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Chinese crypto market is clearly different and unique in its nature similar to the uniqueness of almost everything in China.
A few weeks ago I was on a China tour visiting numerous VCs to initiate the funding process of my crypto project.
I realized that the investors, regardless of their shapes and sizes, are mainly interested in one thing; The token performance. The idea and technology behind the project comes in second place - or maybe later.
However, I came back with huge learnings. As a tech guy I focused primarily on the technology. But obviously community build up and PR are key factors.
If the public are keen to buy your token your project is a success. Long term is not an option.

How has the market and investor apetite changed in the past few months in the USA?

Are there still angel investors in the crypto space?

There are still remaining angel investors the fact that I just talked to someone and told me that the boss that he's working with is still looking into private sales. I don't know what pushes him to get in touch of it maybe there's still something within it. I'm not also from US but they are becoming stricter and looking to the scene now. Unlike before, they are letting this pass but now they are taking it seriously the crypto space.

In USA there were so many restrictions to the investors and that's why the majority of the ico platforms are avoiding to accept investors from USA to participate in any kind of crowdsale.

What you must remember if in the crypto token is a really important part and as the developer and it's responsibility to keep the token's performance in the best way consider about this is not a stock market and when you are seeing crypto market and this is a public sale and it's not for audited investors only.

most chinese are always into investment and making money so its not surprising they are into crypto and their government are also now developing systems with blockchain. here in the forum its totally different though, while they look at token performance, crypto online users are looking into projects whether its scam or not regardless of its performance, idea and technology behind it.

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Well, I don't have contact with him anymore and it's not actually my job to tell his boss that I've found something. They are working on their own and it's on their discretion. I don't know the metrics they use upon choosing the projects he will invest.

Yes, they are pushed to school to study and not find a decent job but to have a decent business.

yes. they are. they migrate to different countries to find greener pastures and build business of their own. sometimes they eat just twice a day to make sure they save money for their future plans. this race is push to their limits in every way. they win businesses, olympics and just maybe in crypto as well.

look who runs some of the great crypto projects today, its the chinese. if there are investors today in crypto, i would likely believe its them but these are projects mostly offered privately. has anyone heard of chinese GOOSEQ project?

They are the known best investors and businessmen in the world. And almost in all countries there would always be a china town which means that they've been there for a long time. I haven't heard about that project that you mentioned, what's with that project?
Is there anything that seems to be very interesting with it?

So from a token value improvement point of view, is there a guide book of the Do's and Dont's that one should align with?
Is making the token an integral part of the usage of the solution as a utility token a good guarantee for maintaining its value?

Its not a surprise that they want profits sooner and won't care about the result in long term,we can relate this mindset with made in China products which is cheap but not durable.If you can market it then you can make decent profits but as a whole project it will fail once the investors dump it.

People are impatience. And when it comes to cryptocurrency market, they are particularly impatience as they do not have time to wait for long. Why they should wait for long term when other projects give short term profits? So I also think project performance is a must to attract investors. Forget about long term vision in crypto market.

most of those people whom you saw in China and specially those who are so interested in tokens are mostly gamblers who are trying to test their luck in the altcoin market by making bets on different random coins in the exchanges and make profit if their luck was good on that bet and they won. they aren't really investors. that is why sometimes they are targeted for this type of investments, since they are easier to fool into thinking there is a technology where it is just repetition of previous work!

That's interesting I just thought, all investors are looking for technology, and concept but to the Chinese, they are more on hype, this could be the reason why we have so many pumps and dump coins in the market, PR and marketing are great but it cannot sustain without something the community will use that will identify the coin.

Asian part of the world always have interest to invest in technology and crypto is a huge part that caught them in the eye not just china only, Singapore and Korea also follows among the rest, i am not surprised that U.S is always cut off from presales by some projects its because of the law of that country, way too much restrictions

you are very wrong. long-term vision is a must if you want to be successful. if you don’t understand where the whole industry is moving, then you better for you to leave this market right now

After the Chinese experience I shall test the US investor sentiment. Hoping for a different and more positive experience. Later on I intend to revisit the Asian market from a different perspective than only China.
The aim is not only to realize the differences but to engage investors who would not only invest for the coin value increase but as stakeholders.
But at the same time listing in Chinese exchanges is quite important.
I hope the requirements from investors in the west vs. east are not conflicting.
Who has insights from the rest of the Asia market?

Wait, how do the investors you described predict the token perfomance on the private sale stage, if not from the fundamentals behind the token/coin?

In the crypto market, as in every market, China is doing very different things. If Chinese investors put money into a project, it means that the project will come to a very good place. Because they have a lot of money and they know how to handle things.

Generally speaking, the investor in Asia is almost exactly the same as China. I have a few friends and what they care the most is token performance not the technology itself, I kinda disappointed to hear it but what can I do? most of us think cryptocurrency is the place to double your money, only a few people think cryptocurrency as a revolutionary of our current technology. But I hear Japan, Singapore, and Malaysia is a good place to find angel investors. Other than that, it is practically impossible to find it.

They either rely on their trusted exchanges which if the token is listed in means it will increase in value even for a short period which enables them to dump or by understanding how the coin issuer is will guarantee such price increase. One very important aspect also is the size of the community in the crypto project itself.

Ok, that's a whole different thing then. I thought you were specifically talking about private sales, if it is in the exchange it isn't private sale anymore and if there's a community already, it's already out of that phase as well.

What people are interested in is the ROI not only Chinese, not the technology because it takes long term to gain adoption, the huge ROI of 2017 and early 2018 which was insane IMO seems to be driving people's expectations when investing into Crypto and one thing I see now is that they market is maturing and we need to grasp this. I can see project now waiting for their Mainnet release before releasing their tokens for trading, these are positive signs for the space

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As far as I know, most crypto projects are not accessible to investors from the United States because of their policies. I think that in China it will be easier for you to find investors for your project.

i just think , mostly investor came not from USA , but from Asia and europe indeed.
and also , since many many regulations created by USA goverment, it will be make some , well let's say "stuck" for USA investor.
about angel investor, are u believe there still have a good project for angel investor ?
considering angel investor assest is one of the longest lock up period.

From a number of projects that I found and some of them indeed forbid investors from several countries of America and China to invest in the ico project, but I think now the ico project is starting to provide opportunities for investors from countries that do not block cryptocurrency to be able to fully invest , and this is the right step if project developers now begin to look at investors in the Asian region and also in the Middle East because as far as I know there are no specific rules governing the prohibition of cryptocurrency on both continents.

strictly speaking,issuing tokens and funding raise in China is illegal.

but sometimes,regulators not punished these token issuers,because they selected to create the foundation outside of China.

There are still plenty of angel investors available if your project genuinely appeals. Especially with low interest rates and further cuts incoming probably, which means that people are looking for places to invest their funds instead of keeping it in the bank.

However, most projects right now as you say are either privately funded through equity, or go public but are completely garbage projects.

As an investment, it's a difficult predicament to navigate through for sure. I personally think that ICO investing right now is futile, unless the wider markets pick up. While if you have sufficient funds, seeking to be an angel investor could prove to be more profitable.

In my opinion, there are still many venture capital companies that want to be involved in the cryptocurrency market. Token sales may be banned in China but there are many ways to outsmart regulations. I think that gradually many countries will regulate cryptocurrency because technology is hard to block

the existing dex today, its also going to be hard to regulate cyrptocurrency. governments will realized this including China which they can only prevent with what they have such as using alipay to buy BTC, outside of it they can't control it. the growth of crypto users is mere proof that there is no stopping this technology. they are even starting to use the system which lead them to create digital yuan, its like paving their way to using blockchain in every financial system. when all these takes place, we may see more blockchain projects from china in private sale that only the Chinese knew.

OP, truth is a lot it investors are losing interest in tokens sales because a good number of them have lost a lot in it previously this makes it a priority.
You don't blame them, no body wants to put money where it will not furnish.
If you will offer something different, people might be interested in the tokens performance at first then this performance says alot of how they will be interested in the technology behind it in the long run.

It is not surprising that investors are primarily interested in a strong PR of any project, because they want to make a profit from their investments. In addition, blockchain is a high-tech industry, and rich investors do not like to risk a lot of capital, so they are careful to invest in too exotic technologies. However, the industry is developing and more and more venture investors want to develop new directions in the market of blockchain technologies. And Yes, it is easier to find investors in a cryptocurrency project in China than in the US.

The Chinese are interested in short-term profits. All Chinese projects do not last long. They are not used to developing their product. At the same time, in the USA, the cryptocurrency is treated cautiously and people invest only in those projects that have proven themselves in the cryptocurrency market. I believe that the Chinese are aimed at the mass of the project. The Americans are focused on the prospects of the project.

The Chinese market is in a complete expansion progress so expect anything from them when it comes to investments. The big money are in Asia now and in China especially so no wonder why they are so interested in tokens performance regarding your project as they think if its has performance it can have anything after. I have a lot of friends who were to study in China and never come back into my country again as the businesses opportunities are huge and in a continues climbing situation as China exploits every new sectors of businesses so maybe your angel investors are in China...just have a look 10 years ago at 5 major cities from China and then compare them to the current day to see how powerful China has become  :o .

Very interesting experience you learn from your China tour and I guess that reflect the current state of crypto market today. Regardless of the fundamentals behind the project, people are just looking to make money out of it, whether it has real life usage or not. And that's why there are a lot of tokens that offers nothing in crypto space but you will be surprised that investors are putting money on them, or simply put runs a pump and dump scheme.


Not sure though about the US but I will speculate that they have the same mindset as well (I might be wrong though.) I do believed that there are still investors here but it's hard to find them because of the current market situations.

believe me, the Americans are also trying to steal a piece in the short term. The Chinese also have enough projects that have been on the market for quite a long time and they are also developing with great strides.

Maybe in some point you are right but not all inside US are aiming for long term support some of them are also have the same point of views regarding to quick benefits. Maybe the ratio is more from China who wanted for instant profits when the project got listed and completely sold everything to take the profits that they are after. The concept still depends from investors mindsets there's no certain venue or people to be exact.

Have china open selling their own cryptocurrency? I check there not information about their coin assets have selling for public because China have banned bitcoin and altcoin as investment and transaction payment, maybe they want to adopt bitcoin again possible with bitcoin and altcoin have make many investor interested for joining bitcoin as investment assets or trading assets, with China want to open pre sale for the coin I think crypto world will raise up again.

Yes just like in indonesia , one of big indonesia crypto exchange owner was created a cryptofoundation with his friends in singapore because in indonesia cryptocurrency is not regulated and was banned also.
I think it's the only way for the people who their country is banned from crypto

Imagine why China have already some stablecoin in some exchanges. I think China is just playing safe when they announce the crypto Ban in their country before for what? So the market could plummeted and they can buy some of cheap major coins such as btc and eth. I guess Chinese are really good and very wise. No wonder they are almost the number 1 Country when it comes to global economy next to US. Im sure China will dominate also in cryptomarket.

news can sometimes be baffling when you learn that there are coins developed and are supported by Chinese government agencies and some companies related to telecom while some other news says crypto is banned in China. i don't believe it anymore what is real today is that no government can stop blockchain technology, its all there is. one day we will see that US citizen can finally invest to any projects.

I can tell you that most investors of altcoins in particular only want cryptocurrency project now for a short-term profit because they have already given up on the long-term profit of it since the ones they have had in the past has not really yielded them much profit.

Chinese people don’t believe much in cryptocurrency, although they will actually engage in it to get the benefit of it, and that is why they are more likely to always pull out on every project once they get a little profit, but it is only bitcoin that I know is the project that most people of the world wants to hold for a long term, because they believe in the future and the long-term benefit of it. So, I would not expect any Chinese project to really stay long in the market as it will be a project for pump and dump.