Erdogan Invades Syria

[Naida_BR]

why refugees keep traveling to Europe.

Because of your puppet politicians who support terrorists in Middle-East. Northern Syria was INVADED by TERRORISTS. They killed many Syrians. Therefore, Syrians immigrated to Turkey and Europe. New Northern Syria means we will build new houses and apartments to sent Syrian refugees from Turkey and EU to Syria. People will go back their country and immigration problem will be solved for Turkey and Europe but your politicians don’t want to do this because they are puppet of capitalists. Do you really believe in your mass-media? They are manipulating people about Middle-East.

You are totally brainwashed. You have no right to invade a country. Someone said to you that the reason of this invasion is to build apartments and houses. Those refugees had their own apartments and they had no reason to abandon the Northern Syria before Turkey started to drop bombs to their heads...

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[Naida_BR]

why refugees keep traveling to Europe.

Because of your puppet politicians who support terrorists in Middle-East. Northern Syria was INVADED by TERRORISTS. They killed many Syrians. Therefore, Syrians immigrated to Turkey and Europe. New Northern Syria means we will build new houses and apartments to sent Syrian refugees from Turkey and EU to Syria. People will go back their country and immigration problem will be solved for Turkey and Europe but your politicians don’t want to do this because they are puppet of capitalists. Do you really believe in your mass-media? They are manipulating people about Middle-East.

You are totally brainwashed. You have no right to invade a country. Someone said to you that the reason of this invasion is to build apartments and houses. Those refugees had their own apartments and they had no reason to abandon the Northern Syria before Turkey started to drop bombs to their heads...

Lol. You are brainwashed, not me. You don’t know anything about Northern Syria. This area was invaded by ISIS and then YPG. Therefore, Syrians got away from Northern Syria to Europe and Turkey. We’ll save this area and give back Syrians.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193009.msg52765896#msg52765896

Turkey have never drop bombs to civilians. If we do this, we can invade all Syria in 3 day but we didn’t because Syria isn’t our enemy. We will agree with Beshar Esad, then we’ll send Syrians to Northern Syria. We’ll bring peace this area.

If you want to protect the land from ISIS then why you kill Kurds?
Kurds was a great force which was against the ISIS terrorists and you only attack them. On top of that, because you attack Kurds - ISIS fighters are getting released by Turkish army.

And of course... Turkey never kills civilians...

https://www.france24.com/en/20191013-turkish-air-raid-in-syria-kills-several-civilians-at-least-one-journalist-1
(Check out who Turkey kills civilians)

[PopoJeff]

ABC news lying to make things look worse than reality

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2019/10/15/abc-news-airs-knob-creek-kentucky-gun-range-video-as-syria-bombing/3976328002/

[DaveWave]

Do you really believe in your mass-media? They are manipulating people about Middle-East.

You are totally brainwashed. You have no right to invade a country. Someone said to you that the reason of this invasion is to build apartments and houses. Those refugees had their own apartments and they had no reason to abandon the Northern Syria before Turkey started to drop bombs to their heads...

Lol. You are brainwashed, not me. You don’t know anything about Northern Syria. This area was invaded by ISIS and then YPG. Therefore, Syrians got away from Northern Syria to Europe and Turkey. We’ll save this area and give back Syrians.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193009.msg52765896#msg52765896

Turkey have never drop bombs to civilians. If we do this, we can invade all Syria in 3 day but we didn’t because Syria isn’t our enemy. We will agree with Beshar Esad, then we’ll send Syrians to Northern Syria. We’ll bring peace this area.

You always tell people about the bias but free western media. You didn't realized that all media are bias but yours don't have the same freedom unlike the western media? Who's more bias then? You really believe entering another country with your army and bombing locations aren't invasion?

If Turkey is a friend of Assad then you will never invade its territory. Assad didn't ask Turkey to invade his country. If Turkey agrees with Assad then you don't interfere. Remember that Assad still have the mighty Russians and the Iranian troops. Assad can easily destroy the Kurds if he wants.

You always said that Turkish invasion in Syria will bring peace in Middle East. But you should know that there was peace already when ISIS was beaten. Now you are bombing and sending military against Kurds. You are helping the releasing of ISIS prisoners. Killing Kurds and helping ISIS stopped the Middle East peace and will result in another years of killing and fighting.   

You are just one of the many products of your strict beliefs enforced unto you since birth. The result is a perfectly brainwashed person that is also ready to pass it to its next generation.   

[Deathwing]

Do you really believe in your mass-media? They are manipulating people about Middle-East.

You are totally brainwashed. You have no right to invade a country. Someone said to you that the reason of this invasion is to build apartments and houses. Those refugees had their own apartments and they had no reason to abandon the Northern Syria before Turkey started to drop bombs to their heads...

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You always tell people about the bias but free western media. You didn't realized that all media are bias but yours don't have the same freedom unlike the western media? Who's more bias then? You really believe entering another country with your army and bombing locations aren't invasion?

If Turkey is a friend of Assad then you will never invade its territory. Assad didn't ask Turkey to invade his country. If Turkey agrees with Assad then you don't interfere. Remember that Assad still have the mighty Russians and the Iranian troops. Assad can easily destroy the Kurds if he wants.

You always said that Turkish invasion in Syria will bring peace in Middle East. But you should know that there was peace already when ISIS was beaten. Now you are bombing and sending military against Kurds. You are helping the releasing of ISIS prisoners. Killing Kurds and helping ISIS stopped the Middle East peace and will result in another years of killing and fighting.   

You are just one of the many products of your strict beliefs enforced unto you since birth. The result is a perfectly brainwashed person that is also ready to pass it to its next generation.   

Turkey did not get involved in the battles until Euphrates Shield, and even after that operation the whole ordeal is centered around proxy wars between factions rather than direct attacks. Turkey is trying to get rid of the refugees that have been inside the country for more than 5 years. People who ran away from ISIS saying how their country is not safe. Of course, Turkey could immediately say "alright go home, ISIS is gone" but what would happen then? "Tyrant Turkey chasing refugees out of the country despite the civil war in Syria" this? Probably. You would see headlines similar to this every single day on every single mainstream media outlet. To prevent this Turkey decided to create a buffer zone in Syria and hell, you can even see on social media and other outlets reporting that the presidents of Russia, Turkey, US and other NATO countries are meeting almost everyday. Do you think that NATO under UNs control is less powerful than Turkey? Of course no. But you can see that they are only "condemning" the attack. Hell, even US Senator Graham's voice tapes leaked saying how Turkey should continue, if US allows them it will build friendly relationships and that Turkey may buy their weapons instead of Russia's. This situation is more  complicated than just bias and sides. Not just Turkey, everyone is involved. But the only ones suffering are innocent civilians who are caught up in this.

[johhnyUA]

We have fighted against PKK/YPG/SDF/SDG/ISIS and other 52 different terrorist groups but one of European countries didn’t help us to save this area. Today, they are supporting another terrorist group who called bt YPG. Capitalists are trying to continue this war but we’ll finish this to bring peace to Middle-East.

This is very hard topic to talk
Let me clear it for you:

In one hand, in the past, greeks, serbs, albanians and others nations was under pressure and control of Ottoman Empire. All of this nations fought for their independence in the past and of course turks from the past called them terrorist and criminals. I think the same with kurds.

For honest, i should look deeply in history of that region. If kurds were there for all their hostory, then it's obvious who is evil here 

Also, you can't agree with fact that Turkey invaded into territory of another country. It's the same as Russia in 2014. And i think you can imagine what i think about such things 

[Deathwing]

We have fighted against PKK/YPG/SDF/SDG/ISIS and other 52 different terrorist groups but one of European countries didn’t help us to save this area. Today, they are supporting another terrorist group who called bt YPG. Capitalists are trying to continue this war but we’ll finish this to bring peace to Middle-East.

This is very hard topic to talk
Let me clear it for you:

In one hand, in the past, greeks, serbs, albanians and others nations was under pressure and control of Ottoman Empire. All of this nations fought for their independence in the past and of course turks from the past called them terrorist and criminals. I think the same with kurds.

For honest, i should look deeply in history of that region. If kurds were there for all their hostory, then it's obvious who is evil here 

Also, you can't agree with fact that Turkey invaded into territory of another country. It's the same as Russia in 2014. And i think you can imagine what i think about such things 

Your comment has both true and false facts, Kurds have been in Turkey for many, many years. I am talking about 50 plus years, though they have been (mostly) a minority. However, the government during all these times did not oppress Kurds in a tyrannical manner. For the past 30 years or so, a Kurdish organisation "PKK" which has been recognised as a terrorist organisation by literally everyone has been doing hit-and-run guerilla attacks on Turkish soil. I don't know how the media strayed to "Turks are slaughtering Kurds" while it's nowhere near that.

[Naida_BR]

We have fighted against PKK/YPG/SDF/SDG/ISIS and other 52 different terrorist groups but one of European countries didn’t help us to save this area. Today, they are supporting another terrorist group who called bt YPG. Capitalists are trying to continue this war but we’ll finish this to bring peace to Middle-East.

This is very hard topic to talk
Let me clear it for you:

In one hand, in the past, greeks, serbs, albanians and others nations was under pressure and control of Ottoman Empire. All of this nations fought for their independence in the past and of course turks from the past called them terrorist and criminals. I think the same with kurds.

For honest, i should look deeply in history of that region. If kurds were there for all their hostory, then it's obvious who is evil here 

Also, you can't agree with fact that Turkey invaded into territory of another country. It's the same as Russia in 2014. And i think you can imagine what i think about such things 

Yet, now Turkey does the same thing like Kurds do to them.
They claim that Mediterranean is theirs (while it is a Greek Territory), they claim that Cyprus is Turkish, etc. But they state that Kurds are the real terrorists not Turks.

[Naida_BR]

We have fighted against PKK/YPG/SDF/SDG/ISIS and other 52 different terrorist groups but one of European countries didn’t help us to save this area. Today, they are supporting another terrorist group who called bt YPG. Capitalists are trying to continue this war but we’ll finish this to bring peace to Middle-East.

This is very hard topic to talk
Let me clear it for you:

In one hand, in the past, greeks, serbs, albanians and others nations was under pressure and control of Ottoman Empire. All of this nations fought for their independence in the past and of course turks from the past called them terrorist and criminals. I think the same with kurds.

For honest, i should look deeply in history of that region. If kurds were there for all their hostory, then it's obvious who is evil here  

Also, you can't agree with fact that Turkey invaded into territory of another country. It's the same as Russia in 2014. And i think you can imagine what i think about such things  

Yet, now Turkey does the same thing like Kurds do to them.
They claim that Mediterranean is theirs (while it is a Greek Territory), they claim that Cyprus is Turkish, etc. But they state that Kurds are the real terrorists not Turks.

You don’t know anything about history. Cyprus is a country established by the Turks and Greeks under the guarantee of England. Since the Greeks started killing Turks in Cyprus, we had to defend ourselves. We have always wanted to make peace with Greece, but the Greek government claimed that all of Cyprus belongs to them.

KKTC

You can continue to blame the Turks at any time, but we are aware of the injustices and persecution against the Turks. It doesn't matter what you say or the prejudice you have against the Turks. We know the truth.

You are living in your own propaganda.
You invaded Cyprus the same way you invade Syria now.
Cyprus was an independent democracy, you had no right to invade them.
You now do the same and Erdogan and your government keep telling you lies. Open your mind and start watching news and reading books outside your tyrannical country.

[johhnyUA]

Turks have been living in Anatolia for 12,000 years.

Ehm, why not 120,000?)

"The early Turkic peoples lived somewhere in northern China, specifically in western Manchuria, as agricultural group, but later started their migration to Central Asia and Siberia with a predominantly nomadic life style. In Central Asia, the earliest surviving Turkic-language texts, the eighth-century Orkhon inscriptions, were erected by the Göktürks in the sixth century CE, and include words not common to Turkic but found in unrelated Inner Asian languages"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#History

So, turks not belongs to Anatolia, but more from somewhere in central Asia

Here you can read about pre-turkish Anatolian nations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_peoples_of_Anatolia
Spoiler:  Hittites, greeks (after Alexander invasion),  Luwians,  Palaic peoples.

About kurds:
"Many Kurds consider themselves descended from the Medes, an ancient Iranian people,[50] and even use a calendar dating from 612 B.C., when the Assyrian capital of Nineveh was conquered by the Medes"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds#History

We accepted more than 1 million Kurdish refugees from Iraq to Turkey during the Iraq War

http://www.madde14.org/images/c/c4/Orsamırak2010.pdf

Ok, even if your right here (i don't have any assumptions that you're lying here) it doesn't mean that Turkish can invade neighboring countries.

more refugees will come to Europe and Russia

I pray for such in that case  for honest  
Look at my nickname: UA
UA - Ukraine
Russia invaded to Ukraine in 2014.
So, it's obvious that i must support such solution.

Let's try again: Even if YPG is some kind of terrorists, it doesn't mean that turkish army can invade Syria like it's their backyard

[johhnyUA]

People who used to live in Anatolia were our ancestors.

As wee see above, from my links, ancient people from Anatolia can be considered as turks ancestors the same as chineese 

At second, about refugees: Do you think that war really help to stop their flow? I think you're a little wrong. In reality, war is cause of refugees. If you don't want to keep kurds, just send them all into Syria/Iraq from where did they arrive. I don't think that's more expensive than a war.

At third it's fun sentence about 5 millions of refugees in Ukraine  noone from refugees will arive into another country without strong social help for lazy people. In Ukraine unemployed gets 30 $ per month. In Germany they have 700 euro 

[Naida_BR]

Ehm, why not 120,000?)

We, as the Turks, never invade Syria's land. Why shall we want to invade Syria? We are trying to create a buffer zone that can only send Syrian refugees. Syrians emigrated to our country because Northern Syria was invaded by the YPG. After we beat the YPG from northern Syria, we will deal with Assad and we'll send the Syrians to their countries. This is not an invasion.

It is not your problem to set free the Northern Syria (which is already free but according to your words it isn't).
Syria is a different country from Turkey. Having said that, Syria is INVADED by you. The Northern Syria was living in peace until you started dropping bombs to them.

[Deathwing]

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

[Vispilio]

At the end of the day, the near east is probably the most ethnically mixed region in the world.

Turks have conquered these lands again and again throughout history, and established multiple sovereign entities on this geography, while some of the clans that are being discussed now in today's politics were up until recently virtually unheard of, and have been implanted to this region (eg Iraq) at the end of World War 1 deliberately by the allied powers (nations drawn on the desert sand with a British cane), so that the new Turkish Republic could not access the oil there and grow to be one of the leading powers of the world again...

The failing and utterly corrupt Erdogan regime finally understands that making allies with the medieval minded backwards nations of the Middle East cost them a tremendous opportunity in Iraq, and launched a late offensive in Syria that is ultimately pointless and gives no decisive advantage to the Turkish nation...

[Naida_BR]

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

Ceasefire was announced last week but there is still a lot of gunfire exchange happen between Turkish army and the Kurdish fighters.
The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland.

[Deathwing]

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

Ceasefire was announced last week but there is still a lot of gunfire exchange happen between Turkish army and the Kurdish fighters.
The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland.

"The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland." I would like for you to elaborate on this. It is true, however, is that the fight had still been going on. Some reports say that Kurds had underground tunnels where they've been doing hit and run attacks on the Turkish army for the last few days.

[Naida_BR]

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

Ceasefire was announced last week but there is still a lot of gunfire exchange happen between Turkish army and the Kurdish fighters.
The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland.

"The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland." I would like for you to elaborate on this. It is true, however, is that the fight had still been going on. Some reports say that Kurds had underground tunnels where they've been doing hit and run attacks on the Turkish army for the last few days.

It might be true that they have tunnels, it was their land for so many years and they are fighting ISIS at that place.
However, what would be the case of the Turkish army blocking refugee fleets and they let them to be massacred along with the fighters?
I don't cheer that they don't stop the ceasefire it is reprehensible for both sides.

[Deathwing]

A temporary ceasefire was announced an hour ago. According to the details, US acknowledges the border zone of Turkey and all YPG forces will withdraw from the declared safe zone area. Turkey will give 5 days to YPG to completely withdraw. The safezone will be maintained by Turkey to ensure safety of all Syrians and other minorities in the area without discrimination of any kind. (and all Syrians in Turkey will be moved to presumably Tal-Abyad and Ras-al-ain"

Ceasefire was announced last week but there is still a lot of gunfire exchange happen between Turkish army and the Kurdish fighters.
The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland.

"The worst part about that is that it is said that women and children are not allowed to leave the war zone. Turkish army has forbid those transfers of people to their mainland." I would like for you to elaborate on this. It is true, however, is that the fight had still been going on. Some reports say that Kurds had underground tunnels where they've been doing hit and run attacks on the Turkish army for the last few days.

It might be true that they have tunnels, it was their land for so many years and they are fighting ISIS at that place.
However, what would be the case of the Turkish army blocking refugee fleets and they let them to be massacred along with the fighters?
I don't cheer that they don't stop the ceasefire it is reprehensible for both sides.

I would really like some source lniks regarding how "Turkish Army is blocking the refugees attempting to run" if you are talking about people in Turkey going back to Syria, it makes sense. Because it's literally an actual warzone right now. Turkey's main goal has been to set up a safe zone so that each and every Syrian can go back to Syria.