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Title: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 16, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
Scientists have found HIV fragments in the virus DNA (https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/) that seem unlikely to be naturally evolved.

We know that this virus has certain unprecedented behaviors, like long incubation period, asymptomatic transmission, ease of transmission and severe re-infection that seem designed to evade containment.

And FWIW, the White House announced an investigation (https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/) of the virus as a weapon.

But, if you think that the shenanigans stop with the Chinese government, think again.  Apparently, a Canadian lab (ie one exempt from strict post-9/11 rules on securing bio agents) has been in the habit of getting its vials 'stolen' by Chinese.  Strangely, its director just died while attending a conference in Kenya.  For details and background, see this link (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa).

To make the plot even thicker, it seems the virus predominantly targets East Asians (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ew2usu/preliminary_studies_suggest_wuhan_coronavirus_is/) who have a far higher proportion of ACE2 receptor cells than Caucasians, Africans or Arabs.  (It's through these receptors that the virus binds to and attacks human cells.)

I don't know anything beyond the public information.  What I can say is:

Objectively, at the end of the expansionary phase of the asset-inflation cycle of the modern financial and economic system, it benefits the long-term stability of the system to have a reset or re-calibration.  Such an event is always painful, at the very least transferring wealth from one set of people to another.  But if it can be blamed on something other than the core nature of the system, then it's a net benefit to the system.  (This applies to the Chinese economy, all other economies, and the global economy as a whole.)


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: squatz1 on February 17, 2020, 10:24:52 PM
I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: dvmmayowa on February 17, 2020, 10:27:25 PM
Could the break out also have been as a result of the wild fire incident in Australia? Just like a colleague of mine told me today, most time we have catastrophic incidences that disrupts the wildlife ecosystem, then the resultant is the break out of a particular disease or the other.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 18, 2020, 01:59:53 AM
I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: CoinCube on February 18, 2020, 04:03:21 AM
I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news.

You are wrong to summarily dismiss the information provided by the OP.

For example it is possible that the ACE2 receptor the required binding site of SARS and probably the new COVID-19 virus is much more prevalent in Asians particularly Asian males. There is a study that supports this conclusion but it has a very small sample size so it’s conclusion cannot be taken with certainly. However there are also multiple news reports indicating men in China are getting hit harder with this disease than women.

Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
Quote
“These data indicated that ACE2 is likely to be the receptor for 2019-nCov.
...
“In total, we analyzed 43,134 cells derived from normal lung tissue of 8 adult donors. ”
...
“For all donors, ACE2 is expressed in 0.64% of all human lung cells.”
...
“Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).
We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.”

There is also the fact that earliest identified patient zero had no connection at all to the animal market that the media keep pushing as the source of this.

Coronavirus Patient Zero: Why Wuhan market may not be the epicentre of deadly China virus
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1235463/Coronavirus-patient-zero-Wuhan-market-China-virus-epicentre-coronavirus-latest-China-news

Consider also that Virus-hit Wuhan has the only laboratory in China capable of working with deadly viruses and these two laboratories have been cited by intelligence agents as linked to Chinese bio-warfare program.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

Is this a biowapon that slipped out? There is no smoking gun yet but the possibility cannot be casually dismissed.

Edit: 3/4/20 With the mortality reports in Iran, Italy, and Washington State its is clear this is getting everyone sick and is not limited to any particular group or race.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: CoinCube on February 18, 2020, 04:14:10 AM
I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.



Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 18, 2020, 02:22:04 PM
I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.



Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.



  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BADecker on February 18, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.


Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.



  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.


Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 18, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.


Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.



  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.


Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect :)


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Naida_BR on February 18, 2020, 04:35:13 PM
I think that Corona Virus can be the basis of building fatal viruses in the future that can be used as weapons.
It is true that this virus is not created naturally, so if scientists would be able to isolate the main virus then this would create more viruses that we don't have a remedy yet.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: coolcoinz on February 18, 2020, 06:41:39 PM
  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.


I once had a high fever and shivers, so I went to see a doctor. This was Sunday and normal clinics were closed, I had to go to the hospital. The doctor seemed annoyed that he, the specialist, has to see me when he has more important patients to look after and that I should have gone to the clinic. I explained that it's Sunday and they're closed, but he kept complaining and rolling his eyes. Finally gave me a perscription for an antibiotic and that was it. I felt like shit from the sickness and he managed to make it even worse.
Throat infectiopns and influenzas make the best bio weapons because they are so common and we tend to ignore the symptoms or mitigate them with painkillers.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Jet Cash on February 18, 2020, 06:43:03 PM
The reason Asian males are more susceptible than females is that few Asian females smoke. It is smoking that affects the receptors, and not
 the sex of the infected.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BADecker on February 18, 2020, 09:17:35 PM

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect :)


But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

8)


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: CoinCube on February 19, 2020, 02:24:02 PM

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect :)


But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

8)

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BADecker on February 19, 2020, 04:01:50 PM

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect :)


But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

8)

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

Good point!

But when things happen fast, like CV, we need fast answers. Finding the data scientifically can be a painstakingly long process of experimentation, and testing on animals. By the time we find out what works, or what is bad for us, millions might be dead anyway.

In cases like CV, isn't it better to listen to folklore, and use what has seemed to work for thousands of years? If such doesn't work, at least it has been tested for centuries so that people know it isn't poison. If it were poison, people would have been warned away from it for ages, already.

8)


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 19, 2020, 04:04:47 PM

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

8)

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect :)


But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

8)

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

 Next to coffee it's my second favourite beverage

 https://i.imgur.com/GOXWuml.png

  Socată

 Good to know it has some benefits :)



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 19, 2020, 09:39:11 PM

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.


As a weapon for killing people, it would be a failure.  But as a weapon to deflate economic activity, it's brilliant.  The latter is what I've suspected it is.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 19, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
The reason Asian males are more susceptible than females is that few Asian females smoke. It is smoking that affects the receptors, and not
 the sex of the infected.

This was what I once thought, after reading some commentary.  But when examining the data, you can see clearly it's largely untrue.  The vast majority of smokers in China are male, but they make up only slightly over half of serious cases.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 19, 2020, 09:57:57 PM
I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.

The two articles are not really contradictory to each other, are they?  It does look like one news source is spinning the information one way and the other is spinning another way -- business as usual.

I'm not sure which sites I linked to are click-bait money making types.  Whatever you say of ZeroHedge or GreatGameIndia, they're definitely not what you describe.

Do you have any other reason to think this is 'fake news?'

FWIW, China has, and Japan has announced, that HIV drugs will be used to treat the illness.  This would tend to confirm the claim that there are HIV fragments in the virus DNA.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: squatz1 on February 19, 2020, 10:10:39 PM
I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.

The two articles are not really contradictory to each other, are they?  It does look like one news source is spinning the information one way and the other is spinning another way -- business as usual.

I'm not sure which sites I linked to are click-bait money making types.  Whatever you say of ZeroHedge or GreatGameIndia, they're definitely not what you describe.

Do you have any other reason to think this is 'fake news?'

FWIW, China has, and Japan has announced, that HIV drugs will be used to treat the illness.  This would tend to confirm the claim that there are HIV fragments in the virus DNA.

It's not that they're contradictory, its that the news sources are wrong. They're saying that they're the ones that cracked the code in saying that they found that it was a bioweapon -- which it isn't. They're also saying that the WH agrees with them in that its a bioweapon -- which isn't true, the WH is only asking scientists to try to find the origin.

The website is just full of BS news, there's no way to support it.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Negotiation on February 20, 2020, 10:12:36 AM
It seems to me that this is just a fraud for Chinese politics ???

You are right that they are spreading false rumors about the Coronavirus as no other country can understand it and help them financially I think this is happening in many other cities in China not China. It is usually HIV when it comes to illicit sex. I don't think it's possible to cure.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: imjeybi1208 on February 20, 2020, 01:49:22 PM
It is no secret that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime, although a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention, views the development of biological weapons as a key element in achieving world domination by military means. He Fuchu, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, said in 2015 that biomaterials were the new means of "strategic control" of war.

General Zhang Shibo of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) went even further in his book War's New High Land, published in 2017, saying that "the development of modern biotechnology allows us to gradually see the strong sides of its offensive use ”, including the potential for “ genetic attacks against specific ethnic groups ”.

In other words, General Zhang is talking about biological weapons that kill other races, but not people like him who have natural or acquired immunity against these weapons. Those who might think that he is not necessarily speaking on behalf of the leadership of the Chinese State Party should know that this disastrous general was president of the PLA National Defense University and a full member of the 18th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (2012-2017).

So, as far as intentions are concerned, I think there is indisputable evidence that the CCP would develop offensive biological warfare weapons if it could. But is he capable of it? What do we know about China's capabilities in this area?


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: KingScorpio on February 20, 2020, 11:31:55 PM
Scientists have found HIV fragments in the virus DNA (https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/) that seem unlikely to be naturally evolved.

We know that this virus has certain unprecedented behaviors, like long incubation period, asymptomatic transmission, ease of transmission and severe re-infection that seem designed to evade containment.

And FWIW, the White House announced an investigation (https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/) of the virus as a weapon.

But, if you think that the shenanigans stop with the Chinese government, think again.  Apparently, a Canadian lab (ie one exempt from strict post-9/11 rules on securing bio agents) has been in the habit of getting its vials 'stolen' by Chinese.  Strangely, its director just died while attending a conference in Kenya.  For details and background, see this link (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/canadian-scientist-center-chinese-bio-espionage-probe-found-dead-africa).

To make the plot even thicker, it seems the virus predominantly targets East Asians (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ew2usu/preliminary_studies_suggest_wuhan_coronavirus_is/) who have a far higher proportion of ACE2 receptor cells than Caucasians, Africans or Arabs.  (It's through these receptors that the virus binds to and attacks human cells.)

I don't know anything beyond the public information.  What I can say is:

Objectively, at the end of the expansionary phase of the asset-inflation cycle of the modern financial and economic system, it benefits the long-term stability of the system to have a reset or re-calibration.  Such an event is always painful, at the very least transferring wealth from one set of people to another.  But if it can be blamed on something other than the core nature of the system, then it's a net benefit to the system.  (This applies to the Chinese economy, all other economies, and the global economy as a whole.)


how do you knwo this is not some kind of fake news that is being spread by arabs and africans to push their racist agenda?


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 21, 2020, 01:04:54 AM

It's not that they're contradictory, its that the news sources are wrong. They're saying that they're the ones that cracked the code in saying that they found that it was a bioweapon -- which it isn't. They're also saying that the WH agrees with them in that its a bioweapon -- which isn't true, the WH is only asking scientists to try to find the origin.

The website is just full of BS news, there's no way to support it.

I don't think any source is saying the 'code has been cracked', whatever that means.  One source is saying HIV fragments have been found in the virus DNA, and that these fragments are unlikely to have evolved naturally.  This is not the same as claiming it's a bioweapon, even though it does raise the suspicion.

Also I don't think anyone is claiming the White House agrees it's a bioweapon.  The White House is looking into the possibility.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on February 21, 2020, 01:17:20 AM
It is no secret that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime, although a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention, views the development of biological weapons as a key element in achieving world domination by military means. He Fuchu, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, said in 2015 that biomaterials were the new means of "strategic control" of war.

General Zhang Shibo of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) went even further in his book War's New High Land, published in 2017, saying that "the development of modern biotechnology allows us to gradually see the strong sides of its offensive use ”, including the potential for “ genetic attacks against specific ethnic groups ”.

In other words, General Zhang is talking about biological weapons that kill other races, but not people like him who have natural or acquired immunity against these weapons. Those who might think that he is not necessarily speaking on behalf of the leadership of the Chinese State Party should know that this disastrous general was president of the PLA National Defense University and a full member of the 18th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (2012-2017).

So, as far as intentions are concerned, I think there is indisputable evidence that the CCP would develop offensive biological warfare weapons if it could. But is he capable of it? What do we know about China's capabilities in this area?

I don't doubt that the Chinese regime has strong ambitions in biological warfare.

The US has been the leader in this field for decades, and its ambition was demonstrated by its special treatment of the Japanese bioweapons team responsible for the notorious Unit 731 lab in occupied Northeast China (Manchuria) during the war.  The US Surgeon General estimated that half a million Chinese prisoners died under the bioweaponry experiments performed on them by Unit 731.  (The team was not only specially excluded from war crimes trials, but had long, distinguished careers in the US for decades afterwards.  It looks like the US really wanted their data and their talent.)

It also seems a little strange (but not totally impossible) that the Chinese regime would release something that targets not foreigners, but its own people, genetically.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: 415jeremy on February 21, 2020, 04:23:22 AM
I think that Corona Virus can be neither a bioweapon, nor a basis for building it in the future. If you conclude that the corona was not created naturally, why is it so hard to find a remedy?


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: NoobRichard on February 25, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
wow that's unexpected! anyway China has a good reputation about trying to lessen the number of population via sevaral government backed large scale human extincting programs and this is not the first time they have done so...


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on February 25, 2020, 09:01:19 AM
 Wuhan Institute of Virology from 4-12-2015
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Research2016/Research_Progress2016/201712/t20171215_187953.html

Quote
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans.

Recently, Prof. Zhengli Shi and Xingyi Ge from WIV, in cooperation with researchers from University of North Carolina, Harvard Medical School, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology and etc, examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, the scientists generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

On the basis of these findings, they synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. The work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: klava1983 on February 29, 2020, 01:34:06 PM
Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on February 29, 2020, 02:01:20 PM
No, but it helps the looming pension crises.
Numbers in from China, 44,672 case

AgeInfectedDied
0-10  0.90%0%
10-19  1.20%0.10%
20-29  8.10%0.70%
30-39  17.00%0.20%
40-49  19.20%0.40%
50-59  22.40%1.35%
60-69  19.20%3.60%
70-79  8.80%8.00%
80+  3.20%14.80%

13.2% of the death hat existing cardiovascular disease
9.2% had high blood sugar
8.4% already had hypertension
8% had chronic respiratory disease before
7.6% had cancer
1.4% had no known disease

Of the infected 4.7% Men and 2.8% Women died.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: tvbcof on February 29, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 

By that measure so is the 5.56 NATO round.  As a matter of fact, included in the list of properties of that round was that it often maimed rather than killed and thus increased the strain on the enemy who had to allocate more resources to deal with the wounded person.

My point is that most people have an extremely simplified understanding of strategy and tactics and thus what makes a good weapon.  Or even what a 'weapon' is for that matter.  Non-lethal biological weapons can be a much better tool than lethal ones or nukes.

It might be possible to collapse a country like China with non-lethal biological weapons.  The trick is to get the Chinese people to do the heavy lifting work of ousting the CCP, and it very well may work out that way (no matter what actually happened with SARS++ which is still a big mystery.)

It's increasingly clear that 2019 nCoV is a lab created thing.  (Less clear, to me, is whether this is actually the main thing killing people...if people are actually even dying...or just some bacteriaphage along for the ride, plays a small part with it's AIDS component, or is just there for the purpose of confusing people.)  I could see this turning into a giant game of blind-mans-buff as various countries react to perceived attacks in an every increasing spiral of vengeance.

Maybe that is the idea?  When the dust settles it will be a 'new world'...and it will need new leaders.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: franky1 on March 01, 2020, 04:43:25 AM
do some research folks
corona virus has been around since the 1960's
its not new.
each strain each year varies abit due to natural mutation.

each more severe strain usually gets given a big buzzword name like sars or mers. and all other varients are just called flu

the reason the word corona virus has not been spoken in media so much is because instead of letting communities really study it and check how severe it is. media grabbed it before it got a public name and misunderstood it and just gave it the broad term corona virus because they didnt know any better.

so now people suddenly think corona is new, and deadly.
fact is corona viruses have been around for over 60 years

and yes just because you got the flu 2 years ago doesnt mean you'll never get the flu again.
just stop trying to make out that this seasons flu is a 99% killer.. when the reality is if your under 50yo you got a 99% chance of being fine
stop trying to make out its as bd as aids where once you got it your stuck with it and eventually will be the death of you.
flu's come and go. new seasons new years new sniffles and coughs

heck i bet people didnt even know that swine flu was actually called
porcine delta corona virus

yep corona virus is common.
but each year the strain changes and causes a different symptoms
in short. its the friggen flue and been around since the 1960's so will everyone calm the hell down with all the conspiracy theories

as for the stupidity of linking it to HIV
HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
this does not mean corona20 causes hiv or mutated from hiv. it just means general antibiotics used for many purposes are being used for corona 20.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 01, 2020, 05:11:24 AM
...........
HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
 

Bullocks, injecting Anti-biotics, aka against living organisms = death does not protect from anything it kills bacteria, fungus....
It does so very effective including the good bacteria which the body needs.

It can not kill a virus as it is not alive to start with. Viruses can not reproduce and need a host to make more of them.
Once host is infected it will stay with the host until the temperature reaches 30°C / 86°F, outliving the host.
Once the immune overpowers it, it keeps it under control, seduces it. Some viruses are crafty and escape easy, herpes reappearances are common.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 06:02:20 AM
...........
HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
 

Bullocks, injecting Anti-biotics, aka against living organisms = death does not protect from anything it kills bacteria, fungus....
It does so very effective including the good bacteria which the body needs.

It can not kill a virus as it is not alive to start with. Viruses can not reproduce and need a host to make more of them.
Once host is infected it will stay with the host until the temperature reaches 30°C / 86°F, outliving the host.
Once the immune overpowers it, it keeps it under control, seduces it. Some viruses are crafty and escape easy, herpes reappearances are common.

TIL viruses can be seductive.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Naida_BR on March 01, 2020, 06:16:57 AM
Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 

You can never know how this virus started.
Having said that, saying that it is a bio weapon is a same saying like claiming that it started from a guy that ate a bat soup.
Everything is possible in the world that we are living and every claim should be investigated thoroughly.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: KingScorpio on March 01, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
No, but it helps the looming pension crises.
Numbers in from China, 44,672 case

AgeInfectedDied
0-10  0.90%0%
10-19  1.20%0.10%
20-29  8.10%0.70%
30-39  17.00%0.20%
40-49  19.20%0.40%
50-59  22.40%1.35%
60-69  19.20%3.60%
70-79  8.80%8.00%
80+  3.20%14.80%

13.2% of the death hat existing cardiovascular disease
9.2% had high blood sugar
8.4% already had hypertension
8% had chronic respiratory disease before
7.6% had cancer
1.4% had no known disease

Of the infected 4.7% Men and 2.8% Women died.



thank good for that virus, it will help keeping burden of the young population in developed countries, hope there will be also soon a virus that is hungry for the blood cells of migrants this could also have beneficial effect for the world's security


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: blackfishsoup on March 01, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
I think the point here is not to reduce the number of people. People are randomly in this game of elites. I don't know exactly what the virus was created for, but the fact that it is an artificial virus is clear to me.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: IIV on March 01, 2020, 04:34:35 PM
The Chinese might have been creating a new bioweapon and they miscalculated the how potent the transmission is and it spread from there.
FYI, Wuhan is the center for medical research in China.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Aymenfad on March 01, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
it seems conspiracy theories infect us quicker than the virus itself. This time, the basic idea behind all of them is that the origins of COVID-19 in Wuhan, home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is suspicious. From that point, some claim that it escaped the lab accidentally after being used in a regular, if risky, experiment, or a bioweapons program. Others suggest it was released deliberately.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 01, 2020, 07:21:10 PM
The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are:  Human Coronavirus Types (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html)

This video is 10 years old and he tells events as they unfold.
The Anglo-Saxon Mission  (June 18, 2010)
https://youtu.be/TmWM51mTY_c?t=882


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: franky1 on March 02, 2020, 12:29:15 AM
...........
HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
 

Bullocks, injecting Anti-biotics, aka against living organisms = death does not protect from anything it kills bacteria, fungus....
It does so very effective including the good bacteria which the body needs.

It can not kill a virus as it is not alive to start with. Viruses can not reproduce and need a host to make more of them.
Once host is infected it will stay with the host until the temperature reaches 30°C / 86°F, outliving the host.
Once the immune overpowers it, it keeps it under control, seduces it. Some viruses are crafty and escape easy, herpes reappearances are common.

again. not to try getting into a rebuttal. but things like antibiotics are not to cure things like HIV
let me take a second to remind you of the V
its VIRUS
its to protect people against other things that way if someone who is old and has a weak imune system for instance based on diabetes or something else. if they get corona they dont also want their body fighting off something else at the same time. like many things like ecoli, MRSA and such.

again. antibiotics are not used to cure HIV or corona.
there is no link between HIV and corona.
again. the medication that people with weak immune systems already due to many reasons. will be given things like antibiotics which these many things like diebetes hiv corona can cause weak immune systems

again. just to try and clarify to you. the media and some numpties here are trying hard to make it sound like corona is HIV based. purely due to the medication corona sufferers get also being medication HIV sufferers get.
it has nothing to do with curing the virus..
get that point?
its to do with helping them be protected from other stuff while their immune system is compromised by things like HIV, diebetes and corona

here is an analogy for you
if you smoke. one thing doctors advise is to use toothpaste to prevent gum and teeth problems with smoking
if you eat candy one thing doctors advise is to use toothpaste to prevent gum and teeth problems with candy
stupid people will say that candy is related to smoking. all due to toothpaste advice
do you get it. do you get the stupidity of that assumption?


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: CoinCube on March 02, 2020, 01:08:19 AM
Wuhan Institute of Virology from 4-12-2015
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Research2016/Research_Progress2016/201712/t20171215_187953.html

Quote
The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans.

Recently, Prof. Zhengli Shi and Xingyi Ge from WIV, in cooperation with researchers from University of North Carolina, Harvard Medical School, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology and etc, examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, the scientists generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

On the basis of these findings, they synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. The work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

Determining truth is often a matter of piecing together clues.

This information above is one clue. It tells us that part of the research being done at the Wuhan institute of virology included deliberately modifying the spike proteins of animal coronaviruses (part of the virus that binds to a cell) in order to allow it to bind and infect human cells. The most logical reason one would pursue such research is biowarfare.

In addition this particular coronavirus has some very unusual proprieties never before seen in the coronavirus family. Specifically it has genes that allow it to bind to furin which would allow it to attach to and infect cells via the same binding mechanism HIV uses. That is why you see news articles about HIV drugs being used to treat this. Is this unexpected addition to the coronavirus natural? You will have to decide that. What is fact is that it is technically possible for this to be a human created addition.

Chinese scientists desperately researching coronavirus discover that it shares human cell binding site with HIV
https://www.rt.com/news/481837-coronavirus-research-cell-binding-hiv/
Quote from: RT
It is well-known by now that 2019-nCoV shares over 80 percent of its DNA with Sars virus, making the cause of the 2002/3 outbreak in Southeast Asia its closest genetic relative. Sars invaded the human body by binding to a receptor protein, called ACE2, on the membranes of cells. But this was ultimately the downfall of that virus — ACE2 is rare in the cells of healthy people, which limited the spread of Sars significantly, resulting in it burning itself out by 2004. In the end, only about 8,000 people worldwide were infected, as compared to covid-19 which has already infected over 80,000 people.

Unlike Sars, the novel Coronavirus has a section of genes that are absent from the Sars genome, according to this research. In fact, they bear resemblance to genes found in HIV and Ebola. These genes may encode for a different pathway targeting the protein furin on human cells, which is how HIV and Ebola attack. If it operates as those other viruses do, this mutation could make it up to 1,000 times better at binding to human cells than Sars.

A third clue is the strange silence about patient zero. Where is the race to find the first infected patient. Why the persistent promotion of the Wuhan animal market as the source of this when it was clear from the beginning that the first known cases did not come from that market. Why has their been complete silence on tracing the origin of this for weeks? One possibility is that the Communist in China know where and how this started and don't want that known. While it is possible for a virus to cross from the animal to the human population anywhere it certainly is an odd coincidence that this would happen right next to the only lab in china where they handle these deadly disease and are known to conduct coronavirus gain of function research.

The totality of the admittedly circumstantial evidence points to this being a man made disaster courtesy of human stupidity. However, it does not really matter much at the moment. Regardless of how this started it is everybody's problem now.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 02, 2020, 01:37:24 AM
Looking at the ending of the genome is very clear that it is made.
That is like a bitcoin address with nothing but 33 a's, nature does not work like so.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN908947.3

How could he have know all this years ago
https://youtu.be/TmWM51mTY_c?t=900


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: CoinCube on March 02, 2020, 02:30:44 AM
Looking at the ending of the genome is very clear that it is made.
That is like a bitcoin address with nothing but 33 a's, nature does not work like so.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN908947.3

How could he have know all this years ago
https://youtu.be/TmWM51mTY_c?t=900

I do believe the circumstantial evidence suggests that this virus might be man made likely in the Wuhan institute of virology but be careful for in looking for conspiracy you have crossed the line into claims that are false.

You are incorrect when you say the multiple repeating a's in the viruses genome are incompatible with nature. Such repeats are known to exist in viruses. This one in particular is known to exist in the HIV virus.

Long Terminal Repeats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_terminal_repeat
Quote
Long terminal repeats (LTRs) are identical sequences of DNA that repeat hundreds or thousands of times found at either end of retrotransposons or proviral DNA formed by reverse transcription of retroviral RNA.[1] They are used by viruses to insert their genetic material into the host genomes.[1]
...
HIV-1
Poly A plays roles both in dimerization and genome packaging since it is necessary for cleavage and polyadenylation. It has been reported that sequences upstream (U3 region) and downstream (U5 region) are needed in order to make the cleavage process efficient.[9]

While one must never underestimate the capacity for human evil which indeed is almost boundless Hanlon's razor nevertheless remains true in most circumstances. "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Evil as we are we are more stupid then evil.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: BobK71 on March 06, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
I would totally understand if people think its unthinkable that any government will ever release a virus deliberately.

But think of World War I, an even worse catastrophe.  The media is still struggling to explain why the US and UK joined the war, getting almost a million Britons killed.  Objectively, that war did move the seat of the global money and imperial bubble from Britain to a friendly US, while knocking unfriendly Germany out of the running.

From the elites' point of view, think of the consequences of doing nothing.  If this 'everything bubble' is allowed to keep inflating, its eventual messy burst would not only create a worldwide economic disaster, but also point the blame more directly at the money system, which is the basis of the elites' power.

All I'm saying is, let's keep an open mind.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Mttewndew on March 06, 2020, 10:24:33 PM
It is quite possible. In addition, there are many reasons why this happened in China. China is a progressive country. In order to slow it down - biological weapons were used. I would not be surprised if a 100% active vaccine was originally from those who created this virus.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: IIV on March 07, 2020, 07:38:20 AM
We should be open to any thought on this. The strain is not natural.
And Wuhan is not just another Chinese city, it's the center for Chinese medical research and studies.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 07, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
We should be open to any thought on this. The strain is not natural.
And Wuhan is not just another Chinese city, it's the center for Chinese medical research and studies.
Level 4 labs dont do any medical research or studies this lever is reserved for military use only.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Artemis3 on March 07, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
We should be open to any thought on this. The strain is not natural.
And Wuhan is not just another Chinese city, it's the center for Chinese medical research and studies.
Level 4 labs dont do any medical research or studies this lever is reserved for military use only.

Actually they can. Its simply they are authorized to handle even more dangerous things, that have no cure...

If they followed protocol for a proper Biosafety Level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level) 4 lab, it seems not possible for a virus to casually "escape".

Perhaps the theory of patient zero has some merit, an accident within the lab that warranted that patient being treated in the hospital (Dec 1, 2019).

If you read the linked Wikipedia article, you'll notice that SARS-CoV-2 is being handled in Level 3 facilities (same as SARS, and MERS before).

Biosafety level 1 is suitable for work with well-characterized agents which do not cause disease in healthy humans.
Biosafety level 2 is suitable for work involving agents of moderate potential hazard to personnel and the environment.
Biosafety level 3 is appropriate for work involving microbes which can cause serious and potentially lethal disease via the inhalation route.
Biosafety level 4 is the highest level of biosafety precautions, and is appropriate for work with agents that could easily be aerosol-transmitted within the laboratory and cause severe to fatal disease in humans for which there are no available vaccines or treatments.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 07, 2020, 09:46:02 AM
You right, apparently 51 active level 4 labs exist in the world, one in Wuhan, China.
15 in USA, 6 UK, 4 Australia and Germany, 3 India, 2 in Italy, Romania, Taiwan, Switzerland and Japan (1*),  *no longer operational
1 each in Belarus, Canada, China, Czech, France, Gabon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabon), Netherlands, Russia, South Africa and Sweden


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------..................................................Level
Virology Laboratory of the Qld Department of HealthAus, Qld, Coopers Plains4
University of Qld, Sir Albert Sakzewski Virus Research Centre (SASVRC)Aus, Qld, Herston3+4
Australian Animal Health LaboratoryAus, Victoria, Geelong4
National High Security LaboratoryAus, Victoria, North Melbourne4
Republican Research & Practical Center for Epidemiology and MicrobiologyBelarus, Minsk4
National Microbiology LaboratoryCanada, Manitoba, Winnipeg4
Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of SciencesChina, Hubei, Wuhan3 - 4
Biological Defense CenterCzech Republic, Pardubice, Těchonín4
Laboratoire P4 Jean MérieuxFrance, Rhône-Alpes, Lyon4
Centre International de Recherches Médicales de FrancevilleGabon4
Robert Koch InstituteGermany, Berlin4
Bernhard Nocht Institute for Tropical MedicineGermany, Hamburg4
Friedrich Loeffler Institute on the Isle of RiemsGermany, Isle of Riems 4
Philipps University of MarburgGermany, Marburg4
High Security Animal Disease Laboratory (HSADL)India, Bhopal4
Centre for Cellular and Molecular BiologyIndia, Hyderabad4
All India Institute of Medical SciencesIndia, New Delhi1-4
Azienda Ospedaliera Ospedale Luigi SaccoItaly, Lombardy, Milan4
Istituto Nazionale Malattie InfettiveItaly, Rome, Rome4
National Institute for Infectious DiseasesJapan, Kantō, Tokyo3 (4)
Institute of Physical and Chemical ResearchJapan, Kantō, Tsukuba 4*
Netherlands National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM)Netherlands, Bilthoven3 - 4
Cantacuzino Microbiological Research Institute (INCDMI)Romania, Bucharest4
"Dr. Carol Davila" Central Military HospitalRomania, Bucharest3 - 4
State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTORRussia, Novosibirsk Oblast, Koltsovo1 - 4
National Institute for Communicable DiseasesSouth Africa, Johannesburg4
Swedish Institute for Communicable Disease ControlSweden, Solna4
Institute of Virology and Immunoprophylaxis (IVI)Switzerland, Mittelhäusern4
High Containment Laboratory DDPS (SiLab)Switzerland, Spiez4
Kwen-yang Laboratory (昆陽實驗室) Center of Disease ControlTaiwan4
Preventive Medical Institute of ROC Ministry of National DefenseTaiwan4
Health Protection Agency's Centre for InfectionsUnited Kingdom, Colindale4
National Institute for Medical ResearchUnited Kingdom, London4
Institute for Animal HealthUnited Kingdom, Pirbright4
Defence Science and Technology LaboratoryUnited Kingdom, Porton Down4
Health Protection AgencyUnited Kingdom, Porton Down4
Health Protection AgencyUnited Kingdom, Porton Down4
Centers for Disease Control and PreventionUS, Georgia, Atlanta4
Georgia State UniversityUS, Georgia, Atlanta4
National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility (NBAF), Kansas State UniversityUS, Kansas, Manhattan4
National Institutes of Health (NIH)US, Bethesda4
Integrated Research FacilityUS, Maryland, Fort Detrick4
National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC)US, Maryland, Fort Detrick4
US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID)US, Maryland, Fort Detrick4
US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID)US, Maryland, Fort Detrick4
National Emerging Infectious Diseases Lab (NEIDL), Boston UniversityUS, Massachusetts, Boston4
NIAID Rocky Mountain LaboratoriesUS, Montana, Hamilton4
Kent State University, Kent CampusUS, Ohio, Kent3-4
Galveston National Laboratory, National Biocontainment FacilityUS, Texas, Galveston4
Shope LaboratoryUS, Texas, Galveston4
Texas Biomedical Research InstituteUS, Texas, San Antonio3+4
Division of Consolidated Laboratory ServicesUS, Virginia, Richmond4


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Tash on March 26, 2020, 11:07:59 AM

A lot has happend and some amazing work.
They claim 5 strains exist, so you can get it 5 times and the "L" strain is the lethal one.
3 key names.
Maatja Benassi
Matt Benassi
Benny Benassi
https://youtu.be/H8DRouhUIsQ


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Subbir on March 26, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
I don't think that the Coronavirus Bioweapon it always happens in natural ways The pandemic is caused by natural causes  but this coronavirus originated from China China is now almost unable to seek out how to cure failed doctors and doctors are almost tired. it's deadly but if the strain isn't natural then the coronavirus isn't a strain.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: tvbcof on March 26, 2020, 01:28:45 PM

A lot has happend and some amazing work.
They claim 5 strains exist, so you can get it 5 times and the "L" strain is the lethal one.
3 key names.
Maatja Benassi
Matt Benassi
Benny Benassi
https://youtu.be/H8DRouhUIsQ

E-gad.  I didn't know that comedy troupe was still around.  I liked the brother 'Dave Acton' back when he was going strong.

I didn't watch much mostly because it's buffering so badly and because there are a lot more credible sources without such a sordid history.  I've got like three vids paused half-way already.

FWIW, I found truthstreammedia's latest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLBXfKDbbI) to be worth the watch.



Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: Meowth05 on March 27, 2020, 05:01:37 AM
Just because it infected many people and it came from China means that it is a bioweapon or something, the links you gave are all clickbaits. Use your common sense and think for yourself, plus you are on the Internet then you should know that most information are taken with a grain of salt. Watch the news, they are likely to give accurate information.


Title: Re: Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?
Post by: tvbcof on March 27, 2020, 05:35:37 AM
Just because it infected many people and it came from China means that it is a bioweapon or something, the links you gave are all clickbaits. Use your common sense and think for yourself, plus you are on the Internet then you should know that most information are taken with a grain of salt. Watch the news, they are likely to give accurate information.

Anything is possible, but this seems like one of the least likely things to start happening any time soon.