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Title: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 11:19:57 AM
Hello everybody,

hope you doing great.

A question/issue has accurred regarding Electrum wallet. I made a transaction from an Electrum wallet on Windows to an Electrum wallet on Tails (both are mine) - the transaction DOES NOT show in the wallet on Tails, even though it has now 140+ confirmations in the wallet on Windows.

(23rd of September) 2 transactions were made - none of them show of.

(24th of September) I realized, the wallet on tails is not up to date and so I had to download the Appimage - as it was in the instructions, I followed on the Electrum Website. Now transactions are dispatched on Tails immediately, once it's send.

But the other 2 trans. are "lost" - Where are they, why are they not dispatched? Does it has to do with, me sending it to not the latest version of the wallet? How can I get the Bitcoins?

Phishing or hacker attack comes out of question - because the wallet on Tails is already installed; the wallet on windows I verified.

The wallet on Tails - before I downloaded the Appimage, wallet was always offline. (Bottom left side it says "Not connected" or "Synchronizing").

First I made a test transaction (from Windows to Tails) of €1 - it came straight away. Now a long time past, it couldn't get confirmed on Tails, even though on Windows it had 10+ confirmations. Next day it says in the transaction status on Tails "Not verified" - it wasn't there before!

After I made a test transfer and 2h past and it was not confirmed, I transferred €2.600 (from Windows to Tails wallet as before). This transaction didn't even show of in the wallet on Tails. Until now it's not showing it at all even though on Windows wallet it has 200+ confirmations.

The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.


So where the hell are this 2 transfers in God's Name?


Guys, I appreciate very much your time and answer!



Awaiting on your reply

Thank you!




Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AB de Royse777 on September 25, 2019, 11:22:56 AM
A question/issue has accurred regarding Electrum wallet. I made a transaction from an Electrum wallet on Windows to an Electrum wallet on Tails (both are mine) - the transaction DOES NOT show in the wallet on Tails, even though it has now 140+ confirmations in the wallet on Windows.
In the block explorer do you see the destination address is the one you provided or you see a different address?

I suggest you to install the latest version in both machine and run the Electrum client again. Be online when you do it.

https://electrum.org/#download <== make sure you verify the signature before installing.

Here is a tutorial if you need it in case: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-verify-your-electrum-download/


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 11:37:03 AM
A question/issue has accurred regarding Electrum wallet. I made a transaction from an Electrum wallet on Windows to an Electrum wallet on Tails (both are mine) - the transaction DOES NOT show in the wallet on Tails, even though it has now 140+ confirmations in the wallet on Windows.
In the block explorer do you see the destination address is the one you provided or you see a different address?

I suggest you to install the latest version in both machine and run the Electrum client again. Be online when you do it.

https://electrum.org/#download <== make sure you verify the signature before installing.

Here is a tutorial if you need it in case: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-verify-your-electrum-download/

Thanks Royse777

The destination address is the one, I provided!

I have on Windows and Tails both latest version


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: nc50lc on September 25, 2019, 11:42:38 AM
As a last resort, you can restore the seed to your Windows PC; but if you decided not to:
I can only suggest you to create a watch-only wallet based from your Tails electrum's master public key.

You can get it by clicking "wallet->information" under "Master Public Key".
Then restore in your Windows PC using the options "Standard Wallet->Use a Master Key".

It will be created as a watch-only wallet that doesn't contain any sensitive info,
just for verification if the transactions went through.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 11:48:32 AM
Thanks nc50lc,

do you mean I have to restore the Tails's wallet on Windows?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AB de Royse777 on September 25, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
~snip~

Thanks Royse777

The destination address is the one, I provided!

I have on Windows and Tails both latest version
Good to hear that you are safe. The coins are in their wallet no doubt. Please always keep the seeds safe.

do you mean I have to restore the Tails's wallet on Windows?
That's what understand too.

If you do not want to restore it in the same Windows machine then use another machine if you have.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Rath_ on September 25, 2019, 11:51:19 AM
-snip

Click on the red dot or synchronization icon in the bottom-right corner and check if your 'Proxy' settings are intact. You might need to enable it and configure it so that Electrum could connect to other servers via Tor.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: nc50lc on September 25, 2019, 11:53:25 AM
Thanks nc50lc,

do you mean I have to restore the Tails's wallet on Windows?
You can create a watch-only wallet to your WindowsPC for balance-viewing without opening your Tails wallet.
FYI, Electrum can create multiple wallet files.

It's like creating a copy of the whole wallet which can view the balance and transaction history (except the labels).
But by using the Master Public Key, you or a hacker won't be able to sign transactions using that "copy".

You can also restore the Tail Electrum's SEED to your WindowsPC if you failed to find a way to connect your wallet.
That's what I meant by "last resort" or no other choice.

BTW, what is the exact version number?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
Thanks nc50lc,

do you mean I have to restore the Tails's wallet on Windows?
You can create a watch-only wallet to your WindowsPC for balance-viewing without opening your Tails wallet.
FYI, Electrum can create multiple wallet files.

It's like creating a copy of the whole wallet which can view the balance and transaction history (except the labels).
But by using the Master Public Key, you or a hacker won't be able to sign transactions using that "copy".

You can also restore the Tail Electrum's SEED to your WindowsPC if you failed to find a way to connect your wallet.
That's what I meant by "last resort" or no other choice.

BTW, what is the exact version number?

nc50ic,

alright, I will do that.

Then I make the post if it worked.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 12:13:25 PM
-snip

Click on the red dot or synchronization icon in the bottom-right corner and check if your 'Proxy' settings are intact. You might need to enable it and configure it so that Electrum could connect to other servers via Tor.

Thanks BitCryptex,

to configure how? I tried to choose between different servers, none of them worked.

But now it's not a problem, since it has the latest version - it's online.

The problem is that my 2 transactions are not visible in the wallet on Tails (where it was transferred to)


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Rath_ on September 25, 2019, 12:18:48 PM
to configure how? I tried to choose between different servers, none of them worked.
But now it's not a problem, since it has the latest version - it's online.

If it says 'Connected' then I guess it won't help. You can try enabling the proxy, selecting SOCKS5 and leaving the rest at default settings. What is the number next to the 'Blockchain' in the 'Overview'? It should be '596508 blocks' at the time of writing this post.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
Which version are you using on tails ?
Are you sure your wallet is connected (green dot) ? Are you connecting via tor ?

To be absolutely sure that the address owning the funds is part of your wallet (especially after restoring multiple times):
Do you see the address you sent the funds to (blockchain explorer) in your tails wallet in the Addresses tab ? If yes, you are fine. You definitely have control over the funds. It is just a network/displaying issue.

If you don't see the address there, open the electrum console (View -> Show console) and enter:
Code:
ismine("1YourAddressHere")

If it returns true, the address is part of your wallet and you don't have to worry at all. Your funds arrived in your wallet. It is just a network/displaying issue.
If it returns false, the address is not part of your wallet. In this case you either restored it from the wrong seed or sent to a wrong address.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Lucius on September 25, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
Which version are you using on tails ?
Are you sure your wallet is connected (green dot) ? Are you connecting via tor ?

To be absolutely sure that the address owning the funds is part of your wallet (especially after restoring multiple times):
Do you see the address you sent the funds to (blockchain explorer) in your tails wallet in the Addresses tab ? If yes, you are fine. You definitely have control over the funds. It is just a network/displaying issue.

If you don't see the address there, open the electrum console (View -> Show console) and enter:
Code:
ismine("1YourAddressHere")

If it returns true, the address is part of your wallet and you don't have to worry at all. Your funds arrived in your wallet. It is just a network/displaying issue.
If it returns false, the address is not part of your wallet. In this case you either restored it from the wrong seed or sent to a wrong address.

Thanks bob123,

that is exactly the issue. If I check the transaction on Tail with QR code, it says "this transaction is not for your wallet" (or some similar sentence)

How  can I get now THAT address back to my wallet?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:39:31 PM
How  can I get now THAT address back to my wallet?

You can't.
You need the private key. And without the secret information (the correct seed) which is used to derive it, its not possible.


Did you check whether this address belongs to your wallet ?
If you don't see the address there, open the electrum console (View -> Show console) and enter:
Code:
ismine("1YourAddressHere")

If it returns false, it is not and never was part of your wallet.
In this case you might have restored from the wrong mnemonic code ? Or the address changed while copying it (e.g. clipping board malware) ?
Are you sure that the address receiving the transaction was part of your wallet ?

What did the address start with ? 1.. 3.. or bc1.. ? Is it the same as the address of your current wallet ?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.

Thanks Lucius,

I thinks that is exactly the issue now. It generated different address but the one I sent the BTC to, is not included!

So how can I get that address back to my wallet?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 06:50:30 PM
So how can I get that address back to my wallet?

Please answer all questions  ;)


What did the address start with ? 1.. 3.. or bc1.. ? Is it the same as the address of your current wallet ?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 06:51:15 PM
If it returns false, it is not and never was part of your wallet.
In this case you might have restored from the wrong mnemonic code ? Or the address changed while copying it (e.g. clipping board malware) ?
Are you sure that the address receiving the transaction was part of your wallet ?

What did the address start with ? 1.. 3.. or bc1.. ? Is it the same as the address of your current wallet ?
[/quote]


bob123,

No I didn't check, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna come up "false"

I made a shot of QR code (Electrum on Tails) and then pasted the same QR code on Electrum on Windows. So it can't be wrong in this case?!

It's legacy address, started with 1!

My current addresses on Tail start as well with 1, if I'm not mistaken. I'm gonna check it in a minute

Is it an option to restore it on some other wallet like ENJIN, Bread etc.?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 25, 2019, 07:06:46 PM
The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.

This only applies if the seed was originally generated using some other software. If his seed was generated by electrum then there is no need to manually choose between different script types. The seed itself is enough.

@andrroos wallet restoration related problems are covered in this FAQ: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . Do go through it and tell us what you find out. If this FAQ doesn't solve your problem then do share the answers to the questions posed there so we can troubleshoot further.

Native electrum seeds don't work in other software.





Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 07:23:43 PM
If both address types are legacy, it seems like either you got infected by a clipping malware (malware changing BTC addresses in your clipping board) or you copy/pasted the wrong address.

The only way to be sure whether this address is part of your wallet is to check it via the console with ismine("...").

If this returns false, your only chance is that you have used the wrong mnemonic code to restore your wallet and that the correct one is still stored somewhere else. Otherwise your funds are unfortunately gone.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 07:24:26 PM
Abdussamad,

thanks, I will go through it now.

I'll post what I found out, once I'm done.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 08:07:50 PM
If both address types are legacy, it seems like either you got infected by a clipping malware (malware changing BTC addresses in your clipping board) or you copy/pasted the wrong address.

The only way to be sure whether this address is part of your wallet is to check it via the console with ismine("...").

If this returns false, your only chance is that you have used the wrong mnemonic code to restore your wallet and that the correct one is still stored somewhere else. Otherwise your funds are unfortunately gone.

Bob123,

kindly write the correct way how to type in the command, WITH BTC address.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.

This only applies if the seed was originally generated using some other software. If his seed was generated by electrum then there is no need to manually choose between different script types. The seed itself is enough.

@andrroos wallet restoration related problems are covered in this FAQ: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . Do go through it and tell us what you find out. If this FAQ doesn't solve your problem then do share the answers to the questions posed there so we can troubleshoot further.

Native electrum seeds don't work in other software.








Abdussamad,

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug!This bug affected versions prior to 3.3.x. If you created or opened more than one wallet during a single session and the storage device your wallet was stored on was malfunctioning your wallet may have been corrupted.What is a single session? It seems to have disproportionately affected people using portable Electrum off a usb drive. The only way to recover your wallet is if you remember the seeds or private keys of any of the other wallets you created/opened during that single session.And even if you know the seeds from other wallets, how it's gonna help?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: TryNinja on September 25, 2019, 08:41:01 PM
kindly write the correct way how to type in the command, WITH BTC address.
The way he told you:

ismine(“AddressHere”)


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 25, 2019, 10:30:59 PM
How  can I get now THAT address back to my wallet?

You can't.
You need the private key. And without the secret information (the correct seed) which is used to derive it, its not possible.


Did you check whether this address belongs to your wallet ?
If you don't see the address there, open the electrum console (View -> Show console) and enter:
Code:
ismine("1YourAddressHere")

If it returns false, it is not and never was part of your wallet.
In this case you might have restored from the wrong mnemonic code ? Or the address changed while copying it (e.g. clipping board malware) ?
Are you sure that the address receiving the transaction was part of your wallet ?

What did the address start with ? 1.. 3.. or bc1.. ? Is it the same as the address of your current wallet ?

It's false!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 25, 2019, 11:06:50 PM
The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.

You use same seed, but do you know that same seed can generate different types of addresses? In the process of wallet recovery, there is window where is possible to choose derivation path/address type. You need to select same address type on Electrum (Tails), as it is on Electrum (Windows).

If your Electrum (Windows) is legacy type, it starts with 1, for native segwit it start with bc1, and for nested segwit (p2sh) with 3. Pay attention to this when restoring wallet, this is a very common problem for many users.

This only applies if the seed was originally generated using some other software. If his seed was generated by electrum then there is no need to manually choose between different script types. The seed itself is enough.

@andrroos wallet restoration related problems are covered in this FAQ: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . Do go through it and tell us what you find out. If this FAQ doesn't solve your problem then do share the answers to the questions posed there so we can troubleshoot further.

Native electrum seeds don't work in other software.








Abdussamad,

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug!This bug affected versions prior to 3.3.x. If you created or opened more than one wallet during a single session and the storage device your wallet was stored on was malfunctioning your wallet may have been corrupted.What is a single session? It seems to have disproportionately affected people using portable Electrum off a usb drive. The only way to recover your wallet is if you remember the seeds or private keys of any of the other wallets you created/opened during that single session.And even if you know the seeds from other wallets, how it's gonna help?

Single session means during one sitting. Maybe you created a test wallet to fool around with. Then your real wallet straight after that. Something like that.

If you have the seeds of the other wallets you created in that session you can try restoring from seed (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/restoring-your-standard-wallet-from-seed/)




Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 25, 2019, 11:12:22 PM
It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.


Is there a possibility that you have used a different mnemonic code when restoring it ?
Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

If both is not the case, then you either copy/pasted the wrong address or your online-pc is infected with some clipping board malware.
Try copying a random BTC address and paste it anywhere (e.g. notepad). Check whether it is the same address as copied.

Do you mind sharing the address with us ?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: BitMaxz on September 25, 2019, 11:49:17 PM
It seems that you are infected with "Copy/Paste BTC Address changer virus (https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/248991-copypaste-btc-address-changer-virus/)" you maybe copy the address from tails correctly but when you paste it in your windows Electrum wallet the address changed before you make a transaction.

If this is your problem there's no way to recover them they are lost forever.

You need to scan the entire PC with Malwarebytes and antivirus and maybe your PC is infected with copy/paste virus. Or reformat the PC with fresh install Windows OS but make sure that you have the backup seed so that you can recover it once you install the Electrum again.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: nc50lc on September 26, 2019, 02:00:06 AM
It's false!
Is your Tails Electrum in persistent volume?
If yes, try to check if there's more than one wallet file(s) in the default wallet directory or any location that you've previously selected.
If there were, try to open them one by one, you may have used another wallet file for those "lost" transactions.

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug! -snip-
Does your wallet notified you about a possible corruption or an error message?
Because most of the time, if you still successfully launched the wallet it will detect any corruption to the wallet file.
If there's a major corruption, it wont open at all.

Maybe BitMaxz is correct (Post above),
If you don't mind, can you share the receiving addresses of those two transactions?
Or at least tell us if they are still unspent.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 10:06:38 AM
It's false!

Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.


Is there a possibility that you have used a different mnemonic code when restoring it ?
Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

If both is not the case, then you either copy/pasted the wrong address or your online-pc is infected with some clipping board malware.
Try copying a random BTC address and paste it anywhere (e.g. notepad). Check whether it is the same address as copied.

Do you mind sharing the address with us ?

Bob123,

I have used the same mnemonic code - the seed was generated, so I took a picture and wrote it down - then used it for recovery. (But maybe I'm mistaken). I just remember that I've used always the very first seed, when I deleted and recovered the wallets!

I didn't use any additional phrases!

Online-pc is not infected with some clipping board malware - now I send BTC from Electrum (Windows) to Electrum (Tails) without any issues - It comes straight away.

Here is the address where it was sent to; transaction ID; public key:

1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL
3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a
02b85d7dbb7b2c112de6bd7db2376c3e1532e001c4b69bf69bc23ac103f218c47a


I pay 20%(which was €512 at the time of transaction) of the lost transaction to a person who can recover it back to my wallet!!!!



Payment method BTC; MoneyGram/Western Union


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 10:46:56 AM
It's false!
Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Maybe this address is from that seed, however in a different derivation path. It is a legacy address, so we don't have to worry about segwit derivation paths. Maybe in a different account?

@AndreRoos, I would create a new wallet and try those derivation paths and insert that ismine("1YourAddressHere")

m/44'/0'/1'/0
m/44'/0'/2'/0
m/44'/0'/3'/0
....
I would try a few...

I think you didn't answer also what version of Electrum are you using on Tails. Is it 4.0? There is no 4.0, it is a phising.

Edit: I would also try one more thing.
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and check "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").
Now do this:
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and UNcheck "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
It's false!
Then this means that this address does not belong to your wallet.

Maybe this address is from that seed, however in a different derivation path. It is a legacy address, so we don't have to worry about segwit derivation paths. Maybe in a different account?

@AndreRoos, I would create a new wallet and try those derivation paths and insert that ismine("1YourAddressHere")

m/44'/0'/1'/0
m/44'/0'/2'/0
m/44'/0'/3'/0
....
I would try a few...

I think you didn't answer also what version of Electrum are you using on Tails. Is it 4.0? There is no 4.0, it is a phising.

Edit: I would also try one more thing.
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and check "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").
Now do this:
Create a new wallet, insert your seed, click on Options and UNcheck "BIP39 Seed". Insert the ismine("1YourAddressHere").

Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!

Does the passphrase has to be the same as from the wallet where the address is missing?

How  many of     m/44'/0'/1'/0       should I try? - The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

Electrum version:    3.3.8    - which was on the website of Electrum the newest!?



Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 11:17:29 AM
Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!
Yes. Your seed can create almost unlimited wallets with different derivation paths.

There are a few possibilities here.

1 - If you have the wrong seed, your funds are lost and there is nothing you can do.

2 - You have the right seed, but you could be looking in the wrong derivation path.

For example, you don't know if you have a BIP39 seed or a Electrum seed (this is why i told you to check and uncheck BIP39 when creating a new wallet, and try to find the address there).

Or you may have miscliked in the derivation path, or somehow created a new account without knowing it (this is why I told you to try a few m/44'/0'/1'/0).



The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

The last digit is for change address, and your transaction didn't generate any change, so there is no need to try that, AFAIK.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 02:17:03 PM
Bitmover,

a new wallet with the same seed?!
Yes. Your seed can create almost unlimited wallets with different derivation paths.

There are a few possibilities here.

1 - If you have the wrong seed, your funds are lost and there is nothing you can do.

2 - You have the right seed, but you could be looking in the wrong derivation path.

For example, you don't know if you have a BIP39 seed or a Electrum seed (this is why i told you to check and uncheck BIP39 when creating a new wallet, and try to find the address there).

Or you may have miscliked in the derivation path, or somehow created a new account without knowing it (this is why I told you to try a few m/44'/0'/1'/0).



The last digit has to be 0 or it can variate as well?

The last digit is for change address, and your transaction didn't generate any change, so there is no need to try that, AFAIK.

bitmover,

I'm absolutely positive - I have Electrum recovery seed!

Do I still need to check the checkbox with BIP39?

I tried to do it many times now, no success!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: TryNinja on September 26, 2019, 02:21:43 PM
Do I still need to check the checkbox with BIP39?

I tried to do it many times now, no success!
If all you did when creating the wallet was:

Standard Wallet -> Create a new seed -> Legacy -> Wrote down the seed -> Confirmed the seed.

Then, it's very unlikely that this has anything to do with a particular derivation path which isn't the Electrum's default.

In any case, if you still want to try this, check "BIP39" in the "Options" button, press Next, then select "legacy (p2pkh)" and try a different derivation path, e.g: m/44'/0'/1'


edit:
He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!
Emphasis on:
1. "it's very unlikely"
2. "In any case, if you still want to try this"


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 02:54:19 PM
He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
When originally creating the wallet did you extend the seed with custom words? That is 2b here: https://bitcoinelectrum.com/frequently-asked-questions/#why-does-restoring-my-wallet-from-seed-lead-to-a-different-wallet . If you didn't then I'm afraid this wallet does not contain the addresses where you sent the coins. Then the only 3 possibilities are that a )you created more than one wallet in the past b) that you have clipboard altering malware c) the addresses belong to so other wallet perhaps hosted by an exchange or website you use. If it's a. then look for the seeds of those other wallets. If it's b. then do a reformat and reinstall of your OS. If it's c. then login to exchanges and sites you use to see if the funds are there.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: igor72 on September 26, 2019, 03:33:06 PM
There's a small chance (1/256) that the seed was miswritten, but it was still valid.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 03:55:28 PM
There's a small chance (1/256) that the seed was miswritten, but it was still valid.

igor 72,

I made a picture of the recovery seed. I typed in the same words! - miss written is not an option!


If I'm not mistaking, I recovered with the same seed that ''lost'' address once. It was when I deleted the wallet the first time. But since then some other addresses come up all the time.



I pay 20% of the recovered funds to the Person who can mange to get it back to my wallet!!!!

20% was at the time of transfer - €512/US$560


I can provide all the needed details!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 04:07:26 PM
It's false!
Is your Tails Electrum in persistent volume?
If yes, try to check if there's more than one wallet file(s) in the default wallet directory or any location that you've previously selected.
If there were, try to open them one by one, you may have used another wallet file for those "lost" transactions.

Guid 2.e.:

If the seed was originally generated in Electrum it’s possible you may have been affected by a file corruption bug.Yes, I was effected by a file corruption bug! -snip-
Does your wallet notified you about a possible corruption or an error message?
Because most of the time, if you still successfully launched the wallet it will detect any corruption to the wallet file.
If there's a major corruption, it wont open at all.

Maybe BitMaxz is correct (Post above),
If you don't mind, can you share the receiving addresses of those two transactions?
Or at least tell us if they are still unspent.

nc50lc; bob123,

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Can you start something with it?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

I can provide all the needed details!
Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

nc50lc; bob123,

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Can you start something with it?

The only thing they can do with it is to check it in a block explorer.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 26, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
When originally creating the wallet did you extend the seed with custom words?

Has already been asked:

Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

and answered:

I didn't use any additional phrases!



you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Unfortunately i couldn't find out anything related.
The address is completely unused except for this one transaction, which makes it quite unlikely that you were infected by some clipping board malware (still possible tho).
But as far as i know, the creator of such a malware are some retarded script kiddies who can't even iterate through a list properly. Therefore i tend to say this was not the case.



If I'm not mistaking, I recovered with the same seed that ''lost'' address once.

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

  • Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
  • Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
  • Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
  • Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
  • Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
  • Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: igor72 on September 26, 2019, 04:34:45 PM
Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:
Code:
wallet.change_gap_limit(100)


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:05 PM
Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:
Code:
wallet.change_gap_limit(100)


Not necessary, because he already entered:

Code:
ismine("Address)"

which returned false.


Please read the thread before making suggestions which just clutter up this thread without being useful at all.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 04:39:33 PM
He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

I can provide all the needed details!

Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

bitmover,

thank you for the tip!


About the points:

1- the seed may be incorrect   -    I made a picture of the seed and I always wrote the same words! If I'm not wrong, wallet with the address was recovered but only once, in the beginning, when it was deleted the first time.

2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick  -   I'm sending now the BTC without any problems and they getting through. So I think this one is out of question!


The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?    


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 05:00:56 PM
2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

-snip-

The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?   


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

AFAIK, the only possibility  here is that you somehow created a BIP39 seed with a different derivation path than the one you are using now.

So, back to derivation paths.
I would try everything if they were my coins.
 Personally, I prefer to use iancoleman BIP39 than electrum...

First of all, remove all  funds that you can from that wallet. Consider that seed exposed and do not use it ever again.


Go to https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ in your tails ultra secure computer in offline mode, insert your seed there. See how it works.
 It will generate all possible addresses on the bottom of the page. If you find your address there, just copy paste its private key to electrum and you are done.

However, do not search for your address there only using the default derivation path, as you know it won't work. You need to try different derivation paths.

Go to derivation path.
You can try the change addresses. Your transaction (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a) generated some Change of a few cents....  your coins may be in a change address. 
Set "Internal/External" to 1, so you can see the change addresses. Your address may be there.


Edit:
This 1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c was supposed to be the change address of your first transaction.
Can you find it in tails or in your windows electrum wallet using ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c )? you didn't use that address again.
This may be important. If you sent a small value of 0.00004438 to the tails wallet, and the big value as a change may have came back to your windows wallet.
Maybe your address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL is a change address of your original windows wallet, which sent the btc.

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.
use ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c ) and ismine(1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL) in windows.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: igor72 on September 26, 2019, 05:13:54 PM
Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:
Code:
wallet.change_gap_limit(100)


Not necessary, because he already entered:

Code:
ismine("Address)"

which returned false.


Please read the thread before making suggestions which just clutter up this thread without being useful at all.
"ismine" doesn't see any addresses out of gap limit except for the ones in the address tab.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bob123 on September 26, 2019, 05:18:45 PM
There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.

According to OP, there were a total of 2 transactions. One small "test" transaction and the larger one to the address mentioned above.
I doubt that the funds are still in his windows wallet, especially since the wallet is connected to the network.


@OP:
Can you please check whether address 16g5D1NDe7UDpfx3gwZpV7tvwbcfTeW4Ck belongs to any of your wallets (windows, and i am especially interested in whether it belongs to your tails wallet).


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 26, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
Code:
wallet.change_gap_limit(100)
ismine("Address)"

which returned false.
"ismine" doesn't see any addresses out of gap limit except for the ones in the address tab.

As I said, I would try everything. Try that as well in both your wallets, but with 250 gap limit and then insert ismine.
And try with all addresses suggests here


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 05:47:46 PM

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

  • Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
  • Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
  • Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
  • Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
  • Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
  • Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.
[/quote]

bob123,

thank you very much for such substantial explanation! The questions are not redundant and I'm glad to answer them!


1.  Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)    -    Yes, it was generated on Electrum on Tails! (I only have problem with wallet on Tail. On Windows works everything properly)

2.  Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?    -  
     1) On Tails it's already preinstalled, but old version, so you have to update manually. To do that - I downloaded the ''Appimage" for Linux on electrum.org. Where as well I found the explanation why my wallet didn't work - it was old!  
     And that's where it started instead of just updating it, the guide lines on Tails website say - to delete the wallet; to delete the wallet folder in the wallet; to do this, to do that.... All bullsh!t. In realty just to update the f*cking wallet!
     2) On Windows I downloaded the wallet as well from the website.  I didn't verify PGP signature - but I did a transfer from a BTC.com wallet to that one and I transferred it back - worked perfectly! I as well did some transactions now from Electrum (Windows) to Electrum(Tails) - works perfectly too! _____So I think fishing is out of question!_____

3.  Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?    -    Yes, all of them, always, even when the wallet was recovered.

4.  Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?    -    Yes, as mentioned before I'm doing transactions without any issues!

5.  Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?    -    Correct. In first place I saw it in the wallet on Tails as "pending" but then it changed to "not verified". It was the same wallet as the big transaction (if I'm not wrong), just different address. I just realized it has only 1 output address and it should be the one from my wallet which I copied and pasted! Here it is transaction ID: 888f769c2d2585d1d6f0070f11d5820c249aa895fab983ce3eda7e1a667e7308

6.  Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?    -  
    1)All I changed is: Tools > Preferences  > Transactions > checked the box with ''use multiple change address" on both wallets.  On Tails as well Block explorer to .onion one.  
    2) No multisig or 2FA wallet!


So my opinion is:   there is no phishing or clipboard malware or any type of fraud! Since there was an issue with corruption - at least that's what the guide lines on Tails said, I could open the wallet at all, you know etc. - it was recommended to delete the files, reinstall and so on.  So now that missing address is in a wallet somewhere.     The question is how to get that particular wallet!    


Any suggestions?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 26, 2019, 05:55:39 PM
2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

-snip-

The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?   


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

AFAIK, the only possibility  here is that you somehow created a BIP39 seed with a different derivation path than the one you are using now.

So, back to derivation paths.
I would try everything if they were my coins.
 Personally, I prefer to use iancoleman BIP39 than electrum...

First of all, remove all  funds that you can from that wallet. Consider that seed exposed and do not use it ever again.


Go to https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ in your tails ultra secure computer in offline mode, insert your seed there. See how it works.
 It will generate all possible addresses on the bottom of the page. If you find your address there, just copy paste its private key to electrum and you are done.

However, do not search for your address there only using the default derivation path, as you know it won't work. You need to try different derivation paths.

Go to derivation path.
You can try the change addresses. Your transaction (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a) generated some Change of a few cents....  your coins may be in a change address. 
Set "Internal/External" to 1, so you can see the change addresses. Your address may be there.


Edit:
This 1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c was supposed to be the change address of your first transaction.
Can you find it in tails or in your windows electrum wallet using ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c )? you didn't use that address again.
This may be important. If you sent a small value of 0.00004438 to the tails wallet, and the big value as a change may have came back to your windows wallet.
Maybe your address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL is a change address of your original windows wallet, which sent the btc.

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.
use ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c ) and ismine(1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL) in windows.

Maaaaaan,
 

that's a very useful Information!!!!


I'm gonna do it and post the result!


Thank you!



Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
once again there is no point in using bip39 tools or alternative derivation paths if the seed was generated in electrum. he's said it now twice. i wish you guys would move on from that.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 26, 2019, 06:32:23 PM
1.  Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)    -    Yes, it was generated on Electrum on Tails! (I only have problem with wallet on Tail. On Windows works everything properly)


Did you restore from seed on windows and is your wallet history and balance accurate on windows?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: BitMaxz on September 26, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
It seems you can't find the address under your Electrum wallet tails.
Like the other said the seed phrase might be incorrect why not use tools like seedrecovery.py of BTCrecovery (https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover)
and let it find your Bitcoin address under your incorrect seed phrase?

This tool I think will help you to find the incorrect phrase of your seed here's the guide below
 
- https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover/blob/master/docs/Seedrecover_Quick_Start_Guide.md

If this can't find your incorrect phrase under your BTCaddress you provided the BTC address is not under your seed phrase. Like I mentioned yesterday the possible reason why you can't find the address it's because you don't own the BTC address that you are trying to find under your Electrum tails. The Electrum in your windows might be infected with clipboard malware.

Why not review all of your old transaction histories if the address you use before is the same as the address you are trying to look for.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 27, 2019, 12:02:57 PM
Guys,

I absolutely forgot to tell that:
on Electrum (Tails) > Addresses > "lost" address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL > label - I put:   "used <current data>"    once I transfered the money from Electrum (Windows) to that address. I always do that, so that I use the address only for one time transfer.


Maybes that's the reason why it doesn't show now in the recovered wallet?!




Before all that, when I created Electrum on Tails I made a shot of all my addresses, here it is:


https://anonfile.com/097eY563n6/20190923_183206_jpg


There you see that damn address as second from the top


All the other questions I will answer in short!


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitmover on September 27, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Maybes that's the reason why it doesn't show now in the recovered wallet?!
No.
labels are not registered in the blockchain, it is an internal label that affects only your wallet software. Probably if you reinstall your electrum, or recover it in another computer, the label will be lost, but funds will not be affected.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: khaled0111 on September 27, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
labels are not registered in the blockchain, it is an internal label that affects only your wallet software. Probably if you reinstall your electrum, or recover it in another computer, the label will be lost, but funds will not be affected.
If you recover your wallet from seed, labels will be lost. As bitmover said, that doesn't affect your funds and you will be able to see all your transactions.

note: You can activate the Electrum label sync plugin (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-use-the-electrum-label-sync-plugin/) to save your labels on Electrum servers and recover them later (make sure to read the part about privacy implications).
You can also export labels and save them in a JSON file that can be imported later.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Abdussamad on September 27, 2019, 07:27:35 PM
Be careful about opening the links the OP shares. For some reason he won't use imgur like everyone else.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 27, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Be careful about opening the links the OP shares. For some reason he won't use imgur like everyone else.

Abdussamad,

I just didn't know how to share a picture here. I couldn't paste picture into the post. How can you do it?

Just uploaded the picture on IGUR here it is for those who are afraid to open anonfile.com:

https://imgur.com/P5DMMS4


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Saint-loup on September 28, 2019, 12:13:23 AM
2.  Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?    -  
     1) On Tails it's already preinstalled, but old version, so you have to update manually. To do that - I downloaded the ''Appimage" for Linux on electrum.org. Where as well I found the explanation why my wallet didn't work - it was old!  
     And that's where it started instead of just updating it, the guide lines on Tails website say - to delete the wallet; to delete the wallet folder in the wallet; to do this, to do that.... All bullsh!t. In realty just to update the f*cking wallet!
Old version ok, but which one? Do you know the number of this version? Is it a version below 2.0?
BTW do you have the master public key of your "former" tails wallet ?
Another thing, did you try to come back to the older version and to import your seed? (you don't need to access the network for that) You still don't find your address there?


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: nc50lc on September 28, 2019, 02:36:12 AM
There you see that damn address as second from the top
Okay, how about the other addresses, are they the same as the addresses from your newly restored wallet?

The only two things that's possible for an address that wasn't derived from the seed to be included is through
"import private key" for Electrum version v1.xx before v2.0 when it's possible to import to a HD wallet.
Or through "that" corruption error that you mentioned but that should result with an error message stating the corruption or the wallet wont open at all.

If the other addresses were different, it's positive that it's not the correct seed.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: HCP on September 28, 2019, 06:05:39 AM
Old version ok, but which one? Do you know the number of this version? Is it a version below 2.0?
The only two things that's possible for an address that wasn't derived from the seed to be included is through
"import private key" for Electrum version v1.xx before v2.0 when it's possible to import to a HD wallet.

It would appear very unlikely that the wallet was created on an old version of Electrum. The OP claims they took a screenshot of their addresses when they first created the wallet on Tails:
Before all that, when I created Electrum on Tails I made a shot of all my addresses, here it is:
https://anonfile.com/097eY563n6/20190923_183206_jpg
There you see that damn address as second from the top

As you can see from that screenshot, it has the "filter" dropdown boxes on the address tab... this feature was added in 3.0.1...
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/z7dA1.png


Prior to that, the addresses tab was sorted into simple expandable lists like this:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/z7uIm.png


Another possible, but somewhat unlikely, scenario is that the OP had created TWO (or more) wallets on Tails initially and, for whatever reason, didn't realise and only saved the seed for the first wallet. They subsequently sent coins to an address in the second wallet (created from a different seed). Once everything was deleted (when updating Tails etc), the second wallet was lost forever as the seed recovered the first (unused) wallet :-\


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: bitdaric on September 28, 2019, 10:36:46 AM
Hello everybody,

hope you doing great.

A question/issue has accurred regarding Electrum wallet. I made a transaction from an Electrum wallet on Windows to an Electrum wallet on Tails (both are mine) - the transaction DOES NOT show in the wallet on Tails, even though it has now 140+ confirmations in the wallet on Windows.

(23rd of September) 2 transactions were made - none of them show of.

(24th of September) I realized, the wallet on tails is not up to date and so I had to download the Appimage - as it was in the instructions, I followed on the Electrum Website. Now transactions are dispatched on Tails immediately, once it's send.

But the other 2 trans. are "lost" - Where are they, why are they not dispatched? Does it has to do with, me sending it to not the latest version of the wallet? How can I get the Bitcoins?

Phishing or hacker attack comes out of question - because the wallet on Tails is already installed; the wallet on windows I verified.

The wallet on Tails - before I downloaded the Appimage, wallet was always offline. (Bottom left side it says "Not connected" or "Synchronizing").

First I made a test transaction (from Windows to Tails) of €1 - it came straight away. Now a long time past, it couldn't get confirmed on Tails, even though on Windows it had 10+ confirmations. Next day it says in the transaction status on Tails "Not verified" - it wasn't there before!

After I made a test transfer and 2h past and it was not confirmed, I transferred €2.600 (from Windows to Tails wallet as before). This transaction didn't even show of in the wallet on Tails. Until now it's not showing it at all even though on Windows wallet it has 200+ confirmations.

The following only on Tails:
I deleted the wallet, installed it back, many times. Tried to fix it somehow, playing around. Now it doesn't show €2.600, not even that damn €1 transfer, like it never happened at all. I still used the same recovery seed for the wallet as before.


So where the hell are this 2 transfers in God's Name?


Guys, I appreciate very much your time and answer!



Awaiting on your reply

Thank you!



try creating target wallet (tail) in windows and see what happen. use public key of target wallet to create a watch only wallet in windows.
try changing electrum server in target wallet (tail).


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: Saint-loup on September 28, 2019, 11:20:49 AM
try changing electrum server in target wallet (tail).
I'm very skeptical about that, it's a matter of seed and keys, not a matter of blockchain and transactions. He wasn't even connected when he generated his seed and his keys.


Title: Re: Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!
Post by: AndrRoos on September 28, 2019, 02:11:01 PM
Guys,

apology for late respond.

I will answer all the questions in the next 48h