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I hope that Turkey is going to be destroyed after this massacre which does without a reason.
Erdogan drops bombs towomen and kids - he hits the root of terrorism.....
Apart from that, he helps ISIS gain more power as the Kurds was a strong Barrier and stopped the ISIS dominance.
He just started this invasion in order to strengthen the migrant waves and push pressure to Europe.

This is the start of what will ultimately become a by-force destruction of Islam. It might not be easy, but when Turkey disappears, we might be able to rename what's left of Istanbul into Constantinople, or maybe even Byzantium... names it held in the past.

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Such a cool names for the desert wow

Nothing related to Islam .
The plan from the beginning 2011, called also the arabic spring, was to divide the syrian territory as the syrian people is already devided into many sectes and tribes. Great divisions are inside the islamic majority of people, (sunnah,shiaa,alawi,ismaili,...) so there happened a call up for criminels ISIS to invade territory but they failed establishing a real governance due to many reasons. Now i think it's time to use an organised army to complete the mission.
Turquia is responsible for all misery happened to the Syrians during the last decenny.

A spot in the desert that has water on two sides, and a canal going right through the middle.

With a total population of around 15 million residents in its metropolitan area, Istanbul is one of the world's most populous cities, ranking as the world's fourth largest city proper and the largest European city - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul.

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@Naida_BR who’ll punish Turkey as the UN who’s existence is left only on paper, or the EU who’s decided to stay away from this war? Trump won’t bother punishing Turkey unless it crosses a line, and no one really knows what that line actually is and hence Turkey won’t be punished. I’m not sure what Trump got for allowing this massacre, but if I were to take a wild guess then I would say he’s got some valuable information on Biden from Turkey officials in exchange for the withdrawal of US forces.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1181232249821388801?lang=en

The deep state needs a major war, or wars, to realign the world banking system. They also need to "rescue" many countries with social ranking systems to enable them to create a global state. There will be more wars arriving, and they will merge into a great war.

To the deep state, you mention belong big companies producing guns.
It is not about realigning the bank system.
They own already all the money of the world.  They don't need more.
All they want is power. The power to control the fate of other countries.
What they want is to sell more guns, and you need them when you have a war.

Your subject is wrong. Turkey does NOT invade Syria, they just walk into Syrian Kurdistan making a few big powera a favour.

1) save american taxpayers some dollars

2) saves russian to bomb them and put them in line

3) give erdogan another chance to proove himself as the new grand mufi he desire so much to be

You are right. The UN does absolutely nothing and it is so frustrating.
The US should punish them. In other occasions they would have already done it, but Trump is so stupid maybe stoned that he cannot realized what he did by giving them the right to invade Syria...

I saw so many people being quick to blame the US for withdrawing but none of those blame Turkey for actually invading. Which is ridiculous. And to think the Kurds were on the frontline against ISIS.


So you think Turkey was behind ISIS?

Absolutely not. It's not an exact statement that Turkey is behind it but Ardogan YES.
Turkey is redponsible for every fighter and piece of arm crossed the border to Syria. Do you know how much Tunisians joined the war by simply traveling from Tunisia to Lybie then to Turkey or even directly to Turkey because it's a Visa free. Who was responsible for Tons of arms crossed the boards during several years? Can you tell me why Turkey government support some group of fighters classified as terrorists by the syrian government "Front of Nosra"? If he is not behind it, then i think ISIS did really enjoyed such a Turkish neighborhood . 

This is super dumb statement. Since for Syrians to reach Europe they need to cross Turkey. Why would he want more refugees? There is already huge number of Syrian refuges in Turkey. Most are in Jordan.  Plan and goals are different. Refugees are just what comes with wars in 20th and 21th century.

That's totally correct. We definitely don't blame the whole nation, but Erdogan.
He makes this mess in the Middle East for his own benefit. This situation is positive for him as the instability of the area there "gives" him power. It was also known that he was giving aid to ISIS as there were freights with arms that was going to ISIS territories and caught by Russians before they deliver them to the terrorists.

That's an interesting opinion. So all those murders and attacks in France, Germany, The UK, Italy, and many more, wasn't done by refugees. Nobody is accepting them but Turkey, the savior state. Turkey should not be a babysitter, but why should any country accept rapefugees who can't adapt? When you go to another country it doesn't have to change for you. You have to change or leave.
I will always say that when an army of a country leaves its borders and moves to another country it's an invasion. You can call it something else like a stabilization or a mission, but it is what it is.

Threats? And last time I checked Turkey wanted to be in the EU. You can open your borders but it won't matter since you are not in the EU and will only cause barricades and armed forces to be set up in Bulgaria and Greece. You can open your side of the border but there's still the Eastern border of the EU.

I don't vote for those socialists.


Not all. Some are doing perfectly fine like Hungary and Poland. No refugees there.
Any thoughts on EU embargo as an answer to your invasion of Syria?

First of all, all countries buy weapons from Russians or Americans. You don't know if the weapons ar edelivered directly to ISIS from the Russians or Americans OR Erdogan delivered to them...
Europe has accepted so many refugees and they keep accepting them, this is why refugees keep traveling to Europe. And last but not least, "In Turkey, we want to create new Northern Syria" - why should you alter a country? is it yours to do so?

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Did Erdogan guaranteed to build new houses and apartments...? Or your own assumption?


Private media or state owned media make no difference at all. They all work according to their own benefits.

Western media are annoying and bias but at least they can anything and even against their own government and leaders. Can Saudi, Turkey, China, Qatar... media do the same?

So which one is actually better?


Did your parents teached you to disrespect Catholics and Protestants?

Then how can the world be a better place for all?  


Are you? Care to explain a little more?
 

Why buy weapons? To be more confident, compared to other countries, about refugees and migrants, Europe will not close its borders for 5 years

I remember that here, on forum, was one guy from Turkey which told that Erdogan is one who supports ISIS and give them shelter in Turkey. And i don't remember about whom he told it. I just remember that he calls someone to be Erdogan propagandists on this forum and former ISIS soldier.

Trying to remember who was this guy and about what guy he talked  ???

You are totally brainwashed. You have no right to invade a country. Someone said to you that the reason of this invasion is to build apartments and houses. Those refugees had their own apartments and they had no reason to abandon the Northern Syria before Turkey started to drop bombs to their heads...

If you want to protect the land from ISIS then why you kill Kurds?
Kurds was a great force which was against the ISIS terrorists and you only attack them. On top of that, because you attack Kurds - ISIS fighters are getting released by Turkish army.

And of course... Turkey never kills civilians...

https://www.france24.com/en/20191013-turkish-air-raid-in-syria-kills-several-civilians-at-least-one-journalist-1
(Check out who Turkey kills civilians)

ABC news lying to make things look worse than reality

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2019/10/15/abc-news-airs-knob-creek-kentucky-gun-range-video-as-syria-bombing/3976328002/

You always tell people about the bias but free western media. You didn't realized that all media are bias but yours don't have the same freedom unlike the western media? Who's more bias then? You really believe entering another country with your army and bombing locations aren't invasion?

If Turkey is a friend of Assad then you will never invade its territory. Assad didn't ask Turkey to invade his country. If Turkey agrees with Assad then you don't interfere. Remember that Assad still have the mighty Russians and the Iranian troops. Assad can easily destroy the Kurds if he wants.

You always said that Turkish invasion in Syria will bring peace in Middle East. But you should know that there was peace already when ISIS was beaten. Now you are bombing and sending military against Kurds. You are helping the releasing of ISIS prisoners. Killing Kurds and helping ISIS stopped the Middle East peace and will result in another years of killing and fighting.   

You are just one of the many products of your strict beliefs enforced unto you since birth. The result is a perfectly brainwashed person that is also ready to pass it to its next generation.   

Turkey did not get involved in the battles until Euphrates Shield, and even after that operation the whole ordeal is centered around proxy wars between factions rather than direct attacks. Turkey is trying to get rid of the refugees that have been inside the country for more than 5 years. People who ran away from ISIS saying how their country is not safe. Of course, Turkey could immediately say "alright go home, ISIS is gone" but what would happen then? "Tyrant Turkey chasing refugees out of the country despite the civil war in Syria" this? Probably. You would see headlines similar to this every single day on every single mainstream media outlet. To prevent this Turkey decided to create a buffer zone in Syria and hell, you can even see on social media and other outlets reporting that the presidents of Russia, Turkey, US and other NATO countries are meeting almost everyday. Do you think that NATO under UNs control is less powerful than Turkey? Of course no. But you can see that they are only "condemning" the attack. Hell, even US Senator Graham's voice tapes leaked saying how Turkey should continue, if US allows them it will build friendly relationships and that Turkey may buy their weapons instead of Russia's. This situation is more  complicated than just bias and sides. Not just Turkey, everyone is involved. But the only ones suffering are innocent civilians who are caught up in this.

This is very hard topic to talk
Let me clear it for you:

In one hand, in the past, greeks, serbs, albanians and others nations was under pressure and control of Ottoman Empire. All of this nations fought for their independence in the past and of course turks from the past called them terrorist and criminals. I think the same with kurds.

For honest, i should look deeply in history of that region. If kurds were there for all their hostory, then it's obvious who is evil here  :)

Also, you can't agree with fact that Turkey invaded into territory of another country. It's the same as Russia in 2014. And i think you can imagine what i think about such things  :)

Your comment has both true and false facts, Kurds have been in Turkey for many, many years. I am talking about 50 plus years, though they have been (mostly) a minority. However, the government during all these times did not oppress Kurds in a tyrannical manner. For the past 30 years or so, a Kurdish organisation "PKK" which has been recognised as a terrorist organisation by literally everyone has been doing hit-and-run guerilla attacks on Turkish soil. I don't know how the media strayed to "Turks are slaughtering Kurds" while it's nowhere near that.

Yet, now Turkey does the same thing like Kurds do to them.
They claim that Mediterranean is theirs (while it is a Greek Territory), they claim that Cyprus is Turkish, etc. But they state that Kurds are the real terrorists not Turks.

You are living in your own propaganda.
You invaded Cyprus the same way you invade Syria now.
Cyprus was an independent democracy, you had no right to invade them.
You now do the same and Erdogan and your government keep telling you lies. Open your mind and start watching news and reading books outside your tyrannical country.

Ehm, why not 120,000?)

"The early Turkic peoples lived somewhere in northern China, specifically in western Manchuria, as agricultural group, but later started their migration to Central Asia and Siberia with a predominantly nomadic life style. In Central Asia, the earliest surviving Turkic-language texts, the eighth-century Orkhon inscriptions, were erected by the Göktürks in the sixth century CE, and include words not common to Turkic but found in unrelated Inner Asian languages"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#History

So, turks not belongs to Anatolia, but more from somewhere in central Asia

Here you can read about pre-turkish Anatolian nations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_peoples_of_Anatolia
Spoiler:  Hittites, greeks (after Alexander invasion),  Luwians,  Palaic peoples.

About kurds:
"Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[50] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds#History



Ok, even if your right here (i don't have any assumptions that you're lying here) it doesn't mean that Turkish can invade neighboring countries.


I pray for such in that case  for honest  ;D
Look at my nickname: UA
UA - Ukraine
Russia invaded to Ukraine in 2014.
So, it's obvious that i must support such solution.

Let's try again: Even if YPG is some kind of terrorists, it doesn't mean that turkish army can invade Syria like it's their backyard

As wee see above, from my links, ancient people from Anatolia can be considered as turks ancestors the same as chineese  :)

At second, about refugees: Do you think that war really help to stop their flow? I think you're a little wrong. In reality, war is cause of refugees. If you don't want to keep kurds, just send them all into Syria/Iraq from where did they arrive. I don't think that's more expensive than a war.

At third it's fun sentence about 5 millions of refugees in Ukraine  ;D noone from refugees will arive into another country without strong social help for lazy people. In Ukraine unemployed gets 30 $ per month. In Germany they have 700 euro  ;D

It is not your problem to set free the Northern Syria (which is already free but according to your words it isn't).
Syria is a different country from Turkey. Having said that, Syria is INVADED by you. The Northern Syria was living in peace until you started dropping bombs to them.

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

At the end of the day, the near east is probably the most ethnically mixed region in the world.

Turks have conquered these lands again and again throughout history, and established multiple sovereign entities on this geography, while some of the clans that are being discussed now in today's politics were up until recently virtually unheard of, and have been implanted to this region (eg Iraq) at the end of World War 1 deliberately by the allied powers (nations drawn on the desert sand with a British cane), so that the new Turkish Republic could not access the oil there and grow to be one of the leading powers of the world again...

The failing and utterly corrupt Erdogan regime finally understands that making allies with the medieval minded backwards nations of the Middle East cost them a tremendous opportunity in Iraq, and launched a late offensive in Syria that is ultimately pointless and gives no decisive advantage to the Turkish nation...

Ceasefire was announced last week but there is still a lot of gunfire exchange happen between Turkish army and the Kurdish fighters.
The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland.

"The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland." I would like for you to elaborate on this. It is true, however, is that the fight had still been going on. Some reports say that Kurds had underground tunnels where they've been doing hit and run attacks on the Turkish army for the last few days.

It might be true that they have tunnels, it was their land for so many years and they are fighting ISIS at that place.
However, what would be the case of the Turkish army blocking refugee fleets and they let them to be massacred along with the fighters?
I don't cheer that they don't stop the ceasefire it is reprehensible for both sides.

I would really like some source lniks regarding how "Turkish Army is blocking the refugees attempting to run" if you are talking about people in Turkey going back to Syria, it makes sense. Because it's literally an actual warzone right now. Turkey's main goal has been to set up a safe zone so that each and every Syrian can go back to Syria.