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is it possible that the prize manager and the entire project crew including the developer, they work together and deliberately promote fraudulent projects?

I see how easy they are to erase red trust and promote fraudulent projects repeatedly?
Is this what is called a camouflage manager?

Man, theres definitally shady campaign managers, i have seen MANY scam accusations for managers over the years here.
im sure some of them work together to scam, yupp :(
These forums have pretty established trusted managers tho, in todays crypto scene i would suggest only working with those dudes

The forums hold history,so scammy mangers cant erase any red trust, and if they are a newer account on here, i would not trust them personally

I cannot pinpoint a particular manager with that accusation so far. I have been joining several campaigns in the past and most of them I can recall are failures. Bounty managers are also failures as well but I cannot accuse them of conniving with the project. But it is really possible. It can be made by scammers. In fact, that is the easier part. The hardest part is the creation of whitepapers, a reliable website, and so on to look like a good project. The promotion later on is easier.

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If it is an independent bounty manager I don't think he will, or the community will give him the red trust and flag his profile or even worst bounty hunters will not participate on bounty campaign that he manages, bounty manager that does this are those part of the team or the developers themselves.

Once a scammy manager is detected on here the account will be tagged with red trust and just because its easy for them to create new account i stay away from bounties from new accounts as well, right from day one on here there have been cases of such scams

It's hard to join already with High ranks account what more is on new accounts, for me as long as the bounty manager didn't promote scam project before or if they are known that they studied the market or project before hand then we can trust them, though they can't guaranteed project's success but the fact they do preliminary studies about the project as well they know the project ideas and being good in support even they are not part of the team is a +1 for me. Some bounty managers didn't even know the products they engaging with.

Speaking about the fraudulent project and campaign manager are working together, there is a possibility for them to do that because it happened before.
but once it found out it never been so easy to remove the negative trust unless he has proven his innocence.
yes this thing is called camouflage bounty manager, technically speaking most of the managers themselves come from the team and acting like one.

This is nothing new, this have been happening for a very long time, we have trusted bounty managers on here that takes no shit from anybody or even any developers, they are very strict with their job and they hate cheating, i like btcleddger, bubbalex and arteezy

There's always a darker side on the earth while the other side shines like a diamond! It's everywhere! The lack of credibility is actually killing the ICO market. Just because there are enough fraudulent projects available, the actual projects are not getting investments and attention they deserve!

But that's a dangerous side of the decentralized market. With no central authority, scammers don't think about getting a lash back and they continue their misdeeds with the help of fraud managers and promotional partners!

Sometimes yes. Bounty Manager working together with developer for promoting scam project but BM also can be a victim like another Bounty hunter. So it's back to our self again, for being careful before joining to any project. Due diligence is a must because everything can be happened on this section.

Remember that the manager also risking their reputation in managing project whether if it is fraud or successful projects. They also didn't know when until the survival of the project but they can smell if it is a fraud project if the documents are fake like Whitepaper, website and especially the team members.

That's the reason why those well known and reputable managers did not accept if the payment is their fancy token/coin. Because if the project can afford to spend their own money and paying bounty participants through Bitcoin, it means less scam happens.

I highly recommend if you join the bounty program choose those managers that already have a reputation in managing the campaign.
They know very well about the project they manage and they afraid to lose their reputations if they manage fraudulent projects.

Bounty Manager only manages the tasks that are offered, meaning not from the developer or team, professional bounty managers also never promote bounty fraud, if there is a BM promoting bounty then it is from the developer, I think with the name of the famous bounty manager always selection in promoting bounties if according to BM is fraudulent then they will not accept the offer, as Arteezy mostly promotes real bounties.

Arteezy have some bounty campaigns that didn't pay, Not all professional bounty manager can guarantee that there all project is legit and will not turn into scam.
More important thing to consider is the project itself, Check if there ANN thread here has a bad review from forum administrator or some concern BTT user then next step is to
do a thorough review about project whitepaper as well as team member.

It's not about the bounty manager is the main issue here but the project itself. If a scammy project with a good whitepaper
and ambition at the start decided to hire reputable bounty manager then decided to turn into scam later then that means that the project itself is the main factor for this kind of situation.

Really? can red trust be removed that easily? Especially because of reasons of fraud, unprofessional, incompetent, shady and untrustworthy in running a bounty. I do not think so.

Choosing a professional bounty manager is very important in choosing a bounty. The rules are made strictly, get rid of spammers and multi accounts that are often detrimental, so that even though bounty participants are not limited, they can still get an equivalent reward because multi accounts are kicked. Bounty hunters that are compatible must be selective in choosing projects, so scam risks can be avoided. However that doesn't mean the bounty manager can read the future, so don't just blame the bounty manager.

What do you think? This is the wild west here in crypto. People don't have to show their faces, and people don't ask to see their faces, their business or even their operations.

Everything is done online.

People who never did anything more than sales are suddenly branding themselves CEO.

People who only count stakes are called campaign managers.

People who use google are called content curators.

So what do you think?

The point is that responsible managers will never sacrifice their reputation just by promoting fraudulent projects. but that does not mean that all managers will not do what you mean.
(my advice is do some research)

Prize hunters will avoid BMs who have red trust.
yes maybe it is true that is called the camouflage manager.

Everything can happen. Even good bounty managers can conspire with rogue developers to reap profits from investor money. Since the crypto world is busy being talked about, since then, lies continue to occur. A person's nature can change just because of money, my brother. Only we are difficult to distinguish them now.

maybe but in my opinion not with the famous gift manager. I mean if a famous gift manager takes over a fraudulent project that will adversely affect the manager's reputation. and you must remember that the project fails and the fraud project is different.
the project failed: the funds did not reach the specified target or at worst did not reach the softcup target, the product did not function and the project was eventually delayed.
fraudulent project: funds have been collected but not operated for product development or what is often referred to as embezzlement of investor funds, shady developers and leave without a trace.

A manager who does this is basically a scammer, different from a manager who builds his work reputation from zero, he will not do anything stupid like this.

Yeah we can say that they are camouflage manager.
But, Please mention managers who have committed fraud can still continue to get the project as a bounty manager?
Because in my observation it will difficult for them to get project again as BM, when there is valid evidence BM involved in fraud project.

Why not and this is quite possible, how many times I have noticed this by myself and seen how this happens, but do not forget that no one is safe in the cryptocurrency sphere and in participating in a bounty company, it is very difficult to understand in some bounty companies that could happen such a situation, because this usually happens at the very end.

any project or crypto can occur at any time, including the prize manager ,. but I don't think a reputable gift manager will do such a thing or promote a fraud project, usually a fraud project is moderated by a gift manager who is a new member.

The manager disclaims responsibility to the bounty hunter community when the project is deceptive. They are irresponsible, not checking that project like! They just need money and deceive bounty hunters. The sad story here is that many people work for him despite managing many scam projects.

there is no protection for me, so I dare not mention him, he threatened my family, he has found my identity.
but let's see, soon the truth will be revealed.
and You will be surprised that he does not work alone, even he works with several other well-known managers.

Very true, we really can't trust anyone here. There are a lot of crooks and self proclaim people in this industry that's why we should be watchful. I believe that there are good people here to do business with, but sometimes its hard to distinguish or detect bad actors.

For sure why not? It is possible that bounty managers know that the project is fraud, but has already received a solid amount of money to promote it. In the most cases, bounty manager would say sorry and move on to next projects.

If I remember correctly, at the end of last year, there was a project called ETHvision, which was said to have a hard fork of ETH, and that would give reward to bounty hunters. In this project the bounty manager also worked with scammers, hundreds of hunter have been scammed.

Since most of the bounty managers are not fully investigating the project they are promoting, at the end they get red trust. Being a BM may seem easy, but it is actually a very risky business.

I think yes, but not many like that. Because I looked at the Services Board they made their own service announcements and in my opinion because they did this meant they were very serious about building a reputation on this forum. However, there are some managers who do not select and review their clients first, this is what causes the bounty manager to lose confidence. But this happened accidentally and purely because of the negligence of the bounty manager, not because he intended to commit fraud with his client.

Its even possible they are also the ones creating new dex for the projects they previously created so they can dump the tokens they created themselves in the dex as well. Its pretty obvious the project is a scam with fake members busted by the people here but the token was listed to a DEX. It can't be that coincidental.

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This is the hardest thing for you to be a bounty manager, because we can be among those who are penalized even though we are not part of the ICO group.

So bounty managers should also be careful about accepting jobs especially if they are not sure that this campaign is legit.

And of course if they do this the bounty will definitely change and many will join.

But we can't avoid being victimized especially since scammers can use the purchased account or even their own account to run a scam bounty campaign again.

yes I also agree with you, because being a bounty manager must be fully responsible for all the risks as well. so red trust is not an easy game, it's very risky for managers if they really intentionally promote fraud projects. but I am sure if the bounty manager is responsible it will not promote such a project.

This cannot be stopped, if they are talkin in private and having a private transaction basically, there's no one who can stop the manager from managing the scam campaign. What he will do is plain simple, "Even I didn't know," or "I will not knowingly advertise scam projects". In this phrases, he's already safe from bounty hunters and investors that he just committed a fraudulent misrepresentation. Though, the reputation of the manager will be affected by these kind of incidents.

There were many fraudulent campaign manager who intentionally made profit off scams. They were given the red trust they deserved. They knowingly were involved in scams.
There were also many of those that were not intentionally involved in scamming users but did promoted scams and got negative trust.
The negative trust game started conflict between the moderators leading to neutral trust to all of them.
And now it's upto users to identify the good managers and the bad managers and decide which projects or bounties are good on their own.

But there are also Bounty Managers who don't know if the project is a scam. From the beginning it was very solid and paid the Bounty Manager for the first payment, but then when indicated by the SCAM, the bounty manager would immediately stop it, even though the Bounty Manager received more payment. if the Bounty Manager earns red trust, there are indeed mistakes that they don't realize, but instead work together to promote SCAM projects continuously.

Private conversations can be hide and no one knows what's reality behind. OP's idea is happening in the dark, managers can easily denied that they are working with scam developers as they already assured to have some cut from the runaway funds. There's no obligations for them to admit anything especially if they
are conversing privately. We don't have any assurance to anything so best to continue with doing research and don't stop following what you think is potential
project to participate.

Yes, there are many bonus managers willing to cheat to make more money. Because of that, I only participate in the bonuses of reputable managers, yahoo62278 and Hhampuz are the 2 best managers I know.

But all these are hard to prove though.  It's just a classic he said she said unless there is a proof, a screenshot of the convo in telegram for the accusation to be proven.

Until then there will always be doubt that these bounty managers are also involve in the scam project. Some of them have already red trust like sinatrra12. He used to be well liked as far as I know but he must have been a victim as well.

sadly yes, it's possible , they make some agreement and with help fake accounts, bots , they running fake project with fake bounty campaign.
as if everything feels full , both on bounty participant, telegram group, their social media account.
and , well , after sale progress end, they are gone. or if they got caught before end, they running.

that's all possible. not only the team, developers, crew but for the participants involved too, including prize hunters. but I do not know for sure about the agreement, whether intentional or not only those who know. I am a bounty hunter who can only watch that.

with respect to the red trust cannot be erased like a chalk chalkboard, except with evidence. whether it's proof that they have an element of intention or not. In essence, strong evidence will answer that.

It is possible. With my experience so far I can tell you there are bounty manager that join dev to promote scam project and in case you dont know, there are caucus everywhere. You will understand what I am saying if you keep on making use of this platform well. Although there are some bounty manager that greedily end up promoting scam project due to offer they receive from dev team. This class of bounty managers is the most common now and I have learn not to trust any bounty manager. irrespective of their reputation.

Such a scenario is easily possible. Talking about the Bounty, it makes sense to participate in the projects of only those managers who take different companies and have been on the market for a long time. If you see a project that is new and provides its own manager, it is possible that this manager will be in a team with the developers, or he himself will be one of them. In addition, this is a bad sign meaning that the project does not have money to pay Bounty to the manager and they save.

No it is not easy. OP said that it's easy to erase red trust and hide your identity to promote fraudulent projects. Please explain this to me. Give me an example of red trusted managers who erased their trust and continue to scam people. You can report them in Scam accusations or Reputation if you know they are known scammers.

It's very easy to damage your account on this forum beyond repair.

There are bounty managers that keep promoting scam projects, but at the end, got flagged. Some of them can no longer cope with the system, they left because they have been exposed. The same will happen to others, as their schemes become evident before people. They are mostly concerned about what they want to gain and not because of those who participate in their projects.

It's 100 percent possible!
There is some bounty campaign that uses their own bitcointalk account and there are some who are buying high-rank account to use on their own project.
I have joined some scam projects and the effort is really a waste.

Those bounty mangers in most cases are being paid with large sum of bitcoin or ethereum for their services thus they wont bother whether the ICOs they are promoting is a scam or not, non payment of bounties is at the expenses of hunters who in spite of all odds still worked themselves tremendously in a bid to ensuring the success of the coin however their efforts is usually in vain due to bad eggs among cryptos world.

There were projects that chose to promote their projects on their own instead of hiring a well reputed manager. They were probably cut of budget and they just want to simply manage it on their own because a known campaign manager isn't that cheap.

Because if that reputed manager already smells that there's something fishy with the project, he will not take a 2nd thought of leaving the project. He don't want to cause trouble and put stain to his reputation.

Yes but they might not necessarily be independent. I don't think most scam cases where an independent bounty manager who has grown through the ranks of Bitcointalk connived with the developer to scam the cryptocurrency community is easily plausible . What you usually see is a case of the bounty campaign being managed by a member of the team. That's more reason why you should endeavour to participate in bounties hosted by reputable managers like Hhampuz and co. The rest, you can keep an open mind while doing them

Defintely... The crypto ecosystem is made up of a lot of greedy people who don't really care about their actions and how it feels to lose money for free. There are a lot fraudulent projects on this forum managed by such people. But the sad thing is that, it is quite difficult to catch such managers here. Such an investor, you just have to research more about a project before even thinking about investing into it.

You should always check the bounty manager profile in order to make sure he is legit. Also to have extra confidence please visit this thread in order to see the most trusted managers here on bitcointalk when it comes to bounties --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712)

Another advice would be that if the manager who is doing the bounty is the official account of the project they usually are legit but you never know 100% as I saw so many scams when the manager ran away with the funds. Also its the project fault to not personally handle the bounties tokens once the manager provides the sheet with the stakes.

of course, I also have experience with one deceptive project. The bounty manager said one of the teams had run off with the money and the participants didn't get any reward at all. do they work together? maybe yes, maybe not. if so, surely the money is divided and how is there a reason to hide it all.

another one, the reason of the bounty manager is that the market continues to fall and the team doesn't want to launch tokens to the market and eventually the project dies.

Actually can happened. That's why joining a prominent and known Manager is an added value on the legality of the project too. Many projects have created their account here for the purpose of posting the ann and bounty thread but sometime its also okay since their manager comes from the team and can directly contact with them. Too bad if youre campaign that has joined is not good. Just do a thorough research so this wouldn't happened.

Fraud bounty managers appear around here. A project without a trust worthy manager couldn't gather enough advertiser here. Usually, specially those who are in this community for a long time and experienced different projects with different managers tend to be strict on choosing what project and who's manager they will be working with.

It is sad to know that who must be our partner in the long run is one of the reason of us being the victim. Nevertheless, trusted bounty manager is one of the key for a successful project.

Any bounty manager that scam bounty hunters in such a way should be mentioned on here and he/she will be dealt with, if you have any please drop name and let the investigation begins, the moment we start taking steps about it the better

I think you are too deep and too negative thinking, because if a bounty manager does that it will damage his reputation, you can see a bounty campaign manager like yahoo62278 who is currently still active in the service forum he gives very professional handling and doesn't even want to participate in his team directly because it can make his name damaged, he prefers to set up a bounty campaign or be a participant, not to work together directly because in my opinion it is very terrible.

I don't think it will come this way, only your account might be in trouble especially if you can't provide valid evidence about this case.

If you believe about this just calm down, but sometimes the truth must be said don't just wait to revealed.

Not only possible but it's always happening right now. Remember the project is also always using the help from the managers and the majority of them are using their own hand to manage their bounty (include scammer) too
Any proof about scam accusation that has already proven will be achieved and it can't be erased and look at some bounty managers right now that have already tagged due to the scam accusation that has already created by the participants.
It's not a camouflage manager but it's a collision between managers and scam projects. Some trusted bounty managers have even managed the scam bounties.
The only reputable manager is only accepting a good campaign and try to do research before trying to run a campaign.

In my opinion, not all prize managers are intentionally promoting fraud projects, sometimes the concept offered to gift managers by the project crew is more convincing, but behind it, all is just engineering. this should require decisive action on fraudsters as well as managers who promote fraud projects.

I have seen this several times. But to prove this is almost impossible. it’s just our assumption that they were acting together. if there is no personal correspondence, then there is no evidence

Have been into several campaigns that is a scam. I think it is the campaign managers and bounty hunter as well to review a project before managing or joining a campaign. Some bounty managers don't actually care if the project is a scam or not as long as they are paid, and we can't actually tell if they are together with the team or not.

There are a lot of shady managers, developers and teams who successfully run scam projects and along with running these projects they also make fraudulent claims regarding the achievements of these projects. I think after that ico wave many managers were given a red trust for promoting such projects however I highly doubt that any of them has been able to erase their red trust because that is almost impossible without proving your innocence. So it's upto the people who repeatedly trust the red trusted teams and developers on such projects.

that is possible if the manager does not have the reputation and or team of the project itself, but if the manager is a trusted member in the forum then it is unlikely that the manager will do camouflage because after all the famous manager has at least a good track before he is willing to promote and manage campaigns made

Red trust get by bounty campaign manager because they promote scam campaign or they promote campaign bounty but not distribution reward for bounty campaign participants, I find with many red trust bounty campaign manager because they promote with scam bounty campaign, they promote scam project like not listed on exchange market, promote campaign use fake team and white paper.

ok, no advertising, but if you know some trusted managers, can you share their nicks?
I think it will be really important and useful information for quite a lot forum members
heck, for me as well!

from my side I can mention then manger I worked with : Sylon
can recommend him

but how can a bounty manager know from the early beginning what plans the team has? a bounty manager can only make the same analysis as every bounty hunter. and he is also not safe from scam

i do not know about exactly how bounty manager going to work with a project but hawk network has best bounty management team they doing great job with their telegram accounts, you can also check about that get more idea about hawk network with below link https://twitter.com/Hawk_HKC/status/1184768244802052096  

If you are a trusted bounty manager here on the forum then its your duty to make a proper research on the project before you promote and manage it. However, sometimes it is inevitable that a bounty manager will make a mistake on their judgement. For me I can understand them if they make a mistake once or twice as long as they have an acceptable reason but managing a scam project multiple times is another issue.

Scammers are creative and exist everywhere, so it will be natural that there are groups that join into more elaborate scams...
But there are also times in which the bounty manager also gets scammed along with everyone else
There are trusted bounty managers that work in bitcointalk for a long time and have good feedback from hunters... with so many scams lately, I only look for bounties from these guys

It could actually be possible because right now, I think the managers and everyone is just about the money and the mangers are not so much concerned about the project quality itself, but the very fatal mistakes that they are making is that, they will eventually not get anything to manage again in future when everyone including the new investors eventually remove their mind from these new projects right now to the older ones.

The older project no longer needs them and it seems like they are still the best to invest in now because they have very solid team as at the time that they were established. Mangers needs to be very careful in the way that they handle projects or they advertise a certain project to the public so that this scam can go down and stop tarnishing the name of ICO.

Anything is possible especially if we are talking about money, there are plenty of cases like these already. I am not really particular with the right term to use either it is a camouflage manager or not.

That is why it is better to join a campaign that is being handled by professional and well known bounty manager in this forum so we can at least lessen the chance to fall in this kind of scheme.

it might be said that, but there is also a trusted bounty manager. the position of the bounty manager is quite crucial in project development. especially if you have been hit by red trust. it all depends on the bounty participant, if you have experienced something like that, we just have to be able to choose the bounty that really runs.

there is only a handful of bounty managers for whom i would put my hand in the fire.
the rest acts as they like. i find it very bad with a BM or teams of it for each project
individual users in the forum and own telegram channels. so it is virtually impossible
to know what you get involved. unfortunately, the often nasty surprise comes too late. ::)
there BM and project hand in hand the abyss go.

not only possible but already happening right now and they are intentionally promote scam project, they create fake profiles, copying whitepaper and worse running investors money

If they do have a red trust they should not be taken down or even if they have a flag, I don't know who among these bounty manager has a red trust and easily erase the red when it should not be unless the issue has been resolve.

of course not all, you should not assume the same everything, there are some managers who really do not know the intentions of the project developer and also we cannot blame them all on the manager even though there are some who do work together.

There are reputable bounty managers just like yahoo, he's my all time favorite and I doubt if there is any other manager like him in this forum, if we are going to vote, for sure majority will vote for him and would like to manage every campaign here. But, of course, we have a lot of bounty managers here who are dishonest and scammers, so choose wisely.

There's no way to generalize everything, but this kind of events is possible though not all the managers but for some who are also greed like the scam developers, they can easily fabricate everything and make it looks real. Money is everything and also the chance that same people are behind the project especially those managers who doesn't have any reputations inside the forum.

It's not hard for them to join the developers anyhow up to  whichever way they will take the project.

This kind of situation need a serious examination and confirmation before we can actually decide a camouflage manager because there is a situation where the bounty managers are not aware of the change information made by the team beforehand while we also have a situation where the manager camouflage. Besides, there is situation where the team themselves buy a high ranking account to act as the campaign manager just to camouflage.

Not all bounty managers are scam practitioners, we have very good bounty managers on this forum that takes bounty job very seriously and they stand by their words as well, i think once you fall victim to a bad project its your call to learn from your mistake to advance

I have never seen any account have a red trust and delete that trust again. The person who gives credence is someone else, who has the right to delete others.

Because of the many BM now with low rank though. Of course you have to be careful, it's better to participate to BM who have a lot of experience.

there are a lot of bounty campaigns but very few good bounty managers. therefore, if people have been working in this market for a long time - they take risks and participate in the bounty not always with reliable managers

It's possible that o see such scenario but it's difficult as well. Such managers are aware of the forums red trust I'm sure they won't want to ruin their reputation as a result of some quick cash they can make with developers through scamming.

Well some managers has a questionable behavior  towards the bounty they manage to the point that you can't help but wonder what exactly is the reason why they behave the way they do, i have seen a bm defending a project he/she manage so hard like he is part of the team, because the participants where complaining about the payment procedure and the sudden dump in price even though bounty rewards are yet to be fully distributed, he took every question ask so personal, and that makes me wonder :-\.

I prefer managers with higher rank because of their track record and trust on their profile. The high rank members have lots to lose with scam projects. we are all faced with the challenge of identifying genuine projects and team. some teams can even change their mode of operation after crowdsale to swindle investors and traders. Bounty managers are getting involved in to many projects, they care only on their reward and neglect the verification of the projects.

Of course it is possible and there are many such projects. Take a look at the section of the forum dedicated to accusations of fraud, see how there are many projects that are prepared from scratch by people to deceive investors and bounty hunters. Therefore, before participating in an investment or bounty campaign, you need to study the project team very carefully.

its easy to create what you said like whitepaper, site, etc. but i ever join some project that have same manager. and in every campaign he managed, its always scam. nó one of them paid bounty. i dont know why it can be happen, cause of he is no research about the campaign or he is the part of scammer.

The existing problems in the bounty management make the arguments more constructive and stronger. The developers should not be able to change the term and conditions of the bounty campaign after the end of the ICO/IEO. Ending the agreement with the bounty participants can take the small piece from the reputation but the team doesn't care about the deceived bounty hunters and the reputation during the listing on the exchanges.

I cannot tell that yet about the manager and the other in one project that they are working together. Because i do not know if is true or not but as you said maybe this will be a time they are cooperating its other. And well if that happen so in this forum this will make have so many scam project be happen no one can be participate or invested on that kind of project.

That's because the team only cares only their self and money that they could probably get but not thinking as a whole that could help in order their project will succeed. This how greediness works with them,  most bounty hunters had fooled again.

What is difficult is that and some traders never anticipate such common change. In some bounty, OP has stated it already for they can change any time depending on the market but some bounty hunters just probably never mind it.

Managers are hired or assigned to oversee the activities of bounty hunters. Whereas, sometimes the team might decide to also extend the work and assign the distribution of tokens. Owning to this assignment, bounty hunters still suffer the  untrustworthiness of some managers. There we're situations where nothing was given to hunters.

Even during ICO's peak in 2017, there are a lot of shady projects already, but the only problem is that individuals didn't bother to look at the trust of any bounty managers because money is flowing in the market, lots of irrational buyers who don't give a damn about pouring their hard earn $$$ in the market because they just wanted to ride the train that time.


They colluding, simply as that and promote fraudulent projects, scam it's investors, doesn't pay the bounty hunters, then the cycle repeats for some unscrupulous managers and projects.

Looking history of bounty campaign manager is most important, we know how many success bounty and scam project running by him. I think success or not is not problem if they sent payment for bounty campaign according how the first time he said on bounty campaign tread.

That's why if youre joining a campaign. Consider first a good bounty manager. Well its an added advantage on youre part to have less worry since new projects that use typical new account is really worrisome. Why? They had nothing to lose, unlike the high rank member here who promotes or do management o n some campaign, since they can lose credibility once their project is proven a scam one.

Most managers bounty they only see the money they earn sometimes they do not see the project going well or not. now received many gifts from the project manager is not clear and Ends fraud. many scams ICO and harm investors. Managers should look at the details so that the bounty hunter bounty and investors are not harmed.

Can you name those bounty manager, these bounty manager that has red trust and flag should not be trusted to manage any campaign and besides their red trust cannot easily be taken down just like that until they address the issue and ask those who gave them red trust to take that away, it will stay and will not expire.

Im just worrying about those new account manage some new bounty campaign and they are lot them are now in this forum.
They are not afraid of banned because of the account are using for, So thats why the big problem on us a bounty hunter we are participate a bounty campaign. Must better the high rank account be manage some bounties but we cant tell yet cause some of bounty campaign are not succeed or not totally pay us. We all know this will be happen so we need to ready on what it comes.

Yes this is happening for the last two years of me being a bounty hunter, i forgot the name of those fraud bounty managers but they are already blacklisted on me. For now i only participate on trusted and reputable bounty managers to make my efforts worth it.

Well, its normal because they can get more if the project has someone to manage coming from them, they can easily run and they don't even need to pay for other bounty campaign manager, all the money invested in their project will be divided only to those scam parties.

Its not new anymore and some of these managers already had scam accusation for their work. About red trust if it was given because of you're found guilty I think it will be hard for the manager to regain back his reputation as its already damage. Usually managers with newbie status are likely part of the team, so it will be easy for them to escape once they accumulate enough money to the people who trust their project.

Experience bounty campaign manager will know which one best ICO for promoting, we find with many experience bounty manager but they not trusted, did you remember with Harmony bounty campaign? until campaign ended last three months bounty campaign participants do not received the payment reward, I think harmony team have distribution bounty campaign reward for bounty manager, just they delay for distributing or not sent yet, just give reason payment not distribution.

yes it could have happened because lately a lot of bounties / gifts are deceiving bounty hunters, maybe this is in my opinion, the manager's pay is higher than his previous payment so he ventured for money not for the success of his cryptocurrency (CMIIW).

I would call it a 'conspiracy' in the blockchain world. The worst thing is the lack of law enforcement, which is firmly and clearly against them. Manager bounty despite committing fraud, they still given trust to handle legit projects.

Since you detected the bad bounty managers i hope you get intouch with admins on here to deal with such bounty managers? the more we eradicate them the better, its really painful to work for others and get nothing in return, bounty hunters are humans too we have to fight for our rights

I think this camouflage has been arranged by their own team and it's been a long time (i've aware it). this one of the reason why many projects do not dare to hire a professional bounty manager.

maybe, but we don't know for sure the truth behind it all.
it's just that I know that old managers in charge may not take action at the expense of their trust in the public. but in most cases are beginner accounts that often promote junk projects and get a lot of red trust.

Yeah that explains it, we have good reputable bounty managers in this forum that will do a very good job if hired but some project would rather go for a newbie to handle their project, since this are the kind of bm that can easily manipulate they rather go for them than hire a reputable manager, this is what most project do this days.

Yeah why not ? The manager can manage the campaign without care about the project, as long as they get paid.
That's why we need to join campaign only from trusted manager in this forum.
A good manager should be able to detect scam project and refusing the job from them, accept only good and real project.

That is not a new thing in ICO projects back in the days. Although, there are lots of managers who are deceived as well as the bounty hunters just to get to the real investors.

That is greediness and this is a reason why (some) people turn bad because of money. Some bounty manager does their job diligently but the others are not( more often). There are countless bounty campaigns who failed because of BM doings, broken promises and untrusted persons but supposedly only he/she is the one to blame but also the project owners and developers since they are the ones holding the funds.

If this is true , then it will be not good for the state of the bounty hunting as well as the whole industry of crypto. And if they accept money from dev team or owner of the scam project, it is possible that all they care about is money not this industry. It will very unfortunate and difficult to find a legit one to promote and it might cause a drop in the number of bounty hunters because they might lose interest of the job.

This is a very serious accusation but I think there are more good managers here than the other kind. Also, it will be too obvious if they do recruiting people for projects and each time, it will fail or end up as a scam. It is also important to know that some projects are not scam just because they failed hard when they tried to compete in tr market. All we can do right now is to be careful with ourselves and choose wisely which project are you do.

It's hard to actually affirm the fact that the project manager could be conniving together to support a fraudulent project. Its sincerely difficult to say that. I just think some projects find it hard to reach their soft cap. Maybe that's why many of them fold up, bringing disappointment to investors and those involved in bounty campaigns

but we have to sort out failed projects and project scams. we cannot equate it, because indeed a failed project cannot be said to be deceptive. they returned investors' money because of a lack of capital running a platform. and it's better than those who insist on running a project with little money and then run.

from cases like this, we often see it happen. not even investors are victims. Bounty managers and bounty campaign participants are also severely disadvantaged. especially if there are projects that do not use bounty managers with good reputation, or bounty managers from the project team themselves. I would not trust a project like that.

softcap is not achieved through no fault of the manager, the manager has his own field. so in connection with what you mean (softcup) is not achieved because project funds or investor funds are not enough to develop further project products, such as poor marketing strategies and cannot attract market investment.

It's hard to say, but we should only participate in bounty campaigns with known bounty campaign managers.
Bounty managers are not at fault here, they should not be accused without proof.
Even reputable bounty managers can become a victim of a scam project. Bounty managers are just doing their job to manage the bounty campaign and if the project turns out to be a scam, it is not their responsibility to face all the blame from bounty participants.

Somehow we need to see the past experiences of the bounty managers if they accepts scam projects before, know that failed projects and scam projects are different, I still prefer to join in bounties that also researched by the bou ty manager does they know how to explain the projects product and can explained well why the project failed maybe due only to market performance now and fear from investors.

I don't think that is a good idea. If somebody has his/her failure in the past can't just simply mirror him/her back again in the present time. Of course, they will change for somehow they realize that they were wrong. It is not a measure of someone or a person unless they'll often do it and certainly never change. For I am a bounty hunter before, I'd never look into that but instead, to look deeper and see the right things that this BM had made.

Any thing is possible when it comes to making money, do not be surprised if a bounty project and the project team are in conjunction to scam people, it can happen, research will only safe you from not well planned scam projects

research alone is not enough to save you from fraud projects, there is no effective way to overcome the problem of fraud projects. You can see that many developers have revolutionized their projects to make them look valid, including projects that have a good plan in accordance with their Roadmap information but apparently end up with fraud. the most effective way to save you 100% or you will not experience a loss is that you do not need to be involved in it.

There is a higher chance that scam managers of ICO campaigns are account bought by scammers.

In my opinion bounty managers should be loyal to their service so they say "they are not part of this ICO campaign" I see this constantly in bounty threads of campaign managers. Because their names will be ruined if they become part of such projects.
So now the only remaining campaign managers are those who do not acceft project that they know is a potential ICO scam.

Is there any real cases like this? Can you name a certain campaign with a scenario like a project buying an account to become bounty manager of their own project?

Well, as for me,
I don't think that there are some cases like this. There is no bounty manager who will sell his account in exchange for money. He will think his own career than thinking of the amount of money he might receive for selling his account.

Maybe possible with many bounty campaign manager working to scam investor with fake bounty campaign, first bounty campaign look normal like usually which other bounty campaign, after reach many investor and their coin sold out to public they will playing drama how to delay and listing with lower price on exchange, bounty campaign manager get higher fees because can interested with many investor.

Maybe a new bounty manager could be suspected of working together to create a scam project. But for Bounty Managers who have been on this forum for a long time, the chances are very small, unless they get a large reward. Managers who have long experience will not do that. If the senior bounty manager knows that the project is a scam, it will be locked and announced in a thread that the bounty is a scam.

Camouflage managers and original managers can be distinguished, from the quality of posts and experience in the portfolio owned.

We have two kinds of bounty manager here, the independent one, who will protect his reputation in this forum, and the second manager, which is part of the project, I doubt the first bounty manager will connive because he has a reputation and business to protect, not unless he is bought and throw away his reputation here.
The second manager will likely connive because he is part of the project and he'll do anything that the main developers ask him to do.

There are a lot of such managers and often they just combine scam projects and good ones. There is such a group Wapinter. Here managers of this company are boors and laymen in the business and plus to everything they can deceive very often the bounty hunters.

It is true that so many project dont turn out as expected; not being able to meet up with their promises, thereby disappointing bounty hunters, investors or traders.  But I can not affirm the fact that the entire project crew including the developer connive together to scam people. That is a very huge accusation.  Notwithstanding,  one just has to be careful while choosing projects