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Open Letter to @theymos and @Darkstar_,

I had warned you last time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.0) about the dirty tactics the fake and corrupt DT cult employs to control who gets to make any money on this forum.

I received total silence from you, an air of general incredulity from most forum members, and ludicrous criticism with ulterior motives from the alt account army of the "salaried employees" of Bitcointalk who would sell their souls and their families too to make a few extra bucks here at the expense of alienating highly qualified intellectual members, many of whom have already left this forum, as I'm sure you've also noticed.

Please check below how desperately toxic terrorist ~lauda is trying to intercede yet again in the Chipmixer selections, and I hope at the very least one of you can finally make an honest statement with a straight face, that the currently most lucrative activity in this forum will have more meritocratic selections this time:

https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/05/10/r20VqS.png


All the Best

Special Note for full disclosure:

Any toxic libelous commentary by the alt account / sockpuppet army of the DT cult will be immediately deleted while the well meaning members of this forum wait for an honest statement from either theymos or Darkstar_ about the mathematically provable corruption and foul interference going on in signature campaign selections.

Cmon lauda, this really wasn't necessary.

Maybe bounty manager is @Lauda?  ;)

I have no expectations about Bounty
I have no expectations about trust
I don't have any expectations from the forum anymore

is that why some of the shitposter and trolls get paid directly by Bitcointalk?

https://blockforums.org/topic/365-exposing-bitcointalk-corruption/

Agreed. The solution is quite simple though: ignore it! Who cares what someone on the internet says about you?

I don't expect theymos to get involved, freedom of speech prevails. DarkStar_ is more than capable to decide on his own, and ChipMixer clearly trusts him.

Ignorance is never a solution to anything, please don't try to derail this thread with extremely bad advice. Your nepotist position of trying to routinely cover up for the Reputation and DT trolls of this forum is noted and rejected.

We cannot speculate about the invisible virtues of DarkStar_, we can only judge him by his actions, and he has been led astray time and again by the army of DT character assassins in his decisions regarding the ChipMixer campaign; therefore either an improvement in his code of conduct or an interference by someone with greater authority on this forum or Chipmixer is necessary, both from a professional and ethical perspective.

It has long been known that you support corruption, i.e. you are one of the main corrupt officials

Ignoring the injustices done is disappointing. Bitcointalk users can get a negative trust due to freedom of speech (https://i.imgur.com/Ugam4yK.jpg). That is just a hypocrite behaviour and double standard.

What injustices? Lauda is not in DT. He doesn't make decisions in the Chipmixer campaign. What are you suggesting - banning Lauda for exercising his freedom of speech?

but all lauda'a fucking gang in dt and lauda with fortunejack sig

And who is lauda's gang exactly?

Users which lauda included in his trust network?
Users who agree with lauda at some points which you don't like?
Who?

Wth are you bubbling about again?

idiots, morons, liars and assholes like you
and all morons that distrusted me last week for last case that you calling trust system abuse
satisfied?)


i nothing said about you)

and didn't see you in attacking campaign to me last week

maybe you will change your attitude towards this situation and will join to this campaign i dont know  ::)

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but it's kinda sad and funny at the same time that your Trust in my judgement is gone (https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx) the moment I post something you don't like.

No, it's been gone long ago, your latest response just reminded me of how deep the DT corruption runs on this forum, that

and your manipulative threads like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5235038.msg54086561#msg54086561
where you try to gently impose Red China style group-think on Bitcointalk members...


For further reference, and fair warning to all BTT members, please don't let an ocean of minor statistical forum tools obsessively prepared by @LoyceV delude you into lending him an air of false credibility; he often uses them to attempt various tactics of oppression in the forum to benefit his own DT clique:


ps. the facetiously affable gentleman you've come to know as LoyceV is most certainly NOT "Switzerland"  ;)

no no no ))  this is not manipulative behavior))  ( when its do suchmoon or locev )
but its manipulative behavior when it do someone

double standard and corruption in they blood

Always look out for loyceV. That sneaky scumbag is on the gangs side make no mistake.
Lauda is clearly employing threats and extortion there.

Threatening to red tag members if they work with chipmixer is insane.
Get rid of lauda from this forum. He is a proven scammer and now this.

I would ask for help from GM he is the only member that seems to be straight and honest here. He is the only senior person to review the undeniable evidence of laudas scamming and scam pushing lies who at least acknowledged it was shitty behavior.

Enough is enough out of this person lauda. He is simply a tumour  that needs removal.

Why has nobody senior raised a flag on lauda ? The evidence of his scamming is undeniable and people may try to ignore it but if they actually tried to dispute or reject the flag that would endanger their rep greatly.

This latest threat to red tag members for applying or working with chipmixer is extortion or blackmail it should have a flag.

Loyce trying to gloss over it is like him all over. Stealthy and sneaky gang supporter.

There are many valuable members in the bitcointalk.org
I will not apply for this signature, I don't think if I will be accepted even if I apply
However, Darkstar_ can make a gesture by taking at least one Turkish member.
But i don't want other people in the world to be injured because of this racist attack
Even if it is not, it may throw a message condemning @Lauda

I hope it will be a fair choice, Good luck to everyone

No, I'd be really surprised if Theymos stepped in to mediate this issue and I'd bet money that he's not going to.

I don't think DarkStar_ is influenced by anything except his own judgement, nor do I think he is (or is going to start) discriminating against any particular group of members, like the Turkish community.  There are some very vocal and belligerent members in that community, but they don't represent the whole Turkish section by any means.  And Jesus, DarkStar_ has rejected applicants with near-perfect English who consistently make constructive posts and who'd usually be snapped up by another sig campaign in a heartbeat.  He's got high standards, but it doesn't necessarily follow that he's rejecting certain members because of prejudice.

Why should there even be one "token" member?  I think DarkStar_ ought to continue to accept only the best posters (and the most reputable ones) and not give in to this absurd nationalistic crusade you've been promulgating.

why not? Do you have a problem with the Turks?
I did not say that you must take it

This thread has absolute 0 to do with "discrimination against Turks", "nationalist zeal" or any other such bullshit that you keep bringing to threads of this nature in an all too familiar attempt to derail it yet again to mask your friends' heinous activities.

@wolwoo, please don't play into the hands of the mafia by giving them a chance to divert from mathematically proven corruption in Signature campaign selections.

I'll spell it out for you Pharmacist just once so you don't have to regurgitate the same straw man fallacy for the thousandth time:

There is a DT clique, which you seem to be oblivious to, acting in coordinated attacks to insure that a certain group of members keep artificially clean Trust sheets, so they get all the top positions in BTC signature bounties in this forum, while they also conspire with fake character assassination jobs, using useful idiots (and many alt accounts to upvote them) like ~jollygood and ~lauda to defame otherwise sound and better qualified members, who then keep getting rejected from these campaigns based on the false grounds they created.

Thus an army of mediocrity milks this forum for salaries in the form of "signature campaigns", while most of the much better qualified, meritocratic and innocent members have gotten alienated and abandoned the forum, disillusioned by the hypocrisy and feigned ignorance exhibited by members such as you and LoyceV, who seem to spend every day on Meta and Reputation boards, but mysteriously can't bring yourselves to state the blatantly obvious and take the side of truth and justice even one time...

Why should @theymos and @Darkstar_ get involved ? To save this forum from drowning in the cesspools of nepotism, hypocrisy and double standards, which have become the order of the day in Default Trust and Signature Campaign activities thanks to complicit members like you...

Yeah, Darkstar_ has such high standards for post quality that he selects Thepharmacist?
If thepharmacist could produce 5 of his best, original and thought provoking posts for analysis please?

This will be fun.

He's a full on retard. Been here years and in that time he has no achievement of any note at all.
He even admitted his biggest achievement here was getting on to chipmixer lol.

On top of this thepharmacist was busted for sneakily using a sock puppet account ( HugeBlackWoman) to slather racist trolling garbage all over the forum. He got caught because he was so greedy that even on his sock puppet racist account he was trying to jump from one sig to a slightly better paying sig.

So darkstar hires a racist sneaky greedy shitposter with zero achievements, who openly admits that he will support scammers like lauda out of loyalty even though he admits lauda may have done wrong.

Lol at darkstars exceedingly high standards.

Funny how darkstar hires nearly all of the gang like meta cult of shitposting scammer supporters. The ones that all send each other merit and all include each other on DT?

All these excuses they are bringing are not only bullshit. They are irrelevant. Darkstar does not control what lauda does to your account with trust abuse.  Lauda is clearly saying he will trust abuse members who apply or work with chipmixer

That is disgraceful.

These people making excuses for him with irrelevant crap are the usual gang...loycev , pharmacist etc etc
All happy wearing their chipmixer sigs are they not.

For future reference:

2 more pieces of evidence to how successful defamation activities can be in costing even selected participants thousands of dollars / month in earnings. ~lauda's and ~jollygood's behavior are the equivalent of financially scamming someone, their libel robs innocent people of most signature earnings, and these heinous individuals should belong in every sane user's black list;

in fact there is no other respectable website or organization that I know of where administrative staff would allow criminal scum like these to get whitewashed and protected by certain bad nepotist actors that have entrenched themselves in the community...  

ps. they will now create idle banter back and forth in the impostor thread to constantly keep it on top to continue trolling the forum with their black propaganda...

Considering that normally 1 / 10th of what they are doing would merit a ban on this forum, it's reasonable to assume someone or an organization with decisive authority on Bitcointalk is employing these useful trolls for their own dark agendas;

needless to say all this subtracts greatly from the integrity and prestige of Bitcointalk, and crypto space in general.


https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/05/11/repvuU.png

they gossip on the other page

https://66.media.tumblr.com/590918f3dd8ed64bdff5c42b4c860f3f/tumblr_ohq8y1NNDK1vglmgho1_400.gif

I have said it before, I will say it again. These people don't keep you out of the default trust because they are racist or hate Turks (except maybe Lauda). They do it because you are a unified group outside of their control which would be a direct threat to their unilateral control of the trust system and cornering of the signature market via extortion, threats, and trust system manipulation.

Finally someone telling the truth, Bravo
the only problem is: we are not unity
but if these attacks continue we can eventually become united :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr4OJ7po3T4&list=RDfzYS5Od0psM&index=30

This song is a gift to you (I haven't merit :) )

Similar to how you don't support "these people" because you care about them, you support them because they support you. You include people who put someone like this on DT1


not because you care about them, but because they responded to your inclusion mutually. All you are doing is defending other trust system manipulators because you are one of them. Much like them, your desire to be on DT1 supersedes your willingness to act rationally.

Those with an understanding of the purpose of DT and who can look at the issue objectively realize that people who would endorse wolwoo don't belong on DT1. People whose desire to be on DT1 overrides their sense of responsibility look the other way. That is the camp you fall into, and what binds your allegiances.

actually that means
everybody does but i can't, so i wrote  ;) I'm clumsy on these political issues

Well, for the record, I have nothing against you personally. I just don't think you should be on DT1.

I think you eat nutella too much, you got drunk ;D

I support (some) of them because they are a counterbalancing force to the totally unaccountable iron grip you and your red nosed red assed buddies have over the trust system. I have seen reliable evidence presented against almost none of these people who are regularly and perpetually attacked because they threaten the existing unilateral control of the trust system.

YOU ARE THE MAN  8) (meaning disappeared when you translate but it is a good thing)

set up party, let's vote

Again -- terrible reasons to include somebody in your trust list, and indicative of your continued misunderstanding of the basic functions of DT.

Actually that is the whole point of the trust system. In spite of that, you feel that you have a right to not only choose who you think uses the system correctly by making your own trust list, but also dictate who I and others can include in our trust lists. The mere act of adding some one you don't agree with is "abuse". Also adding people who add people who you say are "abusive" is also "abuse". The only thing not "abuse" according to you is if we copy your inclusions and exclusions exactly.

No, its not, at all...


You are not basing your inclusions on this criteria. You are basing them on

1. their willingness to include you, and
2. who has excluded them from their trust lists.

This kind of mindset has led to scammers, banned users and users who blatantly misuse the trust system being added to DT.

I answer you but I'm so tired
I woke up 20 hours ago
Bla bla Bla  ;)

It's literally in the post you're replying to:


I'm quite impressed with the lengths you go to in order to deny reality.

I don't think you know what terrorism means...

The main problem here is that some people initiate lies and defamation campaign against other members to join the Chipmixer/Fortunejack etc. which is high paid signature campaign. They created a gang within the forum, and some of the default trust members are not trusted. These people are harming BTT users who love Bitcoin and the Bitcoin ecosystem for their own benefit. Everyone knows very well what's going on here. They can give you a red trust to ruin your reputation by using their endless ALT account pool because $100-450 in a week enough to fuck this forum. It is not about race or personalities.. It’s about the sig-GANGS.

f-r-a-u-d-s-t-e-r-s.

need a revolution for justice to triumph

Waste of time. The mf-cker gangs the authority here. Everyone already know that but puppies want to join high-paid sig camps, and they are licking and licking. Dishonorable hookers just doing a blow.

just need do what say wolwoo) it not wasting time

Why are we on this issue of national quotas again? It's more discriminatory to categorize users based on some identifiable trait to satisfy your statistical hubris.

Do you know how horrible it would be if ChipMixer implemented a quota: "looks like we don't have enough Turkish people on the signature - time to add some more!"

That isn't equality. That's pity.

I gave this gang a distrust, but others have to give it too. Users are afraid and ignore this gang because they want to participate in the signature campaigns... What a shame. Bitcointalk.org - Signaturetalk.org

https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/05/11/r3KM1e.png


No one except some complicit "salaried employees" of the Chipmixer bounty who like to preserve their lazy milking of forum driven resources are mentioning racism, nationalism or persecution of any kind.

For all the independent and intellectual observers checking this thread out, please read the arguments carefully, and identify the pattern of laughable diversionary tactics where the nepotist DT clique will trip over themselves time and again to derail the definitively proven cases of corruption and defamation surrounding Chipmixer selections.

Already 2 impostor threads going on in the vain hopes of diluting the irrefutable facts presented here, it's embarrassing to see how low some veteran members who were previously thought be respectable pillars of the community can sink to stay on the Chipmixer payroll...

You might want to rethink this statement unless wolwoo got secretly hired by Chipmixer. The first mention of racism in this thread was this:

Where is racism in this
I just said good wishes
I said not to be unfair because of the racist attack.
I did not apply for signature
Is it racist to want to see a Turkish member in the signature
I wish everyone good luck

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signature means advertisement
one of the countries most interested in the crypto world: Turkey

A smart ad manager breaks down here, too. just like other world brands do, because the aim of the advertisement is to "reach the target audience" and not to feed the gangs.


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https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/btcturk-pro/       Daily volume  $80.467.390 USD 9.378 BTC
https://coinmarketcap.com/exchanges/paribu/              Daily volume  $43.995.245 USD 5.193 BTC

Let me show you only two respected Turkish stock exchanges
No wash trade, no fake volume

This 100%

I originally believed darkstar was okay. He does speak as a fair and sensible member at times.  

However his actions demonstrate he must be complicit with this scheme.

I mean really how much sense does it make to have meta board full of chipmixer spammers sometimes 6 or more of the same banners all being paid out to advertise on the same page on a tiny sub board with no traffic.?

Funny how these people he is hiring are all pals. Cycling merits together I mean if you look at their top 20 fans and recipients they are stacked with each others names ? They are include each other on DT.

So then darkstar comes along and says oh look brilliant posters because they have lots of merit  ( they gave each other )
And they are trusted ( by each by each other )

Lol when you see collusion like this that generally is  a clear sign they are greedy and not at all trustworthy.

The longer darkstar hides away the more he looks afraid to explain his decisions.

Why is he employing a ton of scammer supporting shit posters with no achievements that are openly colluding and gaming the systems here? He is paying people to a abuse other members trust and in effect paying them to crush free speech here.
This must be stopped.

There are a couple of exceptions, but most fit the description above clearly.

Campaign managers are responsible for sponsoring scumbags and they will bring disrepute on their projects.

Doesnt matter if they collude to have perfect trust scores because if I find dirt on them I will be making sure it sticks to them and the project sponsoring them. Nothign wrong with punishing scammer supporters and those that knowingly sponsor such scum.

Best to make 100% sure you employ squeaky clean individuals not rely on bogus " trust ratings" they award themselves.


What a shock...those wearing chipmixer are claiming the selection process is faultless and there needs be no accountability or transparency.

I support chipmixer the service. They are a brilliant service. I reject them paying scumbags and scammer supporters to destroy the free speech of this forum 

Actually, it is. There are supposed to be counterbalancing forces within the trust system, that is the entire point of implementing it as opposed to just having Theymos unilaterally decide who is on it.

We have been over your baseless smearing and mind reading act several times and when pressed to substantiate your claims (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.msg53843698#msg53843698), you have no evidence other than your assumptions that any of that is true. You already publlicly admitted your accusations are based on your assumptions.






You continue to assert you some how know what my internal thoughts and motivations are as if you are Ms. Cleo. Additionally basing ones inclusions and exclusions on ones on judgement of the validity of their own trust list is exactly what you are advocating, you just want it to be your trust list picks. I think you and your red nose red ass buddies are using the trust system inappropriately, and I see no evidence that these people are using it inappropriately, thus I think you should be counterbalanced with their inclusion.




I never included wolwoo, but I am not really that impressed with the lengths you go to to manufacture reality.

Think about it for the minute.

ChipMixer(as far as I know) is the highest paying campaign right now. Not sure about you, but what if a good amount of merits are revolving around ChipMixer members because they're actually good posters, hence they deserved to receive merits? I've been lurking for months and I have noticed that most if not all of them are actually great posters.

And it's not like their merits are only from their fellow ChipMixer members in the first place.

Sure, "counterbalancing forces." The force you are part of is those who base their trust inclusions on selfish motivations that have nothing to do with insuring proper use of the trust system.

That is your own interpretation of reality, everyone is wrong other than you.

This was relevant in the previous thread from which that quote arose. Context is important here.

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With the gravitas focused on the lack of Turkish members in the CM campaign, one might imagine possible reasons.

If it is possible for a member of non-Turk origin to post higher-quality content or perhaps content more stringent to CM's requirements/desires, then it is possible for them to be accepted over a Turkish member. You can even replace "Turk/Turkish" with any categorization you want.

Hence, how is it so difficult to believe that in some specific moment in time, members of an identifiable group that are participating in the ChipMixer campaign equal zero?

It's much stranger to deny the possibility of rejection and jump to outlandish conclusions. Before any accusations that involve my own account with some "gang" I would recommend looking at the lack of activity I've had over the past few months. I disagree with many DT members and have countered a variety of negative ratings from familiar names. I doubt that many people would think that I'm solely here for the campaign funds. ::)

Fair questions, and if you've been absent from the forum for a couple of months you might have missed the reasons why Turkish section and Turkic audiences are a critically strategic zone for any crypto business, especially owing to concentrated obfuscation efforts by the DT salary clique ;).

If you just brush up on some of the independent surveys (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53762549#msg53762549) mentioned in that previous thread you were quoting along with some of my previous comments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53686280#msg53686280) (or even intra-forum statistics like this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205448.msg54392983#msg54392983)), you will find the answers to most of your questions regarding Turkish markets.

In fact I'll take it a step further, if you ask the ChipMixer organization today: "Is it a priority for you to be visible to audiences in and around the Turkish sphere of influence?",

I can bet you an unlimited amount of BTC the answer will be a resounding "YES", and they will promptly do so, if @theymos and @Darkstar_ can let this forum take a breath of fresh air outside the yoke of the band of criminals that are hell bent on ruining this place with their nepotism and little mafia games...

it seems to me that you have problems with chipmixer and with the campaign manager maybe because he still hasn't accepted you in the campaign, I spent 1 hour reading a post from the Turkish Local to try to understand what is the problem and I can't see any problem. the campaign manager choose people for the quality of their post ( I saw people in the Turkish Local who are participating in signature campaigns )

and I saw something interesting in the Turkish Local:

https://bitcointalk.org/useravatars/avatar_1026213.jpg

is a Full Member avatar and from what I saw he only posts on your local board ;D

I do not support bringing in nationalities, neither to support your points or claim discrimination; nor to abuse in a racist manner, but if allegations of racism are piled upon; then retorting in racially charged overtones does retrospectively justify the charges of racist profiling and targetting.

I hv left a neg and hope others who do not endorse racism follow suit too.


P.S. As far as promos and campaigns do, in my experience many companies welcome such individual for they grab eyeballs, even if it is in a wrong way.

Lol please. Produce the 10 best original thought provoking posts from thepharmacist that made any difference here?

Same for most of these " great posters" they are shitposting brain dead imbeciles.  Why do they have no major achievements here?
Are they devs ..what novel designs have they created ? What huge scams have they brought down?  Where are the huge compensation offers they forced scams to get offer the forum? Where are their predictions that made other members into millionaires?

One member smashed every argument they ever put forth to support the broken systems of control they are gaming.
One member or a couple of members  crushed their skulls daily for a year and they could not debunk even one of his/ their central points even once?

Oh wait ? Their posts a stacked with scammer supporting,  colluding and sneaking around snitching for minor shit.
Their posts are garbage hence why they were crushed in every single debate against superior and super achieving members.

Want to debunk these points go ahead. You will fail

As I said there are a couple of good posters that are not outright scammer supporting idiots

Lol at your post. Their merits come from each other. Their trust includes come from each other.  Their exclusions are very similar. They are all mostly on chipmixer.

Take a look at their merit fans and recipients. Haha the top 20 would be full of each other and I mean full.

I see a chipmixer banner I pretty much know the post will be a pile of shit if it is in meta or has any relation to board politics.

So much drama because Visipilio has an imagined reality where if it was not for JollyGood and Lauda, there would only be Turkish members in the ChipMixer campaign. No matter how much you try to wrap your intentions in words of unity. justice. nationalism etc etc., it is amply clear to anyone who follows your posts since the Yobit days that you think about money above all. Even in your local threads, you guys keep talking about the Fortune Jack campaign and Chipmixer campaign.

You seem to think that everyone's aim here at the forum is to get into the ChipMixer campaign. You also seem to think that a host of other local users that were chosen ended up there because of help from some "DT clique" or something. You go on to blame LoyceV, suchmoon and everyone.

I posted on your local thread and was apparently referred to as "another tail account" or something. You are infecting the whole Turkish community with this imagined paranoia as well as calls to nationalism etc. All this for the imagined insults and imagined entitlement to the "Lucrative signature bounties" or whatever you call these.

Edit: Why do you keep insisting that some meritocratic members are being left out of the CM campaign because of someone else's intervention. Most of the old members in that campaign have already been there for a long time. Several members from other nationalities find place in the long running campaigns. Why do you insist that someone is trying to keep Turkish members out of these?

Many of your points are clearly bogus.
There is observably a merit cycling self appointing DT that colluded to maintain grasp over lucrative rev streams here

Please stop pretending it is not there for anyone to observe

Or do you expect us to believe these peoples top merit fans and recipients are all stacked with each other, they all include each other on DT and mostly exclude the same group and most are on the highest paying sig campaigns.

I don't think there is a racial motive for excluding Turkish members but simply the current colluding group fear the cohesion of the turkish community.

There is no good reason to exclude some of the better turkish posters. I certainly would not accept they are less trustworthy than the likes of marlboroza , thepharmacist or any other of these willful scammer supporters.
There are some very undeniably greedy members on chipmixer.

I would suggest doing more research you are only new here young grasshopper.

Never seek to label important truths as drama. That is untrustworthy.
Never seek to lecture on greed specifically if you wear a gambling sig.

I don't want you to believe anything. They are bogus to you and a particular group of envious assholes out here. These are the same kind of people who begrudge that early adopters of BTC got rich. These are the kind of people that just won't do anything useful themselves but will try to bring down those who actually do. You think there is a merit cycle which is observable?? Fucking bullshit!! People like you and Visipilio wax eloquent and misguide newbies in believing that odds are stacked against them in the forum. Fuck you all.

Show me one guy in there that you think does not deserve merit?? You think LoyceV doesn't?? You think Lauda doesn't?? Or suchmoon doesn't??  Do you have any fucking idea how much work it takes to put up a setup where you can reliably scrape comments, merit history and come up with all that data and present it. How much work it is to maintain a reliable escrow business with the level of OpSec so you can be trusted not to be hacked?? How much work it is to try to put some semblance of decentralized authority on the forum following all the rules, reading both sides of the argument and unbiasedly maintaining a persistent stand. Look at people like iasenko, mikeywith (mining section), Heisenberg_Hunter, ncl50c, Hhampuz. What kind of coding work have YOU done, if any??Just crying here like babies all day, all night about how those who only want to be negative don't get merit and signature campaigns. What a fucking joke!! You guys have an axe to grind even against the likes of nullius. Have you even wondered how much effort must go into making those posts, in contrast to ramblings from the like of you, or even me??? To you, What nullius writes may seem like rambling because he is speaking AGAINST you, but he puts references, anchor points, Memes, GIFs what not, into humungously long-ass posts. His technical posts are on another level. If you think there are some undeserving merit holders in that,C'mon, lets point them out..

I'll tell you the most that you can point to is people like me. I only try to be constructive towards the bitcoin ecosystem in general. I read on the latest about bitcoin. Sometimes, I get involved in the drama and write extensive posts like this one based on my own interpretation of what a meritocracy should look like. Sometimes i get frustrated about merit. Sometimes i make posts about how you have to be continuously involved to get merit. Yet, I don't go and try to spread conspiracy theories about people who have 2000 merit while I only have something like 300ish. I don't think i deserve 1000 merit just because i agree with these people. I think the day i find enough time and knowledge to contribute to the actual bitcoin ecosystem and then start documenting it here, I WILL get those merits. I have no desire to get into some "lucrative" campaign ASAP.   It is natural for me to think that merit/ money/ recognition/ DT1 etc are not the end-all, be-all of my presence here. Those are simply the side-effects of doing good work and that is how I want them to be.

It is envious, lazy people who prefer to be negative and focus on conspiracy theories. The forum is chock full of members who have "observably and demonstrably" contributed to the forum and reached legendary as well as DT1, DT2. Look at the recent additions from Indonesian and filipino locals. Unfortunately, there also are people who want to be extra smart by farming merit, using alt-accounts, calling their uncles and cousins and everyone to put their greedy beaks into this forum to earn bounties and "lucrative" signature campaigns. And when they get called out for it, instead of taking it up with staff or the person who tagged them, they try to teach everyone about justice, unity, equality, morality. Fuck you all politicians. The world is not fucking equal. The people who KNOW code, understand bitcoin security, wallet code are not at the same as level as these cry-babies who cannot write one complete sentence in coherent English or differentiate between bubble-sort and merge-sort. Yes, good english unfortuantely, is a requirement to understand most of modern science (unless you are Japanese or Korean, another set of God-level races, I don't count Chinese in there because they are fucking IP thiefs).

You are all just negative, envious haters who shy away from putting effort in actually contributing. People like you just want to convince themselves and others that "Others are not better than me, Its just they have an unfair advantage".


Ohh yeah?? Thanks for your confirmation. Now tell your own young padawans and these people you seem to support, to stop misguiding newbies in their own locals. Its no use trying to get some kind of revolution going against an "enemy group" here on the forum that all Turkish members have to unite against.

Nobody thinks they are less trustworthy except for the ones who tend to go off the rails when an issue is raised against them. I would be very happy to see anyone from there get into the campaign if they have good enough quality. A negative trust against a person should not be taken as some sort of war on ones personal worth. If you have done nothing wrong, it can always be sorted with the person concerned. The whole "Turkish" issue has arisen out of the trust ratings of just one or two people. Instead of settling it with those who gave it to them, they want to slyly project this as some sort of DT1 conspiracy to hold power. Why don't these people have glaring positive trust from their own community involving transactions of tens of BTC if they are as trustworthy as they claim to be???

As far as members being greedy on CM are concerned, that is also your personal judgement. I have seen several people who don't post 50 posts. The ones who do are mostly those actually contributing to the forum and spending significant time here. If you think they are just doing it for the sake of it, several of them keep getting removed.

In any case, What the fuck is the big deal about Chipmixer campaign??? Its a fucking advertisement which pays well. It is not supposed to be some sort of stamp of approval that the CM campaign members should have to strive to fulfill all the time. By its very nature and due to Darkstars_ judgement, there are some very good members there.

Please don't be condescending. I may not have followed the drama but it is easy to judge your "beliefs" and "thought process" from the kind of people you guys have targeted in your posts. I have seen enough of this jealous, envious kind in real life. The kind who just want to chip away on an existing structure rather than try to build something themselves. I can only LOL at your stupid attempt to chastise me for "wearing a gambling sig". Its a fucking advertisement. By that logic, there should be no endorsement of alcohol/ cigarettes/ cold drinks etc etc for their potentially dangerous effects and those who do it should hang their heads in shame.

I'm leaving your childish rant because obviously you put a lot of effort into it.

In analyzing the corruption and nepotism ruining Bitcointalk, I assure you I did not intend to belittle any of your heroes here.

Most people wouldn't be motivated enough to spend as much time and labor on an internet forum as users like LoyceV and suchmoon are putting in, it's really impressive sweat work on their part, and no doubt some of what they do brings a value added to this forum.

Regardless, it does not exonerate them from trying to socially engineer the leading crypto website and bring about nepotist outcomes where their mediocre inner circle corners all the lucrative bounties; or perhaps, a company who has authority over even theymos is instructing them to keep the trolls and bad actors on the payroll and with artificially clean trust sheets on BTT, defying all reason and every sane observer's sensibilities...

It's called the duality of human nature, a tremendous range of virtues and vices can coexist within the same individual ;),
although many would agree that the vices have been far outweighing the virtues for a long time now; hence the forum's steady decline in all metrics over the recent years...

you are the worst person I saw in these 4 months, how can you see what is happening in the world and still create this username and post the shit you posted?


do you intend to continue with this until when?

@ amishmash of speculative and groundless nonsense that has been undeniably debunked and illogical contrived ass kissing.

Initially I was excited at the wall of text in direct reply to the core points of my post.
The immediate disappointment as all of your effort just fell apart at the slightest probing was upsetting. I feel only pity, for your low capacity that permitted you to oppose objective independently verifiable evidence with some speculating on my motivations for providing such truths. Which of course is irrelevant. Then spouting obvious untruths that are clearly incorrect. There was also some irrelevant fluff.

Let's take it point by point. I feel that it is rather a lot for you to process all in one batch.


1. Chipmixer is sponsoring many members that support proven scammers and willing scam facilitators for pay. These people also attempt to punish whistleblowers of these scammers with trust abuse for speaking out. The greedy sneaky trolling racist sock puppet member is also sponsored by them. See HugeBlackWoman aka thepharmacist.

If you refute this after reviewing the lauda is a scammer or nutildah is a willing scam facilitator for pay threads or the dirty turds compilation in meta that nobody has previously debunked,  then specifically detail your rebuttal so I may eviscerate it publicly as I have all the other attempts made by your imagined super contributor heroes.

2. Let's be honest about some of your idols here that you mention

Lauda  - proven scammer, implicated strongly in an extortion scheme with his band of slobbering colluding trust abusers who each slather each other in merit. Removed and disgraced from being a mod,  theymos requested other DT members ( not understanding they are primarily a vast mass of colluding scum) to remove the scumbag lauda from DT
He has zero achievements that have made any difference here. Thankfully a real achiever and super contributor scam hunter confronted him and his scam project and defeated laudas lies forcing a 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer from said scam and forced enough awareness on the forum to decimate that scams previously real opportunity to dethrone bitcoin. Reliable escrow haha please see the famous shady escrow thread conducted by lauda  that looked rather damning.

Net negative scamming extorting trust abusing non achieving scum bag

Suchmoon - a hilarious character who spent months arguing that merit was a credible and valuable metric that was a sensible foundation for other important privileges and seniority on bitcointalk .  When his arguments were consistently debunked he started spouting ridiculous statements like all pre merit legends were spammers and that the 99.93% of the forum were incapable of creating any posts as good as some of those by the 0.07% of top merit cyclers.  Then when he was laughed at he responded by trying to get the biggest scam hunter in the history of the forum (in terms of actually results) banned for posting the very evidence that helped him force the 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer to the forum that was created by another member to assist his battle with lauda and his scam coin. Even though the super scam hunter had already referenced it about 20x before but didnt on a couple of occasions. Spiteful and viscous.

Then to make it even more funny suchmoon later states to another member that " good poster" and " bad poster" are meaningless terms without clear definition and criteria to measure them against. Which merit totally lacks, and so was clearly meaningless all along. Lol

A viscous mean spirited idiot who certainly does not have the forums best interests at heart.
Once boasting it didnt have a paid sig now spamming chipmixer and foxpups avatar milking the forum to the max. Foxpup by the way is another hilarious character that claims his opinions are not based on any form of reasoning because he says that is how opinions are meant to be formed. The chief merit fountain for his scamming colluding group of scum.

Net negative scammer supporting self debunking viscous asshole


LoyceV - spews forth never ending copy and paste raw stats pulled from the forum and does some very minor analysis.
Wow that could be useful right?
No no no.  These merits, trust scores,  dt inclusions are all based at their core on the meaningless corrupt and dangerous dirt called merit. I mean once you accept what suchmoon confirms that it is meaningless crap. Then of course all those things based upon that meaningless gamed dirt is also meaningless. Therefore all the time wasted trying to conjure some meaning from them that has any value is full on retard.
So pages upon pages upon pages of meaningless metrics being ranked and grouped for what?? Haha nothing just so he can get more meaningless and grossly damaging merit

Also if you analyse the early cycled merits threads from ch. Which directly demonstrated how the meaningless merit crap is cycled between merit sources and their pals on meta and that on average about 80% plus of the top 200.cyclers is all from each other.. You will notice ch smashed loyceV stupid arguments until loyceV ran to ignore to hide. But remained there handing out swathes of merit to suchmoon et al for the later self debunked bogus defence.

Net negative scammer supporting absolute imbecile spamming meaningless " analysis " of meaningless metrics whilst milking chipmixer and foxpup avatar.


Nullius - lol what a windbag. I only have to look at that double standards scammer supporting old pervert who chases after anything he believes could be slightly female ..willing to support their scamming behaviors and finding empathy as a reason to trust abuse his scamming hottie laudas chief face stomper with some red tags.
Lol that old fart TPOTO let him try to sound smart correcting peoples spelling errors and spouting neeechy whilst having his fragile arguments crushed in public.
Pathetic sad old perv. Also net negative. Lol at red trust for empathy straight after waking up on a blemish free super achieving member.
Nullius does not oppose me. Nullius provides me with great new opportunities to punish himself and his scamming buddies with the undeniable truths that are independently verifiable. I kind of like that sad old perv. His sense of humor is not too bad. I liked how he freely admits flirting with the scammer lauda in slim hope it may be female even though he accepts it could well be male. What a desperate dirty old pervert. He needs to be dried out at his age. Latin gets the ladies ( maybe in the generation you are from )..


Now at this point feel free to specifically debunk any of those points. Any single point but be prepared to get right into it.

Not that I need to answer speculative garbage you pulled out of your ass but to say that I am envious of chipmixer paydays is quite hilarious. I have already stated I will be employed in place of one of these net negative non achieving echo chamber promoting shit posters on chipmixer and will donate all income directly forever to the forum or covid 19 fund or any other good cause like animal welfare. I simply dont require chipmixer dust.

I have been here far longer than all of those mentioned above except foxpup of course because that would be impossible.

I really don't think you get it or understand how the systems of control undeniably function. I would suggest reading " the most important thread you will ever..." in meta.  That details in indisputable terms how broken they were before they were decimated by conflating merit with trust.

The very fact your post obtained merit when it does not debunk any of my core points and is just a mish mash of groundless speculation,  debunked garbage and illogical nonsense is not surprising when you note who is slathering merit on it.
Look at the names. They are the very scumbags that are undeniably scamming or supporting scammers who have achieved nothing who are trust abusing and gaming the systems of control and milking the forum for every penny.

Take your time and try to debunk my points mr mish mash. Be specific and dont come back with such weak ass slobbering. I will not be so kind the next time.

If you are retarded, lack research or are assmunching with a goal of replacing your current measly gambling sig with the fabled riches of chipmixer/ foxpup avatar I do not know. I will however find out.

Begrudging myself for being extremely wealthy isn't something I engage in too frequently. I could try it and let you know how it went Roobet haha

Your post was very helpful to demonstrate the perverse nature of the merit system. Those very scumbags we are discussing are the very same people giving you merit for making a lot of groundless and bogus irrelevant speculations that supports their corrupt agenda.

Merit = cancerous net negative dirt.

Let's not get upset with each other. Newbies ( even self proclaimed elite conceptual designers and coders like yourself) need their bitcoin  gambling sig dust to survive these dark days, so a little bit of assmunching scammers is not totally evil it may just be survival for some.
I hope praying on the gamblers of the world for your tiny % of their life destroying habit let's you sleep peacefully in your cardboard box under the flyover.

Ha I just have to wait now for you to reply.  Nom nom nom.
Don't disappoint me again with  amishmash of nullian weakass scammer supporting putrid spew.
My generosity does have limits.

Take it point by point but provide me with specific examples that refute my points.

I enjoy these encounters and now everybody else is afraid to tangle with me I will indulge you. Merely being way smarter is only part of my advantage. The insurmountable issue they have is that I happen to be armed with the truth that can be independently verified.

Don't let me down I am counting on you.

Dear Mr. bonesjonesretruns

Thanks for your as usual long winding reply. Your accusation of my inferences being speculative nonsense is duly noted. So, you have a problem with the following people on ChipMixer or other "lucrative bounties"
The Pharmacist
Lauda
Suchmoon
Nutildah
LoyceV

The other "non-lucrative bounty member" we disagree about is Nullius.

Dare I say that our differing opinions on Suchmoon, LoyceV and Nullius are just that, opinions. You think LoyceV and Nullius are doing work that does not require an effort. I am pretty sure 90% of the forum would disagree with you. You may think this is because people are afraid of the truth, but believe me, it may also be because you are just clutching onto your beliefs too strongly (or, God forbid, are delusional). I will support you in dissing LoyceV and Nullius for their detailed posts, the day you actually produce something of greater value on the forum. I am sure you can do it in light of your immense knowledge and righteousness.

Your issue with suchmoon is regarding merit. You think the merit system is not working. This again, dare i say, is your opinion. A majority of the good members who have reached even legendary after introduction of merit would disagree with you. Who exactly are the "great" members you think are being overlooked by merit? Please share them here and they will have sufficient merit in no time. I think merit has helped a lot in controlling the spam as well as motivating a lot of erstwhile shitposters to reform themselves into useful, thoughtful posters. Just look at the profileration of a number of help guides on Locals. Even if people do it in the hope of merit, it is a net positive. Just because some people get 2000 merit and lowly members like me get only 400 doesn't mean that merit is not working. It just means that those getting 1000s are just more engaged and more widely read. Let us not be jealous or envious of people if you and I don't get the same amount of merit. I will give some to you for each of your detailed, enlightening replies to me.

Can we agree to finish the debate about Suchmoon, LoyceV or Nullius?? I understand that in your immense greatness, you may not find the solutions like merit, trust from poor boy Theymos to be perfect but they are a net positive. If you come up with a better solution, please let us all know with specific guidelines.

Coming to The Pharmacist. What is your grouse with The Pharmacist? He has been a spam-fighting machine for a long time. I think he may have rubbed you the wrong way as he can have an acid tongue like a few others. Leave him be your highness.

Thanks for feeling pity on my low capacity to process the blinding truths that you so frequently expose to the world. You see, even Moses had to be on the mountain for a long time before he could make sense of the glory of the lord and come back down with the commandments. In line with that low capacity, I could infer that you are talking about some 2 000 000 000 USD scam exposed by the best scammer. Can you please help my intellect by pointing me to the direction where I can find evidence of these scams?? I looked at their trust page but could only find a number of positive feedbacks. I saw their posting history but could only find useful pinned topics for newbies and a huge record of scam accounts (with references) that they have tagged for alt-accounts, cheating etc.

Is that a wrong thing to do Mr. jones? If it is, then i am sure you will enlighten us with more truths. I only request you to provide some direct links to the scams. You can choose to insult my low intellect by saying something like "I had hoped better from you but it looks like you are incapable and unworthy of finding evidence of that which is observably and instinctively apparent to the multitudes on this forum. If only you put effort to use your eyes and brains, the observable instances would present themselves to you".

I request you to actually try a nullia-posting style. Give references to the "Truth". Let everyone be witness to your glory. It will take some of your time but will be worth the effort. Thanks

Sincerely attempting to understand your greatness

amishmanish

I think you forgot to lick Lauda's ass even though you trust them (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/1107844.html). Nice try anyways.

LOL..Aren't you another one of those butthurt trolls who hate Lauda because your scammy "bumping service" was caught? Go away scammer. Nobody needs you.

You are full of shit, I was against this mobbing way before the witch hunt. It's better you go away with your half filled brain you wanker.

There are no opinions, there are simply the correct and accurate descriptions of independently verifiable behaviours previously documented here on this forums history.

Everything that I have said is true. I don't have time to detail every post but people have never refuted even a single core point I have made successfully. That is not a matter of opinion.

You may take every event that I have said has happened as having happened. I would not provide them with excuse to prove me incorrect.



These threads can get you started. I did actually give you more than enough to confirm you only needed to google it all.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231720.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0
Sadly watered down quite a bit since lauda bullied or traded with pn7/quickseller to wash each others balls a little bit and mutually remove long held red tags suddenly both realize the other is not the most dangerous member on bct. Laudas pill addiction thread, the extortion thread redacted somewhat and now there is not even a reference to it in quicksellers newly adapted neutral tag. He obviously doesnt want people to read that thread anymore and give ppl.a chance to make up their own minds. I mean why would you remove the reference link? Must be part of laudas demands. Poor old pn7/qs I do actually feel he was forced into this deal with the devil.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170789.0
What a brilliant and masterful thread by a one man army. Crushing all before him. I salute Toaa. I really can't say who I would rather meet in person him or ch. I mean ch for the kudos and historical importance but Toaa is perhaps even more fun. I do miss them both. Am I messing with you? Absolutely not.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181755.msg52361217#msg52361217


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5214166.0
Nerdius or TPOTO as I like to call him previously ran after and sucked up to another scammer he assumed was female alia
Google can provide some fun reading on that.





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

This thread is under stating the insoluble problems since the merit was yet to be conflated with trust although the insightful member (aka the same one that crushed laudas lies and scamming resulting in a 2 000 000 000 usd compensation offer to the forum 20 000 000 at that time ) specifically warned against binding the two.

Deeper related insoluble issues with merit and subjective tagging

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53872527#msg53872527

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5184281.msg52443215#msg52443215

It is trivial to find the original ch coming to meta merit cycling threads to peruse

Once you understand clearly the dangers and Implications of the meaningless and damaging merit / trust design and the insoluble problems it creates specifically with crushing free speech.

Once you understand there is clear evidence of these same undeniable scammers and scammer supporting scumbags all abusing every aspect of the merit/trust system

Once you understand that merit and trust are clearly used as carrot and stick to crush free speech and actually assist scamming and prevent scammers being punished whilst punishing whistleblowers

Once you understand that this is not opinion but observable independently verifiable documented evidence.

There are hundreds of links from ch , toaa, truth or dare, myself and many others that provide clear undeniable evidence of confirmed and documented scammers infesting the systems of control and using them to facilitate scamming but it has been a long day start with the links I just found now in 10mis of my time.

Then if you want to tell me more about your heros and how brilliant the systems of control are I can hear your points.

One must be careful after being shown direct incontrovertible proof of financially motivated wrongdoing or direct scamming not to defend or excuse or praise their dangerous behaviors else risk being correctly called out as a scammer supporter or defender.

I would strongly recommend the posts of Toaa. Ch was good and achieved the most  but was prone to rambling and slightly teasing people a little. Make no mistake though he helped many find not only the truth but extreme wealth with some of his predictions.
The member was obsessed with things being fair and was the first to attack many huge scams.

If there are things I have said you feel you can debunk. Take a shot but dont make up silly excuses for scammers else I will be most upset.
Take your time. Read as much as you can. Then reply.

I stand by each of my points. I feel each one is indisputable and has proven so thus far. I dont seek to take the credit these points originate from ch or Toaa some say they are one and the same. Then again any member that speaks the truth and opposes scammers with hard evidence is apparently ch.

This post is a bit rushed I have had a long day and it is late I'm on my phone.
Detail your points with examples.

And no we can not forget and pass over the members you mention they are key to the abuse and manipulation here and these are the very same members that should not be getting paid to destroy the forums free speech. They are the very foundation of the on topic discussion.

I would not conflate effort expounded with being net positive.... scamming, defending scammers and trust abusing and trying to dress up merit as a useful valuable metric....yes takes some effort.  Locating, collecting and cooking dog shit takes effort but I would not say it is of net benefit to the people being served it under the guise of meatballs.

I prefer your sarcasm to your ranting highly misleading and dangerous untruths.

Detailed rebuttals not " all of that seems like a pile of shit" specific examples you can debunk. If there are points you are unable to verify as true from those links, that I have made previously, then detail them specifically.

I may tidy this up and pull up a few links more tomorrow when I awake in the morning.

In short every event I have specifically  mentioned has taken place.

The fact you have lauda in your trust includes is rather concerning.

The fact you have detailed knowledge of hackers alleged ico bumping but no knowledge at all of any of laudas scamming,  extorting,  trust abusing, racism, dubious escrowing practises is unlikely

Are you sure you are not close to lauda? When I say close I mean like possessing his actual body entirely or perhaps a siamese twin? Maybe you are simply undercover when you are lauda ? Hey maybe you are doing an undercover agents sting on lauda?


Perhaps my fav thread of all time especially page 2.  If you know the history of these scammers as you should now this is classic ch.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5123752.0

no )) he not forgot ) he even licked lauda's shit from fucking lauda ass )

🍀 Minor segue: 🍀


Sharing a response here deleted by everyone's favorite terrorist ~lauda as it can serve as evidence #4 to how she and some DT1 mafioso members routinely try to ruin well meaning forum users for their own financial and political schemes:

Although the real thread is here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247288.0), I believe it is a kind of manipulation way to continue the same discussion on fake-thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247427.0) which is created by them to twist other’s words. The systematic attacks on forum members are not a coincidence because clowns have been motivated for a long time to dominate the signature campaigns and the default trust system. The fact that they constantly talk about the race card and want to turn it into a race war is actually because they are experts in manipulation. They think that if they show us as a nationalist and grouped Turkish attackers, they can hide their greedy DT gang. In order to eliminate these injustices in the default trust system, I invite all forum members and especially local forums to create a trust list of at least 10 people. If you add only the users you trust to your trust list, the untrustworthy ones will stay out of the trust system, thereby destroying their fake-reputable status. This is exactly what they are afraid.

The other thread was created because this one is self-moderated and


You can't be honest even about something as trivial as this but sure, the "DT gang" is the problem ;D

DT gang has been harming the most solid Bitcoin users for their personal and financial interests for a long time. It is a completely brutal, greedy and unforgivable way of behavior that such a parasite group actually targets Bitcoin investors who have given years for Bitcoin by manipulating users with dirty games. Rather than being in a handful of self-laundering clowns with an endless pool of accounts, DT power should be in Bitcoin investors who can be trusted in their decision and trades. The same bikers club, since it is financially tied to the same place, they just launder/justify themselves regardless of whether they are right or wrong like the same black-red signature club. If the gang have continued to twist users' words, hide the reality and manipulate BTT users, some deleted posts is quite normal.

Exactly suchmoon never moans that nearly every thread lauda , malboroza  and other DT scammer supporters create are self moderated.

Even worse they delete on topic and relevant posts and even posts by those that try to defend themselves from the lies and deceptions presented as " core points " in the OP.

That is what suchmoon is about.  Protecting scammers by enforcing double standards or worse. Hence why he is on chipmixer and foxpup gravy train.

You are also entirely correct that their ploy to discredit you is via some overblown racist or nationalist notions you all hold.
Even though clearly there is an element of racism in laudas comment he would tag and flag those that apply for and are accepted to chipmixer. That is a threat alone worthy of a tag and flag.

However, is is mainly the cohesion of any group they fear. Hence how they work to divide and stir up shit between any that oppose them.
Their group is larger currently than any other opposing group.
The others that strongly oppose them are not United enough or organised enough yet to cause them a problem.

Time is not on the side of these scammers and scammer supporters.
The smarter ones will jump out first then it will explode just before it was about to get crushed.

Still though I am confused by the weak approach to lauda and other considering the objective independently verifiable evidence of scamming and other wrongdoing provided by some members.
These should be tagged and flagged by now.

The DT outer circle of scammer supporters do so by turning a blind eye or refusing to review laudas indisputable scamming. They will fight for any reason not to review the evidence. This prevents them from having to create a red tag.

The beauty of a flag is that this will not work they have to review the evidence and then put their names to disputing the flag.
If they do that they should be called before theymos in meta to explain why they refute the flag.
Theymos said he will manually remove flag abusers.

Flags should be used where there is indisputable evidence of scamming
That exists for lauda.
I would even say threatening to tag turkish people that apply for chipmixer and get accepted is a flag.

That is clearly flagrantly using the tags to crush financial competition to his pals and probably his alts he has milking chipmixer.
I noticed malboroza switched from fortune Jack to chipmixer didnt it?
Marlboroza clearly is closely related to lauda and both croatian being closely related on merits given, received, trust inclusions previously before , supporting each other in threads.

I would say they are likely related.  Lauda just a scamming dirty greedy scumbag, and malboroza the slightly retarded inbred 3rd cousin who does as it is told as best as it's  capacity allows it to follow instructions.  Suchmoon is related in there somewhere.

I don't think sucking up to darkstar or even performing as a truly outstanding and valuable poster will get members on chipmixer. These are all in on it together. There is no conceivable way darkstar could fail to notice it is sponsoring shitposting corrupt scammer supporters in a very concentrated pool of free speech crushing filth.

They will all need removal. Enabling and financing this kind of tyranny is every bit as bad.
I say this as a prior darkstar enthusiast as a person nothing to do with shitty sig campaigns
I only have any interest in that garbage as I know realize this is the core motivator for this kind of gang to form.
Only by colluding and repressing others do they hold on to these lucrative rev streams.
Lauda is eyeing the bigger picture with escrow services. That needs looking at also.
Why are people paying a proven scammer for this ?

that's why we have to unite against them and let add each other to trust list
i m open for contact

yes i publicly say it and fuck lauda's mother and his buddy-morons

The Merit Cycling Club has nothing whatsoever to do with DT. It is, and always has been, a jab at those (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92110) who believe we're conspiring to give each other merit (we aren't), which arose simply because I was bored and tried (perhaps a little too successfully) to make my life more interesting by throwing money at the problem. It's the same problem Freemasons have, except instead of Masonic symbols popping up everywhere, it's gender-confused vulpine cyclists. It's not meant to be taken seriously. :)

but you part of gang

Although

Pull up their merit fans and recipients top 20
Pull up their trust inclusions
Pull up their trust exclusions
Pull up their threads and look for support coming from each other
Pull up their sponsors look for chipmixer, fortune Jack and hhampuz yahoo

Out of a forum of millions or 100s thousands

The same tiny handful of people believe each other are the best posters,  
The same tiny handful of people believe each other are the most trustworthy despite some being proven scammers lol
The same tiny handful of people believe the same people are the most untrustworthy despite some of them being the biggest scam hunters in this forums history and have zero trading and no attempts to scam and history of pushing for fairness with projects when it was very unpopular
The same tiny handful all seem to be mostly in control of the best rev stream here

Lol all just a huge ass coincidence and case where logic is reversed.

Of course fox pup does not want you to listen to his opinions because he freely admits his opinions are not formed on the basis of reason. Reason actually should not be employed to form opinions that is what foxpup has said.

Thinks because she has a cute tail and can time travel that it can get away with supporting and protecting scammers.

This will be a mistake eventually.

Not a scammer perhaps and not milking the forum but a total maniac and just wants to be popular

Not enough to give the scammer crew all his merits for shitposting
Now has to pay them to come to the fox hole.
Nullius obviously would pay to attend but nobody wants his wrinkly old nut sack rubbed over their face or to be bored shirtless with his endless droning on in Latin about his neeechy or heart breaking treatment at the hands of alia. Or how showing empathy makes you more of a scammer than a proven scammer like lauda who he wants to cybersex whether lauda is female or male makes no difference lol

Merit is indeed the cancer that has empowered these scumbags.
As they still only mostly give it to each other or their new puppies there is a long road ahead unless people get very united on this matter regardless or if they dont like each other.

All non scammers need to unite to remove these parasites but previous attempts fail due fear they are teaming up with real undesirables.
Some still believe there is a chance to weasel into the gang and become one of them. Forget that it makes you as bad or worse than them

Crushing them is the only way. Appeasing them or working with them now regardless of the deal would demonstrate a weak and diseased character.
Flags are key. I see now the " turning a blind eye" defence will not wash there unless you want to explain in meta to theymos why you are trying to prevent a warning flag based on objective independently verifiable  evidence of scamming? That would be far more interesting than the " oh I am not interested or I dont have time right now " excuses .

Of course the " I am not interested in the truth" or " I think it is good when innocent members get a red tag" defences from those like qwk are still there to contend with.

just out of curiosity I looked at the 1st pages of 2 popular boards of Bitcointalk,

1 of them is everyone's favorite battleground Reputation,

the other is Turkish Local Off-Topic (essentially Turkish Meta), here is a comparison of the total views of all the threads that are currently featured on the 1st pages of both of these boards:

https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/05/20/yVdv0S.png


248645 views on Reputation vs 91240 on Turkish Off-Topic.

Now we all know Chipmixer is represented on the Reputation board by at least 10 members who are super active here,

I wonder what the organization ChipMixer and its bounty representative Darkstar_ make of the fact that a gigantic local, a small subsection of which can still bring in more than 1/3rd views of Reputation, to this day has 0 ChipMixer banners on it, even after the defamation attacks against at least 4 Turkish local posters have been proven to be categorically false...

Chipmixer doesn't pay for posts on the English Off Topic board so I doubt they would find Turkish Off Topic useful for advertising.

Turkish Off Topic is a misnomer, it started out as off-topic, but now it's primarily for all Meta Forum issues discussed in Turkish,

Turkish local doesn't have separate Meta / Reputation sub-sections, so everything meta related goes under Turkish Off-Topic

Some other boards ChipMixer doesn't pay for:

Politics and Society - Total 1st page views 307,682
Altcoin Discussion - Total 1st page views 996,725
Micro Earnings - Total 1st page views 1,106,742
Games and rounds - Total 1st page views 2,065,874
Speculation (Altcoins) - Total 1st page views 4,642,823

There is admittedly lots and lots of spam on the 4 entries out of the 5 you mentioned, so those can be discounted,

although you bring up, inadvertently  ;D, a great side point:

What is the obsession with cluttering most of the Chipmixer banners on Reputation & Meta, while millions of other very valuable views go naked (not counting the spam-boards you quoted, but boards that are comparable in nature and post quality, like Turkish Meta) ?..

Anyone with the bare minimum Homo Sapiens intellectual curiosity can point out something is quite askew here...

Obviously that's because the very valuable Turkish bitcoiners are spending a lot of time on these boards so we're catering for their eyeballs. You're welcome. Mix your coins responsibly.

oh I know, and numerous interesting characters with lots of cash to mix also hang out exclusively on Turkish local,

they don't necessarily have the language skills to appreciate the beauty of Reputation, and they would love to get notified of ChipMixer services, while catching up on their daily fix of the Turkish language Bitcoin shenanigans...

Is there something preventing you from promoting Chipmixer services to those "characters"?

We both know its not about advertising anything. It's about the money.
But i guess your post was sarcastic anyway.. I don't believe you really expect a proper answer to that question.

Btw, did you know...

If you take the position of each letter in Vispilio's name and add that together:
V=22
i=9
s=19
p=16
i=9
l=12
i=9
o=15

22+9+19+16+9+12+9+15 = 111

and multiply it with the amount of unique letters in his name: V, i, s, p, l, o (=6), you get: 111*6 = 666.


Coincidence? I don't think so. Let's just think about that for a minute.

Damn this is a long thread, might of skipped few posts but nothing important.
I long ago contacted hilarious to review his rating towards parodium, user that was knowingly managing a scam then lauda told him to chill there will be no problem, hilarious completly ignored my pm and still has positive rating on scammer's account, no one mentioned anywhere in his profile and everyone ignoring it. I think hilarious is probably in the gang ;). Regarding other members, slowly ratings talking for themselves, I was kicked out of the best paid signature of the forum thanks to these cunts.

I truly hope he is far away and now against yobit, otherwise, I can see why he would be pissed people not getting anywhere because of fake ratings, if a rating is true sure i'll support it myself.

You cannot deny loycev suchmoon and all the cunts are probably talking real time on irc or slack or whatever, and you cannot claim they being so clean but because of interest.

And as anything farmable the campaing are obviously farmed by this gang, fortunejack having sketchy ToS and seizing peoples fund after winning, then after having whole forum rooting here he returned the deposit, i would rather die than promote that shit but no its all fine because its in the ToS.  So we get all the acting scammers free but if one of them gets a death threat you ban the user?

Also, someone asked for a list earlier in the thread, well do your own fucking research , it been posted enough times.

I can deny that: I'm using neither irc nor slack.
I did join the Bitcointalk Party - Discord server (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247383.0) though.

LoyceV it was such a pleasant reply from you considering that disgraceful foul-mouthed idiot just used a disgusting profanity to address you with.


 

I did call you a cunt tho, suchmoon somehow was lucky enough to get named and excluded, and loyce surely been carefull enough that i haven't seen a flaw in him yet, but hey let me not be 100% troll .Found this just a bit earlier https://imgur.com/a/NSnV1rX , also , T man is way worst mouthed than me, but just ignore whoever you don't mind.

Note: Seemingly it hard to understand so, the cunts are everyone but loyce and suchmoon (for unknown reasons) , surely could exclude someone from the pot but i'm not dedicating more time than usual time i give to trolling.

As always, picking the parts you like to answer, and that goes for all of you.

( This thread will be bumped occasionally until we hear from either the admin about the DT nepotism and how it's manipulating revenue streams on this forum, or the ChipMixer organization about their thoughts on having a highly marketable vacant spot on Turkish local )

If you really want admin's attention, you will need to provide proofs for this:
If you can't, that's defamation, you know...

Well, if we talk about marketing thingy, honestly, I believe Chipmixer has more than enough promotion material in Turkish local, you and some other trolls have been ranting for months about this and I am pretty sure that every single Turk has heard about Chipmixer by now, not to mention various black PR topics and support you got for them, if not in the form of posts then in the form of merits, refuting all of them is good marketing.


IIRC, all of this started when you tried to defend yobit's X10 scam coin and in lack of arguments you have tried to move topic into Chipmixer's direction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53678789#msg53678789) because some users expressed their opinion which you didn't like and then you created conspiracy theory in your head and started with defamation topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.0) and now you are complaining about someone shitting on you. Funny how some users want free speech to work only in one direction.

May I ask you why didn't you mention account IconFirm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53669089#msg53669089) in defamation topic? Because they didn't have signature and it wouldn't have suited your defamatory agenda or something?

you know a member uninitiated to the total corruption of DT1 might have been enthusiastic to debate you, but it seems the only ones reading and inhabiting the reputation boards are gang members desperate to hold on to their signature salaries these days, so I'll move on to more interesting pursuits.

I would like to just make it 100% clear that this thread is by no means an attack or even criticism towards Chipmixer, who have undeniably put some BTT members on a very generous welfare check for many years.

I'm interested in helping them make more meritocratic choices, both to help flourish their business more profitably, and as an act of kindness to many intellectual members on this forum who have long been disenfranchised and discouraged by your disgusting gang activity...

Further trolling and diversionary libel on this thread will be promptly deleted, the only ones I'm interested to converse with here are admin, Chipmixer staff, or moral intellectuals of this forum who have woken up to the nepotist manipulation of DT1.


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@theymos: Your political experiment works, it's a curious attempt at decentralization, but the stakes are too low the current format is way too high maintenance and the rewards have become almost non-existent, no one in his right mind would be interested in debating these resident trolls every day to maintain a very fragile reputation on an internet forum, thus the larger crypto community suffers from their incestuous propaganda, and many brilliant people leave BTT...

Most people respect your and staff's decisions in general, if you nudge the community in the right direction by including truly meritocratic members in your lists / roster and greatly curbing the privileges of the nepotism gang, these colluding freeloaders would either have to play fair or take their con game elsewhere, both outcomes would greatly help the forum and crypto space.

Why are you removing my posts? I didn't troll!

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Trolls then complains about not existing trolling. Makes diversion then complains about not existing diversion. Why are you making shit up? I didn't say that!

You are repeating yourself like a broken record, I suggested you to provide some proofs for theymos and you completely ignored it and started with this "nepotism/gang/corruption" crap again.

Who are those corrupted DT1 members and what they did?
Seems Vispilio is accusing everyone who has signature now.

marlboroza please don't spam.

I can assure you there isn't an iota of doubt in the minds of myself and at least 10 other high quality, non-Turkish (just to be clear), intelligent and well-accomplished members that I have only had the pleasure of getting to know through here, that the DT system has become totally corrupt and is being used to manipulate income streams.

Just 1 more piece of evidence (since you've been desperately asking for it): The most "active and reliable" / "Switzerland" forum member LoyceV actively lobbying (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.msg54570980#msg54570980) to get lauda back on DT should be all the evidence an external independent observer would need to decide that this forum is broken. Ludicrous things like this are happening on such a frequent daily basis here that it's not even intriguing or worthwhile to point out anymore...

In any other cases the same LoyceV, suchmoon, you and all the other usual suspects would be recommending a "PERMABAN MODS PLEASE", not to mention LoyceV (were he not a complicit zealot of the nepotism cult) would promptly go in all of your distrust lists for attempting to socially engineer the DT system...

When it's a loyal henchman of the criminal cartel of Bitcointalk, however, all bets are off, all the rules are subverted.

This isn't a forum, it's become a petty criminal network.

That's one of the strongest reasons why people have been leaving in droves, so spare everyone's time and patience, and don't embarrass yourselves any further with your shamelessly black nepotist propaganda.


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This forum needs new authorities, Trust leaders, sMerit leaders, and staff members, unaffiliated with proven criminals and acting in a reasonably independent capacity, so they won't compromise their responsibilities to the crypto space in order to provide income for their old timer criminal friends.


We might just revisit this thread from time to time to see if there are any improvements from the admin's and Chipmixer's side.

Good luck

It's not spam just because you don't like it, you know...
Who are these 10 members, maybe they can provide proof of corruption and manipulation?
Fixed that link for ya.

What the hell are you bubbling about? Most active and reliable AI network doesn't even have lauda in its trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2020-06-06_Sat_05.05h/459836.html). Besides, you missed its point.

It has something to do with forum rules:
Source: mprep

Who are other bad members reporting users for breaking forum rules usual suspects?
OK most intelligent and superior member of bitcointalk, please post proofs!

Correct. I was in no way lobbying for Lauda to be on DT:
I've questioned the "power" of being excluded from DT1 before (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg51765169#msg51765169), and I don't think this is as intended.

This was hypothetical (and goes both ways):

Great post. Accurate and sensible suggestions that could work towards some semblance of a meritocracy.

Of course those like marlboroza milking the forum with their scammer supporting shit posts supporting proven scammers whilst being paid by chipmixer will fight tooth and nail to prevent such a meritocracy.

Still catching on here, not going to read all these pages in detail, but personally I think theymos getting involved in this dispute makes little no sense. He's no king or master, he's merely an administrator. This isn't an administrative issue in my opinion. I also agree that Darkstar_ can pick who he chooses without having to justify this to anyone. It is what it is.

Regardless of this, +1 for exposing ~Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213587.0) for the disgusting and disgraceful individual that they are. Assuming the PM is real, based on their lack of denial or engagement with this topic.

This post should serve as my disclaimer for my merit given to this thread.

Which PM? If you mean the screenshot in the OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247288.msg54400757#msg54400757), that's a post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg54400647#msg54400647), not a PM.

Thanks for pointing that out, I just assumed it was PM due to how stupid that would be to say publicly ::)

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Carry on with your intriguing discussions folks :P

Free speech, buddy. Vispilio says lauda is terrorist and lauda says Vispilio is baboon, but you didn't comment terrorist part.

Latter is insult while former is serious accusation... Please, bring some objectivity here.

For your kind info you, less objective twat.

Lauda said :


Vispilio said :


Check whats the difference between insult and serious accusation. Please leave the forum alone you dirty piece of double standards and agendic defamator.

I don't see calling someone a terrorist as a serious accusation, unless I put my legally binding glasses on. This discussion doesn't require them though.

Terrorist (https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorist) comes from "to terrorize (https://www.google.com/search?q=terrorize)" (click translations, word origin and more definitions), ie it simply means causing terror (https://www.google.com/search?q=terror). To put it simply for you: to cause extreme fear. Given fear is a feeling, and has nothing to do with any legal framework, people are free to feel how they like. Whether I believe someone or others feels like this isn't relevant, everyone is entitled to their own feelings (as well as opinions). Free speech right? I couldn't given a damn about the modern legal definition, as also I don't think this was the meaning or use of the word personally.

Is this a more serious accusation?


Or this here:


Granted this is about JollyGood, not Lauda, whom you obviously have a beef with, but accusations like that - bordering on threats of violence - should not be ok.

Yeh for sure that is, that's useful to know thanks for referencing :) Hence why you don't see me meriting those posts that I don't agree with! I would even merit you for that but I'm all out last I checked. FYI: I merit posts that I find value in; I'm not meriting a person, that's a by-product of the system. That's not how I give merit either.

I can't find your un-referenced locked thread quote though, care to provide a source? That said, I do have a friend defending their life & land in Rojava, but last I checked they don't decapitate, they just shoot terrorists usually in the face. But I also don't see what that would have to do with anyone's trust-based actions here, seems unrelated to me.

Carry on...

FTFY, Bump.

Insult: monkey/idiots/retard/etc
Serious accusation: proven criminal/criminal cartel/terrorist/mafia/etc

You missed this one(not related to topic but it is another accusation):
Maybe "criminal" doesn't mean what I think it means? It is probably person who walks in the park.

I like to thank users bonesjonesreturns, hacker1001101001 & dragonvslinux for their insightful contributions to this thread;

it's heart-warming to see independent original thinkers continuing to contribute to Bitcointalk, despite the excruciating nepotist corruption by some bad actors,

imagine how wonderful this place will fast become if primarily such independent enlightened individuals are rewarded and incentivized instead of gang members with ulterior motives.



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ps:

Just to respond to a bizarre side point, which suchmoon pulled out of the catacombs of Bitcointalk:


This was a debate regarding the earlier days of the Turkish republic, where it was state policy to execute treacherous and regressively divisive ringleaders of the society by hanging at the Independence Tribunals (Istiklal Mahkemeleri). In the heat of the moment, I wrote decapitation instead of hanging so that should be corrected; regardless it's not my policy, it was the state policy and had popular support in the early years of the Modern Republic (and the number of executions are deemed lenient by some even today, considering the level of terror and suffering some of these elements inflicted upon the Turkish nation and in the late Ottoman territories)...


see also (source is in Turkish but also quotes Russian academics joining the symposium):

https://www.atam.gov.tr/wp-content/uploads/%C4%B0ST%C4%B0KLAL-MAHKEMELER%C4%B0-SEMPOZYUMU1.pdf

I totally agree. Let's organize public hangings or decapitations of everyone you don't like. Can I be at the top of the list so that I don't stress out for too long?

Another breadcrumb for the intelligence agencies investigating Chipmixer & possibly complicit members of Bitcointalk.

Special attention must be given to Chipmixer signature cult members, which you'll notice are the only ones fanatically defending the total corruption surrounding Chipmixer bounty campaign for many years.

Some of the most infamous of these members can easily be publicly identified with a brief search of their forum history, if they somehow manage to delete all internet trail of their activities, forum administration can tell you, it's the least they can do as they were completely tone deaf to the notorious bounty / trust abuse troubling Bitcointalk for years,

which cost meritocratic independent members millions of USD in opportunity lost, most of which went to the forum's signature cult's pockets...

Forget to log into your main account?

https://i.imgflip.com/7euo1j.jpg

What exactly are you trying to imply?

I believe he is trying to imply that intelligence agencies care about the drama surrounding him and whatever problem he had with the manager of the manager of CM.

At first, I thought he was going to imply those who wore the signature and the avatar of CM were going to be prosecuted because of their participation in advertisement of such service (which sounds rather ridiculous, in my opinion), but then he lost the plot and started to talk about corruption of the campaign and trust abuse.

I personally doubt the FBI/Interpol cares on our local drama and grudges, but to be completely fair I am not an agent, so I can't be 100% sure of it.  :P

There goes your tax-dollars in action.

Quick, we need to make DogeCoinMixer so that the trolls still have something to pedal. Don't worry about ownership liability problems, I will just register it under the name of my Shiba Inu, "Dogelon Musk".

The attitude he has shown stems from either he and/or his buddies that applied to join the Chipmixer signature campaign, were rejected. I cannot recall seeing that much aggression against a campaign manager simply because he refused to select certain applicants. If I remember correctly I applied maybe 3 times the last probably in 2020 but was rejected like many others but they did not seem to have the aggression shown by members of a certain local board.

LOL. I like it... On a historical footnote there was indeed a Doge-accepting darknet market that existed for all of a few months at the beginning of 2014. It was called The Doge Road. Not many people used it, and then the dev exit scammed with the Doge of the people who did.

https://i.imgur.com/t52wsjS.png

https://web.archive.org/web/20140419205124/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389454.0

I guess there was a few doge mixers but they were all scams:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/lj3kub/warning_dogecoinmixercom_i_think_i_got_scammed/