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Edit 27-Sept-2019 @ 8:30 AM EST
Now being managed by yahoo62278
All discussion should be here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0)

Just got this in my email:


So 20 posts per day that's 140 a week.
No mention of campaign manager or anything else.
Going to be another crapshow or are people going to behave this time?

Anyone want to try it and see what happens?

-Dave

Let's say you risk to sell your soul to promote a shady exchange, the last time the campaign was banned with the participants. If anyone is okay to risk their account then they are welcome. I wonder when did you get this email?

PS: I think it's a reputation board discussion.

Wait a sec... Weren't those the exact same (or at least really similar in max volume at least) terms (alongside the lack of a manager) that got them temporarily blacklisted the first time?

What if you post 20 anyway, with or without a signature. Does the signature make your post any better or worse without it?

Are signature campaigns worth it? I don't know who runs the marketing section for that platform, but it seems like a fool.

This site manages the same scam to drive users to share spam -----> Make max posts on CryptoTalk.Org Forum until 1 november 2019 and win 1 btc! (https://cryptotalk.org/topic/16-contest-make-max-posts-and-win-1-btc/).
Bitcointalk account ----> @scat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=378453). Alt of Engg and more https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg17003685#msg17003685.

Will these accounts be banned if they are linked to this platform?

That's an extreme hypothetical and in no way applicable to Yobit. Last time they did this we saw hordes of long-dormant accounts wake up just to shitpost.

Sounds like it, and Yobit obviously doesn't learn anything from their many mistakes.  If only they'd apply some standards, it wouldn't be such a shit show.  They ran a campaign for years without a problem, but they way they did it last time was just awful.  They had way too many participants and allowed way too many posts--even though 20/day was what they've always allowed.  I get a feeling this isn't going to end well for whoever signs up this time around.

If you're talking about a hypothetical member who's already doing 20 posts per day, it wouldn't make a difference.  Unfortunately that isn't how this is going to go.  It's going to motivate a lot of otherwise inactive members to start making that many posts per day, and the forum is going to be flooded with low-value posts.  Just like last time.

Well, between you and me.. and maybe others, it wouldn't be that bad would it? How's your current signature paying? (chipmixer?)



Well, the problem would be all those inactive members, but in this hypothetical case, what if it were one of us good guys who do post anyway, that shouldn't be a stain on the individual.

Also, it says on their page, there are rules (no low quality posts), but I'm not sure how they will enforce that.

I got it about 10 minutes before I started the thread







I think last time they let lower ranked people in. now it's only Sr and above so it might be better.
Could also just be my memory is wrong. Not sure

Does anyone have the list from last time? I think LoyceV or someone had the user-list of people with the sig.

-Dave

Yes, the terms are the same like last time.

Theymos banning the Yobit campaign in 3......2......

Did they have this rule last time?
They are pushing the limits a bit here, using bitcointalk to advertise their own forum.

Also, live from the trollbox:


This sucks, I have zero followers here ...guess I'll have to pass.

Actually there were a few good accounts that didn't get banned.

It was a very low number but still. And the pay from them is actually not bad when you compare it to a lot of the campaigns on here (bitmixer had a similar style but I think they had someone moderating and could afford a lot more in pay)... Their support was awful though sometimes...


With the "invest box", "rise-only market" and an "8 btc value coin" I think that's a bit of an understatement (the coin was only at 8btc for a couple of minutes but still)...

If Yobit would pay as much as Chipmixer they could just go ahead and hire DarkStar_ along with all recent Chipmixer applicants who didn't get accepted and it would be a great campaign.

But their pricing and limit of 20 posts per day indicates that they're going for quantity, not quality.


I doubt they'll even try.

Bitmixer had the same problem until Lauda(?) stepped in. There was also something similar with hilariousandco handling a previously spam-heavy campaign, I believe.

Oh shit, here we go again... Seems that they haven't learned from previous story. I don't see any changes from previous campaign, except personal text message. Well, if spam wave will repeat, I think we all know what's going to happen - theymos simply will ban their signatures permanently. So, Yobit is playing with fire now, because as I understand they don't have manager again.
Interesting, does users who been in their campaign previously, can join campaign again? If yes, brace yourselves, winter spammers is coming.

The signature itself also says "CryptoTalk.org MAKE POSTS AND EARN BTC!" and links to that site. So it's totally not a yobit campaign, everybody relax now /s

Well here's a sign that they haven't learned anything as they aren't informing users of even the basic requirements to participate. I'm confused by this Brand new account then given the email states Sr. Member and above. Considering that was in the last round as well did they accept lower ranks?

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I believe last time you only got banned if you had at least one good report against you and were wearing the Yobit signature, so most participants got temp banned. I don't think it needs to be a stain on anyone's reputation for advertising a service, unless they continue to advertise the service after it's been proven to harm users, for example exit scams.

So when it apparently fired up again a month or so ago was that false. Didn't they advertise it on their website and then not pay users. I might have been wrong I didn't follow it to hard, and wasn't sure if anyone actually continued to wear the signature.

So, I guess we'll see them on top of http://loyce.club/active/ soon.

How can they be so moronic, this it probably the fourth time they try with this spam-storm requirements. I bearly reach 20 posts per week they are requiring 20 per day. I'll guess I'll be busy reporting the next few days.

Just automate it:


Guaranteed accuracy: 99+%

They do not require 20 post per day, it is a maximum they will pay for.
Minimum requirement appears to be 1 post per 60 days. Still all that bad?
It's easy for you to say that is all spam and shit posts, because you ware selected for the most prestigious campaign around.
Now think for a second about those who were a bit less lucky. Please stop being condescending and judgemental, just because its fine to hate one of the last truly free and anonymous exchanges. On the other hand, real spam or rather burst and flood should definitely get reported...

So.. you are saying that getting into a signature campaign is based on luck ?

Please explain..

Does DarkStar_ toss the dice a few hundred times ? Or flip some coins ? How does he decide who gets accepted and who doesn't ?
Maybe just making a huge list, closing his eyes and pointing onto a random name with his finger ?




Wait.. what? Are you serious ?
Just because you are getting 1$ per post, doesn't mean you have to defend every scam.

This is some serious groundhog day stuff ;D

I'm quite certain we've heard the same arguments almost word for word back in April and that didn't end well. If you want a different outcome this time I would suggest a different approach. Go and make posts that contribute to the forum and make your point that way. Just saying that the campaign is not spammy is not going to work, for historic reasons.

it says maximum 20 per day not minimum. I write 5 messeges per day in average so for me it suits well. I participated

A small correction: recently you barely posted a couple of times a month and today you made 13 posts.

Yes, based on your post quality this campaign indeed suits you perfectly..




Just a classical shitposter.. with already 13 shitposts today.
I guess since you joined the campaign, you really have an incentive to shitpost ?

But hey.. thanks for helping me to bump my report count  ;)

Of course not, it was an euphemism. However I don't know DarkStar's way, go as him if you wonder what is his decision processes.
I'm not defending anything, just stating some facts. They do provide some shady options, that's for sure but nobody is forcing people to be greedy and foolish. They have never cheated me, I have never seen proof they stole from others.
:) True that. I'm already certain on how it's going to end... just hoping naively. And yet, I'm not claiming it isn't spammy. It obviously depends on people that participate, you just have to admit that sizing all people with one measure will lead inevitably to harm.
Total ban will be a form of collective punishment, social justice, manifestation of communism at it's purest form.
Forum already has means for dealing with flood or spam, no need for final solutions - those don't work anyway.

Is anyone able to scrape a list of all users who are displaying this signature?

Want to bet who will be faster to reply with a complete list ?

suchmoon or LoyceV ?

100 sats Eternal bragging rights on suchie.

Hmm.. you might be right.. but that's quite an unfair duel. LoyceV is offline for almost 2 hours now.
I guess he is charging his batteries.

I'd love to see a 1v1 scraping duel between those two tho  :D

I was hoping for a cookie but whatever.

                                    Posts per day                                  
   #  User                    BPIP  before    now  AvgLen   Merit 
   1. startsts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=851482)                BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=startsts)     0.0   13.0     188      12 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/851482.html) 
   2. artur11110000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=533915)           BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=artur11110000)     0.0    5.0     123       5 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/533915.html) 
   3. BaronCoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782043)               BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BaronCoin)     0.0    5.0     142         
   4. akhzayn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=368269)                 BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=akhzayn)     0.0    4.0     420       4 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/368269.html) 
   5. stan86 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375075)                  BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=stan86)     0.0    4.0     229      11 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/375075.html) 
   6. alexflow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=959415)                BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=alexflow)     0.0    3.0     165       2 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/959415.html) 
   7. bellicose (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154617)               BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bellicose)     0.0    3.0     210       2 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/154617.html) 
   8. Judge-Dredd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=870450)             BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Judge-Dredd)     0.0    3.0     427         
   9. poptok1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=741872)                 BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=poptok1)     0.7    3.0     587     113 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/741872.html) 
  10. skiv2011 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=969759)                BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=skiv2011)     0.0    3.0     295       1 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/969759.html) 
  11. yoseph (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=937250)                  BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yoseph)     0.1    3.0     330      12 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/937250.html) 
  12. darkangel11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=393159)             BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=darkangel11)     0.3    2.0     438      57 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/393159.html) 
  13. scanderpot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1772557)              BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=scanderpot)     0.0    2.0     225         
  14. DigDeepMining (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=903781)           BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DigDeepMining)     0.0    1.0     983       3 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/903781.html) 
  15. InvoKing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=525058)                BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=InvoKing)     0.0    1.0     365      64 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/525058.html) 
  16. johnnywoo2015 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=483426)           BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=johnnywoo2015)     0.0    1.0     381         
  17. th3nolo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=870608)                 BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=th3nolo)     0.0    1.0     333      35 (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/870608.html) 
  18. VenMiner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557538)                BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=VenMiner)     0.0    1.0     295         
  19. Zich (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109286)                    BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Zich)     0.0    1.0      38         

Please note that it takes me 24h+ to catch up with all signature changes so Mr. Robovac still has a chance to beat me if he knows a better way to do it.

Thanks! I'm all out of cookies though. Merit too. Perhaps an ice cream?

Interesting that pretty much every account was either inactive or close to it, and have all woken up just in time to join this spam campaign. How convenient. ::) No doubt this will get worse over the coming days as more and more spammers join up again.

This as they insist you wear a personal message that states:


Obviously a contradiction, and most likely an intentional one.



Hhampuz was managing the bitmixer campaign.  Was there a time when they were not managed (mismanaged?)

BTW they're paying a dollar per post on Bitcointalk so that people would go to Cryptotalk to get paid 10 7.98 cents per post there (not quite every post though, 30 posts per day max). So if you think that at $1 per post the quality here is not stellar, try to imagine what it's gonna be on that dumpster of a forum (https://cryptotalk.org/topic/21-get-paid-for-every-post/).

Nope, I have a dart board I use for these things. My accuracy isn't great which is why it takes so long.

Here:
https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1177257232314093568
https://yobit.net/en/signature/details/
There is a minor change: They require
I am not sure about the CryptoTalk.org forum, that is currently run their giveaway for posts to promote their forum. Not sure why Yobit require to add some words about that forum to personal text. Does Yobit stay behind Cryptotalk.org forum?

I visited that forum and it looks like a shit one, because there is no rules so far. It is strange to see they run their forum (especially nowadays) without any rules.

I believe Yobit is addicted to spam and are also trying to drive people crazy for money with their new campaign on their own forum where they'll be paying pennies for just 30 posts (max) per day and they expect their users not to spam, else they'll get banned. Well-watchable circus going over there.

Source of the quote above = https://cryptotalk.org/topic/21-get-paid-for-every-post/?tab=comments#comment-214

One strange thing is that, I've seen many people hopping from Bitcointalk over there making accounts with the same username they've got here. Maybe they don't love their privacy nor their accounts, because if they've used the same password they used at Bitcointalk, I guess their BCT account is at stake now as I'd never trust a forum (cryptotalk) from those who appreciate spam. I'm not sure if the accounts made with Bitcointalk names over cryptotalk are of those using Bitcointalk with those usernames here, however!  ::)

I am 100% sure they are behind Cryptotalk.org or at least tightly coupled. This new campaign has the sole purpose to advertise the forum and lure people to it in my opinion. Just take a look at the personal message, this is the wet dream of every shitposter out there.

I don't know what Theymos thinks about paid advertisements for other forums here at Bitcointalk?

Theymos not against promoting another crypto forum at bitcointalk because in the past I seen signature campaign for ICOforum for weeks but it ended up in the way after the manager stole all the bounty funds.

So promoting crypto talk forum is not a problem until the campaign participants are not spamming here.

The most savage thing here is they'll lure Bitcointalk Users then eventually those users will just advertise and talk about Bitcointalk while being on CryptoTalk. 😂
Ending: Users will be back at Bitcointalk. LOL.

I'll take your stand on this, and I can understand why theymos wouldn't bother troubling his head over this sort of shitty forum advertising itself on bitcointalk.
It definitely is not nor will it be in any competition with bitcointalk, it'll probably just die off after some time, and to promote freedom to advertise in this forum as long as rules are upheld.

I doubt theymos would stop their ad here, only if their promoters post continuous spam, then we're directly affected and strick action would be served.

Thank you for your criticism, but what can we do to improve the situation?

- reduce the number of daily messages?
- or we can ask yahoo62278 (if he approve it) or somebody else to moderate our sig campaign and create new topic

If you want a simple automated system, at least set an earned merit requirement for participants. I can provide you with a complete list.

If you want a decent campaign that doesn't get banned again, hire a good manager. It was discussed during the previous campaign, and despite your bad image, reducing the spam has priority.

The number of daily messages is not the problem, it could be five or even ten, yet the participants in the campaign could still make five shitposts. As long as the 20 required posts isn't the minimum for payout per day, then any one who feels it's within his capabilities to make the 20 posts without spamming nor post bursting can go ahead and do so, mind you you'll need a manager that'll be strict to adhere to the rules, "no spamming or burst posting"
The participants that make up the campaign are the representatives that the forum sees, you'll need a manager that'll select the very good posters, that way everywhere the signature is seen, it'll be complemented with a sensible and quality post above it.
Yahoo, Hamphuz, Dark star and some other top managers do and can do that effectively, you'll need to contact them if you wish, to know if they'll be interested, considering the furore this campaign has caused.

Pretty dumb for Yobit to use their name to promote another forum and try compete with bitcointalk. They could simply set up a fresh account to manage the campaign. Or are they doing this to prove something to the bitcointalk community since they've lost their reputation here from the many scam accusations or issues pumps and dumps?

The problem with this new forums is that they end up with mostly bounty hunters.
It's stated in the Cryptoforum terms that they'll only pay for quality posts and I will not be surprised if hunters won't get paid then leave.

Thanks, we'll ask these managers and wait for their answers

Now, it is better to see you stepped in, and claimed that Yobit truly run their campaign in the forum.

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Something you have to keep in mind.
- Campaign, when runs, has to officially show proof that it comes from real team, this case, Yobit team (for Yobit, it makes sense as consequence of your previous campaigns).
- You can hire a manager to do this, such as Hhampuz, yahoo62278, or other famous and professional managers.
- Max post cap per day should be reduced. In my opinion, the max daily post cap should be somewhere in between 10. There are some good posters can make more than 10 per day, but they are very scarce, so 10 is acceptable daily postcap.
- Required minimum amount of earned merits (last 30 days, 60, or 120 days, it depends) will help to get good participants.
- Bonus payments for best participants each week might be considered, if Yobit team have funds for it. I suggest the top 5 merit earners each week will get bonus payments. Top 5 winners will get equal bonus payments from bonus pool or different depends on their ranks. It's your choice.
- Personal text, when requires, should only used for Yobit, not CryptoTalk.org.
If Yobit team stays behind CryptoTalk.org forum, the team might consider to run the second campaign separately from Yobit's campaign, for CryptoTalk (with signature, and personal text).

Because of previous vague rounds of Yobit campaign, and corresponding issues, for the next round, if you hire a manager, you can leave a reply below campaign's OP that Yobit is behind it to clear all drama.

Professional managers will do reject low quality posts, after screening and choosing best ones among participants. Honestly, such changes only bring better results for Yobit campaign.

Suchmoon can have this one :P
I don't have tools ready to check signatures, and unless Yobit is going to pay me insane amounts of money, I'm not going to do this.

Will this available one work for you?  :)
And if Yobit changes its personal text to Yobit, whatever, you can use BPIP site to check (in each user profile). I know there are technical steps to do this, that I am incapable of.

You can't solve all problems in an instant, but seeing you seeking for the members advise, I can say that's a good move.
All the 3 campaign managers are good managers, I have work in all 3 of them and I can say they are very professional in handing their campaigns.

Good luck, hopefully they'll agree so it will help minimize the spam problem.

There is one manager above has not yet mentioned, LoyceV.  :D
Good managers will not allow their participants spam and get payments. Spam posts or low quality ones will be rejected as eligible posts for payments. So, good managers will do eradicate spam posts from their participants.

But good managers may not accept their offer to manage their campaign since they have lot of bad reputation in the past and still people coming and crying that they got scammed which will affect the manager's reputation.

I am ok with Yahoo and Hhampuz handling the campaign but I'm also ok with the internal transfer to wallet in our Yobit account so we can trade our rewards, that's what I've been doing when I was still active participating in their campaign but whatever the decision of the management I'm ok with it.

There we go - let the spamfest begin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5187976.msg52569812#msg52569812

I just wrote the same thing in another post with yobit content.


Let people wear their signature, and the forum is going to be watching them. If someone creates spam anyway, then admins already will do whatever we need. I am sure.

Do this. Hhampuz, yahoo, Darkstar, or anyone else. The problem with your campaign is the spam, and lowering the post won't change it. You need a manager if you're too lazy to check the quality of your participants.

The only concern of the forum is the spamming problem, that is why yobit was ban in the past due to random members signing up and then just spam the forum but with active members willing to report spam posts, I think it will minimize the spam but my only concern is the max post per day that could encourage spam.

Good to know but I just wonder why they pay that much for bitcointalk members to promote the site while they are paying a small amount on their own forum. Pardon my ignorance.

This shows that since the old campaign ban, you still didn't learn quite a lot while showing up with the same type of campaign once again. I've got a few things to ask:

- You've been on this forum for so long (considering that your campaign had been running here for years), weren't you aware of the spam your campaign did spread?

- Why didn't you learn about so many highly reputed campaign managers here even before your campaign began for the first time? And even if not, why not this time? The forum needs not to be blamed but you for being lazy by not doing research you needed to make your campaign a successful experience for both you and the participants.

- Due to you not being active, do you even know that Yobit's campaign has got enough negative responses and not just limited to that, but even red tags for those who decide to participate in your campaign?

If you come and visit me in my country, i'll give you a cookie for your efforts.
Hell, even two.

We are negotiating with yahoo, soon will be ready new topic for our sig campaign

I'm ok with Yahoo he is a good choice, I would like to trade on Yobit I hope the internal wallet will still be used to this campaign, so we will not have the hassle of depositing, the bot is still ok it is counting my post up to the minute, I hope everything goes well with the negotiation.

Good choice of manager I worked with him on Rocketspot campaign I like the way he gives comment and opinion on participant so they can change the way they post, looking forward to working with him again on this campaign, now wearing the Yobit campaign after 5 months.

Glad to know that the campaign is in the right hands.
yahoo officially released the campaign thread as well : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0)

I have been contacted and officially have access to ban users for spamming. Basically a quality checker for the campaign, everything else will be handled via their website. As posted in the thread, I welcome pms from spam busters who want to discuss me removing a user you feel is spamming.

Currently there are about 100 users in this campaign so bear with me for a few days while I review post histories and such. Not gonna clean it up in 5 minutes.

1) I can picture you blasting Ride Of The Valkyries in the background while banning people.

2) You should probably create a new thread about the bans you are doing and such (and probably make it moderated) If you post a link in here I will lock this thread so all the work you are doing can be discussed there under your control. Up to you. I just figure 1 central spot to discuss would be better.

-Dave

If you manage any campaign which paying that amount of BTC and no limit for joiners, this forum will be in the post rain. Everyone will join and start posting.

There you have it,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0

I'm sure with Yahoo taking over, there will be positive changes.

And this thread is locked.

As posted above all discussion should go here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.0)

-Dave