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Title: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on October 30, 2019, 10:14:34 AM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it. Who in this world is watching/following a football match and doesn’t want to see goals scored ? Unless you are fan of a team of course and want it to win…..but even then, if your team is leading 2-0 you would be biting your nails and hope your team DOES NOT to score another goal – this is just madness.

The problem with this is, that I think there is loads of value in playing unders, just because people love playing overs and thus the odds are driven down a lot often times. This threads purpose is to get rid of my under-phobia and I will document my possible healing publicly.

I will mainly stick with german competitions (GER1, GER2 and Cup) mixing it up with other leagues every now and then if I stumble across something, in my opinion, worthwhile. If this whole thing isn’t too nerve-wrecking, I will try to play 100 unders and see where I stand after that.

I will start with only 500,- Euro and stake 2% flat to prevent any heart attacks. Will do short write-ups for the bets I am playing.

The first bets for todays cup matches in Germany:

#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
Kaiserslautern sort of underish team, especially at home. For today they will probably park the bus and go on from there. Nuremberg has huge trouble against defensive-minded teams so I don’t see lots of goals scored.

#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
Both teams very well organized and with troubles scoring lately. Wolfsburg has played under in 8 of their 13 matches this season and they will probably sit back first and watch how things unfold, while Leipzig isn’t the most confident team in the world right now as well. Their Bundesliga match some days ago in Leipzig ended 1-1.

#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
Dortmund really poor right now, only scored one goal in their last 3 matches, but only conceded twice as well. Gladbach rather underish tendency on travels, Bundesliga match some days ago ended 1-0.

#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365
Aue has surprised me this season. There is lots of goals scored in their matches this season, but I don’t see them doing anything for the game today. They will sit back and look for counter attacks. Düsseldorf is missing some important creative players and are not the most confident team right now, so they will struggle to find the back of the net against this Aue team.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: swogerino on October 30, 2019, 11:15:55 AM
I think this is a bet that few players like to play it.I think that the reason is easy enough to understand,when playing Under in the moment that a more number of goals are scored the bet is lost while by playing Over your hopes of winning the bet remains alive for a more amount of time and Over happens more than Under I think.I rarely have played Under and almost always have lost the bet so I can understand your pain.The same can be said for both teams to score,when playing yes you have hopes until the end of the game,when playing no if both teams score the bet is lost and that is the reason many players play the yes option.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Mahanton on October 30, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
I think this is a bet that few players like to play it.I think that the reason is easy enough to understand,when playing Under in the moment that a more number of goals are scored the bet is lost while by playing Over your hopes of winning the bet remains alive for a more amount of time and Over happens more than Under I think.I rarely have played Under and almost always have lost the bet so I can understand your pain.The same can be said for both teams to score,when playing yes you have hopes until the end of the game,when playing no if both teams score the bet is lost and that is the reason many players play the yes option.
Im not really into betting with under but depending on some games that i do look or feel that wont able to reach up above that point.
I can really feel the pain and the time where your excitement is killing gradually by nervous and thrills when you are already on the boundary
of your bet for it to lost.Base up on experience i do see more in Overs than unders and i do make up some several bet of it back in previous months.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: efialtis on October 30, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Man, I am exactly the same - I NEVER bet on unders for all the reasons you mentioned, I hate it - while I am regularly playing overs (actually 90% of my bets are on overs), I cant remember having placed a bet on an under EVER!  :D

Good luck to you of course - I will come back regularly and see how it goes. :)


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on October 30, 2019, 09:51:30 PM
#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365


Well, this was pretty poor ;D This under-phobia seems to be a nasty disease and the curing might take some time. The unders in Kaiserslautern and Düsseldorf were already on life support at halftime, when 2 goals each were already scored. So these going over was no surprise. Leipzig led only 1-0 at half-time, but Wolfsburg decided to field their womens team for the second half, so Leipzig dominated at will from then on and won 6-1 in the end. Dortmund under looked good until 71st minute with no goals. But 3 goals in 9 minutes destroyed that under too. 7/8 matches went over in the cup matches today. Better luck next time hopefully :P

Bank: 461,19 Euro
W/L: 0-4
Yield: -100%


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: LTU_btc on October 30, 2019, 11:45:00 PM
Oh, man, sorry for your loses. Cup matches are risky to bet in general, not only when we talk about unders.
Same like people above, I also rarely bet on unders and main reasons why is already said by you. I bet on it sometimes, but my win % doesn't looks good at all. While I bet on overs frequently and I can't complain much about my results.
Wish you better luck in further bets. It will be interesting to follow your progress.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: mu_enrico on October 31, 2019, 03:41:55 AM
I don't recommend playing under for cup (or elimination) matches because the mindset of both teams is like "I must win, or I'm out" then "f*ck this sh*t" mode.

You could try to play under in league matches, by looking at the historical stats, the goal scored, goal conceded, etc. I still remember a moment when (for example) Manchester United under Mourinho, when they were called Drawchester.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: bering on October 31, 2019, 04:57:18 AM
I can see all of your bets were lost because most of match have the score over than 2 goals if we talking about options bets then compare to the odds between unders and overs indeed playing unders have high odds but it's risky for me although bets for popular match or big match but i had failed to do so and bets unders currently is not my option again unless bets for live match but my bets results during bets for this option was very bad


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 01, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
#5 l GER2 l Regensburg - Osnabrück l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 9,22 Euro l SBO

Osnabrück failed to score in their last 4 matches and I doubt they will be able to score today. On the other hand they are pretty stable defensively, never conceiding a lot. In total they have 8 unders out of 11 matches played. Regensburg is no scoring machine. They lost some good players in summer break and still looking to find their rhythm. I see a low scoring game with the most likely outcomes being 0-0, 1-0 or 2-0.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Pmalek on November 01, 2019, 10:44:18 AM
Look at it this way. Just because your team is leading 2:0 it doesn't mean that they can score a third goal. And you wouldn't want the team you support to concede a goal either because a 2:1 can easily be turned around to a 2:2 as well.

Regarding unders, there are leagues where they occur quite often. For example in the French 2nd league - Ligue 2.
In contrast to the french league, stay away from the Dutch 2nd league - Eerste Divisie, that one is famous for many goals and both teams scoring. Finding a under could have great value there. 


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Haunebu on November 01, 2019, 11:38:06 AM
It all comes down the league and the team and their current form. I usually focus on moneyline bets since I achieved maximum success with them, but I have achieved limited success with various prop bets including unders by doing my research.

Example : https://www.soccervista.com/soccer_leagues_ordered_by_number_of_goals.php

I love this site and I highly recommend it to anyone searching for soccer statistics.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 01, 2019, 11:02:31 PM
#5 l GER2 l Regensburg - Osnabrück l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 9,22 Euro l SBO

3-3, I guess even a monkey could do better, unders just suck big time ;D

Bank: 451,97 Euro
W/L: 0-5
Yield: -100%

But I have to get to 100 bets, lets see how long it takes until I find a winner.

#6 l GER2 l Aue - Heidenheim l under 2,5 l 2,06 l 9,04 Euro l SBO
#7 l GER2 l Fürth - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,00 l 8,86 Euro l SBO
#8 l GER2 l St. Pauli - Karlsruhe l under 2,5 l 2,19 l 8,68 Euro l SBO


Going with under in all GER2 matches on Saturday as all those teams are underish teams in my book (Aue is pretty overish this season, but normally they are clear under team). Often times when two underish teams meet, there is some kind of goal festival, hope this is not the case tomorrow.

For GER1, I took these unders:

#9 l GER1 l Leverkusen - Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,73 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle
I wouldn't be surprised to see loads of goals here, but those under odds are very good. Gladbach on away games has a tendency for unders and Leverkusen wasn't very sharp offensively lately.

#10 l GER1 l Frankfurt - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,03 l 8,34 Euro l SBO
Bayern isn't super confident at the moment, they won the last 3 games, but played poorly. There weren't a lot of matches going over 3,5 when Bayern visited Frankfurt in recent years and I don't see a lot of goals this year as well.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: mitchr4 on November 01, 2019, 11:24:52 PM
It's too risky to take under 2.5 in big matches especially if a strong team against a weak team will make a lot of goals. Why not take under 3.5/3 is a little safe even though the odds are smaller between @1.3-1.5 and it would be better if you make a parlay.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: ralle14 on November 02, 2019, 10:18:36 PM
It's too risky to take under 2.5 in big matches especially if a strong team against a weak team will make a lot of goals. Why not take under 3.5/3 is a little safe even though the odds are smaller between @1.3-1.5 and it would be better if you make a parlay.
Doing parlays with smaller odds is not the best because it only takes one to lose everything.  Straight bets is always better even if OP is mostly getting losses and only wins like 1-3 times at least he's winning some of it back while on parlays this isn't always possible unless he always win most of his leg then cashes out those parlays before the losing leg comes in. I'm guessing OP is forcing himself to take odds above 2 because it only takes a 50% win rate to recover while on lower odds you'll need to go slightly above since you're getting less. 



Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 03, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
It's too risky to take under 2.5 in big matches especially if a strong team against a weak team will make a lot of goals.

That would mean that it's un-risky to take over 2,5 in these kind of games, no ? Wonder why everyone is still going to work every day.

I'm guessing OP is forcing himself to take odds above 2 because it only takes a 50% win rate to recover while on lower odds you'll need to go slightly above since you're getting less. 

Not forcing myself, but sticking with under 2,5 mainly and you won't find lots of odds below 2,00 for under 2,5 in german leagues ;)

#6 l GER2 l Aue - Heidenheim l under 2,5 l 2,06 l 9,04 Euro l SBO
#7 l GER2 l Fürth - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,00 l 8,86 Euro l SBO
#8 l GER2 l St. Pauli - Karlsruhe l under 2,5 l 2,19 l 8,68 Euro l SBO

#9 l GER1 l Leverkusen - Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,73 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle
#10 l GER1 l Frankfurt - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,03 l 8,34 Euro l SBO

Well, found at least one under this time :) Lots of goals were scored in GER1+GER2 yesterday - only 2 unders in 9 games with an average of 3,89 goals per game.

Bank: 427,16 Euro
W/L: 1-9
Yield: -79,64%

Only one under for today that I like out of 5 matches:

#11 l GER2 l Wehen - Hamburg l under 2,5 l 2,57 l 8,54 Euro l Pinnacle

Wehen promoted this season and learned that their offensive-minded playing style won't work in this league. So they switched to a more defensive approach. And it paid off, they are 2-2-0 since then with 1-3 over/under. Last two matches finished 0-0. I don't think they will score today against powerhouse Hamburg. If Hamburg manages to score 3 then is to be seen.




Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 04, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
#11 l GER2 l Wehen - Hamburg l under 2,5 l 2,57 l 8,54 Euro l Pinnacle

Found another winner here. Was pretty comfortable as Wehen scored the equalizer only in injury time. Hamburg could have scored a dozen here, but were just too pathetic to put the ball over the line.

Bank: 440,57 Euro
W/L: 2-9
Yield: -59,43%

Adding two matches from Champions League here:
 
#12 l UCL l Dortmund – Inter l under 2,5 l 2,07 l 8,81 Euro l Pinnacle
I expect Inter to play ultra-defensively. All they want is probably  a draw here. If they happen to lose, they should take care not losing the H2H as it might be important in the end. Dortmund isn’t convincing me lately and I expect thm to have a hard time scoring here.

#13 l UCL l Valencia – Lille l under 2,5 l 1,83 l 8,64 l Pinnacle
Very important match for both. While Valencia could eventually live with a draw, Lille needs to win here badly to have any hope for promotion to the Playoffs. Problem is, they are probably too weak to get anything going in Mestalla and opening a shootout with the hosts might not be a good idea. Both teams weren’t very successful in finding the back of the net of their opponents in this years CL campaign scoring only 2 goals each so far. Expecting both teams to take a more careful approach at first with the game being more open the closer we get to the final whistle, but that may be too late for 3+ goals.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Naida_BR on November 04, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
I avoid gambling on unders in football.
In my opinion, there is not any point in betting for an under. It is not fan at all and you get stressed everytime a team tries to score a goal. Football is about watching a lot of goals scored in a match and not the opposite.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: pleasureteam on November 04, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
I would say skip German leagues to go under 2.5 goals. German and for example dutch leagues are known for lots of goals.
I sometimes like to gamble unders as well but mostly Italian, Spanish and French leagues.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: rdbase on November 04, 2019, 06:23:19 PM
Agreed with the poster who said unders for goals in any league is very risky.
I barely bet on german league games but most of the time I see over 2 goals scored by each team every time.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: LbtalkL on November 04, 2019, 11:42:57 PM
I bet on under sometimes but it depends on the teams who are playing. If they are evenly match probably they cant score that much if both teams defense is good. Or both teams are not really good I bet under too but if a strong team versus weak team not a chance I will go over.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 06, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
#12 l UCL l Dortmund – Inter l under 2,5 l 2,07 l 8,81 Euro l Pinnacle
#13 l UCL l Valencia – Lille l under 2,5 l 1,83 l 8,64 l Pinnacle

Two losers again. Valencia under looked rather good for a long time, but Lille just imploded in the latter stages.

Bank: 423,12 Euro
W/L: 2-11
Yield: -65,46%

I like two unders from todays CL matches.

#14 l UCL l Bayern - Olympiacos l Olympiacos under 0,5 l 2,22 l 8,46 Euro l Pinnacle
Slightly different bet this time, but I like it very much. Bayern sacked Kovac and Flick has taken over as interim coach. Bayern are sitting comfortably at the top of the table in their group and their main goal in the next few games is to play more organized and get some stability in defense (though they are missing Hernandez and Süle). Bayern won't go all out here and open space for Olympiacos - they have the big match against in Dortmund in mind, so after having probably a 2-0 lead, they will sit back and save their energies. Olympiacos will have a hard time scoring here.

#15 l UCL l Atalanta - ManCity l under 3,5 l 1,81 l 8,29 Euro l Pinnacle
ManCity is in the same situation as Bayern, not form-wise, but table-wise. They will take first place in this extremely weak group. And they have bigger things coming up in the next days, e.g. playing Liverpool on Sunday. So they won't waste any energy here, probably rotating a bit. We saw yesterday with Liverpool what happens then. ManCity will want to control the game, maybe take the lead and then sit back to get back to UK asap and prepare for Liverpool. They might be even satisfied with a draw here, a loss won't do no harm as well in the end.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Krislaw on November 06, 2019, 10:52:33 AM
It's too risky to take under 2.5 in big matches especially if a strong team against a weak team will make a lot of goals. Why not take under 3.5/3 is a little safe even though the odds are smaller between @1.3-1.5 and it would be better if you make a parlay.

Under 3.5 is also risky. Remember Liverpool vs Arsenal game? You wouldn't have expected such numbers of goals. I would rather bet on half time goals or bet under 2.5 against a weak team.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Naida_BR on November 06, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
It's too risky to take under 2.5 in big matches especially if a strong team against a weak team will make a lot of goals. Why not take under 3.5/3 is a little safe even though the odds are smaller between @1.3-1.5 and it would be better if you make a parlay.

Under 3.5 is also risky. Remember Liverpool vs Arsenal game? You wouldn't have expected such numbers of goals. I would rather bet on half time goals or bet under 2.5 against a weak team.

In general under is very risky. The most combinations of teams prove that the matches are going to end up with an over.
Only in the case where both teams are of bad quality and they dont have strong attackers can end up in under.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Sahyadri on November 06, 2019, 03:12:59 PM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it. Who in this world is watching/following a football match and doesn’t want to see goals scored ? Unless you are fan of a team of course and want it to win…..but even then, if your team is leading 2-0 you would be biting your nails and hope your team DOES NOT to score another goal – this is just madness.

The problem with this is, that I think there is loads of value in playing unders, just because people love playing overs and thus the odds are driven down a lot often times. This threads purpose is to get rid of my under-phobia and I will document my possible healing publicly.

I will mainly stick with german competitions (GER1, GER2 and Cup) mixing it up with other leagues every now and then if I stumble across something, in my opinion, worthwhile. If this whole thing isn’t too nerve-wrecking, I will try to play 100 unders and see where I stand after that.

I will start with only 500,- Euro and stake 2% flat to prevent any heart attacks. Will do short write-ups for the bets I am playing.

The first bets for todays cup matches in Germany:

#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
Kaiserslautern sort of underish team, especially at home. For today they will probably park the bus and go on from there. Nuremberg has huge trouble against defensive-minded teams so I don’t see lots of goals scored.

#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
Both teams very well organized and with troubles scoring lately. Wolfsburg has played under in 8 of their 13 matches this season and they will probably sit back first and watch how things unfold, while Leipzig isn’t the most confident team in the world right now as well. Their Bundesliga match some days ago in Leipzig ended 1-1.

#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
Dortmund really poor right now, only scored one goal in their last 3 matches, but only conceded twice as well. Gladbach rather underish tendency on travels, Bundesliga match some days ago ended 1-0.

#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365
Aue has surprised me this season. There is lots of goals scored in their matches this season, but I don’t see them doing anything for the game today. They will sit back and look for counter attacks. Düsseldorf is missing some important creative players and are not the most confident team right now, so they will struggle to find the back of the net against this Aue team.


Although the returns on betting for the unders are high but also they come with high risk too. I generally go for the overs and with the majority but there was this time when i was confident about one of the unders to win and they did which got me good returns. Post that I played with unders but lost all. So now I go with the majority although less rewarding but the win is sure atleast ! wishing you good luck on this ! 


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 07, 2019, 08:50:47 AM
#14 l UCL l Bayern - Olympiacos l Olympiacos under 0,5 l 2,22 l 8,46 Euro l Pinnacle
#15 l UCL l Atalanta - ManCity l under 3,5 l 1,81 l 8,29 Euro l Pinnacle


Two in a row. Feels like Christmas being early. Maybe I can put together some streak ;D

Bank: 440,16 Euro
W/L: 4-11
Yield: -44,59%

#16 l UEL l Möchengladbach - Roma l under 2,5 l 2,27 l 8,80 Euro l Pinnacle
Mönchengladbach are leading the table in Bundesliga, but in UEL they have been pretty poor so far with 0-2-1. Not sure, if they are THAT interested in UEL as it always means a distraction for the main goal of doing good in domestic league. Mönchengladbach has some injury woes, especially upfront, where Plea, Thuram and Embolo are injured. Embolo will be sidelined, while Thuram and Plea could see limited time on the pitch, but won’t be at 100%. Rome is probably satisfied with a draw here and won’t push relentlessly. So I see good value in these odds.

#17 l UEL l Wolfsburg - Gent l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,63 Euro l Pinnacle
Wolfsburg were a bit shaky in their last matches. Their opponents were able to score 9 on them in the last two matches, which is very unusual. It has to be noted though, that those goals came from powerhouses Dortmund and Leipzig – Gent is not in that category. So for today I think Wolfsburg wants to find some defensive stability again and keep a clean sheet. They are no goal scoring machine, so lets see, if they can make this game an over on their own.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 08, 2019, 01:15:52 PM
#16 l UEL l Möchengladbach - Roma l under 2,5 l 2,27 l 8,80 Euro l Pinnacle
#17 l UEL l Wolfsburg - Gent l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,63 Euro l Pinnacle


A bit unlucky with the under in Mönchengladbach, 2-1 was scored in 95th minute only :P The unders often look good until half-time, but always go over in second half. Looks good for some trading.

Bank: 422,73 Euro
W/L: 4-13
Yield: -50,96%

#18 l GER2 l Dresden - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,33 l 8,45 Euro l SBO
As I wrote earlier, Wehen is taking a more defensive approach lately and it has paid off so far. Dresden, apart from the cup match in Berlin, has huge trouble scoring, while doing pretty good defensively. Two poor teams with troubles scoring, but also not conceding a lot in a very important match are good ingredients for under here. Good value from my point of view.

The other two matches in GER1 & GER2 look overish, so no bets there.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 08, 2019, 11:54:57 PM
#18 l GER2 l Dresden - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,33 l 8,45 Euro l SBO

No sweat here, 1-0.

Bank: 433,96 Euro
W/L: 5-13
Yield: -41,25%

Lots of matches on Saturday of course, lets see, if we can make some bucks with those hated unders.

#19 l GER2 l Sandhausen - Fürth l under 2,5 l 1,90 l 8,68 Euro l SBO
Sandhausen is the most underish team in GER2. If possible, they would probably sign a 0-0 pre-match every time. Just very ugly and boring football, 2-10 over/under this season. Fürth plays more under than over as well. They have a few good offensive players, but still only score 1,16 goals per game. H2H @Sandhausen is also in huge favour of the under - only one over in 7 games played, last two matches finished 0-0 each, which is also a very likely result this time. Odds for Fürth win are pretty high btw; if there is a winner, it should be Fürth, so pricing them at 3,35 (Pinnacle) is wrong imo and gives good value.

#20 l GER2 l Osnabrück - Stuttgart l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle
After failing to score for four consecutive games, Osnabrück finally broke the spell and put three into the net last round in Regensburg, but don't let that fool you. They are struggling a lot offensively, the midfielders are not very creative, but their defense is fine. Stuttgart has some off-days defensively from time to time, but this Osnabrück team won't give them too many headaches. Lets see, if Stuttgart can score three here.

#21 l GER1 l Hertha - Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,51 l 8,34 Euro l Pinnacle
The stats point to a clear over here. Combined these two teams played 15-5 over/under this season in Bundesliga and 4-0 in cup matches. H2H has tons of goals too with results like 5-0 / 2-6 / 2-3 / 1-4. And still I like the under with these odds in this spot. Hertha is struggling lately and Leipzig was in Russia mid-week for their CL match and had a lot of matches recently anyway and some fatigue is to be expected. So I am hoping that Leipzig tries to get the three points with minimal effort here, a draw wouldn't be the end of the world for them too.

#22 l GER1 l Bayern - Dortmund l under 3,5 l 1,81 l 8,17 Euro l Dafabet
Bayern didn't convince me against Olympiacos. They were pretty toothless and would have gotten into some more trouble against stronger opposition, but Oly just came for a 0-0 and later even continued defending a 0-1, showing no offensive efforts whatsoever. Bayern will still look for defensive stability first and Dortmund often has performed poorly when travelling to Munich. So I don't see some goalfest here, but it can happen of course.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 09, 2019, 08:33:57 PM
#19 l GER2 l Sandhausen - Fürth l under 2,5 l 1,90 l 8,68 Euro l SBO
#20 l GER2 l Osnabrück - Stuttgart l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle
#21 l GER1 l Hertha - Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,51 l 8,34 Euro l Pinnacle
#22 l GER1 l Bayern - Dortmund l under 3,5 l 1,81 l 8,17 Euro l Dafabet

Hard business this under business ;) Lots of matches go way over.

Bank: 420,52 Euro
W/L: 6-16
Yield: -41,02%

In GER1 there is now 71,9% of games going over and 28,1% going under since the start of the season. Insane numbers and I doubt this will continue. So I will play every game in GER1 under from now on without explanation.

In GER2 there have been 51,3% of games going over and 48,7% going under, so pretty balanced.

#23 l GER2 l Darmstadt - Regensburg l under 2,5 l 2,23 l 8,41 Euro l SBO

Under-team against over-team. Darmstadt is very limited offensively and Regensburg isn't the team that can easily score against a well organised defensive-minded team. Last season both matches ended 1-1 and I expect a similar result for tomorrow.

#24 l GER1 l Mönchengladbach - Werder l under 2,5 l 2,74 l 8,24 Euro l Pinnacle
#25 l GER1 l Wolfsburg - Leverkusen l under 2,5 l 2,11 l 8,08 Euro l SBO
#26 l GER1 l Freiburg - Frankfurt l under 2,5 l 2,31 l 7,92 Euro l Pinnacle


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on November 09, 2019, 09:56:38 PM
Quote
In GER1 there is now 71,9% of games going over and 28,1% going under since the start of the season. Insane numbers and I doubt this will continue. So I will play every game in GER1 under from now on without explanation.

How does this make sense? Ok, I get it that 71.9% is above expectations and more than last season. But that doesn't mean that future games will be mostly unders in order to lower this percentage. I checked some stats and average number of goals per match fluctuates quite a lot from season to season so maybe 2019/2020 will simply be full of goals.

Bundesliga stats from SoccerSTATS (https://www.soccerstats.com/trends.asp?league=germany_2019):
Code:
Season		Goals per match		Games with over 2.5 goals
2015/2016 2.83 55.9%
2016/2017 2.87 54.9%
2017/2018 2.79 52.0%
2018/2019 3.18 62.4%


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 09, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
How does this make sense? Ok, I get it that 71.9% is above expectations and more than last season. But that doesn't mean that future games will be mostly unders in order to lower this percentage. I checked some stats and average number of goals per match fluctuates quite a lot from season to season so maybe 2019/2020 will simply be full of goals.

Bundesliga stats from SoccerSTATS (https://www.soccerstats.com/trends.asp?league=germany_2019):
Code:
Season		Goals per match		Games with over 2.5 goals
2015/2016 2.83 55.9%
2016/2017 2.87 54.9%
2017/2018 2.79 52.0%
2018/2019 3.18 62.4%

It probably doesn't make any sense at all from a statistical point of view tbh. I don't put too much emphasis on statistics normally though; more going with what I see on the pitch and doing my own analysis. There is teams that are under teams in my book, but have been overish a lot this season, so I expect these teams to slow down with the overs and get to 50/50 with over/under.
These teams are: Mainz, Hertha, Freiburg, Köln, Augsburg, Düsseldorf, Schalke, Paderborn (Paderborn is over-team normally, but don't belong in GER1 quality-wise). Frankfurt is 9-1, Dortmund 9-2, Leipzg 8-3 - a bit too much as well, so expect them to go maybe 50/50 from now on.

So, thats already 60% of teams for which I expect a more underish tendency in the upcoming weeks. Now I could just pick the games with these teams involved, but it's only a few games, where one of these teams is not involved, so why not play them all.

I am only using tiny stakes here to get used to playing unders, since I think there is often value in under odds as I explained in the opening post. Till now, can't say that I was very successful. Probably poor pick selection, maybe just bad timing, who knows. But to get a feel for it, this has been very valuable so far for me. I didn't expect to make huge gains right from the get-go. The positive things is, that I am more relaxed now, when watching a football match and having a bet on the under. So this is already an improvement ;) But could also get worse again when I start to stake more on unders ;D


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 11, 2019, 10:48:16 AM
#23 l GER2 l Darmstadt - Regensburg l under 2,5 l 2,23 l 8,41 Euro l SBO
#24 l GER1 l Mönchengladbach - Werder l under 2,5 l 2,74 l 8,24 Euro l Pinnacle
#25 l GER1 l Wolfsburg - Leverkusen l under 2,5 l 2,11 l 8,08 Euro l SBO
#26 l GER1 l Freiburg - Frankfurt l under 2,5 l 2,31 l 7,92 Euro l Pinnacle


Two goals in 88th and 90th minute in Darmstadt ruined the day a bit, but at least didn't lose more. There was even a fourth goal scored in Darmstadt, so it was 3 goals in 6 minutes, crazy.

Bank: 423,21 Euro
W/L: 8-18
Yield: -33,91%

#27 l GER2 l Karlsruhe - Aue l under 2,5 l 2,13 l 8,46 Euro l Dafabet
Aue has slowed down a bit after a fantastic start of the season. They are usually very defensive-minded, especially on away games. They will be satisfied with a draw here and won't push for 3 points. Karlsruhe has had some crazy games this season, but they are normally not playing very offensively as well and like to sit back. I expect a boring game with a 1-1 draw in the end.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 14, 2019, 12:45:05 PM
#27 l GER2 l Karlsruhe - Aue l under 2,5 l 2,13 l 8,46 Euro l Dafabet

Bit lucky here, as with 1-1 an awarded penalty by the referee was taken away by VAR again.

Bank: 432,77 Euro
W/L: 9-18
Yield: -28,62%

Will pick some unders for the international matches, until the domestlc leagues start again. So here we go.

#28 l Czech Republic - Kosovo l under 2,5 l 1,97 l 8,66 Euro l SBO
Crucial match here this evening. Kosovo won the home leg 2-1 and both teams fight for second spot in this group behind England sitting only 1 point apart. I think both teams will be fine with a draw here, though they surely would love to take the 3 points. With a win, Czech Republic would already qualify, but it won't be easy against this Kosovo team, that only lost once (against England) in more than 2 years. A draw means Czech Republic still has one point advantage over Kosovo and they will travel to their showdown in last round against poor Bulgaria. If Kosovo loses, they are out, so I think they will take very cautious approach, just park the bus and pray for a win in last round against then most likely already qualified England, while hoping for some pride from bulgarian side to not lose against in last home match against Czech Republic. I see a very tactical game, where both teams put their emphasis on just not to lose.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 15, 2019, 12:06:42 PM
#28 l Czech Republic - Kosovo l under 2,5 l 1,97 l 8,66 Euro l SBO

0-0 HT, 2-1 FT, never happens, when I play overs ;D

Bank: 424,11 Euro
W/L: 9-19
Yield: -31,16%

#29 l Romania - Sweden l under 2,5 l 1,67 l 8,48 Euro l Dafabet
A draw would probably feel like a win for Sweden. Will keep them at second place and would 99% mean the qualification for EC with a home game against Faroe Islands on the horizon, where 3 safe points are to be expected. Sweden, if needed, can be a super hard nut to crack defensively and I expect them wanting to keep a clean sheet for whatever it takes this evening. Romania are no worldbeaters offensively, so don't see them scoring here. 0-0 is super likely here imo.

#30 l Bosnia - Italy l under 2,5 l 1,96 l 8,31 Euro l SBO
By the time this match is played, Bosnia is probably already out of contention, as Finland is expected to beat Liechtenstein and book their spot in EC. Italy is already qualified and will finish the group in first place. So this match will be more of a friendly one. Italy probably couldn't care less about this match and I am doubting Bosnia will be super motivated after hearing the news from Finland prior to kick-off.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Assface16678 on November 15, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Man, I am exactly the same - I NEVER bet on unders for all the reasons you mentioned, I hate it - while I am regularly playing overs (actually 90% of my bets are on overs), I cant remember having placed a bet on an under EVER!  :D

Good luck to you of course - I will come back regularly and see how it goes. :)

Playing football is enjoying and also cheering on your favorite team and player in their play. Some of us are not just watching playing football to make some thrill in playing we are betting on the different groups with good odds and make us also some profit and also we are satisfied with watching too. Usually, we want some huge profit by just waging a lot of money or assets but sometimes in the under, because if the odds are 90% above and the under are 10% below, and you bet in under it makes you a more significant profit because on that percentage or odds. Still, sometimes it was not good if you think they cannot win the game; you are playing with a significant risk of loss.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: uray on November 15, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it.  
If there is a game between two teams that have a good defense and a world class goal keeper then you cannot expect many goals, the beauty of the game is different and i am not interested in a one sided goal fest and as a fan i like good matches and the tactics during the match gives me the kick as a fan and most of the times i go under and won a lot and sometimes i lost and it is part and parcel of a sports.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 16, 2019, 01:09:56 PM
#29 l Romania - Sweden l under 2,5 l 1,67 l 8,48 Euro l Dafabet
#30 l Bosnia - Italy l under 2,5 l 1,96 l 8,31 Euro l SBO

Bank: 421,48 Euro
W/L: 10-20
Yield: -30,16%

#31 l Azerbaijan - Wales l under 2,5 l 1,69 l 8,43 Euro l Dafabet
Wales needs the three points badly here. A draw would still keep them alive in this group, but chances to qualify for EC would be next to zero then. Both teams are pretty poor offensively, while Wales at least has an ok-ish defense. Don't see Azerbaijan scoring here today and Wales will probably be happy with defending a 1-0 lead until the final whistle.

#32 l Russia - Belgium l under 2,5 l 2,14 l 8,26 Euro l SBO
These odds are too high for my liking. Both teams already qualified and they have scored a lot against poorish competition in this group. But they also didn't concede a lot - only 5 goals in total. This is a friendly match in the end and I don't see them going all out here in coldish weather.

#33 l Austria - North Macedonia l under 2,5 l 2,43 l 8,10 Euro l Pinnacle
Austria only needs a draw to qualify, while North Macedonia needs all three to keep their hopes, and the hopes of Slovenia and Israel, alive. So Austria won't go all out here and North Macedonia will sit back first too and only open up in the latter stages of this match, giving Austria opportunities for counter attacks. Could get goal-ish at the end, but lets see, odds for under are good.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Webetcoins on November 16, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it.  
If there is a game between two teams that have a good defense and a world class goal keeper then you cannot expect many goals, the beauty of the game is different and i am not interested in a one sided goal fest and as a fan i like good matches and the tactics during the match gives me the kick as a fan and most of the times i go under and won a lot and sometimes i lost and it is part and parcel of a sports.
Match is only fun as long as both opponents have equal level of skills. Though I enjoy goals but that does not mean simple ones. When a good amount of effort is done, only then the goal becomes a thrilling one. We can expect such output from only few teams like FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. Even La Liga is not as much fun as it used to be in the past years. Still the craze and excitement is there.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 17, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
#31 l Azerbaijan - Wales l under 2,5 l 1,69 l 8,43 Euro l Dafabet
#32 l Russia - Belgium l under 2,5 l 2,14 l 8,26 Euro l SBO
#33 l Austria - North Macedonia l under 2,5 l 2,43 l 8,10 Euro l Pinnacle

A 90+3 goal from North Macedonia made this another losing day.

Bank: 410,94 Euro
W/L: 11-22
Yield: -31,23%

A lot of games, where there is nothing to play for today, so only one under, that I like.

#34 l Luxembourg - Portugal l under 3,5 l 1,87 l 8,22 Euro l Dafabet
Win and in it is for Portugal. Depending on the result of the parallel game between Serbia and Ukraine, a draw or loss might be suffice as well, but Portugal surely won't rely on that. Luxembourg has shown some good progress over the years and are quite competitive nowadays for their standards. Portugal is often playing down to their competition and this Luxembourg team is no walk in the park. First leg ended 3-0 in Portugal. Weather in Luxemburg is rather shitty, so I don't see a lot of goals here. Don't think Luxembourg will score and lets see, if Portugal can score 4 here.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: AniviaBtc on November 17, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
Oh, man, sorry for your loss. Cup matches are risky to bet in general, not only when we talk about under.
Same like people above, I also rarely bet on under and the main reasons why is already said by you. I bet on it sometimes, but my win % doesn't look good at all. While I bet on overs frequently and I can't complain much about my results.
Wish you better luck in further bets. It will be interesting to follow your progress.

It is natural in betting that you need to accept your damages because nothing is certain when it comes to that. Just accept and move on before that thing makes you mad and stressed. Cup matches are unstable and inconsistent for you to raise your bet at a high level.

Just place your bet on the side with a high percentage of winning. Easy as that, overs are the best option but not always. But they have higher possibilities of winning.

Better luck next time.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 17, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
#34 l Luxembourg - Portugal l under 3,5 l 1,87 l 8,22 Euro l Dafabet

Bank: 418,09 Euro
W/L: 12-22
Yield: -27,92%

Adding another one for today.

#35 l Bulgaria - Czech Republic l under 2,5 l 2,09 l 8,36 l SBO
Czech Republic probably had a huge party after their win over Kosovo and securing qualification. I guess they couldn’t care less about this match. Bulgaria themselves are pretty poor and only managed to score 5 goals in 7 matches. There will be no spectators in Sofia today, which tends to lead to more underish outcomes in general.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 18, 2019, 05:41:33 PM
#35 l Bulgaria - Czech Republic l under 2,5 l 2,09 l 8,36 l SBO

Bank: 427,20 Euro
W/L: 13-22
Yield: -24,13%

I see few goals with Greece - Finland and Ireland - Denmark, but the odds are too low for my liking and no fan of quarter over/under.

#36 l Liechtenstein - Bosnia l under 3,5 l 1,70 l 8,54 Euro l Expekt
Liechtenstein, similar to Luxembourg, have progressed a lot in recent years. The results are still missing, but they are way more competitive now. Problem is their goal scoring - just 2 goals in nine matches is not what will give you any results. They still get blown out by top opposition, but against middle of the pack teams, they are able to keep the score close, especially at home. Bosnia surely are disappointed with not qualifying for EC in a group that was wide open behind Italy. Don't see Liechtenstein scoring here, but give a good fight. Bosnia will just want to get this match done and move on. They can score a lot, if they are motivated, but I doubt they will go all out this evening.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 19, 2019, 01:40:10 PM
#36 l Liechtenstein - Bosnia l under 3,5 l 1,70 l 8,54 Euro l Expekt

Bank: 433,18 Euro
W/L: 14-22
Yield: -21,54%

#37 l Wales - Hungary l under 2,5 l 1,73 l 8,66 Euro l Dafabet
Interesting situation in this group. Assuming Slovakia will beat Azerbaijan, not only Wales will need the 3 points here, but also Hungary as they lost the H2H with Slovakia. Wales and Hungary are both very underish teams and I don't expect them to go for a shootout here, but rather sit back, trying not to concede. Both teams can defend very well and are not the ones to easily crack a good defense offensively. Most likely we will see a very boring and tactical match until around the 75th minute, with both teams starting to open more up as we get closer to the final whistle. I wouldn't be surprised to see this going over in the last 15 minutes, but I still like my chances for the under with these odds.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 22, 2019, 11:30:05 AM
#37 l Wales - Hungary l under 2,5 l 1,73 l 8,66 Euro l Dafabet

Bank: 439,50 Euro
W/L: 15-22
Yield: -18,97%

#38 l Aue - St. Pauli l under 2,5 l 2,05 l 8,79 Euro l Dafabet
Both these teams are under teams in my book. Aue has slowed down a bit after a fantastic start to the season; looks like they are back to normal with a good defense and few scoring. St. Pauli isn't very confident right now, their last win dates back to end of September. I expect a boring, low-quality game in low temperatures and a draw like 1-1 seems very likely for that.

#39 l Dortmund - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,42 l 8,61 Euro l Pinnacle
As I said earlier, I will play all GER1 matches under from now on and see where it gets me. GER1 has been so overish since the beginning, that it has to stop at some point. Will normally choose the under 2,5, but in this match under 3,5 is a bit safer and still priced good.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 23, 2019, 10:04:01 AM
#38 l Aue - St. Pauli l under 2,5 l 2,05 l 8,79 Euro l Dafabet
#39 l Dortmund - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,42 l 8,61 Euro l Pinnacle

Paderborn scoring 3 is just madness :D

Bank: 422,10 Euro
W/L: 15-24
Yield: -23,16%

#40 l Bielefeld - Sandhausen l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,44 Euro l Dafabet
Recent H2H favours the under. Sandhausen is probably the worst team, when it comes to creativeness. Surprisingly they have the second most shots on goal in the league, but they need over 15 shots on average to actually score a goal, which is the worst number in GER2. Bielefeld play very organized and Sandhausen will have problems scoring here. Now Bielefeld can easily score 3 on their own as around 17% of their shots result in a goal, but lets see. Sandhausen will park the bus and it won't be easy for Bielefeld to create a lot of goal scoring opportunities today.

#41 l Leverkusen - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,32 l 8,27 Euro l Pinnacle
#42 l Düsseldorf - Bayern i under 3,5 l 2,09 l 8,11 Euro l Dafabet
#43 l Frankfurt - Wolfsburg l under 2,5 l 2,33 l 7,95 Euro l SBO
#44 l Union - Mönchengladbach l under 2,5 l 2,26 l 7,79 Euro l Pinnacle
#45 l Bremen - Schalke i under 2,5 l 2,42 l 7,63 Euro l Dafabet
#46 l Leipzig - Köln l under 3,5 l 1,86 l 7,48 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 24, 2019, 12:00:10 PM
#40 l Bielefeld - Sandhausen l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,44 Euro l Dafabet
#41 l Leverkusen - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,32 l 8,27 Euro l Pinnacle
#42 l Düsseldorf - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,09 l 8,11 Euro l Dafabet
#43 l Frankfurt - Wolfsburg l under 2,5 l 2,33 l 7,95 Euro l SBO
#44 l Union - Mönchengladbach l under 2,5 l 2,26 l 7,79 Euro l Pinnacle
#45 l Bremen - Schalke l under 2,5 l 2,42 l 7,63 Euro l Dafabet
#46 l Leipzig - Köln l under 3,5 l 1,86 l 7,48 Euro l Dafabet

Bank: 439,64 Euro
W/L: 19-27
Yield: -15,40%

#47 l Fürth - Nürnberg l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,79 Euro l Dafabet
Nürnberg were on a pretty poor run and conceded a lot, so they sacked their coach and got a new one. First task is to get defensive stability again, to give yourself a chance to win games again. When you regularly concede 3 goals or more, it's pretty hard to get points. Fürth has a lot of good offensive players, but it doesn't result in scoring a lot surprisingly. This is the oldest rivalry in german football and I expect a cautious approach by both teams.

The other two games in GER2 I see going over, though the under odds with Stuttgart - Karlsruhe are very tempting and this is a derby full of hate too.

#48 l Augsburg - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,16 l 8,62 Euro l Pinnacle
#49 l Hoffenheim - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 8,28 Euro l Pinnacle


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 25, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
#47 l Fürth - Nürnberg l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,79 Euro l Dafabet
#48 l Augsburg - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,16 l 8,62 Euro l Pinnacle
#49 l Hoffenheim - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 8,28 Euro l Pinnacle

Tons of goals in GER1 matches again. After a bad start to this test, I am around break-even for the last 40 bets, but thats not enough to recover the losses.

Bank: 432,43 Euro
W/L: 20-29
Yield: -16,17%

#50 l Hannover - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,01 l 8,65 Euro l Dafabet
Darmstadt is always playing very defensively. Even if they take a 1-0 lead, they don't bother a lot going for a 2-0 with counter attacks, only sending 2-3 players most of the time. Hannover sacked their coach Slomka and installed Kenan Kocak as new coach. Kocak is known for a more defensive/cautious approach as well. Players that played in defense in their active career, tend to be defensive-minded coached as well. Hannover needs a win badly here, but it's not easy to score against Darmstadt, who will park the bus again. 0-0, 1-0, 2-0 are the most likely results for me.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 26, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
#50 l Hannover - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,01 l 8,65 Euro l Dafabet

Already lost this bet in 28th minute, but it was 1-2 FT then :P

Bank: 423,78 Euro
W/L: 20-30
Yield: -17,87%

#51 l Galatasaray - Brugge l under 2,5 l 1,92 l 8,48 Euro l Dafabet
Crucial match here, like a lot of matches in this round. Realistically both teams only play for third place in this group, which will put them in Europa League afterwards. Gala needs the win badly here, but they have huge trouble scoring this season. In CL they failed to find the back of the net even once and in domestic league, they have 13 goals in 12 games, pretty poor. Brugge will be happy with a draw and can just sit back, probably going for some counterattacks to maybe snatch the 3 points and having the hope of Paris taking points at Real this evening and thus giving Brugge a final for 2nd place at home against Real in the last round. But main goal for Brugge will be to not lose here and with Gala being so poor offensively, I think we will see a 0-0 late into the 2nd half. The rest remains to be seen.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 28, 2019, 10:14:21 AM
#51 l Galatasaray - Brugge l under 2,5 l 1,92 l 8,48 Euro l Dafabet

Bank: 431,58 Euro
W/L: 21-30
Yield: -15,73%

Nothing caught my attention in yesterdays CL matches. Two high priced unders came in at Liverpool and Lille, but I thought we would see lots of goals there. Today I picked two matches for EL.

#52 l Lazio - Cluj l under 2,5 l 2,29 l 8,63 Euro l SBO
Lazio needs the 3 points here, to have any hope of advancing to the next stage. While trying to achieve this, they also have to take care of the H2H with Cluj. First leg was 2-1 for Cluj, so Lazio either needs a 1-0 here or a win with at least 2 goals margin, like 2-0, 3-1, 4-2 etc. Cluj will be happy with any draw here, as it means they will secure at least 2nd place and advance from this group. They only conceded 3 goals in EL so far and in their domestic, albeit rather poor, league, there opponents only scored 13 goals in 17 matches against them, so there is some defensive stability. Cluj will sit back here, just looking for a 0-0 and Lazio doesn't need to score right away. A 1-0 is enough for them, so there is no need to go all out right from the start.

#53 l Rosenborg - Linz l under 2,5 l 2,21 l 8,46 Euro l SBO
Rosenborg will be heavily disappointed with their international campaign this year. They are sitting with zero points at the bottom of the table and have no hope of advancing to the next stage. So the two remaining matches are just some training matches for them. They scored only once and played under 3 of 4 matches. Linz is doing pretty good in this group with the two big names of Sporting and PSV. They were very competitive against both of them, even owning the H2H with PSV. A win today paired with a loss of PSV would already secure qualification for next stage. But they can very well live with a draw here too as it leaves all possibilities open for the last match against Sporting at home. Rosenborg probably doesn't care a lot about this match and temperatures will be below zero, which always favours the under a bit. I expect a boring game, where Linz will look not to concede first and then probably go for the 3 points in a slightly more offensive approach in second half.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 29, 2019, 12:45:11 PM
#52 l Lazio - Cluj l under 2,5 l 2,29 l 8,63 Euro l SBO
#53 l Rosenborg - Linz l under 2,5 l 2,21 l 8,46 Euro l SBO

Bank: 434,25 Euro
W/L: 22-31
Yield: -14,54%

#54 l Karlsruhe - Regensburg l under 2,5 l 2,56 l 8,69 Euro l SBO
I actually think this game will go over, but I think the odds for under have some value. Both teams are very overish, with Karlsruhe being 9-5 and Regensburg even 10-4. If you take a closer look though, Karlsruhe have been very overish in away games, while Regensburg have been very overish in home games. Karlsruhe at home is just 3-3 and Regensburg away 4-3. While Karlsruhe is not losing very often, they also don't win very often, looks like they just love to split the points with 1-1 being their "favourite" result for that. The odds for 1X2 are completely wrong in my book, so I see a win for Regensburg here. That would mean that Karlsruhe is not allowed to score here for that to happen and the match resulting in a under. They scored in every home game thus far, so it's seems kind of likely that they will score today as well. If they fail to do so, I could very well see this one going under with a result like 0-1/0-2 then.

#55 l Schalke - Union l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,51 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 30, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
#54 l Karlsruhe - Regensburg l under 2,5 l 2,56 l 8,69 Euro l SBO
#55 l Schalke - Union l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 8,51 Euro l Dafabet

Schalke was close, the Karlsruhe match I totally misread.

Bank: 417,05 Euro
W/L: 22-33
Yield: -17,68%

#56 l Nuremberg - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,53 l 8,34 Euro l Pinnacle
Nuremberg with their new coach will still try to look for more defensive stability, which already resulted in a 0-0 in their derby against Fürth the other week. Wehen is still trying with a more defensive approach, which got them quite successful after a horrible start to the season. Last match at home against Kiel though, they found themselves in a shootout again and lost 3-6, more like an icehockey scoreline. So for today, they will want to stop the goal flood and Nuremberg is not the team to score that easily like Kiel did. Nuremberg will want to take those 3 points whatever it takes and they might even explode today, but odds for under are tasty in what I expect to be a borefest.

#57 l St. Pauli - Hannover l under 2,5 l 2,03 l 8,17 Euro l SBO
Both teams will be pretty disappointed with their season so far, as they were expecting to be contenders for promotion and now see themselves at the bottom of the table. Problem is their lack of creativity, they are just not able to dominate the happenings on the pitch and mostly rely on their opponents mistakes. Hannover with their new defensive-minded coach will look for a clean sheet here in first place here. They just conceded too much in the past and it's hard to win games like that. I expect them to sit back and look for counterattacks, while St. Pauli always has troubles scoring against well organized teams.

#58 l Köln - Augsburg l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 8,01 Euro l Pinnacle
#59 l Berlin - Dortmund l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 7,85 Euro l Marathon
#60 l Hoffenheim - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,50 l 7,69 Euro l Pinnacle
#61 l Paderborn - Leipzig l under 3,5 l 2,10 l 7,54 Euro l Pinnacle
#62 l Bayern - Leverkusen l under 3,5 l 2,12 l 7,39 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on November 30, 2019, 09:56:56 PM
#56 l Nuremberg - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,53 l 8,34 Euro l Pinnacle
#57 l St. Pauli - Hannover l under 2,5 l 2,03 l 8,17 Euro l SBO
#58 l Köln - Augsburg l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 8,01 Euro l Pinnacle
#59 l Berlin - Dortmund l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 7,85 Euro l Marathon
#60 l Hoffenheim - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,50 l 7,69 Euro l Pinnacle
#61 l Paderborn - Leipzig l under 3,5 l 2,10 l 7,54 Euro l Pinnacle
#62 l Bayern - Leverkusen l under 3,5 l 2,12 l 7,39 Euro l Dafabet

Good day, yield only one-figure negative for now :D

Bank: 452,02 Euro
W/L: 27-35
Yield: -9,15%

#63 l Heidenheim - Fürth l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 9,04 Euro l Dafabet
I already wrote a lot about Fürth in the past; they are just not able to utilize their good offensive players correctly and often struggle to the find the net, while being well organized defensively. Heidenheim is pretty similar team and I expect both teams to neutralize each other in midfield and keep the ball away from the boxes. Recent H2H strongly favours the under, last 7 matches between these two finished under. Good odds for my liking.

#64 l Mönchengladbach - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,59 l 8,86 Euro l Pinnacle
#65 l Wolfsburg - Bremen l under 2,5 l 2,24 l 8,68 Euro l Marathon
#66 l Mainz - Frankfurt i under 2,5 l 2,37 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle (already adding the Monday game)


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: efialtis on December 01, 2019, 12:42:47 PM
#56 l Nuremberg - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,53 l 8,34 Euro l Pinnacle
#57 l St. Pauli - Hannover l under 2,5 l 2,03 l 8,17 Euro l SBO
#58 l Köln - Augsburg l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 8,01 Euro l Pinnacle
#59 l Berlin - Dortmund l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 7,85 Euro l Marathon
#60 l Hoffenheim - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,50 l 7,69 Euro l Pinnacle
#61 l Paderborn - Leipzig l under 3,5 l 2,10 l 7,54 Euro l Pinnacle
#62 l Bayern - Leverkusen l under 3,5 l 2,12 l 7,39 Euro l Dafabet

Good day, yield only one-figure negative for now :D

Bank: 452,02 Euro
W/L: 27-35
Yield: -9,15%

#63 l Heidenheim - Fürth l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 9,04 Euro l Dafabet
I already wrote a lot about Fürth in the past; they are just not able to utilize their good offensive players correctly and often struggle to the find the net, while being well organized defensively. Heidenheim is pretty similar team and I expect both teams to neutralize each other in midfield and keep the ball away from the boxes. Recent H2H strongly favours the under, last 7 matches between these two finished under. Good odds for my liking.

#64 l Mönchengladbach - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,59 l 8,86 Euro l Pinnacle
#65 l Wolfsburg - Bremen l under 2,5 l 2,24 l 8,68 Euro l Marathon
#66 l Mainz - Frankfurt i under 2,5 l 2,37 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle (already adding the Monday game)

Vestenbergsgreuth (:D) just missed an early penalty - they suck so hard, lol.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 01, 2019, 12:50:15 PM
Vestenbergsgreuth (:D) just missed an early penalty - they suck so hard, lol.

lol, yes, indeed. And it was kind of wide missed ;D But just shows how low in confidence their strikers are, when some defensive scrub has to take the penalties for them. But it wasn't a penalty in first place anyway, so justice has been served :D


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 06, 2019, 12:08:40 PM
#63 l Heidenheim - Fürth l under 2,5 l 2,17 l 9,04 Euro l Dafabet
#64 l Mönchengladbach - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,59 l 8,86 Euro l Pinnacle
#65 l Wolfsburg - Bremen l under 2,5 l 2,24 l 8,68 Euro l Marathon
#66 l Mainz - Frankfurt i under 2,5 l 2,37 l 8,51 Euro l Pinnacle (already adding the Monday game)

GER1 was going bonkers again.

Bank: 436,55 Euro
W/L: 28-38
Yield: -11,34%

#67 l Hamburg - Heidenheim l under 2,5 l 2,28 l 8,73 Euro l Marathon
Hamburg are struggling mightily. Since whiping the floor with Stuttgart some weeks ago, they have not been the same, which is something you can often witness after a huge game/win. They have troubles scoring and Heidenheim is one of the best teams defensively and always plays very organized. Heidenheim won't invest a lot into this game and just sit back and rely on counter attacks. I doubt that this Hamburg team with their poorish form are able to score that easily today. And Heidenheim probably won't score at all. 0-0 or 1-1 for me.

#68 l Frankurt - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,47 l 8,56 Euro l Marathon


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 07, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
#67 l Hamburg - Heidenheim l under 2,5 l 2,28 l 8,73 Euro l Marathon
#68 l Frankurt - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,47 l 8,56 Euro l Marathon

Bank: 439,16 Euro
W/L: 29-39
Yield: -10,55%

#69 l Fürth - Bochum l under 2,5 l 2,25 l 8,78 Euro l SBO
I will keep riding the unders with Fürth. They are still struggling offensively and have failed to score the last two matches, while only conceding once. Bochum is on a good run lately and their matches haven't been that crazy anymore. They found some defensive stability and thus have slowed down in scoring as well.

#70 l Hannover - Aue l under 2,5 l 1,99 l 8,61 Euro l Dafabet
Aue has slowed down a lot after a fantastic start to the season. They are also back to their old playing style - sitting back, good defending and mostly relying on counter attacks. Hannover, under their new coach, are still pathetic. They managed to get 3 points the other week, but 0-0 would have been the fair result. Can't see Hannover scoring easily here, while they don't want to give Aue any space for counter attacks. Expecting a boring 90 minutes here.

#71 l Augsburg - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,33 i 8,44 Euro l Dafabet
#72 l Mönchengladbach - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,05 l 8,27 Euro l Dafabet
#73 l Dortmund - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,80 l 8,10 Euro l Pinnacle
#74 l Freiburg - Wolfsburg l under 2,5 l 1,92 l 7,94 Euro l SBO
#75 l Leipzig - Hoffenheim l under 3,5 l 1,84 l 7,78 Euro l Dafabet
#76 l Leverkusen - Schalke l under 2,5 l 2,29 l 7,62 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 08, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
#69 l Fürth - Bochum l under 2,5 l 2,25 l 8,78 Euro l SBO
#70 l Hannover - Aue l under 2,5 l 1,99 l 8,61 Euro l Dafabet
#71 l Augsburg - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,33 i 8,44 Euro l Dafabet
#72 l Mönchengladbach - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,05 l 8,27 Euro l Dafabet
#73 l Dortmund - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,80 l 8,10 Euro l Pinnacle
#74 l Freiburg - Wolfsburg l under 2,5 l 1,92 l 7,94 Euro l SBO
#75 l Leipzig - Hoffenheim l under 3,5 l 1,84 l 7,78 Euro l Dafabet
#76 l Leverkusen - Schalke l under 2,5 l 2,29 l 7,62 Euro l Dafabet

Some late goals made that a very bad day.

Bank: 405,82 Euro
W/L: 31-45
Yield: -14,67%

#77 l Wehen - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,18 l 8,12 Euro l Marathon
Wehen has had 5 unders in their last 6 with a goal difference of 3-2. The over against Kiel at home was of course some crazy result with 3-6. But Darmstadt is not Kiel. They themselves always play very cautious and are very limited offensively. Wehen has only scored 1 goal on average at home, while Darmstadt doesn't even manage 1 goal on average on away games. If both teams stick with their controlled approach, we can expect a very boring game with few goals.

#78 l Union - Köln l under 2,5 l 2,08 l 7,95 Euro l Dafabet
#79 l Bremen - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,11 l 7,79 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 10, 2019, 12:47:36 PM
#77 l Wehen - Darmstadt l under 2,5 l 2,18 l 8,12 Euro l Marathon
#78 l Union - Köln l under 2,5 l 2,08 l 7,95 Euro l Dafabet
#79 l Bremen - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,11 l 7,79 Euro l Dafabet

Thats the way (uh-huh uh-huh) I like it ;)

Bank: 432,63 Euro
W/L: 34-45
Yield: -10,11%

#80 l Inter - Barcelona l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 8,65 Euro l Dafabet
The scenario for Inter to advance to next stage is pretty simple: just win. A win will put them in 2nd place in this group, no matter the outcome of the Dortmund match, as Inter has won the H2H against the german side. Barcelona already has 1st place in this group secured and thus will rest some players tonight. Italian teams tend to just only do what is necessary and a 1-0 would be enough today. I don't think Barca will invest a lot into this game; they will sit back and try to defend well to not raise any concerns of helping Inter out here and gifting the 3 points to them. If Inter takes the lead, fine, if not, fine too. Inter doesn't have to rush things, there is 90 minutes time to score that one goal.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 13, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
#80 l Inter - Barcelona l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 8,65 Euro l Dafabet

Late goal here again :P

Thought we would see loads of goals in the CL/EL matches as there were some do or die matches and otoh lots of meaningless matches, but there were actually more unders than expected, but I didn't dare.

Bank: 423,98 Euro
W/L: 34-46
Yield: -11,27%

I don't like the odds for the unders in GER2 today and actually think we will see a lot of goals, so no bets there (watch both going under now ::) ). Only bet is the standard under for GER1.

# 81 l Hoffenheim - Augsburg l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 8,48 Euro l Marathon


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 14, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
# 81 l Hoffenheim - Augsburg l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 8,48 Euro l Marathon

Just 6 goals ::)

Bank: 415,50 Euro
W/L: 34-47
Yield: -12,37%

#82 l St. Pauli - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,31 Euro l SBO
Wehen now with 6 unders out of their last 7, with the goal difference in the under matches still being 3-2, as they had a scoreless draw against Darmstadt last week. Wehen will continue their cautious approach and St. Pauli isn't the team to score easily against such an opponent. They are on a very poor run at the moment and can't get a lot going offensvely, while doing ok-ish in defense. Weather will be very bad and I expect the 90 minutes to be just like that as well.

#83 l Köln - Leverkusen l under 2,5 l 2,42 l 8,14 Euro l Dafabet
#84 l Bayern - Bremen l under 3,5 l 2,63 l 7,98 Euro l Marathon
#85 l Berlin - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,09 l 7,82 Euro l Marathon
#86 l Mainz - Dortmund l under 3,5 l 1,77 l 7,67 Euro l Marathon
#87 l Paderborn - Union l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 7,51 Euro l Marathon
#88 l Düsseldorf - Leipizig l under 2,5 l 2,91 l 7,36 Euro l Pinnacle


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 15, 2019, 11:55:32 AM
#82 l St. Pauli - Wehen l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,31 Euro l SBO
#83 l Köln - Leverkusen l under 2,5 l 2,42 l 8,14 Euro l Dafabet
#84 l Bayern - Bremen l under 3,5 l 2,63 l 7,98 Euro l Marathon
#85 l Berlin - Freiburg l under 2,5 l 2,09 l 7,82 Euro l Marathon
#86 l Mainz - Dortmund l under 3,5 l 1,77 l 7,67 Euro l Marathon
#87 l Paderborn - Union l under 2,5 l 2,38 l 7,51 Euro l Marathon
#88 l Düsseldorf - Leipizig l under 2,5 l 2,91 l 7,36 Euro l Pinnacle

Bank: 414,63 Euro
W/L: 37-51
Yield: -11,57%

#89 l Osnabrück - Dresden l under 2,5 l 1,95 l 8,29 Euro l Pinnacle
Dresden has a new coach who liked to play rather defensively in the past. Dresden isn't the team to put up some offensive fireworks anyway due to their lack of good offensive players. First goal for them (and especially the coach) will be to not lose here. Osnabrück is on a tremendous run lately. They started the season rather poorly and are unbeaten since 7 rounds, beating the best teams in GER2. These teams they played lately (Bochum, Kiel, Stuttgart, Hamburg) all have one thing in common and that is, that they like to control the game and don't sit back, which just suits Osnabrück perfectly. Now this Dresden team will take another approach and it will be up to Osnabrück to dictate things on the pitch, which just isn't there strength. Osnabrück will struggle offensively against a defensive-minded team and Dresden will probably be happy with something like 0-0/1-1 here and won't open up later in the game.

#90 l Wolfsburg - Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,13 Euro l Dafabet
#91 l Schalke -. Frankfurt l under 2,5 l 2,37 l 7,96 Euro l Pinnacle


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 16, 2019, 01:48:54 PM
#89 l Osnabrück - Dresden l under 2,5 l 1,95 l 8,29 Euro l Pinnacle
#90 l Wolfsburg - Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 8,13 Euro l Dafabet
#91 l Schalke -. Frankfurt l under 2,5 l 2,37 l 7,96 Euro l Pinnacle

Another late goal ruined the day :P

Bank: 409,12 Euro
W/L: 38-53
Yield: -11,92%

No value in todays GER2 match and I think it will go over anyway. There is a mid-week round in GER1 and this will be the last 9 plays for this little experiment and learning how it feels to play under in football on a regular basis (it doesn't feel all too good :D )

#92 l Bremen - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,80 l 8,18 Euro l Pinnacle
#93 l Augsburg - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,36 l 8,02 Euro l Pinnacle
#94 l Dortmund - Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,79 l 7,86 Euro l Pinnacle
#95 l Union - Hoffenheim l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 7,70 Euro l SBO
#96 l Leverkusen - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,61 l 7,55 Euro l Pinnacle
#97 l Mönchengladbach - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,25 l 7,40 Euro l SBO
#98 l Frankfurt - Köln l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 7,25 Euro l Marathon
#99 l Freiburg - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,20 l 7,10 Euro l Marathon
#100 l Wolfsburg - Schalke l under 2,5 l 1,85 l 6,96 Euro l Dafabet


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: tyKiwanuka on December 18, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
#92 l Bremen - Mainz l under 2,5 l 2,80 l 8,18 Euro l Pinnacle
#93 l Augsburg - Düsseldorf l under 2,5 l 2,36 l 8,02 Euro l Pinnacle
#94 l Dortmund - Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,79 l 7,86 Euro l Pinnacle
#95 l Union - Hoffenheim l under 2,5 l 2,12 l 7,70 Euro l SBO
#96 l Leverkusen - Hertha l under 2,5 l 2,61 l 7,55 Euro l Pinnacle
#97 l Mönchengladbach - Paderborn l under 3,5 l 2,25 l 7,40 Euro l SBO
#98 l Frankfurt - Köln l under 2,5 l 2,49 l 7,25 Euro l Marathon
#99 l Freiburg - Bayern l under 3,5 l 2,20 l 7,10 Euro l Marathon
#100 l Wolfsburg - Schalke l under 2,5 l 1,85 l 6,96 Euro l Dafabet

At least bet #100 was a winner. #99 should have been a winner too, but Bayern decided to score two in injury time :D

Bank: 406,65 Euro (-93,35 Euro)
Staked: 830,34 Euro
Returned: 736,99 Euro
Avg. Stake: 8,30 Euro
Avg. Odds: 2,22
W/L: 42-58
Yield: -11,24%

The numbers don't look very good, but probably still better than with a lot of those addicted gamblers in here. I lost 96,13 Euro with the first 24 bets, which means I was able to break-even with the following 76 bets. Breaking-even is not what I want when betting though. Adding to that the discomfort of having an under bet and all those heartbreaking late goals, makes me not want to play under bets on a regular basis - at least not without trading them.
A lot of times the bets looked really good for a long time, but were ruined in the later stages of the games. So having pre-match unders for selected matches and laying off some liabilty during the course of the game should be a profitable thing. But it's still nerve-wrecking to watch a match and be scared all the time ;D So this is only for the very cold-blooded people who can act in a robotic way while betting/trading.

Thanks for following and Happy Holidays to everyone :)


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Ucy on December 19, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
I think this is a bet that few players like to play it.I think that the reason is easy enough to understand,when playing Under in the moment that a more number of goals are scored the bet is lost while by playing Over your hopes of winning the bet remains alive for a more amount of time and Over happens more than Under I think.I rarely have played Under and almost always have lost the bet so I can understand your pain.The same can be said for both teams to score,when playing yes you have hopes until the end of the game,when playing no if both teams score the bet is lost and that is the reason many players play the yes option.

I understood what Op is trying to say, after reading your post.
Well, I doubt I would watch a match after betting on either one of the bet types. Watching the match could cause alot of tension.. . You'll be expecting a win and the win has to be specific to your bet.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: huige007 on December 20, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
I think this is a bet that few players like to play it.I think that the reason is easy enough to understand,when playing Under in the moment that a more number of goals are scored the bet is lost while by playing Over your hopes of winning the bet remains alive for a more amount of time and Over happens more than Under I think.I rarely have played Under and almost always have lost the bet so I can understand your pain.The same can be said for both teams to score,when playing yes you have hopes until the end of the game,when playing no if both teams score the bet is lost and that is the reason many players play the yes option.

I understood what Op is trying to say, after reading your post.
Well, I doubt I would watch a match after betting on either one of the bet types. Watching the match could cause alot of tension.. . You'll be expecting a win and the win has to be specific to your bet.
Before betting on any team, you shall gather information enough about the team by going through their history of matches. Well when you bet on any team, it is great to directly go for results than watching match because every time your time seems losing you die with them even more than them. I never watch any game on which I bet but I believe we shall watch the game so that next time we choose right team if things go against expectations.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Slow death on December 20, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
Another late goal ruined the day :P

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/79/04/b8/7904b81f7abe9adc15635c5709aafe5e.gif

I thought that this only just happened to me, look at my losses:

Vitória FC vs Rio Ave FC match -0-5 (under 2,5) I lost

Sporting CP - FC Famalicão - 1-2 (under 2,5) I lost

GD Estoril Beach - Benfica Sl - 3-0 (under 2,5) I lost

Djibouti - Eritreia - 0 - 3 (under 2,5) I lost

FC Shakhtar Donetsk - Atalanta BC - 0 - 3 (under 2,5) I lost

for some reason I never win a bet of under 2.5, goals. The goals always come in with less than 5 minutes left for the game to end


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Shimmiry on December 26, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
I think this is a bet that few players like to play it.I think that the reason is easy enough to understand,when playing Under in the moment that a more number of goals are scored the bet is lost while by playing Over your hopes of winning the bet remains alive for a more amount of time and Over happens more than Under I think.I rarely have played Under and almost always have lost the bet so I can understand your pain.The same can be said for both teams to score,when playing yes you have hopes until the end of the game,when playing no if both teams score the bet is lost and that is the reason many players play the yes option.

I understood what Op is trying to say, after reading your post.
Well, I doubt I would watch a match after betting on either one of the bet types. Watching the match could cause alot of tension.. . You'll be expecting a win and the win has to be specific to your bet.
Before betting on any team, you shall gather information enough about the team by going through their history of matches. Well when you bet on any team, it is great to directly go for results than watching match because every time your time seems losing you die with them even more than them. I never watch any game on which I bet but I believe we shall watch the game so that next time we choose right team if things go against expectations.

Most of the people love of playing sports, and we have our different kind of bias like in football there is an overwhelming and excitement flowing into our veins. If our favourite team score to their matches, but now there is more excitement introduce by the online gambling that is sports betting. Many people love to play this kind of game because in sports betting there is a lot of ways that you can earn knowledge and profit. Today it is not hard to find information and analysis of the player and the team, by the use of the internet we have different sources to use and find out where is the best team and which is the good one to bet and win our game. But in every game, this always happens there is a good team versus our favourite team. We are curious about the scoring system if they will go for an above or an under. Both choices are risky, but by the use of data, we gather we can now identify which one of the options, there is a lot of pressure if you are betting on the under because even it has the most significant odds it has the most prominent risk too.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: senne on January 08, 2020, 04:32:50 AM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it. Who in this world is watching/following a football match and doesn’t want to see goals scored ? Unless you are fan of a team of course and want it to win…..but even then, if your team is leading 2-0 you would be biting your nails and hope your team DOES NOT to score another goal – this is just madness.

The problem with this is, that I think there is loads of value in playing unders, just because people love playing overs and thus the odds are driven down a lot often times. This threads purpose is to get rid of my under-phobia and I will document my possible healing publicly.

I will mainly stick with german competitions (GER1, GER2 and Cup) mixing it up with other leagues every now and then if I stumble across something, in my opinion, worthwhile. If this whole thing isn’t too nerve-wrecking, I will try to play 100 unders and see where I stand after that.

I will start with only 500,- Euro and stake 2% flat to prevent any heart attacks. Will do short write-ups for the bets I am playing.

The first bets for todays cup matches in Germany:

#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
Kaiserslautern sort of underish team, especially at home. For today they will probably park the bus and go on from there. Nuremberg has huge trouble against defensive-minded teams so I don’t see lots of goals scored.

#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
Both teams very well organized and with troubles scoring lately. Wolfsburg has played under in 8 of their 13 matches this season and they will probably sit back first and watch how things unfold, while Leipzig isn’t the most confident team in the world right now as well. Their Bundesliga match some days ago in Leipzig ended 1-1.

#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
Dortmund really poor right now, only scored one goal in their last 3 matches, but only conceded twice as well. Gladbach rather underish tendency on travels, Bundesliga match some days ago ended 1-0.

#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365
Aue has surprised me this season. There is lots of goals scored in their matches this season, but I don’t see them doing anything for the game today. They will sit back and look for counter attacks. Düsseldorf is missing some important creative players and are not the most confident team right now, so they will struggle to find the back of the net against this Aue team.


I dont generally play and bet on unders as the probability of winning is really low. Until I am sure of their win, I stay away from betting on them. No doubt that if they win and you have your money placed on them , they give really high gains and can be rewarding. But with high reward comes high risk.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: djsugar on January 08, 2020, 07:02:47 PM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it. Who in this world is watching/following a football match and doesn’t want to see goals scored ? Unless you are fan of a team of course and want it to win…..but even then, if your team is leading 2-0 you would be biting your nails and hope your team DOES NOT to score another goal – this is just madness.

The problem with this is, that I think there is loads of value in playing unders, just because people love playing overs and thus the odds are driven down a lot often times. This threads purpose is to get rid of my under-phobia and I will document my possible healing publicly.

I will mainly stick with german competitions (GER1, GER2 and Cup) mixing it up with other leagues every now and then if I stumble across something, in my opinion, worthwhile. If this whole thing isn’t too nerve-wrecking, I will try to play 100 unders and see where I stand after that.

I will start with only 500,- Euro and stake 2% flat to prevent any heart attacks. Will do short write-ups for the bets I am playing.

The first bets for todays cup matches in Germany:

#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
Kaiserslautern sort of underish team, especially at home. For today they will probably park the bus and go on from there. Nuremberg has huge trouble against defensive-minded teams so I don’t see lots of goals scored.

#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
Both teams very well organized and with troubles scoring lately. Wolfsburg has played under in 8 of their 13 matches this season and they will probably sit back first and watch how things unfold, while Leipzig isn’t the most confident team in the world right now as well. Their Bundesliga match some days ago in Leipzig ended 1-1.

#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
Dortmund really poor right now, only scored one goal in their last 3 matches, but only conceded twice as well. Gladbach rather underish tendency on travels, Bundesliga match some days ago ended 1-0.

#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365
Aue has surprised me this season. There is lots of goals scored in their matches this season, but I don’t see them doing anything for the game today. They will sit back and look for counter attacks. Düsseldorf is missing some important creative players and are not the most confident team right now, so they will struggle to find the back of the net against this Aue team.


The rewards are indeed high while betting and winning on unders but the risk is equally high and also comes with higher probability. Going with the majority gives you much stronger chances to win but less. Also predictions available for unders are less and sometimes not the one to listen to. Bet on the unders if you are really sure and do follow that sport with passion to try your luck.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: SummerBliss on January 13, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
Does anyone of you play unders in Football ? I basically never did it and the few times I did, I hated it. Who in this world is watching/following a football match and doesn’t want to see goals scored ? Unless you are fan of a team of course and want it to win…..but even then, if your team is leading 2-0 you would be biting your nails and hope your team DOES NOT to score another goal – this is just madness.

The problem with this is, that I think there is loads of value in playing unders, just because people love playing overs and thus the odds are driven down a lot often times. This threads purpose is to get rid of my under-phobia and I will document my possible healing publicly.

I will mainly stick with german competitions (GER1, GER2 and Cup) mixing it up with other leagues every now and then if I stumble across something, in my opinion, worthwhile. If this whole thing isn’t too nerve-wrecking, I will try to play 100 unders and see where I stand after that.

I will start with only 500,- Euro and stake 2% flat to prevent any heart attacks. Will do short write-ups for the bets I am playing.

The first bets for todays cup matches in Germany:

#1 l CUPGER l Kaiserslautern – Nuremberg I under 2,5 l 2,08 l 10,00 Euro l Dafabet
Kaiserslautern sort of underish team, especially at home. For today they will probably park the bus and go on from there. Nuremberg has huge trouble against defensive-minded teams so I don’t see lots of goals scored.

#2 l CUPGER l Wolfsburg – Leipzig l under 2,5 l 2,20 l 9,80 Euro l bwin
Both teams very well organized and with troubles scoring lately. Wolfsburg has played under in 8 of their 13 matches this season and they will probably sit back first and watch how things unfold, while Leipzig isn’t the most confident team in the world right now as well. Their Bundesliga match some days ago in Leipzig ended 1-1.

#3 l CUPGER l Dortmund – Gladbach l under 2,5 l 2,58 l 9,60 Euro l Pinnacle
Dortmund really poor right now, only scored one goal in their last 3 matches, but only conceded twice as well. Gladbach rather underish tendency on travels, Bundesliga match some days ago ended 1-0.

#4 l CUPGER l Düsseldorf – Aue l under 2,5 l 2,30 l 9,41 Euro l Bet365
Aue has surprised me this season. There is lots of goals scored in their matches this season, but I don’t see them doing anything for the game today. They will sit back and look for counter attacks. Düsseldorf is missing some important creative players and are not the most confident team right now, so they will struggle to find the back of the net against this Aue team.


Beside cup matches being risky , I hate betting on unders. Although the reward is many a times but risk associated is also high. Also , if you consider many review pre match sites , they also go for the uppers. You should very well know the facets of the game and have guts to really bet for the unders. Good luck for future games brother.


Title: Re: The pain of playing unders in Football
Post by: Aikidoka on January 13, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
Agreed with the poster who said unders for goals in any league is very risky.
I barely bet on german league games but most of the time I see over 2 goals scored by each team every time.
Yeah betting by under in football games is too risky, I mean most of games gets a lot of goals usually in the most of leagues so in my opinion over 1.5 is seems so good in the most of the games.