Livecoin.net Scam

[LFC_Bitcoin]

MONA price - $1.94

What was the total value of other coins that you were able to withdraw please?

Is that all that’s left to deal with now 720 MONA?
Please don't tell me this whole mess & drama involving half of the fucking forum has been over 720 x of this penny stock shit coin?

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[izooomrud]

MONA price - $1.94

What was the total value of other coins that you were able to withdraw please?

Is that all that’s left to deal with now 720 MONA?
Please don't tell me this whole mess & drama involving half of the fucking forum has been over 720 x of this penny stock shit coin?

The number here does not matter. It is important how they relate to the user and that they allowed the conflict to grow to such a level because of this amount.

[mindrust]

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to be afraid of?

Locking his account was a mistake.

If I were Livecoin, I wouldn't lock hiS account, let him withdraw whatever funds he has there but I also wouldn't buy any mona coins from the market just to pay him since the missing shitcoins weren't livecoin's fault.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Locking his account was a mistake.

If I were Livecoin, I wouldn't lock hiS account, let him withdraw whatever funds he has there but I also wouldn't buy any mona coins from the market just to pay him since the missing shitcoins weren't livecoin's fault.

Totally agree mindrust, Livecoin should pay him the cost of the Mona tokens/coins in bitcoin & just be done with this sorry episode. I really thought this case must have been so much worse given all the publicity it got here.

[LiveCoin]

At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds. Concerning the situation with MONA, we posted news with detailed explanations following this link - https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/261
We are unable to bear more responsibility for an asset, than its developer. It is stated in the User agreement, which a user either accepts at signing up, or doesn't use our Service at all. The fact, that izooomrud used our Service, suggests that he agreed to this clause, saying the following:

The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

Besides alleged theft accusations, this user also made threats against us. His charges have no grounds at all and breach the User agreement rules, which the user accepted at registration, and that leads to the account shut-down.

[Hhampuz]

At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds. Concerning the situation with MONA, we posted news with detailed explanations following this link - https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/261
We are unable to bear more responsibility for an asset, than its developer. It is stated in the User agreement, which a user either accepts at signing up, or doesn't use our Service at all. The fact, that izooomrud used our Service, suggests that he agreed to this clause, saying the following:

The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

Besides alleged theft accusations, this user also made threats against us. His charges have no grounds at all and breach the User agreement rules, which the user accepted at registration, and that leads to the account shut-down.

I appreciate that you let the user withdraw their funds, this was the right thing to do just as delisting the MONA trading pair. You still have people here that don't think of you as scammers, so just continue doing what you are now doing and try and improve, that's all I could ask for anyways.

[Vadi2323]

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

[mindrust]

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

And?

I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?

[bob123]

I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?

You don't see it, because you don't use your had.

Obviously because OP said that even lying is not against ToS (which has been brought up by livecoin), everything OP says is a lie. 

If i were you, i wouldn't bother to argue with those people defending livecoin.
Anyone who doesn't accept that their ToS is illegal and their legal status is somewhat unknown either doesn't want to accept it or simply is delusional.

[Vadi2323]

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:

And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

And?

I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?

You have a business. izooomrud requires money from you, and if you refuse, he promises to give you black PR and destroy your business. Is it a threat or what?

Are you stupid or simply doing signature spam?

[bob123]

You have a business. Izumrud izooomrud requires money from you his money back from you, and if you refuse, he promises to give you black PR and destroy your business tell the truth. Is it a threat or what?

Fixed your mistakes.

And to answer your question.. well this could be seen as a threat. But a justified one.
"If you don't return my money, i tell the truth about you" is a threat. But this doesn't make it a 'bad one'.

Are you stuped or simply doing signature spam?

What is stuped ? Is this something to eat ?

[teeGUMES]

If your exchange has this clause

The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

And a coin you offer on the exchange has this in their license (monero)

IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT [...] DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, [...] LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS [...]) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY [...] INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE [...] ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE

There needs to be a little more to inform traders that if anything happens it falls completely on their own shoulders. You cant just shrug it off and say "well it's in the ToS". This information needs to be clear to the trader or else you're going to run into these public discussions where your exchange practices are scrutinized.

FWIW I personally don't think the word scam fits here, shady and untrustworthy are better descriptors and are why I still support this flag and if it weren't the Flag2 a Flag1 would be fully justified to warn newbies/guests.

[posi]

@izooomrud, hope your withdrawal is already confirmed?
I advice you not use an exchange site which couldnt give their users what they require (respect, sound support and active with their platform) cause they ought to have disable the coin (Mona) before you bought it.

[Vadi2323]

You have a business. Izumrud izooomrud requires money from you his money back from you, and if you refuse, he promises to give you black PR and destroy your business tell the truth. Is it a threat or what?

Fixed your mistakes. I have to make 15 shitposts today else.

And to answer your question.. well this could be seen as a threat. But a justified one.
"If you don't return my money, i tell the truth about you" is a threat. But this doesn't make it a 'bad one'.

Fixed your mistake too.

Are you stuped or simply doing signature spam?

What is stuped ? Is this something to eat ?

"Stupid" is signature spamming with shitposting for a few satoshis in English board of bitcointalk. When I come here I feel like in some signature brothel with signature whores. And each one wants to open a long dispute with me

[tranthidung]

At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds.

Looks a great initiative to end the drama, or at least help things cool down.
One more thing: I think you should claim that a new signature campaign run by @Livecoin Manager (just assume it is a new one from Livecoin) is an official campaign from Livecoin. There is drama that it is run by scammers, whom are not from Livecoin team. I don't think Livecoin exchange need another drama.

[Scheede]

At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds.

Looks a great initiative to end the drama, or at least help things cool down.
One more thing: I think you should claim that a new signature campaign run by @Livecoin Manager (just assume it is a new one from Livecoin) is an official campaign from Livecoin. There is drama that it is run by scammers, whom are not from Livecoin team. I don't think Livecoin exchange need another drama.

Indeed it does, a good thing, LiveCoin acted as they would have been expected to (earlier), but hey, it´s never to late.

Anyway, in order to re-gain trust I strongly recommend to not play any of these games with customers in future.

@izooomrud: please confirm that your account is "fully unblocked" and your funds are "free"

[izooomrud]

@izooomrud: please confirm that your account is "fully unblocked" and your funds are "free"

I have already talked about this before

I withdrew all the funds that I were available, however there is an issue with Mona coins. Currently, 720 Mona coins remain on my account balance. Several solutions of this issue were offered by me to the exchange, right now I am waiting for an answer.

[DarkStar_]

And a coin you offer on the exchange has this in their license (monero)

IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT [...] DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, [...] LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS [...]) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY [...] INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE [...] ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE

MONA also uses the same MIT license.

[2double0]

At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds.

Looks a great initiative to end the drama, or at least help things cool down.
One more thing: I think you should claim that a new signature campaign run by @Livecoin Manager (just assume it is a new one from Livecoin) is an official campaign from Livecoin. There is drama that it is run by scammers, whom are not from Livecoin team. I don't think Livecoin exchange need another drama.

It'll add another problem in their menu just so they didn't come ahead and tell us about it. I was skeptical about being a member of their new campaign (was accepted but deleted my application after knowing that they've got the real reds from many users here) and ofc, no confirmation about the campaign from Livecoin's Officials. If it ends like that 'where there's a one week shout by the participants who didn't leave yet and they don't get paid a damn Satoshi out of it', their efforts to save livecoin 'just because they believe they are going to make some big fat amounts' will go waters. Let's see if that 'Livecoin Manager' sums it up to paying them for real or these guys are going to kill their chances of getting accepted in future campaigns of many managers for their behavior.

[Hueristic]

Well, isn't Ironic that they tried to hide behind terms and conditions that they themselfs do not adhere to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bv0427/livecoinnet_may_have_actually_tried_to_breach_the/

TLDR: They tried to make Monero Devs pay for a wallet hack and withheld their users Monero over the hack when it was their fault for not keeping their wallet updated. 

I'll keep my vote on SCAM Exchange.