if anyone uses the rules or format of my signature campaign.

Has anyone notice the positive feedback left on LiveCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=462136)'s trust page by Hhampuz?
http://prntscr.com/oh56we


I mean it's not that he was lying but seriously, was there a positive feedback needed while the entire community were going against them for their shady service?

Really!

I saw that earlier and felt weird since he dropped the campaign because he wasn't satisfied with how livecoin responded to a scam accusation. Then again, he was talking about the signature campaign which went smoothly as far as he and the participants are concern. I guess that's fair. It would have been better to not leave a positive feedback but that's just me.

I am not sure even if this campaign manage by Livecoin authority (or just fake campaign like previous few campaign). Newbie account with escrow want to advertise Livecoin isn't looking good also. Let's come to the point, I wouldn't support their campaign if they do not resolved scam Accusation against them.

After left this campaign by a reputed manager it is not acceptable to run their signature campaign without resolve scam accusation on this forum.

It will appropriate if DT's tag participant now. Because that campaign ignored by major part of community. I will bother to make reply on their signature thread and will suggest to avoid campaign till resolve the issue.

If it was my account that would explain why I've been so quite lately  :-[. Alas, I am fucked again..

I believe you will not do this kind of shady activity.

I had not said that I would tag by the way. It will not make any difference if they accepted or not. The main point is they are wearing signature. If someone wear well known scam website signature then will you wait for spreadsheet? I don't think so. However I don't want to make arguments, if they resolve scam issue, perhaps would apply as well. Most likely most of applicants are not aware about scam Accusation and other drama. So left a reply there.


Edit: Seems they have deleted my reply since that was self moderated thread.

If there was any feature in this forum like OP preventing a certain forum member from posting in a thread, then it would have become difficult for people to warn about the scam. @CryptopreneurBrainboss post would probably be deleted by the topic creator soon. On top of that since scams aren't moderated there would be no point in reporting the thread too. So the only possible way to prevent the people from participating in the campaign is to PM each and every member who have applied for that.


As nutildah pointed out, Hhampuz trade with Livecoin went smooth and so was the positive feedback. The trust ratings are opinions of a member with another member. If I was in the same case, I would have left a postive feedback since the deal between me(campaign manager) and the campaign owner was smooth and successful. The positive trust rating given by Hhampuz is no way related to the scam accusation risen against the exchange and certainly it's good to leave the feedback.

I got myself blacklisted from DT1 and asked other DT1 members to ~Hhampuz so that I could no longer participate in DT2 either. My trust ratings, if things went as I want, would not matter much to anyone besides people that directly enable them (as I spend most of my time in collectibles where most users don't venture outside of that section anyways).

If you have an issue with that positive trust, take it up with DT so that they can distrust me :).

The positive feedback he gave is for the smooth dealings he had with the team running a signature campaign for them and he withdrew from dealing with them when they neglected to have a response regarding the issue and trust feedback are not moderated and if Hhampuz decides to give them a positive feedback, it is his sole decision for the deal they had, there are many flags against them for any user who is registering into their site to understand their past actions.

Still not sure why Livecoin team is so adamant for a small amount.

One of DT member or staff should leave a message in the new bounty thread of Livecoin, to warn all applicants to withdraw their applications, avatars & signatures within a fixed period, such as 72 hours. If after 72 hours, applicants won't do this, they should be tagged. Just in case there is a warning. The fixed period for them even can be expanded longer, it depends because sometimes people don't regularly log in their accounts. Anyway, I think 72-hour period is enough.

Leaving message on their bounty thread will not make any change since they have open self moderated thread. As I said they have deleted my post from their signature campaign thread. Lets wait for opinions from other DT members. Also need to note how many participant will accepted by them. Newbie account should use escrow at least. Still not confirmed if campaign manage by Livecoin themselves.      

No one can prevent deleting a post in a self moderated thread because the rules of self moderated thread says OP of the thread reserve the right to delete any post, that anyone may include the staff member too.

It was just a mistake, he has supported it again.

Maybe not now.
We can't blame them on keeping applying on that thread or give the warning to withdraw their application and not wear the appropriate sig and avatar since OP has moderated the thread and few replies that against and asking escrow has been deleted, as of now (8 posts by 8 users with 4 merits deleted.) We can't warn them first. But I already gave warning to my fellow countrymen here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108520.msg51876055#msg51876055) I hope they don't risk their account by wearing the signature of a company that has open scam accusation.

Through this maybe participants are aware now.
https://i.imgur.com/lZkzagB.jpg

I just want to say that I have joined (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166711.msg51880431#msg51880431) livecoin signature campaign, according to signature campaign rules:



I have read rules and I accepted them, I will not remove signature during the campaign period. Joining was easiest, I only had to put some info from this coded thingy.

So I am in signature campagin!

Barely anyone ever reads the rules :P
I like your troll level :D

I don't know what are you talking about  :)

What'chew talking 'bout:


@DarkStar_, I call dibs on marlboroza's chipmixer spot.   :D ;D :D

Don't tell Darkstar_ and I will maybe send you half funds which livecoin will pay me:

Funny actually, reading the rules and finding out that you can be payed just because you won't remove signature  :D

Looks like contract to me.

First of all, we can't be sure that this campaign actually made by Livecoin. Livecoin staff didn't verified this campaign - they didn't posted anything from their Bitcointalk account, there is also no information about it on their social media. If they would run campaign themselves without manager, probably they would use their old official account. So, it's possible that campaign was made by scammer and participants are risking to not get paid.
Also, I see some users talking about tagging campaign participants or other sanctions against Livecoin. I'm not so sure about. I'm not defending Livecoin, but there is just one proven scam accusation against them. There was some services with worse reputation and multiple accusations against them allowed to run campaign and there was no sanctions against participants (Betcoin, Yobit). If I recall correctly, even Sportsbet.io have unsolved scam accusations, but as we see they are running their sig campaign here for long time already and nobody don't see any problems. It's just my thoughts, and I'm not sure which side to support at this question. It's probably up to every person to decide, is it ethical to advertise service which isn't 100% clean.

I would not consider that to be Plagiarism, at least not in the sense that gets you banned around here. The intent of the anti-plagiarism rule is not to prevent this kind of activity.

Also, receiving permission to use content is not relevant to if a person will get banned when a person plagiarizes content.

 

Here is the description of a positive rating:
Having a positive trading experience does not appear to be sufficient to warrant a positive rating, according to the above description. When you leave a positive rating, you are saying the person is unlikely to scam anyone.

They can use new accounts to manage the campaign, but at least Livecoin (old account) should confirm that the new campaign is official one; run and managed by Livecoin team. We have not seen such confirmation from Livecoin team. It is nearly the same what happened with Yobit signature campaign restarted around a month ago (no one get paid as I saw by now. Only one claimed that he/she received payments, but without proof of payments).

When it comes to handling campaign-related BTC, Livecoin never scammed anybody. Besides, what Livecoin did wasn't a scam. They weren't out to cheat their customers out of money. They got targeted during a 51% attack (no other exchange was targeted) and then decided their terms rendered them not liable for the losses incurred. You can play lawyer all day long that their terms are illegal but until a court of law rules otherwise, you really don't know.

Again, show me a perfect exchange which has never lost any of their customers funds, ever. Show me an exchange with a 100% customer satisfaction rate.

I can't speak for Hhampuz but I firmly believe Livecoin is unlikely to "scam" anyone. If you held MONA or XMR, yes you got fucked, but the way in which events unfolded leads me to believe this isn't a "scam exchange."

This whole thing was blown way out of proportion and has obviously become something of a witch hunt. Its pretty lame.

It seems Livecoin Manager broke our contract, no bribe thingies for you two  :(

The flag has been withdrawn but the experience from one of our member izooomrud  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.0) is ugly. No matter the payment, an email should be sent to all that are wearing the signature to remove it within 3 days. Their posts might tend another user to register with Livecoin which has been indicted with a lot of scam accusation all over the internet.

It was accidentally withdrawn but it's up now - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=308
Email is not anymore needed, Hhampuz already tagged accounts who applied and that made them aware for sure, if they'll continue, meaning they disregard the warning, it's their choice, maybe the payment is just too high to resist.

Now, it is good time to remove that flag, something like this. If I understood flags correctly, flags can not be removed. It's different than Trust. Anyway, it seems that the flag created by @izooomrud  has been solved. I am curious that flag can be turned into inactive one or not. Let's see in coming weeks or months.

That is not the purpose of the trust system. The purpose of giving a positive rating is to vouch that the person is unlikely to scam period, there are no 'ifs thans or buts'. It is not acceptable to give positive trust to a known scammer who takes out a collateralized reputation loan, or something similar.

The issue at hand in regards to LiveCoin is not that they have an unhappy customer, it is they have profited from the trading of a coin they have no ability to process withdrawals for, and have continued doing so for over a year. Sure, they were the subject of a double spending attack on a shitty altcoin, but after they had their money stolen, they continued allowing traders to buy the coin when the exchange knew very well there was no way they could process a withdrawal request from these traders.

You cut short the rest of my reply:



Again, not everyone considers Livecoin to be a "known scammer." As the 4th least trusted member (https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=leasttrusted) on the forum, you're in no position to be talking about trust-related issues anyway.


They were obviously holding out hope of eventually being reimbursed with MONA. Now that its clear that's not happening, they are delisting the coin. And they are currently engaging in "socializing losses" by buying back outstanding MONA, if only for a fraction of the price.

Is there a possibility that Livecoin hired iwantapony (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=815246) as a manager for their new signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166711.msg51873630#msg51873630)?

Previous manager was Hhampuz as far i remember but when Livecoin do have scam accusations he decide to drop it down and now
they are having a new campaign handled by Livecoin Manager. Iwantpony was only involved because livecoin used up his campaign rules but as said they have permission to do it.

Doesn't it seem suspicious, that Livecoin Manager (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2650265) allegedly received a permission from Iwantpony (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=815246) to use his signature rules, and after that Iwantpony (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=815246) was admitted to the Livecoin campaign?

See I don't know about you guys, but I still think this is managed by someone who is an experienced manager here on the forum. And unlike what quickseller said, there are actually many bounty managers and signature managers that would jump at the offer of shadow managing a campaign like this from an alt account. It doesn't have to be Hhampuz or Yahoo.. it can be anyone that advertises themselves as a manager, or they could be simply managing it internally since it's not exactly rocket science.

Second that, most likely that campaign managing by an experienced manager because I am following their signature thread. Since Hhampuz tagged Livecoin participant I fully believe that he will not involved with it. On the other hand Yahoo made a Google sheet whit blacklist user, so I am fully believe that he will not involved with it. So from some other greedy manager is managing this campaign.

Any idea who is organizing it? I got a threatening PM from some dodgy account promoting livecoin & would like to contact the campaign manager about it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814120650/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175126.msg52158467

This brings up a sort of interesting point.
I use livecoin. Not what I would say is a lot, but definitely on a regular basis.
They have done nothing wrong by me. I put in an altcoin that I wound up with for whatever reason, trade it and leave.

From the scam accusation they have burned some people. I would go with yeah, they did. Followed by "so, what?"

Show me 1 exchange that has not had complaints against them. A hack. A breach. Where someone didn't take a loss.

Just about every casino that has a signature campaign here has somebody (may or many not be legit) that has a complaint against them.

Red tagging people because they advertise them is like boycotting a TV station because they advertise Ford and YOUR NEIGHBOR had a bad time with their Mustang.

Should the people who were burned reach out to them people advertising livecoin and say "hey, they did this to me"? I would say yes.
Should others reach out to the people advertising livecoin and say "hey, they did this to this person" I would say probably.

But beyond that I just don't think it's an issue.

Would *I* join their campaign? Tough call. As I said they have done nothing wrong by me, and all exchanges have done some really crappy things to people over the years. So I might.
Seeing the reactions in this thread. FROM PEOPLE I LIKE AND RESPECT I would have to think about it.

So now, saying it plainly, an exchange that has done no wrong to me, I have to think about advertising for, because they did something crappy to someone, that is less crappy then what other exchanges have done to other people, because I might get red trust from people who I like, but beyond that might hurt my ability to sell things in the collectibles and hardware sections.

Just seems a little extreme to me.

Am I wrong or just a bit touchy since the entire Dave got red trust from game-protect?

-Dave

An interesting point of view. How about this though, the below statement:


..means you have just broken their TOS & given them the right to seize your funds, like they have done previously:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.msg51714699#msg51714699

Saying bad things about Livecoin is not allowed cos their TOS says so. Would you still have the same point of view if they seized your funds for saying that I wonder?

I doubt it.

Actually I have less problem with that then say Polo saying "we will give you plenty of time to complete your KYC" and then forcing it w/o telling anyone.
Or all the exchanges who have socialized losses.

If their rules say "you don't talk shit about us" then those are the rules.
Now, I did not READ the rules like most people. But that's on me, not them.

However, what you brought up does not cover what I was saying about DTs giving red trust for using having their signature.

That's what I was posting about. There should be some sort of constancy. There have been dozens of scam accusations against FortuneJack do you think everyone wearing their signature should get red trust too?

-Dave

I think it is & should be up to each individual who they trust/distrust/tag tbh, weather they are on DT or not. Personally, if I am convinced that an account/organisation is scamming I will tag them appropriately & always have done, I get a lot of flack about it at the time which is fine by me, but in 99% of cases I have eventually been proven right over time, the other 1% just fade away into oblivion.
As for FortuneJack, I don't gamble & am of the opinion that all gambling sites are a scam anyway......lol

I'm not sure how many campaigns are even left these days, but for a while it seemed like they were in danger of dying off--so it doesn't surprise me that people would be applying for the Livecoin campaign regardless of how shady they've acted in the past.  There are tons of members on the forum who are desperate to get into any signature campaign they can, and they're willing to take a chance that they'll get scammed.  It's happened before.

I'm not a big fan of negging campaign participants unless what they're promoting has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a scam and they continue in the campaign.  Having said that, I'm not sure if I ever knew what the story was with Livecoin--I'll have to do some reading about it.  It does ring a bell, but I've been preoccupied with a lot of RL stuff for the past 2 months and I'm sure I've forgotten about their misdeeds.  If they truly have scammed and there's solid evidence for it, and there's a good chance people are going to get scammed as a result of campaign participants advertising for them, then those participants probably should be given a chance to drop out before any DT members give them negative trust.

*Edit*, just read these posts which kind of support my assertion that some bounty hunters don't care about the risk of getting scammed.  They think of it as akin to playing the lottery:

Anyone? Or maybe they're not using a bounty manager?

That's quite true. The number of active campaigns which pays in BTC and accepts new members are limited to just 1 or 2. Along with that, people are very much interested in earning free money even how low the campaigns pay or how shady they are. That's happening with majority of them in this forum provided they don't care how their signatures affect the people who view them as a advertising slot. There are only a handful of people who still use this forum as a place to discuss cryptocurrency and gain their knowledge, apart from that the major forum population talk shit and are here only to earn few dollars.

You at least have more of a chance of getting your money back from livecoin than you do from these crypto casinos that are being advertised.

Says the account promoting the biggest scam in crypto - Yobit.

How is it a scam?

Send 100 in btc to yobit and 100 dollars to fortunejack.  Trade on yobit and gamble on fortunejack, what one has a better chance of increasing your money?

Do a little research:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5168200.msg52172128#msg52172128

Or simply search for Yobit in the scam section.

This is the best example, how some members use misrepresented facts to their advantage.

Like Izormood used the 51% attack on Mona coin to drop scam accusation and flag on Livecoin exchange. Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) (Blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996)) is now taking advantage that I am wearing Livecoin signature to attack me on the forum, threaten me and tries to break my threads or at least discourage others from commenting with his posts, which were removed by moderators as an off-topic.

I never knew Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288)(Blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996)) and had no interaction with these accounts on the forum but suddenly he shows up in my new thread Will 2019 be a record year for crypto scams? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175126.0) and started to attack me about the Livecoin signature I am wearing. When I saw these comments I have sent a PM to Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) and explained myself, why I participate in this campaign. Additionally, I asked him to refrain from accusations in my (not related) threads because there are already special once about Livecoin campaign, like this one for example. I thought it would be the best way to communicate and explain everything.

I don't have these PM's anymore but I have written that first, he should do something with his own reputation before he starts to point fingers on me and to do some research because I participated in the first edition of Livecoin campaign and was in opposition to the first flag created by Izormood. Commented a few times in the accusation thread to defend Livecoin exchange and show my point of few to these accusations but not only. I keep using Livecoin exchange from the beginning and never had a single problem. The flag created by Izormood was removed and a new edition of Livecoin campaign started. Member Izormood got his account back and Livecoin team told us that they will think about the TOS rules change. So all the reasons for the flag dropped in my opinion. Additionally, this scam accusation should be taken as a support issue because only one very complicated case is not enough to call such a big exchange with thousands of happy customers a scam (in my opinion of course).

I am the only one who was wearing the Livecoin signature without incentive for almost 3 weeks (check spreadsheet), despite red paint threats and blacklists from known campaign managers.
I was enrolled from the first week but removed myself to not get paid because I have heard accusations that everybody is doing this only for the money and wanted to show that this is not the case and there always will be members (like me), which will do it only to show support or a different point of view. That was all I have written in my first PM to Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) more or less.

To my surprise, just after this PM, I got red paint from Blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996). That was a little suspicious to me and just after the first look on the reputation page of Blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996), I found that they are alts and there are multiple scam accusations against them. At some point, there were 30 alt accounts created by this member and used on the forum. Today nothing changed and he keeps doing this (to his advantage), giving red paint to other members or lying in trust annotations or different threads from his alt accounts, like in my case actually.

When I found this, I wrote a second PM, this time to Blurryeyed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=885996). Told him what I have found and asked to stop because if not then I will start digging in his accounts too and paint them red for using alts to red paint others and lie in the trust annotations. Just after I have sent this second PM, another red paint hit my account, this time from Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) account. Additionally, he lied in the annotation that I have alt accounts and am meriting myself (which is total bullshit). As a reference in trust annotations, he used a link to an old accusation thread against me, where I was accused but never proved beyond any doubt and got a neutral rating from Marlboroza back then.

https://i.imgur.com/HjwcDJt.png

I have edited my post and added this screen to show these red paints but I see that the annotation from Iconfirm  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=841288) was changed from "alt account farmer and merit abuser" to only "merit abuser" which of course is not true. This is also done for a purpose to not be accused of lying in trust annotations, like in the first original one. Both annotations were published on the same day (one after another) and now is four days difference between them.

Now he accuses me here in this thread to be threatening him in my PM's.

This is just too much and shows exactly how one can show facts in a different light to use them against somebody additionally using alt accounts and pure lies.

Ahhh....diddums.

You're not the first scam promoter I've tagged to write a long cry-baby post about being tagged & I'm sure you won't be the last. You're also not the first scam promoter to copy/paste someone else's butt-hurt feedback in my profile either, funny how all scam promoters do that eh? Comes with the territory I guess, I can live with it if it stops others getting scammed. I really can't be bothered to address all your inaccuracies, so I'll just leave this here:


Livecoin flag: (zero opposition)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=489

Livecoin Manager Flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=475

At this time, a total of 42 forum members have supported these flags including myself. According to your logic, I must also be these 42 forum members too I suppose.

It's really quite simple, stop promoting scams & you won't get tagged by anyone.

I did not really know why people refer to yobit as a scam site and comparing yobit and fortunejack which is completely a gambling sites means yobit is completely manipulating people's trade and enriching themselves.
Livecoin has a higher reputation before and I am disappointed that it failed in a signature campaign! I have move funds and coins to livecoin and also move out funds without much limitations and excuse.

Does Bitcointalk block Livecoin signature ads? :D
https://i.ibb.co/NSmRpHd/8.png

Scam isn't moderated by forum so forum will not ban any signature campaign for scam accusation. If forum like to take action against scam signature campaign then most likely 90% ICO's signature will be ban from forum. Admin will take action against signature campaign if there is unrealistic spam. So spam and scam both is different issue. I don't think forum will act about scam signature in near future.

There so many signature campaign those have multiple scam accusation, but Livecoin lost a reputable signature campaign manager. That's the issue, they run their campaign themselves instead of convince manager by resolve the issue. And I think that's the reason why most of reputate user avoid to join their campaign.

:D It looks complete to me.

It looks like you completely missed roycilik's joke. He was obviously talking about the image where the "LIVECOIN" does not show on his screen.
https://i.ibb.co/z6NysYg/Untitled.png (https://ibb.co/HhXW7sy)

I can see it here, a couple of post above yours, there's a Livecoin signature, I just checked and found everything normal. It may be a browser issue. Which browser are you using now?

Are you too facing the same? I'm on phone now and it seems okay.

Bumping this thread since Livecoin Signature campaign live once again. Here is the announcement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166711.msg55283623#msg55283623), recruiting 25 participants again. It's just a reminder that there was some issue regarding Livecoin exchange. Here is the scam accusation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.0) and Livecoin hasn't solved it. I am assuming forum moderators will be quite busy to prevent spam after run this campaign  ;)

Unlike usual, they have to send applicants via PM, can this be considered good or just want to avoid the pressure before? If there are still unresolved accusations, of course, those who participate in this campaign will be very worried because they will be impacted by the moderators for promoting a scam project.

If there is someone who will promote them or wore the signature while the had still unresolved scam accusation, those accounts who will be promoted to this livecoin will might in risk by having a negative red tag under their profile name. Scam projects aren't moderated but for sure you will receive negative feedback from DT members or get flagged and that is a good indication that no one will fall to this project or even promoting them.

I had strong doubt 2 days past that they will come back to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278522), one of the high rank user shilling their announcement and I was right on my doubt, they are here now.

I hope that no one is Participants in this campaign to avoid the tag from DT. I am sure that if they keep running the campaign and there are participants there will be a polemic of the problem not resolved.

I hope the participants look at this thread so that what is being suggested here understands and does not send the old PM to the Livecoin manager.

we have to be fair and realistic. just a year ago here was the huge signature campaign owned by one of the biggest scammers in Crypto industry - Yobit, at one point they even asked from participants that in the signature itself wear his Investbox offer, which is btw proven scam. I think here have most scam accusations topics against Yobit than any other. Yet through their campaign has been more than 500 members, mostly without a negative tag from DT members.

I don't plan to defend Livecoin but now is very hard to have selective justice here. I can understand neutral feedback from campaign manager to users who will participate in his campaign if they want to have a reference, but nothing more.

If I'm correct, only suchmoon give most of the yobit promotors (may be all) a neutral feedback. It doesn't even make sense to negative tag the participants. There are more or less unresolved issue with some of the projects here and still they are operating their business without no issue. Then there's no point of tagging the participants at all. And yeah, yobit is a proven heaven for scam shit (recent minex shit is another scam). If they can promote themselves here, why not others?

Yobit and this are not same, here livecoin didn't tried to resolve their issue but they just trying to get more attention so anyone promoting the livecoin just for the money will be considered as untrustworthy member but still they can continue to promote if they doesn't care about the community member's opinion.

Thats correct but with my research other DT member ( user tmfp) also add the Yobit signature participants to his distrusted list.

Though the forum dont moderate scam but dont you think the forum members have to do something within ourselves to stop the accused project from operating campaign on here. Mind you, something was done about 1xbit why not livecoin either?

If they really intend to promote, they should just resolve their issues in the past and go on otherwise the users in the forum will continue to block them from conducting a successful promotion here. they can do it somewhere else like in youtube or other crypto forums but all they can hope for is its success on other forums to make livecoin visible which its highly impossible to happen when done somewhere else.

Maybe is offtopic, but can you point me where is Yobit tried to solve any scam accusation? why these are not the same two things?
why we allowed 20x bigger campaign for service with xxx more reported fraud?

again, I am not going to defend Livecoin, I have not a reason to do that. I stopped using them long before the first accusation.

They are different due to the simple fact of who is involved.

They're updated with 15 participants already accepted for his campaign, not sure he's serious or trolling there.
I only saw one 5 6 accounts using Livecoin signature, 9 more still unknown. IMO it need times to find all the participants
1. SirLancelot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525060)
2. darewaller (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557005)
3. fullhdpixel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=231001)
4. redsun114 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558226)
5. davinchi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152819)
6. sana54210 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78995)

Note: All accounts last active today.

Thats the point.

Yes but the last time I checked they cant gain better traffic than advertising on this forum and I think they are already aware of this which the reason why they are making use of this forum again.

The owner of that account certainly participate in that campaign with an alt account cause theres no way an account that was inactivefor more than a month will be aware that livecoin campaign is open again.

I think they have also participated in the last livecoin campaign or some of them, just not sure.
Well, it's their choice to promote the site, but people are already aware about the scam accusation of livecoin as their account are already flag.

Maybe our AI like @LoyceV can help using their tools to scrap full list of participants?
IMO, Livecoin campaign participants should't be tagged. Even Yobit participants weren't tagged, until they started to promote ponzi scheme. And Livecoin probably isn't worse exchange than Yobit.

No one tagged them before, I guess it's fair to just allow them to promote since some people have been using the exchange too and personally I have use the exchange from time to time, they are not bad for me but of course, it's just me, other people have different experience. Also, we have to consider that every DT has their own decision, others may not tag participants but some could, so the risk is really high though.


IMO, I like Livecoin than yobit, but like I said, it's just me.

He is not getting any money on his statement about supporting livecoin. He is just voicing out his personal experience about this exchange despite of many allegations of wrong behavior of this exchange. Although its not good if ever there will be a whale user that used the exchange then experience scam because he saw a hero member vouch for livecoin.

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My opinion about tagging the participants is not necessary because they are not shilling/promoting the exchange directly. Actually its everyone responsibility to DYOR before they use any exchange.

They are not same at all. They can't be same. Yobit has a lot of scam accudations, yobit has a lot of scam tricks in their exchange itself. If you keep track of what yobit is introducing every now and then, you would know why yobit and livecoin can't be same.
On the other hand, Livecoin has scam accudation only and they are not allowed (actually allowed) to promote themselves.
Livecoin is far better than yobit. If I were to pick one exchange between these two for trading, I would definitely go for Livecoin. Livecoin isn't innocent though (they have scam accudation) but they are better than yobit. That's what the point is. When you have no reaction on yobit promoting them here, why would you have problem with Livecoin? That's what the point is.

You should ask suchmoon (see Yobit signature campaign participants 2020-01-23 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220231.0)).

I would stay away from having both Livecoin and yobit signatures, but if someone wants to risk and have target mark on their profiles, then go for it.
I am sure there will be some fun times in forum soon :)

What if they paid their participants after a week?

Can they be tagged now as a "legit campaign" and their sig participants won't have a tagged for promoting a scam exchange? Since based on other's experience, Livecoin is somehow giving a good service to them (currently).

Yobit, despite of negative reviews becomes a "legit campaign" for quite some time here. Although the difference is, Yobit hires a reputable manager and Livecoin is, locking their campaign thread and process the application privately.

Surely Livecoin will pay its participants in full this week.

 In the previous campaign also Livecoins I saw pay week 8 weeks and now restart the campaign by means of personal selection I don't know why they did this to avoid debate?

 What is highly debated is that promoting a scam project is bad for the forum because in the future it will definitely happen again if the problem is not resolved.

I've just had a look at the (locked) thread, the Google Spread Sheet link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tv7tkG6SSwrSOyz8PlBpUNxslh7dTxKCcgXiu0sKu3A/edit?usp=sharing) returns this:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/blob646b1682d7aa17b3.jpeg

the last post in the thread reads:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/16/bloba9ee7edfdd473348.jpeg

So people will just have to wait until they come across a UID with the signature and ask them directly.

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I actually missed this drama at the time - can anyone give an Ultra Short break down of what occurred please?

*edit*

Livecoin Manager sent Livecoin one merit last year: https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=LiveCoin%20Manager&to=LiveCoin which is a tut-tut offense IIRC

I did.


There is a sharp distance between paying out to your campaign participants and paying out to your own customers. It doesn't matter whether this campaign pays out or not if they are going to steal their customers' own money.

If you read the scam accusation against them https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159692.0 there's a post in there with more cases of Livecoin fraud.

FWIW, a service with as much negative trust as this wouldn't be allowed to buy forum ad slots, so in my opinion people should be discouraged fom advertising such services (remember the 1xbit fiasco?)

Why would someone want to display advertisements that naive people will click on and expose them to the risk? There were even four or five campaigns with open Hero/Legndary slots very recently so it's not like they had no other way of earning money.

That's right, we don't know if they always take funds every week from customers. I'm afraid that's what happens. Hmm, it's better to leave it than to be in trouble.

Look at the previous experience, it already has a bad reputation, it still won't be good if the fraud problem hasn't been resolved. They are currently not displaying the spreadsheet as it is private so it has been found that their behavior is always indecent.

sending one merit is not a big deal. I am more attracted to the fact that they are launching a campaign in this way. Behind the closed door, all working incognito.
As I know, the purpose of the signature campaign is to promote service, do it all secretly is a waste of money.
Also, they did not do anything in terms of correcting their reputation. I would like to understand their basic idea of this campaign and what is the goal there.

An expensive advise for user than cherish his reputation.

Thats for sure. It something that has happen during the Yobit and 1xbit campaign and it will definitely happen again thats if the forum DT dont want to hurt the feelings of users that are victims of the livecoin scam activities.

These are their standard working methods.  :-\

When they stole my money, and I said it publicly, they blocked everything else and tried to blackmail me to remove everything what I said about them so that no one would know the truth.

Is Livecoin campaign started yet or no?
I am not noticing members wearing their signature, and I am not sure is it because people are afraid to join or Livecoin delayed their campaign.

There are plenty of campaigns on Mitchell's overview of signature campaigns thread that operate and send payouts behind closed doors (PMs) so it's not unreasonable to assume that's how Livecoin is conducting their work with their participants.


Found a seventh:

7. FanEagle (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=144315)

In my opinion, neutral tagging not only the users confirmed to be in this campaign, but anybody wearing Livecoin's signature, for free or not, is appropriate.

Is it just me or all these accounts look like Alts 🤔
The Posting gaps and the last onlines from the time the Livecoin campaign manager announced for open spots have all been similar.

You are not the only one.
Merit exchange is also showing some connections are there, and I am sure forum investigation team is on this case as we speak :)

Looks live the Livecoin campaign has been either paused or halted, because all the people I tagged are wearing different signatures.

I removed all my tags, and I encourage anyone else who left any to do the same.

Maybe we should also notify the signature campaign overview thread that nobody is wearing the Livecoin signature anymore.  Livecoin did not make any update on their thread, the last edit was made on October 1 making it CFNP.

They have no option but to remove the signature, otherwise that tag will remain and they can't find a signature campaign anymore to join once the Livecoin campaign is over.  I guess we will not see them try again, unless they'll settle their scam accusation.

Also it will not be good for the campaign participants to wear the live coin signature and promoting the scam. We have seen in the past that participants who promote scam coin / projects are also tagged.

Some participants doesn't read about the reputation of the project they are promoting or some does not even have an idea on how trust system works, if they see there is money involved, they'll promote right away, they are just lucky that some DT give them a chance to leave the campaign and they will not get tagged.

Anyway, I think this thread will be in active again.

Livecoin mission failed  :D

Ah, I think this is where I'd seen Livecoin before.  I just posted in another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269732.msg55432063#msg55432063) that they're one of the exchanges that has Curecoin listed (I've become interested in the underlying project that generates them), but I knew I'd heard bad things about them. 

It sucks that some of these obscure altcoins are only listed on sometimes only one or two exchanges, usually based in Asia and not always available to US residents.  Ah well.  Glad someone bumped this thread.

Maybe that is the reason for the campaign at the pause no one wants to use the Livecoin signature it is not clear who will accept it, I am thankful that everyone has left Livecoin on appeal having to endure with uncertainty and tags from you I believe this is their awareness that Livecoin is deteriorating for their accounts alone.

Just on applying to be a participant of Livecoin signature campaign got into the blacklist of Yahoo. In his thread mentioned about  exclusion of the users on his campaigns until a review is done (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661654.msg16680998#msg16680998). Hoping for a review and get removed from his blacklist.

As much I can see, you are added much before on his blacklist. The last edit of his OP post there is 10 September 2019, so you added there not after this date and it is very possible that the reason is not your application on Livecoin signature campaign.
Whatever, you need to contact them for that because it is his own personal list and other managers are not obliged to use it as a reference.

Yes, I can understand. No others will consider it as a reference. I feel good on getting removed from the blacklist. Based on this spreadsheet data (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661654.msg51926199#msg51926199) he has added me to the blacklist.

Requesting him for removal from the blacklist looks like disturbing him. That's why I requested through this thread. Anyhow one day he'll go through and I can get the response.

Paused, sincerely writing, I didn't see any signature or avatar of livecoin campaign, how could spreadsheet be a hidden thing, I have have the second though that livecoin came again to fool participants that's all.
Its not someone's fault to get blacklisted by yahoo because of certain signature campaign applications on livecoin, well, I just hope you try to research more before applying for signature campaigns, same thing may likely to happen on Hex signature campaign applicants.

Things that do run out with having that kind of set-up where they do hide up something or doesnt show any transparency then expect that it would really be shady as hell
and people of this forum doesnt really like to be on that way.Livecoin signature might have stopped basing of that most of those listed accounts arent already  wearing
up the signature neither they had willingly stopped due to the fear of getting negged or simply the campaign had completely stopped.