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usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

To me, it seems like the market is moving its usual state. An up and down movement, just relax and be patient i know this is just a temporary fall. If the market has a dump before the jump then this is it but don't just expect too much because there is nothing in particular that would make the market to pump beyond $9,000 at this time. You may think it is being manipulated but this is how the market move.

I think the market looks stable, bitcoin doesn't fall too far, so it's safe now. maybe this is just a small rally, so don't worry. it's too fast to think the market is manipulated just because of this. halving is still too long, maybe about 6 months. so there's no way the hype started this fast.

Tell me when the market isnclearly not manipulated?

Bitcoin is really bringing full control of our assets, our funds, our everything. But the system, no matter it is decentralized or centralized will be being manipulated by some few people. Who are manipulating this? Those who has enough power to move the market chart.

It is always manipulated.

oh man, the market is definitally manipulated, the bigger question is by whom? and how? would be curious to know the answers
The stuff that's illegal big time in traditional markets is either not illegal or not enforceable in crypto, so best believe it happens, too tempting not too imo
the potential is just too high for massive profits so i bet institutional whales do it all day

The pump was the manipulation and not the dump, look at the abnormally high volume we got during that pump, it was fabricated to make people to buy bitcoin and make its price higher so the whales could sell their coins for a more expensive price, the decrease in the price we are seeing is happening without too much volume, which means many are selling and there are few buyers, so there is almost no resistance to the negative movement of bitcoin, this should tell you there was never enough support for the price to go any higher.

The market is always being manipulated.  With bitcoin less and less the higher the volume gets, it takes much more capital than in the past to move the market one way or the other.  But alt markets are always being toyed with.  The volume is just too small to avoid these manipulations.  Always be careful of spikes in either direction it's usually a game being played.

It is possible to manipulate the market in crypto-space which is why we have people that we called whales but sometimes the market just react naturally to the crypto holders wants. I was thinking that the reason of sudden fall is maybe because of the up-coming Christmas season and this thing happens every year wherein a lot of people convert their crypto in fiat currency to buy something earlier before November ends because this is the right time where you could get Christmas gifts much cheaper.

I have the same thought with you. Their manipulation strategy is really good. They are trying to buy bitcoins cheaply now. try to create fake buying forces to cheat traders and then continue to manipulate to get more bitcoins.
when the halving event is coming, when the price of bitcoin peaks, they will put all their money to Short order and sell bitcoin out of the market to execute the order.
That is my opinion and is also considered a good opportunity to buy bitcoin now.

Seriously, nothing is wrong with the crypto market because the market momentum in terms of demand and supply have proof market not strengthen. Mind you, if you can back the historical record of the market when we're approaching halving year the market usually experience a lot of manipulation.
Meanwhile, I will advice you not to expect much from the market this year Q4 and next year Q1.

We feel bad in every bitcoin and good altcoins price decline but this is not the right time to mood off! Wise people were waiting for the price down, so they can buy cheap and fill their bags before the halving. It's almost confirmed, at least history says that after every Bitcoin halving, the price went a new all-time high zone. So, if the market is being manipulated now, then that is a blessing for everyone if you get the point here! I agree with you that this decline is the last price drop before it goes to the moon!

if you think that bitcoin market being manipulated i think it's impossible because you need larger capital so you can manipulate the bitcoin price
but it's different if you choose other altcoins that just released it's easy to manipulate their prices as long you had enough capital

The market is indeed being manipulated and it can't be helped. It is because of leverage trading. The larger the move, the larger the profits. Traders don't profit in a stable market. These whales push the price where there are many stops so that they get triggered adding more selling or buying depending where they want the price to go.

the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

https://btcplaymania.com/blog/images/bitcoin-whales1-btcplaymania.png

We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

I supported what you said but the reason why some people believed the market to be manipulated is because of the volatility in nature of crypto market. Meanwhile, there's always a reason behind every trend posed by the market and current trend was slightly market correction which usually occur every Q4 of the year which is not block halving year. However, we have a situation where the whales are the one behind the market status.

To do this requires a lot of experience in investing and is not always fortunate to earn high profits from this market. Whales may have a very important role in the market but most are the ones who want to manipulate and they will sell all when the profit is high. For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so the risk of investment can absolutely happen at any time.

I think any financial market is risky and can either help an investor to make a profit or cause that investor to lose all his assets.

talking whether manipulation in the market is intentional or not, in my opinion it is possible and impossible, we as one of the traders for example can only predict and guess, measure the charts from time to time and then conclude. My experience in seeing the movement of BTC from year to year is like that, but as an exception for 2018 it can be said that in 2015-2016 it is very unpredictable because the price of people predicts that for the end of the year BTC will rise and before rising BTC will decrease in price , but what happened in that year BTC even decreased, just like in 2018, well recently in 2019 the BTC began to creep up. Maybe it can be concluded that the price cycle of the BTC is not even per year but every two years. And of course these events are usually marked by events such as halving or others. For Altcoins I think altcoin is waiting and following how BTC moves. If BTC is indeed confused and always asks who owns BTC to be able to move the price revolution in the market, while Altcoins can clearly be held by investors, communities or others, so altcoin or tokens do follow how BTC takes action from time to time.

This no manipulation. There is nothing manipulated in today's decline in prices. There was probably a few big Bitcoin investors who are dumping their coins. That is is very normal. Sometimes, one dumps, another time one buys causing a pump. This manipulation theory has been passing around as if everything that is happening within crypto is an act of one person or two who is like a god in controlling and manipulating everything.

What you have been mentioned in your first paragraph is something that happened before, there have been some bitcoin futures contract and bakkt. After that, the trend in the market has drastically changed to a different way like when bitcoin can hold the upper value and then it gets a downtrend.

It's not a downfall before the pump. The market has already changed into the way that put the usability at the top of everything to create FOMO. I'm not sure about that when you are seeing how litecoin was going back again to the bottom after the hype of halving has brought litecoin to the top. That is not how the market works today. Why were the whales pumping it in the past due to the bakkt? If the whales can get cheap bitcoin at that time.

There is no particular signal for the manipulation and there is also no signal for the market to come bullish again. We cant control those whales and we dont even know their buying and selling patern for us to say that they are manipulating the market.

Why do you think the market is being manipulated? Only the price went down to $300-$400 and this is the usual normal state of the BTC. Also, the price is always pumped up to any price, and the price can not be pumped without stopping. It needs to stop somewhere and regather power. Do not be afraid of this fall, this is just a small price fall, prepare for the next pump.

Yeah i think because the whales want to buy bitcoin with lower price before they pump it. So, if they failed to make the market to a bull run, at least they can take profits for selling with higher price before. But this is in a short term. And associated with BTC halving i'm sure the whales are ready with their own strategies and it might be surpriced us in the future. So be ready for any strategies that whales will make and be ready with any market condition.

how can a market as large as crypto be manipulated ??
people just speculate and guess where the market is going, doesn't mean that someone can manipulate this market, for me it is not possible to manipulate the market as you wish.

Yes
Trust me, the marketcap is just way too small where whales/institutions/rich players could likely push the market with just a minor amount

Look at those Pump and Dump
a 200+ BTC instant dump could crash few hundred in certain exchanges where it also trigger a domino effect to all exchange

So yes, the current marketcap is now too small where it can be easily violate and manipulate

There are many theories on this and yours is just one of this, and every coin has theories on what could be the reason why the coin is going down or going up, every coin has whales behind them and manipulators, but the best indication besides these whales and manipulators are the news and ongoing development of the coin or project, in the case of Bitcoin I consider this as some traders going for exit profit, but there's no doubt Bitcoin will go up because of the halving..

No I market cap is not too large and it's really easy to manipulate the price, if you don't think that the market cannot be manipulated then what's driving this fluctuations wherein all of a sudden we see pump or dump as its not possible with the normal transactions which we make. I would suggest you to check the sell orders of big exchanges just after dump and you will understand the concept.

Right from the start for me i think everything is manipulated, we know how big whales manipulate the price but we can't recognize every minute. Most of the whales attacks any other whales in the market in short they both want to manipulate the price like for example putting a big wall in selling or buying to push the price uo or down it is a kind of manipulation and when they think the order can be eaten they will remove the wall simply called manipulation or dictating the price to go in either direction.

your thoughts are not wrong we are undergoing correction but it is unlikely to fall deeper so $8,000 is the lowest price possible for later ,so be ready to see the pump later before the end of this month

If you think about that, maybe some other people possibly think about that too. If me, when i have same opinion with the OP about market is manipulated, maybe after i make sure it is really happen, i will very confident with my investment. For me, maybe believe with our analysis is good, and what should we do is how we make profit with it. If market manipulated, so what should we do is look for right moment when price dumped. And then buy some when that time really come.

I knew from the beginning the market had been manipulated, but that was not the question. I want to know, what is the purpose of manipulation that exists today. is this related to halving bitcoin or not? if not, then what is their purpose in manipulating the market other than to get profits when halving bitcoin later.

Less then 5% price declines are just normal daily behaviour of cryptocurrencies. Tomorrow they will gain those 5% back. Problem would be if coins would lose 5% every day.

yes, maybe this is indeed a market manipulation to welcome the update bitcoin for halving in the next year. the pump will occur, but not in the short term. later this month is also not necessarily good for the pump. the market is still in a bad state and it will be like this until the pump will actually start running.

In my opinion now market is manipulated in proportion of 65%, by whales, by bad news, by interest groups, and sometimes by people from governments even if not directly.

Yep, it's always the whales that has it behind the market but about the manipulation we don't really have an idea about the actual scene. I used to believe that it's been manipulated but no proof for that and just all the reports that it is.

The bad news do really pull the prices down but when we see some a bit of good news, we don't see the opposite of it.

of course it is not easy, because investing and trading are serious business. we have to spend much time and understand how the business works

and we have to learn from our experience, market often tells us something new. if we cant learn from the mistake, then we would fail

but, let it flow. just learning and never give up on the market. you'll understand how market works in the future and follow whales

It's far from impossible. Check the bitcoin holders top 100 list, the wealth is highly focused to few people, they can easily manipulate markets. Even though the buy and sell walls seem like they need large capital, it's peanuts for some of the players. And they are pseudonymous so we don't even know who they are. Same goes to all altcoins,

Everything look normal , like it always do so yes , markets are always manipulated but this shouldn't be an impediment for us to stay away and not investing into cryptocurrencies especially now , when the accumulate zone kicked in. Look at the volume in the last month at altcoins and you will see that most of them are into accumulation period and a lot of money are being trow into them with the purpose at some point this year some of them will rise.

For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so profit is always their top priority. In fact, this market has been manipulated for the past few years and no one can predict what they will do next because everything in the crypto market is very risky. In my opinion, it is best to learn carefully before investing because Bitcoin can also make you lose money.

I think this manipulation will only make the market worse as the current downtrend has not ended and we will face another bear market in the next few years. This is something no one expects but if they continue to speculate on the market, future of crypto will be very bad.

it might happen, I think, there is no crypto market that is not manipulated. all crypto markets are still manipulated. those whales can always make pumps and dumps on the market. yes, maybe now is the last decline before all markets have growth and create new high price levels. may all be over soon.

Yes definitely!  and for sure as usual its being manipulated by some greedy investors again, because in fact they are the common reason even before wherein why after the pump in bitcoin and several altcoin there's a sudden fall afterwards  . But so far the recent decline it's not even bad in my view because bitcoin still standing at 9k and keep showing strong support.  So as of now lets hope whales didn't interrupt. Because you know it can causes massive declined wherein for sure bitcoin will go back again to the bottom without knowing. .

its always been manipulated mate,specially when there are some news coming out and they will have a chance to manage the manipulation.

this has been happening for long years now though there are no proof but its an obvious scenario and theres nothing to think more.so dont just think that its only from recent but for many times already.

It's a matter of how good will you do your research and how you will anticipate the next market movement, It's tough to say if the project is accumulating or really fading and dying naturally. Most of those coins falls and unable to cope up since heavy dumped take place and nobody
wanted to reinvest and hold. You need to check every possibilities before taking your money inside investment.

It's also a pretty good conspiracy theory. I quite like your idea because it makes sense for market manipulations.
Now often sharks will try to push the price of bitcoin down so they can buy more and prepare for big pump in the future.
So we can follow the sharks by buying bitcoin now and hold until halving.

Imagine there are lots of addresses that currently holding a huge number of btc once it was moved in the market it will really affect the price but when if it is only moved without buying or trading then there is no sense of manipulation if it is for the sake of trading then there is a manipulation. Since the halving is near let us expect that those whales will be doing something to accumulate more coins in the market.

This market has been manipulated for a long time and they can control the value of Bitcoin at any time. If you look at the volatility of this market, you can be sure of that because both the uptrend and the downward trend are all unexpected and unpredictable. I think if you take advantage of that crash, you will be able to buy lots of cheap coins and can sell as soon as the market recovers.

I often wait for the market drop because it is a very good opportunity for everyone but need to be more careful because whales are the ones who control this market.

Not only the crypto market even the conventional market is being manipulated by people or groups or organizations. it is because someone has the power and authority to control the market, as long as it is invented by humans. manipulation will always exist. just follow the flow of the market if you do not want to get drowned, we are a tiny ship in the middle of the ocean.

   Yes, every market can be a subject of manipulations. We can't do a lot about it, we are don't have power to do anything. What
we can do is to try to follow big players and to try to stay alive.
   I'm here for long-term holding, manipulations don't affect my position too much. I believe this market will continue to grow with
time, and when it grows enough it will be harder to manipulate with it, it's my opinion.

Indeed manipulation has not yet proven, but I do believed that whales had a huge contribution why btc price surges and declined abruptly. Most traders who've been holding for so long, can determine the way it should and how the market goes in fairly. Most of the movement prevails through the recurring pattern, which can be seen as you're monitoring closely with the recent changes. We eventually see the usual circumstances that always tend to occur from the past, that has now happening all over again.

it may not been manipulated now but the issue here is the manipulation that has been happening in this market.

for how many times that when some issue arise market automatically move from pumping and sometimes dumping.

anyway market is now stabilizing and hopefully will grow in december

For something to be manipulated, it requires a manipulator.
Can we point in general direction of such person or persons? Organisations maybe? States? Yes/no?
There are even no vague conspiracy theories about it. Why it's so hard to acknowledge, that this experiment is really running free?
For the fist time in post 14th century world, we have something that resembles real, free market. Maybe this is how it just looks?
Just like that, volatile, rough around the edges, full of traps and crooks and so unpredictable that most choose to believe in a mastermind behind it all rather than convoluted, extremely complicated, dependencies rich mechanics.
Despite this, if someone believes that a manipulator is there, please post who that might be and justify it. 

No, it not every down trend occasion that occur in the market are through manipulation because the last 2months of the Q4 are holiday (Halloween, Christmas etc) time and people usually sell some portion of their holding or use their crypto to buy some stuff for the family.

 With what i have experienced so far about the crypto market every trend which occur without no proof of the market manipulated is definitely a logical occasion which always replicate in the market.

These manipulators or whales might be nameless now for their security purposes. But like how volatility happens it tends to become due. from the people who sells they're huge holding for some reason or for their reason that they want to lower the value of certain coin to achieve price they wanted. But I believe that it will be hard if he's only one so maybe an organisation behind them, but these can all be from judgement no proof provided since there's no specific name or details.

Exactly my point, no details, no names, no data, nothing.
You are suggesting that wealthy players, whales are manipulators? I think it's not fair. For me it is the question of; is the market being speculative in nature? And I say yes to such question. However calling those players with pejorative names is somewhat counterproductive. First of all it spreads black PR about crypto holders, second thing will be that its also slander bitcoin and it's cause.
There is also a case of those mythical manipulators hurting themself, on purpose and deliberately by those speculations that they make... kinda nonsense :)

every time the market is always manipulated, so we don't need to worry about this. and for the purpose of manipulation it is only for profit. so don't be surprised if prices suddenly go up and down in just a short time.

If it is too obvious, you will know for sure since it's just a two way to know it. One is right and one is wrong, if you see that there is no news/article then suddenly the market acted it's own way then that is too obvious, right? Everything here can be seen through statistics and data, you don't need someone to tell it to you. The free resources are telling it to you already.

I don't think news or articles affect much in crypto, rather it's only effective for stocks or forex. The reason is that crypto isn't affected by the economics or whatever business or bilateral partnership. The only manipulators in crypto are whales which can be considered as stakeholders. It's easy to indentify that they exist once a market becomes volatile for no reason.

Im not sure about where can you see that if the market is stabilizing? How it was possible when there was a lot of exchange sites are still manipulating their volumes and so many bots in the market?
It's still manipulated. look at how a lot of exchange sites are writing fake volumes about their daily volume and that will definitely give impacts to the token or coins too.
The manipulation is happening anytime right now.

Everyone is free to think about the current market conditions, therefore my of the opinion that the current market is
manipulated. Those who manipulate the market must necessarily have a very large capital, that's why I accuse whales as
the culprit. Because whales have a very large capital to manipulate prices in the market. We can see almost this year
bearish market conditions, both bitcoin and altcoins have fallen very deep several times. For me this is an effort whales
make investors panic and sell crypto at cheap prices, and according to the plan whales can buy crypto at cheap prices.
So from that approaching halving BTC in 2020 prices slowly go up, because whales are starting to manipulate prices again.
In order to happen FOMO in 2020, so that after halving whales can sell at high prices.

Exactly what I meant to say that once the market started to act strange it is either the whales or a normal movement of the market. The only manipulator we have are those whales who can do whatever they want in the market. We small fishes had to follow them in order to take that profit that we want.

That is what everyone should understand because we should always follow the market conditions, once the price of coins, increasing whales will manipulate and we should always follow them in order to make a profit. Whales will always manipulate the market to make a huge profit for them.

Just about every market I have seen was being manipulated at some point in the crypto world. You'll see guys place a several thousand dollar sell order at a certain price on a coin that doesn't get a whole lot of action just to lower the price down a bit and fill more of his buy orders. Then, once the buy orders are filled, you'll see that sell order disappear without anyone even buying them. It's pretty obvious what's going on in those cases. Not much you can do about it except place a buy order near that guys and do what he's doing. Just do what the manipulators are doing and you should end up doing just fine.

exactly what i mean mate because we can see some bad actions everytime there is a news coming out.
but sometimes even Old timer fails in analyzing which way and when the pattern will occur,in some occasions these old traders also become a victim of trapping from the manipulators

We don't have to follow them, you know. We can just choose to remain on the sidelines and then enter the market whenever we are comfortable, regardless of whale action or not.

In fact, it is when small fishes follow that whales can repeatedly do what they do, cause they see that it works every single time. Maybe if it stopped working they'll find less incentive in doing what they do.

the problem is  how do we know if the movement is manipulation or not?because thats the main concern for all us investors t find when and where this will happen.

how can we stop them?they have been here for long,they even bagged tons of money yet they are here continuing what is the drill ,and people are becoming victims over and over again.

Well, no one will be able to really ascertain if the market is being manipulated or not, anything can be responsible for the movement of bitcoin value, it could be real organic movement and could be real manipulation.

It could be that someone that holds large amount of coin have seen that it is the right time for him to remove his investment with the gain on it while some could decide to stay longer, so many things can be responsible for it, and I think that this time around, the value of bitcoin is just moving the way it should, small pump and corresponding correction, and this is what usually make majority of the traders around to really enter into trade at dip time and then exit the trade at the pump time, so all we should do also is just to study the market and know that every dip is a blessing.

In my opinion, the market is manipulated every single day. I cannot explain, why BTCs behaviour is so strange and that without any announcement, the price can drop or raise for 2-3k USD within several days.

We can see the price manipulation at the time of any crypto news coming like positive or negative. Those times we can see huge price manipulation being done by the traders as well as the big investors.
I am not sure why this manipulation has been occurred and when there is no big move now.

I think the price manipulation that occurred in crypto trading can be done by exchange, but of course this is not an easy thing and also requires quite a lot of funds to buy bitcoin and resell it in a short time so that it can be seen that the activity of increasing bitcoin prices is quite high in exchange so that it makes investors interested in investing in bitcoin and in this case of course the exchange will be very profitable because it gets income from the occurrence of the transaction activity.

Bitcoin is not using the announcement to determine how strong the fundamental of the market and create hype. bitcoin uses the news to create hype and pump. So many bitcoin news is getting published everyday and i hope you can visit the crypto news site directly to see if that is happening right now dude.
It's not a strange thing but you don't understand about that. If you wanna watch the news site and you will know everything.

Markets are always magnets for manipulation even with regulatory body oversight on steroids. The lure of making easy money is always there. Just recently the Robinhood was plagued with a bug that lets users have infinite margin. They made millions. If there's no clear advantage for the clever and devious, market prices would remain flat.

I love this manipulated market this year because I have many opportunities to buy some cheap coins and can sell immediately if the market corrects slightly. In fact, this is the easiest way of trading and during the last time, I have made a lot of great profits from here. May be risky, but I still want whales to manipulate this market because I have learned how to track whale movements and predict when volatility will occur.

This market would not pump and dump if no manipulation is happening here, we should get used to it.
I had witnessed most of the important event in crypto and its market effect but I learn that when there's a huge pump, dump will always follow, regardless on when it will happen.

Because the whales are in control and they make money trading.
When they short the market, they can create a panic to dump and do the opposite if they long the market, that's how it works, let us not make it complicated.

it is not wrong if people think that prices are manipulated because prices sometimes go down before going up. that happened several times, and currently, the price of bitcoin has fallen below $ 9k again.
it all depends on our beliefs, if you believe that this is manipulation before the pump comes, you should immediately buy up popular bitcoin or coins. at present, we can only take advantage of that situation. honestly, manipulated or not, I'm pretty sure the price of bitcoin will go up after this.

The price of bitcoin is stable so there is no manipulation happen right now. You can only see it if there are a large movement of the price like what happen in 2017. Obviously the price is manipualted in the last quarter of that year and take all thier profit after ,thats why we see the price back to 3000$ in early 2019 that was the negative effect of it.

First we have to consider that it is demand and supply that really control the value of bitcoin, and when there is demand for bitcoin that is higher than its supply, the value tends to increase and the moment that the supply of bitcoin becomes more than the demand, the value tends to decrease, so we will always see this happen which is why we have the term volatility, bitcoin is still very volatile now and we will be seeing this often , and we are also more concerned about it because many of us want bitcoin for investment which makes us all to be looking at it from the fiat perspective and not the quantity of bitcoin that we have.

If a financial institution needs to pay someone with bitcoin in large amount of money, you know it will pass through the market cap, and at that time, it will raise the value of bitcoin, it now depends on the recover to either keep the money in the market or exchange it back to fiat.

Your answer is very good. I can never predict the value of Bitcoin in this market and everything happens very suddenly so that time will often be very difficult for everyone. In my opinion, if you can analyze this market when volatility, it will be good for yourself because we can predict where the current money is going. Of course, you need a lot of information and you must always watch this market every hour so this is not an easy job.

Maybe this is not necessary but if you can get acquainted, you will have a lot of new investment opportunities because the crypto market is about to move into a bull phase.

Obviously there's a manipulation going on here, price would not be so volatile if there is no manipulation and there wouldn't be a dump or a pump that is not expected, just like the recent pump, there was no big news to cause that big pump and therefore it wasn't expected.

In the early stage and until now, there's always a manipulation that is happening and it has become a normal thing for those who understand the market behavior, what we should do is to know more the market movement and go with the flow so it could help us in making the right judgement.

It is probably the safest to assume that market is always being manipulated. With the exchanges, and whales, and centralized projects that are trying to act like real cryptos, it's a mess out there.

I agree. The whales can be seen as the one making the changes since they are the only ones who can buy large amount of bitcoins right before the halving next year. As time passes by, as bitcoin recovers its value, we should expect the value to go down more instead of going high. As a part of your preparation, you should take the opportunity to buy as many as you can before the halving because the value may become very high in the next few months and you wouldn't want to miss out on it.

might be being manipulated. but the question is, who is manipulating all the crypto markets? very likely to occur when this is related to the adoption of bitcoin on the market. but overall I don't think there is enough evidence to justify the existence of market manipulation that is now happening. Current markets are due to trade and demand. when everything goes down I guess it's still reasonable. not only in the crypto market but for all trades in any market using the same principle.

No whales will reveal the information if they want to manipulate the market and actually there are some comments here are right since if they buy large volumes of coins and move it to exchange and sold then it can create a huge changes for the market price. You can also see the past news where manipulation occur and the perfect example with that are the past fuds scattering which affect the bitcoins price badly.

whales are who manipulating crypto market. many people know about it
remember that cryptomarket is still low-caps compared other asset, it means that to manipulate is easier, just spend some money and you can play this gemz
i think it is how market works, being smart to follow whales is the key!

Maybe you have a point, this is the pope's last chance to buy bitcoin cheaply and then it will be pumped. but as small players we also need to be vigilant, the Pope can manipulate the market to their liking. Do not follow Fomo, it will make you lose, Buy now and hold it until Halving BTC happens, this is a very good opportunity to be able to benefit from BTC.

The market of cryptocurrencies has such a low volume that manipulating the price is easier than what many people think, it is for this reason we see the market moving in such a volatile way, and this should make us think, if the whales can move the market of bitcoin in such an easy way imagine what they can do to the altcoin market, so what we can do to protect ourselves from this manipulation? And the only way you can protect yourself is by always having a stop loss ready in your favourite exchange.

Manipulation can occur at any time if the whale wants and nobody can stop it when that happens. I think any coin will be manipulated and that makes the market always volatile recently. Almost all of the coins that we often invest in are coins that can rise or fall unexpectedly, so you have to take that risk into the crypto market. I personally am afraid of investing in the bear market and always willing to accept losses if that happens.

Now get used to the facts and maybe this manipulation will last forever in this market.

There are some entities in the market that can manipulate the price of all coins at the same time, they are called exchanges, and in my opinion they are one of the biggest obstacles for the progress of this market, they lie about the volume they have, they lie about the number of transactions on their books and they manipulate the price of many coins, what we need is for decentralized exchanges to be more popular and when that happens centralized exchanges and their manipulations will be a thing of the past.

The whales are just like us and we are also like them. We buy when the prices are down and sell when the prices are up. This is exactly what earning from cryptocurrency means. Volatility is going to become our friend if we are going to follow this. The difference between us and whales is that whales have large crypto amounts while we have little.

They have huge amount where it can influence the market, whenever they move surely it will make impacts and traders simply followed them. It's sad when you miscalculates everything and you ended up being trapped since whales easily knows when to buy and sell with a sure profits in their hands. The very reason that observing and assessment is very important when you are working with volatile market, if you will not pay attention and you'll not be careful the outcome of your business always in the wrong side, take time to learned deeper to enhance your skills and not be bothered by anything but only by your own assumptions.

But it's not always working, sometimes there would be an error that makes our stop loss can't working properly. I have seen several cases happened with some people that they were getting big loses caused by the stop loss feature was not working. To make sure to trade with low amount of money will be much preferable.
So many cases have told us if sometimes exchange can get an error. The manipulation is only not on its volume but the fact that the system of exchange site itself can be manipulated.
We know that the developer is a party that was holding all of the access to the exchange site itself.
The market is so unhealthy.

Whales always exist in every situation but if you take advantage of it, it will be very easy for you to make a profit because volatile market is  good time for you to buy some coins. I am usually very interested in this and often make a small investment to mimic whale thinking. Of course, has not always been successful, but I have tried it during the last few years and there are many lessons when the market is volatile.

Now the market seems to be like that because when the price of Bitcoin drops the prices of altcoins are kept decreasing. Most of the prices of the potential altcoins are decreasing in the market, we don't know exactly who is manipulating. Definitely whales will have a hand on it, which they can easily turn the market according to their way.

I have also read about thoughts in this forum, I also think that many big traders manipulate and also use large exchanges to take advantage of moments in it, so I think this market manipulation is done to get more Bitcoin supplies from the hands of weak people who sell them cheap , so I can only buy it when a lot of crypto currencies go down at cheap prices today, one more thing is actually we are already in Q4 2019

It sure looks like it. Last week of October saw Bitcoin pumped 40% in just three days. Lots of bears wiped out. And now the price is almost back to where the pump started. It sure looked bullish back then and now what happened to it?

Your thinking is not wrong and it is telling the truth that is happening in this crypto market. Everything is a mess when prices are constantly fluctuating without control. The whales are trying to manipulate the price of bitcoin so that in a few months, they will buy bitcoin back and create a surge.
and this could be a good sign for us to hold USDT and wait for the price to drop below $ 7k8.

With the current market situation, the price of bitcoin dropped dramatically and continuously retreated to important milestones, that's really a sign that the whale is trying to set up a new plan for this market, many people will be able to feel that bitcoin is in the process of adjusting, whales cannot manipulate so strongly but no, whales may not be completely in control, but they have a strong impact on each person's psychology, daily panic and anxiety. The manipulation here is no longer in the price range, the manipulation here includes the price and psychology of the participants

I think the market is easily manipulated by the whales because 10 years ago bitcoin is really cheap even anybody can buy much of it if they can see the potential of this digital currency, and right now it does not rule out the possibility there are many people who hold hundred thousand of bitcoin on their wallet and they can easily pump and dump the market by spreading their assets into many exchanges

i agree. the smaller the volume, the easier the p&d game is. with bitcoin,
you have to act nicely on manipulated messages to really change something. :D
but it's not that easy anymore and the overall market already has a certain stability.
not like shares for example, but it's not comparable.

There couls be a reason on why it being manipulated and doing a pump and dump strategy is really affecting a lot of people because they may panic on selling and buying but still whales win on this kind of situation.

And we can also take advantagr if its being manilulate by whales and we all know that crypto market will not stay at the bottom but it will definitely rise up their value.

Q4 of the year is somewhat being anticipated from time to time knowing that bull run or price increase do happen in these times usually but not always a precise thing to rely on.
Asking on what would be the price or this might be the dip? No, we cant predict such thing thats why we've continue to speculate things here on this very unpredictable market.
Manipulation? Not a surprising thing yet there would always be big players who would got involved and can really influence market price depending to their likes.

But whales are able to control us as small traders to buy at high prices and sell at low prices. Whales arranges everything, he arranges the ups and downs of the market easily, because they have big capital. so that we can compensate for whales we have to think like whales too. Don't be easy to get involved with FOMO, this is a whales game.

I also think so, if the market at the moment seems to be being the market manipulated, because if we look at the fall in the price of BTC significantly in recent days, the price of BTC continues to decline and is nearing the lowest point of this year at $ 7300.
I think this trend will continue before entering 2020 but it seems like this is the right time, if you want to buy a BTC for you to keep.

In fact the price is still getting a sharp decline and for the time being I'm sure prices will continue to fluctuate to the extreme because at least we still need time until bitcoin halving happens next year. So when there is a sharp decline at the moment I think it's just a situation that might be said to make sense if there really would be a fast pump that occurred after the decline.

It seems to me that you are right, but you should not underestimate the manipulators, since if they want they will arrange another fall and this fall may turn out to be even stronger than the growth that we observed recently, which amounted to 40% per night, we are pawns on this battlefield , we should just follow the trend since we cannot control these trends and let's be realistic and will make some loud statements after something significant has happened, so far I only see a fall.

Undoubtedly, manipulators in the cryptocurrency market have always been present and acted for their own benefit, practically stealing their actions from gullible cryptocurrency users who inadequately respond to negative market indicators, and causing irreparable harm to the entire cryptocurrency market.  But what happens today, when almost a 20% drop in Bitcoin and Ethereum prices over the past few days, are already driving me crazy and I don’t understand what could have affected so much.

Bitcoin price decline leads to a long drop this year and i'm sure it won't recover this year. December will always be bad time for crypto because many people are cash out their money for holiday and black friday and it's usual thing happens in crypto every year. We have to wait until next year to price recover

It isn't really that complex understand what happened, most likely there were quite a few investors shorting the market using leverage and a few whales made the price to go up very rapidly and this caused a margin call on all of those traders, and the whales got a huge amount of money in return, then they stopped buying coins and they began to sell them and since no one was buying bitcoin at those levels the price had no option but to go down and go back to where it started.

I think so, right now the market is manipulated by China, did you know that yesterday the Chinese government had wanted to adopt the blockchain and cryptocurrency, and make prices soar up, but now they change their minds and prices go back down

It seems that the decline was caused by the FUD given by the media who wrote fake news for binance exchanges and this seemed to me like manipulation to the public to panic.

more precisely yesterday's decline was caused by fud (I'm sure of that), in fact after that the price of bitcoin immediately recovered. or it could be a sign that the bearish conditions are starting to end and will enter a bullish trend hmmm.

I think China has a huge influence on the crypto market and the recent bad news has caused a lot of investors to lose money and they are feeling more scared during this time. In my opinion, this is their manipulation plan and it is best to never trust any news in this country because it will cause you psychological problems.

I personally have been fortunate to be able to buy Bitcoin at a cheap price in the last few days and will continue to hold it until the coin returns to $10,000 before Christmas because I believe in December the market will recover.

Most of us who appreciates the downfall of bitcoin take it as a big opportunity. If you think it could return to $10k, don't expect too much that it would be quick because the trend looks too slow to rise. Most probably that price would be experienced early January of 2020.

yes agree, the bitcoin market is being manipulated by the media to spread a lot of FUD to frighten weak holders, this has happened before when a lot of media spread FUD and then the bitcoin price is down, that's where the bitcoin price will start to boom ... !!

This is world trade. where when prices are rising. surely after that will experience a decline. just let it go as usual. if in time the price will return to normal.

No know when there will be a pump and dump person people can only predict, and many say the ALT season will not come this year, could be true or not.
Because the crypto market is not predicted.
May be a bit of manipulation when the pump or dump arrives occur.

The market is being manipulated by whales in order to 'artificially regulate' the cryprocurrency market by controlling a significant percentage of any cryptocurrency.

It's not a fake news as per some people have already published a proof to support that arguments. Remember also bitcoin was facing a bad news too in china.
It doesn't seem to be a manipulation. Sometimes rumour will be creating a bad trend but when the price of the crypto can rebound and then that gives crypto more hopes to gain its value again.

All people in crypto trading is same to make money. and the whales wanna cheap price so can get much money if they sell in high price
it is a normal behaviour, buy low and sell high. they use their own money to 'manipulate' market to get that 'purpose'

manipulate is normal thing in financial market. accept it as part of the market structure. As retail investors, we cannot control or change how the big boys play the game.
Understanding that manipulation can work for or against you, depending on your position.

Yeah, I remember not too long ago after the Chinese government said they were going to accept crypto they then reversed that decision. Not really surprising given the structure of the government there. This more than likely had an impact on the dip on price we were experiencing. Keep in mind the possible consequences for going against your government in China..

This is the same posture that I have, all markets are currently being manipulated by forces way above our control but that doesn't really matter what matters is if you can make profits in this market despite that manipulation? If you can't then you should get out of this market and probably any other market, but if you can make profits in this market despite the heavy manipulation that we see then most likely you can make profits in any market and in any circumstance.

the fall in prices in the market that we see is also influenced by certain countries that hold many shares

Market is going through a period of manipulation so volatility can occur at any time. I think altcoin is the investment that disappointed investors this year and it is best to limit investment during this time because the risk will make you lose a lot. Currently, you should only buy some valuable altcoins in this market and the best advice is to choose Ethereum, Binance, Atom, Litecoin, Bitcoin because these are the most prestigious options in investment.

Hope you are aware that none of the countries invested in any of the crypto market but there may be funds coming from private fund house and individuals and moreover it is an open market and anyone can invest in it, so you cannot blame on a specific country for the manipulation in the market, anyone with huge funds can do so in an unregulated market as they will not be facing any fines.

There is nothing wrong in your thinking because it was your own perception regarding the matter. Well, many people do also think the same way you do whenever the price goes up a little bit but drops twice than the hype and perceive it as a manipulation in the market brought by the whales of the crypto. But as of this moment, I cannot momentarily say that there is a certain manipulation that is happening because based on the price chart, the ups and downs are on its usual state in which basically it is normal. We must not be stressed out on the all of a sudden drop in the prices after a small pump because there are lots of factors that is being considered why certain fluctuations is happening in the market.

haha, good question
the market is always being manipulated.. especially crypto market
big markets even gold are being manipulated.
if its by the news or if its by manipulating the actual price/stats of the asset
dont expect rationality from this market its my advice

One proof might be the Tether scandal but other than that, the events could simply be the huge selling orders on different exchanges. Those high volume sales are making the price lower and huge players know how to do it.

Although we don't have a proof who they are but it could be everyone that's also contributing to that wave. The news plays a big influence to the crypto market and if it's scary, the crowd will react immediately.

The proof can be found if you can carefully observe the order book and liquidity on the big exchanges, the manipulators put the limit buy orders and price tends to hit these orders. Logically, the price tracks the liquidity and when it is close hitting the order, the crypto manipulators pull the limit orders and bingo. The sellers start to panic and push the price lower levels.

I see the current market has nothing to do with manipulation, now I think the market will easily be in a position of increase or decrease. so I don't think this is a manipulation because it will only cause panic issues in the crypto market

bitcoin has been sideways in the last 12 days to determine new reactions and major manipulations have not yet taken place. But the tendency is very strong where a small altcoin can be manipulated every day, I still consider it normal. Now it has entered Q4 and if it moves historically, in the last 2 weeks there will be an unnatural wave in determining the latest prices, and we need to see which dominance is higher.

Many investors seems to care about whether the market is manipulated or not because of their sense of fairness, but it is very clear that all of those actors that are very powerful will try to get their way with the market, that is completely natural and that doesn't really bother me, as a trader the only thing that I care about is if I can take advantage of the movements of the market whether there is manipulation or not, and for what I can tell it seems that I'm able to make some small profits out of the market.

this market is very easily manipulated - so yes it is manipulated
you can see it just by the high volumes on exchanges
by fake news
its already kind of manipulation - isnt it?
think about how many things happening that we can not see..
i really dont want to think about how strong the manipulation
but i really think that the final goal of the manipulators is to grow the market and make it even more profitable for them

ust investing in projects that keep on building
thats the best thing to do in my opinion

The current market maybe not manipulated as manipulation does not happen everyday or all the time.
When the whales sees an opportunity like big news that could help move the market significantly, they'll start the manipulation to play their game, so in overall this market can easily be manipulated by those who hold a big portion of the supply.

Yes, there is manipulation. Because derivatives have larger trading volume than spot trading. Prices of derivatives like margin take precedence. Now, to maximize pips or profit, the whales pump the coin price and then dump it hard to trigger stop losses which also adds to the selling pressure. That's why you see S-like formation on the Bitcoin price.

I'm sure there is some manipulation, but I think it can be overstated. Small coins can be manipulated easily, but it takes a lot to manipulate bitcoin significantly. Yes I think whales are trying, but I don't think that they can do more than give BTC price a small nudge.

Unfortunately, there have always been market manipulations, not just now. Manipulations with markets are not new in the world, what people learned with stock market applied on crypto market, buy low sell high, and even better if you have means to affect the price to go down or high, if you control decent amount of coins. We are all affected by manipulations, if you hold any coin, be sure that there are whales that can manipulate with the price of that coin. We can't do nothing about that, except to try to be fast and sell on time if someone is dropping huge amounts of coins and to buy again when price drops.

But you are making the assumption that the whales are trying to use fiat to manipulate the market, the whales of this market are holding bitcoin and regardless of the price of bitcoin in fiat they still have the same amount of bitcoin, which means that early adopters that have tens of thousands or even more coins can move the price as they wish by manipulating the supply and the demand of bitcoin, however that manipulation is not really an excuse to not make money in the markets.

ALWAYS
the market is always manipulated
i could even argue that its manipulated since day one
and even the "unknown creator of bitcoin" is a manipulation
everything is part of the plan

I don't think the market is currently manipulated in which those big whales already aware the possible of huge movement of the price of bitcoin. Also, those who invest huge amount want an assurance as they experience losses of their own perceptions of different coins they choose. Soon in the future, market will recover as wish by many here in crypto currency community.

Crypto market is being manipulated from the very beginning, sudden drops and raises are made from huge whales. They are earning so much money, while unexperienced investors are losing their money while trying to catch the train.

It has always been like this from the very beginning. And it can't be help since manipulation thrives on low liquidity or low trading volume. It is very easy to push the price up when it's cheap to do it. But when there's more trading volume, it will be costly to do.

It's wrong. The manipulation even happen with the major exchange sites. you can take binance as the example and how so many things become really absurd just like matic's big crash on binance.
Low liquidity just make the big gap between the buy order book and sell order book. there is nothing to feel worry about that because people have already known what he has already bought.
The different situation when comes to the major exchange site that manipulated the hopes that has already made by the traders and users.
The major exchange site is too risky compared with the small exchange site which was having a low liquidity. it may less insider job compared with major exchange site.

Whales control the crypto market, no matter how many regulators intervene in their job. They have one job and that is the reason why 90% of the crypto traders are losers. The top 1 percent is the whales with more than 10000 BTC in their wallets.

Sounds true, the whales are in control of the market, they hold the big portion and the government can't determine the identity of the whales or let them comply with the rules to prevent from manipulation, whales will always be whales, they will continue what they got used to, and it's us who should adjust with them.

That's the thing inside this market, we do have company who knows how to play without any mistakes and gaining from this industry. Whales will keep
sucking this market in any manner that they see opportunities. We do need to keep working enhancing our knowledge to work with them and avoid doing things against them or else we will just keep seeing our investment to lose away from our grasp.

to know market manipulation requires a strong analysis, but from my view so far the market still looks normal because it does not look like a high pump then dumps. because I believe that if the market moves like that then there is manipulation in it

You're so this right but to know if the market is been manipulated definitely don't need a strong analysis because we can actually check the whale's movement through whales alert and what I'm seeing is a slightly stable market which shows that the market is not manipulated but replicate the previous market situation.

It doesnt really require too much analysis when it regards on detecting manipulation.Hence, whales wont really do such thing for constant or regular basis.
Huge spikes on prices either dump or pump does signify manipulation which i do say its present neither on forex/stocks or here on crypto yet there would always
be big players who do play into these fields.As long cash is flowing there would always to those who are financially capable that would really took advantage of their capacity.,

You mistake the market cycles and manipulation of the crypto whales. The seasonal market trend is completely different than the manipulated crypto order books, the previous market situation will appear right after the bull market. And the bull market will leave its place for the bear market. If we check the market simulation, everything will be clear for us. Non-written rules dominate in the crypto market, the legal regulative steps don't affect these whales.

either that works is whale manipulation or indeed this is the way the crypto market works. because from the beginning I was familiar with the crypto market, the movement up and down quickly and suddenly had happened. and in this situation, I am no longer surprised when there is a movement that is thought to be a manipulation by the pope. but as far as I know to be able to carry out large-scale market movements of course if it is done by the pope they will use very much money. and I prefer to think about the phenomenon of the crypto market like that is normal.

I think the current market conditions are still stable and not because there are certain parties who can manipulate price movements, but there are still many people who do not want to be left behind to be able to buy at cheap prices, resulting in more offers than market demand.

if that is true that people buy at low prices then are still buying now ? but what do you think the price is stable  ? if they buy the price should start moving upwards  or fluctuate atleast   .

cryptos are known to be volatile type of coins but if they became stable then there is already something wrong them , they are already being maniputalted  but manipulation are always been there because cryptos were also known to be a manipulative type of currencies  .

The current stable result was totally disappoint the many investors so we are all waiting for next bull run. Last one month was really hard to survive in trading, but we know it will make good profit on next year. The market manipulation is happening on all the time, But each months crypto will raise and fall so next month we see some further growing on crypto market.

The market is under manipulative forever, the level of manipulation as well as the impact out of the manipulation might be experienced low than other times. As said cryptos without the feature of volatility can't be considered cryptocurrency. This means there is something wrong or some whales trying to create some panic moments to profit out of the same.

I am not so sure that the bitcoin whales are doing all of this to try to get fiat in return, to me this seems like a nice bonus for them but what they are really after is to get even more bitcoin in return for their manipulations, and for what I can see it seems that they are getting what they want, as time passes they are getting bigger and bigger but I do not know if they don't really understand that if they are the only ones that are holding bitcoin then their coins becomes useless because they cannot exchange those coins with anyone.

Stable for what? have you seen what already happened with matic coin? it was getting manipulated by the team and exchange site. crypto will always be a manipulative market and that is really possible to happen anytime. Cheap price becomes a bullshit reason when you are seeing an instant dump from the dev

Not only matic every project trying to to implement their project then they wish to go with exchanges and wanna make some money e on using it.
Then all the hunters and investors mostly goes to exchange and sell their coins as soon as possible to keep their funds very much safer.

Trading altcoins mostly are run by the early investors who will just dump in the market and then there's your developer who also wanna profit by milking the market for how long they may want it. Matic will just be dump as long as there isn't bullrun yet. They own the market, they may not follow the roadmap or announce something else forcing holders to dump. They'd be moving to BTC because its the safest so far not alts.

The very basic thing that people always do with crypto is to make crypto participants always make mistakes and panic. so that it will always take actions that are actually detrimental when the panic occurs, all actions can make mistakes when anticipating.
so many are looking for profits in the event of these errors and I agree with you that should not have happened. because we know that investment in crypto is very vulnerable to such manipulation. but I believe crypto will remain passionate even if it happens like this and ordinary.

Youre somehow wrong because the last time I checked most of the early investors of altcoin market are always after secure their investment due to the turn of new projects these days and it the arbitrage trader that run the altcoin market. However, this is the reason why the signal (pump and dump) group was implemented in the first before people abuse the system.

I supported what you said because altcoin early investors barely make profit these days and this literally lead to the bleeding of some altcoin in the market, what altcoin early investors do now is to sell their holding for bitcoin or stablecoins which everybody believe is currently the secure investment once they gain some few bucks out of their investment.

There is nothing wrong with that thinking because after all, if we look at it from history, events like that are common, so with the presence or absence of manipulation I only believe that this is a long process for a larger pump. Stay to have a positive mindset because after all a situation of big panic will definitely occur and we must be prepared to remain consistent and be patient longer.

It is hard for me to know that the market is really manipulated or not but indeed the truth is now bitcoin is down because of some news that gives FUD which makes many people panic or sell their bitcoin.

Manipulation is always present, cause certain people and groups can do it. Crypto market is young market and like every young market is vulnerable to big players and their games. There's nothing wrong in that, everyone wish to be rich and everyone would do it, but not everyone is in position to do that.
The longer the process is, more volatility we will have, there will be larger pumps and dumps, but gradually prices are rising, with each pump and dump we are setting up new bottoms.

Cryptos market is not manipulated by any whale. It is in balance between supply and demand, if there are more sellers than buyers invariably the price tends to decline or dump I believe that is price action which is affecting the cryptos market presently thus providing opportunities for for the whales to buy and accumulate. Although I had read many stories about Market manipulations which I don't agreed is real.

I will only express my personal opinion that many manipulators still have influence on the cryptocurrency market and maybe these are big whales or groups of cryptocurrency users.  Over the past period, in my opinion, two very important events for the cryptocurrency market have occurred that should significantly strengthen the position of Bitcoin and Ethereum in the cryptocurrency market.  First of all, it is about obtaining permission to trade Bitcoin futures and the recent update of Istanbul's hard fork Ethereum.  If you look at certain charts in a particular period, the first and other news had an impact on the price of bitcoin and ethereum in the first hours of the launch post, because even the market revived noticeably, but it did not last long and the market began to show red again.  It seems to me that if a user begins to show interest in cryptocurrency due to good news, then market indicators should logically last for a long time.

It's manipulated but not as always as those people said. The whales are taking the right time to manipulate the market. When you are seeing there will be so many a huge sell orders in the market and that means the whale has already started to manipulate the market. it's not happen anytime but it happens some times.

So if we're all smart and we know the market is being manipulated and we even know by whom, then all we need to do is time our buys and sells to follow the whales.

But since we're all smart and we still can't figure out how this happens, then yeah like you said, I don't think the manipulation is as easy as we all think. A few minutes of price control I guess, but nothing more.

whale have so much money, they can easily to manipulate this asset as they want
this is low liquidity market than the others, so why you dont believe this one  ::)

supply demand affects the price. but without whales, the price wont move so much
look at volality, it is very volatile that means there are any whales here

It is very difficult to argue that the market is not being manipulated when we are seeing the unusual way in which the market is moving, after some days in which the market was going down suddenly out of nowhere we saw a tremendous buying pressure coming from the bulls and I find very hard to believe that what we are seeing has not been orchestrated by the whales, this was nothing but an attempt to force weak hands to sell their coins and they were successful.

Indications that whales are moving is tough to determined as they know how traders emotions affects their decision making, Whales probably waiting for heavy flows of emotions then begin to workout and take the directions according to how they've seen to gain a lots of profits.
Market is prone being point to which directions the big bag holders wanted to bring as weak traders follows sentiments and forget about analyzing every situations.

not because there are many sell orders means that is already manipulation mate,because there comes a time that investors and traders jammed in buying without intentions specially when there is a good news coming and they feel the positive outcome.

we can stand that there is manipulation but also we can be wrong at a certain time.

There is nothing complicated in manipulating the market from a technical point of view, especially if most of the coins are concentrated in the hands of several people, we can call them whales conditionally. What goals are set by people or companies owning from 10,000 bitcoins, we can only guess, it is clear that they have already earned a comfortable life, and whether they need any kind of manipulation at all is a big question.

Small coins can be manipulated easily, bigger coins less so. It would normally take a lot of effort to move the bitcoin price. But I think at the moment everyone is worried about further big drops, and the market is more vulnerable than usual - it wouldn't take much at the moment to trigger panic-selling. So whilst I can't say whether the price is being manipulated, it does seem the market is more vulnerable to manipulation than usual.

And do not underestimate what patience and consistence means in this world of crypto. Remember that just because the last bull run was 2 years ago does not mean it will come again very soon,,, we have seen 2 and 3 year cycles, I would not be surprised if it becomes 4 and 5 year cycles or even longer,,, are we all prepared for this?

manipulated by big whales (it possibility can be yes/no). If the coins are cheap and not popular, well then I believe there must be a lot of manipulation and real happen. for coins that are already popular in manipulating them will surely need the encouragement of the big whales dan it will hard to do that.So, in my opinion right now it doesn't happen like that (no manipulation), now it's more towards following the global economic conditions.

indeed it has become a natural thing if you have a lot of trading capital and you can become one of the whales so I'm sure you will also definitely manipulate price movements at the exchange and will control the movement of coin prices.

In December, investors are usually more calm than in other months. Due to the fact that there is less transactions on the market, it is much easier to manipulate it. What has happened in recent days is an obvious attempt to lower the price, but fortunately it was not successful and price come back to his previous level. Let's hope that by the end of the year there will be no more such surprises and at the beginning of the year a stable rise in prices will start.

Yeah, the market is controlled by a whale community, that's true. You can see the details of this news in the following link.

https://beincrypto.com/bitcoin-whales-have-consolidated-their-holdings-substantially/amp/

But I'm not happy with this situation, if this situation continues to increase, it may mean that we cannot achieve decentralization. And I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto was trying to do that when he invented bitcoin.

That whales collect BTC is good. The problem is that there should be more whales on the market. As market capitalization increases, market manipulation possibilities decrease. The threat that the market will not be decentralized practically does not exist, but what is happening is actually worrying.

Market has been manipulated and being manipulated since then. You can even see that when you are doing trading every now and then. Pump groups and all and even on margin trading. Of course, these exchanges dont want to lose a lot so manipulating it is the best thing.

I think the system of all trading markets is also like that. When they have big capital, of course, they can control the market price. especially with crypto assets that have very fast market movements. even without capital only with the will of the community with large numbers can also make the market move. we cannot avoid it, we can only be prepared for all circumstances and most importantly you should never feel panicked.

Maybe because it happen in a many times, coin that pumped usually dumped first so people think it is whales who want to buy in cheap price first before pump it. But i think price really controlled because even other people almost can predict what will happen, or maybe speculation about it is almost right.

Who can predict? maybe that's a sort of conclusion only but I didn't take out the fact that market can be manipulated and you need a big funds for that or even spread some fuds to make this dumping scheme became successful. But actually there are so many reasons contributes that and for current happening on the market it's questionable since we don't have the exact reason on why the market keeps falling even though the halving is approaching.

Markets are being manipulated by the whales when every they want, but whenever the price of Bitcoin is increasing/decreasing it is effecting the altcoin prices. Even potential coins are losing their value in the market, which we don't know whether altcoin reached their downtrend level. Most of the people who believed in altcoin have already lost their asset value.

Manipulators, group of people, can move the market with carefully planed action. Its not just buying or selling huge amounts of coins, its pushing news and headlines that will lead masses to do what this group of manipulators wants them to do, add to that trolls that will spam social networks and forums with informations that suits their agenda.
Manipulations with markets, with all markets, are old as markets exist, big players will always have advantage, group of big players can move the market in the direction they want if they know how. We can't do nothing about that, at least with crypto we will have more transparency then we have with fiat.

The crypto market is always manipulated and manipulated by the media and with a lot of money.

Media plays an important role to manipulate the crypto market but someone behind it looks become the main actor who has already created so many panic sells in crypto. You can pay author or medias anytime and that makes the manipulation possible to happen.

Let's hope that at the end of the year there will be no such surprises, and at the beginning of the year the price increase will begin.
a group of people, can move the market with carefully planned actions. Media gangsters have the intention to destroy all innovative banking projects to protect the traditional banking system.

before pump, the price will dump so far.  And this is the Dow philosophy that you need to read and understand.  Dow's philosophy shows that this is the general psychology of financial markets.  for example, you have $ 100k invested in bitcoin, you set the expected profit of $ 200k and especially you like the majority.  when the price of bitcoin reaches $ 200k, a series of people will sell off and it will create a long-term wave of downtrend.  This is called the general cycle of any economy or finance, and it is made up of crowds.  So there is no manipulation here, the price fluctuation is just due to the expectations of the different crowds.

Manipulating the price of bitcoin is many times easier than what many people think, it may seem as if you need a lot of money to do that but if you are an early adopter that got his coins basically for free then you can manipulate the price of bitcoin as you want and it doesn't cost you anything, this is especially true in bitcoin in which everyone is always expecting a big movement to join it, so if a whale were to manipulate the price to go up he only needs to do this for a little while until the rest of the traders begin to follow that tendency.

it has been always an issue but until now there are no concrete documents and proofs about how it works and who are manipulating the market.
though it is really looking as is when the market is pumping without any good reason same as when it was dumping.that is why we can't take from our minds to think that manipulators are on the go.but investing is a risk so better expect some losing than total winnings.

what?is this a serious post?do you really know how much needed to maniupulate the market?and that damn free bitcoin you are saying have been withdrawn years ago,because those early adopters has already sold their Bitcoins and convert into fiat.and they are just few because many of them have lost their bitcoins in the air because they forgot the Key long time ago.

Actually, you don't need any documents or evidence to answer the question if the market is manipulated or not. You said yourself that at some moments you can notice very fast price jumps or its declines. This is manipulating the market to trigger panic buy or panic sell.

Badly it was as people think and it sometimes manipulation seems to happen in all areas. Crypto is a big market and this will able to give chances for influential people to take advantage of the market. It can't be of really visible to us but it actually happens in reality.

i think that Yes.. the market is being manipulated
its very easy to manipulate a market small like this and unregulated
trying to trade is like playing chess against the best players in the world
they know what they are doing.. so i only hold and wait for the best opportunity to sell
wish there will be more hypes in the next years

The only matters right now is you need to work and try following the directions where whales are with, if you catch up the right track you'll be able
to manage gaining profits even it's clearly another artificial movements. Whales are whales  try hard to acknowledge how they work and analyze your
next movement to ride with the hypes.

yes, the whales is.

so, it is just matter of how we follow them. if we can follow them, we can take our own sake
but if we can't, we will lose our money. always learning whales behaviour is the way

How can you follow the whales when you can't even see what the whales have been thinking about the market? it looks like people are loosing his mind caused by the manipulation of the market that always related to the whales. Exchange site is also having a big role in the market manipulation. I may take all of the possibilities.

yes we can't see the whales, but it doesn't mean there is no whales
we can't know exactly what strategy does whale use, but it doesn't mean it can't be detected

there are a sign in the market that show whale behaviour, if we are strict to see in the market
i.e before pump and dump scheme happened, the volume increased so heavy

I don't expect the whales to come anytime soon and put their money on the market now. let alone to pump without a reason that would benefit them. they come to profit not only to provide benefits for those who faithfully wait for the market to pump again. by the way what sign do you see in the market?

Whales are there and waiting for the right moment. Any quick price change by more than 10% is manipulation. Do you think several hundred investors arrange the same hour to sell their BTC? Of course not. This is one whale that uses bots to make a huge number of transactions in short intervals, which causes panic sell to focus on cheaper BTC. Later, the price increases and slowly sells what he bought cheaply.

Yes, it is true that the Bitcoin market has no purpose, manipulations happen, of course, but in such a size that it can not significantly control the price component, each of the major players “pulls the blanket over himself” rocking the boat, into which thousands of smaller players are afraid to go down.

Yea and yes
You are right, most financial market are manipulated
And crypto market is Heavily manipulated

The reason why i say so is because you can easily see that crypto market investors/holders are really fragile
A 400 btc dump can trigger a 10% price drop chain effect in less than 12 hours

How do we counter manipulation?
One of the only way to counter it is to push the crypto market cap higher
You can see that the reason why currency pair is not easily manipulated by even 1% is because the marketcap is too huge to be manipulated
They might test the market reaction by minor spike but they would not be able to control the price single handed