Is the market currently being manipulated?

[takngantuk]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

[Hamphser]

To me, it seems like the market is moving its usual state. An up and down movement, just relax and be patient i know this is just a temporary fall. If the market has a dump before the jump then this is it but don't just expect too much because there is nothing in particular that would make the market to pump beyond $9,000 at this time. You may think it is being manipulated but this is how the market move.

[No Pain No blood]

I think the market looks stable, bitcoin doesn't fall too far, so it's safe now. maybe this is just a small rally, so don't worry. it's too fast to think the market is manipulated just because of this. halving is still too long, maybe about 6 months. so there's no way the hype started this fast.

[rijaljun]

Tell me when the market isnclearly not manipulated?

Bitcoin is really bringing full control of our assets, our funds, our everything. But the system, no matter it is decentralized or centralized will be being manipulated by some few people. Who are manipulating this? Those who has enough power to move the market chart.

It is always manipulated.

[CjMapope]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

oh man, the market is definitally manipulated, the bigger question is by whom? and how? would be curious to know the answers
The stuff that's illegal big time in traditional markets is either not illegal or not enforceable in crypto, so best believe it happens, too tempting not too imo
the potential is just too high for massive profits so i bet institutional whales do it all day

[South Park]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

The pump was the manipulation and not the dump, look at the abnormally high volume we got during that pump, it was fabricated to make people to buy bitcoin and make its price higher so the whales could sell their coins for a more expensive price, the decrease in the price we are seeing is happening without too much volume, which means many are selling and there are few buyers, so there is almost no resistance to the negative movement of bitcoin, this should tell you there was never enough support for the price to go any higher.

[wheelz1200]

The market is always being manipulated.  With bitcoin less and less the higher the volume gets, it takes much more capital than in the past to move the market one way or the other.  But alt markets are always being toyed with.  The volume is just too small to avoid these manipulations.  Always be careful of spikes in either direction it's usually a game being played.

[jets567]

It is possible to manipulate the market in crypto-space which is why we have people that we called whales but sometimes the market just react naturally to the crypto holders wants. I was thinking that the reason of sudden fall is maybe because of the up-coming Christmas season and this thing happens every year wherein a lot of people convert their crypto in fiat currency to buy something earlier before November ends because this is the right time where you could get Christmas gifts much cheaper.

[befriendmywater]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

I have the same thought with you. Their manipulation strategy is really good. They are trying to buy bitcoins cheaply now. try to create fake buying forces to cheat traders and then continue to manipulate to get more bitcoins.
when the halving event is coming, when the price of bitcoin peaks, they will put all their money to Short order and sell bitcoin out of the market to execute the order.
That is my opinion and is also considered a good opportunity to buy bitcoin now.

[posi]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

Seriously, nothing is wrong with the crypto market because the market momentum in terms of demand and supply have proof market not strengthen. Mind you, if you can back the historical record of the market when we're approaching halving year the market usually experience a lot of manipulation.
Meanwhile, I will advice you not to expect much from the market this year Q4 and next year Q1.

[Stargazer]

We feel bad in every bitcoin and good altcoins price decline but this is not the right time to mood off! Wise people were waiting for the price down, so they can buy cheap and fill their bags before the halving. It's almost confirmed, at least history says that after every Bitcoin halving, the price went a new all-time high zone. So, if the market is being manipulated now, then that is a blessing for everyone if you get the point here! I agree with you that this decline is the last price drop before it goes to the moon!

[ronaldo40]

if you think that bitcoin market being manipulated i think it's impossible because you need larger capital so you can manipulate the bitcoin price
but it's different if you choose other altcoins that just released it's easy to manipulate their prices as long you had enough capital

[ePesoInitiative]

The market is indeed being manipulated and it can't be helped. It is because of leverage trading. The larger the move, the larger the profits. Traders don't profit in a stable market. These whales push the price where there are many stops so that they get triggered adding more selling or buying depending where they want the price to go.

[Pelunize12]

the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

[jossiel]

We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

[posi]

We have that mindset that the market is manipulated and there were several articles that came out for it to report but we don't know what exactly is happening during the dumps. We have a certain idea that there's a massive selling that occurs.

I concur about your idea before the pump, there should be a sort of correction for the whales to accumulate. Perhaps, they really are the ones that's pulling the price down so that they can easily sell, accumulate and repeat.

I supported what you said but the reason why some people believed the market to be manipulated is because of the volatility in nature of crypto market. Meanwhile, there's always a reason behind every trend posed by the market and current trend was slightly market correction which usually occur every Q4 of the year which is not block halving year. However, we have a situation where the whales are the one behind the market status.

[cryptothreads]

the market is always like that, manipulated by whales. that's the power of whales. but let it be, without whale we cant see any asset to grow

The point is how smart we follow the whale. if we are smart enough then we can get profit. if we do opposite, ofc we will lose

so, learn and play like a whale plays. it isnt easy but it can be learned

To do this requires a lot of experience in investing and is not always fortunate to earn high profits from this market. Whales may have a very important role in the market but most are the ones who want to manipulate and they will sell all when the profit is high. For whales, they only see this market as a tool to make money so the risk of investment can absolutely happen at any time.

I think any financial market is risky and can either help an investor to make a profit or cause that investor to lose all his assets.

[sazonk]

talking whether manipulation in the market is intentional or not, in my opinion it is possible and impossible, we as one of the traders for example can only predict and guess, measure the charts from time to time and then conclude. My experience in seeing the movement of BTC from year to year is like that, but as an exception for 2018 it can be said that in 2015-2016 it is very unpredictable because the price of people predicts that for the end of the year BTC will rise and before rising BTC will decrease in price , but what happened in that year BTC even decreased, just like in 2018, well recently in 2019 the BTC began to creep up. Maybe it can be concluded that the price cycle of the BTC is not even per year but every two years. And of course these events are usually marked by events such as halving or others. For Altcoins I think altcoin is waiting and following how BTC moves. If BTC is indeed confused and always asks who owns BTC to be able to move the price revolution in the market, while Altcoins can clearly be held by investors, communities or others, so altcoin or tokens do follow how BTC takes action from time to time.

[Getmon]

This no manipulation. There is nothing manipulated in today's decline in prices. There was probably a few big Bitcoin investors who are dumping their coins. That is is very normal. Sometimes, one dumps, another time one buys causing a pump. This manipulation theory has been passing around as if everything that is happening within crypto is an act of one person or two who is like a god in controlling and manipulating everything.

[asriloni]

usually before the pump, the market always falls. and today I see the market experiencing a decline, especially for bitcoin and several other big altcoins. in recent days bitcoin may be able to hold above 9k, but in the end it still falls.

then I wonder if this is really the downfall before the pump?
considering that soon we will enter the end of Q4 2019, and in Q2 2020 bitcoin will be halving. so now is the last time the Whales buy cheap btc. that's why the market was deliberately manipulated to make the price of bitcoin go down. and after that they pump slowly to look like market growth.

so what do you think, is my thinking wrong?

What you have been mentioned in your first paragraph is something that happened before, there have been some bitcoin futures contract and bakkt. After that, the trend in the market has drastically changed to a different way like when bitcoin can hold the upper value and then it gets a downtrend.

It's not a downfall before the pump. The market has already changed into the way that put the usability at the top of everything to create FOMO. I'm not sure about that when you are seeing how litecoin was going back again to the bottom after the hype of halving has brought litecoin to the top. That is not how the market works today. Why were the whales pumping it in the past due to the bakkt? If the whales can get cheap bitcoin at that time.