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Beautiful video  ;)

http://youtu.be/TZ0XcvHgpTc



EDIT: The store in question:

http://centraltexasgunworks.com/

http://centraltexasgunworks.com/latest-news/bitcoin

"This isnt about you clearing a building as a one man army Haha!  This is about your personal protection, and the protection of your family"

Right ...

That's why they have semi automatic assault rifles that can fire 60 rounds per minute.

Because as we all know, a minimum of 60 bullets sprayed all over the room is necessary to stop a burglar.

-B-

If the dollar did ever collapse, there would be absolute chaos.  I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a major town or city, put it that way.  An automatic assault rifle really wouldn't be a bad idea for someone living in LA. :)

Well, in the state of CA where I am, the state says I can only legally buy 10 round mags yet criminals have easy access to 100 roung mags.

Who the the F are you, or anyone else to tell me to be at a disadvantage, because I follow the laws?

Go ahead and wait to die while calling 911, I will defend my family.

Stop feigning idiocy.

I prefer a select fire assault rifle that can let loose 18 rounds per second. If it is good enough for the SWAT teams, it is good enough for me.

Very cool :) I do not like guns but  I love support for BTC

♥BTC

How many bullets does a criminal need, legally, when attacking your family? 5? 10?

+1    Gotta love it.   When the zombies come you'll wish you were armed, we are!

.50 cal sniper, in case the burglars come in an apc.

Well if shit ever hits the fan, which I believe it will sooner than later, you are going to need the firepower. Also, criminals don't care about the law, so whats to say he doesn't have a lot more ammo than you do, or perhaps there is more than one.  Criminals are arming themselves to the max while law abiding citizens are supposed to have access to very little comparatively.  This is especially true in Canada.

Multiple permit-ignoring heavily-armed criminals stand no chance against a properly held pistol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72RqpItxd8M

It is very cool, but I hope there will be no criminals connected with btc and guns after it

Never going to happen.  Just like everything that is considered currency. The criminal element will always be tied to it.

Heh yee prepare for zombie waves :) All collect bitcoin, will be vary useful.
Reg.

This is awesome.  Hopefully this is a trend, because if I could use bitcoins to buy guns, ammo, and accessories I'd actually be able to spend them on something other than more bit coin related items. 
Anyone have a link for this guys online store?  I cannot see if he has one and would like to see his prices.


Instead of commenting on how this is good for the community you post absurd statements trying to impose your irrational beliefs on everyone.  Next time I hear about the home defense case where some person randomly fired 60 bullets around his home, I will let you know.

Well we know who you are:     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

That is great. It is a good incentive for other shops if sales grow because of the adoption of Bitcoin.

Off topic:

Devil's advocate:
Are guns really necessary? A lot of countries (mostly European ones) have much stricter rules on fire arms, and are doing just fine.
Or have even better statistics on criminal, drugs, and accidents related incidents.
Does the USA have such fundamental differences with other countries?

Whether or not you think people should have guns, you need to read up on the LA riots or Katrina Hurricane when the Government was not there to help and protect the people. What ever you do you will need a plan, because you will be completely on your own. And it will not make any difference if you beg for help, or demand help, nobody is coming to take care of you.   

Switch off your irony detectors for a few seconds, it might break otherwise.

My first thought was: Wow, that's something the world has been waiting for!

You can safely turn back on your various detectors. :)
I am an European citizen and live in a country where I'm glad that access to guns is far more restricted and regulated than in America. It's my personal opinion and I don't agree with American culture to allow relatively easy access to guns for virtually everyone. I don't blame you for this. It just feels scary for me.

Sure, we have crime and people get shot here, too. I don't know exactly if more or less, it surely depends where you live, both in Europe or America.

But here in my capital town I feel more safe to know that if someone's freaking out, he doesn't need to just open the drawer an pull out some guns and automatic stuff. Some people and criminals have weapons, fortunately they are scarce here and I'm happy with that.

I probably am exaggerating things a bit, so take it with a grain of salt...

Peace!


But still interesting that his selling did grow because of Bitcoin and he had chosen to add it to his online shop. Unfortunately this interesting topic was not much elaborated further...

So everything that's unnecessary should be illegal? Who gets to decide what's unnecessary? Thankfully I live in a country where the population doesn't think that criminals should have better access to weapons than law-abiding citizens.


To answer your last question, yes. The right to gun ownership in the states is based on principle, not utilitarianism, pragmatism, or statistics. It's not about how many people get shot or whether certain gun types are "necessary", it's about your fundamental, inherent right to defend yourself, your community, and your country.

1. There are places with strict gun control laws and high crime rates, and places without.  There is no connection between just looking at something such as that, as it does not count in other variables.  (example us cities, strict gun control, high crime, but I doubt the relationship is solely caused by that)
2. Look at actual murder statistics from the fbi, I had them all out for you but it timed me out :(  You will see that both rifles and shotguns (all rifles and shotguns, legal, illegal, "assault," or bolt action) are both responsible for less deaths than, knives, hands and feet, and blunt objects.  Yet gun control advocates live to stop people form owning a semi auto rifle.
3. The same reports show that handguns are the most used weapon (same legal, illegal rules apply, handguns also have by far the strictest restrictions about them, and are the most difficult to legally obtain.)  Why do you think handguns, knives, hands and feet, and blunt objects, reign supreme as murder weapons?  It is because the majority of crimes are perpetrated by criminals with a need to conceal their weapons.  But, people love the media and tv, and think that gangsters are going up to houses and plowing them down with fucking mininguns.
4. Moral panic, in the US it is just smart politics to take a tragedy, use it, piss on people's rights, and then bam your in.  Drugs, guns, drinking and driving, cigarettes, cell phones, motorcycles, wearing a life vest, you name it.  Someone will take an event and manipulate it. 

Bitcoin faces the same irrational attacks, because it has been used for numerous illegal activities (including purchasing illegal firearms btw.)
You can be a dumb bastard and think bitcoin causes these crimes, or you can realize it was people causing them. 

 

I believe this is the store. I should have included it in post #1.

http://centraltexasgunworks.com/

what are guns for?  don't we already have things called restaurants

What Happened to Chicago’s Murder Rate After Illinois Upheld Concealed Carry and Why it Matters

In July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958.

Via ABC-affiliate Eye Witness News in the Windy City:

The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9 percent drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to a statement from Chicago Police.

There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively, according to police statistics.

Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25 percent from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months.

Coincidence? Hard to say. And too early to tell. Although, I doubt that the anti-gun crowd is celebrating the good news.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/126664-coincidence-illinois-enacts-concealed-carry-law-chicago-murder-rate-plummets-immediately/

What are armed cops for? Don't we have things called Chihuahuas?

  

The ones who call for somebody else to regulate other people are the biggest cowards, imo.

But if SHTF, bullets will be extinct in about 30 days...then only the ones with old school knowledge of how to DIY bullets will make a killing.

Pun intended.

SOmetimes it is, if you can't shoot worth a shit. You'll be wishing you had 61.

Yes.

See in other countries whose governments are at least rational, fair and sane and treat their citizens with some level of respect, they can ban guns and everyone will be cool with it. But the US government are a bunch of greedy psychopaths and short of a revolution (either bloody or digitally), the people recognize a real threat.

The government has oppressed, marginalized and criminalized basic human rights behind a veil of "let's not call each other names" bullshit. Our court systems are corrupt, prosecutors and cops on the take. Even have stupid court cases where kids playing cops and robbers and making a gun shape with their hands are able to be expelled from school.

This government literally generates laws out of fecal matter, everytime one of them takes a shit, there's another law...to the point where we're all criminals in some form or another at this moment. They've made it next to impossible for people to just earn a living, pay their way, so supplemental options that pay far better end up enticing people. Instead of spending money for rehabilitation or treatment centers, this government has decided commercial prison system is more lucrative - just lock them up, get paid. There is not a non corrupt police station anywhere in this country, guaranteed. They are all 100% corrupt - and the cops who aren't corrupt just facilitate it by looking the other way so they don't break the blue wall.

It's ugly underneath the reality tv shows - that are the 21st century adaptation of The Running Man vs The Hunger Games. Entertainment for the elite psychopaths who got wealthy by ripping off the citizens...and keeping most of them too dumbed down to realize they've been victimized. (See Honey Boo Boo)

Real illustration - where we used to live, Halloween has basically been wiped out except for the mall nonsense by 4pm, and my youngest son who loves Halloween decided to try an inspire the neighborhood we lived in to decorate for Halloween. He got typewriter paper and drew all sorts of spooky Halloween scenes with zombies and monsters and gore and all that, and passed them around to every house on a couple of blocks.

I was proud.

Then, I shit you not, two cops showed up to give me shit that someone called the police because they received terroristic threats - holding up several of the Halloween pics my son had put on people's doors. They were absolutely dead seriously on the verge of citing me with something but they really - as normal people outside the uniform - couldn't quite bring themselves to follow through. They did decide to "scold" (fear monger) my son until I asked if they intended on arresting him. They said no, I said then get lost and closed the door.

So this kind of shit in the USA goes on all the time, worse than that of course, and because the political agenda has basically divided this country into the wealthy elite and fuck everyone who isn't, the "everyone who isn't" has to go about things in ways that aren't necessarily wrong or immoral but are absolutely criminal as far as the law goes.

So the government might try to ban guns and shoot up a school and blame it on an antigovernment sort to make the point, but the day it tries is the day there's a bloody violent revolution...because people know exactly what would happen if we turned over the guns.

It's not an issue here so much of the common sense rational approach. It's pure self defense FROM a government and its enforcers that are out of control...and one day, some cop is going to nazi out to the wrong person and a shit storm is going to explode. It's a high tension topic in America.

If the GOVERNMENT was gone, the people would get along pretty well with one another generally speaking. It's the government/media bs that keeps the divisiveness going...and pandering to religious retardation. They don't want to educate the religitards because they can exploit them come election time... ::)

If more stores accepted Bitcoin then their sales would go up, especially service-related products.

Nah, don't need more than five rounds of double00 buckshot in my shotgun.  If there are more than five armed intruders I wouldn't survive no matter how many rounds/guns I stockpile.  I don't delude myself, and I don't have the money either to buy a bunch of stuff I wouldn't have time to use anyway.

Most times, I just grab my 3 foot wrecking bar I got from Lowes and my trusty hound to inspect bumps in the night.

Men... hmph

I'd fake like I'm totally cool with them being there and offer them a nice cup of tea...


Laced with arsenic  ;D

Ah, the woman's weapon of choice.  POISON

They don't like getting messy with death.

Who's keeping track of how many bullets or guns you buy? I think I've got about 10,000 spread all over several cities here where I live. You know, just in case.

Tons of Americans agree with you, they just aren't as Loud as the gun people.

Or willing to listen to facts, like increased gun control does not equate to lower crime rates.  See Chicago as an example where murder rates have declined since citizens have been allowed to conceal carry.

This particular store also has a Robocoin Bitcoin ATM in the lobby. There is always plenty of free parking outside. It is my favorite bitcoin ATM in Austin - where we have two others downtown where parking is not often convenient.

I am not a gun enthusiast, but I love this store. I will be going there in the morning to buy more coin.

I'm not going to argue with you, I just wanted the guy to know we're not all gun nuts in this country, that's all. Us rational Americans get a bad rap because of the NRA/Ted Nugent type people.

That's for mowing down hordes of walkers, biters, skin-eaters.

This is great to see how fast bitcoin is spreading. I remember when I first found Bitcoin a few years ago. I thought that the non-online world would just laugh at us. But i'm glad to see it quickly spreading...just wish I didn't cash out when it was only around $100 :/

What is the history of European countries invading and killing each other?  

What does this photo mean to you?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Kiev_Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg/220px-Kiev_Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_%281942%29.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

Stalin's Gun Control Methods Worked Remember Your History Or Be Doomed To Repeat It !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1aYxCzepI

what is more dangerous?  a gun or a child porn video

Child porn featuring children with guns?

Which one would you have on you all the time?

child porn.  obviously.  i want to have the ability to have anyone arrested i want

Yes. US street culture is simply very aggressive. Lots of US guys seem to think being tough and uncompromising is something admirable. When a tough and uncompromising character meets another tough and uncompromising character aggression is often a result. If there are weapons around they will be used and a gun is a very effective weapon. Also if a gun is used in a robbery or a house breaking then logically someone is more likely to be shot and because bullets do a lot of damage they will be more likely to die - as opposed to someone who has been beaten with fists.

Fundamentally your violence problems are cultural. There are countries in Europe with high levels of gun ownership but they do not have the violence on their streets or gun deaths that you have in the US. Guns are not really the problem. BUT, while you still have an aggressive cultural character, having guns freely available does make your society far far more dangerous for everyone.

You need to become less aggressive and take the guns off the criminals. There is your solution. So do you do that by opening another gun shop? Won't these guns actually end up in the hands of the criminals? Every single gun on the streets was originally made and sold legally wasn't it??

Exactly! Just try getting bloody brain matter out of the carpets and drapes...it's a bitch. ;D

Possession and distributing child porn is a crime in any occasion. Not so with a gun on you. but if that is your personal taste well...

Child porn harms the children in the porn, full stop.
Guns save innocent victims many times more than they are used in criminal aggression, where there is less "gun control" to punish only innocents for using them/keeping them/bearing them in self-defense. Reject all government statistics and non-debunked/retracted peer reviewed research showing this, and you incriminate yourself.

I want one of those.

http://centraltexasgunworks.com/gunsales/inventory/pioneer-arms-ak-47-sporter-wood-stock

It feels scary to you simply due the fact, my assumption here, that you have never been around guns or ever used them.  Like many people my wife had never been around guns, and once she used one and became trained on how to properly protect herself using one she lost that fear.  A gun is a tool, plain and simple. 

A gun is a great equalizer.  In Louisville, Kentucky there have been roaming mobs of 200 + intercity teens running wild, and hurting all kinds of people.  The only chance you would have in a situation like this would be a gun.  Your only hope of keeping them away would be their fear of your gun.  Several people recently have been injured by these mobs, and I for one will not be victim to this type of act.  You cannot always rely on someone else to keep you safe, ie police, because they cannot be everywhere at once. 

is there like a linear, quadratic chart of the harm done.  cause i assumes it gets smaller the closer you are to 16

Now you can order your freedom, have it supersized, and pay with a decentralized currency? My logic doesn't comprehend  :)

I was thinking - why you need a gun if you do not want to shoot anyone? :)

I will never buy a gun, just for fun it is too expensive for me ...

But I do not live in US so maybe I have different way of thinking about guns. :)

Ok for all of you not familiar with the way fire arms are purchased in the US. It goes like this...

Customer comes in and picked out what he/she likes. If its a Semi auto Handgun or rifle (barrel over 16 inches or longer) or shotgun (over 18 inches and longer). A form 4473 is filled out, then a call into NICS ( which is a background check with the .gov either state or federal) After that depending on the state there is a waiting period or they are free to go. Some states require a ID card given to you by the local police.

IF the fire arm is a class 3 firearm (full auto/short barreled rifle under 16 inches/short barreled shotgun under 18 inches/suppressor) a 4473 is filled out except suppressor and a Form 4 is filled out (requires a chief Law enforcement Officer Signature) and a Tax of $200 is included and shipped off to the BATFE and you wait up to a year for them to approve it. Then and only then can you take it home..

I wonder who they are using for their processing, Im having a hell of a time finding one for my bullet making business.

In states where any adult without a history of mental illness or criminal activity can carry a concealed handgun, people are very polite and respectful of each other.

I love guns even though I own none. I can say that on a forum and the whole world can read it and no one will care a bit. Moms and dads can read my post and will not care.

Now it's your turn. Can you say "I love child porn but I own none" on forum because you believe guns are worse? A " linear, quadratic chart of the harm done"? Do you mean data coming from actual child abusers in a lab somewhere sponsored by the FBI with consent children with their parents present?

I can imagine a billion other arguments against guns, but child porn being better than owning a gun? I tell you this:  I will make sure to read posts you'll make from now on. Very revealing of your psychological profile...

The solution isn't to ban child porn or guns.

Banning child porn and guns is NOT going to prevent children from being sexually abused or people being shot.

The solution is to ban sexual abuse of children and shooting people.

See?

I'd far rather see churches banned than pictures of kiddie porn.

why there are archery clubs when they are not hunting for animals

When someone's about to murder, rape, maim, etc... you, you'll want to shoot them, unless you have Stockholm Syndrome or masochistic, suicidal, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwebTX3rk3E

I've shot everyone I've ever wanted to shoot: ZERO.

For sport perhaps?

I mean why have track and field when there's no dinosaurs to chase us down for supper...

Which ones? The cops, EPA, DHS, IRS, FDA... Or did you mean all of them? :)

Thanks for the elaborate reply, serenitys. So USA citizens are mistrusting the government (arguably for good reasons), whereas Europeans have some more respect for theirs.

Times are changing, fortunately. Of course, the situation in the Ukraine is tense.

That looks a little bit far fetched. Not all examples are good examples.

I like your way of looking at it, seems plausible. But if you could choose if in a safe country, would you rather life with or without easy access to guns?

Glad to see this happening, but their prices are ridiculous. 5-10% MSRP markup at minimum on each weapon it seems. Accepting BTC should make things cheaper, not more expensive. You'd be better off watching slickguns.com for a deal and converting to fiat then.

So USA citizens are mistrusting the government (arguably for good reasons), whereas Europeans have some more respect for theirs.

The Founding Fathers mistrusted their own government, the one they were about to create for generations. Most or all of them came from Europe, not even born on American soil. They knew their own past history on the old continent perfectly and were trying to create a new paradigm. No more empire, no more monarchy, no more tyranny. They knew they would not be alive forever and created a document that tells people they have the right to free speech (to bad mouth their own government not the right of Libel and lie about their neighbor), and the right to bear arm if that government transformed itself into a tyranny, like it did so many times before in Europe.

Europeans have zero respect for their own government as they believe government is a job creator, a right giver and nothing else. Europeans believes they are born with zero rights, only then their trusty government has a list of rights it gives to its citizen, the exact opposite in the USA.

So far millions upon millions of serfs and sheep all over Europe have been slaughtered by their own government, the one you believe was trustful. You still believe it is OK for families with "noble blood" to be on top of you forever while you keep your own middle class to be slaved forever. Why do you think the brightest among you leave your countries by the hundred of thousands every year to come and work in California?

Must be that trusty government of yours.

By the way what is the safest country in Europe and how many people can it absorb every year in its paradise?

Maybe, just maybe, those early colonists envied how those Injuns lived WITHOUT taxes, fiefdoms, royalty, and forced labor.  

Maybe they could appreciate a life where you are really free to hunt and fish everyday if you wish, a life where every man has the same inalienable rights as the next.  The rights given by creation.

I think the effect of the cultures encountered in the early days of settlement have been left out of American history books, but if you look at the constitution you will see evidence.

EDIT TO ADD:

Apologize to the OP, I just realized this is getting far off topic.

Can't help it. Words like "gun" is like cryptonite for a lot of folks, very happy to pay taxes to the people who has the rights to kill them on sight, or only have the right to call the police and wait while their family members get rapped and killed. Even I go off track.

Bitcoin won't change all the sheep in the world.

I intended that sentence as a summary, and forgot the question mark so that people could make remarks on the statement. Didn't expect such aggressive stands. I believe that not one system is perfect, and it's always a search to find the best imperfect system. I often see the Scandinavian countries scoring high in lists about happiness, health care, distribution of income, etc. USA has higher per capita income, best universities, much more rights to defend themselves, etc. I'm fascinated by the way different policies turn out to be, and probably differ if applied to other countries.

I don't no that much about Europe, but the Scandinavian countries are probably good candidates as safest countries.

I noticed after reading some of these posts that alot of posters here watch too many movies and the news

I am sorry if my reply felt aggressive. The missing question mark did make a big difference trying to guess the vibe. I do get lots of feedback from European countries, from friends and not just from news reports.

The ideal of any system works if in theory if everyone is in it 100%. But for that to happen people would to stop to be people and be cloned, and even that would not guaranty the birth of individualism. If you follow a bit of politic you would notice the extreme right is getting stronger in Norway for example, after decades of socialism. That is the nature of the beast. The mass killing on that island and the quick jump of the socialists to blame the extreme right was not a card well played and so they lost the election. In Sweden they are calling anyone not a socialist a nazi. Not smart.

Anyway I usually have a smile when browsing the bitcointalk forum, no matter the price of bitcoin.