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July 08, 2019, 01:55:22 PM
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You know I'm not a big fan of Quickseller but him supporting this accusation doesn't make it any less valid. I would prefer him to not use this for personal attacks against Hhampuz, just as I would prefer you to not turn this into a Quickseller conspiracy, but we can't have everything we want, can we Smiley

I think that the flag holds some merit AND Quickseller is using the situation to exact his revenge.

And as stated by the criteria for opposing a flag: I believe that it is at least partially false, which is why I am in opposition to it. I can break down the ways in which it is "partially false" for you if you'd like, but I think everybody's said everything they have to say by this point.

I still hold out out hope that izooomrud and Livecoin can eventually reach some kind of resolution.

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July 08, 2019, 02:05:54 PM
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Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.
You know I'm not a big fan of Quickseller but him supporting this accusation doesn't make it any less valid. I would prefer him to not use this for personal attacks against Hhampuz, just as I would prefer you to not turn this into a Quickseller conspiracy, but we can't have everything we want, can we Smiley

I think that the flag holds some merit AND Quickseller is using the situation to exact his revenge.

And as stated by the criteria for opposing a flag: I believe that it is at least partially false, which is why I am in opposition to it. I can break down the ways in which it is "partially false" for you if you'd like, but I think everybody's said everything they have to say by this point.

I still hold out out hope that izooomrud and Livecoin can eventually reach some kind of resolution.

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July 08, 2019, 02:12:56 PM
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I am interested in something else, why these people have so much time for such things. I occasionally go to the topics, sometimes I can write something but rarely. I just have no time.
The market is now very active and with risk you can get a tangible profit. So, the question is - if black PR is not the main type of activity of these people, then when do they work?
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July 08, 2019, 02:16:46 PM
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You know I'm not a big fan of Quickseller but him supporting this accusation doesn't make it any less valid. I would prefer him to not use this for personal attacks against Hhampuz, just as I would prefer you to not turn this into a Quickseller conspiracy, but we can't have everything we want, can we Smiley

I think that the flag holds some merit AND Quickseller is using the situation to exact his revenge.


I think Hhampuz should have done the right thing and close down the LiveCoin campaign. I get that the ~quarter BTC is a lot of money to earn from running it every month, but there is a good amount of evidence that LiveCoin is acting in a way that a reputable person should not want to be associated with -- preventing customers who publicly criticize the company from withdrawing their deposits -- and no amount of money should compromise his (or anyone who is participating in the campaign) ethics. If I were in his situation, I would most certainly be unhappy about having to give up that income, but I unequivocally would have done the right thing.   


But, you know, facts don’t really matter. Do they?

It is clear that your opinion can be bought for something less than 0.02 btc/week. As such, it is worthless.

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July 08, 2019, 02:29:13 PM
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Distraction Intensifies

If you were a legitimate exchange you would be spending this attention on you by explaining what happened and how you are going to address it, not by repeating yourself, pointing more fingers, and begging for people to say nice things about you. You are fighting a losing battle. Every move you make exposes your weakness more and more. You clearly don't intend on taking the advice of any of the experienced members of the community here, so enjoy the inevitable failure of your exchange as your reputation rots from the inside out.


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July 08, 2019, 02:29:52 PM
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But, you know, facts don’t really matter. Do they?

Your opinion is not a fact. Furthermore, I don't believe you meant what you said for one second. You're not exactly notable for "doing the right thing."

It is clear that your opinion can be bought for something less than 0.02 btc/week. As such, it is worthless.

Funny, I feel the same way about your opinion.

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July 08, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
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~snip~

Funny, I feel the same way about your opinion.

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July 08, 2019, 02:42:11 PM
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Even after our support service suggested several solutions of the conflict

What kind of solutions you proposed to this user (izooomrud) BEFORE his negative feedbacks?
Please, voice all of them to us.

Our Support service suggested several solutions of the problem
Yep, again: What solutions do you proposed to him?

You clearly don't intend on taking the advice of any of the experienced members of the community here

I.e nerds, jacks of all trades, trolls.
I've corrected your post a little.


 
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July 08, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
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libel and slander is violating terms of services and can lead to blocking of the account.

It's not libel or slander if it's true.  And even if it was libel or slander, one crime does not justify another.  It's illegal to block, temporarily suspend, or otherwise prevent the client's access to his assets unless you've been instructed to do so by a law enforcement agency, or he has used your platform to commit a crime.  Not only are you breaking the laws of almost every civilized country (and admitting it in your own ToS,) it's also unethical.


Attention! Livecoin exchange is under massive Black PR attack. A lot of accounts spread fake information.
We ask our clients to help us by posting of positive messages or support our Exchange with trust.

Really?  This is your plan to fix your broken image?


So, now that you've gotten the rant about the OP off of your chest, how about you explain why you allowed trading of a hacked fork on your system for THREE WEEKS after suspecting the breach within hours?  Please explain why you think the dev team is responsible for your actions.  Did you earn any commissions while trading the hacked fork?  Did you pocket the commission you earned by trading the hacked fork?

It's not the words of some random disgruntled client on the internet that's ruining your reputation, it's your own words and actions.

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July 08, 2019, 04:50:02 PM
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I gotta take a break from Google Translate otherwise I'll have nightmares in Cyrillic tonight. I think this is at an impasse. Livecoin thinks they have enough support to ignore the flag and the remaining signature bearers won't budge either. Not sure what else can be said or done here.

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July 08, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
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I gotta take a break from Google Translate otherwise I'll have nightmares in Cyrillic tonight. I think this is at an impasse. Livecoin thinks they have enough support to ignore the flag and the remaining signature bearers won't budge either. Not sure what else can be said or done here

They will ignore the flag whether we support them or not

I think that should be abundantly clear by now given the reply they have posted today. And to see things in the proper perspective, it is not just "the remaining signature bearers" who oppose the flag (truth be told, I do not, yet). There are quite a few forum members who just disagree with this mostly unfounded accusation. But you can always accuse them of having vested interests in this affair (like, for example, using that exchange themselves, or whatever)

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They will ignore the flag whether we support them or not

I think that should be abundantly clear by now following from the reply they have given today. And to see things in the correct perspective, it is not just "the remaining signature bearers" who oppose the flag. There are quite a few forum members who just disagree with this mostly unfounded accusation. But you can always accuse them of having vested interests (like, for example, using that exchange for trading)

The signature bearers are the only ones who might have some influence. Whether that would be enough to sway Livecoin or not - that's another discussion. I'd think that the amount they spend on advertising here is a good indication that they see value in it and perhaps wouldn't want to lose it over a ridiculous TOS clause.

The accusation is fully supported by Livecoin's own words so you can't really call it "unfounded". Perhaps you meant "insignificant" enough for you to keep carrying the signature. As for "vested interests" - I would refer you back to the aforementioned TOS... it's more of a hostage situation.

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They will ignore the flag whether we support them or not

I think that should be abundantly clear by now following from the reply they have given today. And to see things in the correct perspective, it is not just "the remaining signature bearers" who oppose the flag. There are quite a few forum members who just disagree with this mostly unfounded accusation. But you can always accuse them of having vested interests (like, for example, using that exchange for trading)

The signature bearers are the only ones who might have some influence. Whether that would be enough to sway Livecoin or not - that's another discussion. I'd think that the amount they spend on advertising here is a good indication that they see value in it and perhaps wouldn't want to lose it over a ridiculous TOS clause

The tail wags the dog?

And what influence do we have exactly? Tomorrow (technically, Wednesday) is the payday which may well turn out to be the last day of the LiveCoin signature campaign. And if it does end tomorrow, it will be the impasse you are talking about. Ironically, to resolve the situation every party here (well, mostly) should be interested in the continuation of the campaign as all of us ("the signature bearers") are unanimous that the account should be unlocked, the user let in and then let out (more like kicked out, but you get the point)

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July 08, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
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They will ignore the flag whether we support them or not

I think that should be abundantly clear by now following from the reply they have given today. And to see things in the correct perspective, it is not just "the remaining signature bearers" who oppose the flag. There are quite a few forum members who just disagree with this mostly unfounded accusation. But you can always accuse them of having vested interests (like, for example, using that exchange for trading)

The signature bearers are the only ones who might have some influence. Whether that would be enough to sway Livecoin or not - that's another discussion. I'd think that the amount they spend on advertising here is a good indication that they see value in it and perhaps wouldn't want to lose it over a ridiculous TOS clause

The tail wags the dog?

And what influence do we have exactly? Tomorrow (technically, Wednesday) is the payday which may well turn out to be the last day of the LiveCoin signature campaign. And if it does end tomorrow, it will be the impasse you are talking about. Ironically, to resolve the situation every party here (well, mostly) should be interested in the continuation of the campaign as all of us ("the signature bearers") are unanimous that the account should be unlocked, the user let in and then let out (more like kicked out, but you get the point)
The signature bearers are continuing to support LiveCoin via advertising their signature in exchange for payment.

Ideally, a reputable signature bearer would cease displaying their signature once they determine that LiveCoin has scammed at least one of their customers as is the case here.

I don’t think the signature campaign is going to end. Hhampuz needs the money too much to close the campaign down and LiveCoin wants the advertising. It appears there are enough people with positive reputation (on its face — this will likely change) who are willing to ignore the scam in return for the 0.02 they are receiving.

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After reading through this thread and seeing livecoin admit to holding the users account "hostage" until he removes all the negative press against them, I've formed the opinion that all users should cease wearing the advertisement for them and the campaign should be closed.

This essentially is no different than the Betcoin issue. The monetary amount is different, but a scam is a scam. Everyone sure had an opinion on that issue and pressured users wearing the sig to remove the signature.

It's ridiculous for the exchange to have such shady ToS knowing full well most users probably do not read them anyways. Basically they have admitted to wrongdoing(even though in their minds they are right), they don't really care about the bitcointalk communities opinion or they wouldn't hold the OPs coins hostage until he removed comments.

Sometimes pressure from this community is what gets things done, and users have a right to voice their opinions or concerns.

Can someone link me to all flags against this exchange, i'll give some support. I would also like to ask community opinion on the campaign continuing?

 
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After reading through this thread and seeing livecoin admit to holding the users account "hostage" until he removes all the negative press against them, I've formed the opinion that all users should cease wearing the advertisement for them and the campaign should be closed.

This essentially is no different than the Betcoin issue. The monetary amount is different, but a scam is a scam. Everyone sure had an opinion on that issue and pressured users wearing the sig to remove the signature.

It's ridiculous for the exchange to have such shady ToS knowing full well most users probably do not read them anyways. Basically they have admitted to wrongdoing(even though in their minds they are right), they don't really care about the bitcointalk communities opinion or they wouldn't hold the OPs coins hostage until he removed comments.

Sometimes pressure from this community is what gets things done, and users have a right to voice their opinions or concerns.

Can someone link me to all flags against this exchange, i'll give some support. I would also like to ask community opinion on the campaign continuing?

The only flag that I am aware of is the OP. He gives the link in the first post. However, here is the link, again.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=308
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This is really and interesting statement from an exchange, you are blaming a user for him complaining about you and calling out your shady behavior and using it as an argument to save your repo.

This in no way is going to solve the problems here or inclined people to believe your decisions are right. Its a simple come-out through this situation for you, which is just unlock the person's account and let him enjoy his shitcoins, or compensate the loss with any other crypto.

You would probably get lots of bad reviews on twitter from any of your costumers, that doesn't mean you would get garb hold of all his assets on your exchange. You are just avoiding taking the right step here, as advised by many.

The only winner here is Quickseller. This is exactly what he hoped would happen. Is there any doubt that he wouldn't give two shits about OP's problem if he hadn't been kicked from the Livecoin campaign? He's had this long-running, stupid smear campaign against Hhampuz for quite some time now; I bet he's enjoying every minute of this.

You really have a thrash sense of judgement, this issue is about a service and there reaction to a effected costumer, you are just steering the drama with you bullshit.

I would advice not taking this person serious, he just looks like wiping his ass with the livecoin signature here and accusing for his personal agendas.

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Well at least I can say that I tried. I am not happy with the response LiveCoin gave in here and I have given them my notice that the Campaign will end after payments have been sent out tomorrow. And as I previously stated, flag me or neg me I really could not be bothered but I'll be damned if I ever succumb to bullying by users who's entire existence appears to be spreading negativity and putting others down. But then I've come to expect nothing short of just that which is why this forum matters less and less with each day passing by.

@OP. Hope your situation gets a resolution, I'm officially done and I'm out of here.

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July 08, 2019, 06:50:22 PM
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Well at least I can say that I tried. I am not happy with the response LiveCoin gave in here and I have given them my notice that the Campaign will end after payments have been sent out tomorrow. And as I previously stated, flag me or neg me I really could not be bothered but I'll be damned if I ever succumb to bullying by users who's entire existence appears to be spreading negativity and putting others down. But then I've come to expect nothing short of just that which is why this forum matters less and less with each day passing by.

@OP. Hope your situation gets a resolution, I'm officially done and I'm out of here.

You did your best to make them understand the situation and do things right and that alone shows your strong character. Its really sad to see all efforts going wasted. I am also out of supporting Livecoin after reading their recent reply.

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July 08, 2019, 06:58:01 PM
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Can someone link me to all flags against this exchange, i'll give some support.
Here you go https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=308

I would also like to ask community opinion on the campaign continuing?
Someone who is keeping other people's money without their will should not be advertised. Not only it is theft by exchange, it is morally wrong to advertise such service and campaign should be stopped until they resolve this.

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