{Facts} Disadvantage of promoting scam signature campaigns that encourage spam.

[vycl87]

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Yobit is back to start witch hunt Joke aside, I think as long as it does not create spam, everyone should be able to carry the signature. But I think the dynamics of the forum will still not allow it.

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[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Bump

Yobit is back to start witch hunt Joke aside, I think as long as it does not create spam, everyone should be able to carry the signature. But I think the dynamics of the forum will still not allow it.

Exactly, I'm not discouraging anyone from joining any campaign of their choice, joining a campaign is a privilege and if you can handle that privilege without abusing it then you're free to go ahead joining any campaign of your chosen. The current yobit associated signature campaign now have a reputed manager in the person of @yahoo62278 which is a positive signs since spam will now be moderated by him.

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

[tbct_mt2]

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

It is max post counted per day only, and participants must not fullfill exactly 20 posts per day to be paid. There are always two types of posters: bad and good. Good posters will do know when they must stop posting, when they don't see reasons to make posts. Personally, if I don't see interesting topics or interesting discussions, I will not make posts.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number. There are some campaigns that have max weekly posts at 50 or 60, and I saw there are many participants don't fullfill max posts. This thing can happen with Yobit campaign too, especially from now on posts will be checked quality before being eligible for payments.

[joniboini]

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number. There are some campaigns that have max weekly posts at 50 or 60, and I saw there are many participants don't fullfill max posts.

They usually have a higher pay rate per post, especially if you compare it with Yobit rate. So, missing five posts or so won't give them that much difference. Which is why, a campaign like Yobit tends to increase the spamming from users because they need to get 140 posts a week to get the full payment (around 0.01 BTC or so, isn't it?).

Not saying that Yobit participants == spammers, just to highlight that a good manager is really needed to prevent them from going out of the line.

[Bekuciwu9]

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188149

[White sugar]

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188149

The campaign now has a manager, I think there won't be much spammers in the near future. The maximum is 20 but there is no minimum, you get paid even for a single post. What incentives spam is not the maximum number of posts by day but the lack of a good campaign manager, if the maximum os low people could just use shills to post more.

[Bekuciwu9]

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188149

The campaign now has a manager, I think there won't be much spammers in the near future. The maximum is 20 but there is no minimum, you get paid even for a single post. What incentives spam is not the maximum number of posts by day but the lack of a good campaign manager, if the maximum os low people could just use shills to post more.

Before start of this campaign you werent active for 10 months, and now suddenly you have urge to write here? You see this forum only as source of income, and what is even more funny, you are advertising forum that wants to be competition to bitcointalk.

[Bttzed03]

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What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188149

The good thing though is that there is no minimum post each day or each week. Yobit already asked for suggestions before which suggests that they are interested in quality. That is the reason why it's being managed by a reputable manager now.

If you see someone who you think is spamming or bursting post, you can always report it to the manager and they be ban if proven. Check the list of already banned participants below.
List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

and what is even more funny, you are advertising forum that wants to be competition to bitcointalk.

I don't think the adminstrators or members of Bitcointalk has a problem with this, they aren't scared because in the past, similar platform have tried dethroning Bitcointalk but couldn't success. The problem they should be concerned with, is the level of spam they'll be tacking over the couple of few weeks this campaign will be active. I just went through the list of signature participants and I must say, I'm not impressed. Maybe in the coming few weeks more quality members will engage with the campaign without spamming the forum.

What make a signature campaign stand out apart from the obvious which is their payrate, is the level/number of quality participants participating in that campaign. The campaign already have a quality, well reputed manager, what's left now is quality of posts from participates.

[The3max]

I was invited to join yobit's signature campaign program, but I was not eligible to participate. I see that they set the rule of maximum 20 post / day, if there are about 1,000 people participating in this campaign, the forum will have to suffer 20,000 spam messages every day. What is the measure for this?

[TryNinja]

I was invited to join yobit's signature campaign program, but I was not eligible to participate. I see that they set the rule of maximum 20 post / day, if there are about 1,000 people participating in this campaign, the forum will have to suffer 20,000 spam messages every day. What is the measure for this?

They finally hired a good campaign manager to control the major spam. His job is to check what the users are doing and ban these that are abusing the system to f*ck the forum and earn while doing it.

His list of banned users: List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign

[tbct_mt2]

They finally hired a good campaign manager to control the major spam. His job is to check what the users are doing and ban these that are abusing the system to f*ck the forum and earn while doing it.

His list of banned users: List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign

The definition of ban is different from normal ones. Ban means people who keep wearing signature of CryptoTalk.org and posting won't get payments for their posts after getting ban from manager for whatever reasons (spam, burst posting, eg.). Those people won't be banned by the forum, if they don't violate any rule of the forum that cause to bans. Those people can be able to keep posting while still wearing signature of Cryptotalk.org, that potentially will probably result in complaints that CryptoTalk.org feeds spams (after hiring a good manager).

On the other hand, as we see, most of participants join that campaign (since beginning) are shitposters, and they make posts only they get payments. If they banned by manager, I think most of them (shitposters) will stop posting.

                                    Posts per day                                  
   #  User                    BPIP  before    now  AvgLen   Merit 
   1. Lucky7btc               BPIP     0.1   24.0     179         
   2. Bitkoyns                BPIP     0.0   22.0     264       6 
   3. Chmel                   BPIP     0.3   21.0     113       7 
   4. Experia                 BPIP     0.0   21.0     258         
   5. leexhin                 BPIP     0.0   21.0     412         
   6. teosanru                BPIP     0.0   21.0     614       2 
   7. HarHarHar9965           BPIP     0.0   20.0     741         
   8. jmigdlc99               BPIP     0.0   20.0     508      28 
   9. joromz1226              BPIP     0.0   20.0     536       8 
  10. lestherat               BPIP     0.0   20.0     951       1 
  11. voltesbit777            BPIP     0.9   20.0     358       1 
  12. zupdawg                 BPIP     0.0   20.0     262       8 
  13. cozytrade               BPIP     0.0   19.0     143         
  14. kSL                     BPIP     0.0   19.0      98         
  15. yoseph                  BPIP     0.1   19.0     340      12 
  16. plast555                BPIP     0.1   17.0     407       1 
  17. asradoni                BPIP     0.0   16.0     277       6 
  18. Judge-Dredd             BPIP     0.0   16.0     354         
  19. kaltun                  BPIP     1.0   16.0     406       1 
  20. ardentvolcanoes         BPIP     2.9   15.0     397         
  21. gold969                 BPIP     0.1   15.0     370       1 
  22. CODE200                 BPIP     0.0   13.0     340         
  23. matchi2011              BPIP     2.1   13.0     427       3 
  24. mmo4me.2016             BPIP     0.0   13.0     221       6 
  25. trumpman                BPIP     0.0   13.0     355      22 
  26. adroitful_one           BPIP     0.0   12.0     399      38 
  27. Deborah Christine       BPIP     0.1   12.0     356      34 
  28. indika                  BPIP     0.0   12.0     231         
  29. Pab                     BPIP     0.1   12.0     317      12 
  30. Danslip                 BPIP     6.7   11.0     378       9 
  31. iwantapony              BPIP     4.0   11.0     401      28 
  32. Morguk                  BPIP     0.0   11.0     254         
  33. Muzika                  BPIP     0.0   11.0     257      11 
  34. ShooterXD               BPIP     0.0   11.0     253       1 
  35. coin-investor           BPIP     7.7   10.0     390       6 
  36. Gyrsur                  BPIP     0.0   10.0     372     166 
  37. judeafante              BPIP     0.3   10.0     366         
  38. Malsetid                BPIP     1.4   10.0     381       2 
  39. nara1892                BPIP     0.0   10.0     197       8 
  40. robelneo                BPIP     4.4   10.0     331       9 
  41. Sanitough               BPIP     0.6   10.0     336      35 
  42. ChrisPop                BPIP     0.0    9.0     478       5 
  43. Digitalbitcoin          BPIP     0.0    9.0     516       1 
  44. hridoyb                 BPIP     0.1    9.0     488         
  45. masulum                 BPIP     4.6    9.0     665     371 
  46. pieppiep                BPIP     6.6    9.0     693         
  47. rebrik7                 BPIP     0.1    9.0     463       8 
  48. startsts                BPIP     0.0    9.0     209      12 
  49. 2girls                  BPIP     0.0    8.0     288       3 
  50. barota                  BPIP     0.3    8.0     187         
  51. elewton                 BPIP     0.0    8.0     417         
  52. FaucetKING              BPIP     1.1    8.0     480         
  53. hashman                 BPIP     0.0    8.0     385       7 
  54. johhnyUA                BPIP     6.7    8.0     491     493 
  55. mmo_online_1981         BPIP     0.0    8.0     174         
  56. poptok1                 BPIP     0.7    8.0    1012     117 
  57. tbct_mt2                BPIP     4.9    8.0     508     304 
  58. Alex077                 BPIP     3.1    7.0     764       7 
  59. bellicose               BPIP     0.0    7.0     235       2 
  60. bozo333                 BPIP     0.0    7.0     390       5 
  61. dRAIH                   BPIP     0.0    7.0     177         
  62. FutureBitcoin           BPIP     1.4    7.0     278      14 
  63. generous                BPIP     0.0    7.0     140         
  64. J1mb0                   BPIP     0.6    7.0     212       2 
  65. jvdp                    BPIP     0.0    7.0     347      23 
  66. Shenzou                 BPIP     0.0    7.0     617      21 
  67. SummerBliss             BPIP     0.0    7.0     644       1 
  68. adonay72                BPIP     0.1    6.0     485     138 
  69. alexflow                BPIP     0.0    6.0     121       2 
  70. artur11110000           BPIP     0.0    6.0     125       5 
  71. BaronCoin               BPIP     0.0    6.0     135         
  72. hopenotlate             BPIP     0.4    6.0     407      21 
  73. rez303                  BPIP     0.0    6.0     404         
  74. stan86                  BPIP     0.0    6.0     197      11 
  75. tippytoes               BPIP     3.0    6.0     539       7 
  76. akhzayn                 BPIP     0.0    5.0     376       4 
  77. BitHodler               BPIP     5.7    5.0     623     166 
  78. DaMut                   BPIP     2.0    5.0     948       6 
  79. darkangel11             BPIP     0.3    5.0     489      57 
  80. DGulari                 BPIP     0.0    5.0     168         
  81. Dread Pirate Roberts    BPIP     0.0    5.0     372      20 
  82. ivakar                  BPIP     0.0    5.0     384       6 
  83. lunnatic                BPIP     0.4    5.0     177         
  84. ~Money~                 BPIP     0.1    5.0     323      15 
  85. monineklutak            BPIP     0.4    5.0     136         
  86. ReiMomo                 BPIP     0.0    5.0     444       3 
  87. Strongkored             BPIP     1.9    5.0     406       3 
  88. yazher                  BPIP     8.4    5.0     658     264 
  89. AicecreaME              BPIP     0.0    4.0     713      12 
  90. asriloni                BPIP     0.0    4.0     401       3 
  91. bitcoin31               BPIP     3.7    4.0     528       9 
  92. bloogy                  BPIP     0.0    4.0     188       3 
  93. Darooghe                BPIP     0.1    4.0     582       2 
  94. doomistake              BPIP     0.0    4.0     514      15 
  95. funchiestz              BPIP     0.0    4.0     283      21 
  96. JeffBrad12              BPIP     1.3    4.0     440         
  97. josephdd1               BPIP     0.1    4.0     301      11 
  98. marioantonini           BPIP     0.0    4.0     471         
  99. nimogsm                 BPIP     2.0    4.0     184      23 
 100. popcoins                BPIP     0.0    4.0     506         
 101. TinaK                   BPIP     0.0    4.0     376         
 102. tonyvo2017              BPIP     2.1    4.0     412      10 
 103. X-ray                   BPIP     1.0    4.0     462       2 
 104. Zich                    BPIP     0.0    4.0     115         
 105. 2x25BT                  BPIP     0.4    3.0     105         
 106. apoorvlathey            BPIP     0.1    3.0     480      32 
 107. Babylon                 BPIP     0.0    3.0     358         
 108. bileq                   BPIP     0.0    3.0     207       9 
 109. crairezx20              BPIP     0.7    3.0     488      44 
 110. Dhoe                    BPIP     0.3    3.0     293         
 111. Ivanech                 BPIP     0.0    3.0     493         
 112. johnnywoo2015           BPIP     0.0    3.0     217         
 113. Lantind                 BPIP     0.1    3.0     366     150 
 114. lionheart78             BPIP     0.1    3.0     687       5 
 115. logicgate               BPIP     1.4    3.0     336       2 
 116. PuertoLibre             BPIP     7.0    3.0     298       2 
 117. scanderpot              BPIP     0.0    3.0     158         
 118. shimbark123             BPIP     0.0    3.0     281         
 119. skiv2011                BPIP     0.0    3.0     295       1 
 120. StephenJH               BPIP     0.0    3.0     424       1 
 121. vamp8                   BPIP     0.0    3.0      76         
 122. abel1337                BPIP     0.0    2.0     375       1 
 123. ajqjjj                  BPIP     0.0    2.0     395       7 
 124. bhabygrim               BPIP     0.3    2.0     385         
 125. CarnagexD               BPIP     0.0    2.0     295       1 
 126. danherbias07            BPIP     1.3    2.0     291       2 
 127. DeadCoin                BPIP     0.0    2.0     249      10 
 128. GSpgh                   BPIP     0.0    2.0     201         
 129. HartmaniA               BPIP     0.0    2.0     143       4 
 130. illyiller               BPIP     0.0    2.0     388      15 
 131. InvoKing                BPIP     0.0    2.0     348      64 
 132. KawaBunGa               BPIP     0.0    2.0     218       1 
 133. Kepasa                  BPIP     0.0    2.0     202         
 134. liuqi                   BPIP     0.3    2.0     371       7 
 135. lucky80                 BPIP     2.0    2.0     853       5 
 136. seleme                  BPIP     0.1    2.0     688       1 
 137. shinratensei_           BPIP     1.3    2.0     403       4 
 138. skarais                 BPIP     0.0    2.0     436      29 
 139. Taskford                BPIP     0.3    2.0     360         
 140. Vitamin_52              BPIP     0.0    2.0     143       7 
 141. carlfebz2               BPIP     0.0    1.0     133      26 
 142. Cent21                  BPIP     0.6    1.0     716      27 
 143. clickerz                BPIP     0.0    1.0     238         
 144. DigDeepMining           BPIP     0.0    1.0     983       3 
 145. DroomieChikito          BPIP     0.4    1.0     300       7 
 146. error08                 BPIP     0.0    1.0     893         
 147. Hippocrypto             BPIP     0.1    1.0     274      14 
 148. iv4n                    BPIP     1.3    1.0     418      12 
 149. jack8989                BPIP     0.0    1.0     419         
 150. kodtycoon               BPIP     0.0    1.0     236       2 
 151. KosmoKisa               BPIP     0.0    1.0     149         
 152. kr105                   BPIP     0.0    1.0     622       1 
 153. medsi2                  BPIP     0.0    1.0     614         
 154. micher143               BPIP     0.0    1.0     194         
 155. n0ne                    BPIP     0.0    1.0     366       8 
 156. nelson4lov              BPIP     0.0    1.0     217         
 157. Sadlife                 BPIP     0.0    1.0     350       6 
 158. sempak                  BPIP     0.0    1.0     270         
 159. Sled                    BPIP     0.0    1.0     396      14 
 160. th3nolo                 BPIP     0.0    1.0     333      35 
 161. scat                    BPIP     0.0    0.0       0         
 162. VenMiner                BPIP     0.0    0.0       0         

There are already some of participants banned by rule violations: copy & paste, for instance.

futureofbitcoin - Copy/paste

[royalfestus]

maybe with this thread, we can save few members through reconsidering their decision of joining those campaigns after reading these disadvantages.

I presume this is largely inspired by Yobit's resurrection. Thing is though apart from a few exceptions none of its participants would stand a hope in hell of getting into any other campaign. They've managed to prove that within a couple of days.

They're going to hang themselves. I'm sure you can take it on without being hopeless but you'll need to be conscious of a lot of people watching you closely.

Yobit is actually out again with expected post of 20 max daily and they expect no spam, They think they can control spam even with their high rank member requirements?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I presume this is largely inspired by Yobit's resurrection. Thing is though apart from a few exceptions none of its participants would stand a hope in hell of getting into any other campaign. They've managed to prove that within a couple of days.

They're going to hang themselves. I'm sure you can take it on without being hopeless but you'll need to be conscious of a lot of people watching you closely.

Yobit is actually out again with expected post of 20 max daily and they expect no spam, They think they can control spam even with their high rank member requirements?

Initially, the high ranked members criteria should have given them less spam compared to when they did allow lower ranked users and beside they have hired a well reputed manager with years of experience to tackle the quality of post of the campaign although one factor they refused to put into consideration was the minimum merit earned by users been accepted into the campaign this would had prevented dormant account from enrolling.

Best method to prevent or reduce spam would be to give the signature manager the ability to accept quality participants into the campaign that way spammers won't be given the opportunity to spam and get paid.

[UserU]

It's been disturbing lately that whenever I come across a shitpost, 90% it comes from a Cryptotalk user.

Thankfully yahoo's making radical changes so hopefully we see less spam from this campaign.

[Lucius]

UserU, this stems from the fact that this campaign has more than 500 participants which luckily are now only paid for 10 posts daily, so in theory, this could mean 5000 new posts every day or 35 000 on a weekly basis. Regardless of control many participants still generate spam in the eyes of many users of this forum.

It's actually a fine line between what can be classified as spam, or posting without reading previous posts which results in repetitive posting. I notice many of them do not pay any attention to anything, only number of posts is important.

[UserU]

It's actually a fine line between what can be classified as spam, or posting without reading previous posts which results in repetitive posting. I notice many of them do not pay any attention to anything, only number of posts is important.

Yup, but don't you find them pretty annoying too? We browse the forum for genuine conversations, only to see necroposts or the same thing over and over.

While these don't fall under spam, they get old pretty quickly.

[Lucius]

Yup, but don't you find them pretty annoying too? We browse the forum for genuine conversations, only to see necroposts or the same thing over and over.

I absolutely agree that it all seems pretty annoying, a large number of posts and a very small percentage of quality posts really pollute the forum to some extent. What any user of this forum can do is report such posts to moderators, or directly to the campaign manager. All other decisions are in a higher instance, so if they think the current situation is OK, then there is no choice but to adapt.

In addition to everything else mentioned in the OP, I think that the long-term consequences should also be taken into account. YoBit is a very problematic exchange, and although indirectly, it is promoted in a very aggressive and powerful way. There will come a time when some will lose money as a result of promoting such forum/exchange, will anyone take responsibility for that?

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I absolutely agree that it all seems pretty annoying, a large number of posts and a very small percentage of quality posts really pollute the forum to some extent. What any user of this forum can do is report such posts to moderators, or directly to the campaign manager. All other decisions are in a higher instance, so if they think the current situation is OK, then there is no choice but to adapt.

Considering the recent change in number of post eligible for payment daily, the campaigns is heading towards the right direction since a total of just 70 post weekly is the maximum that can be produced by each individual which isn't quite different from other campaign on the forum considering the amount Cryptotalk is paying for that amount.

I know of two campaign paying far less for 60 post so i guess the issue of post numbers has been resolved. The quality of the participants post is the next issue to resolve and that can only happen if a manager is been given control over who joins the campaign and posts been eligible for payment.

[Coyster]

The quality of the participants post is the next issue to resolve and that can only happen if a manager is been given control over who joins the campaign and posts been eligible for payment.

I think that issue has also been handled, as far as I know Yahoo has been in charge of the campaign for some weeks now and the changes are visible all and around the forum.

cryptotalk is a very attractive campaign pay wise and I think they would not have had this much issue and eyebrows raised if they had hired a good manager at the initial time, they had to be banned before they could understand that the forum has rules, and they rightly adjusted.