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Title: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on May 25, 2020, 11:56:48 AM https://i.imgur.com/aXzykzM.jpg
Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/gq8ao1/more_than_100_addresses_with_unmoved_bitcoin/ https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 Anyone can check and verify if this is true Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: eaLiTy on May 25, 2020, 01:18:14 PM Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. These are the address he provided in court right :D. For the next few years he had his hands full to concentrate in court dealing and then will spend time behind bars for trying to produce fake documents and wasting the time of the court.Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: The year 2020 is proving to be a good year for CSW ;D, first the doctorate in Plagiarism :D and yet again faking documents in court. EDiT: Was able to verify all the address posted and all the wallets i checked had 50BTC. 145 wallets listed with a total of 7250BTC :o. ~ He never thought that the claim would end up in court and shout out to Kleiman estate for dragging it to the court and hence the lies are exposed for everyone to see :D.People like him just think they can lie and say whatever they want without any consequences whatsoever. We may see him in jail soon or he will escape to some foreign country. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: alani123 on May 25, 2020, 01:50:23 PM FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO VERIFY THIS INDEPENDENTLY
It's possible. Here the things to consider: Here's the "Sharer's list" where Wright's alleged claimed blocks for the "tulip trust" appear: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.266.1.pdf link found via (https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinsv/comments/cr94sd/steve_shadders_lied_in_court_or_is_a_moron_or/) You have to understand why that list was faulty though. Read here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/gnzegk/a_primer_on_craig_wrights_claimed_blocks_tulip/ Addresses should be in the above list anyway. Now, to verify the message, you have to verify bitcoin signed messages. It can be done in a trust-based way using online tools. For a fully trust-less way to independently verify the validity of the message and ownership of the addresses with the signed messages, would be to download and install a bitcoin client locally. I can recommend bitcoin core, but there are "lighter" clients also. Here's slightly outdated posts that lists wallets capable of signing and verifying messages: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0 For what it's worth, my personal view is that this dump looks legit. Signatures validate and they also appear in Wright's "Tulip Trust" list. At least for all of the ones I checked at random. This is a cryptographically verified and trustless way to expose Craig Wright. This is big. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on May 25, 2020, 01:53:27 PM The year 2020 is proving to be a good year for CSW ;D, first the doctorate in Plagiarism :D and yet again faking documents in court. EDiT: Was able to verify all the address posted and all the wallets i checked had 50BTC. Nice! I do enjoy reading this stuff about CSW :) People like him just think they can lie and say whatever they want without any consequences whatsoever. We may see him in jail soon or he will escape to some foreign country. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: rdbase on May 25, 2020, 02:15:08 PM The year 2020 is proving to be a good year for CSW ;D, first the doctorate in Plagiarism :D and yet again faking documents in court. Nice!EDiT: Was able to verify all the address posted and all the wallets i checked had 50BTC. I do enjoy reading this stuff about CSW :) People like him just think they can lie and say whatever they want without any consequences whatsoever. We may see him in jail soon or he will escape to some foreign country. What a real tool of CSW he is. Every thread he responds to is the same adolescent type post quality. :-\ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246331.0 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on May 25, 2020, 02:15:45 PM 100 2009 addresses have all just signed the same message. "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 Does anyone know if any of these addresses are on his fanfic address list? I certainly hope so. Oh, Snap! ... Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. "Kleiman v. Wright Document #512, Attachment #7 District Court, S.D. Florida Docket Number: 9:18-cv-80176-BB Date Filed: May 21st, 2020 Uploaded: May 21st, 2020" - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/512/7/kleiman-v-wright/ - https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf ... Snap! - The Power (Official Video) - https://youtu.be/j1BNcSBApOU ... ...snip... "Oh. My. God. Not just one... but a freaking 145 addresses of the Tulip Trust list have been signed! Love-you gesture "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud." Amen. https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1264867307546800130 " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1264868284266094592 ... "Someone just signed a message calling Craig a fraud from 145 addresses Craig claimed were his in the Tulip Trust. I verified the first few addresses on the list, and their signatures and presence on Craig's list checks out. https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/gq8ao1/more_than_100_addresses_with_unmoved_bitcoin/ " https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY21r-2UEAAczVR?format=jpg&name=large - https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1264867307546800130 ... GAME OVER BSV GAME OVER BCH Bitcoin = BTC ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 25, 2020, 02:25:42 PM I've checked a bunch of random addresses, around 30 or so, and they all appear in Craig's list of addresses he submitted to the court here (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf), and they all verify correctly for the message and signature provided. Also, all the addresses I checked don't have any transaction history (other than receiving the coinbase transaction), so no chance of tracing whoever did this. I wouldn't be surprised if this person owns other addresses on that list, but hasn't included them in this message since he's moved the coins on them at some point.
Nice double whammy to stick the knife in BCash and BSV at the same time. Props to whoever this person is. We are all Satoshi (except for Craig Wright). Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dothebeats on May 25, 2020, 02:27:54 PM The signature seems to be valid, and addresses check out on Wright's Tulip Trust addresses. This just goes to show how deep the shit hole CSW dug for himself, and whoever owns the address must be laughing his/her arse off since he/she knows that CSW must be sweating bullets by now. Then again, we haven't heard from the man himself, and could be creating yet another web of lies to cover his fraudster tracks and origins.
Boy oh boy, what a show it would be once CSW gets apprehended by the authorities for several cases, particularly fraud and plagiarism ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: stompix on May 25, 2020, 02:56:08 PM So, with this, we might have finally seen the end of this nonsense with satoshi's vision and CSW.
Although knowing that scumbag he will probably come with some new story on how he was raped by an elephant yesterday in the parking lot and somebody took the keys he has just received from his source.. But with this, we open another pandora's box, who the hell is the guy that has all those keys? Is the guy behind this really satoshi drama starts! At least he doesn't claim he is,..yet! Also, why now?? One more thing, out of all that dump, which is the oldest address and from what date? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Lucius on May 25, 2020, 03:20:52 PM So, with this, we might have finally seen the end of this nonsense with satoshi's vision and CSW. Although knowing that scumbag he will probably come with some new story on how he was raped by an elephant yesterday in the parking lot and somebody took the keys he has just received from his source.. Of course this will by no means be the end of the Faketoshi saga, such people never give up - except when they find themselves 2 meters underground. I can't remember what the CW claimed about these addresses at all, that he once had control over them, so he lost it and now he's waiting again for someone to send him his private keys or what? The man is so entangled in a lie that some others are sometimes quite confused as to where it all leads. But with this, we open another pandora's box, who the hell is the guy that has all those keys? Is the guy behind this really satoshi drama starts! At least he doesn't claim he is,..yet! Also, why now?? Probably the same person who caused quite a bit of confusion a few days ago when BTC from 2009 block is moved for first time. The question is actually how many people 2009 actually knew about BTC, except of course Satoshi and Hal Finney - but this does not necessarily mean that one of them is directly involved in all this, but that the private keys have come to some other person/s. Whoever is behind this signed message, obviously does not like what the CW is doing and has decided to at least virtually slap him in the face, and we know that this is a real true holder who has thousands of BTC and has not sold them so far👍 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 25, 2020, 03:28:49 PM BTC is trash and a criminal magnet. There will be repercussions for unbelievers in the Truth. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Rikafip on May 25, 2020, 03:33:11 PM Of course this will by no means be the end of the Faketoshi saga, such people never give up - except when they find themselves 2 meters underground. I can't remember what the CW claimed about these addresses at all, that he once had control over them, so he lost it and now he's waiting again for someone to send him his private keys or what? The man is so entangled in a lie that some others are sometimes quite confused as to where it all leads. Yep, unfortunately this won't be end of him and his group. BSV might plummet the same way it got pumped after first time he mentioned those addresses, maybe some followers will finally realize that he is full of shit, and that's it, show will go on. One stupid explanation I saw from one of his believers is that we don't actually know Tulip adressess, as they are sealed by the court, so all of this is just a media speculation. :D You know the saying that is perfect for this situation, "You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into." Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: LoyceV on May 25, 2020, 03:42:11 PM About 10 days ago, I downloaded blockchair_bitcoin_addresses_latest.tsv.gz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246271.msg54438145#msg54438145). From this, I confirm the following balances (in Satoshi) for each address in dkbit98's list:
Code: 1FbPLPR1XoufBQRPGd9JBLPbKLaGjbax5m 5000000000 I didn't check all signed messages yet. To be thorough, I've also imported all of them in a new Bitcoin Core wallet (watch-only, unfortunately). It's currently rescanning the blockchain. Update: after a 2 hour rescan, I see only one transaction for 0.0001 BTC (received today on 1LfgsdyXxa59sggxG7iHC2jZdy26fWqBij). I don't understand why the rescan doesn't show the 7250 Bitcoin in those addresses. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 25, 2020, 03:47:27 PM Great news, and of course the scammers' call is here
https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1264941244158898183?s=20 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DeathAngel on May 25, 2020, 04:02:24 PM This guy just won’t go away & stay out of the news, will he. What’s it going to take for him to be consigned to the trash can? I don’t know why he keeps staying relevant, hopefully this is the end of him.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 25, 2020, 04:07:57 PM This guy just won’t go away & stay out of the news, will he. What’s it going to take for him to be consigned to the trash can? I don’t know why he keeps staying relevant, hopefully this is the end of him. Hmmmmm, You answered your own question if you could simply maintain some objectivity. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: crwth on May 25, 2020, 04:12:37 PM "We are all Satoshi" Made me feel the goosebumps, feeling that I want to feel like a Satoshi. To have 50 BTC. Lol.
This guy just won’t go away & stay out of the news, will he. What’s it going to take for him to be consigned to the trash can? I don’t know why he keeps staying relevant, hopefully this is the end of him. His relevant because of all the tactics that he pulled to prove that he is Satoshi and right now, it's all have been disproven. All the documents and all the people he involved in fabricating those documents that he submitted are going to be pretty angry right now. So sad.Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: bL4nkcode on May 25, 2020, 04:18:56 PM Waiting CSW to come up with another excuse aside from the fired employee on nChain.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Yogee on May 25, 2020, 04:28:37 PM Waiting CSW to come up with another excuse aside from the fired employee on nChain. Reposting my comment here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg54498934#msg544989342. It's not the final list https://twitter.com/4goals86/status/1264928401351204870 3. "Hacked" https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1264929676431994882 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: NotATether on May 25, 2020, 04:29:27 PM This guy just won’t go away & stay out of the news, will he. What’s it going to take for him to be consigned to the trash can? I don’t know why he keeps staying relevant, hopefully this is the end of him. He'll probably make a dumb excuse like "I included these addresses in the Tulip Trust by accident, please remove them". Don't underestimate his stupidity. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BrewMaster on May 25, 2020, 04:55:29 PM i just came here to post this exact thing since i saw it on reddit just now.
i usually don't pay that much attention to what scammers specially an idiot like CSW but this last blow was really hard. i will be closely watching it to see what result is going to come out of it, legally speaking. also one eye on the shitcoin called BSV could be fun. i don't think we have heard the last of this scammer though. he is more like cockroach that keeps coming back no matter how many times you spray it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on May 25, 2020, 04:57:20 PM https://i.imgur.com/aXzykzM.jpg Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" Well, it's nothing new. but it's interesting at all time. From the very beginning I wonder why a man who already had a good life, a nice job etc. has to make such a fool of himself and apparently really believes himself he is Satoshi. I mean, apart from the fact that he makes himself extremely ridiculous, he also didn't do himself any favors from the point of view of some courts. If you look at it, that way he ruined his own life very quickly and threw himself overboard with almost any reputation he might have had. How could anyone want to do something like that? By choice! It can only be a kind of "masochist"... *sarcasm turned on* Now imagine, the day comes when, against all odds, Craig Steven Hillbilly Wright (or whatever) can verified himself to be Satoshi... ;D :P :D *sarcasm turned off* Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Jumperman4 on May 25, 2020, 05:29:08 PM How do I verify this? I've been trying on the bitcoin.com and I get a error...no button to click?
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: bitbollo on May 25, 2020, 05:43:13 PM it's not the first time that some one sign a message from an address claimed by CSW. it happens just one year ago...
https://brainwallet.bchtools.app/#verify?vrAddr=16cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT&vrMsg=Address%2016cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT%20does%20not%20belong%20to%20Satoshi%20or%20to%20Craig%20Wright.%0ACraig%20is%20a%20liar%20and%20a%20fraud.&vrSig=G39S6i4XsfQnixN5ePMjVPboWvGXdnW8xFFAXiwEriZFCclflbD7umP58u3Sl%2BdvvXC5BxBrRNkTMNf92O1UIXw%3D https://memo.cash/post/9d41091fd659287c496c239b3b43000f8b7949dc98bcdc54cca5a501a3062dd6 https://news.bitcoin.com/craig-is-a-liar-early-adopter-proves-ownership-of-bitcoin-address-claimed-by-craig-wright/ Quote On May 16, an unknown person posted a signed message to social media concerning a bitcoin address that was used as evidence in the ongoing Kleiman v. Wright lawsuit. According to the message, which is verified to be the rightful owner of the address used in the Florida lawsuit, the address never belonged to “Satoshi or to Craig Wright” and once held over 160,000 BTC. As you can see (if you needed proof), at least one (!) address claimed by Wright doesn't belong to him. ;D ok it's "funny" see this person try to make these false assumptions and each time get a rebuttal. It's very dismal that there are some people that trust him as the "real Satoshi Nakamoto" Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DoublerHunter on May 25, 2020, 06:28:50 PM ^ For sure no one will trust, Craig Wright is just trying to tailor fit everything that he might get someone or everyone to believe him for if in case that it happens surely he could just escape all these lies for people will support hi, good thing no one does and all of us try to know the truth. Thanks to the real and only one Satoshi he made the key only for him and cannot be used by fraud like Craig. Nevertheless, this is just another bitcoin success that through this key Wright was proven as a fraud and just trying to own something that had never been his.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suzanne5223 on May 25, 2020, 06:52:58 PM Does this mean... Satoshi is alive and well? Is Satoshi reaching back out to the bitcoin community? There's no evidence about Satoshi reaching back to the community and him been die but what we clearly know is tbat he want his privacy private.How do I verify this? I've been trying on the bitcoin.com and I get a error...no button to click? You can by going to the link provided by the OP.Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: joinfree on May 25, 2020, 06:53:53 PM I knew right from the beginning that Craig was just trying to create some hype about himself and his coin. I quite remember during those times, BSV had a great spike in price. I am glad that right now, all the community members of BSV know that their leader is a big liar and a scammer too. Hope they quite the BSV chain and join Bitcoin network again.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 25, 2020, 06:58:36 PM Back to the Future - Satoshi Genesis! https://i.ibb.co/Jd8qNMt/FC6-B3-F0-E-CEE9-414-B-B2-DD-B22-C93845-DEC.jpg (https://imgbb.com/) upload (https://imgbb.com/) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on May 25, 2020, 07:09:30 PM https://i.imgur.com/5gK1RKQ.jpg
Twitter is on fire now :) Wannabe pimp Calvin Ayre against the rest of the 'evil' Bitcoin world who attacks him and his fellow Faketoshi. That is pathetic. source: https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1264965760876716033 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: guigui371 on May 25, 2020, 08:09:10 PM Do we know if those 145 addresses are from the same miner than the one (from last week ?) that split a 50Btc block with 10Btc to go to coinbase.
Also, twitter seems to believe that those 145 addresses could be from Hal Finey, so possibly his family ? (i can't find the fuc*ing source anymore !). I've prepared the popcorn for the next part of the Wright vs Klenmain court case where faketoshi has done perjury about the tulip's addresses. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hatshepsut93 on May 26, 2020, 04:46:36 AM I'm not a CSW minion, but according to them: Those addresses are included in a list of addresses provided to the court by Ira Kleiman. The addresses were not provided by CSW. Therefore, the post proves nothing. When people were discussing the early coins that were moved recently, I saw a post on reddit that explained that CWS basically presented a list of coins and said that some of them are in this tulip trust, but he's not sure which. So, yeah, this signed message won't help much in court, because he created some deniability for him for cases like this. It will be up to the judge to decide just how incriminating this message is. I would love to see CWS go to jail or at least slapped with big fine, but it seems like the law in general benefits scammers, fraudsters and patent trolls. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: fiulpro on May 26, 2020, 05:44:58 AM https://news.bitcoin.com/over-a-hundred-10-year-old-bitcoin-addresses-signed-calling-craig-wright-a-fraud/ (https://news.bitcoin.com/over-a-hundred-10-year-old-bitcoin-addresses-signed-calling-craig-wright-a-fraud/)
Yes the news came officially 12 hours before , apparently I do think that it did solve the age old question. *Who is SATOSHI ?* Apparently the person did say clearly that * everyone is SATOSHI which means it is a group of people who actually made Bitcoins , plus he is humble enough to add the whole community in it * It was a powerful message from the real creators I would say . The reason I do think it is someone who is an early creator is :- They do have keys to 144 early addresses , people saying this post proves nothing should search about it first . The message was double checked and everything was taken into account. "However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others." This particular statement hit me hard , the person is very very informed , he does possess the insight that would have aided in creation of Bitcoins.. He is one of the early creators of Bitcoins and Craig Wright stepped out of his bounds and now he is gonna get it soon , would be fun finally seeing him pay for everything. Court is not gonna leave him . I am sure he is gonna say * Someone hacked them 😱* Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on May 26, 2020, 06:33:10 AM I'm not a CSW minion, but according to them: Those addresses are included in a list of addresses provided to the court by Ira Kleiman. The addresses were not provided by CSW. Therefore, the post proves nothing. When people were discussing the early coins that were moved recently, I saw a post on reddit that explained that CWS basically presented a list of coins and said that some of them are in this tulip trust, but he's not sure which. ... No, that's not what happened. The addresses were provided by Craig and stated to be his bitcoin holdings. They were what the famous "Bonded Courier" delivered to him in January, and what Craig submitted to the plaintiff's attorneys. There's no way Ira Kleiman's lawyers are going to forge an exhibit. They are not Craig, after all -- they are real attorneys. You can follow the court records yourself. I went into detail about it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg54496934#msg54496934). Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Haunebu on May 26, 2020, 07:05:41 AM Another post about Craig Wright? What is the point people? The entire crypto community knows how shady he truly is along with McAfee who is another top fraudster. These guys are hungry for attention wherever possible and we are handing it to them pointlessly.
His recent PhD plagiarized scandal and this signed message scandal are just drops among the ocean of scams that this guy has pulled off over the years. Ignoring such fools is the best way forward. Why does choose to lied ? It's quite obvious. He loves attention and will do anything to remain in the spotlight which is why he never gives up trying to scam people. It is as simple as that.I am glad that right now, all the community members of BSV know that their leader is a big liar and a scammer too. Hope they quite the BSV chain and join Bitcoin network again. They probably knew about his scamming ways for a long time now which is why this current scandal won't affect them in my opinion. They will probably still stick to BSV.Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: o_e_l_e_o on May 26, 2020, 07:40:04 AM Ignoring such fools is the best way forward. Ordinarily I would agree with you, and we particularly don't need threads to discuss every little thing CSW does, or every lie he tells, or every completely nonsense blog post he makes.However, what we do need is threads such as this one and the one about his plagiarized PhD thesis. Threads based on unarguable facts, with hard, solid evidence, proving without a shadow of a doubt that CSW is a liar, a fraud, a plagiarizer, an identity thief, and a scammer. People continue to be fooled and scammed by him, and presenting hard evidence like this helps newbies who are unfamiliar with the situation to see the truth behind his lies. We shouldn't be giving him unnecessary attention, sure, but we should also be exposing him for the fraud he is. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 26, 2020, 07:47:01 AM I have some time now and I just started verifying all those signed messages. I have a full, synchronized bitcoin node and if nobody else have done it so far, I'll do it today and post the code like this here:
Code: 09:35:50 Let me know if nobody else have done it so far. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on May 26, 2020, 08:43:09 AM https://i.imgur.com/5gK1RKQ.jpg Twitter is on fire now :) Wannabe pimp Calvin Ayre against the rest of the 'evil' Bitcoin world who attacks him and his fellow Faketoshi. That is pathetic. source: https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1264965760876716033 ;D I can't wait for Craig's response. Meanwhile, Ayre and the BSV gang excuses 1. It's the scammer who was fired from nChain https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1264909003307601922 2. It's not the final list https://twitter.com/4goals86/status/1264928401351204870 3. "Hacked" https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1264929676431994882 No response needed It's all written down on the court docs... Funny nobody does PoW and go finds it out Yes. Funny that ... "... "The bloodbath is coming!" And more confused BSV fans about the Tulip Trust list signing event of today. A compilation." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY5Yo0RXkAA-1vM?format=jpg&name=large - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1265046527342530566 ... "For who's interested, in this Supplemental Response document Craig Wright *explains* how he got to this fraudulent Tulip Trust list. Up next: Craig will declare the bonded courier was hacked. Or Andres Rivero, his lawyer, altered his files." https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY5j1sUXYAE5FvH?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY5loRpXQAA13bL?format=jpg&name=large - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1265062975427272705 ... Shaggy It Wasn't Me (Official Music Video) (uncensored) *NSFW* - https://youtu.be/T_x6QmuJdms :D Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin BCH is NOT Bitcoin (coming soon!) ... :-* Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: pooya87 on May 26, 2020, 09:00:00 AM I have some time now and I just started verifying all those signed messages. I have a full, synchronized bitcoin node and if nobody else have done it so far, I'll do it today and post the code like this here: you really didn't need to sync a full node or import all those addresses in order to be able to verify the ECDSA signature. all could have been done even offline. if you knew python you could even write a simple script to use Electrum to verify all those signatures using the verifymessage('address', 'signature', 'message') method. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on May 26, 2020, 09:04:34 AM FWIW,
One line script: wget https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 && MSG=`cat 1148565 | head -n 7 | sed -e 's/\"//'`; echo $MSG ; tail -n 145 1148565 | while read -d $'\n' -a line ; do echo ${line[0]} `./bitcoin-cli verifymessage ${line[0]} ${line[1]} "$MSG"` ; done And the output: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. 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19aXsBvYyGeiFnAbCaGWtmeQwiFFxzH3mZ true 1Bh4Vari8LcDcdH2qWJVK5sN4dA4vWfQe3 true 153w6WiJW1Z2uKYegDVVbbBYYhzps6VmWr true 1CoFNuTemGzFPHqkuz2Ai5ZaweM7zfPJE6 true 1JMPLmKGdgD9Dtz3a4b4HpQzxZ69uVvUbS true 1FXcjyxCRuJkY72zrLxBjtEReQdv4f89pc true 12Q8NX5RdYYAf8gA9NM5DALzWWtU5dZHxW true 1Gd6DBfutYmwr6Z7CtV8pQiRXG3ZGhw8GX true 1PLU3ytAptPgHXWujCrcxLzqg4LdFX2bu2 true 1DYXvem7TuGT3oLgF2RsWyVc5ec1sJ82tH true 1Ef6TCo7MMqMepWZ6tKAAEUyigTqJWpjPT true 1L85SkdcRjMuLYuiKKq5QPywxHUs4GertE true 1PGZSrRhYbDDDJPiZHW47ffSFUGTkch2n5 true 1Q3HYAZwnooayQZWEkYSThT353KcbpFF3P true 1FDs6tF2wxAPhPKgkT4eCd51WWqYuFdXXR true 189k1PT89s9tUMigeJxHoccu44QRwEc2Tf true 1FuF5iWcHnEPMAhpk5cH7bzdZqjvKTdwka true 1LfgsdyXxa59sggxG7iHC2jZdy26fWqBij true 1LTXYmotcmkwp65Zv1UtcKaRNRrFQYmduP true 1LsZpodgMzW8bzHiSQS1kpZu9JzpdVLPB9 true 1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi true Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: salamat700 on May 26, 2020, 09:07:41 AM While the search and speculations on the many things surrounding Satoshi Nakamoto will continue so does the saga of Craig Wright. Many times he is exposed as a great liar and manipulator of things. The whole cryptocurrency is laughing not just at his back but even straight to his face yet the man is really good in himself believing his made-up stories. Isn't this a truly entertaining thing? I guess we shall be hearing more of this man and his convoluted lies for many, many years...unless maybe he can be put behind cold bars. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on May 26, 2020, 09:25:24 AM Another post about Craig Wright? What is the point people? The main point here is not Faketoshi or his fellows, but someone who owns addresses claimed to be owned by Faketoshi. We all know he is NOT Satoshi, but we do like to enjoy and have some fun from time to time. ;D You have signed messages, and you can verify them yourself. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on May 26, 2020, 10:17:58 AM I suppose that all of this debacle might at least go someway to helping folks to better understand how identity works in Bitcoin ...
Not your keys, not your coins! Don't trust, Verify! ... "... and then they woke up and discovered it was all just a dream ..." - SWIM Lupe Fiasco - Superstar (feat. Matthew Santos) [Official Video] - https://youtu.be/hVkBlsgthLg :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on May 26, 2020, 11:50:43 AM And to top it off, there's this little gem (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf), too:
Quote from: Page 14 of 28 - https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf Similarly, Wright also claimed that almost all communications between him and David Kleiman were, conveniently, through mediums that did not preserve a record. Ex. 11, at 55:7- 56:11. At the same time, Wright has turned over numerous self-serving records of communications between himself and David Kleiman that are provable forgeries. For example, Wright has turned over messages from an application called “Bitmessage” that purport to be exchanges between him and David Kleiman. Nonetheless, the creator of Bitmessage testified that some of these messages are dated from before he even released the application and that he is “as certain as you could possibly be that they are forgeries.” Ex. 12, at 23:8-24:2, 28:9-37:3, 146:6-17. Wright also produced (perhaps unintentionally), a “keys.dat” file containing the private key that was necessary to send the messages from the bitmessage account he claims was associated with David Kleiman. In other words, Wright undeniably had the ability to send these messages. ECF No. [500-2], at 31-32. Dr. Edman’s report is chock full of additional forensic evidence demonstrating that other email communications Wright produced as from Dave Kleiman are manipulated forgeries. So faketoshi created a bitmessage account under Kleiman's name and proceeded to have a conversation with himself. Then dated the conversation to a time before Bitmessage was available for anyone to use. Then gave the court the key as evidence to prove that he did those things. What an absolute cretin. :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 26, 2020, 12:04:29 PM And to top it off, there's this little gem (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf), too: Quote from: Page 14 of 28 - https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf Similarly, Wright also claimed that almost all communications between him and David Kleiman were, conveniently, through mediums that did not preserve a record. Ex. 11, at 55:7- 56:11. At the same time, Wright has turned over numerous self-serving records of communications between himself and David Kleiman that are provable forgeries. For example, Wright has turned over messages from an application called “Bitmessage” that purport to be exchanges between him and David Kleiman. Nonetheless, the creator of Bitmessage testified that some of these messages are dated from before he even released the application and that he is “as certain as you could possibly be that they are forgeries.” Ex. 12, at 23:8-24:2, 28:9-37:3, 146:6-17. Wright also produced (perhaps unintentionally), a “keys.dat” file containing the private key that was necessary to send the messages from the bitmessage account he claims was associated with David Kleiman. In other words, Wright undeniably had the ability to send these messages. ECF No. [500-2], at 31-32. Dr. Edman’s report is chock full of additional forensic evidence demonstrating that other email communications Wright produced as from Dave Kleiman are manipulated forgeries. So faketoshi created a bitmessage account under Kleiman's name and proceeded to have a conversation with himself. Then dated the conversation to a time before Bitmessage was available for anyone to use. Then gave the court the key as evidence to prove that he did those things. What an absolute cretin. :D Ye, Craig ain’t smart. Like you tools. Haha Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: HeRetiK on May 26, 2020, 12:24:27 PM There's something truly poetic about CSW getting rekt by the very technology he was trying to undermine. The fact that the original address owner(s) were able to do disprove his claims beyond any doubts, while staying completely anonymous, is the icing on the cake. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on May 26, 2020, 12:51:04 PM Ye, Craig ain’t smart. Like you tools. Haha I get that you're mostly only capable of making posts that effectively boil down to "My belief is that BTC is going to die soon and all the BTC supporters are going to be sorry. Then maybe people will pay attention to my wonderful altcoin which has a daily volume that's seemingly too small for anyone to bother tracking", but could you at least try to add something coherent to the discussion? Your inane babbling doesn't appear to serve a purpose here. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on May 26, 2020, 01:26:00 PM There's something truly poetic about CSW getting rekt by the very technology he was trying to undermine. The fact that the original address owner(s) were able to do disprove his claims beyond any doubts, while staying completely anonymous, is the icing on the cake. Beautiful. I wouldn't put it past him to try and weasel out of this in court. For example attempt to get the anonymous signer to testify (which they most likely wouldn't do) and/or try to dismiss the cryptographic evidence as a hack. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: bolawin on May 26, 2020, 01:39:43 PM if anyone interested
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hatshepsut93 on May 26, 2020, 01:43:22 PM There's something truly poetic about CSW getting rekt by the very technology he was trying to undermine. The fact that the original address owner(s) were able to do disprove his claims beyond any doubts, while staying completely anonymous, is the icing on the cake. Beautiful. He was getting rekt right from the start when he copypasted Satoshi's transaction signature and every person with the slightest understanding of cryptography understood that it was a really pathetic hoax, and yet somehow there came people who really believed him. It's just like flat-earthers of antivaxxers - some people are balls deep in their own biases so they can't acknowledge reality even when it smacks them in the face. No amount of proof will help here, if Satoshi appeared tomorrow, with signatures and stuff, and said he's not CWS, the CWS cultist would say that it means nothing, that Blockstream invented quantum computer and hacked Satoshi's coins. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: HeRetiK on May 26, 2020, 02:54:27 PM There's something truly poetic about CSW getting rekt by the very technology he was trying to undermine. The fact that the original address owner(s) were able to do disprove his claims beyond any doubts, while staying completely anonymous, is the icing on the cake. Beautiful. He was getting rekt right from the start when he copypasted Satoshi's transaction signature and every person with the slightest understanding of cryptography understood that it was a really pathetic hoax, and yet somehow there came people who really believed him. It's just like flat-earthers of antivaxxers - some people are balls deep in their own biases so they can't acknowledge reality even when it smacks them in the face. No amount of proof will help here, if Satoshi appeared tomorrow, with signatures and stuff, and said he's not CWS, the CWS cultist would say that it means nothing, that Blockstream invented quantum computer and hacked Satoshi's coins. Eh, cultists gonna cult. There's nothing you can do about it. The important part is that this exposes his lies in a way that hopefully has him thrown out of court for good. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on May 26, 2020, 03:14:57 PM ...snip... Ye, Craig ain’t smart. Like you tools. Haha The cracks are starting to appear ... :D " Craig is losing it. Holding on by a thread. Hes even falling out with his own sister in their circle jerk metanet chat (i highly suggest you find a way in, comedy ensues). CC @MyLegacyKit @MrHodl @StopAndDecrypt " https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY81UoXUcAA2EXl?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY81Uo1U0AEMIXT?format=jpg&name=medium - https://twitter.com/thomcanterbury/status/1265288879239622656 ... "Actually, Lisa N Edwards is Craig's sister, River (not her real name) is Lisa's daughter." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1265290921048002567 ... Kitchenware & Candybars - https://youtu.be/b5HgFeTeWEU :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: kryptqnick on May 26, 2020, 04:00:39 PM Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. Another post about Craig Wright? What is the point people? The entire crypto community knows how shady he truly is along with McAfee who is another top fraudster. These guys are hungry for attention wherever possible and we are handing it to them pointlessly. It's not a typical Craig-related thread, it's truly a progress in destroying his reputation as Satoshi Nakamoto. Academic integrity is one thing, claiming the addresses are yours and then getting debunked like this is IMO much stronger. Although while writing this post I've already received a response from a friend who thinks Craig is Satoshi, and this evidence did not change his mind, so perhaps you are right...His recent PhD plagiarized scandal and this signed message scandal are just drops among the ocean of scams that this guy has pulled off over the years. Ignoring such fools is the best way forward. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on May 26, 2020, 08:57:59 PM I suppose that all of this debacle might at least go someway to helping folks to better understand how identity works in Bitcoin ... Not your keys, not your coins! Don't trust, Verify! ... "... and then they woke up and discovered it was all just a dream ..." - SWIM Lupe Fiasco - Superstar (feat. Matthew Santos) [Official Video] - https://youtu.be/hVkBlsgthLg :D Right on-point ~bfX~ Thanks. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 26, 2020, 09:02:17 PM I suppose that all of this debacle might at least go someway to helping folks to better understand how identity works in Bitcoin ... Not your keys, not your coins! Don't trust, Verify! ... "... and then they woke up and discovered it was all just a dream ..." - SWIM Lupe Fiasco - Superstar (feat. Matthew Santos) [Official Video] - https://youtu.be/hVkBlsgthLg :D Right on-point ~bfX~ Thanks. Total OG, he knows his stuff, but I’m still banking on a big surprise by Craig. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Devawnm367 on May 26, 2020, 11:27:18 PM We have been saying this for how long? Lol I only verified like 4 of the addresses. The earliest one I found was May 19th 2009! If that was not Satoshi that signed those messaeges he is pretty damn close!!!! I trust a signed message from 100 different address that comes from 2009!!!! Whoever it was has not TOUCHED those coins!!!!!
I have a great feeling about whoever signed those messages!!!! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on May 27, 2020, 04:06:30 AM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself.
He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: meanwords on May 27, 2020, 05:03:55 AM This is not just your common Fraketoshi news, this is probably the biggest news out there. I mean, if someone really has the key and it was signed that craig is a liar, then how can craig, aka faketoshi, prove that he really owns it? Didn't he says he is waiting for a supposed "courier" to give him the keys to those wallets? I wonder what his defense going to be since that courier really didn't come. Is he going to lie that his "courier" scammed him his key? because since he trusted that courier, he knows who he is but as we can see, it's not the case there. This is probably biggest news yet that could throw faketoshi to prison for good.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: sovie on May 27, 2020, 05:38:48 AM Good effort. I also checked one bitcoin address, message, and Signature given in OP and that's valid . We all know from the day very beginning that he is faketoshi but this is now a confirmation that he is really a faketoshi. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: fullhdpixel on May 27, 2020, 07:37:34 AM This guy really messed himself up, and I am not going to pity him because he is getting what he deserves since he decided to be a thief and a liar. You don't just come out from nowhere and claim to be who you're not as an attempt to steal what belongs to another person. This year has been really bad for him; it was uncovered that his doctorate was plagiarized from one ‘Farting Unicorn’ or so… and now here's another news that is even more worse than the one that was first revealed.
This is starting to get more funny and I can't really wait to see what's going to happen after all this drama that has been on for years now. One thing for sure is that he's going to regret ever doing this. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Naida_BR on May 27, 2020, 07:56:47 AM Hopefully, this signed message and the evidence that CSW is not the owner can be used against him to the court of law.
My question now is who is this guy that signed this message? Should we assume that it is the real Satoshi - as recently 40 BTC that were mined in 2009 also occurred? Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: LoyceV on May 27, 2020, 08:11:50 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: philanthropist67 on May 27, 2020, 08:22:09 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)this forum is created by satoshi or theymos? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on May 27, 2020, 10:45:09 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)this forum is created by satoshi or theymos? Satoshi. You new here? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on May 27, 2020, 10:53:17 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)this forum is created by satoshi or theymos? You new here? What do you do all day? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on May 27, 2020, 10:55:40 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)Sure, I’ll set that up for you after I’m done booking you with a personal meeting with President Trump. :/ Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: coolcoinz on May 27, 2020, 11:54:55 AM Can we connect those two facts and conclude that Satoshi is back? No. I believe satoshi is back when he convinces theymos and regains access to his own account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3). I'd love to have a chat some day :)this forum is created by satoshi or theymos? Satoshi. You new here? His account was created in March, so obviously he's pretty new here. Back on topic, it was only a matter of time before he was caught lying again. I'm sure you all remember how he used to forge evidence (https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/bdxjuy/the_fraud_continues_craig_wright_just_purposely/) in his court case. Then we found out about his PhD and now this thing. Now we know why somebody was moving those 2009 coins. They could no longer watch CSW do his thing. What will happen now? Craig will deny everything of course. When they catch you with your hand in the cookie jar, say it's not your hand. ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on May 27, 2020, 12:07:05 PM the tulip trust list was not even 'satoshi stash'
it has been proven now that CSW's ist of public keys are just random addresses he grabbed from the public blockchain many people have shown that certain addresses never belonged to CSW as they were many people showing many addresses belonged to many other people. this completely shows that both dave and csw had no assets. this then shows that csw is liable to the australian court system. and also all the ponzi schemes he got private investments from on the bases of having tulip value. (which he never had) i know a few idiots are humming the CSW god song. but that is because CSW doubled down and said even if he cant repay them now. he will sell his biography and his future books about how he scammed the community. and repay them that way.. but the idiots dont realise they are not going to get repaid. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on May 27, 2020, 12:27:45 PM i know a few idiots are humming the CSW god song. And you're the biggest one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108368.msg49693128#msg49693128). I love how you honestly think people won't notice when you pay lip-service to calling faketoshi a scammer, but you still continually spread the same lies and distortions he spreads. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on May 27, 2020, 04:43:42 PM i know a few idiots are humming the CSW god song. And you're the biggest one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108368.msg49693128#msg49693128). I love how you honestly think people won't notice when you pay lip-service to calling faketoshi a scammer, but you still continually spread the same lies and distortions he spreads. your the idiot that is trying to get people onto other networks. your the idiot that is saying that btc cant scale sorry but its you that wants people on other networks. you even tell people if they dont like it they should fork off grow up and stop being a fangirl and atleast stop flip flopping in and out of pretending to care about bitcoin while mostly advertising other networks as the place people should go to .. here is the thing that you keep forgetting i have been loyl to btc. that does not mean i am an ass kisser to core. im loyal to the blockchain and data. this means when i see it changing in ways that decrease its utility on chain for users. then i call it out. i have been doing this long before craig has even been a name in the crypto community. it is not me being influenced by him. it is him trying to find any thing he can from multiples sources. so you have history reversed. his aims do not align with mine. but sometimes he tries to repeat my rhetoric but with his bsv slant on it. even you have to admit you have been arguing with me far before csw was a topic. so grow up. or atleast care about the bitcoin network and not your altcoin advertising. because its you who seems to be more influenced by people like him. atleast check your own rhetoric out. i know you dont liek being called out as a puppet. or an ass kisser. but atleast recognise your stance is more leaning towards moving people off network than it is to increase utility on network. .. as for CSW.. i was calling him out ages ago. i mentioned years ago how fake his tulip trust was. but hey. if all you want is a merit from gmax. then i guess you will still be an ignorant idiot favouring the commercialisation plan away from btc being 'digital cash for the unbanked' .. but one you might wise up. but for now. it seems you only care about the ass kissing so for now you will continually fail at your lame plans of calling out anyone who dont like the commercialisation plan of 'reserve currency for custodial service' networks. i know you want to try pigeon holing me. you tried it before. but my post history shows i have been calling things out before the pigeons even flew i can guarantee you that i have alot more value stored in BTC than you do. and i do not need to be rubbing shoulders and hugged by people to be loyal to something. i can think independently and dont need to suck up to people. try having one independent thought of your own that doesnt sound like a speech i heard someone else say. have fun trying Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: cr1776 on May 27, 2020, 05:51:19 PM As if there was any doubt to this. The thought that CW was Satoshi was ludicrous on the face of it.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on May 27, 2020, 07:00:46 PM As if there was any doubt to this. The thought that CW was Satoshi was ludicrous on the face of it. back in 2015 he was introduced into a conference via a web call. that alone felt weird because no one knew him, yet certain named people on the panel knew of him and thats where he started to play his games. by tying himself to big names like nick szabo but even in that first sighting of him trying to chum his way into notoriety it just felt fishy. then when he started talking about his tulip trust. even then it was void of any evidence. he even admitted he made a text file of public keys and got his buddy to notorize the public keys. that alone was early proof how empty of value it was. that was way way way before even trying to fake a signing of it so i hope people actually wake up and realise that dave and CSW never had or done any mining in 2009-2010. their trust never had any value EVER the whole ira K and CSW court thing. is just a stall tactic. i feel that CSW bribed ira to start a court(frenemies) just to delay the australian government from proceeding with their case. where CSW is hoping he can just delay the inevitable until it passes the civil statutes of limitations for australian government to seen a refund from CSW. however what CSW is doing now is pure criminal and not protected by the same statute of limitations. so sooner or later he has to just give up and realise he dug himself a hole so deep that it will bury him people like calvin ayres is only friendly with CSW i believe because CSW is promising calvin some returns on calvins initial investment. but calvin wil find out soon that there wont be any money coming. so he might aswe drop his ass kissing. .. and separately certain egotistical maniacs who want to commercialise btc as a digital gold reserve vault for other networks, will just use this CSW drama to pigeon hole anyone that wants btc to remain as a useful digital cash that scales on network. by trying their commercial scripted best to say that if they dont get onboard the core commercial plan, they must belong in the CSW camp. but thats just childish political nonsense. but they have not realised how stupid they sound when using this drama for their purpose Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Devawnm367 on May 27, 2020, 09:34:13 PM This guy really messed himself up, and I am not going to pity him because he is getting what he deserves since he decided to be a thief and a liar. You don't just come out from nowhere and claim to be who you're not as an attempt to steal what belongs to another person. This year has been really bad for him; it was uncovered that his doctorate was plagiarized from one ‘Farting Unicorn’ or so… and now here's another news that is even more worse than the one that was first revealed. This is starting to get more funny and I can't really wait to see what's going to happen after all this drama that has been on for years now. One thing for sure is that he's going to regret ever doing this. Lmao he should have never started filing lawsuits! He dug he own grave! He is also now threatening to sue his neice @River333 and his sister @LisaNEdwards !!!! His walls are crashing in on him and now he is doing what he does best and trying to file lawsuits on his siblings!!!! Even if it was not Satoshi that signed those messages, It was an OG Bitcoiner who has been around since the beginning! I think whoever signed that message is saying Craig is a fraud, I know who satoshi is (Person) or (Team) and I know that it is not Craig Wright!!!! "My girlfriends last name is WRIGHT, That is why we are still not married" Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on May 27, 2020, 10:07:13 PM This guy really messed himself up, and I am not going to pity him because he is getting what he deserves since he decided to be a thief and a liar. You don't just come out from nowhere and claim to be who you're not as an attempt to steal what belongs to another person. This year has been really bad for him; it was uncovered that his doctorate was plagiarized from one ‘Farting Unicorn’ or so… and now here's another news that is even more worse than the one that was first revealed. This is starting to get more funny and I can't really wait to see what's going to happen after all this drama that has been on for years now. One thing for sure is that he's going to regret ever doing this. Lmao he should have never started filing lawsuits! He dug he own grave! He is also now threatening to sue his neice @River333 and his sister @LisaNEdwards !!!! His walls are crashing in on him and now he is doing what he does best and trying to file lawsuits on his siblings!!!! Even if it was not Satoshi that signed those messages, It was an OG Bitcoiner who has been around since the beginning! I think whoever signed that message is saying Craig is a fraud, I know who satoshi is (Person) or (Team) and I know that it is not Craig Wright!!!! "My girlfriends last name is WRIGHT, That is why we are still not married" I think that the most logic that anyone can get from the matter is that Craig asserted that he was satoshi, and he used my 145 bitcoin addresses containing 7,250 coins trying to prove his claim. The real owner said: "Look, he does not have control over such addresses, as he proclaims. These are my coins and addresses." Now, of course the court can assign intentions, and craig is likely trying to figure out ways that he made mistakes in labelling the addresses or saying that he used to have control but someone stole those keys.. blah blah. He gets caught so many times, that he already does not have a whole hell of a lot of credibility with the court, but if some of the final questions might have to go to the jury rather than the court, so it might not be able to include some of the intentions if some of the matters are going to the jury, such as if there are reasonable disputes of some of the facts. There is no need for the early bitcoiner to say that he knows who is satoshi and it is not craig, and so the signing of the coins is not exactly a slam dunk, but the more craig gets caught, the more clear it becomes that he is lying. The court might already be inclined to believe that he is a liar, but I think that if there is any ambiguity, then some of the questions could end up in front of a jury to decide reasonable inferences that might go to intent and might not be direct evidence. I don't claim to know all of the details, but I don't know if anyone has to show that they know who is satoshi in order to provide evidence that it is not craig. In other words, I don't even think anyone (important) in the court case is proclaiming that they know who is satoshi, but just showing that craig is not able to support his own claims.. whether it goes to the end question (about being satoshi) or some intermediate step claim of controlling certain addresses or the dumb lame ass claim of the courier or some of his other pie in the sky made up caught a big fish stories. Of course, many of us have seen that craig has had other likely agenda points too, and some of his various shenanigans are merely to get dumb wishful thinking fucks about some of his claims to pump up his lameass coin in order that at some point he (and his buddy calvin) might be able to fork off and then take control over dormant BSV (such as what would have been the equivalent of Satoshi's coins) and trying to convince the dumb ass followers that it is just and good because craig is satoshi.. so it is not like giving them anything that they don't already deserve... .blah blah blah.. baloney.. and hoping to keep up the price of BSV during these various ploys. But still even some of the dumb wishful fucks are having their doubts about craig (which many of us thought it should have been obvious within about 10 minutes of first hearing him talk - wasn't that 2014-ish? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Devawnm367 on May 27, 2020, 11:51:54 PM This guy really messed himself up, and I am not going to pity him because he is getting what he deserves since he decided to be a thief and a liar. You don't just come out from nowhere and claim to be who you're not as an attempt to steal what belongs to another person. This year has been really bad for him; it was uncovered that his doctorate was plagiarized from one ‘Farting Unicorn’ or so… and now here's another news that is even more worse than the one that was first revealed. This is starting to get more funny and I can't really wait to see what's going to happen after all this drama that has been on for years now. One thing for sure is that he's going to regret ever doing this. Lmao he should have never started filing lawsuits! He dug he own grave! He is also now threatening to sue his neice @River333 and his sister @LisaNEdwards !!!! His walls are crashing in on him and now he is doing what he does best and trying to file lawsuits on his siblings!!!! Even if it was not Satoshi that signed those messages, It was an OG Bitcoiner who has been around since the beginning! I think whoever signed that message is saying Craig is a fraud, I know who satoshi is (Person) or (Team) and I know that it is not Craig Wright!!!! "My girlfriends last name is WRIGHT, That is why we are still not married" I think that the most logic that anyone can get from the matter is that Craig asserted that he was satoshi, and he used my 145 bitcoin addresses containing 7,250 coins trying to prove his claim. The real owner said: "Look, he does not have control over such addresses, as he proclaims. These are my coins and addresses." Now, of course the court can assign intentions, and craig is likely trying to figure out ways that he made mistakes in labelling the addresses or saying that he used to have control but someone stole those keys.. blah blah. He gets caught so many times, that he already does not have a whole hell of a lot of credibility with the court, but if some of the final questions might have to go to the jury rather than the court, so it might not be able to include some of the intentions if some of the matters are going to the jury, such as if there are reasonable disputes of some of the facts. There is no need for the early bitcoiner to say that he knows who is satoshi and it is not craig, and so the signing of the coins is not exactly a slam dunk, but the more craig gets caught, the more clear it becomes that he is lying. The court might already be inclined to believe that he is a liar, but I think that if there is any ambiguity, then some of the questions could end up in front of a jury to decide reasonable inferences that might go to intent and might not be direct evidence. I don't claim to know all of the details, but I don't know if anyone has to show that they know who is satoshi in order to provide evidence that it is not craig. In other words, I don't even think anyone (important) in the court case is proclaiming that they know who is satoshi, but just showing that craig is not able to support his own claims.. whether it goes to the end question (about being satoshi) or some intermediate step claim of controlling certain addresses or the dumb lame ass claim of the courier or some of his other pie in the sky made up caught a big fish stories. Of course, many of us have seen that craig has had other likely agenda points too, and some of his various shenanigans are merely to get dumb wishful thinking fucks about some of his claims to pump up his lameass coin in order that at some point he (and his buddy calvin) might be able to fork off and then take control over dormant BSV (such as what would have been the equivalent of Satoshi's coins) and trying to convince the dumb ass followers that it is just and good because craig is satoshi.. so it is not like giving them anything that they don't already deserve... .blah blah blah.. baloney.. and hoping to keep up the price of BSV during these various ploys. But still even some of the dumb wishful fucks are having their doubts about craig (which many of us thought it should have been obvious within about 10 minutes of first hearing him talk - wasn't that 2014-ish? Yes I agree completly!!! I think it is best that we keep Satoshi a secret! It has worked this far. I really think that this helps prove Craig is a fraud. That alone is a HUGE STEP!!! I would rather we never know who Satoshi is. I would like to know why he didn't touch the coins at $20,000 a BTC. I guess when you mined blocks of 50 back in 2009 by now you can afford to not touch them. Must be nice lol Does he still have access? I love the mystery behind it. Every few years new major posts just pop up out of the blue. I love Bitcoin it is truly amazing and anonymous! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on May 28, 2020, 12:37:58 AM This guy really messed himself up, and I am not going to pity him because he is getting what he deserves since he decided to be a thief and a liar. You don't just come out from nowhere and claim to be who you're not as an attempt to steal what belongs to another person. This year has been really bad for him; it was uncovered that his doctorate was plagiarized from one ‘Farting Unicorn’ or so… and now here's another news that is even more worse than the one that was first revealed. This is starting to get more funny and I can't really wait to see what's going to happen after all this drama that has been on for years now. One thing for sure is that he's going to regret ever doing this. Lmao he should have never started filing lawsuits! He dug he own grave! He is also now threatening to sue his neice @River333 and his sister @LisaNEdwards !!!! His walls are crashing in on him and now he is doing what he does best and trying to file lawsuits on his siblings!!!! Even if it was not Satoshi that signed those messages, It was an OG Bitcoiner who has been around since the beginning! I think whoever signed that message is saying Craig is a fraud, I know who satoshi is (Person) or (Team) and I know that it is not Craig Wright!!!! "My girlfriends last name is WRIGHT, That is why we are still not married" I think that the most logic that anyone can get from the matter is that Craig asserted that he was satoshi, and he used my 145 bitcoin addresses containing 7,250 coins trying to prove his claim. The real owner said: "Look, he does not have control over such addresses, as he proclaims. These are my coins and addresses." Now, of course the court can assign intentions, and craig is likely trying to figure out ways that he made mistakes in labelling the addresses or saying that he used to have control but someone stole those keys.. blah blah. He gets caught so many times, that he already does not have a whole hell of a lot of credibility with the court, but if some of the final questions might have to go to the jury rather than the court, so it might not be able to include some of the intentions if some of the matters are going to the jury, such as if there are reasonable disputes of some of the facts. There is no need for the early bitcoiner to say that he knows who is satoshi and it is not craig, and so the signing of the coins is not exactly a slam dunk, but the more craig gets caught, the more clear it becomes that he is lying. The court might already be inclined to believe that he is a liar, but I think that if there is any ambiguity, then some of the questions could end up in front of a jury to decide reasonable inferences that might go to intent and might not be direct evidence. I don't claim to know all of the details, but I don't know if anyone has to show that they know who is satoshi in order to provide evidence that it is not craig. In other words, I don't even think anyone (important) in the court case is proclaiming that they know who is satoshi, but just showing that craig is not able to support his own claims.. whether it goes to the end question (about being satoshi) or some intermediate step claim of controlling certain addresses or the dumb lame ass claim of the courier or some of his other pie in the sky made up caught a big fish stories. Of course, many of us have seen that craig has had other likely agenda points too, and some of his various shenanigans are merely to get dumb wishful thinking fucks about some of his claims to pump up his lameass coin in order that at some point he (and his buddy calvin) might be able to fork off and then take control over dormant BSV (such as what would have been the equivalent of Satoshi's coins) and trying to convince the dumb ass followers that it is just and good because craig is satoshi.. so it is not like giving them anything that they don't already deserve... .blah blah blah.. baloney.. and hoping to keep up the price of BSV during these various ploys. But still even some of the dumb wishful fucks are having their doubts about craig (which many of us thought it should have been obvious within about 10 minutes of first hearing him talk - wasn't that 2014-ish? Yes I agree completly!!! I think it is best that we keep Satoshi a secret! It has worked this far. There might be someone who actually knows who Satoshi is or was, in the event that he is not dead. Does not seem to be necessary that we know, and I suspect that if the real satoshi is (or has been) pointed out, he will just deny or deflect... but surely, if there were some irrefutable evidence then it might become more difficult to deny or deflect, I suppose. I really think that this helps prove Craig is a fraud. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, I thought that it should have been pretty clear within about 10 minutes of his first proclaiming to be Satoshi in 2014 that he was full of shit. So, yeah, there has been more and more evidence showing the ongoing fraudulent nature of his various claims. That alone is a HUGE STEP!!! Maybe this is where we differ? I don't really believe that it is that huge of a step, but maybe it could be helpful to convince some of the retards to dump their BSV.. but who knows, they might pump it instead, since it hardly has any liquidity, anyhow... The coins price is close to the same kind of fraud as those dweebs, craig and calvin. I will agree that it feels kind of nice to see some more direct slaps in the face that might cause some public squirming and more nonsense public contradictions - including increasingly contributing to conclusions that anyone talking up the project are either scammers, pie in the sky dreamers living in a fantasy, or retarded. Sure there are likely some of the BSV sheisters who are trying to shed a lot of negative light on BSV because they believe that it makes the whole space look ridiculous, including bitcoin.. so there are some folks playing that angle to the extent they believe that they can get any traction out of it. I would rather we never know who Satoshi is. Well, I suppose that the longer that we do not know who he is (was) then the more likely that we might never know, yet I suppose that there will continue to be speculation, so I doubt that the topic is really going to go away. In any event, I agree with the overall proposition that it is not really necessary to know who is satoshi, but if we happen to find out who is satoshi, then surely any of us investing in bitcoin should be prepared for that possible outcome too, even though currently it does not seem to be very likely that we will find out who satoshi is, at any time in the near future. I would like to know why he didn't touch the coins at $20,000 a BTC. I don't know what is so curious about that. There have been many times in which satoshi could have made a killing from his coins and even just moving a few coins, but he never moved any because it seems that he was not motivated financially by this project... at least that seems to be the fair inferences from the various evidence of none of his coins moving, at least so far not moving as far as we know. Sure there could be some other explanations, and without more context, I am not sure how important it would be to necessarily explore so many possible explanations or motives beyond just that he did not seem to be specifically personally financially motivated.... Would it be detrimental if I am wrong in my own tentative conclusion? Perhaps. But I doubt that it is even necessary to explore whether I am wrong, unless some important and/or material facts develop.. otherwise we are just engaging in pie in the sky speculation.. about something that might not even happen or be important in real actual bitcoin dynamics, whether price, development, adoption, other networking effects or otherwise. I guess when you mined blocks of 50 back in 2009 by now you can afford to not touch them. Must be nice lol There are a variety of ways in which people view wealth, and surely a lot of people will change their perspectives about wealth and finances through their lives, too. There are some people who feel content with modest levels of wealth or even just living in a kind of way that they believe is personally sustainable and covering all of their needs, and maybe with some emergency funds. So, sometimes we cannot really extrapolate particulars about his particular situation, and it is also possible that he died, too. Does he still have access? I love the mystery behind it. Every few years new major posts just pop up out of the blue. Intriguing for a lot of people.. not only you. That's for sure. And, yeah, funny how there might be a lot of mystery holders from those early coins that have not moved... not just satoshi.. and so some of the early adopters have become known, but sometimes they just come out of the woodwork, as you indicated. I love Bitcoin it is truly amazing and anonymous! It is probably better to characterize bitcoin as a kind of pseudo anonymous rather than truly anonymous, and I surely do not feel technically competent enough to understand how various anonymity tools can be better used to ensure a decent level of anonymity... and I think that there are also some users historically who had thought that they were more anonymous than they ended up being, especially sometimes once one address is identified and sometimes it can end up having transactions that combine it with other addresses and then remove some levels of anonymity. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Tipstar on May 28, 2020, 12:56:37 AM I don't think it's good to make fun of Mr. Craig Wright. He's suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a severe kind of mental illness. All he wanted was some attention. All he was speaking were white lies. No one in sane mind ever believed him. All he need is some medical and psychological assistance. Let's initiate a fund raising to support him for his medical expanses.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on May 28, 2020, 09:58:15 AM I don't think it's good to make fun of Mr. Craig Wright. He's suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a severe kind of mental illness. All he wanted was some attention. All he was speaking were white lies. No one in sane mind ever believed him. That (plus an extraordinary bit of tax fraud) might have been how it was before he got endorsed by the media and various 'authorities'...Unfortunately, frakensteins monster came alive and none of the people involved in animating him seem to have thought to add an off-switch. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hilariousetc on May 28, 2020, 02:18:20 PM I don't think it's good to make fun of Mr. Craig Wright. He's suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a severe kind of mental illness. All he wanted was some attention. All he was speaking were white lies. No one in sane mind ever believed him. All he need is some medical and psychological assistance. Let's initiate a fund raising to support him for his medical expanses. How do you know he's suffering from this and isn't just a straight up fraudster? I think it's dismissive to disregard what he's doing as some sort of mental health issue when regardless of any psychological issues he may or may not legitimately has he is quite clearly all there and is just trying to pull off an elaborate scam. I'd say this is more to blame on him being a giant fraudster than any potential psychological issue he may have. Him trying to seek glory as the creator of bitcoin is almost certainly just to reap the financial rewards of it rather than just the kudos, though I'm sure he'd love that as well, but I'm sure if he had a choice between the two he'd like much more to enrich himself as opposed to just being known as the creator of bitcoin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: fonship on May 29, 2020, 03:53:52 AM I don't think it's good to make fun of Mr. Craig Wright. He's suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a severe kind of mental illness. All he wanted was some attention. All he was speaking were white lies. No one in sane mind ever believed him. All he need is some medical and psychological assistance. Let's initiate a fund raising to support him for his medical expanses. I don't think he lacks attention, he is getting attention more than what he deserves for years now. Either you are being sarcastic about fundraising to support him. He has enough BSV to pump and get himself checked. Simple, he is insane and a liar. I think soon, he will be in jail. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Devawnm367 on May 29, 2020, 10:24:08 PM I don't think it's good to make fun of Mr. Craig Wright. He's suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, a severe kind of mental illness. All he wanted was some attention. All he was speaking were white lies. No one in sane mind ever believed him. All he need is some medical and psychological assistance. Let's initiate a fund raising to support him for his medical expanses. Lol if Craig is Satoshi then he does not need my broke ass to help him with his brain damage. lmao If he would stop blowing money taking people to court and filing all of the stupid lawsuits. He would have enough money to get his brain checked lol. I figure he will claim bankruptcy in the next year or so. Lets face it if SATOSHI ever did come forward. And signed from a wallet that mined the first 10 blocks Craig Wright would be proven a fake. This would cause BSV to crash back to nothing. He would lose all of his investors except Calvin Ayre. Seems to me like Calvin is the only person who has (SEEN PROOF) He is Satoshi? I wish Satoshi would just pop up and be like look Craig Wright is a POS Liar and a Fraud. Then we could all go back to not even knowing he existed.... I am kind of thinking whoever signed that message might be accessing some of the Kleiman funds. And pretty much saying look Craig doesn't have our keys! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 02, 2020, 07:09:16 AM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys The Plaintiffs had already argued the list was a “forgery intended to deceive Plaintiffs and this Court, and that Wright created it to avoid sanctions pursuant to this Court’s Order.” They said the new evidence further proves that the list is “not an accurate listing of Wright’s Bitcoin, and that he is still hiding the true list from Plaintiffs and the Court.” “Said simply, Wright represented these 145 addresses were part of his Bitcoin holdings and were locked in an inaccessible encrypted file. This week, the person that actually controls the private keys to those addresses used those private keys … thus proving the addresses do not belong to Wright.” While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 02, 2020, 02:36:03 PM Did any of you doubt that Craig was a fraud? Ye. Let’s see what happens later this year, tough guy. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 02, 2020, 03:07:18 PM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys The Plaintiffs had already argued the list was a “forgery intended to deceive Plaintiffs and this Court, and that Wright created it to avoid sanctions pursuant to this Court’s Order.” They said the new evidence further proves that the list is “not an accurate listing of Wright’s Bitcoin, and that he is still hiding the true list from Plaintiffs and the Court.” “Said simply, Wright represented these 145 addresses were part of his Bitcoin holdings and were locked in an inaccessible encrypted file. This week, the person that actually controls the private keys to those addresses used those private keys … thus proving the addresses do not belong to Wright.” While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... The Kleiman team could be correct, and surely there is a much greater obligation to tell the truth in the court and the submission of court documents than their would be in the various lies that Craig spouts out on a regular basis in any interview or interaction that he has publicly. So, sure in the court papers craig has also claimed that he had a mining relationship with Dave Kleinman, and perhaps that is a lie, too.. but the Kleinman estate seems to be trying to rely on some of Craig's representations, so even if he is not representing the addresses or locations of the coins that he (craigie) supposedly has control over then at least there might be addresses that craig has not disclosed to the court... perhaps? Perhaps? It should be quite difficult to rely on any representations of any compulsive liar, so once they are shown to be a compulsive liar, then it would almost become incumbent for the proven liar to show proof of every single claim so that neither Kleinman's team or the court ends up relying upon a previously told lie that had not been backed by evidence. In other words, at some point, there should be some place in which a foundation can be built, which there may be no there, there, and i don't know whether that would cause craig to go to jail or just having to pay heavily in terms of costs of opposing counsel.. and maybe some additional punitive measures (the previously referred to sanctions). Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 02, 2020, 03:28:17 PM Did any of you doubt that Craig was a fraud? Ye. Let’s see what happens later this year, tough guy. Another wishful BSV bagholder.. hoping that some day something that craigie said happens to be true. I tell you what is more likely to happen with you dumb fucks supporting Craigie and calvin in your bag holding and propping up of BSV is that they are going to fork on your asses, and such fork is going to rightfully turn over Satoshi equivalent coins to craigie and calvin and also other unmoved coins... It will be for your own good, while you dumb asses prop up the BSV price and those scamtwats are able to exit scam on your wishful-thinking hopium-filled fucks. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: ChiBitCTy on June 02, 2020, 03:52:45 PM I am consistently baffled that people follow this moron. It is really as easy as moving your the coins from the satoshi address or providing information from the company he registered bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org with. Craig busted himself out to me personally when he lied about having built smart contracts in to the blockchain from day one.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 03, 2020, 03:20:00 PM Let’s see what happens later this year Probably the same thing that happened to him last year, the year before that, the year before that, and the year before that: he will continue to be outed as the fraud that he is. Every prediction or promise he's ever made about bitcoin turned out to be false. From the SegWit "anyone can spend" nonsense to the mass dumping of Satoshi's coins, to the reception of private keys from the bonded courier. Every. Single. One. There's no reason to believe that after getting tripped up and caught in dozens of lies, he's going to be magically vindicated by some sort of hail mary saving grace. I think the last doubt that Craig was a fraud left my mind when he was caught having so obviously forged Dave Kleiman's signature. https://i.imgur.com/Eh9y7QW.png The next sentence reads in the lawsuit (https://edoc.pub/kleiman-lawsuit-amended-complaint-pdf-free.html) reads: Quote Craig has never provided additional evidence of their legitimacy. You can even replicate it yourself, its quite easy: https://i.imgur.com/lp2qD4z.png Only a morally bereft scammer of the lowest order would forge the signature of their dead friend for the purposes of defrauding his family. Only after this charlatan admits the whole charade is a lie and rescinds his idiotic claim will BSV's reputation begin to somewhat recover. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 03, 2020, 04:16:31 PM Craig is the biggest liar in the crypto industry, literally the king of liars. Are you saying Craig Wright is king and the best? Meh! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on June 03, 2020, 04:24:48 PM Craig is the biggest liar in the crypto industry, literally the king of liars. Are you saying Craig Wright is king and the best? Meh! You should merit the toolbag. Meh! ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 03, 2020, 05:06:05 PM Every prediction or promise he's ever made about bitcoin turned out to be false. From the SegWit "anyone can spend" nonsense to the mass dumping of Satoshi's coins, I'm all for pointing out faketoshi's bullshit, but I'm pretty sure a fair amount of the credit for the "anyone can spend" drivel still belongs to the original crypto wingnut MP and his trilema blog, which I believe pre-date faketoshi's equally dumb blogs by some margin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on June 04, 2020, 08:29:34 AM Here is latest CSW (Craig Scammer Wright) in short video on twitter..
I knew he was a scammer, liar and fraud, but now I know he is also super-stupid. Quote Interviewer: "Hey Craig, how do you explain the 145 addressed that signed "Craig is a fraud" last week ?" source:Craig: " No message was signed, you can't sign anonymously - you have to have an identity to sign....key don't count..I gotta go...be" https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1268366834287312897 Full video on youtube REIMAGINE 2020 with Patrick Mclain (I have no desire to watch this crap) https://youtu.be/PHBrodzl5qY Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: LoyceV on June 04, 2020, 10:01:32 AM Here is latest CSW (Craig Scammer Wright) in short video on twitter.. First rule of being a scammer: just deny everything!Quote Craig: " No message was signed, you can't sign anonymously - you have to have an identity to sign....key don't count..I gotta go...be" Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 05, 2020, 04:11:26 PM Did any of you doubt that Craig was a fraud? Ye. Let’s see what happens later this year, tough guy. Another wishful BSV bagholder.. hoping that some day something that craigie said happens to be true. I tell you what is more likely to happen with you dumb fucks supporting Craigie and calvin in your bag holding and propping up of BSV is that they are going to fork on your asses, and such fork is going to rightfully turn over Satoshi equivalent coins to craigie and calvin and also other unmoved coins... It will be for your own good, while you dumb asses prop up the BSV price and those scamtwats are able to exit scam on your wishful-thinking hopium-filled fucks. Another thing that is ironic about the gullibility of BSV supporters is to continue to believe the shifting narrative of the scamtwats, craig and calvin. Initially their claim was that craig had the keys to Satoshi's coins, and they were just waiting for tulip trust delivery, and more recently, they have been asking the court to just proclaim that the coins are theirs because the scamtwats do not have the keys. How more gullible can anyone be to either believe such bullshit or to prop up the value of such coins when craig and calvin are trying to figure out any kind of way to actually get control over the satoshi keys.. when of course, their claims are largely built upon lies and various kinds of smoke and mirror shenanigans... and even non-technical people are not that dumb, and in court systems, if the court does not understand what the fuck is going on, they can receive expert testimony from technical people who can rebutt the claims of the scammers and to show what should be more than an obvious scam attempt. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 05, 2020, 04:42:08 PM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on June 05, 2020, 06:10:41 PM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up When is the Aussie statute of limitations up? Thanks. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 05, 2020, 07:57:28 PM problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up When is the Aussie statute of limitations up? Thanks. Never. Franky is incorrect in that there is not necessarily a statute of limitation date for the ATO to pursue tax fraud charges once a case has been initiated. https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Commitments-and-reporting/In-detail/FOI/Fraud-and-evasion-guidelines/ According to a court document released just a few weeks ago, the ATO was actively investigating Wright as of June 2018: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZfIjHBXQAAl4vo?format=jpg&name=medium Everything else Franky said is just a baseless conspiracy theory. An interesting one, but not grounded in anything tangible. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 05, 2020, 08:47:59 PM problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up When is the Aussie statute of limitations up? Thanks. Never. Franky is incorrect in that there is not necessarily a statute of limitation date for the ATO to pursue tax fraud charges once a case has been initiated. https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Commitments-and-reporting/In-detail/FOI/Fraud-and-evasion-guidelines/ According to a court document released just a few weeks ago, the ATO was actively investigating Wright as of June 2018: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZfIjHBXQAAl4vo?format=jpg&name=medium Everything else Franky said is just a baseless conspiracy theory. An interesting one, but not grounded in anything tangible. When I used to chat with Craig [cause we were buds] he told me about the ATO. He said he left Australia in part cause the high yearly paper profit Tax. And that he reported his btc holdings upon exit which at that time were worth relatively little. So any taxes to the commie Aussies he owes is minuscule compared to the current btc price and all the free forks. In other words, the ATO has nothing on him cause he left when btc was cheap. Cause Craig is smart. Like me. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: bithisach on June 05, 2020, 08:54:43 PM Heck, I don't get why, if this subreddit hates him so much, why keep giving him free publicity? Why keep talking about him at all? He's just a loud child screaming because he saw everyone enjoying themselves playing ball, no, he wants to take the ball that is no one's, or the park's and is screaming "MINE!" as if that makes it his.
Don't give him a platform, don't listen to him, he doesn't deserve the attention, he craves it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on June 05, 2020, 09:01:19 PM Heck, I don't get why, if this subreddit hates him so much, why keep giving him free publicity? Why keep talking about him at all? He's just a loud child screaming because he saw everyone enjoying themselves playing ball, no, he wants to take the ball that is no one's, or the park's and is screaming "MINE!" as if that makes it his. Don't give him a platform, don't listen to him, he doesn't deserve the attention, he craves it. You new here? What do you do all day 🐀? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 05, 2020, 10:07:51 PM When I used to chat with Craig [cause we were buds] he told me about the ATO. Shows us from where you are coming He said he left Australia in part cause the high yearly paper profit Tax. And that he reported his btc holdings upon exit which at that time were worth relatively little. Yeah.. of course, we should believe that opportunistic bullshit. Someone who lies on an ongoing basis is not all of a sudden tell the truth.. So any taxes to the commie Aussies he owes is minuscule compared to the current btc price and all the free forks. In other words, the ATO has nothing on him cause he left when btc was cheap. Well.. go back there and defend it in court then. May end up looking through some bars. What an injustice that would be. Cause Craig is smart. Like me. Lot's of people like to imitate narcissistic scammers, but does not make them smart. Also, saying that you are smart, usually would cause any half way smart listener to question why you feel a need to say that you were smart, if it were true. Heck, I don't get why, if this subreddit hates him so much, why keep giving him free publicity? Why keep talking about him at all? He's just a loud child screaming because he saw everyone enjoying themselves playing ball, no, he wants to take the ball that is no one's, or the park's and is screaming "MINE!" as if that makes it his. Don't give him a platform, don't listen to him, he doesn't deserve the attention, he craves it. If you just let scammy and scummy fraudsters run wild, they are likely to scam and injure innocent people. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 06, 2020, 04:48:54 AM When I used to chat with Craig [cause we were buds] he told me about the ATO. He said he left Australia in part cause the high yearly paper profit Tax. And that he reported his btc holdings upon exit which at that time were worth relatively little. So any taxes to the commie Aussies he owes is minuscule compared to the current btc price and all the free forks. In other words, the ATO has nothing on him cause he left when btc was cheap. Cause Craig is smart. Like me. Okay. I don't believe any of this for one second, but just for everybody else reading this thread, the Australian Tax Office wasn't after Craig for his bitcoin holdings. They were after Craig because he made false statements in tax filings for (at least one of) his companies. Andrew Sommer was a lawyer who represented Craig for his ATO dealings and ultimately quit after he had been informed that Craig apparently forged a number of emails sent to the ATO to support his case. Coin-Exch Pty Ltd is one of Craig's dozen or so failed companies. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.1.15.pdf https://i.imgur.com/i39txsq.png Here you can clearly see his company owes $5.68 million AUD to the ATO. In the explanation letter accompanying the audit results: Quote Under the intellectual property licence, you claim to have acquired a licence to use software, said to be owned by Craig Wright who ‘has clear title internationally based on the judgement from NSWSC 2013/245661’. This is understood this to be a reference to a New South Wales Supreme Court Case (number 2013/245661) which was not finalised until 6 November 2013; after the deed date of 22 August 2013. That is, the licence agreement makes specific reference to an event which had not yet occurred, raising questions as to its validity. Again in 2015, another one of Craig's companies, DeMorgan, tried to claim $54 million AUD in tax rebates (https://www.grantcentral.com.au/big-numbers-involved-in-rd-tax-incentive/) that were based on false premises (https://medium.com/@Bitcoin_Beyond/forensic-report-raises-questions-about-australian-tax-offices-handling-of-craig-wright-probe-138843251ef5): Quote Adding to the big numbers, DeMorgan Ltd announced in a press release that it had received Australia’s largest R&D Advanced Finding from AusIndustry and would as such be eligible to receive approximately $54,000,000 in R&D cash rebate for the R&D activities conducted in the 2014/15 financial year. The interesting thing is that all three entities are involved in financial services/fintech – DeMorgan is involved in cryptocurrency. Of course they never paid him a penny. But that didn't stop Craig from using the supposed rebates to entice investors into a DeMorgan subsidiary named Cloudcroft, which was liquidated by the ATO in 2017 (https://bitsonline.com/wright-supercomputing-liquidated/): Quote Cloudcroft announced in 2015 that the rebates would allow it to build one of the world’s top 20 supercomputers. Wright would also front a master class on programming supercomputers. The company claimed to be assisting high-end computing firm SGI in building supercomputers. SGI quickly denied that claim. Basically, Craig has a well-established history of being an unrepentant liar about everything. And that trait seems to accurately characterize his supporters as well. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 06, 2020, 07:30:03 AM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up Interesting, but maybe someone else is paying Ira to destroy Craig's story. Do you have any info to backup your statement? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: omone1 on June 06, 2020, 07:02:08 PM He has been a trick star since I first started reading about him, that is how he keeps deceiving people about BSV and funny his disciples will never engage him in an intellectual discuss.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 06, 2020, 09:21:18 PM Ira Kleiman can now go and tell the court, that Craig Wright, who after 2020 controls the Tulip Trust coins, wants to spend some of his early Bitcoins and to spend his coins anonymously he signed a message to some early blocks, that is pointing away from himself. He should be jailed to avoid further damage. Not exactly, but I've been very close. Next step: Jail! https://cryptothenews.com/kleiman-legal-team-presents-new-evidence-of-craig-wrights-fabrication/ Quote ... Wright has the keys While the new evidence was commented by many on Crypto Twitter as showing once and for all Wright is not Satoshi, that’s not the position of the Kleiman team. They still think that he has access to significant BTC wealth and demand a share of it based on Wright’s alleged partnership with Dave Kleiman in mining the BTC. A week ago they stated that Wright has access to the Bitcoin holdings in question. ... problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up Interesting, but maybe someone else is paying Ira to destroy Craig's story. Do you have any info to backup your statement? ... sure, someone has to pay for the show each. I ve only seen docs proof that one side has / had a lot of property Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 07, 2020, 08:51:08 AM problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up When is the Aussie statute of limitations up? Thanks. Never. Franky is incorrect in that there is not necessarily a statute of limitation date for the ATO to pursue tax fraud charges once a case has been initiated. actually you might want to research better ATO many years ago were only in the 'investigation stage' craig legged it out of australia before any arrests and court cases started. heck the ATO didnt even declare how to even categorise bitcoin for tax purposes untill december 2014 and the ATO quoted they didnt have any records of any court proceedings involving craig before 2015(time asked). meaning that ATO had not initiated a court case. and right now while the tulips case is in the jurisdiction of another court in another country the ATO cant.. and thats what craig knows all about he left australia when ATO contacted him about his tax fraud. this was ~autumn 2015. which would be the date at which they raided his then empty house in australia where a court case WOULD HAVE BEGUN what the ATO can do if it passes the CIVIL limitations. is to then go after him for CRIMINAL charges Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 07, 2020, 10:20:36 AM actually you might want to research better ATO many years ago were only in the 'investigation stage' craig legged it out of australia before any arrests and court cases started. heck the ATO didnt even declare how to even categorise bitcoin for tax purposes untill december 2014 and the ATO quoted they didnt have any records of any court proceedings involving craig before 2015(time asked). meaning that ATO had not initiated a court case. and right now while the tulips case is in the jurisdiction of another court in another country the ATO cant.. and thats what craig knows all about he left australia when ATO contacted him about his tax fraud. this was ~autumn 2015. which would be the date at which they raided his then empty house in australia where a court case WOULD HAVE BEGUN what the ATO can do if it passes the CIVIL limitations. is to then go after him for CRIMINAL charges Did you not see the tax bill I posted that Craig owes? There is no "statute of limitations" on that. Regardless, I'm not talking about a court case, I'm talking about an investigation case. You apparently didn't read the link I posted: there is no statute of limitations for pursuing tax fraud in Australia. You just imagineered yet another conspiracy without anything of substance to back it. What is your source for your information on statutes of limitations? Whatever it is, it contradicts guidelines published by the ATO. Read it again (https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Commitments-and-reporting/In-detail/FOI/Fraud-and-evasion-guidelines/): Quote The law allows the Commissioner of Taxation to assess tax outside of the usual time limits where the Commissioner has formed an opinion that a taxpayer's behaviour amounts to fraud or evasion. Then, do better research. Lol. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 07, 2020, 01:49:33 PM problem is .. ira and craig are not enemies. craig hired ira to be a 'frenemy' ira knows craig doesnt own anything. but craig bribed him to play along. they are both on the same side trying to delay and cause drama at the communities expense. all so they can out-time the statute of limitations deadline on the australian tax fraud case. ira has never intended to get any 'satoshi coins' ira knows there is no trust.. he is getting paid from craigs other scams cough investors cough. so whatever happens to the case craigs plan is to have it dismissed by his script or by ira's script. all just after the australian statute of limitation elapses. is just a game to both of them even with 100% proof craig never had any stash. Ira will either find another excuse to keep the drama alive for craig a bit longer. or when the date lapses. then dismiss the case what needs to be done is someone else try to do something to get craig locked up When is the Aussie statute of limitations up? Thanks. Never. Franky is incorrect in that there is not necessarily a statute of limitation date for the ATO to pursue tax fraud charges once a case has been initiated. https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Commitments-and-reporting/In-detail/FOI/Fraud-and-evasion-guidelines/ According to a court document released just a few weeks ago, the ATO was actively investigating Wright as of June 2018: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZfIjHBXQAAl4vo?format=jpg&name=medium Everything else Franky said is just a baseless conspiracy theory. An interesting one, but not grounded in anything tangible. When I used to chat with Craig [cause we were buds] he told me about the ATO. He said he left Australia in part cause the high yearly paper profit Tax. And that he reported his btc holdings upon exit which at that time were worth relatively little. So any taxes to the commie Aussies he owes is minuscule compared to the current btc price and all the free forks. In other words, the ATO has nothing on him cause he left when btc was cheap. Cause Craig is smart. Like me. Trolls do not like such truth. It will destroy so much they re living and dreaming for. They ll always ask you to deliver more proof whatsoever But neither Satoshi nor you owe such (incl anonymous signing, lol) , its PoW to dig out sources for anybody. Do your own research Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 07, 2020, 04:30:37 PM Did you not see the tax bill I posted that Craig owes? There is no "statute of limitations" on that. Regardless, I'm not talking about a court case, I'm talking about an investigation case. You apparently didn't read the link I posted: there is no statute of limitations for pursuing tax fraud in Australia. You just imagineered yet another conspiracy without anything of substance to back it. What is your source for your information on statutes of limitations? Whatever it is, it contradicts guidelines published by the ATO. Read it again (https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Commitments-and-reporting/In-detail/FOI/Fraud-and-evasion-guidelines/): Quote The law allows the Commissioner of Taxation to assess tax outside of the usual time limits where the Commissioner has formed an opinion that a taxpayer's behaviour amounts to fraud or evasion. Then, do better research. did you not read it its not a court order. its a tax BILL letter from the ATO showing after investigating(auditing) the amount thats owed. the ATO did not at the point of that june letter take craig to court. but because the company didnt pay up by september. the ATO were about to start a court case against craig. but he had already fled to the UK and the police raid found an empty australian house. meaning no court case. meaning now he is out of the australian jurisdiction they have to wait for an oppertunity to grab him and then make a case. that time is running out. however like i said. not paying a tax bill is a civil thing with civil limitations but the lying about the valuation(fake tulip trust) to get australian tax grants. that is criminal fraud. and craig can get real prison time for the fraud. craigs plan this year is to atleast outpace the civil case. because he is definetely losing the criminal case ill explain it as if your 5 craig got ira on his side. he hoped a dumb judge would believe ira/craig had valuable tulip trust. and then say so on court filings. and then ira/craig would then suddenly say they will do a private settlement to avoid craig actually having to pay out millions on record(because he doesnt have it) .. but they know by faking the validation of the trust by dumb judge means craig has to repay millions in tax if this case is closed this year. .. so the main game this year is to outpace the tax bill civil limitations. by getting ira to keep asking small limited open questions. to keep the case alive .. though the judge is not dumb and has asked for actual proof of validity of the trust in the form of signed messages. private key proof. this has slightly worked in craigs favour because now he can play back and fourth for a few more months. however if a judge rules this year that craig has no proof of trust value. then craig is screwed both in civil and criminal. however ira is not playing the judge/community side of proving craig is a fraud. ira is playing craigs game that craig does have value.. because.... ira and craig are working together .. keep this thought in mind why is ira constantly acting like the tulip trust is legit. where everyone else knows its fake answer: because ira is on craigs side and only playing frenemy a real honest person would call out the fraud and say the craig deceived his brother and want compensation for the deceit.. but no ira is playing craigs game of pretending tulip had value. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 08, 2020, 07:27:14 AM that time is running out. Point to me exactly where in the Australian tax code it says there is a statute of limitations on pursuing tax fraud charges. Don't just talk rubbish - anybody can do that - produce a reference from the law. however like i said. not paying a tax bill is a civil thing with civil limitations If you don't pay a tax bill for long enough it doesn't magically disappear. It doesn't work that way anywhere in the world. ill explain it as if your 5 *you're Does't matter how you explain it because its all nonsense. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 08, 2020, 10:34:56 AM that time is running out. Point to me exactly where in the Australian tax code it says there is a statute of limitations on pursuing tax fraud charges. Don't just talk rubbish - anybody can do that - produce a reference from the law. That's not how arguing with franky1 works, you have to keep "researching" until you arrive at the same fantasy conclusion franky1 arrived at. ;D Don't let anything get in the way of a good fairytale. Facts, references, citations, they're all totally meaningless when they conflict with the soap opera storyline franky1 has concocted in his special brain. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 08, 2020, 11:30:11 PM doomad. grow up
many things are just too much over your head like nutdildah does not realise is the very simple stuff. from the LEGAL prospective of the ATO. at this present moment craig is only under investigation for tax AVOIDANCE. which is civil. thus statue of limitations the whole 'is tulip real or not' is still in question. so ATO are not going after him for fraud(criminal) presently ATO has not even done much on the evasion/fruad part of craigs 'company' all the ATO have done was audited a company and asked for tax. tax avoidance. is not criminal tax evasion/fraud is criminal learn the difference and it will enlighten you more what im saying is that craig THIS YEAR is trying to escape the civil tax bill. by keeping the ownership of the assets in question.. after all.. who owes the tax if they dont know who owns the asset its why he nominated himself as satoshi then backtracked because he knew the tax bill would hurt him. part of his game is to say if he is or isnt or if ira or another person was.. or if they all knew/were satoshi. causing so much confusion for tax AVOIDANCE purposes. along with the whole 'cant access funds for x years' BS but still having that fine line of pretending that there is assets and it has value and he has access to it yes we devs and bitcoin people know the tulip trust is fake. but in court. in law. that is still in question what i said multiple times now. craig is trying to escape the civil tax bill statute of limitations deadline. but later wont be able to escape the criminal fraud. but like i said. and you need to realise this. the fraud is not court proven YET again for emphasis. to save reposting to idiots yes we in the bitcoin community know that the tulip trust has no assets and is just a txt file of public keys anyone can copy and paste. yes we in the community know craig is a scammer. but the law is still in the grey area. and the ATO are not pursuing the fraud because its still in question.. thats a fight for a later date. and yes craig will lose that fight. but thats not the fight happening this year. this years fight is to outpace the civil stuff Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 09, 2020, 05:17:30 AM from the LEGAL prospective of the ATO. at this present moment craig is only under investigation for tax AVOIDANCE. which is civil. thus statue of limitations the whole 'is tulip real or not' is still in question. so ATO are not going after him for fraud(criminal) presently ATO has not even done much on the evasion/fruad part of craigs 'company' all the ATO have done was audited a company and asked for tax. tax avoidance. is not criminal tax evasion/fraud is criminal learn the difference and it will enlighten you more You are hopelessly misinformed. There's really no point in arguing with you as you can't be bothered to produce a single reference that backs up any of your claims. I suggest you take the time to learn about the ATO's past dealings with Craig before you churn out another idiotic comment as its evident you haven't done the slightest amount of background research on the subject. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 10, 2020, 02:05:04 AM i hope you realise your own 'research' such as the letter you linked which was the BILL(audit results) which was ATO's final 'last dealings' with craig before he escaped their jurisdiction
then realise that although craig is going to be found guilty of fraud LATER ON.. that is for another case another time in another venue. then realise the current case/venue is about something else. and the details of it are very clear as to what its all about yes we bitcoiners know that craig is a fraud. but the law does not work in that fashion. and craig is wasting the courts time trying to escape his liability. one day craig will get the punishment he deserves. but it wont be from this ira/craig case Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 10, 2020, 02:36:02 AM i hope you realise your own 'research' such as the letter you linked which was the BILL(audit results) which was ATO's final 'last dealings' with craig before he escaped their jurisdiction then realise that although craig is going to be found guilty of fraud LATER ON.. that is for another case another time in another venue. then realise the current case/venue is about something else. and the details of it are very clear as to what its all about yes we bitcoiners know that craig is a fraud. but the law does not work in that fashion. and craig is wasting the courts time trying to escape his liability. one day craig will get the punishment he deserves. but it wont be from this ira/craig case If such a pathological scamster has his toe into many simultaneous scam attempts, his fugitive from justice status will likely catch up with him at some point, and even if we might place bets upon which ways or how he might be called to pay, we cannot necessarily predict with any kind of precision beyond merely throwing of darts in the direction of a board while blindfolded. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on June 12, 2020, 10:33:37 PM Oh boy listen now this shit...and enjoy the fun ;D
Craig Wright = Mt.Gox hacker ? Craig Wright now may be the hacker that hacked Mt. Gox exchange back in year 2011, when 79 956 Bitcoins got stolen. His lawyers sent a letter to Blockstream in witch he claims the ownership of two addresses, and one of them is the same address that received BTC stolen from Mt.Gox exchange ;D This is one of mentioned address: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e67a0550848b7932d7796aeea16ab0e48a5cfe81c4e8cca2c5b03e0416850114 https://i.imgur.com/w9hVzTy.png https://i.imgur.com/HOmmSyU.png https://i.imgur.com/4AE0uRr.png https://i.imgur.com/MRPGIoW.png sources: https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1271471545790222336 https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1271468034931036160 https://decrypt.co/32198/did-the-mt-gox-bitcoin-hacker-finally-reveal-himself Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheArchaeologist on June 13, 2020, 06:20:51 AM This is one of mentioned address: And guess what? If you read the letter Craig doesn't have the private keys anymore because they were stolen on Feb 5th 2020.https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e67a0550848b7932d7796aeea16ab0e48a5cfe81c4e8cca2c5b03e0416850114 And the shitshow goes on in that letter when "Tulip" claims the rights to the name Bitcoin and the "Bitcoin Database"... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 13, 2020, 09:35:48 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 13, 2020, 09:49:07 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again So now the argument from the SV brigade is that perjuring yourself with provable lies is the work of a genius? You're going to have to explain that one in a little more depth, I think. What part of Faketoshi's "chess strategy" is accomplished by becoming a convicted felon? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on June 13, 2020, 09:53:31 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again ::) Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: vapourminer on June 13, 2020, 10:23:06 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 13, 2020, 11:24:11 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: vapourminer on June 13, 2020, 11:42:09 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 13, 2020, 09:04:23 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 13, 2020, 09:08:12 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) There was poker in first BitCoin client software There is more poker coming in Max Dim is 12 https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1271905246248407040 Oh, and eg things the pope didn't understand few 100 years ago was declared as lie Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 13, 2020, 10:36:44 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 14, 2020, 06:21:32 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. So you’re telling me the groupthinkers outdid the real thinkers? Would be the first time in history. Hey, don’t forget to wear your mask in dead heat of summer. The TV says there’s a pandemic. ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on June 14, 2020, 07:41:32 AM 4D chess? Poker? ::)
I believe that there are some people who are currently very deep into throwing their support for the scam, that they can't admit that they're wrong anymore. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 14, 2020, 09:36:48 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. Who are. US? Name a few? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 14, 2020, 10:24:29 AM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. Who are. US? Name a few? I bolded my statement above, presuming that you are referring to my "most of us" proclamation. So largely what I am asserting is that most established forum members who regularly post in the forum are not really into shitcoins... I don't need to name any... Yeah, there are a few retarded established forum members, too, and they will frequently show themselves as shitcoiners, but many (if not most) of the regular and established forum members are not into shitcoins or into scams... Sure if you are a shitcoiner, hv_ , then you might want to presume that there are a lot more shitcoiners out there and a lot more scammers out there, like you. You have shown yourself as both a shitcoiner and a scammer for a long time with your ongoing nonsensical history of posting baloney about BIG blocks and supporting the various scam forks, at least bcash and bcash sv... so sure, good luck with your presumption, if you really have one, that there are a lot more members like you than actually exist... I will stick with my own presumption, and I am NOT going to get into personality nonsense with someone like you who seems to relish in twisting reasonable points into gibberish.. It is not necessary for me to back up my point anymore than I already have, and probably I entertained your question way more than it deserved, too... hahahahahaha... Your lucky day. ;) ;) :P :P Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. So you’re telling me the groupthinkers outdid the real thinkers? Would be the first time in history. Hey, don’t forget to wear your mask in dead heat of summer. The TV says there’s a pandemic. ;D I am not saying that because if you want to show that there are some folks here in the forum engaging in group think because they tend to be skeptical of shitcoins or various attacks on bitcon such as bcash forks, then you have the burden to show such proof of group think... sure go ahead with your proof.. it is likely to come off as a bunch of gibberish, but I am not going to accept your nonsensical conclusory assertion that there is group think going on without some kind of meaningful evidence (which would be a need for both facts and logic... good luck with that). The face mask situation and various precautions against a virus remains a bit more of a complicated question, and seems to be a far from adequate attempt at an analogical way of arguing your nonsensical points to the extent that you have any points. Is that what you were trying to do, an analogical argument? lame at best, right? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 14, 2020, 02:03:55 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. So you’re telling me the groupthinkers outdid the real thinkers? Would be the first time in history. Hey, don’t forget to wear your mask in dead heat of summer. The TV says there’s a pandemic. ;D I am not saying that because if you want to show that there are some folks here in the forum engaging in group think because they tend to be skeptical of shitcoins or various attacks on bitcon such as bcash forks, then you have the burden to show such proof of group think... sure go ahead with your proof.. it is likely to come off as a bunch of gibberish, but I am not going to accept your nonsensical conclusory assertion that there is group think going on without some kind of meaningful evidence (which would be a need for both facts and logic... good luck with that). The face mask situation and various precautions against a virus remains a bit more of a complicated question, and seems to be a far from adequate attempt at an analogical way of arguing your nonsensical points to the extent that you have any points. Is that what you were trying to do, an analogical argument? lame at best, right? Hard to explain, especially with NDAs, but basically I’m saying I’m high caliber. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 14, 2020, 03:34:00 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. So you’re telling me the groupthinkers outdid the real thinkers? Would be the first time in history. Hey, don’t forget to wear your mask in dead heat of summer. The TV says there’s a pandemic. ;D I am not saying that because if you want to show that there are some folks here in the forum engaging in group think because they tend to be skeptical of shitcoins or various attacks on bitcon such as bcash forks, then you have the burden to show such proof of group think... sure go ahead with your proof.. it is likely to come off as a bunch of gibberish, but I am not going to accept your nonsensical conclusory assertion that there is group think going on without some kind of meaningful evidence (which would be a need for both facts and logic... good luck with that). The face mask situation and various precautions against a virus remains a bit more of a complicated question, and seems to be a far from adequate attempt at an analogical way of arguing your nonsensical points to the extent that you have any points. Is that what you were trying to do, an analogical argument? lame at best, right? Hard to explain, especially with NDAs, but basically I’m saying I’m high caliber. You, Vlad2Vlad, trying to present yourself as if you have some kind of insider, secret, non-disclosable information... hahahaha.. nonsensical approaches that a lot of scammers employ.. and has not worked out too well for craigie. https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/ReXhmU1bO5LAW9hib_FYhxri-AA=/0x54:1024x630/720x405/media/img/mt/2016/05/gettyimages_539589691_1024/original.jpg If you are claiming to be associated with BSV, Craig, Calvin, or you have some kind of NDA (Non-disclosure agreement) to carrying out agendas related to those fucktwats, then you would not likely be considered to fall into any kind of bitcoin "high caliber" status. Sure, I will concede that there are likely businesses that are built on and around bitcoin that do legitimately employ NDAs in relation to some of their products or approaches to business, so not all NDAs are scammy in and of themselves, but any NDA associated with BSV, craig or calvin would likely be presumed to be anything other than "high caliber" since those diptwats have even been engaging in tactics that seem to be hostile to open source culture (and of course bitcoin), claiming property rights, filing something similar to SLAPP (strategic lawsuits against participation) lawsuits to attempt to threaten and quell speech, open ideas or people who truthfully proclaim them as fraudster/scammers.. and since craigie, calvin and their agents behind the scenes seem to be so fucking incompetent, they have NOT been very successful in their multi-faceted approaches to abuse systems, mislead, scamming and threatening people, even though some of their bag holding followers seem to appreciate their attempts to pumpen the quasi-incompetent (can't hardly get listed on any legitimate exchange) BSV attack-vector product (which product also has a potential side-benefit of allowing for a possible exit scam for craigie and calvinie if they were able to get a hardfork to forken over the possession of all of satoshi's coins, and any other unmoved coins, and even the dumbass BSV users (bagholders) seem to be not so dumb to fall for that extreme scammy ploy). Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 14, 2020, 04:08:38 PM Not that it's getting too boring.. 4D chess again Does playing 4D chess require lying, defrauding, swindling, doctoring documents, and impostoring? Because he's losing, and no one is playing his game. obviously he is playing against himself. thats why he thinks he can win. as he is a half wit, one half will win.. right? 4D chess FTW Technically speaking, all games of chess are 4D chess. The chessboard and its pieces are 3D. see? thats why i could never rise to the csw levels of.. whatever it is. i miss such obvious things. *sigh* Technically speaking, he’s playing poker with everyone. He actually tweeted a steganographic message about it ~3 years ago. Anybody know what cards he’s holding or is this the amateur table? ;) Most of us don't play with known frauds/scammers, and it took about 5 minutes (or maybe less) for many of us to hear him first speak to realize that he was a fraud/scammer/narcisist. His subsequent actions have largely just confirmed the initial impressions, so probably anyone at the table would merely be bag holders of one sort or another filled with hopium and believing in matters that are contrary to the facts. So you’re telling me the groupthinkers outdid the real thinkers? Would be the first time in history. Hey, don’t forget to wear your mask in dead heat of summer. The TV says there’s a pandemic. ;D I am not saying that because if you want to show that there are some folks here in the forum engaging in group think because they tend to be skeptical of shitcoins or various attacks on bitcon such as bcash forks, then you have the burden to show such proof of group think... sure go ahead with your proof.. it is likely to come off as a bunch of gibberish, but I am not going to accept your nonsensical conclusory assertion that there is group think going on without some kind of meaningful evidence (which would be a need for both facts and logic... good luck with that). The face mask situation and various precautions against a virus remains a bit more of a complicated question, and seems to be a far from adequate attempt at an analogical way of arguing your nonsensical points to the extent that you have any points. Is that what you were trying to do, an analogical argument? lame at best, right? Hard to explain, especially with NDAs, but basically I’m saying I’m high caliber. You, Vlad2Vlad, trying to present yourself as if you have some kind of insider, secret, non-disclosable information... hahahaha.. nonsensical approaches that a lot of scammers employ.. and has not worked out too well for craigie. https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/ReXhmU1bO5LAW9hib_FYhxri-AA=/0x54:1024x630/720x405/media/img/mt/2016/05/gettyimages_539589691_1024/original.jpg If you are claiming to be associated with BSV, Craig, Calvin, or you have some kind of NDA (Non-disclosure agreement) to carrying out agendas related to those fucktwats, then you would not likely be considered to fall into any kind of bitcoin "high caliber" status. Sure, I will concede that there are likely businesses that are built on and around bitcoin that do legitimately employ NDAs in relation to some of their products or approaches to business, so not all NDAs are scammy in and of themselves, but any NDA associated with BSV, craig or calvin would likely be presumed to be anything other than "high caliber" since those diptwats have even been engaging in tactics that seem to be hostile to open source culture (and of course bitcoin), claiming property rights, filing something similar to SLAPP (strategic lawsuits against participation) lawsuits to attempt to threaten and quell speech, open ideas or people who truthfully proclaim them as fraudster/scammers.. and since craigie, calvin and their agents behind the scenes seem to be so fucking incompetent, they have NOT been very successful in their multi-faceted approaches to abuse systems, mislead, scamming and threatening people, even though some of their bag holding followers seem to appreciate their attempts to pumpen the quasi-incompetent (can't hardly get listed on any legitimate exchange) BSV attack-vector product (which product also has a potential side-benefit of allowing for a possible exit scam for craigie and calvinie if they were able to get a hardfork to forken over the possession of all of satoshi's coins, and any other unmoved coins, and even the dumbass BSV users (bagholders) seem to be not so dumb to fall for that extreme scammy ploy). I have no NDAs with Craig, Russ or BSV. I honestly think people are following the crowd and not thinking on their own and looking at the tech and the progress made by Craig. Plus, I’m high caliber. ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 14, 2020, 07:12:22 PM Hard to explain, especially with NDAs, but basically I’m saying I’m high caliber. You, Vlad2Vlad, trying to present yourself as if you have some kind of insider, secret, non-disclosable information... hahahaha.. nonsensical approaches that a lot of scammers employ.. and has not worked out too well for craigie.If you are claiming to be associated with BSV, Craig, Calvin, or you have some kind of NDA (Non-disclosure agreement) to carrying out agendas related to those fucktwats, then you would not likely be considered to fall into any kind of bitcoin "high caliber" status. I get the impression Vlad2Vlad isn't a BSV shill. They appear to dislike Bitcoin and all the forkcoins in equal measure. If I had to guess, they're only clinging onto hope that Faketoshi is successful simply because any coin Faketoshi is associated with would be seen in a negative light. Maybe then people will pay attention to Vlad2Vlad's altcoin that no one cares about. ::) It's not "hard to explain" in the slightest. They think this little Faketoshi pantomime is beneficial to other altcoins, namely theirs, so they're playing along and stoking the fire. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 14, 2020, 09:09:30 PM Hard to explain, especially with NDAs, but basically I’m saying I’m high caliber. You, Vlad2Vlad, trying to present yourself as if you have some kind of insider, secret, non-disclosable information... hahahaha.. nonsensical approaches that a lot of scammers employ.. and has not worked out too well for craigie.If you are claiming to be associated with BSV, Craig, Calvin, or you have some kind of NDA (Non-disclosure agreement) to carrying out agendas related to those fucktwats, then you would not likely be considered to fall into any kind of bitcoin "high caliber" status. I get the impression Vlad2Vlad isn't a BSV shill. They appear to dislike Bitcoin and all the forkcoins in equal measure. If I had to guess, they're only clinging onto hope that Faketoshi is successful simply because any coin Faketoshi is associated with would be seen in a negative light. Maybe then people will pay attention to Vlad2Vlad's altcoin that no one cares about. ::) It's not "hard to explain" in the slightest. They think this little Faketoshi pantomime is beneficial to other altcoins, namely theirs, so they're playing along and stoking the fire. If you build the best coin, they will ALL come!!! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 14, 2020, 11:43:23 PM I get the impression Vlad2Vlad isn't a BSV shill. They appear to dislike Bitcoin and all the forkcoins in equal measure. If I had to guess, they're only clinging onto hope that Faketoshi is successful simply because any coin Faketoshi is associated with would be seen in a negative light. Maybe then people will pay attention to Vlad2Vlad's altcoin that no one cares about. ::) It's not "hard to explain" in the slightest. They think this little Faketoshi pantomime is beneficial to other altcoins, namely theirs, so they're playing along and stoking the fire. If you build the best coin, they will ALL come!!! Yes, that's why nearly everyone in crypto uses Bitcoin and not whatever it is you're trying to peddle. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 15, 2020, 03:53:06 AM [edited out] I have no NDAs with Craig, Russ or BSV. I honestly think people are following the crowd and not thinking on their own and looking at the tech and the progress made by Craig. Plus, I’m high caliber. ;D First: The various bcash scams are not about tech, even though they frequently misleadingly frame their motivations in terms of "tech." If the motivations were actually based on attempts at valid tech arguments rather than the various other get-rich-quick and other scamminess distractions, then there may be some validity to those various bcashes.. But that is NOT what is going on in terms of the various bcash promotions, even though some gullible folks and variant bcash bagholders are drug along with supporting such nonsense scam coins based on such false premises. Second: Poor "high caliber" you. Feel some kind of need to engage in self-described validation. :'( :'( ::) ::) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on June 15, 2020, 05:59:46 AM Craig is High Caliber! :-*He's Adam Back's Borat-like character-stooge for the community to disattach itself from the Myth Of Satoshi. The conspiracy is complete. The real 4D chess. Tin-foil hats on. https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/1271970611842240512 Quote Maybe we should get mentally prepared to disown Satoshi. Nuke the nym from orbit, just to be safe. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 15, 2020, 10:37:19 AM I get the impression Vlad2Vlad isn't a BSV shill. They appear to dislike Bitcoin and all the forkcoins in equal measure. If I had to guess, they're only clinging onto hope that Faketoshi is successful simply because any coin Faketoshi is associated with would be seen in a negative light. Maybe then people will pay attention to Vlad2Vlad's altcoin that no one cares about. ::) It's not "hard to explain" in the slightest. They think this little Faketoshi pantomime is beneficial to other altcoins, namely theirs, so they're playing along and stoking the fire. If you build the best coin, they will ALL come!!! Yes, that's why nearly everyone in crypto uses Bitcoin and not whatever it is you're trying to peddle. Wait, people are actually “using” bitcoin? Hahaha. Be ready to be leapfrogged and most likely a nice juicy 51 network attack too cause you guys can’t do even the most basic amount of research. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on June 15, 2020, 11:19:45 AM ...snip... Wait, people are actually “using” bitcoin? Hahaha. Be ready to be leapfrogged and most likely a nice juicy 51 network attack too cause you guys can’t do even the most basic amount of research. ::) Yes, this is very relevant. It took me some time to finally crack this. If you think this riddle is hard to solve, imagine not having any hints, for the clues I'm giving you nearly solve the riddle, entirely. "XBT had a Twin Brother, XIC; but the latter will murder his brother, in cold blood, and rob him of his crown and all his glory. The wicked Twin, rising from the sea - who will ruthlessly enslave and rule the world, is marked and will be recognized by all, according to his evil mark and number." I'll leave it to everyone else to solve this fairly simple riddle. And please don't bother with all the 666 rhetoric, this is gonna require a bit more thinking, but it's there. In solving this riddle you are likely to find the keys to great fortune; albeit, holding on to that fortune will prove a much greater and painful challenge. *facepalm* :D Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 15, 2020, 04:48:44 PM ...snip... Wait, people are actually “using” bitcoin? Hahaha. Be ready to be leapfrogged and most likely a nice juicy 51 network attack too cause you guys can’t do even the most basic amount of research. ::) Yes, this is very relevant. It took me some time to finally crack this. If you think this riddle is hard to solve, imagine not having any hints, for the clues I'm giving you nearly solve the riddle, entirely. "XBT had a Twin Brother, XIC; but the latter will murder his brother, in cold blood, and rob him of his crown and all his glory. The wicked Twin, rising from the sea - who will ruthlessly enslave and rule the world, is marked and will be recognized by all, according to his evil mark and number." I'll leave it to everyone else to solve this fairly simple riddle. And please don't bother with all the 666 rhetoric, this is gonna require a bit more thinking, but it's there. In solving this riddle you are likely to find the keys to great fortune; albeit, holding on to that fortune will prove a much greater and painful challenge. *facepalm* :D Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin. May I complete this sentence: Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin and Ixcoin is a shitcoin. You're welcome. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 15, 2020, 06:54:36 PM ...snip... Wait, people are actually “using” bitcoin? Hahaha. Be ready to be leapfrogged and most likely a nice juicy 51 network attack too cause you guys can’t do even the most basic amount of research. ::) Yes, this is very relevant. It took me some time to finally crack this. If you think this riddle is hard to solve, imagine not having any hints, for the clues I'm giving you nearly solve the riddle, entirely. "XBT had a Twin Brother, XIC; but the latter will murder his brother, in cold blood, and rob him of his crown and all his glory. The wicked Twin, rising from the sea - who will ruthlessly enslave and rule the world, is marked and will be recognized by all, according to his evil mark and number." I'll leave it to everyone else to solve this fairly simple riddle. And please don't bother with all the 666 rhetoric, this is gonna require a bit more thinking, but it's there. In solving this riddle you are likely to find the keys to great fortune; albeit, holding on to that fortune will prove a much greater and painful challenge. *facepalm* :D Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin. May I complete this sentence: Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin and Ixcoin is a shitcoin. You're welcome. Thanks for putting that about ixcoin in bold. Bookmarked. I’m high caliber so what are the odds I’m wrong? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on June 16, 2020, 08:48:41 AM You're welcome!
This forum is such a shitforum sometimes, Vlad even gave my post merit - hilarious! [citation's needed] Right, back to the main topic then ... *Satirical* *Meme* "Metanet = Skynet - Proof me wrong" - https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1272777272534216704 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EanQAsiWoAEmO58?format=jpg&name=large :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on June 16, 2020, 09:22:02 AM You're welcome! This forum is such a shitforum sometimes, Vlad even gave my post merit - hilarious! [citation's needed] Right, back to the main topic then ... *Satirical* *Meme* "Metanet = Skynet - Proof me wrong" - https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1272777272534216704 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EanQAsiWoAEmO58?format=jpg&name=large :D * I indeed merited your post. Made me laugh. Probably the best way to get merits out of me regardless who you are. This post deserves at least 7 merits for the laughs, originality and effort in the artwork. :) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on June 16, 2020, 10:44:20 AM https://i.imgur.com/CpZUbi3.png
He is back in newspapers again and now accusing Tether and Kraken for funding $10 Billion Bitcoin lawsuit against him. Must be fun to be in CSW skin (not) ::) https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/craig-wright-accuses-tether-kraken-funding-10b-bitcoin-lawsuit-against-him/ Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on June 16, 2020, 11:44:45 AM https://cointelegraph.com/news/craig-wright-denies-hacking-mt-gox-says-he-bought-those-bitcoins
Lawers might know better better https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-hack-could-see-bitcoin-rights-settled-in-court/ Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DaveF on June 16, 2020, 11:50:19 AM From the end of the article ( https://modernconsensus.com/cryptocurrencies/craig-wright-accuses-tether-kraken-funding-10b-bitcoin-lawsuit-against-him/ ):
Quote “Dr. Wright, is Calvin Ayre funding this litigation?” “Objection! Same objection as before.” Judge Reinhart allowed him to proceed. “I will allow him to answer that. It is a yes or no question as to whether Mr. Ayre is funding the litigation.” Craig Wright gave a final answer, “No, he is not.” I love stuff like this, that's correct Ayre is not funding the litigation. He is just giving CSW tons of cash and he does with it what he wants. That and from the buckets of cash they are making from their followers. I just lump those people together with the people that invest in any other scheme that is obviously fraud. Some are looking to make a buck off the other suckers who are following (and some will) while others are the suckers throwing their money away. -Dave Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: bearexin on June 16, 2020, 05:34:14 PM Right from time when I heard about this guy I don’t stress myself when it comes to things that has to do with him. He is not the first person that claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto, there are lots of scammers that have done that and when I saw him I just said to myself ‘this is just another liar and a thief’. Never stressing myself, knew right from time he was fake and, the worst part is that every lie he throws out to the public always comes back to haunt him.
I hope he’s sentenced to jail this time around where he’s going to probably cool off for a bit. Not sure his offence are eligible to be jailed for the sake of giving us break, judges must go for that ;). Usually I do hate the personal attracts but I guess I must breach my own resolutions for this guy. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 16, 2020, 06:48:04 PM Right from time when I heard about this guy I don’t stress myself when it comes to things that has to do with him. He is not the first person that claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto, there are lots of scammers that have done that and when I saw him I just said to myself ‘this is just another liar and a thief’. Never stressing myself, knew right from time he was fake and, the worst part is that every lie he throws out to the public always comes back to haunt him. I hope he’s sentenced to jail this time around where he’s going to probably cool off for a bit. Not sure his offence are eligible to be jailed for the sake of giving us break, judges must go for that ;). Usually I do hate the personal attracts but I guess I must breach my own resolutions for this guy. I agree with everything you said, bearexin; however, I would like to supplement what you seem to be saying. Each of us can make a kind of character assessment, and conclude fairly early on that a guy like craig fucktwat is a deranged and deluded scammer, but then also we might also want to consider how much of an impact he might have on the public, and sure, there is some element that seems to suggest that NO reasonable person should believe his load of crap, but then some of us meet people in our real life who seem to be smart and reasonable, but they fall for similar levels of obvious phoney baloney, which we might consider to cause some kind of obligation for those kinds of people to be protected from seemingly obvious scams and purposeful misrepresentations. I have a tentative belief that in the good ole days, a guy like him would have been locked up for a decent amount of time, including merely just submitting fraudulent documents in a court (even if it happens to be a civil, rather than criminal proceeding), but it seems that either courts have become more whimpy or maybe the threshold for locking up someone like him is a bit higher than I am estimating it to be. So, sure, I could see Craig fucktwat getting locked up, but, like you, I have doubts about how likely something like that would be - or is it just merely wishful thinking that we might be able to remove some obvious fraud scammers from the public space for a meaningful amount of time that might either allow them to learn a lesson (seems doubtful) or at least protect society for a while. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on June 16, 2020, 09:29:59 PM ...snip... He's Adam Back's Borat-like character-stooge for the community to disattach itself from the Myth Of Satoshi. The conspiracy is complete. The real 4D chess. Tin-foil hats on. https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/1271970611842240512 Quote Maybe we should get mentally prepared to disown Satoshi. Nuke the nym from orbit, just to be safe. *Satire* "Maybe we should get mentally prepared to disown Blockstream. Nuke the satellites from orbit, just to be safe." - SWIM ... :D LOL. Diehard Faketoshi supporters in their last throes of denial. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EanddCeUMAA9oYT?format=png&name=900x900 "The more evidence of fraud, the further the BSVers will retreat into batshit conspiracies. Unless mentally ill, this is dishonest scamming." - https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/1272793280657321985 The Streets - Has It Come to This? (Official Video) - https://youtu.be/22U2LLVRwtk In other news ... not *Satire* ... "Craig realized his mistake! In depo Craig said May/June 2011, and stash under control by a woman he can't locate. And now hacked in February 2020 again? Oh, and these BTC came straight from a cold storage address of Mt Gox. It was stolen." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1272878004495147010 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eaory2pXkAIqrb2?format=jpg&name=900x900 ::) ... "You don't have to help to work here, but you are clearly mad!" - BitcoinFX ... :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 16, 2020, 09:38:33 PM I have a tentative belief that in the good ole days, a guy like him would have been locked up for a decent amount of time, including merely just submitting fraudulent documents in a court (even if it happens to be a civil, rather than criminal proceeding), but it seems that either courts have become more whimpy or maybe the threshold for locking up someone like him is a bit higher than I am estimating it to be. So, sure, I could see Craig fucktwat getting locked up, but, like you, I have doubts about how likely something like that would be - or is it just merely wishful thinking that we might be able to remove some obvious fraud scammers from the public space for a meaningful amount of time that might either allow them to learn a lesson (seems doubtful) or at least protect society for a while. in the good ole days courts were used for real cases of trying to find truth. where there were 2 people on opposite sides. but when both craig and ira are on the other side and IRA is not calling out all of craigs BS and is continually playing along with craigs game that tulip has value and try to get the judge to believe it enough that whomever wins they both win.. its not going to turn into any jailtime. if things get too hairy. one side will just drop the case. and then repeat elsewhere. certain people in this topic know craigs a fraud but cant grasp the fact that ira is actually playing on team craig. and they are just pre-game sparring partners. try to ask yourself when the real questions and evidence is so abundantly clear. why ira is not using it. asking it this whole civil case is just a delay drama piece. a sham case. the real court case would have to be another court case, with real questions asked and real punishments on the table. current case is not about ira vs craig its about trying to validate tulip by deception Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 16, 2020, 10:04:49 PM [edited out] certain people in this topic know craigs a fraud but cant grasp the fact that ira is actually playing on team craig. and they are just pre-game sparring partners. You are just unnecessarily striving to convolute matters when you are trying to suggest that level of conspiracy or purported cooperation. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vatimins on June 17, 2020, 04:11:49 PM Lol. This is the first time I have heard such a big fraud in the crypto currency industry. I really am surprised that there really are some people with this much guts to fool a lot of people in a large scale and even toying with the authorities or the court. This is quite scary and also funny at the same time. I just hope no one follows this dumb example tho, because not only will they surely end up the way this guy did, but also put a lot of other people in unnecessary trouble/hassle.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on June 20, 2020, 08:53:40 AM More weekend fun coming from mister Wright, after reading publication of Gavin Andresen depositions. ;D
Faketoshi asking for a job at Bitcoin Foundation... https://i.imgur.com/POVmp6X.png Kleiman v. Wright Document #590, Attachment #5 https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/590/5/kleiman-v-wright/ Document #590, Attachment #6 https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/590/6/kleiman-v-wright/ And more stuff: https://i.imgur.com/SUmW3HP.png https://i.imgur.com/ax5fbxA.png https://i.imgur.com/1ENFHxa.png https://i.imgur.com/Q9KMYb3.png https://i.imgur.com/djRvWQI.png https://i.imgur.com/euI87WM.png https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/1274276367262081024 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 23, 2020, 08:14:12 PM You are just unnecessarily striving to convolute matters when you are trying to suggest that level of conspiracy or purported cooperation. when you actually read the conversations of both sides in court. you do not read it as ira trying to 'out' craig by showing proof craig is a scammer. the questions asked are hinting that the trust/craig does have value/ hoards and that its just bickering over who deserves what % emphasis.. nothing to do with proving craig is not satoshi/unvalued do not think that this case is the final/only case that will occur. and definetly dont think it will be the one that 'outs' craig as a scammer. if you are thinking this is the final chapter in craigs saga. then i must spoil it for you. ira and craigs goal is not to prove if tulip is truly real with real signature proof of collateral. instead its frenemy bickering to try to make it appear that there is no way to disprove tulip/craig value. but hey.. i know we all want it to be the final nail in craig coffin.. but the bad news is. this is not the case for that. heck its not even a criminal case. so kind of no harm no fowl for craig. craigs true nail in the coffin will come from another case at another time. this case is just drama incepted by his ilk Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 23, 2020, 09:28:16 PM You are just unnecessarily striving to convolute matters when you are trying to suggest that level of conspiracy or purported cooperation. when you actually read the conversations of both sides in court. you do not read it as ira trying to 'out' craig by showing proof craig is a scammer. the questions asked are hinting that the trust/craig does have value/ hoards and that its just bickering over who deserves what % emphasis.. nothing to do with proving craig is not satoshi/unvalued Perhaps you have been watching too much TV. Courts do not tend to be theatre locations, and frequently, the court will have the parties meet on a narrow topic, or even discuss settlement options, so they are not necessarily going to go over the whole theory and/or punchlines of their positions. They have not even gotten to trial yet. do not think that this case is the final/only case that will occur. and definetly dont think it will be the one that 'outs' craig as a scammer. Sure. Craig continues to dig all kinds of holes for himself maybe believing that attention or possible resolution in one direction or another can help him in another matter, or just to pump his crap scam coin and play off of the gullibilities of dumb fuck BSV bagholders. if you are thinking this is the final chapter in craigs saga. then i must spoil it for you. I don't give that many shits either way... so you do not have to worry about spoiling anything for me with your prognosticating.. that has already been shown to be a bit lame in terms of either facts backing it up or reasonable logic to try to tie together materiality and relevance. ira and craigs goal is not to prove if tulip is truly real with real signature proof of collateral. To the extent that they might have mutual goals they can enter stipulations of facts or even stipulations of legal conclusion or even stipulations that are merely for the purpose of "this proceeding" blah blah blah. I doubt that you understand their mutual goals, to the extent that they have any since you are already striving to establish that they are largely on the same team.. which hardly makes any sense, unless you are just selectively choosing certain evidence (that might not even be relevant) and ignoring other evidence. instead its frenemy bickering to try to make it appear that there is no way to disprove tulip/craig value. I doubt it. Sometimes lawyers do get along well for the purpose of getting through various proceedings, whether dispositions or evidentiary trials or discussing motions in front of a judge.. does not mean that they are frenemies... what a load of crap... just making shit up, right franky1? but hey.. i know we all want it to be the final nail in craig coffin.. but the bad news is. this is not the case for that. Largely an irrelevant point about what people might prefer in terms of disliking that twat. heck its not even a criminal case. so kind of no harm no fowl for craig. Of course, not being a criminal case has some relevance and would allow more leeway in terms of how egregious the perjury and/or the submitting of knowingly false documents would need to be before criminal charges might be brought. There may be a bit of a goal of the civil court judge(s) to get through the proceedings before raising criminal charges, in the event that criminal charges might be warranted. craigs true nail in the coffin will come from another case at another time. this case is just drama incepted by his ilk Sure. that's possible. Still does not mean that you are not full of shit with your lack of evidence/logic assertion that the parties are on the same team. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 24, 2020, 02:08:36 AM seems your lacking actually looking at the case with a clear independant mind
and instead trying to point things in my direction with your own opinions all in all this case is going to be more meaningless drama without actually ending CSW game. funny part juan, is that your weird way of trying to discredit what i say. is actually what validates CSW game the court case is set up not by some judge deciding to grab CSW and put him in court. but instead a case set up by CSW and ira for them to bicker on their 'narrow scope topic' courts actually are very much the theatre for many people its used many times as arbitration to settle an argument between 2 different positions even if both positions are wrong outside. on the inside all the courts do is weigh favour in one direction or the other anyway ever heard of patent trolls using courts to scam settlements for stupid flimsy patents just by letting it take years to really 'fight' ever heard of the 'ambulance chasers' that use courts to get compensated for the smallest of 'incidents' ever heard of cases where the aim is to keep people wrapped up in litigation for so long they give up fighting ever heard of .. well i could go on with many civil cases that are just a waste of a good judges time here is the thing. if ira accepts a certain narative and claims that he agree's to it. the judge doesnt jump in and says 'its all a lie, take CSW to prison', instead the judge simply says case win is in favour of X and this whole case.. on both sides is saying that tulip has value. thats its 'narrow topic' both sides are saying tulip is valid. rest of the world outside the court knows its not. but that does not matter inside the courtroom the judge did not introduce the topic. and many people in this very topic and other CSW related topics think that the judge is all powerful and the judge will ask all the right questions and find that CSW has purjured himself. sorry it doesnt work that way. and by ira not calling it out because its ira that holds the supposed case opposition, not the judge. then CSW is not going to get called out on it. just read the case and actually ask yourself knowing the real facts of the public keys list CSW has not being a 'satoshi stash', with the fact that no private key proof was found. and all the other lame excuses. ask yourself how many oppertunities has ira's side had to call CSW out.. and just not done it the narrative, the scope the 'narrow topic' was set up between ira and CSW long before the case was even filed. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 24, 2020, 03:32:09 AM seems your lacking actually looking at the case with a clear independant mind and instead trying to point things in my direction with your own opinions all in all this case is going to be more meaningless drama without actually ending CSW game. funny part juan, is that your weird way of trying to discredit what i say. is actually what validates CSW game the court case is set up not by some judge deciding to grab CSW and put him in court. but instead a case set up by CSW and ira for them to bicker on their 'narrow scope topic' courts actually are very much the theatre for many people its used many times as arbitration to settle an argument between 2 different positions even if both positions are wrong outside. on the inside all the courts do is weigh favour in one direction or the other anyway ever heard of patent trolls using courts to scam settlements for stupid flimsy patents just by letting it take years to really 'fight' ever heard of the 'ambulance chasers' that use courts to get compensated for the smallest of 'incidents' ever heard of cases where the aim is to keep people wrapped up in litigation for so long they give up fighting ever heard of .. well i could go on with many civil cases that are just a waste of a good judges time here is the thing. if ira accepts a certain narative and claims that he agree's to it. the judge doesnt jump in and says 'its all a lie, take CSW to prison', instead the judge simply says case win is in favour of X and this whole case.. on both sides is saying that tulip has value. thats its 'narrow topic' both sides are saying tulip is valid. rest of the world outside the court knows its not. but that does not matter inside the courtroom the judge did not introduce the topic. and many people in this very topic and other CSW related topics think that the judge is all powerful and the judge will ask all the right questions and find that CSW has purjured himself. sorry it doesnt work that way. and by ira not calling it out because its ira that holds the supposed case opposition, not the judge. then CSW is not going to get called out on it. just read the case and actually ask yourself knowing the real facts of the public keys list CSW has not being a 'satoshi stash', with the fact that no private key proof was found. and all the other lame excuses. ask yourself how many oppertunities has ira's side had to call CSW out.. and just not done it the narrative, the scope the 'narrow topic' was set up between ira and CSW long before the case was even filed. I don't see any need for me to respond to each detail of your continued bullshit, and you are reading me quite wrong if you believe that I am trying to discredit you. I am not. Largely, I have been asserting, right from the start, that you made some bullshit claims that you did not back up, and I provided some examples to describe why you did not sufficiently back up your bullshit claims. That does not mean that I have some kind of burden to study more in order to provide better examples, and sure you can disagree with me and proclaim that you have provided enough evidence and logic and blah blah blah. I disagree, and we can agree to disagree in regards to the various points that I had already made, and I am not conceding to agreeing with your points to the contrary or even your assertion that you know relevant or meaningful parts of the case that I do not. If they are relevant and material to your making your claim, then show them.. sure you have tried, but seems to me that your facts and your argument continues to be weak in supporting your conclusion, no matter how much you continue to repeat it. Sure, any civil litigant is going to come into a case with some kind of presumption that they are able to get paid (the plaintiff is Ira in this case, and surely their team considered whether they believe that they can get paid), even if they cannot prevail in the overall case they want to get paid for their time and their costs, and of course, they do not want to be accused of bringing a frivolous case. Anyhow, plaintiff does need to feel that there is some ability for them to collect their costs (and a chance at collecting all or most of their requested damages). Ira has already received some judgements for costs (related to craig's abuse of process behaviors). Of course, you continue to stick to your position, which continues to come off as if you are pre-deciding that the parties are conspiring with each other, and without getting drug too much more into the weeds, I don't want to go into all the bullshit details with you. You are the one with the burden to show your various bullshit assertions when you make them, and you have not been successful in supporting your claim.. I don't have any duty to further research about a claim that you have not shown... but of course, you can continue to repeat your claims and all over the place evidence that defies logic until you are blue in the face... I am just not going there into lalala fantasylandia with you. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 24, 2020, 04:17:06 AM just for fun and kicks, i went and re read like the first 115 pages of
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/590/5/kleiman-v-wright/ just to see if i missed something that juan noticed.. and my opinion remains the first 80 or so pages are just waffle then at like page 88 it talks about the 'signing proof' but doesnt really ask the questions of if the signature was fake. just has a litle subtle hint of saying possibly bamboozled it vaguely suggests that its asking could CSW have had private keys. but it just doesnt even bother to go into detail about the proof being valid in the first place. it just lacks digging that hole. even after wasting 88 pages of nensense before it didnt ask the kind of questions that the community would expect then the next dozen+ pages jumps straight into who was involved in the trust. the tri-party ownders of the trust to me it doesnt really look like kleiman side is trying to catch CSW as a fraud with no collateral. but trying to ascertain if craig does have access to the funds to pay out and who were the 'partners' deserving of it in short kleimans side is not denouncing the validity of the tulip trust, but instead trying to show proof CSW has access and daves estate deserves funding not much digging was done into the 'bamboozle" statements. it just kept jumping to the tri-party ownership of the trust Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 24, 2020, 05:08:54 AM just for fun and kicks, i went and re read like the first 115 pages of https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/590/5/kleiman-v-wright/ just to see if i missed something that juan noticed.. and my opinion remains the first 80 or so pages are just waffle then at like page 88 it talks about the 'signing proof' but doesnt really ask the questions of if the signature was fake. just has a litle subtle hint of saying possibly bamboozled it vaguely suggests that its asking could CSW have had private keys. but it just doesnt even bother to go into detail about the proof being valid in the first place. it just lacks digging that hole. even after wasting 88 pages of nensense before it didnt ask the kind of questions that the community would expect then the next dozen+ pages jumps straight into who was involved in the trust. the tri-party ownders of the trust to me it doesnt really look like kleiman side is trying to catch CSW as a fraud with no collateral. but trying to ascertain if craig does have access to the funds to pay out and who were the 'partners' deserving of it in short kleimans side is not denouncing the validity of the tulip trust, but instead trying to show proof CSW has access and daves estate deserves funding not much digging was done into the 'bamboozle" statements. it just kept jumping to the tri-party ownership of the trust Do you even understand what the fuck you are reading, how much weight to give it, how much weight the parties are giving to it, how depositions are used in court proceedings, preparations and/or even latitude to explore topics? You linked one deposition of one witness, Gavin Andressen, and have you even put that one portion of a document that you read into context? Are there other depositions from the same witness on the same topic or different topics? Are there documents that describe limitations on issues or scope of allowance that might not even be raised in the process of taking the deposition? Evidence gathering, which may or may not reflect the overall proceedings or even the overall information that a witness might later be called to testified, if called to testify at all. or maybe they will decide to stipulate portions of the deposition testimony or even a variety of issues that might make some or all of the deposition totally superfluous because it does not get presented to a judge or jury. Your assertion that you studied a portion of one document hardly even coming close to address some of my earlier points about your failure/refusal to substantiate your earlier lame ass collusion claims and to get caught up into likely irrelevance or even swimming in fact gathering that has not even been put into context until you see motions or briefings of attorneys (and that might not even be clear unless you understand the procedural posture.. and even account for both parties describing the procedural posture and issues and perhaps getting rulings from the judge, if warranted.. and sometimes there might be a preliminary steps judge, a settlement judge and a trial judge), so how much would a portion of the testimony of one witness tell us about the extent to which the parties might be colluding in a case that has already generated hundreds of other court documents and has even changed its procedural posture a few times. Yeah, you say that they might not be adequately exploring certain topics with certain witnesses by why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? Also, sometimes in depositions parties will hardly argue about anything. You know why? Because they are trying NOT to pollute the witness's testimony in terms of various issues that are being presented in the case, so sometimes they might even purposefully mislead the witness in a variety of ways because the goal is to get evidence from the witness and from the witness's perspective, many times neither party will want the witness to be couching their answers in terms of small legal issues or even larger issues of the case... instead, what did you believe at time x, not what did you believe based on what is being prosecuted or potentially prosecuted in this case or how your testimony might be used for or against one party or another or stipulated to something that both parties agree to (but you, as witness, might not agree). If you are proclaiming to be thoroughly familiar with this case you better be aware of a lot more documents than just part of one document that may or may not be relevant at all to the point that you had already proclaimed. How many of the court documents have you read? Do you even understand what you are reading, especially if you are trying to use the deposition of one witness as some kind of meaningful proof beyond what that one witness says about a specific topic at that particular time when the questions are framed in that particular way. I feel that I am caught in the allegory of the caves, even though some people may have seen the light but you are not even aware of the light because you are down in the cave attempting to find meaning regarding the world from the movement of some shadows on the wall. :D :D :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on June 24, 2020, 10:55:20 AM This is more confusing as many drama series!
An interesting statement, right in our blockchain ;D: 1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 24, 2020, 11:07:39 AM Do you even understand what the fuck you are reading, how much weight to give it, how much weight the parties are giving to it, how depositions are used in court proceedings, preparations and/or even latitude to explore topics? You linked one deposition of one witness, Gavin Andressen, and have you even put that one portion of a document that you read into context? Are there other depositions from the same witness on the same topic or different topics? Are there documents that describe limitations on issues or scope of allowance that might not even be raised in the process of taking the deposition? Your assertion that you studied a portion of one document hardly even coming close to address some of my earlier points about your failure/refusal to substantiate your earlier lame ass collusion claims and to get caught up into likely irrelevance or even swimming in fact gathering that has not even been put into context until you see motions or briefings of attorneys (and that might not even be clear unless you understand the procedural posture.. and even account for both parties describing the procedural posture and issues and perhaps getting rulings from the judge, if warranted.. and sometimes there might be a preliminary steps judge, a settlement judge and a trial judge), so how much would a portion of the testimony of one witness tell us about the extent to which the parties might be colluding in a case that has already generated hundreds of other court documents and has even changed its procedural posture a few times. Yeah, you say that they might not be adequately exploring certain topics with certain witnesses by why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? try to read it. and take your stupid hat off and put on a hat that says "i dont care about gavins testimony, what tone/line of questioning is iRA's defense side displaying in this document' as you say instead of going into gavins FACTUAL account of the signing process, they skip alot of things that the community think should have been asked. and instead jump straight to asking about the tri-party trust owners. several times i do see a glimer of possible awakedness from you because you even asked 'why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? ' so keep that exact mindset you had when you said that, in mind. again its not one portion of gavins testimony you need to be concentrating on. again for emphasis because after many many posts you seem to remain unsure of the point. its about IRA's defense teams method of questioning that you need to really understand. i was saying about how ira and CSW are playing a game of trying to keep the trust as valid valued and contracted in reality for a game that is of CSW benefit. i said how ira's defense team were not even trying to deeply explore the possibility that CSW has never had any collateral in a trust(a thing the community want proven) so while you cry like a baby about gavins responses. atleast take another read but from the prospective of the defense teams questioning. all along ira's defense team have not been seeking to call out CSW as a fraud in terms of never having collateral. but instead subtly trying to validate the collateral and make it just game of who owns it but hey.. you can throw your hands around and get angry that im calling this whole case is meaningless drama that wont result in csw demise. and instead just used to delay things so CSW can escape a tax bill and escape his 'money men' from chasing him.. but a real actual court case that will see to CSW demise will have to come from a different case with a different party making a court claim against CSW by the way. i had read many documents and stuff. i am not as niave as you think but over the years i have noticed how many others 'dont see the need to go through every detail of bullshit' so pointing out more details would just make them(you) more angry, and just miss the point entirely.. as shown in the last few posts where you keep trying to redirect to to sound like im talking about gavin. when the reality all along is im talking about the defense teams questioning so instead of arguing with me on a forum. take that spare time and actually look into IRA's defense teams methods. because its clear that some people get too defensive if not spoonfed the answers from a party they like and too defensive if spoonfed too much from a party they dont like.. instead they attack the messenger instead of just reading the message so the only solution is to do your own friggen research. because your just wasting time trying to get answer from me because you seem to instantly ignore it before exploring it when im the one saying it. so go check for yourself using the 'critical thinking cap' on iras defense team. dont go blowing it into drama of gavin or me or others people. concentrate, for once on the defense teams questioning. just ask your self and keep in mind couple paragraphs about proof session validity. but dozens upon dozens of pages asking about the trust and its parties involved. ask yourself what 'evidence' are they trying to achieve. what aspects are they trying to avoid Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheArchaeologist on June 24, 2020, 11:30:56 AM An interesting statement, right in our blockchain ;D: Well, since the address is never funded it is *not* in the blockchain!1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com) edit: thanks to SiNeReiNZzz it is funded now.. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on June 24, 2020, 12:23:50 PM 1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com) I will do this as soon as I get home from work!Nevertheless I think it's funny... If it denounces Craig S. Wright, it's always good! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 24, 2020, 01:22:33 PM research Seems like it doesn't matter what the subject is, the only possible explanation for someone arriving at a conclusion that differs to yours is that they haven't "researched" as much as you have. And it's beyond clear by this point that when you say "research" what you actually mean is you let your imagination run wild and filled in any blanks with the first thought that pops into your head. It doesn't matter how long anyone spends looking into any given subject, you've clearly made your mind up and will never back down regardless of how much evidence is presented that you are merely a loudmouth with an overactive imagination. What is it you even hope to accomplish when you engage with other people if you're never willing to see things from any other perspective aside from fantasy? Learn how to people plz. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on June 24, 2020, 01:40:21 PM An interesting statement, right in our blockchain ;D: Well, since the address is never funded it is *not* in the blockchain!1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com) Now the adress is definitely in our blockchain forever... ;D /edit: Thank you @nutildah, @TheArchaeologist and all others who also send some to me, for the +Merits!!! <3 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Apocalipsa on June 24, 2020, 05:07:19 PM This is more confusing as many drama series! An interesting statement, right in our blockchain ;D: 1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com) Ye, seems like a lot of effort for nothing. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 24, 2020, 06:08:28 PM research Seems like it doesn't matter what the subject is, the only possible explanation for someone arriving at a conclusion that differs to yours is that they haven't "researched" as much as you have. And it's beyond clear by this point that when you say "research" what you actually mean is you let your imagination run wild and filled in any blanks with the first thought that pops into your head. It doesn't matter how long anyone spends looking into any given subject, you've clearly made your mind up and will never back down regardless of how much evidence is presented that you are merely a loudmouth with an overactive imagination. What is it you even hope to accomplish when you engage with other people if you're never willing to see things from any other perspective aside from fantasy? Learn how to people plz. there is a clear difference between seeing beyond the spoonfed opinion presented(me). and following someone else just to make them happy(you) i do find it funny how you dislike me most because i dont kiss ass and dont toe the party line that certain devs are gods. meanwhile idiots like doomad wont even bother to even investigate, read documents, question things. doomad has been shown many times to just blindly go with the flow with an opinion of some influencer/dev simply because of their status and that another person already agree's. its kind of like how cults indocrine people, same psy-ops tactics many times he has just been a repeater/follower. i have never really seen doomad have an independant thought. and when asking him to actually look into something he just wants to make personal attacks and excuses of how the personal reason he has against someone is reason enough to not even look into the actual topic. even when the topic was created by someone he is not presently personally attacking. yep doomad your mindset right now is not to research the tulip trust because 'franky1 wrong' you have no intention to research it for your own independant opinion because a dev and group of friends you have have handed you the opinion you should have. like other notable topics of the past and then when someone personal attacks you, you act like a child pretending to be the victim. further distracting from the initial point made, calling in all your buddies to back you up and gang stalk the person who has a difference stance than doomads flock (awaits windfury to jump into the topic to defend doomad(as usual)) so doomad instead of hitting the reply button to respond to me. stop right there. dont get tempted. just stop. take a breath instead just go look at how many paragraphs involved questioning the 'proof session' and how many paragraphs was asking about people involved in the tri-party trust and CSW's 'money guys' juan kind of had a slight open minded thought to ask the question why would iras defense even ask gavin about the trust. so he seems to be one step ahead. but not yet at the answer then stick to replying only about the topic of the tulip trust. which is this topic remember this is a tulip trust topic not a franky1 topic. stick to talking about those involved with the topic stop being an idiot trying to poke the bear of personal attacks. and stop then replying when you get attacked that your somehow the victim. be a grown up. dont reply with personal attacks. try to use your time to actually look at a topic you decide to read and post in so making it really clear this topic is about the tulip trust. so spend time talking about the tulip trust. any further personal attack is just a waste of your own time and making you look more foolish because your only thought in every topic is to personal attack people that dont follow you and your influencers thoughts. sorry but we need less sheep and more people to actually use their independant minds and finally grow up Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 24, 2020, 07:46:17 PM there is a clear difference between seeing beyond the spoonfed opinion presented(me). and following someone else just to make them happy(you) There is also a clear difference between speculation and confirmation. You seem more than happy to treat them as the same thing. If you can hypothesise an outcome, suddenly that's the only viable outcome and you believe anyone who disagrees is a sheep who isn't thinking for themselves. Apparently we all just have to accept that your brain is wired like that and can't function any other way. Just so you know, flat-earthers and anti-vaxers also like to think they're seeing beyond the spoon-fed opinions. Doesn't make them any less wrong, though. try to use your time to actually look at a topic you decide to read and post in so making it really clear this topic is about the tulip trust. so spend time talking about the tulip trust. Cool, I'll do it in a manner you'd approve of: Kleiman gains little from proving that Wright doesn't have access to a vast wealth of Bitcoin. It's in the Kleiman family's financial interest for the court to rule that Wright is exceedingly wealthy and needs to pay a portion of their estate to the Kleiman family. This would indicate they are not, in fact, working together. I've hypothesised that by "running scenarios" and if you disagree, it means you aren't "thinking for yourself" and haven't done enough "research". Am I doin it rite? Just make up any load of old bollocks and them claim the other person is at fault for not seeing the genius of it? franky1 will never change. You don't need to point out that he is disconnected from reality. You can't win. Letting him have the last word is the only way out. He can definitely have the last word, I just like to have a few in the middle to highlight that his last word is equally lacking in credibility as his first. :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on June 24, 2020, 09:29:10 PM You consider it as "nothing", that's okay, because it's your opinion!
I think it's funny, though. And i mean, some others too! It's a good way to enjoy fun round about the main topic here... One person likes it, the other doesn't... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 25, 2020, 12:01:45 PM seems a certain few people above cant think for themselves
havnt bothered even reading the filings and jst relying on social drama teams of buddies as their opinion givers. the only response is to not even bother trying to think for themselves but instead just argue with people that say anything different from their collective. maybe one day. just once they will break away from their buddy group. maybe just maybe stop just taking the word of their buddies. and instead just have an independant thought for once and fnally go actually read the documents even just for their own personal interest sake. maybe its cultish mindset. or maybe its just lazy mindedness to just follow their friends blindly.. who knows but since i first psted my stance. it has been many many many days. and in that time those ignorant people have failed to even look at the documents. and instead took the stance to avoid looking at the documents simply by using me as the reason to avoid actually looking. i did not write the documents. so its real funny that i should be the reason they avoid looking at them. even funnier that they fear even the notion that there is a possibility thats outside their friends opinion. but most funny is that they donot even have the bravery to even want to seek an unbiased/indpendant opinion. but hey while discussing this topic of the last many days ira requested a default judged that would have validated that the tuli trust was a triparty trust between CSW and kleiman. and wrote it in a way that would have avoided any criminal actions against CSW by keeping it as civil and avoid any trial (oops.. guess you didnt get that far.. or trying to find stupid ways to make it sound like it is the justice your friends tell you it is) its real funny. people think this case is a international battle of oppositions. yet reality is its a friendly game of tennis where ira is getting paid to just turn up to the court and play against CSW. WHY because CSW and IRA know .. and yes the whole bitcoin community know the tulip trust is empty of value.. but CSW guarantee's he will pay IRA for playing CSW's game of tennis .. now all you silly little people trying to kiss ass with certain influencers. dont even bother replying.. just go read the documents i promise i did not create them. so just stop using me as the excuse to not read them go do some unbiased independant thinking i gave one example before. that there was not much 'questioning about the proof. but alot of questioning about ascertaining the trusts ownership have a nice year this case is just empty drama with no nail in CSW coffin here is just one little tid-bit of thought you really should keep in mind smart people know there is no tulip trust of value. so dont in anyway think that this line of questioning of trying to validate the trust one way or the the other will be any justice for anyone Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 25, 2020, 12:41:24 PM seems a certain few people above cant think for themselves havnt bothered even reading the filings and jst relying on social drama teams of buddies as their opinion givers. I've read more of the filings than just about anybody on this forum (there is 1 exception that I am aware of and he/she hasn't commented in this thread) and I've definitely read more of the filings than you, which is why I can say with certainty you are wrong. The attorneys for the plaintiff only believe a Tulip Trust exists because Craig said that it did, but given Craig's propensity for lying about everything, they are willing to consider its existence debatable. Judge Reinhart believes Craig lied about the existence of the trust, and the plaintiffs don't necessarily disagree with him. From a May 22nd document (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf) filed by the plaintiffs: Quote Judge Reinhart found Wright had “intentionally submitted fraudulent documents to the Court, obstructed a judicial proceeding, and gave perjurious testimony.” ECF No. [277], at 28. He found “clear and convincing evidence” to support these findings. Id. at n.11, n14. He also found "Wright’s testimony that this Trust exists was intentionally false" and “part of a sustained and concerted effort to impede discovery into his bitcoin holdings.” Id. at 21. He found “clear and convincing evidence” demonstrated that “no such [Shamir encrypted] file exists” and that Wright’s testimony it did was “intentionally false.” Finally, he found a “strong, and unrebutted, circumstantial inference that Dr. Wright willfully created the fraudulent documents.” Id. at 21. Judge Reinhart then imposed sanctions under Fed. R. Civ. P 37 deeming the following facts established: that Wright and David Kleiman entered into a 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual property and mine bitcoin; that any bitcoin mined or IP developed prior to David Kleiman’s death was property of the partnership, and that Plaintiffs retained an ownership interest in the Partnership’s bitcoin and any assets traceable to them. Id. Judge Reinhart found “clear and convincing evidence that Dr. Wright’s non-compliance with the Court’s Orders is willful and in bad faith, that Plaintiffs have been prejudiced, and (particularly given the extended pattern of noncompliance and its egregiousness) a lesser sanction is not adequate to punish or to ensure future compliance with the Court’s Orders.” Quote After Wright’s May 8, 2019 declaration affirmed that he’d mined bitcoin “during the years 2009 and 2010 . . . directly into a trust . . . located in Panama” (ECF No. [222], ¶4; [373], at 6), Plaintiffs began building their case around these sworn representations. To that end, they identified an August 11, 2014 ATO transcript (Ex. 13, at DEF_00068671) where Wright told the ATO he had mined bitcoin with Dave into a Panama trust. But ten months later, when asked at deposition “Did you ever mine Bitcoin into a Panama trust?” Wright responded with “No, I did not mine Bitcoin into a Panama trust.” Ex. 3, at 104:8-11. The examples above are just some of the ways Wright’s lies, forgeries, and deceptions have obstructed Plaintiffs ability to discover the scope and extent of the Satoshi Nakamoto Partnership. This obfuscation is particularly egregious as Defendant has moved for summary judgment on the ground that the terms of the partnership are too “vague.” Quote The sheer implausibility of the Tulip Trust III document, its supposed express condition to keep the document from Wright until December 2019, and the fact that it was produced with no metadata, all pointed to it being a recent forgery. What conclusively proves the fraud, however, is that the Trust claims to have been executed on July 7, 2017 and lists “JBruk Ltd (UK) (10859457)” as one of its assets. Ex. 14, at DEFHC_01518393. But JBruk Ltd wasn’t incorporated until July 11, 2017. Ex. 15. Thus, Tulip Trust III could not have been executed on July 7 since neither JBruk nor the corporate number assigned to it would have existed yet. TL;DR: The plaintiffs think the Tulip Trust is a sham. ira requested a default judged that would have validated that the tuli trust was a triparty trust between CSW and kleiman. and wrote it in a way that would have avoided any criminal actions against CSW by keeping it as civil and avoid any trial That's not at all what a default judgment would have meant. A default judgment would mean that Craig made it impossible for a fair trial to be conducted -- it has nothing to do with whether or not the Tulip Trust actually exists. Additionally, criminal charges against Wright were never on the table. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: vapourminer on June 25, 2020, 12:43:43 PM Additionally, criminal charges against Wright were never on the table. thats for the next game of 4d chess apparently. yay for us. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 25, 2020, 01:18:53 PM TL;DR: The plaintiffs think the Tulip Trust is a sham. Additionally, criminal charges against Wright were never on the table. 1. i read more then you think and even in the extracts you produce only allude to CSW's frauds of signing notary on behalf of supposedly dave. and other fraudulent documents. but IRA's team still remain with the mindset that CSW has the satoshi stash of privkeys elsewhere and dave still had some involvement in bitcoins creation 'the satoshi partnership' 2. i never said it was criminal .. its the other idiots that think this case is the nail in the coffin case for CSW. many times i have tried to point out to idiots that nothing good will come from this case. and its all just posturing and social drama trying to win favour of validating the 'satoshi partnership' because CSW needs to still allude to a fact that some where somehow there 'may' be a large stash of coins. but keep in question who owns it. both to keep his money men interested that there are coins. and keep the ATO off his back by questioning who owns them 3. ira's teams is not now claiming that CSW fraudulently made dave a scape goat of a scam that never had value. but instead craig had a partnership but is refusing to hand over evidence/avoid helping discovery and hiding funds. 4. patent trolls and ambulance chasers dont actually seek a real justice final verdict. they prefer settlements or cases to be dismissed or default judgements that have the slither of vindication that can work in a patent trolls favour for future cases. this case where both ira and CSW are both trying to validate the trust. by only arguing who's involved where the only debate is CSW lack of handing over evidence. still works in CSW favour. the next stage is that tulip doesnt exist. but hidden away is the 'stash' and the 'tri party satoshi partnership' is still at play.. as thats the obvious next step for scammer CSW to play to keep his head above water and keep the ATO off his back but in short yet again ill say it. this case wont be the final nail in the CSW drama. sorry folks. this is not the final movie. this is the prequal to a whole movie series that wont end in CSW imprisonment the way things are playing out so far Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 25, 2020, 01:24:09 PM TL;DR: The plaintiffs think the Tulip Trust is a sham. Additionally, criminal charges against Wright were never on the table. 1. i read more then you think and even in the extracts you produce only allude to CSW's frauds of signing notary on behalf of supposedly dave. and other fraudulent documents. No, that's not what the extracts I produced allude to at all. I don't think you even read them. this case where both ira and CSW are both trying to validate the trust. by only arguing who's involved where the only debate is CSW lack of handing over evidence. still works in CSW favour. I don't know how you can keep repeating this when I just debunked this falsehood. Nobody thinks the Tulip Trust exists except for Craig, his lawyers, and BSV fanbois. Ira's lawyers think its a smokescreen for hiding where the real loot is at. At least we can agree that there is no real loot. You need to bring some evidence to the table that supports your assertion otherwise its just another groundless conspiracy. Just mindlessly repeating it as reality does not make it so. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 25, 2020, 01:30:03 PM even very recently ira's team are still trying to get evidence about the 'satoshi partnership'
have a nice year if they had any thought that absolutely nothing happened between daves and CSW involving bitcoin. then they would not be pursuing that line of investigation and instead filing for other causes. yet they continue playing the CSW game that there was a partnership and CSW is just being elusive about it yes we in the community know that its all a fraud and CSW didnt even have anything to do with bitcoin in atleast the first 5 years.. but thats not whats playing out in the case stop using the mindset of hope that CSW gets caught out in this case and reading into it under that pretense. instead read it as is. and actually take a step back, remove all bias and actually see things as they are. too many people have too much emotion when they read things that they concentrate on certain extracts and sway the summary of the extract into one that makes it look like its going to end in CSW fall.. but this is just a tennis game where ira and CSw want to keep the vaguest of hints that there is/was a satoshi partnership. heres one example where your reading it as if its IRA saying its all a fraud in your tl:dr; summary Quote when asked at deposition “Did you ever mine Bitcoin into a Panama trust?” Wright responded with “No, I did not mine Bitcoin into a Panama trust.” Ex. 3, at 104:8-11. The examples above are just some of the ways Wright’s lies, forgeries, and deceptions have obstructed Plaintiffs ability to discover the scope and extent of the Satoshi Nakamoto Partnership. This obfuscation is particularly egregious as Defendant has moved for summary judgment on the ground that the terms of the partnership are too “vague.” the actual wording is that CSW is hinting that he didnt mine them into a trust.. [.. leaving more delay tactics that he minded them elsewhere] and the response is that it hinders ira from getting evidence of the partnership .. obviously we all know there was no partnership, however ifIRA beleived that there was no partnership. then why are they still suggesting that CSW is obstructing IRA ability to discover the scope/extent of the partnership .. ill word it this way. imagine me and a friend said that lizard people are amungst us (reality check no they are not) but me and friend keep arguing they do exist but one party refuses to hand over evidence. if one of us was saying lizard people dont exist. then there would be no need to pursue that line of evidence gathering because they'd know there is no evidence to gather because it never existed. but by continuing that line. they are not calling it out as a lie. but as a elusiveness of failing to provide proof of lizard people.. which works in CSW favour Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 25, 2020, 01:40:54 PM too many people have too much emotion when they read things that they concentrate on certain extracts and sway the summary of the extract into one that makes it look like its going to end in CSW fall.. but this is just a tennis game where ira and CSw want to keep the vaguest of hints that there is/was a satoshi partnership. Sigh. I tried my hardest and you still learned nothing. You didn't even concede that you had no idea what a "default judgment" is. Its not about making it look like he's going to fall -- its about debunking your theory that Ira's lawyers believe there's a Tulip Trust. They're obviously not on the same team. You have no evidence to support your conspiracy that they are. I'm sticking you back on ignore as I've had more enlightening discussions with brick walls. I don't remember why I took you off in the first place. What a waste of time. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 25, 2020, 01:47:04 PM see what i mean. instead of opening your mind to the topic .. you went straight to poking at me..
maybe best you put me on ignore. then you might have actual time to actually look at the case from a different prospective. but hey. IRA's team still trying to get evidence of the 'satoshi partnership' so they are still thinking that there is something yes we in the community know there is nothing. but IRA is not asking them types of questions or coming to them conclusions. funny part is while poking at me your not poking at why IRA's team are not asking the obvious questions the community know should be asked. and why ira's team isnt actually coming to the obvious conclusion so spend your time poking at the case. rather than forum people that have a different stance to you From a May 22nd document (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf) filed by the plaintiffs: oh by the way.. did you read it background (i summarised) i. CSw acts like an idiot ii. csw acts like an idiot iii. csw acts like an idiot iv. WRIGHT HAS THE ABILITY TO OPEN THE ENCRYPTED FILE,BUT WON’T BECAUSE IT WILL CONTAIN EVIDENCE OF THE PARTNERSHIP AND ITS BITCOIN HOLDINGS v. csw act like an idiot argument(summarised) CSW is hiding the partnership and coins and playing the village idiot, being elusive /obstructing the court procedure ... oh look IRA still thinks that there are coins and there was a partnership. and that was only last month if IRA thought it all fake and no partnership and no coins.. then point iv wouldnt be a point why isnt the argument that CSW is a pennyless fraud that he never had any holdings in the first 5 years hmm? . ok try this method of maybe cracking the shell you got stuck in if you were IRA for the last two years. would you have pursued this exact same path of questioning. and made the same arguments and contained the same background debates. . im not asking you to be actually ira. im asking you to be a community member that knows all the real facts. and then ask yourself why oh why isnt ira asking the real questions that have been obvious and public since atleast 2016 if idiots are still unsure.. and think IRA's team suddenly had an epiphany in the last 3 weeks that now shows them to not be playing CSW's game well just within the last couple of days this is IRA's teams stance https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf page 13&14 of 39 "Plaintiffs assert that Defendant “knew” that they cannot access the encrypted files without his key slices, which slices Defendant “clearly already has as demonstrated by the (i) spending of over $1,600,000 worth of the allegedly lock up bitcoin and (ii) his comments to [a journalist] that he could ‘have tanked the market anytime in the last 10 years and ran away laughing.’”ECF No. [507]at 13(citation omitted). They claim that Defendant’s “refusal to open the encrypted file strongly suggests he knows that its contents will include partnership records, support the existence of a partnership between Wright and Dave Kleiman, and that the 820,200 bitcoin on the CSW Filed List (or other comparable amounts) belong to the partnership, as well asthe blockchain related intellectual property created before Dave died.” Id" yep just a couple days ago IRA's team stil think there was a partnership and that there are still 820k coins being hidden by CSW. and yep both sides still trying to say that dave and CSW created bitcoin have a nice year folks hope it doesnt take you long to wake up to all this and realise this is a tennis game where both sides are trying hard to prove there is a satoshi stash that is in partnership of dave and csw .. there are other examples where IRA is trying to INFER that there IS a partnership and there are coins being hidden "They add that the record supports the inference that “true partnership records exist but have not been turned over,” and that Defendant is “withholding authentic evidence of the partnership and attempting to supplant it with his forgeries.” Id." .. basically IRA is arguing that the lack of evidence.. is evidence that there is intellectual property created by dave before death.. sound familiar game to anyone.. isnt that the smell of CSW game .. here ill continue. incase it has not sunk in this is what IRA's team is requesting as their default judgement " Plaintiffs request the Court permit an adverse inference instruction as follows: “(1) Wright has committed perjury, produced fabricated evidence, and withheld relevant evidence with respect to whether (a) he and David were partners, (b) the activities of their partnership, and (c) the extent of the partnership’s assets; and (2) the jury may, if it so chooses, properly infer from this misconduct that (a) Wright and David entered into a 50/50 partnership to develop blockchain-related intellectual property and mine bitcoin, (b) any such intellectual property developed by Wright prior to Dave’s death was property of the partnership, and (c) all bitcoin included in the CSW Filed List is property of the partnership.” ill summarise 1A) wants judgement that CSW and dave were partners 1B) the activities of the partnership(creating and mining bitcoin) 1C) that the partnership has 820k coins as assets or 2A) they had a partnership of creating and mining bitcoin 2B) any stuff done before daves death is part of the partnership 2C) all bitcoins in CSW fake list now belong to the partnership these requested judgements from IRA's team(not CSW) sound very much like CSW's game so idiots.. can anyone anywhere see any part that shows that IRA is calling CSW a pennyless scammer that never mined nor never created btc .. yes we know he never created it.. but where is IRA pointing out that there was no partnership.. hmm? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hilariousetc on June 26, 2020, 12:34:14 PM https://cointelegraph.com/news/judge-accepts-craig-wrights-autism-defense-says-no-to-sanctions
Quote Judge Accepts Craig Wright’s Autism Defense, Says No to Sanctions Is this for real? You can just claim "autism" to excuse lying and fraud in court now? Will the "autism defence" become the new Chewbacca or Matrix defence? I'm kinda hoping it does just to add insult to Craig. Quote In response to the modified omnibus motion put forth by Kleiman’s legal team in May, Wright followed with a motion of his own, requesting “a licensed clinical psychologist” appear as an expert witness. Wright said his witness had diagnosed him with “Autism Spectrum Disorder with high intellectual skills” which needed to be taken into account when assessing his somewhat inconsistent statements to the court. I've always wondered how these witnesses work. Can't you just find anyone who will be willing to diagnose you with autism or schizophrenia or whatever just to try get you off? I doubt it would even be that hard to feign something like autism or some sort of mental illness to a neutral doctor but when you can present your own to back up your claims it seems easy to abuse. I'm not sure autism is an excuse for calculated lies and fraud either. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 26, 2020, 10:42:14 PM because some forms of autism are not detectable by any current diagnostic equipment
EG you cant tell by a blood sample or a DNA test. instead its diagnosed by a doctor listening to symptoms and observing the patient. this means its easier to trick and get a diagnoses without needing any physical evidence some doctors for a price will just make a diagnoses based on payment some do mis-diagnose but as long as the mis-diagnoses does not cause any health risk/death a doctor would not be liable. and instead just be swept under the rug as just a bad judgement there are many ailment that are not really measurable by an scan/fluid sample.. and many people take advantage of these. but in many doctors cases. if it doesnt cause any harm. then nothing wrong with making that diagnoses if it appeases the patient EG declaring a male as female on a re-registered birth certificate. even when all evidence shows they have a bulge in their pants and no high estrogen in their blood. its done because it would cause undue stress if the person is kept being refered to as a male so ye just saying that by not being diagnosed as female causes you stress and depression and you can be then legally defined as female. no operation or hormone treatment needed same with autism cases. jsut sayint to certain doctors that not being diagnosed as autism will cause undue stress because other people wont understand why a irrating twit is being an irritating twit .. in this case i think the judge should request an independant doctors diagnoses. to properly diagnose him as psychotic because any doctor either IRA or CSW prefered would both say whatever CSW wants. because of the obvious frenemy game at play Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 26, 2020, 11:09:16 PM Do you even understand what the fuck you are reading, how much weight to give it, how much weight the parties are giving to it, how depositions are used in court proceedings, preparations and/or even latitude to explore topics? You linked one deposition of one witness, Gavin Andressen, and have you even put that one portion of a document that you read into context? Are there other depositions from the same witness on the same topic or different topics? Are there documents that describe limitations on issues or scope of allowance that might not even be raised in the process of taking the deposition? Your assertion that you studied a portion of one document hardly even coming close to address some of my earlier points about your failure/refusal to substantiate your earlier lame ass collusion claims and to get caught up into likely irrelevance or even swimming in fact gathering that has not even been put into context until you see motions or briefings of attorneys (and that might not even be clear unless you understand the procedural posture.. and even account for both parties describing the procedural posture and issues and perhaps getting rulings from the judge, if warranted.. and sometimes there might be a preliminary steps judge, a settlement judge and a trial judge), so how much would a portion of the testimony of one witness tell us about the extent to which the parties might be colluding in a case that has already generated hundreds of other court documents and has even changed its procedural posture a few times. Yeah, you say that they might not be adequately exploring certain topics with certain witnesses by why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? try to read it. Get the fuck out of here. You are the one with the obligation to show which parts, if any of your evidence supports or proves your point, which the assertion that you and I have been discussing has been your assertion that the parties are colluding or conspiring, and you don’t have anything to back up your assertions besides vague and non-specific assertions that defy the nature of the proceedings and even shows that you don’t even seem to understand the various documents that you are citing as supposed proof. and take your stupid hat off and put on a hat that says "i dont care about gavins testimony, what tone/line of questioning is iRA's defense side displaying in this document' Huh? I already stated that it hardly even matters what kinds of questions are being asked. Do you even understand what depositions are and the context of discovery? Frequently depositions explore all kinds of areas but they allow the parties to find out what potential witnesses might testify to if called, and it also allows the parties to lock the witness into certain areas of testimony so they might not get surprised down the road regarding something that a witness proclaims to know and they are caught with their pants down at trial because they did not even ask the witness about that area in order to lock in their testimony. as you say instead of going into gavins FACTUAL account of the signing process, they skip alot of things that the community think should have been asked. and instead jump straight to asking about the tri-party trust owners. several times i do see a glimer of possible awakedness from you because you even asked 'why the fuck would they be asking Gavin about anything related to the trust when he hardly has any clues about the trust? ' so keep that exact mindset you had when you said that, in mind. Again, don’t be trying to get my assertions to prove your lame points about collusion or conspiracy. If you believe that there is collusion or conspiracy, you better be a whole hell of a lot more specific than to just focus on questions asked to one witness in a deposition in a kind of context that you don’t even seem to understand what the fuck the purpose of a deposition is. You probably need to do a lot more studying and work out what your items of proof are before you are making such lame ass claims of collusion and conspiracy based on that kind of framework of what the parties supposedly did or failed to do in the context of taking a deposition. again its not one portion of gavins testimony you need to be concentrating on. Well, you better fucking direct me specifically to the part that I need to see and you better make your argument way more coherent and cogent if you expect to get anywhere with such assertions of collusion and conspiracy. again for emphasis because after many many posts you seem to remain unsure of the point. Probably you need to clarify your point then if you believe that I am not getting it. You alleged collusion and conspiracy, and more or less I have been suggesting that: 1) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, 2) you have neither provided convincing evidence nor logic to support your extraordinary claims, 3) what you have provided tends to be without any kind of convincing context which causes reasonable suspicions that you don't even understand what you are citing as your supposed vague ass evidence, and 4) your logic, to the extent that any exists, also does not really reveal that you understand either the procedural situation for what you are citing or the reason that certain pieces of evidence, such as deposition testimony might end up being developed by the parties either to discover what the witness might know about any given topic or to lock in witness testimony, even if the witness does not know too much in that area. its about IRA's defense teams method of questioning that you need to really understand. I have not seen anything that is out of ordinary. Probably you need to specifically point this out, if you have some specific examples, and tell us specifically which pages and what documents and what they are doing specifically that you believe to be collusion or conspiracy… if that continues to be your current claim. So for example, you assert that you read the first 115 pages of that deposition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54673585#msg54673585) (then presumably you gave up after that. According to you, "the first 80 pages are waffle." O.k. Then, according to you, there is possibly something kind of meaningful on page 88 and then according to you, the rest just shows that Ira’s attorney fails to pursue lines of questioning that he should have pursued, and shows that Ira’s attorney is not really trying hard enough. Great evidence and outlining of the meaning of such evidence, franky1. You have really put forth your collusion and conspiracy case with that baloney!!!! i was saying about how ira and CSW are playing a game of trying to keep the trust as valid valued and contracted in reality for a game that is of CSW benefit. i said how ira's defense team were not even trying to deeply explore the possibility that CSW has never had any collateral in a trust(a thing the community want proven) so while you cry like a baby about gavins responses. atleast take another read but from the prospective of the defense teams questioning. You are not able to point out this part with specificity? And why would the testimony of one witness matter? I don’t get your evidence or your logic, so I see no need to further investigate points that you failed and refused to make, so far. And, by the way, you have been stringing along evidence and logic all along, too. So in this situation when you first made your claim about collusion and conspiracy, you should have already backed up your claim(s) from that point, but instead, after I asserted that you failed and refused to support your claim, thereafter, you strung along seemingly lame and insufficient evidence after the fact, using the deposition of Gavin Andresen as an example, as if it even come close to supporting your collusion and conspiracy claims. Weak franky1. Weak. all along ira's defense team have not been seeking to call out CSW as a fraud in terms of never having collateral. but instead subtly trying to validate the collateral and make it just game of who owns it From the latest judge ruling, I heard that the judge had rejected Ira’s motion to get default sanctions which were claims that asserted that CSW’s side had been defrauding the court through fraudulent evidence, etc, and the judge ruled against Ira’s team (by the way, Ira is the plaintiff, not the defense) and said that the sanctions issues would be left for trial. I am having troubles understanding how Ira’s legal team is supposedly not trying hard enough when they had been submitting motions to attempt to get the judge to rule about fraudulent evidence being submitted by CSW and trying to get sanctions against CSW for that, and the judge rejects Ira's team's motions and rules the fraud issue to be a matter to be presented at trial rather than getting a ruling on the motions that Ira’s team was presenting. Are you suggesting that Ira’s team should not have made those motions? Or what? The motions of ira’s team should have been stronger ones? Better argued? Got into more details of the kinds of frauds that they are proclaiming that CSW committed at various stages of the proceedings? Ira's team is not trying hard enough? but hey.. you can throw your hands around and get angry that im calling this whole case is meaningless drama that wont result in csw demise. Why would I be angry? You have failed and refused to establish your claims. That’s on you. and instead just used to delay things so CSW can escape a tax bill and escape his 'money men' from chasing him.. but a real actual court case that will see to CSW demise will have to come from a different case with a different party making a court claim against CSW Maybe. We will see what issues are presented at court, and likely the parties will be able to present oral arguments briefs or both. We will see what Ira's team will argue. Also, we will see their opening statements at trial, too. I hope that Ira's team is ready because it seems like the trial is coming up soon. by the way. i had read many documents and stuff. i am not as niave as you think You are coming off as pretty dumb to me, at least so far. You seem to not understand what you are reading on a regular basis, including but not limited to your desire to prove this collusion and conspiracy point. but over the years i have noticed how many others 'dont see the need to go through every detail of bullshit' If you make a claim, you have the burden to provide evidence and argument in support of your claim before any obligation gets put upon anyone else to rebut your lame ass claim. If you have not even come close to succeeding in your part, then why the fuck should you expect any others to do your work for you? People who poo poo your nonsense have no obligation to do shit that you expect them to do, such as research to tell you that you have not proven your claim. so pointing out more details would just make them(you) more angry, You likely are just projecting anger out of your own ineptitude to prove whatever lame points you are attempting to make. and just miss the point entirely.. You seem to be the one missing the point, if you just throw out shit and you do not hardly back it up. Seems to be your MO. as shown in the last few posts where you keep trying to redirect to to sound like im talking about gavin. when the reality all along is im talking about the defense teams questioning Sure, fair enough. If your claims are about the purported collusion and conspiracy about the legal teams, then provide some examples beyond that one piece of evidence. I was merely just asserting the deficiencies that were likely in your claims even if you were able to establish sloppiness in such context of a deposition that may end up going all over the place in terms of discovery of witness testimony and also locking in the witness, especially if the witness might have knowledge about an area that is going to be brought up during trial.. various aspects of the trust, for example… and gavin seems to say that he did not know very much about various aspects of the trust.. so instead of arguing with me on a forum. I am arguing how lame you are in regards to making assertions that you fail and refuse to back up and then when you do attempt to back them up, you do it with shitty examples that would hardly even prove your point if something juicy might happen to be there in that one interview with gavin… blah blah blah. take that spare time and actually look into IRA's defense teams methods. You take some time and try to provide evidence (and perhaps logic) to establish your seemingly baseless and contrary to reality conclusions. because its clear that some people get too defensive if not spoonfed the answers from a party they like and too defensive if spoonfed too much from a party they dont like.. instead they attack the messenger instead of just reading the message No one is attacking you, you poor lil ting-a-lie. You have an obligation to point out evidence and logic to support the conclusions/assertions that you make. so the only solution is to do your own friggen research. Not if you are making the claim. If you make the claim, you need to provide evidence. because your just wasting time trying to get answer from me because you seem to instantly ignore it before exploring it when im the one saying it. You are the one who made the collusion and conspiracy claim… not me. so go check for yourself using the 'critical thinking cap' on iras defense team. dont go blowing it into drama of gavin or me or others people. concentrate, for once on the defense teams questioning. I have already provided more than enough critical thinking to help you out so that you might realize that you need evidence to attempt to substantiate your case, to the extent that you have any case. just ask your self and keep in mind couple paragraphs about proof session validity. but dozens upon dozens of pages asking about the trust and its parties involved. ask yourself what 'evidence' are they trying to achieve. what aspects are they trying to avoid You probably need to ask yourself, and then provide us evidence of what you see. I see nothing unusual in the various questions that they ask even if I might not know all of the issues that might be presented at trial and also that reasonably parties will explore all kinds of areas of evidence in depositions including locking witnesses into testimony for issues that might be presented at trial through other witnesses. You seem to NOT understand very many of these trial preparation dynamics, even though you want to be a smartie pants and proclaim that you know how things are going to play out or not play out and what might happen in this proceeding versus what might happen in other proceedings, and largely it appears that you don’t know shit but want to present a lot of baseless speculation on an ongoing basis while blaming others for not cooperating with your attempts to string them along. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: vapourminer on June 27, 2020, 01:50:40 PM This is more confusing as many drama series! An interesting statement, right in our blockchain ;D: 1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckYouGraigWrightxSatoshiXc6ppN) <<< (Blockchain.com)[/size] Ye, seems like a lot of effort for nothing. its the thought that counts. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Biphuy7eth on June 27, 2020, 04:21:23 PM Whoever signs all of these addresses wants to prove that this person is a fraud and wants to win some audiences by saying that he is Satoshi, but so far he has not succeeded in those claims, but has become a laughing stock among people.
Does anyone know who signed these addresses or knows anything about their content? They have many currencies and it is difficult for it to be done by unknown people. and after all of that some people support him Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 27, 2020, 05:13:02 PM heres the funny part
juan is crying so hard. but has not himself read the actual parts of the latest documents ill say it one more time.. but please this time let this sink in.. dont just instantly hit the reply button.. but instead 1. go read the document 2. se what it really says. not what a friend of yours told you it says 3. sit back and have a cup of coffee. calm down and let it sink in 4. ask yourself if your about to reply are you going to talk about contents of the documents. or just ignorantly attack franky1. if the latter. dont reply your wasting your time 5. if you havnt read below this point. read it and then have a break and really think of a good reply that is worthy of replying with. 6. and dont be as lame as some of your friends that are so ignorant and avoid researching they just reply 'wrong because franky1' thats no excuse so anyway juan pretends that i have not given evidence or pointed out parts.. yet post history shows i have take the gavin interview. i referenced it i even said about how the first 80 pages are waffle and then how the next 25 pages when it got to the 'proof session' ira's team didnt go into detail. and instead on multiple times .. many more times than questioning the proof session. ira's team kept asking gavin about the partnership heck i though juan was getting enlightened by asking 'why would iras team question gavin about the partnership' i actually thought juan had the courage to go against the grain of his friends opinion to have an independant mind and actually research what the documents actually say.. seems im wrong about that enlightened moment anyways i then referenced IRA's teams latest document requesting that a judge by default finds in favour that the partnership and creation of bitcoin was involving CSW&dave.. and that 820k coins are 'somewhere' and the partnership/trust has that value/ownership again.. i referenced documents i talked about documents. i actually said what was said in the documents. but ill summerise it just one more time just for juan.. and then give you references again one more time IRA is saying CSW is not supplying the real evidence of the partnership and so IRA wants the judge now or a jury later to by default judge that there is a partnership. judge that dave and CSW created bitcoin and judge that it has value. atleast try reading it and stop being a cry baby here ill continue. incase it has not sunk in this is what IRA's team is requesting as their default judgement " Plaintiffs request the Court permit an adverse inference instruction as follows: “(1) Wright has committed perjury, produced fabricated evidence, and withheld relevant evidence with respect to whether (a) he and David were partners, (b) the activities of their partnership, and (c) the extent of the partnership’s assets; and (2) the jury may, if it so chooses, properly infer from this misconduct that (a) Wright and David entered into a 50/50 partnership to develop blockchain-related intellectual property and mine bitcoin, (b) any such intellectual property developed by Wright prior to Dave’s death was property of the partnership, and (c) all bitcoin included in the CSW Filed List is property of the partnership.” ill summarise 1A) wants judgement that CSW and dave were partners 1B) the activities of the partnership(creating and mining bitcoin) 1C) that the partnership has 820k coins as assets or 2A) they had a partnership of creating and mining bitcoin 2B) any stuff done before daves death is part of the partnership 2C) all bitcoins in CSW fake list now belong to the partnership these requested judgements from IRA's team(not CSW) sound very much like CSW's game so do yourself a big favour. and realise in many posts now i have showed you and all you wannt do is cry saying i have not showed you so this time instead of asking me to show you. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND READ THE FRIGGEN document here. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf that document has in many different times within it multiples times saying that the plaintiff(IRA) wants the judge to rule that the trust has value and CSW&dave created bitcoin .. now dont bother replying and just read the document you have no excuses left. just read it i could show you many other documents that have IRA's team not really caring about the real fact that CSW is a scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin more than 5 years ago.. but instead is pursuing a story that CSW had alots of involvement throughout including creating it. no where does it say that IRA is calling CSW a fraud in regards to pretending to be satoshi. no where does iras team suggest CSW had nothing to do with bitcoin so go wake up and realise the game CSW and ira are play together.. but against the community. if you want to reply. use the documents. not your friends opinion that your following. use the documents and actually read them for what they are my point is not about my opinion.. but about what is actually wrote in the documents. try to do the same.. next time you pretend that i havnt provided any references... atleast realise bitcointalk has this thing called post history.. .. heck i even said it multiple times in this topic and another topic of similar content.. yet weirdly but obviously ignorantly. you skipped it and then pretended it didnt exist because it opposes your friends opinion ... P.S i still cant beleive after so many days certain people would rather argue on a forum than just do the friggen research and read the documents.. first i thought it was ignorance or lack of ability or lazyness.. now i just think they just want to avoid doing anything that goes against their friends opinion. and instead want to earn merits from their friends by just being argumentative.. they're idiots if that is the case Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 27, 2020, 05:38:56 PM juan pretends that i have not given evidence or pointed out parts.. yet post history shows i have No you haven't. You have made assumptions. You have speculated. You have told a story. That's not the same as presenting evidence that proves your fairytale is accurate. The burden is still on you to prove it. again.. i referenced documents i talked about documents. i actually said what was said in the documents. And you still haven't understood them in a way that leads you to formulate a conclusion that makes an ounce of sense. now dont bother replying and just read the document you have no excuses left. just read it They have read it. They have formed a sensible opinion based on what they have read. It doesn't matter if they read it a thousand times more, they're still not going to see it the way you do, because your understanding is flawed. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 27, 2020, 05:58:48 PM Whoever signs all of these addresses wants to prove that this person is a fraud and wants to win some audiences by saying that he is Satoshi, but so far he has not succeeded in those claims, but has become a laughing stock among people. Does anyone know who signed these addresses or knows anything about their content? They have many currencies and it is difficult for it to be done by unknown people. and after all of that some people support him You are full of shit, Biphuy7eth. Should already be clear that the signing of the addresses was to show that fraudster craig wright was not satoshi.. no one else, with any note (or fame, if you want to call it that), is trying to proclaim to be satoshi. heres the funy part juan is crying so hard. but has not himself read the actual parts of the latest filings ill say it one more time.. but please this time let this sink in.. dont just instantly hit the reply button.. but instead go read the document Dear franky1, the seemingly disingenuous dweeb: I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt and attempting to get through your thick skull, which seems impossible since you seem to be on a mission to keep repeating nonsense without even accounting for weaknesses and fallacies in your arguments and your approach, which I have attempted to point out to you. I guess what I am suggesting is the most important thing is what you are saying about the evidence you provide, rather than the evidence itself, and at least, I have been reading your posts and attempting to give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of your various assertions and claims... You do not make it easy, but hey, I have been trying. You, on the other hand, don't even account for my direct assertions regarding the various places that both your arguments and your presentations of evidence has been weak.. you just keep spouting out the same weak phony baloney and you fail and refuse to either account for my various outlines of the weaknesses or to improve either your arguments and your evidence in any kind of meaningful and substantial way. Can't say that I have not tried with you, franky1 (on the other hand, you can say it, but again, insufficient evidence to establish) :P :P IRA is saying craid is not supplying the real evidence of the partnership and so IRA wants the judge now or a jury later to by default judge that there is a partnership. judge that dave and CSW created bitcoin and judge that it has value. Huh? Again, you don't even understand what the fuck is happening and the meaning of various rulings. Let me see if I can try to 'splain this to you one more time. Ira's attorneys were trying to get some favorable rulings for some of the issues, including the issue of whether Craig had provided fabricated evidence. Since Craig's team had recently put forth a defense that Craig is an autistic genius, the judge decided that there was a triable issue of fact, and judges do not want to make issue of law rulings when there are possible triable facts that have to be resolved, and Craig has a right to have his issues presented in front of a jury in order to resolve some of the issues of fact. So, surely some of the trial might be complicated by having more and more issues to resolve, it frequently will be a more solid ruling if the issues of facts are allowed to be presented to jury, especially when the parties cannot come to agreements about the facts.. so in this case, the facts that are being presented by Craig seems to be whether his supposed autism had actually caused his submission of false evidence in such a way that would possibly allow him to either not be culpable or maybe to be less culpable. To me, the autism excuse does not seem like a winning argument in either regarding the facts or how the law would end up mitigating some of Craig's possible culpability in terms of his submitting false documents to the court, but the judge is going to allow craig and team to present such evidence to a jury and Ira can also put forth his factual evidence and arguments too. So frequently judges do not want to prejudice parties from being able to present possible factual disputes, so they get the opportunity to do that in front of a jury, which seems to be what is going to be allowed here, and surely would be a comical show if such evidence is actually presented to a jury rather than stipulated at some point prior to a jury trial because Craig is likely going to look really dumb trying to present evidence on these points, even if his acolytes in the public (the BSV bagholders) might love such stupid-ass clown show... since they already have shown themselves as so dumb to believe almost anything. :D :D :D atleast try reading it and stop being a cry baby The only cry baby seems to be you. I already sufficiently made my points on the topic. here ill continue. incase it has not sunk in this is what IRA's team is requesting as their default judgement " Plaintiffs request the Court permit an adverse inference instruction as follows: “(1) Wright has committed perjury, produced fabricated evidence, and withheld relevant evidence with respect to whether (a) he and David were partners, (b) the activities of their partnership, and (c) the extent of the partnership’s assets; and (2) the jury may, if it so chooses, properly infer from this misconduct that (a) Wright and David entered into a 50/50 partnership to develop blockchain-related intellectual property and mine bitcoin, (b) any such intellectual property developed by Wright prior to Dave’s death was property of the partnership, and (c) all bitcoin included in the CSW Filed List is property of the partnership.” ill summarise 1A) wants judgement that CSW and dave were partners 1B) the activities of the partnership(creating and mining bitcoin) 1C) that the partnership has 820k coins as assets or 2A) they had a partnership of creating and mining bitcoin 2B) any stuff done before daves death is part of the partnership 2C) all bitcoins in CSW fake list now belong to the partnership these requested judgements from IRA's team(not CSW) sound very much like CSW's game Those are likely going to end up as triable issues of fact. Sure, the judge might narrow down what needs to be presented to the jury, but the parties still seem to be trying to work out these matters regarding what is going to be presented or not (or what issues are going to be allowed to be presented in front of the jury). I doubt that resolution of these issues in favor of Ira end up being Craig's game, but instead, Ira's team does feel that they need to get rulings regarding the facts of these matters in order to get a judgement for damages in their favor. so do yourself a big favour. and realise in many posts now i have showed you and all you wannt do is cry saying i have not showed you so this time instead of asking me to show you. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND READ THE FRIGGEN document here. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf that document has in many different times within it multiples times saying that the plaintiff(IRA) wants the judge to rule that the trust has value and CSW&dave created bitcoin Great.. In order to get a judgement, they need to have something to latch onto, which is the purported joint enterprise having value and Craig stealing Dave's coins or Dave's proportion of the coins (what should have been dave's that Craig supposedly stole). .. now dont bother replying and just read the document Too late. I already replied. you have no excuses left. just read it You can beg me until you are blue in the face, and my reading it does not matter. You already said what you believe the document says, and even if I give you all the benefit of the doubt, the matters still need to be presented to trial for resolution.. and you can spin collusion until you are blue in the face, it makes little to no sense. i could show you many other documents that have IRA's team not really caring about the real fact that CSW is a scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin more than 5 years ago.. but instead is pursuing a story that CSW had alots of involvement throughout including creating it. Yes, they are using Craigs story against him to get a judgement in their favor... good for them. You think that is going to affect bitcoin beyond the drama? Let's say that the court rules that craig is the rightful owner of all the coins that he proclaims in the trust and craig is satoshi. Therefore Craig owes Ira half of those coins, then you think that the court is going to be able to deliver half of the coins to craig so that he can pay Ira if craig does not even have the keys that he proclaims to have? Whatever, you are living in a fantasy, franky1. Anyone gives any shits about what the court proclaims about ownership, if they actually are not able to show the private keys? Makes no sense what you are striving to proclaim about the supposed collusion/conspiracy of the parties, merely because Ira's team is trying to get a ruling that craig owes him and his family half of the value of the coins that they proclaim to have (even if CSW and their nutjobs end up not having those coins). no where does it say that IRA is calling CSW a fraud in regards to pretending to be satoshi. Who cares? And who cares if the court rules him to be satoshi? Does not matter, because he is not. no where does iras team suggest CSW had nothing to do with bitcoin Again, who cares? And who cares if the court rules him to be involved in bitcoin when he has been faking it since about 2015-ish? Does not matter, because craig has been making up the vast majority of his supposed activism in bitcoin. who cares what the court rules? Apparently you do? so go wake up and realise the game CSW and ira are play together.. but against the community. Even if some of their attempts to resolve some issues might align in terms of wanting to get a ruling that Craig and Dave had engaged in a joint venture and that craig had stolen dave's coins, still does not mean that they are either colluding or conspiring.. even if they share some interests that happen to be hostile to bitcoin itself, which seems to be the crux of your disjointed and all over the place nonsensical arguments. if you want to reply. use the documents. not your friends opinion that your following. I don't have any friends. use the documents and actually read them for what they are Stop bossing me around. my point is not about my opinion.. but about what is actually wrote in the documents. try to do the same Your various points are nonsense, even if there might possibly be some truth in your point(s) in regards to shared issues of wanting to get resolution of some issues that might be that both parties want certain issues to be resolved in the same way, here and there. :P :P ::) ::) Does not mean that they are both hostile to bitcoin, and who fucking cares if Ira and his team are hostile to bitcoin and they are trying to get a ruling that is hostile to bitcoin. The main thing is that they are trying to get a ruling in favor of their client, which causes Craig to have to pay them damages, including half of any joint venture coins that are established through the trial and perhaps damages and attorney fees, as well. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 27, 2020, 08:36:45 PM so i say IRAs team is not trying to:
call out CSW as a pennyless scammer.that had nothing to do with bitcoin.. but instead IRA's team IS trying to: claim the partnership is real, that its involves creating bitcoin. that it includes a collateral of 820k coins and CSW is just being deceptive about it yet you disagree, still.. (facepalm x5) i show you documents of IRA's team actually asking the judge to make a default judgement that shows this and your still in denial (facepalm x6) i find it funny how you think im making assumptions im the one actually quoting the documents and reading them seems others are just finding an opinion that agrees with their friends so here you are you can check my post history.. ive mentioned them and referenced them in many posts before. but hey once more wont hurt.. THIS TIME READ THEM!!!! FOR ONCE 22 May 2020 - pages 25,26,27 is of huge interest to the REALITY of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf 24 june 2020 - page 19 is of huge interest to the reality of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf just read what IRAs teams requests are in relation to the partnership, the creation and IP of bitcoin. the 820k assets. have a nice year (it may take you that long to wake up and stop just buddy following) yep IRAs teams game is to say that CSW awkwardness if proof itself that the trust must be real. funny part is that it is also what CSW wants the judge to come to the conclusion aswell. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2020, 05:54:42 AM so i say IRAs team is not trying to: call out CSW as a pennyless scammer.that had nothing to do with bitcoin.. but instead IRA's team IS trying to: claim the partnership is real, that its involves creating bitcoin. that it includes a collateral of 820k coins and CSW is just being deceptive about it Something like that, and they are trying to get a judgement. yet you disagree, still.. (facepalm x5) I disagree with your claim that they are either colluding or have some kind of conspiracy. I am starting to understand that maybe you are making a claim that neither of them are acting in the best interest of bitcoin, but that is almost like a BIG so what. You are also wanting to claim that they are colluding and conspiring to damage bitcoin.. I am not sure about that. Maybe Ira is trying to win a judgement and CSW is wanting the use the procedure to pumpening his fame and public attention, but still does not rise to the level of collusion or conspiracy that you seem to be wanting to argue with your quasi-incoherent and all over the place posts on the topic. i show you documents of IRA's team actually asking the judge to make a default judgement that shows this and your still in denial (facepalm x6) I have been saying that you are trying to proclaim that Ira and CSW are colluding and you are failing and refusing to establish your claims.. otherwise you are making a bunch of lame and incoherent claims about what Ira is supposedly attempting to achieve and any of us can read their briefs if we want to see various arguments that they make in order to attempt to win on various issues and to frame the case in various ways in their favor, including wanting to get a judgement from Craig the clown. i find it funny how you think im making assumptions I have seen that you say a lot of weird things that are difficult to follow what exactly you mean, what you are trying to achieve and what point(s) you are trying to make.. so I suppose in that regard, there tend to be a decent number of assumptions contained therein, too. im the one actually quoting the documents and reading them And citing them to make nonsensical points. Yes, i have seen that. You seem to be all over the place in that regard. seems others are just finding an opinion that agrees with their friends Haven't you made this point many times before? Maybe I should check with Doomad before I post, to make sure that we agree? Is that what you mean? (I am neither admitting or denying to be friends with Doomad, but I can assert that I am not colluding with Doomad or any other member in terms of whatever points that I post) ...Your assertion makes little to no sense. so here you are you can check my post history.. ive mentioned them and referenced them in many posts before. but hey once more wont hurt.. THIS TIME READ THEM!!!! FOR ONCE 22 May 2020 - pages 25,26,27 is of huge interest to the REALITY of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf It ends at page 26... so you are not citing much of anything, and get real franky.. you should not just be requesting that someone (anyone) have to read through three pages to figure out what the fuck you are attempting to proclaim is established therein. You have no fucking idea how to cite support for a position, piece of evidence or argument that you make. You are like arguing with a know it all 12 year old, who does not have enough humility to understand what the fuck is going on in the world beyond himself. One of the better ways to cite is to just snip out the relevant portions and put them in your response here and another way would be to cite which page and which lines.. but probably better to actually show the text that you proclaim shows you ongoingly seemingly lame ass and difficult to follow points to the extent you have any points. 24 june 2020 - page 19 is of huge interest to the reality of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf There does not seem to be anything important to show your points on page 19 just read what IRAs teams requests are in relation to the partnership, the creation and IP of bitcoin. the 820k assets. I don't see the reference... and anyway the document is about plaintiff's motion for sanctions. have a nice year (it may take you that long to wake up and stop just buddy following) Sure. It might take me that long to figure out what you are talking about. yep IRAs teams game is to say that CSW awkwardness if proof itself that the trust must be real. funny part is that it is also what CSW wants the judge to come to the conclusion aswell. Sure. Ira would like to get a judgment that is based on the trust being real, and that way craig owes them 1/2 of 850k bitcoins whether it is real or not. Attorneys like to get judges to make adverse inference judgements all the time. That is called attempting to make good legal arguments to prevail in the case and to get a judgement in favor of your client. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 28, 2020, 09:35:13 AM seems you really are that ignorant and just want to avoid whats actually said
THIS TIME READ THEM!!!! FOR ONCE It ends at page 26... so you are not citing much of anything, and get real franky.. you should not just be requesting that someone (anyone) have to read through three pages to figure out what the fuck you are attempting to proclaim is established therein. 22 May 2020 - pages 25,26,27 is of huge interest to the REALITY of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf ... well here goes .. again this time showing citing.. and showing what im proclaiming.. debunking your page number theory all in one pic https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png the genius of modern technology.. one image explains it all oh look there are 28 pages.. oops your mistake.. ill say it once more. 28 pages . debunking your 26 page limit theory oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW was part of bitcoins creation(1) oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW owns all the coins he pretends to own(2) oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW get the patent IP rights of bitcoin(3) and this request by ira.. is the 'punishment' (sanction) ira wants CSW to receive .. next time dont try looking for excuses to avoid reading.. ignorance and finding a way to pretend "i didnt know because i refused to read" doesnt make you right just makes you look stupid next time just read it. not argue why you shouldnt read it it saves EVERYONE alot of time and that includes you if you dont want to learn about a topic. then just dont get involved in its discussion Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2020, 03:30:22 PM seems you really are that ignorant and just want to avoid whats actually said THIS TIME READ THEM!!!! FOR ONCE It ends at page 26... so you are not citing much of anything, and get real franky.. you should not just be requesting that someone (anyone) have to read through three pages to figure out what the fuck you are attempting to proclaim is established therein. 22 May 2020 - pages 25,26,27 is of huge interest to the REALITY of iras position https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.0.pdf ... well here goes .. again this time showing citing.. and showing what im proclaiming.. debunking your page number theory all in one pic https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png the genius of modern technology.. one image explains it all oh look there are 28 pages.. oops your mistake.. ill say it once more. 28 pages . debunking your 26 page limit theory oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW was part of bitcoins creation(1) oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW owns all the coins he pretends to own(2) oh look its iras side wanting the court to legalise that CSW get the patent IP rights of bitcoin(3) and this request by ira.. is the 'punishment' (sanction) ira wants CSW to receive Still all irrelevant. You want to argue about petty things, and you create your own arguments by your lack of clarity and seeming striving to play "gotcha." You notice how excited that you are getting over nonsense related to page numbers. There are 26 pages marked on the bottom of the page, so it was ambiguous what the fuck you were referring to in terms of page numbers and what claims that you were wanting to make by pointing out those page numbers. Your summary, even shows how irrelevant that your claims are, so I stick to my original points already made in my previous post. .. next time dont try looking for excuses to avoid reading.. I have already read more than my fair share of your largely incoherent gobbledy gook of ideas mismashed into stream of consciousness stringing along of various lamely thought out ideas, to the extent that they even rise to the level of "ideas." ignorance and finding a way to pretend "i didnt know because i refused to read" doesnt make you right just makes you look stupid I am not trying to be right, just trying to figure out what the fuck you are talking about and whether or not you have established any kind of basic or meaningful claim in connection to your supposed collusion and conspiracy theories. next time just read it. not argue why you shouldnt read it Did someone die and put you in charge of what i should do, or not do? I did not receive that memo. it saves EVERYONE alot of time and that includes you It would clearly save a lot of folks time if you just made your point much more clearly, and less ambiguously right from the start... which you still have not even established your case, but I can see a bit more clearly about the extent of your lame evidence attempting to establish your lame claims. if you dont want to learn about a topic. then just dont get involved in its discussion Huh? this topic is not really very important or interesting anyhow, but I will choose on my own when and the extent to which I will or will not participate. Sure, you might not like me, but really, I attempted to help you to better clarify your points, to the extent that you made progress in that direction still remains unclear because you still seem to be proclaiming that there is some kind of collusion and conspiracy going on and such claim is very weak, even though I do recognize what you are saying a bit better than I had initially saw from what you had said. Hopefully, a lot of this back and forth has at least allowed either you or some other readers of this thread to recognize that the procedural posture of the case might need to be better understood when making certain kinds of arguments from evidence that you cite or any other member might cite to try to show certain points about what certain witnesses are testifying to or what parties might be trying to achieve in the case or even attempts at making broader assertions about what the whole case means in terms of the bitcoin space or the BSV space or otherwise. Of course, it is much better arguments to show briefs and arguments from Ira's team in terms of trying to proclaim what Ira's team is trying to achieve instead of your first evidence was providing none at all, and then your second evidence was citing parts of Gavin's deposition. So, at least you have progressed a tiny bit on the third try (was it third try or more?) by citing arguments from Ira's team in a brief. There are a variety of ways to present evidence, too, and sometimes you can cite a combination of various pieces of evidence to attempt to make your claims, especially when you are attempting to make such preposterous and extraordinary claims, like the ones that you are continuing to make, but I would not expect you to necessarily advance to such higher levels of clearly presenting your evidence, your arguments and your conclusory claims without a bit more practice. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 28, 2020, 04:37:57 PM Still all irrelevant. You want to argue about petty things, and you create your own arguments by your lack of clarity and seeming striving to play "gotcha." Your summary, even shows how irrelevant that your claims are, so I stick to my original points already made in my previous post. .. next time dont try looking for excuses to avoid reading.. I have already read more than my fair share of your largely incoherent gobbledy gook of ideas I am not trying to be right, just trying to figure out what the fuck you are talking about and whether or not you have established any kind of basic or meaningful claim in connection to your supposed collusion and conspiracy theories. i made it clear. i gave references. and i asked you to read the documents heck i decided your reading ability must be limited. so i even made a pretty picture for you .. then i said to not make social drama arguments about me. but just read the documents about the IRA&CSW partnership BUT yet again you cry like a baby about how you read loads of MY dribble (not the documents then(facepalm)) so again you didnt even look at THE DOCUMENTS and you wanted to make your reply that my previous post was only about the page numbering(facepalm).. again ignoring the content of the documents the only comment you made about the document was the page number. so you are crying about page numbers in many posts.. again ignoring the content(facepalm) your ignorance is your misfortune dont bother replying unless you talk about IRAS REQUEST TO THE JUDGE and THE CONTENTS OF THE DOCUMENTS (pre-empts JUAN reply to just be about me as usual insert pre-emptive facepalm)) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2020, 07:13:29 PM Still all irrelevant. You want to argue about petty things, and you create your own arguments by your lack of clarity and seeming striving to play "gotcha." Your summary, even shows how irrelevant that your claims are, so I stick to my original points already made in my previous post. .. next time dont try looking for excuses to avoid reading.. I have already read more than my fair share of your largely incoherent gobbledy gook of ideas I am not trying to be right, just trying to figure out what the fuck you are talking about and whether or not you have established any kind of basic or meaningful claim in connection to your supposed collusion and conspiracy theories. i made it clear. i gave references. and i asked you to read the documents heck i decided your reading ability must be limited. so i even made a pretty picture for you .. then i said to not make social drama arguments about me. but just read the documents about the IRA&CSW partnership BUT yet again you cry like a baby about how you read loads of MY dribble (not the documents then(facepalm)) so again you didnt even look at THE DOCUMENTS and you wanted to make your reply that my previous post was only about the page numbering(facepalm).. again ignoring the content of the documents the only comment you made about the document was the page number. so you are crying about page numbers in many posts.. again ignoring the content(facepalm) your ignorance is your misfortune dont bother replying unless you talk about IRAS REQUEST TO THE JUDGE and THE CONTENTS OF THE DOCUMENTS (pre-empts JUAN reply to just be about me as usual insert pre-emptive facepalm)) You better be careful in regards to facepalming so frequently and with such emotionalisms, franky1. You don't want this to happen to you. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/625/428/bd6.png I already responded to your various ongoing bullshit assertions, so probably we are getting repetitive in terms of your not really providing anything new in your latest post. Maybe I could attempt to 'splain to you one more time what plaintiffs tend to attempt to be doing when they file motions for sanctions that are based on their assertions of either false evidence being produced or failure of defendant to cooperate or to provide documents in support of the claims of the defendant.... In those kinds of situations, Plaintiffs will frequently request adverse inference rulings from judges, which is what Ira's attorney has been doing in this matter on a fairly regular basis, which seeks to punish the defendant for his bad conduct by disallowing him from pursuing certain kinds of further evidentiary productions. As we overviewed several times, already, ultimately, recently in this case the court rejected such sanctions motion from plaintiff's attorney (Ira's team), and ruled that there are factual issues being presented by defendant that should be allowed to be presented at trial that need to be resolved prior to any such ruling from the judge (part of that determination of issues of facts relates to CSW's most recent claim that he should be excused because he is a highly intelligent autistic). In other words, there is nothing really unusual about the arguments being presented by plaintiffs in such a motion in order to attempt to narrow down the triable issues and even to attempt to win some or all issues without having to present evidence at trial or trying to get some interim remedy or relief that does not allow the defendant to either profit (or further confuse matters) from his already established wrongdoing, and you largely already outlined those various arguments that you conceded that plaintiffs were making in this case. Even though you proclaim that the kinds of claims that plaintiffs are attempting to make are evidence of collusion and conspiracy, the fact of the matter is that the kinds of claims that plaintiffs are attempting to make are normal kinds of claims that plaintiffs make in these kinds of matters to attempt to win as much as they can, to preclude evidence and issues at trial and to assure that they get damages from this kind of defendant, which again is NOT unusual in this kind of procedural posture, you diptwat. You just seem to be inclined to give collusion and conspiracy weight to such arguments or otherwise to ongoingly get distracted by assertions that no one except you understands what is going on in this matter with your dumbass and lame interpretation of collusion and conspiracy based on such ongoing inadequate evidence and inadequate logic too. So, yeah, seems that we have been getting increasingly repetitive in these whole recent discussions around the topic, and you seem to be unwilling or able to keep your eye on relevance and you easily get distracted away from the point or drawn into further irrelevant personal attack nonsense that maybe you were trying to make by blaming others for your ongoing lackenings in describing why the lame evidence you provide supposedly supposedly support your collusion and conspiracy theories. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 28, 2020, 08:28:04 PM again.. once more
IRA is not asking for CSW to be punished criminally but instead to assert tht CSW was part of bitcoins invention as is punishment you are flim flamming about possible this possible that. maybe this maybe that so ill just once again show you exactly what ira is asking for https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png you pretend that maybe/possibly and kinda that ira is trying to punish CSW for being a liar and such punishment should be the nail in CSW coffin... but no where in the documents is it asking for any fraud related punishments that everyone would like to see.. no punishment that would actually harm CSW. but instead the requested 'punishment' gives him the title and accolade and prominence he wants seems your stuck with the if's and maybes... semms you would prefer to argue with me than actually read what the document says. and actually talk and discuss the contents of the documents. and actually comment on the context of the documents. so yea im gonna keep highlighting the document because whats happening IN THE CASE matters more than your opinion oh and the document is the document. i did not write it nor had anything to do with it. so pointing your baby finger at me. and crying out insults.. wont change the documents again pointing your baby finger at me and crying insults has nothing to do with the case documents. but its a real shame you keep saying court documents are irelevant.. very strange you have become Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2020, 08:42:30 PM again.. once more IRA is not asking for CSW to be punished criminally but instead to assert tht CSW was part of bitcoins invention as is punishment Request for criminal prosecution could come later, if CSW's conduct rises to such level.. you are flim flamming about possible this possible that. maybe this maybe that so ill just once again show you exactly what ira is asking for https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png you pretend that maybe/possibly and kinda that ira is trying to punish CSW for being a liar and such punishment should be the nail in CSW coffin... but no where in the documents is it asking for any fraud related punishments that everyone would like to see.. no punishment that would actually harm CSW. but instead the requested 'punishment' gives him the title and accolade and prominence he wants seems your stuck with the if's and maybes... semms you would prefer to argue with me than actually read what the document says. and actually talk and discuss the contents of the documents. and actually comment on the context of the documents. We already discussed all of this. so yea im gonna keep highlighting the document because whats happening IN THE CASE matters more than your opinion Do what you want... seems like pure irrelevant nonsense to me, at least in terms of what you proclaim to be wanting to show. oh and the document is the document. i did not write it nor had anything to do with it. so pointing your baby finger at me. and crying out insults.. wont change the documents So far, i have not alleged that you have done anything to any documents to alter them. Are you feeling guilty about something that you may have done in that regard or anticipating a claim that might be made against you? ::) ::) again pointing your baby finger at me and crying insults has nothing to do with the case documents. but its a real shame you keep saying court documents are irelevant.. very strange you have become I already said what I said which was that your arguments were lame and the documents did not really support your ongoing lame claims, but whatever, I feel that I am repeating myself, .. deja vu all over again. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 28, 2020, 09:28:56 PM again.. once more IRA is not asking for CSW to be punished criminally but instead to assert tht CSW was part of bitcoins invention as is punishment Request for .... could come later, if .......... yet i quote the ACTUAL REQUEST IN REALITY AND IN THE PRESENT no IF's.. no could's We already discussed all of this. so yea im gonna keep highlighting the document because whats happening IN THE CASE matters more than your opinion Do what you want... seems like pure irrelevant nonsense to me, at least in terms of what you proclaim to be wanting to show.I already said what I said which was that your arguments were lame and the documents did not really support your ongoing lame claims, but whatever, I feel that I am repeating myself, .. deja vu all over again. more talk from you stating the case is irrelevant.(facepalm) i present references/screenshots of actual case. you deny its existance and say im making it up(facepalm) its ira's teams 'proclamation' in their own words.. not mine i cant believe your naturally this dense. and starting to think your just a troll Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 28, 2020, 09:54:30 PM again.. once more IRA is not asking for CSW to be punished criminally but instead to assert tht CSW was part of bitcoins invention as is punishment Request for .... could come later, if .......... yet i quote the ACTUAL REQUEST IN REALITY AND IN THE PRESENT no IF's.. no could's We already discussed all of this. so yea im gonna keep highlighting the document because whats happening IN THE CASE matters more than your opinion Do what you want... seems like pure irrelevant nonsense to me, at least in terms of what you proclaim to be wanting to show.I already said what I said which was that your arguments were lame and the documents did not really support your ongoing lame claims, but whatever, I feel that I am repeating myself, .. deja vu all over again. more talk from you stating the case is irrelevant.(facepalm) i present references/screenshots of actual case. you deny its existance and say im making it up(facepalm) its ira's teams 'proclamation' in their own words.. not mine i cant believe your naturally this dense. and starting to think your just a troll Do you even know what you are arguing about, franky1? I have largely conceded all of your points about what the document says and represents. We are not disagreeing regarding what the document says or supposedly represents, but just the extent to which the use of such document supports your collusion and conspiracy claims. I gave my reasons against it and you gave yours in favor of it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2020, 06:49:23 AM CSW game for 4 years as been to try to get it legalised and public that he is satoshi and has 820k coins and created bitcoin...
lets just call it the CSW game.. we all know what it is and what is ira doing.. playing CSW game, such as: IRA's request to the judge ira team questions gavin more about the partnership and not much about the 'proof session' all are the things that lead into giving CSW his game,not away from it. when ira requests a 'sanction' that is in reality a gift to CSW. you cant deny whats actually wrote down in the documents. but hey you think this is all irrelevant. YOU have said that IRA is debunking CSW .. but where has he ever said that CSW is a pennyless scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin pre-2014 .... NOWHERE so your idea is flawed and missing relevance. but mine is written clear as day in the documents and even screenshotted if you cant even understand how to click links and scroll pages so if you want to try to prove me wrong. show me where IRA is saying that CSW is a pennyless scammer that has had nothing to do with bitcoin pre-2014 (a fact we in the community know already) its clear as day IRA's team want to give CSW what CSW wants (his game) you pretend to want 'proof' 'evidence' 'references' ive gave you links, quotes extracts, screenshots that say exactly what is said so dont argue with me. thats not evidence instead use the documents. but you wont do that. you will just avoid, and troll. and just sound more ignorant with each post .. but last chance. show me the case documents that lean in your idea's favour. not your opinions or 'if, could, maybe". show me ira's teams words and requests that validate your thoughts. because i shown you my references.. now its your turn (pre-empts more arguing and juan wanting to talk about me, but not the topic of the trust.) (pre-empts the avoidance of any quotes/document links/references of actual case data in juans favour) (pre-empts more mindless waffle/insults because im not following a certain group of friends lame opinion) (hint: try to avoid making a post about me. and instead make it about documented written case data that validates your claim that would by its own weight debunk mine) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 07:06:47 AM CSW game for 4 years as been to try to get it legalised and public that he is satoshi and has 820k coins and created bitcoin... lets just call it the CSW game.. we all know what it is and what is ira doing.. playing CSW game o.k. fair enough. Ira is playing CSW's game to use it against CSW to get a judgement based on if CSW wants to continue to play the game, he has to pay Ira. Ira need not give any shits about anyone except for Ira getting paid off of CSW's game. That sounds like Ira's game might have mutual interests with CSW... So fucking what? IRA's request to the judge ira doing many thing like the way he questions gavin more about the partnership and not much about the 'proof session' all are the things that lead into giving CSW his game I already covered this. It is trial prep. They have not put on their evidence in trial yet. when ira requests a 'sanction' that is in reality a gift to CSW. you cant deny whats actually wrote down in the documents. If sanctions are such a gift to CSW, then why is CSW fighting sanctions, why doesn't he just not fight sanctions? CSW is just playing hard to get? but hey you think this is all irrelevant. More or less, I think that you are presenting baloney ideas, and tending not to express your ideas very well. YOU have said that IRA is debunking CSW .. Huh? I don't know what you mean about what I am supposedly saying. but where has he ever said that CSW is a pennyless scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin pre-2014 .... NOWHERE so your idea is flawed and missing relevance. but mine is written clear as day in the documents and even screenshotted if you cant even understand how to click links and scroll pages o.k. You are clear, and I am not. Makes sense. so if you want to try to prove me wrong. I don't have to prove you wrong. You need to prove yourself right. There you have it, in a nutshell. :P :P show me where IRA is saying that CSW is a pennyless scammer that has had nothing to do with bitcoin pre-2014 (a fact we in the community know already) Ira wants to get paid on a judgement, so he hopes that Craig or somebody has some money so that he (Ira) can get paid. you pretend to want 'proof' 'evidence' 'references' I am not pretending. I am just saying that if you say something you need to back it up. Otherwise it is not convincing. That's all. ive gave you links, quotes extracts, screenshots that say exactly what is said so dont argue with me. thats not evidence instead use the documents. O.k. I won't argue with you. You are wonderful, deep down on the inside. ;) its clear as day IRA's team want to give CSW what CSW wants (his game) but you wont do that. you will just avoid, and troll. and just sound more ignorant with each post .. but last chance. show me the case documents that lean in your idea's favour. I don't have any ideas. I just proclaimed that your ideas are not convincing. not your opinions or 'if, could, maybe". show me ira's teams words and requests that validate your thoughts. because i shown you my references.. now its your turn I don't need a turn. We can just rest the case on your lack of a case. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2020, 07:39:46 AM CSW game for 4 years as been to try to get it legalised and public that he is satoshi and has 820k coins and created bitcoin... lets just call it the CSW game.. we all know what it is and what is ira doing.. playing CSW game o.k. fair enough. Ira is playing CSW's game to use it against CSW to get a judgement based on if CSW wants to continue to play the game, he has to pay Ira. and the bit your missing is CSW doesnt actually physicaly have to hand over 50% of 820k coins at most...he just has to have IRA notorise a note that says ira received value and is happy and settled and no further action required. but hey. lets actually read the document.. where does it say a payout/buyout/compensation is requested https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png again the real thing this case is about, is the claims of who the creator of bitcoin and its IP ownership are it just says legalise the partnership.. not payout from the partnership so please give up YOUR IF's maybe's and could be's but you seem too ignorant to even think about the actual words of the documents. instead you go into the IF's of where CSW is legalised as bitcoins owner. he has to pay.. (emphasis: but it doesnt even say that!!) again missing the point about legalised as bitcoins owner. which is the game. which the community know he doesnt deserve and like i said has no negative punishment for CSW. because he doesnt even have to actually pay. as thats not whats requested i cant believe how many posts you have made to avoid thee FACT that the written documents are trying to get a judgement that CSW is the bitcoin creator total unbelievable ignorance but it has been funny how many if's maybe, could be's you have mentioned.. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 07:54:21 AM CSW game for 4 years as been to try to get it legalised and public that he is satoshi and has 820k coins and created bitcoin... lets just call it the CSW game.. we all know what it is and what is ira doing.. playing CSW game o.k. fair enough. Ira is playing CSW's game to use it against CSW to get a judgement based on if CSW wants to continue to play the game, he has to pay Ira. and the bit your missing is CSW doesnt actually physicaly have to hand over 50% of 820k coins he just has to have IRA notorise a note that says ira received value and is happy and settled and no further action required. What makes you believe that I am missing that? Most of the time, if someone received a judgement then there can be a variety of ways of settling the judgement, including stipulation, which could come in a variety of ways, including giving the value of the settlement, including the variation of payment that you mentioned. Usually, liability is established before damages, but in this case, the parties had already settled, but CSW breached the settlement, from what i recall.... so the terms of the previous settlement might not end up being the same as what happens with a judicial decision or jury trial. again the real thing this case is about, is the claims of who the creator of bitcoin and its IP ownership are That's not being decided in this case. but you seem too ignorant to even think about the actual words of the documents. instead you go into the IF's of where CSW is legalised as bitcoins owner. he has to pay.. Huh? You are putting words in my mouth again. If CSW is found liable, then he will have to pay.. correct.. that is if he does not escape judgement by fleeing. again missing the point about legalised as bitcoins owner. which is the game. which the community know he doesnt deserve and like i said has no negative punishment for CSW. because he doesnt even have to actually pay 410kcoins. but instead get ira to just say no further action required (ira's team will get paid from other scammed funds from CSW other ponzi investors) Yes... CSW could pay from other sources, possibly. That's right. i cant believe how many posts you have made to avoid thee FACT that the written documents are trying to get a judgement that CSW is the bitcoin creator total unbelievable ignorance but it has been funny how many if's maybe, could be's you have mentioned.. I am glad you are having fun. This forum is here, just for you to have fun. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on June 29, 2020, 08:07:03 AM Curious on what would be everyone's opinion in Craig Wright's claim that the stolen Mt.Gox coins are his property, in comnection to his self-proclamation of having "Autism Spectrum Disorder"? 8)
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 08:20:22 AM Curious on what would be everyone's opinion in Craig Wright's claim that the stolen Mt.Gox coins are his property, in comnection to his self-proclamation of having "Autism Spectrum Disorder"? 8) I personally have trouble understanding how they resolve so many conflicting positions through trial, so I would expect some stipulations along the way, but essentially, CSW seems to be still arguing various addresses are his while at the same time proclaiming that the extent to which he is shown to be a liar, then those lies are excused by his condition. The crazy game plan seemed to be to want to get a ruling in his favor regarding the addresses being his, but that still does not resolve the fact that he does not have the private keys except to the extent that he and his cronies can maybe get access to the forked coins, even those dumbass BSV bagholders will agree to it. I am sure franky1 has various largely implausible and convoluted theories regarding the direction of how this plays out, but I don't know how CSW gets out of having a judgement against him, even if CSW cannot actually get access to the coins, so they may attempt to drag out damages proceedings, too. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 29, 2020, 10:18:59 AM Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2020, 11:47:05 AM Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now. i understand that psychology but ira isnt even asking for CSW to pay 410k coins(50% of 820k) ira is trying to get a judge to rule that there was a partnership, without proof.. end of the old game of 'lack of proof infers proof' game CSW has been playing for 4 years it would be different if iras team were asking for 50% of the assets to be handed to daves estate it would be different if iras team were asking for 410k coins it would be different if ira's team were asking CSW to buy out 50% it would be different if ira's team were asking for compensation but none of these apply the only request being made is to get a judgement that CSW&dave partnership owns bitcoin and IP and all other things involved .. see the difference Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 03:56:32 PM Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now. Yes. This is exactly what seems to be happening, and the court system allows for making the kinds of damages claims that Ira has been making. Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now. i understand that psychology but ira isnt even asking for CSW to pay 410k coins(50% of 820k) ira is trying to get a judge to rule that there was a partnership, without proof.. end of the old game of 'lack of proof infers proof' game CSW has been playing for 4 years it would be different if iras team were asking for 50% of the assets to be handed to daves estate it would be different if iras team were asking for 410k coins it would be different if ira's team were asking CSW to buy out 50% it would be different if ira's team were asking for compensation but none of these apply the only request being made is to get a judgement that CSW&dave partnership owns bitcoin and IP and all other things involved .. see the difference How do you believe that you get from point A to point B in the US judicial process? You don't just say I want 410k coins from CSW and get it without both having to prove that you have a valid claim to those coins while providing the other side the opportunity to contest your claim... which is exactly what is happening here. There is no materially important or legally significant difference to see, as you seem to be continuing to argue such nonsense that they are trying prove something outside of the normal claim for damages or that even if Ira were to obtain a favorable ruling in this case that includes the judge saying that CSW owning the coins that CSW is satoshi, those rulings would NOT end up applying in some other context.. CSW would have to prove his ownership again in another case or that he is satoshi again in some other case, if those issues were to come up in some other context... Of course, scammers don't give any shit if their claims are valid or not, they use legally insufficient information to make claims, such as copywriting the white paper.. remember that legally insignificant nonsense that CSW was playing for a period of time last year? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2020, 04:33:16 PM How do you believe that you get from point A to point B in the US judicial process? You don't just say I want 410k coins from CSW and get it without both having to prove that you have a valid claim to those coins while providing the other side the opportunity to contest your claim... which is exactly what is happening here. There is no materially important or legally significant difference to see, as you seem to be continuing to argue such nonsense that they are trying prove something outside of the normal claim for damages or that even if Ira were to obtain a favorable ruling in this case that includes the judge saying that CSW owning the coins that CSW is satoshi, those rulings would NOT end up applying in some other context.. CSW would have to prove his ownership again in another case or that he is satoshi again in some other case, if those issues were to come up in some other context... Of course, scammers don't give any shit if their claims are valid or not, they use legally insufficient information to make claims, such as copywriting the white paper.. remember that legally insignificant nonsense that CSW was playing for a period of time last year? agin your distraction about the coins. makes you ignorant of a court judgement that would give CSW ownership right of bitcoin again you keep on about the if's and maybe's of later possible cases if IRA wants to get paid. but IRA right now here today this week. in reality. is asking the court to decide on who owns bitcoin all your other waffle and distractive trolling talking about funds is very ignorant. i am not saying they are trying to prove something out side the norma claim for damages many many many many many many posts now i have said exactly what ira is trying to claim i even screenshotted his own request. your the one thats iffing and could be and maybe all about financial damage claims your weirdly obsessed about ira getting 410k coin its not even about 410k coin its about CSW game of getting legally judged ownership of bitcoins IP Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 06:39:55 PM How do you believe that you get from point A to point B in the US judicial process? You don't just say I want 410k coins from CSW and get it without both having to prove that you have a valid claim to those coins while providing the other side the opportunity to contest your claim... which is exactly what is happening here. There is no materially important or legally significant difference to see, as you seem to be continuing to argue such nonsense that they are trying prove something outside of the normal claim for damages or that even if Ira were to obtain a favorable ruling in this case that includes the judge saying that CSW owning the coins that CSW is satoshi, those rulings would NOT end up applying in some other context.. CSW would have to prove his ownership again in another case or that he is satoshi again in some other case, if those issues were to come up in some other context... Of course, scammers don't give any shit if their claims are valid or not, they use legally insufficient information to make claims, such as copywriting the white paper.. remember that legally insignificant nonsense that CSW was playing for a period of time last year? agin your distraction about the coins. makes you ignorant of a court judgement that would give CSW ownership right of bitcoin I thought that we were starting to make progress, and now you proclaim this nonsense? Maybe you need to outline your logic a bit better? How do you get from a court case in which Ira is attempting to get CSW to pay him damage to be able to have the power to rule that CSW has ownership over the coins that he says that he does? When there is a judgement that comes out of a situation in which CSW proclaiming that he owns the coins, and Ira says that he is entitled to half, and then if the court agrees for the purposes of the judgement, CSW owes half, the court is not ruling that CSW owns the coins, it is just going along with CSWs proclamation in order to grant damages to Ira. You don't get any more from that ruling in this case, even if CSW might want to attempt to scam people on such a ruling that does not even go to making a material judgement about his ownership of the coins, the court merely presumes such ownership and grants damages to Ira. Now, if CSW either proclaims inability to pay because he cannot get into the account, then that might be another case about damages that comes after the first proceeding.. Of course, they could choose to have a hearing on both liability and damages at the same time, but that might end up overly complicating matters. Courts have discretion regarding how many issues that they might litigate in any one proceeding or if they will allow the addition or subtraction of issues along the way. again you keep on about the if's and maybe's of later possible cases if IRA wants to get paid. Oh? It's already been resolved? I did not know that. You might need to provide a link if you are suggesting that some of these issues have already been resolved, and I did not know about it. I don't proclaim to know everything, even though it seems that I know a fucking lot more than you about presentation of ideas in a more clear way. but IRA right now here today this week. in reality. is asking the court to decide on who owns bitcoin Sure, any case is going to be a moving target. Evidence is developing, and their are broader rules and issues that might not be known at time 1, but they become known (or develop) at a later date. For example, we did not know that fucktwat CSW was going to be raising the autistic genius defense, so sometimes it can take the other side a bit of time to make adjustments to new claims and new rulings.... or even our discussion in the public sphere (such as spaces like this) might change based on new information - even though the overall broader picture items might not really change merely because some issues might be changed along the way, here and there. all your other waffle and distractive trolling talking about funds is very ignorant. I am just attempting to respond to your ongoing nonsense. If I am operating on bad facts (or wrong facts) then point them out. I don't have any problem correcting my analysis if there ends up being some material and relevant facts that exist for which I have not accounted. i am not saying they are trying to prove something out side the norma claim for damages Well seemed like you were making some strange ass claims that were not related to what seemed to be being asked for by Ira, and you were also projecting how things will or might play out, but we have not even gotten close to that far yet in the proceedings. We merely have Ira petition for certain kinds of default sanctions (damages), and the court largely rejected Ira's motion by saying that the court is going to allow the matters to go to trial. Sure, Ira's team might be prejudiced by such ruling, but the court seems to be trying to just allow the various issues to be presented, and it might have been more problematic for the court to grant Ira's ruling and to disallowed Craig from presenting evidence on his autism/genius defense, even if it seems like a real long shot defense it does seem to raise potential material issues of fact (that are either currently unknown by the court or in dispute). In some sense, also, the court is still leaving its options open by rejecting Ira's default judgement claim because it can allow such facts and arguments to be presented during trial, but then come to realize later down the line that there might not be any material and significant facts in dispute, and the court could thereafter remove such issue from the jury and make a ruling on the sanctions matter at a later date without allowing the jury to determine facts that end up not being in dispute by the parties. many many many many many many posts now i have said exactly what ira is trying to claim Many many posts you have shifted all over the place in either what you are saying or evidence that you have attempted to provide to establish what you are saying, but I will concede that you have been repetitive, also, in your various nonsense assertions, so there is that, too. :D :D :D i even screenshotted his own request. You mean that you referenced the page numbers of the closing part of Ira's brief to the court in regards to damages? Seems that I have largely accepted your representations regarding what Ira is requesting, so we do not have any dispute between us in regards to what Ira had requested. You just seem to want to attribute some higher level of motivation, such as colluding or conspiracy to that request, when in the end, it is merely a more or less normal request for a default judgement (in regards to sanctions) that would come from a plaintiff in a case like this. You know that plaintiff's try to preclude evidence and/or to get rulings in their favor all of the time. Those are allowable practices within the American court system, even if you believe that there is some ulterior and deeper motive that relates to those normal practices. your the one thats iffing and could be and maybe all about financial damage claims your weirdly obsessed about ira getting 410k coin its not even about 410k coin its about CSW game of getting legally judged ownership of bitcoins IP You are repeating yourself, again. I have already responded to this, several times, but sure, you persist with rambling nonsense.. you persist. We disagree.. No need to keep repeating with the same arguments and no newer information/facts, right? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 29, 2020, 08:38:20 PM I thought that we were starting to make progress, and now you proclaim this nonsense? Maybe you need to outline your logic a bit better? How do you get from a court case in which Ira is attempting to get CSW to pay him damage to be able to have the power to rule that CSW has ownership over the coins that he says that he does? your going backwards and still making it about the coins.. idiot... absolutely trolling idiot you are its about the bitcoins intellectual property.. as thats always been CSW game the game of being bitcoins creator anyway. your idiotic ignorance has just gone one ignorant step too far. so ill just post the image link of it showing exactly what ira's request is... https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png you have lost the debate with your ignorant distractions idiot below is just trolling now.. V Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 29, 2020, 08:55:10 PM I thought that we were starting to make progress, and now you proclaim this nonsense? Maybe you need to outline your logic a bit better? How do you get from a court case in which Ira is attempting to get CSW to pay him damage to be able to have the power to rule that CSW has ownership over the coins that he says that he does? your going backwards and still making it about the coins.. idiot... absolutely trolling idiot you are its about the bitcoins intellectual property.. as thats always been CSW game the game of being bitcoins creator anyway. your idiotic ignorance has just gone one ignorant step too far. so ill just post the image link of it showing exactly what ira's request is... https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png you have lost the debate with your ignorant distractions You are NOT making any point that I have not already addressed (likely several times), so in that regard, you have gotten the last word, except that technically this post does happen to come after your post so that might inspire you to repeat your baloney one more time. ::) ::) :D :D :D :D Since I am having so many funzies going back and forth with you with basics and repetition, franky1, please feel free to wake me up, when you have something (likely further nonsense) that might possibly be new that you feel that you have to say. ;) :D :D :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on June 30, 2020, 05:25:11 AM What if the "4D Chess game" being played here by Craig Wright and his minions is to make the case a supreme example that a judge can rule who owns which coins in the network.
Dangerous for Bitcoin's censorship-resistance, and renders decentralization useless. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 30, 2020, 05:52:52 AM Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now. i understand that psychology but ira isnt even asking for CSW to pay 410k coins(50% of 820k) ira is trying to get a judge to rule that there was a partnership, without proof.. end of the old game of 'lack of proof infers proof' game CSW has been playing for 4 years it would be different if iras team were asking for 50% of the assets to be handed to daves estate it would be different if iras team were asking for 410k coins it would be different if ira's team were asking CSW to buy out 50% it would be different if ira's team were asking for compensation but none of these apply the only request being made is to get a judgement that CSW&dave partnership owns bitcoin and IP and all other things involved .. see the difference Before the court can rule about the compensation, it is necessary to define the legal status of the partnership Dave Kleiman/CSW. Most people here know, that CSW used a regular font as Dave's signature, which would mean, that this contract about the partnership is NOT valid. This would be pretty easy to prove for Ira, but he has certainly no interest in proving that there was no partnership, because this would mean that CSW owns 100% of the Bitcoins and the case would be closed. Sure, these Bitcoins most likely are not under Craigs control, but how can Ira know this with certainty? And again: It is not in Ira's interest to prove that these Bitcoins are NOT controlled by CSW. Even if Craig now comes out and says he lied (the reason maybe autism) and never controlled those Bitcoins, the jugde might think, that this is just an obvious tactic to avoid paying Ira's share. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on June 30, 2020, 06:26:08 AM Just think about what you would do in Ira's situation. If my brother died and sombody claims he had half of 1 million Bitcoins, I would certainly go to court and try to claim ownership of that money. Even if it looks like the money doesn't exist and the guy who is probably controlling these Bitcoins is a pathological liar. If the court rules that somebody owns me 500000 Bitcoins, it doesn't matter if he actually has the money to pay me right now. i understand that psychology but ira isnt even asking for CSW to pay 410k coins(50% of 820k) ira is trying to get a judge to rule that there was a partnership, without proof.. end of the old game of 'lack of proof infers proof' game CSW has been playing for 4 years it would be different if iras team were asking for 50% of the assets to be handed to daves estate it would be different if iras team were asking for 410k coins it would be different if ira's team were asking CSW to buy out 50% it would be different if ira's team were asking for compensation but none of these apply the only request being made is to get a judgement that CSW&dave partnership owns bitcoin and IP and all other things involved .. see the difference Before the court can rule about the compensation, it is necessary to define the legal status of the partnership Dave Kleiman/CSW. Most people here know, that CSW used a regular font as Dave's signature, which would mean, that this contract about the partnership is NOT valid. This would be pretty easy to prove for Ira, but he has certainly no interest in proving that there was no partnership, because this would mean that CSW owns 100% of the Bitcoins and the case would be closed. Sure, these Bitcoins most likely are not under Craigs control, but how can Ira know this with certainty? And again: It is not in Ira's interest to prove that these Bitcoins are NOT controlled by CSW. Even if Craig now comes out and says he lied (the reason maybe autism) and never controlled those Bitcoins, the jugde might think, that this is just an obvious tactic to avoid paying Ira's share. This is a sensible digest of what is going on. And again franky is wrong as he didn't perform the necessary RESEARCH to educate himself on the reality of the situation. From the original complaint (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/1/kleiman-v-wright/) submitted by Ira's attorneys in 2018: Quote Plaintiff demands judgment against Defendant for the value of the wrongfully retained Bitcoin and IP, together with court costs, interest, and any other relief this Court deems just and proper. Obviously they are asking for compensation. Everything else... yes, they need to determine who had what and when through the process of discovery. To pretend this isn't 100% about money is completely ridiculous. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DoubleEdgeEX on June 30, 2020, 06:44:01 AM It´s like that pic shows: https://ibb.co/mtGjpCB
Some people just poop out of the wrong end Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: kakonhat on June 30, 2020, 06:44:40 AM I think real Satoshi will not disclose himself because of everything. Satoshi knows what will happen if he appears on the public. Without Satoshi know to have access to control the Bitcoin, I mean no one can stop the network. Also, satoshi knows that world needs freedom economy. That's why I like his intelligence.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 30, 2020, 04:24:40 PM and while certain people keep circling the endless squabble over 'its about the money'
the point is this case is if a judge makes an order that dave&CSW were the creators that piece of paper would get taken straight to the patent office and the trademark office and establish CSW as the bitcoin creator then the patent troll cases will ensue while certain people on other pages will start saying 'yea but um but um maybe IRA can then go to court to then um maybe um ask for payment' the game is already over dave and CSW already achieved their goal we all know IRA doesnt actually have a legal claim of 50% of coins. because we know CSW never had them. HE IS NOT NOR EVER WAS SATOSHI so trying to make it about IRA needs to win to then get paid.. is foolish drama to hand CSW legal judgement that he created bitcoin.. is not a win for the community. nor is it actual punishment for CSW certain people in this tpic are trying to promote the agenda as 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 4. ira then punishes CSW for not paying coins .. reality is 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. ofiiciate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible i know certain people are iffing and butting and could be and maybe the point 4.. but concentrate on point 3abcd if all you want is to promote point 4.. ill give you a spoiler ira will never get 410k coin never. impossible anything in 4 and beyond is just speculation and fantasy. what the community need to be aware of is points 3b 3c 3d as thats the more true ending to the story if 3a occurs Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on June 30, 2020, 05:04:42 PM 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. ofiiciate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible You literally cannot prove that your theory is true. You are GUESSING that's what the case is about. All you have are stories of intrigue and no evidence. Please learn the difference between theory and reality. The irony that you're commenting on a court case, where things like evidence are actually rather important, is clearly lost on you. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on June 30, 2020, 06:09:11 PM and while certain people keep circling the endless squabble over 'its about the money' it is. the point is Yes. Good luck to you and your buddies with that. You will need it.this case is if a judge makes an order that dave&CSW were the creators that piece of paper would get taken straight to the patent office and the trademark office and establish CSW as the bitcoin creator then the patent troll cases will ensue while certain people on other pages will start saying 'yea but um but um maybe IRA can then go to court to then um maybe um ask for payment' Of course, he wants payment, but he would likely be willing to settle for less. You are correct. Frequently, settlements will be less than full judgement because parties would rather pay less than both go through further litigation and also experience uncertainties around actually being able to collect, versus having the party directly pay you voluntarily. the game is already over dave and CSW already achieved their goal I thought that dave died.. You mean Ira? Ira did not get paid, yet. I recall that they had settled last year, and then CSW backed out.. and made some mumbo jumbo lame ass excuses, which largely were likely ways to just delay a ruling and attempt to play the matter for some more drama. we all know IRA doesnt actually have a legal claim of 50% of coins. because we know CSW never had them. HE IS NOT NOR EVER WAS SATOSHI It helps Ira's case, if CSW is proclaiming both things. so trying to make it about IRA needs to win to then get paid.. is foolish drama Of course, it is foolish, and maybe that is why it had settled initially... but what you gonna do? Ira wants to get paid. That seems pretty clear, otherwise he would not have bothered bringing the case, and now that he has invested into litigation, received a few rulings in his favor, and has seen how stupid various CSW defenses are, it makes it more likely that Ira is not going to give up on his claims to get paid.. and he might even be locked into litigating partially because the attorneys want to get paid.. especially for a lot of work that they already did (and expenses that they have incurred). to hand CSW legal judgement that he created bitcoin.. is not a win for the community. Why would they care about the community? That is not one of the calculations of either side. At least not a major one. nor is it actual punishment for CSW Seems like punishment if he cannot pay, and maybe he could end up in jail because it is so much money to owe. Of course, he could liquidate all of his assets. That seems like punishment to me. certain people in this tpic are trying to promote the agenda as 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 4. ira then punishes CSW for not paying coins Does not matter too much what we say. The parties are going to do what they are going to do. .. reality is 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. ofiiciate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible Reality according to franky1. what a world. what a world. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/03/aa/2b03aa9920c01f79bb56b81826d01fd4.jpg i know certain people are iffing and butting and could be and maybe the point 4.. but concentrate on point 3abcd if all you want is to promote point 4.. ill give you a spoiler ira will never get 410k coin never. impossible anything in 4 and beyond is just speculation and fantasy. what the community need to be aware of is points 3b 3c 3d as thats the more true ending to the story if 3a occurs Makes me sad. :'( :'( :'( Especially on the inside. :'( Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on June 30, 2020, 07:13:15 PM 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. officiate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible You literally cannot prove that your theory is true. You are GUESSING that's what the case is about. All you have are stories of intrigue and no evidence. The irony that you're commenting on a court case, where things like evidence are actually rather important, is clearly lost on you. 1,2,3a are whats shown in case documents .. heck its in the screen shot your ignorantly cant read. refuse to read.. but its right there 3b 3c 3d are all known things that CSW wants to do once he has a legal proof a patent office and trademark office would accept(his game plane since 2016) but seems your certain group of friends unable to have a thought outside of your buddy group, fail to even grasp the obvious weirdest thing is you seem to care more about kissing your buddies ass than you do about bitcoin. yet again funniest part is how juan is thinking that CSW will get punished after 3a. thats a win for CSW.. ira is asking for exactly what CSW wants Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on June 30, 2020, 08:22:35 PM and while certain people keep circling the endless squabble over 'its about the money' ...Blah... You seem to be talking about yourself, because you are the one 'circling the endless squabble' about a shitty theory that makes no sense and you seem to be stuck in this idea, that you need to defend your rubbish thoughts in endless repeating posts. Is it because you only want to be right and the rest of the users in this topic are wrong? Why this fighting about a theory that has no proof? Maybe you should go and talk to a shrink about it. Remember when I posted a link to a very well known website (Cryptome) and you attacked me, saying that I am only doing it to promote my own website? Not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it has been branded in your brain, just like this theory about the collusion Ira/CSW. Narcissist never change, because they are trapped in their own opinion, which - to them - has more value than anybody elses. Take me for example. I am not narcisstic like you. If it turns out that Ira and Craig are colluding I am probably the first one admitting that you were right. I don't expect the same from you, when your theory turns out to be complete bs. You will go silent about it and probably switch to your next fixed idea. I'm done with this topic until the judge takes a decision. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 01, 2020, 07:02:59 AM 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. officiate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible You literally cannot prove that your theory is true. You are GUESSING that's what the case is about. All you have are stories of intrigue and no evidence. The irony that you're commenting on a court case, where things like evidence are actually rather important, is clearly lost on you. 1,2,3a are whats shown in case documents .. heck its in the screen shot your ignorantly cant read. refuse to read.. but its right there 3b 3c 3d are all known things that CSW wants to do once he has a legal proof a patent office and trademark office would accept(his game plane since 2016) but seems your certain group of friends unable to have a thought outside of your buddy group, fail to even grasp the obvious weirdest thing is you seem to care more about kissing your buddies ass than you do about bitcoin. yet again funniest part is how juan is thinking that CSW will get punished after 3a. thats a win for CSW.. ira is asking for exactly what CSW wants Learn English. I'm not saying what you're suggesting is impossible. It MIGHT turn out to be true. But there's still a large gulf between MIGHT and REALITY. You have a really annoying habit of jumping to conclusions. It makes you look unhinged. It's why no one takes you seriously. Stop. This is clearly a "wait and see" situation, so stop treating it like a foregone conclusion. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 01, 2020, 07:45:18 AM 1. make a case about coins and IP 2. argue about evidence of coins and IP 3a. get judge to default in favour there is coins & IP 3b. ofiiciate the IP with patent & trademark office to legalise the partnership 3c. patent troll any dev or any user they can 3d. ruin the community by every means possible You literally cannot prove that your theory is true. You are GUESSING that's what the case is about. All you have are stories of intrigue and no evidence. Please learn the difference between theory and reality. The irony that you're commenting on a court case, where things like evidence are actually rather important, is clearly lost on you. I believe franky1 has a point. Tin-foil hats on, but the Borat-like character played by Craig Wright is not what it seems. There's a deeper motive under the silliness of the character, and his claims. Plus why did Gavin Andresen risk destroying his own reputation by vouching for him? There's something the community shouldn't know. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 01, 2020, 10:27:29 AM Learn English. I'm not saying what you're suggesting is impossible. It MIGHT turn out to be true. But there's still a large gulf between MIGHT and REALITY. You have a really annoying habit of jumping to conclusions. It makes you look unhinged. It's why no one takes you seriously. Stop. This is clearly a "wait and see" situation, so stop treating it like a foregone conclusion. and the funny galaxy wide gap that you keep skipping is the community know its not about money because we all know CSW doesnt have any. HE DOES NOT HAVE A STASH OF COINS so while your small minded group think its about ira trying to get 410k the rest of us smarter people know that there is no 410k coins that ira can/will get the game at hand is about the intellectual property and the title of being declared bitcoins creator that is the reality That is the while scenario that has in this reality been playing out for the last 4 years. its all about trying to get a judgement that CSW was part of bitcoins creation. so that he can patent troll the community. but hey. if you really think that somewhere somehow CSW has got 820k and thats what ira is fighting a share of.. well sucks to be you the rest of the community figured out that he was a scammer and not the creator and not having any 2009-10 stash within hours of his claims. are you really that stuck in 2015-16 promo material?? (no need for an answer. your opinions over the last 4 years have shown you still think bitcoin is the same as it was in 2015 and that CSW claimed to be part of the bitcoin creation and you are yet to "wait and see" for the proof and the spending of the coins by the partnership(facepalm)) meanwhile the rest of the community are concentrating on the ramifications of getting judgement in BOTH ira and CSW favour. and then using that judgement to legalise it at the patent/trademark offices. and then go on a patent troll war with all devs and software companies but you will just think its about ira getting 410k coins(facepalm) foregone conclusion: no if's no buts no maybes CSW/dave never mined 'the satoshi stash' CSW/dave never created bitcoin ira knows CSW never did. the world outside the courtroom knows inside the courtroom yea everyone wants to get paid something somewhere the only way IRA gets paid. 1. as a thankyou bribe from CSW for playing his game 2. for validating the partnership and they both patent troll the community and share the settlements when both CSW side is saying he was part of bitcoin creation. and ira side is saying CSW was part of the bitcoin creation. but maybe his brother was too its not a fight over is CSW the bitcoin creator. its a fight over how much involvement dave had. IRA has not ever argued or claimed that CSW had no involvement. so that is not one of the claims/charges against CSW so the two options are: 1. partnership validated by default 2. case dismissed due to lack of evidence CSW was even bitcoins creator the is no third option where ira changes charges to be that CSW never was/had any assets to share again IRA is not even proceeding down the path that lack of evidence is proof of no involvement and again ira is not proceeding down the path that CSW scammed the whole thing. and seeks damages from wasting ira's time of hanging an empty carrot of 410k infront his nose yes i can see the psychology and hope and if and but and speculation that some small minded people think ira will change paths and just ask for damages for time wasting with the empty carrot on a stick games but its obvious that ira gets more 'value' by becoming part of a patent troll scheme of being co-owner of bitcoins IP.. or being given a golden handshake for helping to legalise the bitcoin IP into CSW ownership Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 01, 2020, 10:52:06 AM Plus Craig Wright knows that he will never have control over the private keys of the coins he claimed was owned by him. Why, and what is the true motive? Who is behind it?
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 01, 2020, 12:01:00 PM Edit: After posting this, I realized Wind_FURY may just be asking a rhetorical question, but oh well, I already typed all this out, so please bear with me.
Plus Craig Wright knows that he will never have control over the private keys of the coins he claimed was owned by him. Why, and what is the true motive? Who is behind it? He was behind it first, and now Calvin is behind him along for the ride. The whole ATO saga makes it apparent that he's always been a con artist, albeit admittedly a bit more clever of one than most. Calvin understands the marketing power of a great backstory. Back in his Bodog days, he used to publish stories under the pseudonym Cole Turner, who was the adventuring, Indiana Jones-type "CEO" of the company. https://www.fastcompany.com/898669/personality-behind-online-gaming-site-bodog Quote Collaborating with his friend Christopher Costigan of Gambling911.com, a popular industry news site, he created a public alter ego, Cole Turner the CEO, and faked elaborate adventures that Bodog users could follow online. There was a 2003 party excursion to Cambodia pitched to the Web audience as an expedition gone awry, involving hookers, terrorists, opium smugglers, and, ultimately, Turner’s kidnapping. Ayre dressed hotel employees as gun-toting rebels and posted the photos. At least one concerned customer phoned to plead for the release of Bodog’s beloved faux CEO. “I said, ‘Man, it’s kind of embarrassing, but I’ll do it,’ ” Costigan recalls. “I remember people asking if it’s really happening. I’m like, ‘Are you kidding me? You actually believe this stuff?’ ” In 2004, Ayre outed Turner, then picked up the old boy’s fedora himself, flaunting a playboy lifestyle under his own name and modeling himself after his two idols, Hugh Hefner and Richard Branson — hiding nothing while exaggerating everything. “There is no personal in my life,” he told me. We needn't look any further to understand what the "true motive" is: money... Well, maybe not just "money" but rather obscene wealth, undue recognition and being able to enjoy the other benefits of being a cult figure. It might be understandable to think there is some deeper motive at play here, given how bad Craig has bungled his Faketoshi exploits, but he couldn't trick the ATO into believing he was a legitimate businessman and I believe its more likely he is just a victim of his own incompetence, both then and now. And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. Even a settlement doesn't mean anything about Craig being Satoshi was ruled by the court. It's a misunderstanding of the legal process to assume that it does. Not only did the judge say he doesn't believe the Tulip Trust exists, he said he would make no ruling on whether or not Craig is Satoshi upon issuing the default judgment against Craig. There's no reason to believe this would change a second time around. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 01, 2020, 03:36:24 PM And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. yep i called it. certain idiots actually think CSW&dave actually developed and actually mined in 2009-2010 (facepalm) now thats what i call ignorant conjecture yet reality is clear the CSW game of the last 4 years is very publicly known and been played many times. no conjecture. its clear. i seriously cant believe people actually think CSW&dave actually had some involvement of developing bitcoin. no wonder he cant understand whats actually been said Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 02, 2020, 06:49:16 AM And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. yep i called it. certain idiots actually think CSW&dave actually developed and actually mined in 2009-2010 (facepalm) now thats what i call ignorant conjecture yet reality is clear the CSW game of the last 4 years is very publicly known and been played many times. no conjecture. its clear. i seriously cant believe people actually think CSW&dave actually had some involvement of developing bitcoin. no wonder he cant understand whats actually been said No, it's still a only theory, but I do agree. What's the true purpose of this Borat-like character? Who's behind him? Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for him? Who's behind him as well? Edit: After posting this, I realized Wind_FURY may just be asking a rhetorical question, but oh well, I already typed all this out, so please bear with me. Plus Craig Wright knows that he will never have control over the private keys of the coins he claimed was owned by him. Why, and what is the true motive? Who is behind it? He was behind it first, and now Calvin is behind him along for the ride. Who's behind Calvin Ayre? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 02, 2020, 07:11:18 AM no wonder he cant understand whats actually been said The irony is too much to bear. No, it's still a only theory, but I do agree. What's the true purpose of this Borat-like character? Who's behind him? Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for him? Who's behind him as well? Edit: After posting this, I realized Wind_FURY may just be asking a rhetorical question, but oh well, I already typed all this out, so please bear with me. Plus Craig Wright knows that he will never have control over the private keys of the coins he claimed was owned by him. Why, and what is the true motive? Who is behind it? He was behind it first, and now Calvin is behind him along for the ride. Who's behind Calvin Ayre? Why does someone have to be behind everybody? Who's behind the Illuminati? Who's behind the Lizard People? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 02, 2020, 06:31:28 PM Who's behind Calvin Ayre? reading the ACTUAL DOCUMENTS there are a couple 'investment guys' names that pop up what nutildah also does not realise is 1. CSW never invented bitcoin(but nutty thinks he might have(facepalm)) 2. that CSW faked making it(but nutty is unsure(facepalm)) 3. he scammed the ATO, he scammed calvin, he scammed 'the investment guys' 4. they all know he scammed them. but they are told if they play along they will get rich from the patent trolling and media story revenues in the future heck even IRA knows he wont see an of the 410k because there is n actual 820k accessible by CSW. never was IRA can only really feel like making any large income from joining CSW patent troll scam but hey nutty thinks IRA was related to the real satoshi and ira will be getting paid from a supposed stash of 820k coin(facepalm) very silly nutty has become. the games have been clear for 4 years. but nutty is stuck with the maybe's and if's of speculation. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on July 02, 2020, 07:34:13 PM Who's behind Calvin Ayre? reading the ACTUAL DOCUMENTS there are a couple 'investment guys' names that pop up what nutildah also does not realise is 1. CSW never invented bitcoin(but nutty thinks he might have(facepalm)) 2. that CSW faked making it(but nutty is unsure(facepalm)) 3. he scammed the ATO, he scammed calvin, he scammed 'the investment guys' 4. they all know he scammed them. but they are told if they play along they will get rich from the patent trolling and media story revenues in the future heck even IRA knows he wont see an of the 410k because there is n actual 820k accessible by CSW. never was IRA can only really feel like making any large income from joining CSW patent troll scam but hey nutty thinks IRA was related to the real satoshi and ira will be getting paid from a supposed stash of 820k coin(facepalm) very silly nutty has become. the games have been clear for 4 years. but nutty is stuck with the maybe's and if's of speculation. C'mon Franky, noone here believes, that CSW is the inventor of Bitcoin and also noone here believes that CSW has 820k Bitcoin. Are you really that stupid? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 02, 2020, 07:43:49 PM And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. The amusing thing here is that the plaintiff (and the court!) are allowed to take the defendant's word for it when they want to.If I go announcing from the rooftops that you and I had a partnership that earned 20 billion dollars which I have in my possession, even though it's all a total lie you can go to court and sue me for your half of the 20 billion and likely win. Unless I recant my claims I'm going to be screwed: Because there never was a partnership I won't be able to prove that its terms didn't entitle you to an equal share, nor will I be able to demonstrate that I paid you out-- or any of the other facts that would otherwise move things from the default assumption that half of the proceeds from our partnership were yours. In fact, if I try to prove those things, I'll just make myself look more and more dishonest as you continue to show those proofs were forgeries. -- and that is exactly what has happened in Wright's case. So even though that 20bn doesn't exist it would be utterly unsurprising that the court would go ahead and award you 10bn plus damages. Now, you can't collect that 10bn (because it doesn't exist) but you can go ahead and collect from me whatever I do have-- by getting court orders to seizes assets or garnish wages. The courts are an adversarial system. The court itself isn't trying to get at the truth, it's just arbitrating legal combat between the parties. In the US (and generally, common law) tradition you're totally free to screw yourself over, if you so choose. If someone wants to tell a dumb lie and stick to it, the court is happy to let them suffer the consequences. Wright could have avoided all this by simply responding to the lawsuit by admitting that he was committing fraud on the ATO and his investors, that he and Dave's "partnership" was limited to some failed government bids, and that they didn't mine any Bitcoin much less create the Bitcoin system. ... but if he did that he'd expose himself to criminal prosecution, destroy any potential for future income, and potentially even get himself assassinated by one of his shady victims. With that trade-off its not hard to see why he'd choose to roll the dice and risk a likely civil judgement of tens of billions. C'mon Franky, noone here believes, that CSW is the inventor of Bitcoin and also noone here believes that CSW has 820k Bitcoin. Are you really that stupid? Indeed. The problem is that franky himself is just barely quick enough to avoid falling for it, so he can't comprehend that the people he's arguing with-- whom he has zero respect for-- had a much easier time seeing through that fraud.Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 02, 2020, 07:50:18 PM im not the one thats confused on the issue
gmax for once is 90% right with the last post. however this case is nt about giving IRA 410k coins. its about declaring the IP of bitcoin as belonging to both IRA and CSW while you lot cry about the coins. your missing the point about the IP anyway another example of how some people are not 100% knowing that the trust was all a lie is when certain people say things like nutildah: the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. .. 'half of whatever the court finds was developed during their partnership 'likely nothing' nutty still unsure?? again nutty is thinking the coins will catch him out.. but only after legitimising the IP claim not realising the legitimising of the partnership. is the game win for CSW, .. oh and for IRA see its nutty thats confused and things there was a partnership and thinks theres something to find nutty is the one with the if's and maybe's it was me that in this topic was pointing out that its not to do with the coins. because the reality is there are none ira knows this too. the point is if the 'partnership' is validated. then that validation is then legalised in a dcument that can then be used at a patent office as 'proof' to say CSW was involved. and then the patent trlling begins again CSW game for last 4 years. i said my stance so many times. and it has not changed. but a certain few others love their 'if's and maybes. and hopes IRA gets 410k coins. a certain few others love their if's and maybes that the court will find something abut the partnership developments. (facepalm) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 02, 2020, 08:00:00 PM but a certain few others love their 'if's and maybes. and hopes IRA gets 410k coins. That isn't what anyone is saying.Courts do not award specific performance, they award cash damages. (Though parties can agree to accept specific performance in lieu of cash damages). When wright loses his case because he himself claimed a partnership existed and then submitted mountains of provably forged documents, the court will order him to pay damaged based on the courts findings (which are ultimately based on wright's own claims). It doesn't matter than the Bitcoin wright claims to own doesn't exist. In the likely case Wright loses the plaintiff get awarded a judgement on the order of 15-25 billion dollars (highest value of the stolen assets times three, which is a usual penalty for theft accompanied by fraud). Wright won't be able to pay it, obviously, but with that judgement in hand the plaintiff will be able to go and attempt seize whatever assets wright does own as well as garnish his income. Presumably the plaintiff did the math and believes that they'll be able to extract enough to pay for their legal costs. Just a couple million dollars would be enough to make it worthwhile, based on what nchain is paying wright (500k GBP/yr or something like that, per discovery) this doesn't sound like a totally insane plan. I think it is unlikely that the plaintiff will lose at this point: When you destroy or fake evidence in a civil trial that evidence is presumed to be prejudicial to your interest (otherwise, why would you have faked it)-- and Wright has dug himself in really deep now with forgeries and evasion. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 02, 2020, 08:03:42 PM lets word it in some other more certain group scenario
imagine Doomad wanted to claim that he and nutty and pietre wuiile had a secret partnership to develop segwit code. and wanted default judgement of all IP related to segwit code and all assets held on segwit keys. a few people will think its about the coins.. but other rational minded folk will see its about patent trolling anyone that has ever used segwit. to play the foolish 'damages' claim of coins. first needs to establish the partnership and IP rights. the partnership/IP rights claim is all they actually seek so you can play all you like about later cases of maybe fights for damages. but as soon as you see the accreditation that the partnership is valid and the IP rights are in play. then you will see the patent trolling Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 02, 2020, 08:18:22 PM imagine Doomad wanted to claim that he and nutty and pietre wuiile had a secret partnership to develop segwit code. and wanted default judgement of all IP related to segwit code and all assets held on segwit keys. What it seems like you're missing is that Wright himself claimed many many times that he and Dave partnered to create bitcoin. He did this because he knows he is obviously technically incompetent and knew that few people would ever be convinced he created bitcoin on his own. By virtually defiling the corpse of his dead acquaintance he hoped to add a little credibility to his scam. So a parallel case would be if Doomad claimed he and Pieter created segwit and that Doomad (claimed he) collected a billion dollar payment for this work, and then Pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing) billion. If doomad didn't admit he was lying about the partnership and the money, he might well lose such a case. But the only consequence is that he'd be ordered to pay Pieter. It wouldn't let him go on and cause trouble for anyone else. Quote but other rational minded folk will see its about patent trolling anyone that has ever used segwit. Except no such patent rights can exist. Lets imagine (lol) that Wright actually did create Bitcoin. When he published it to the world his own publication created prior-art which is an absolute bar against patentability. Once a year passed after Bitcoin's release no person in the world, not even Satoshi, could make a valid patent filing about it. If someone tried to litigate over something like that it would be so outrageously false that their attornies might face misconduct charges over it. If the patent system worked like little kids playing "dibbs" then I'd see where your argument came from. But it doesn't. You can't go file valid patents on long ago published things, even if you were the inventor of those things. (and getting sued by someone who might well be a compatriot would never be taken as evidence that you were the inventor of something in someone elses case, regardless) [Source: My partner is a @$@ patent attorney] It is really clear that Wright intends to attempt patent trolling-- or at least intends to convince his victim-investors that he intends to engage in patent trolling, for sure. But most of that appears to be based on a complete and total misunderstanding of the patent system. He also seems to think that he can sue random people and somehow get Satoshi's bitcoin's turned over to him-- or again, intends to convince his victims of this--, but that isn't how the courts or Bitcoin works. It might be the case that the plaintiff also labours under these or related stupidities, but it seems unlikely to me and it doesn't matter if they do because that just isn't how things work. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 03, 2020, 12:26:23 AM imagine Doomad wanted to claim that he and nutty and pietre wuiile had a secret partnership to develop segwit code. and wanted default judgement of all IP related to segwit code and all assets held on segwit keys. What it seems like you're missing is that Wright himself claimed many many times that he and Dave partnered to create bitcoin. He did this because he knows he is obviously technically incompetent and knew that few people would ever be convinced he created bitcoin on his own. By virtually defiling the corpse of his dead acquaintance he hoped to add a little credibility to his scam.yep even within days of the 'signature proof' in 2016 i been calling out on CSW sh!t its nutildah and others that think there was actually a bitcoin partnership. (facepalm) anyway So a parallel case would be if Doomad claimed he and Pieter created segwit and that Doomad (claimed he) collected a billion dollar payment for this work, and then Pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing) billion. If doomad didn't admit he was lying about the partnership and the money, he might well lose such a case. But the only consequence is that he'd be ordered to pay Pieter. It wouldn't let him go on and cause trouble for anyone else. ... gmax says: 'and pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing billions) but we all know in this scenario(pandering to nutty delusion) that pieter relative is not simply asking for half a billion. instead. pieter relative is saying. yes doomad and pieter did create segwit together and we want the court to judge and find the facts to be true that doomad was part of segwits creation. that it was a 50/50 partnership and all IP rights to segwit belong to pieter and doomad that request does not have the words 'doomad needs to pay me half' emphasis it does nt request 'gimme some dollar' pieter relative actual request to the judge. would then actually give doomad some IP rights privilege. pieter relative is not shouting from the rooftops that doomad had nothing to do with coding segwit see the game now?? by use of pieter as a dave character. and segwit code as a bitcoin code IP.. i am not infering that dave did code bitcoin. instead a few nutty epeople think dave could have. so playing into their delusion i am simply trying to show whats actually happening by changing character names into faces of people they know well. to maybe trigger their intelect to start functioining on the details of the request itself igreyed this out as its not the important point of the TOPIC of the game play happening in court. so by greying it out i hope you have the ethical mind for once to not make it into a knit pick of how the characters involved. and instead concentrate on the GAME PLAY at work to get IP rights a better example(not pandering to nuttys delusion).. more realistic to reality is if pieter was anonymous and disapeared in 2017 never coming back and it was a troll case of windfury and doomad claiming they wrote segwit.. they are 'pieter' and how windury is asking a judge to judge 'facts to be true' thats windfury and doomad created segwit and everything related to segwit belngs to windfury and doomad again where the request is to legitimise the windfury/doomad partnership and all 'pieter' IP belong to them as for the 'prior art' clause prior art is now saying 'satoshi invented it. full stop (scenario pieter invented it) but team windfury and doomad want to be proclaimed as being pieter by law. so they can then rampage the community. its not about changing author from 'pieter' to 'windfury/doomad' its having a judges document that says they are 'pieter' so that they can fight any case under 'pieter' in the future, and gain favour of them cases because 'they are pieter and prior art is owned by pieter again for the many posts attempt team windfury is not requesting that he deserves damages in the realm of 50% of all coins on segwit addresses. team windfury is asking the judge to make then 50% partners of 'pieter' and all segwit IP belong to them do you understand the game now that i have made the characters more understandable to your lil group of similar minded friends we all know windfury and doomad dont have the skills and history, personailty to have actually coded segwit themselves. we all know they dont deserve or have IP. but the game is not about the coins. its about being proclaimed as the inventors and IP owners of the code/invention Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2020, 02:16:59 AM yet my post history actually shows for years i been saying that CSW is incompetent and has scammed and lied and has been defiling the dead corpse of someone he claimed was a friend.. This is the same for almost every person here including nutildah. The only exceptions are CSW shills like hv_, and microguy-- I've tagged most with negative trust so you can see them on my ratings.yep even within days of the 'signature proof' in 2016 i been calling out on CSW sh!t its nutildah and others that think there was actually a bitcoin partnership. (facepalm) anyway To the point that wright even paid someone to create an idiotic report (https://www.scribd.com/doc/306521425/Appeal-to-Authority-a-Failure-of-Trust) to try to debunk stuff we've said. So congrats for not being wrong about something for once. :) So a parallel case would be if Doomad claimed he and Pieter created segwit and that Doomad (claimed he) collected a billion dollar payment for this work, and then Pieter turned around and sued doomad for his share of the claimed (and non-existing) billion. If doomad didn't admit he was lying about the partnership and the money, he might well lose such a case. But the only consequence is that he'd be ordered to pay Pieter. It wouldn't let him go on and cause trouble for anyone else. Quote but we all know in this scenario(pandering to nutty delusion) that pieter relative is not simply asking for half a billion. instead. pieter relative is saying. yes doomad and pieter did create segwit together and we want the court to judge and find the facts to be true that doomad was part of segwits creation. that it was a 50/50 partnership and all IP rights to segwit belong to pieter and doomad Quote a better example(not pandering to nuttys delusion).. more realistic to reality is if pieter was anonymous and disapeared in 2017 never coming back and it was a troll case of windfury and doomad claiming they wrote segwit.. they are 'pieter' and how windury is asking a judge to judge 'facts to be true' thats windfury and doomad created segwit and everything related to segwit belngs to windfury and doomad again where the request is to legitimise the windfury/doomad partnership and all 'pieter' IP belong to them Again: No patent right to Bitcoin (or segwit, for that matter) could exist now regardless of who created it because none were applied for by the deadline. Similarly, no copyright of interest can exists because Bitcoin was published under an MIT license. No other kind of IP would be applicable so no IP can exist. You cannot publish something and then ten years later patent it. In most of the world you must apply for the patent before making your work available to the public, in the US the inventor has a one year grace period after their own publication. You're just confusing yourself by making up weird stories and swapping around people and whatnot. Forget about all that shit. If Satoshi were to turn super evil and return and everyone agreed it was actually Satoshi... what "IP rights" thing could he do in relation to Bitcoin? Absolutely fucking nothing. He could suck an egg, but he wouldn't have any relevant rights over Bitcoin. And so no matter how successful Fraudtoshi was as convincing people that he was Satoshi or the plaintiff in the case against him was... none of them would gain anything in terms of "IP rights" to Bitcoin because there is absolutely nothing to be gained. A conman can't gain more rights than Satoshi has by pretending to be Satoshi. Basically you are arguing that Satoshi owns the bitcoin system in some legal sense, this is a nonsense claim that has nothing to do with fraudtoshi. If it were true it would make bitcoin worthless and pointless, but -- fortunately-- there isn't an ounce of truth to it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: rdbase on July 03, 2020, 02:36:44 AM ^^
The problem is Csw thinks he created bitcoin but he has stated he suffers from autism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMJ9yDCTjY This guy calls him a straight out fool who simply doesnt know anything about bitcoin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 03, 2020, 02:50:53 AM And regardless of whatever ignorant nonsense franky is conjecturing, the court doesn't have to rule that Craig is Satoshi or the Tulip Trust exists in order for Ira Kleiman to be entitled to half of whatever it is the court finds was developed during their partnership. We all know its likely nothing, and half of nothing is still nothing, but we'll need to wait for the court to catch on to this. The amusing thing here is that the plaintiff (and the court!) are allowed to take the defendant's word for it when they want to.Don't tell me that you are making franky1's leap of logic here? (I see in your subsequent post(s) that you seem to be making this argument with a kind of hypothetical jest - rather than really believing such a statement, but I will respond anyhow.... see below) The court is not taking defendant's word. They are just narrowing down regarding what is contested, and if certain facts or issues are not contested, then the court does not need to resolve that portion or those issues, unless it is relevant to the case and the court sua sponte believes that it must resolve an issue that is not being raised or contested by the parties (not common that a court will raise sua sponte issues). So, for example, if the court is acknowledging that neither party contests whether Craig is Satoshi and whether Craig had a partnership with dave kleinman, then those issues do not need to be resolved because both parties agree to that part. The court then focuses on the factual parts that need to be resolve in order to make a ruling... However, maybe down the road, the court might determine that something that the parties have agreed to does need to be resolved, then the court will ask the parties to present evidence or to brief on those kinds of questions... otherwise, when the court rules, it may well accept as facts that craig is satoshi and that craig had a partnership with Dave, even though there is no fucking way that those matters could be proven, but for the purposes of the case, it is not centrally material.. even though indirectly the court has conceded those points of the case without ruling on them directly.. These kinds of things happen all the time in the law.. Courts rarely seek clarification of facts that are stipulated by the parties and that are therefore not relevant to the issues that are directly in front of the court to be decided. If I go announcing from the rooftops that you and I had a partnership that earned 20 billion dollars which I have in my possession, even though it's all a total lie you can go to court and sue me for your half of the 20 billion and likely win. Exactly... if you do not contest the partnership and if you do not contest the $20billion that you proclaimed to have in your possession, then you better damned well be ready to pay up your $10billion. ;) Unless I recant my claims I'm going to be screwed: That's right. You are left in a dilemma, and you better decide otherwise you are quite likely to get a judgement for $10billion against you.. maybe even more because you are a pain in the ass, too. Because there never was a partnership I won't be able to prove that its terms didn't entitle you to an equal share, nor will I be able to demonstrate that I paid you out-- or any of the other facts that would otherwise move things from the default assumption that half of the proceeds from our partnership were yours. In fact, if I try to prove those things, I'll just make myself look more and more dishonest as you continue to show those proofs were forgeries. -- and that is exactly what has happened in Wright's case. That's right. CSW has painted his lil selfie into a corner. So even though that 20bn doesn't exist it would be utterly unsurprising that the court would go ahead and award you 10bn plus damages. Now, you can't collect that 10bn (because it doesn't exist) but you can go ahead and collect from me whatever I do have-- by getting court orders to seizes assets or garnish wages. That is be called: koreck. ;) You better gather all your lil items and put up a garage sale for all ur lil tinglies. The courts are an adversarial system. The court itself isn't trying to get at the truth, it's just arbitrating legal combat between the parties. In the US (and generally, common law) tradition you're totally free to screw yourself over, if you so choose. If someone wants to tell a dumb lie and stick to it, the court is happy to let them suffer the consequences. No argument here. Wright could have avoided all this by simply responding to the lawsuit by admitting that he was committing fraud on the ATO and his investors, that he and Dave's "partnership" was limited to some failed government bids, and that they didn't mine any Bitcoin much less create the Bitcoin system. ... but if he did that he'd expose himself to criminal prosecution, destroy any potential for future income, and potentially even get himself assassinated by one of his shady victims. With that trade-off its not hard to see why he'd choose to roll the dice and risk a likely civil judgement of tens of billions. There might have been other options, too... but sure, that was likely one of his other most viable of options.. that was not really a great option, either, as you acknowledge. i said my stance so many times. and it has not changed. but a certain few others love their 'if's and maybes. and hopes IRA gets 410k coins. a certain few others love their if's and maybes that the court will find something abut the partnership developments. (facepalm) Yes. You have stuck to your guns about things that have not happened yet. You have also stuck to your guns about your stupid-ass lame theories that involve the intentions of the parties, including your assertion that Ira's intention is the same as CSW... which is ridiculous on the face and even more ridiculous when you attempt to defend such nonsense that is neither backed up by fact or logic to support your fantasylandia conclusion(s). [various delusional attempts at making analogies] Waste of time to explore these pie in the sky delusional attempts at analogies. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 03, 2020, 06:17:38 AM what nutildah also does not realise is 1. CSW never invented bitcoin(but nutty thinks he might have(facepalm)) 2. that CSW faked making it(but nutty is unsure(facepalm)) 3. he scammed the ATO, he scammed calvin, he scammed 'the investment guys' 4. they all know he scammed them. but they are told if they play along they will get rich from the patent trolling and media story revenues in the future heck even IRA knows he wont see an of the 410k because there is n actual 820k accessible by CSW. never was IRA can only really feel like making any large income from joining CSW patent troll scam but hey nutty thinks IRA was related to the real satoshi and ira will be getting paid from a supposed stash of 820k coin(facepalm) very silly nutty has become. the games have been clear for 4 years. but nutty is stuck with the maybe's and if's of speculation. its nutildah and others that think there was actually a bitcoin partnership. (facepalm) anyway No no no no and a hundred times "no." I never came close to saying any of this or even implying it. Learn to read. I only read this because it was quoted. Not taking you off ignore but I will counter your bullshit about me in other peoples' quotes when I see it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 03, 2020, 07:30:31 AM no wonder he cant understand whats actually been said The irony is too much to bear. No, it's still a only theory, but I do agree. What's the true purpose of this Borat-like character? Who's behind him? Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for him? Who's behind him as well? Edit: After posting this, I realized Wind_FURY may just be asking a rhetorical question, but oh well, I already typed all this out, so please bear with me. Plus Craig Wright knows that he will never have control over the private keys of the coins he claimed was owned by him. Why, and what is the true motive? Who is behind it? He was behind it first, and now Calvin is behind him along for the ride. Who's behind Calvin Ayre? Why does someone have to be behind everybody? Because Craig Wright/Calvin Ayre firmly stays with their narrative, despite the evidence against them, and clearly they themselves know they aren't fooling anyone? YES there's someone, and with a hidden motive. Quote Who's behind the Illuminati? Who's behind the Lizard People? I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Why did Satoshi leave? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 03, 2020, 09:42:50 AM Why does someone have to be behind everybody? Because Craig Wright/Calvin Ayre firmly stays with their narrative, despite the evidence against them, and clearly they themselves know they aren't fooling anyone? YES there's someone, and with a hidden motive. Quote Who's behind the Illuminati? Who's behind the Lizard People? I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Why did Satoshi leave? OK well technically you are right as Craig has financiers that backed him under the pretense that he is Satoshi -- I forgot about that. They were referred to in Gavin's testimony as "The Money Men." Andrew O'Hagan even referred to them in his Satoshi Affair (https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v38/n13/andrew-o-hagan/the-satoshi-affair) book back in 2016. https://www.shortlist.com/news/julian-assange-andrew-o-hagan-books-satoshi-bitcoin-interview Quote The money men behind Craig Wright had absolved him off of his dues, writing off nearly $15 million in debt that Wright’s companies had racked up. $1.5 million had gone to Wright’s lawyers alone. The reason for backing him? To them, he was Satoshi Nakamoto. The intellectual property belonging Satoshi Nakamoto, they believed, would fetch them upwards of a billion dollars. ... Wright’s financial backers planned to move Wright to London (which they did) to “set up a research and development centre for him, with around thirty staff working under him,” O’Hagan wrote. They would complete the work on his inventions and patent applications – he appeared to have hundreds of them – and the whole lot would be sold as the work of Satoshi Nakamoto, who would be unmasked as part of the project. He added: MacGregor [Wright’s Canadian backer] later told me he was speaking to Google and Uber, as well as to a number of Swiss banks. ‘The plan was to package it all up and sell it,’ Matthews told me. ‘The plan was never to operate it.’ Here's a good jumping off point (https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bitcoin-wright-patents/bitcoin-creator-races-to-patent-technology-with-gambling-tycoon-idUKKBN1691AY) for those inclined to do further research: Quote Australian Stefan Matthews, who began working for Ayre in 2011, was a director of EITC Holdings until at least late 2016. It isn’t clear if he’s still associated with the company. Canadian Robert MacGregor, another long-term Ayre associate, was a director of EITC Holdings until mid-April 2016. The documents do not disclose the shareholders of the company. Matthews and MacGregor appear with Wright in a June 2015 photograph seen by Reuters. Neither man responded to requests for comment. Sources familiar with the company said they had gone to some lengths to avoid their roles in EITC being discovered. Here's an interesting reveal: EITC Holdings became nChain. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-wright-fund-exclusive/exclusive-company-behind-bitcoin-creator-sold-to-private-investors-idUSKBN17F26V Quote Reuters previously identified nChain, formerly known as EITC Holdings, as Wright’s vehicle for filing hundreds of bitcoin and blockchain-related patents. UK records confirm that the target company - under both its EITC and nChain names - already filed more than 80 bitcoin and blockchain-related patents. A person close to the deal said $300 million had been invested in nChain, but it was not clear over what period of time. So the money men who backed Craig already got what they wanted out of him and now the problem of Faketoshi has been passed down to the private investors of nChain. As far as Gavin is concerned, he (most likely) just played an unwitting role in helping Craig sell the idea that he was Satoshi to the money men. Even though he remains a bit stubborn about the whole signing incident (at which the money men were present), he's more willing now than ever to admit that he was probably "bamboozled." From Gavin's testimony (part 1 (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.590.5.pdf), part 2 (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.590.6.pdf)) : page 131 Quote So the blog post that Craig released was not at all what I expected him to release. I expected him to release a very simple, you know, I am Satoshi, here is some -- here is a simple message signed with an early key from an early block. Instead, he released a very wacky supposed proof that actually wasn't a proof of anything but was incredibly technical and hard to follow, and I was as surprised as anybody to see that. And it -- it took, I don't know, a few hours, a day, for somebody to -- to figure out what all that technical gobbledygook actually meant and to show that it wasn't actually a proof of anything. Q So he didn't even almost prove he was Satoshi? A Correct. Anybody could have produced that gobbledygook proof. Q Why didn't he release a simple signed message? A I don't know. page 157 Quote Q You said that he -- he led you to believe he wanted one thing from you, and really you thought he really wanted something else. A I suspect -- yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, I -- I thought that my piece would be part of a larger whole of him proving beyond a reasonable doubt to the world that he was Satoshi Nakamoto. And I thought that that's what he wanted from me. And then he did not complete the rest of the puzzle, and so that makes me wonder, is that really what he wanted from me, or did he have some other ulterior motive for flying me to London and -- and doing this -- the proof session? And I don't know what that other motive would be. As far as Satoshi... who knows? All we have to go on is his word that he's moved on to other things. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 03, 2020, 03:27:26 PM gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling
(ill link the tactic at bottom. spoilers its not about winning at trial its the pre-trial strategy) firstly. imagine CSW was judged as part of team satoshi he can then go find anyone that tried to file patents in their name. and sue them he can do the same at the trademark office too and then there are the devs and other people involved. CSW could instantly sue GMax for a whole host of reasons all CSW would need is a small amount of grace that he has some relevance to the claims he makes to prevent a patent troll case being instantly dismissed. and then just a story worthy of granting a hearing. yes some countries have anti-slapp rules (only ~60% of USA does) but it seems most people dont realise that 'slapp'ing someone is possible incase people are still unclear of the patent troll game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 03, 2020, 04:09:26 PM gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling I think it's safe to say they have a better grasp of it than you do, as they have already explained where the limitations are and how little faketoshi could achieve in practice if your fairytale story did somehow come true. Another thing we're all very keenly aware of is the game of forum trolling. I suggest you tread carefully, as there are consequences when you lose that game. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 03, 2020, 04:46:58 PM gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling I think it's safe to say they have a better grasp of it than you do, as they have already explained where the limitations are and how little faketoshi could achieve in practice if your fairytale story did somehow come true. Another thing we're all very keenly aware of is the game of forum trolling. I suggest you tread carefully, as there are consequences when you lose that game. well i now understand why you fear not having an independant thought and instead just kiss mod's ass.. you fear the consequences anyway. the whole dream that gmax can fight off any SLAPP by mentioning the MIT licence.. does not equal instant dismissal. read the wiki about slapp. its been pretty dumbed down terminology even the most naive person can understand. like yourself. patent trlls aim is not to win at trial. its to play an opposition at the pre-trial stage. heck. this topics case is a good example of 2 years of drama and back and forth nonsense before even getting to a trial to then have the other side truly defend heck a patent troll can easily word his claims around any MIT licence. by saying a certain person they are suing worked on a project pre licence date and there fore not protected back then.. or was the instigator of stealing confidential info and making it public therefore damaging the first party by making it public. patent trolls have many strategies. and all they need is some legalised notoriety/judgement. valid enough for a court to listen to that they had some involvement in something. for the court to atleast think its worthy of hearing. then the SLAPP begins Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2020, 05:12:19 PM gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling Oh jesus christ. Anyone can sue anyone at any time for any reason. Their bullshit lawsuits will get dismissed, of course, after some cost and expense.(ill link the tactic at bottom. spoilers its not about winning at trial its the pre-trial strategy) Wright's ability to sue is not improved an ounce by claiming to be Satoshi: In fact, if he claims the basis for his lawsuits arise from being Satoshi, he would undermine them and make them much easier to dismiss because the claims would not be timely, because satoshi applied for no patents etc. Quote firstly. imagine CSW was judged as part of team satoshi No court is going to judge that, it's not even a matter on the table in the Kleiman v/ Wright case.he can then go find anyone that tried to file patents in their name. and sue them But even if that somehow happened it would have no effect on patents. EVEN SATOSHI CANNOT FILE (valid) PATENTS ON BITCOIN NOW. Everyone is blocked from filing patents on Bitcoin itself now because bitcoin was made available to the public. Quote he can do the same at the trademark office too No, again, he cannot: Even Satoshi himself could not do that because he has abandoned the mark.Quote CSW could instantly sue GMax for a whole host of reasons No, he cannot, except in so far that anyone can file a frivolous lawsuit. There is nothing he could file against me that wouldn't end up instantly dismissed (and likely end up with him having to pay fees). Quote all CSW would need is a small amount of grace that he has some relevance to the claims he makes to prevent a patent troll case being instantly dismissed. Claiming to be Satoshi would not add grace to a patent lawsuit. In fact, if he claims his patent claim is related to his origination of Bitcoin it will guarantee an immediate dismissal.As I said up-thread, I would totally buy your theory if it weren't for the case that being Satoshi doesn't help a patent claim in court, so fraudulently claiming to be Satoshi woudln't help Wright in court. Instead, all it will do is help him rip off idiots that think Satoshi has (or could have) patent rights over Bitcoin-- so good job helping wright scam people. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2020, 05:39:06 PM I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Because he's an idiot.Quote Why did Satoshi leave? There is an old video where Gavin speculates that Satoshi left because Gavin spoke with the CIA because Satoshi stopped responding to him when he wrote and said he would be meeting with them.Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 03, 2020, 06:37:06 PM Quote Why did Satoshi leave? There is an old video where Gavin speculates that Satoshi left because Gavin spoke with the CIA because Satoshi stopped responding to him when he wrote and said he would be meeting with them.there were posts and emails of satoshis actual words.. where satoshi was also realising too many people were relying on satoshi as a decision maker.. also things like wikileaks accepting BTC was one of the last few posts satoshi made an opinion as being negative for bitcoin before no longer writing on the forum need we forget the actual time line of events. and not the speculation EG way way before april 20th satoshi already left. april 20th Mike hearne asked if he was coming back april 20th satoshi said he moved onto other projects but keys were safe in gavins hands april 27th gavin said he was preparing to talk do a talk at a CIA conference so satoshi left before any CIA drama edit to note the trolling below majority of my psts have been about the legal strategy CSW is playing but a certain group of people have been trying to discuss me.. seems they cant actually think about the topic and instead want to just be trolls oh well ill stick to the actual document words and the actual details. ill leave them to be trolls. seems they have no other hobbies nor friends outside of this forum Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 03, 2020, 06:54:03 PM gmax fails to understand the whole game of patent trolling Yes, of course. Everyone fails to understand a lot of things, but you, franky1, you do not fail to understand. That's for sure. ;) [edited out] Another thing we're all very keenly aware of is the game of forum trolling. I suggest you tread carefully, as there are consequences when you lose that game.hahahahahaha... Yes... frank1, might find out that he is not such an "expert" in forum trolling as he thought he was (aka dunning-kruger effect) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) Poor lil franky1. :'( :'( :'( Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 03, 2020, 10:55:59 PM but keys were safe in gavins hands Stop lying. What "keys"? there are no fucking keys. Unless you mean the alert key-- which many other people, including Theymos and myself had.Mike's claim was that Satoshi told him that he was moving on ... on Apr 23, 2011. Quote april 27th gavin said he was preparing to talk do a talk at a CIA conference Another lie. Gavin's first public announcement was on (or before) April 20th (https://buildingbitcoin.org/bitcoin-dev/log-2011-04-20.html#l-3856), presumably he wrote to Satoshi days prior to that, before accepting:2011-04-20 23:06:11 <gavinandresen> Oh, "they" are already paying attention. I committed a couple of days ago to give a presentation down in DC to some of "them" ... 2011-04-20 23:07:52 <gavinandresen> (at CIA headquarters... no, I'm not making that up) So, if we believe Mike Hearn, we find that Satoshi said that he was moving on immediately after Gavin contacted Satoshi to tell him about the CIA thing. ("If" because we know people have distorted private records when they've published them. And it's not like Mike's ethics are in good standing, e.g. giving vague support to wright by saying that wright is interesting and otherwise 'no comment'). According to Gavin, Satoshi's last message to Gavin was: Quote I wish you wouldn’t keep talking about me as a mysterious shadowy figure, the press just turns that into a pirate currency angle. Maybe instead make it about the open source project and give more credit to your dev contributors; it helps motivate them. Which I think speaks for itself. Pretty unfortunate that Gavin didn't follow Satoshi's advice. Perhaps it was coincidence-- likely even, but back when Gavin wasn't trying to fraudulently convince people that he was Satoshi's appointed successor he, himself, didn't have any problem speculating his decision to meet with the CIA might have triggered Satoshi to bow out (https://youtu.be/1xcMFKfX9ZU?t=1084). Tying the subject back in-- perhaps part of the reason Gavin went along with Wright's claims is the same reason Wright goes along with various crazy things: it was consistent with the bullshit that they'd been slinging for a while previously. I mean, sure, ultimately idioicy underlies all of it-- but "they were stupid" is just too universal of an answer to be satisfying on its own. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 04, 2020, 07:41:05 AM I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Because he's an idiot.Quote Why did Satoshi leave? There is an old video where Gavin speculates that Satoshi left because Gavin spoke with the CIA because Satoshi stopped responding to him when he wrote and said he would be meeting with them. I have heard of that. I'm placing out the thought that the people behind Craig Wright's Borat-like-character-with-unclear-motives might be the same people Gavin has met with in Langley. Tin-foil hats on. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on July 04, 2020, 09:39:55 AM I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Because he's an idiot.Quote Why did Satoshi leave? There is an old video where Gavin speculates that Satoshi left because Gavin spoke with the CIA because Satoshi stopped responding to him when he wrote and said he would be meeting with them. I have heard of that. I'm placing out the thought that the people behind Craig Wright's Borat-like-character-with-unclear-motives might be the same people Gavin has met with in Langley. Tin-foil hats on. I've been pointing that out for a long time. There is no tin foil hat necessary to assume, that Bitcoin affects US national security. In their centralized mindset they might have thought, that by corrupting the 'leaders of Bitcoin' it would be possible to gain control over the network. I would even bet, they are trying very hard to find weaknesses in the source code and/or infiltrate the development process. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 04, 2020, 09:52:08 AM I don't know. Why did Gavin Andresen vouch for Craig Wright? Because he's an idiot.Quote Why did Satoshi leave? There is an old video where Gavin speculates that Satoshi left because Gavin spoke with the CIA because Satoshi stopped responding to him when he wrote and said he would be meeting with them. I have heard of that. I'm placing out the thought that the people behind Craig Wright's Borat-like-character-with-unclear-motives might be the same people Gavin has met with in Langley. Tin-foil hats on. I've been pointing that out for a long time. There is no tin foil hat necessary to assume, that Bitcoin affects US national security. In their centralized mindset they might have thought, that by corrupting the 'leaders of Bitcoin' it would be possible to gain control over the network. I would even bet, they are trying very hard to find weaknesses in the source code and/or infiltrate the development process. I believe they tried finding technical weaknesses first, but found nothing. The next step is the socio-political attack so confusing that it makes gmaxwell and franky1 agree on an issue. 8) We may disagree on who Satoshi truly is, but everyone who is not a Bitcoin flat-Earther can agree who he isn't. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 04, 2020, 04:30:48 PM We may disagree on who Satoshi truly is, but everyone who is not a Bitcoin flat-Earther can agree who he isn't. Actually, you may be raising a decent point here, Wind_Fury. It does not matter who we agree or disagree to be satoshi, at least not in terms of bitcoin and how it works and who has rights. It also does not matter if we agree or disagree about the property rights of bitcoin or who owns which coins or alternative it does not matter how the court rules in that direction or even in the direction of property rights that may be attached. In terms of coin ownership, you either have the keys or you don't, and in terms of the property rights overall, does anyone believe bitcoin is anything other than open source and any traction would come from such a declaration of ruling it to be other than open source? I suppose that the court could make some erroneous conclusions about who supposedly owns certain bitcoin or not, the when push comes to shove, they still have to be able to move the coins, so if they do not really own the coins, then what good could it do for the court to rule that they do own the coins when either someone else has the keys or the keys have been lost/destroyed? I suppose that CSW is hoping for preposterous rulings in his favor that are not possible to enforce, and giving him the option to attempt to play hardball in a variety of respects to nonsensical findings, while the rest of us might be sitting back and investing in popcorn shares, while watching such fruitless and ineffective theatrical outcomes. Sure, after such rulings, Ira could get paid through liquidation of Craigs other assets, if really Craig has been attempting to limit his liability by supposed earlier creation of a variety of companies.. that may or may not save him from getting liquidated, personally.. and which also could take years more to play out. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 05, 2020, 09:19:06 AM This is apparently how the real world works in the minds of (BSV) folks supposedly being well versed and working on 'digital identities' ...
- https://twitter.com/Bitstocks_/status/1279077184670437376 - https://twitter.com/ari_offchain/status/1278607706585169922 "You can compare it with if you lose your house key and I find it... do I have ownership of your house now?" ::) 1. No you don't have ownership of the house, although you might try to steal from it! - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law 2. Your going to need the keys and the deeds for rightful ownership. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed More proof that these people don't understand how identity works in Bitcoin. ... Craig Wright has failed to produce any valid Private Keys or signed messages whatsoever. Is he even in possession of someone else's keys? He has effectively produced false deeds in a court of law though ... Good luck with that! Seriously, do these folks think they are actually getting away with this BS fake news and propaganda ... - https://twitter.com/Bitstocks_/status/1278994265725689856 - https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1279511542451634184 To clarify, Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin. Bitcoin = BTC Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 05, 2020, 09:24:56 PM Another lie. Gavin's first public announcement was on (or before) April 20th (https://buildingbitcoin.org/bitcoin-dev/log-2011-04-20.html#l-3856), presumably he wrote to Satoshi days prior to that, before accepting: 'you presume' yet lets be more specific.. satoshi gave the alert key to gavin way earlier infact it was not even a package deal where you got one too at the same time.. you joined github later.. in like june 2011.. if i recall so i dont know why you felt the need to try to make yourself look like you were one of the chosen by this i mean you didnt have any direct contact with satoshi in the first place. you got a 'hand-me-down' from someone else also funny how satoshi stopped making posts and code updates in december 2010 satoshi also made gavin the main contact on bitcoin.org satoshi gave gavin access to the sourceforge too so when satoshi told hearne he moved on it was past tense.. not 'i will be moving on' or 'im about to move on' he moved on long before april ...... as for the MIT licence.. real funny thing is not so long ago Gmax and his boss were promoting their own patent/licence even saying as much as "What can still be patented are the incremental improvements, complementary technologies, or additional applications of the technologies that are currently being developed. We think the open strategy has been a good one, and we want to ensure that our work can be used to further open development, like Bitcoin itself, rather than risking it being locked up by short-term opportunists." and thats where the lightbulb moment should be. patent trolling anyone that tries to patent the 'incremental improvements complementary technologies, or additional applications of the technologies that are currently being developed' i did find it funny how Gmax says everyones protected by MIT but was happily promoting a DPL wouldnt a DPL be dismissed due to MIT licence.. if we use Gmax's same logic .. as for gmax's assumptions that cases get instantly dismissed as frivolous well this topics case has been going on for 2 years yes we know its frivolous.. but it was not instantly dismissed 2 years ago so assuming that a judge would just throw a case out. is a bad assumption as this case is showing clearly. 2 years of drama and its not even got to the trial stage but wasted many peoples time in the process Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 06, 2020, 03:50:14 AM Man, I love these messages from Franky1 now. Chalk full of easily disproved lies.
yet lets be more specific.. satoshi gave the alert key to gavin way earlier Nope. Gavin received it tacked onto the end of the last email Satoshi sent him. Here is a picture (https://0bin.net/paste/02Rg3eLbgwFmc6SP#AODVtKxyNnj4U75h60Id358iQwcUHTdyvU5FLpm4SZw).Quote you joined github later.. in like june 2011.. if i recall Bitcoin development wasn't originally on github, Satoshi never participated there-- but you can happily see me participating before then e.g. on bitcointalk, the mailing lists, or IRC. ... Mike Hearn didn't first show up on the Bitcoin github until June 2012. Quote also funny how satoshi stopped making posts and code updates in december 2010 That isn't technically true-- though you couldn't be blamed for not knowing it. After Bitcoin started using github Satoshi sent patches to other people that weren't submitted under his name. For example, the transaction signature caching in Bitcoin was one of these email patches.Quote he moved on long before april If you want to call Gavin a liar, by all means. It's not a violation of the laws of physics for you to say something I agree with. But you're not arguing with me here, you're arguing with gavin (https://youtu.be/1xcMFKfX9ZU?t=1084). Quote i did find it funny how Gmax says everyones protected by MIT but was happily promoting a DPL wouldnt a DPL be dismissed due to MIT licence.. if we use Gmax's same logic MIT license is a software license not a patent license (except to the extent a limited implied license may exist). You used the term "IP" vaguely, which could mean patents, copyright, or trademark (or a few other things in backwards freedom hating jurisdictions). Satoshi wouldn't be able to create trouble for Bitcoin from a copyright perspective because of the MIT license. He wouldn't be able to create trouble from a patent perspective because of Bitcoin itself being prior art. And he wouldn't be able to create trouble from a trademark perspective due to abandonment (among other issues). So wright, by pretending to be satoshi, would be in no better a position even if his con was successful (it wouldn't be). Blockstream's patent licensing is like free software licensing, except for patents. Unlike Satoshi, blockstream worked on new things that could potentially have created licensing problems if they weren't freely licensed. Wright hasn't contributed anything new to Bitcoin, so there isn't any risk for his contributions to be patented. And if he did create something new and patented it and alleged Bitcoin used that thing, his claim would no in way be improved by claiming to be Satoshi. Franky, why can't you just admit you were mistaken on something? It's not a crime, it's not even embarrassing. What is embarrassing is you arguing yourself into a loop arguing about a subject you're generally ignorant about with people who have real professional experience in it. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 06, 2020, 07:00:05 AM i did find it funny how Gmax says everyones protected by MIT but was happily promoting a DPL wouldnt a DPL be dismissed due to MIT licence.. if we use Gmax's same logic What is a DPL? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 07:38:43 AM in the past i have owned up to my mistakes.
but funny thing is when your club of people try a little too hard to avoid the actual topic/debate and instead want to make it about my grammar or my opinion, or try to use presumed and probably statements, or even flip floppy statements to make it sound like a debunk. your group are the ones muddying the water. when satoshi emailed gavin. it was not when he was leaving. its when he informed gavin he ALREADY left again it wasnt satoshi singing 'im leaving, on the next train' (present) it was 'ive moved on'(past) let me word it this way satoshis 'trigger' date for pulling back and not involved in the day-to-day of bitcoin was december 2010 again the trigger was in december. gavin didnt even get any CIA request in december what was getting satoshi triggered in december was things like wikileaks and how loads of people were becoming to dependant on satoshi so when he informed people he already retired out of bitcoin was april its like retiring from a job. and months later your co workers ask if your alright because they havnt seen you in the office for a while and then you inform them you already retired. then remembering you still have the namebadge and the key to the executive bathroom in your pocket so you hand them back. your retirement date is not the last communication you make with your co-workers otherwise we could debate your communication dates of blockstream and your supposed retirement date.. (get my point) or should we use the date of when you months later were telling people you moved on and no longer part of blockstream as your new retirement date. if i remember you mentioned it like 10 months later in some conversations (see my point) ........ anyway the flip flop strategy of trying to muddy the water about patent trolls gmax involvement with DPL infers that the MIT/prior art would only cover the early versions of bitcoin. but blockstreams patents/DPL would cover latter incarnations/variants thus opens the gates for patent trolls to fight such. (ding ding. is anyone seeing the attack vector here) can you atleast admit your mistakes that either: MIT/prior art is not immortal hense the possible need for DPL you previously advertised years ago.. or admit that a DPL is never needed as bitcoin and all its updates are protected forever.. like you suggest now pick one.. flip or flop? you cant say bitcoin is locked tight from any legal battle.. and then in same breathe say certain things can lead to patent trolling so need something like a DPL (again do you get my point) i do love the flip floppy statements you made, seems to be a well known strategy to just try muddying the water and not staying ontopic for a certain few people that are in your social group CSW himself years ago was posting how he wants to fight those making latter alterations yes i know he doesnt have much to fight on such as his 'i own the databases' which in itself is a laugh.. but in a courtroom wont get him instantly dismissed should a judgement be made that the IP is CSW/IRA's a patent troll is not about getting their claim to a trial judgement to win. its about having the mere relevance enough to not get auto dismissed a day after filing the claim and try to make requests that happen in their favour before any judgement. again as CSW/IRA case wasnt auto dismissed and has been playing out for a couple years while the world knows CSW wasnt involved as satoshi. just proves that its no auto-dismiss thing. otherwise this 2 year case drama would not have even begun if CSW and ira can keep a case going for 2 years without even having the bitcoin IP legitimised as theirs. imagine the games to be played if they do Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 07:50:12 AM i did find it funny how Gmax says everyones protected by MIT but was happily promoting a DPL wouldnt a DPL be dismissed due to MIT licence.. if we use Gmax's same logic What is a DPL? few years ago Gmax and his (ex)boss were trying to sell/promote the community into adopting a blockstream licence under the guise it would protect them kinda funny really (ex) = unsure. because retirement seems to no longer be linked to when they stop being involved daily. but when their very last possible response months later saying 'i already moved on' is. (in the eyes of gmax, anyway) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 06, 2020, 08:09:13 AM i did find it funny how Gmax says everyones protected by MIT but was happily promoting a DPL wouldnt a DPL be dismissed due to MIT licence.. if we use Gmax's same logic What is a DPL? few years ago Gmax and his (ex)boss were trying to sell/promote the community into adopting a blockstream licence under the guise it would protect them kinda funny really (ex) = unsure. because retirement seems to no longer be linked to when they stop being involved daily. but when their very last possible response months later saying 'i already moved on' is. (in the eyes of gmax, anyway) Maybe you would convince a few more people if you were not speaking in riddles so frequently, but I am afraid that if you define your terms and you spell out what you mean and what you are trying to argue with greater clarity, they you suffer the likelihood that what you are saying makes little to no sense, and that is why you feel a need to ongoingly outline your various ideas (to the extent that there are any ideas) in riddles. You still have not said, what is DPL. >:( >:( >:( Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: sandra_x on July 06, 2020, 08:19:28 AM Craig Wright the Faketoshi. It has been one lie after another. He did mention he will receive a flashdrive/hardrive (containing the private keys) delivered to him that will enable him unlock the satoshi bitcoins, we are still waiting for him to move the bitcoins. We are all Satoshis and that is what is good for the bitcoin space
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 06, 2020, 08:29:24 AM imagine the games to be played if they do This right here is your problem. You imagine a little too much. Then you confuse your imagination with what's actually possible in the real world. Just because you can imagine it, that doesn't automatically make it fact. Seek help if you believe otherwise. The theatre that plays out in your mind is not real. The rest of us can't see it. We can't form conclusions based on your fantasies. Stop expecting that of us. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Searing on July 06, 2020, 08:36:40 AM Craig Wright options 1 and 2. 1) If Craig Wright 'loses' the case with the Kleiman Estate and is forced by the court to pay. (even though can't because NOT Satoshi) he will use this to claim this proves he 'is' Satoshi. :( 2) If Craig Wright 'wins' the case with the Klieman Estate and is NOT forced by the court to pay. (even though again he could not, because he is NOT Satoshi) he will claim that this proves he 'is' Satoshi. :( So no matter what, this 'idiot' is never going to go away unless the 'real' Satoshi signs and address and proves he is the 'real deal'...man I'd love to see Craig Wright 'explain' his way out of that! But until then...this guy will continue to be around in all his 'scummy' glory. :( Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 06, 2020, 08:50:24 AM We may disagree on who Satoshi truly is, but everyone who is not a Bitcoin flat-Earther can agree who he isn't. I suppose that the court could make some erroneous conclusions about who supposedly owns certain bitcoin or not, the when push comes to shove, they still have to be able to move the coins, so if they do not really own the coins, then what good could it do for the court to rule that they do own the coins when either someone else has the keys or the keys have been lost/destroyed? I suppose that CSW is hoping for preposterous rulings in his favor that are not possible to enforce, and giving him the option to attempt to play hardball in a variety of respects to nonsensical findings, while the rest of us might be sitting back and investing in popcorn shares, while watching such fruitless and ineffective theatrical outcomes. An errouneous conclusion of a case which other similar cases "COULD" be based from, and reduce Bitcoin addresses into mere accounts that can legally be "scantioned" and "censored". Remove what "CSW Personally Wants". We don't know his true motives. Man, I love these messages from Franky1 now. Chalk full of easily disproved lies. He's always gaslighting. I learned a lot just by debating him because it forces me to research. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 06, 2020, 09:13:26 AM "Why Kleiman v Wright is a redo of the ATO fraud inquiry.
ATO 2014: "We do not accept that the Seychelles Trust existed" Court Florida 2019: "The totality of the evidence in the record does not substantiate that the Tulip Trust exists" And Craig just keeps doubling down... " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1280049666462224384 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcOeSLHWsAI1QQy?format=png&name=900x900 ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcOei1wWsAAWmf4?format=jpg&name=medium ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcOlrowXsAALtrm?format=png&name=900x900 ::) ... ~ I'm 99.9% sure that whatever else happens the 'real' Nakamoto might show up after all. :D ... Metallica: Nothing Else Matters (Official Music Video) - https://youtu.be/tAGnKpE4NCI Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 09:51:41 AM imagine the games to be played if they do This right here is your problem. You imagine a little too much. Then you confuse your imagination with what's actually possible in the real world. Just because you can imagine it, that doesn't automatically make it fact. Seek help if you believe otherwise. The theatre that plays out in your mind is not real. The rest of us can't see it. We can't form conclusions based on your fantasies. Stop expecting that of us. in this whole topic you have not once talked about the topic of the case of IRA/CSW or referenced any documents or paragraphs of documents i have and its clear BOTH IRA and CSW BOTH want a judge to validate that the partners were part of bitcoins creation. it is other buddies of your that pretend that the nail in the coffin is the imaginary future cases where ira asks for damages. its of your other buddies that flip flop(your trick) that MIT licence is an immortal shield. but then have been advertising their own DPL which have highlighted the whole risk of SLAPP lawsuits heck it doesnt seem they even bother reading what a SLAPP is. to know its not about getting to the end of a trial to get a verdict. but to cause issues for years before even getting to trial and making requests that work in their favour BEFORE trial if you cant see the documents or dont want to actually get involved in the topic. then find another topic. because so far you have added ZERO relevance to the topic the rest of the community know CSW games. they seen him saying how he wants to SLAPP loads of devs but it is funny how certain people think it is actually fine to let a judge rule that CSW is bitcoins creator. funny amazes me how much you guys are happy if bitcoin fails or causes tensions in the community. next time atleast try to bring some relevance to the topic and not just be a flip flop troll Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 10:02:01 AM If Craig Wright 'loses' the case with the Kleiman Estate and is forced by the court to pay. (even though can't because NOT Satoshi) he will IRA has not in the last fortnight asked for 410k coins payout he asked for default judgement in his favour that CSW/DAVE were bitcoins creator meaning: a win for ira and loss to CSW in this case.. is actually a win to CSW in his long con game lets be more exact. losing the case and just paying court costs.. well thats the price of doing business and its something i bet CSW planned out years ago as the cost to receive the title he wants. and thats what his 'money guys' are funding right now. they would have been promised future riches from his story exclusive and his future patent trolls.. if they invest and fund his case now.(same promise he made to calvin basically) decisions about who buys out who from the partnership is for later speculative discussions way outside the scope of this case. so its not about the 410k coins. this case is about the partnership IP and establishing CSW as part of bitcoins creation. BOTH IRA AND CSW want that claim certified by a judge again (avoid repeating in new posts) this case right now. in this reality: is about claiming rights to the partnership of bitcoins IP/creation. after this judgement if judgement is in IRA favour. all that is included in the verdict is that there is a partnership and IRA gets to be part of FUTURE asset decisions if your expecting this trial to be the trial that will see payout/no pay out. you wont. thats for other speculative future scenarios of flip floppers and any smart person knows. if ira is only after money. he would gain more working with CSW on patent trolling than he would trying to get compensation from CSW Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 06, 2020, 10:21:13 AM If Craig Wright 'loses' the case with the Kleiman Estate and is forced by the court to pay. (even though can't because NOT Satoshi) he will IRA has not in the last fortnight asked for 410k coins payout he asked for default judgement in his favour that CSW/DAVE were bitcoins creator meaning: a win for ira and loss to CSW in this case.. is actually a win to CSW in his long con game lets be more exact. losing the case and just paying court costs.. well thats the price of doing business and its something i bet CSW planned out years ago as the cost receive the title he wants. and thats what his 'money guys' are funding right now. they have been promised future riches from his story exclusive and his future patent trolls.. if they invest and fund his case now. decisions about who buys out who from the partnership is for later speculative discussions way outside the scope of this case. so its not about the 410k coins. its about the partnership IP this case right now. in this reality: is about validating and solidifying the partnership of bitcoins IP/creation. after this judgement if judgement is in IRA favour. all that is included in the verdict is that there is a partnership and IRA gets to be part of FUTURE asset decisions if your expecting this trial to be the trial that will see payout/no pay out. you wont. thats for other speculative future scenarios of flip floppers and any smart person knows. if ira is only after money. he would gain more working with CSW on patent trolling than he would trying to get compensation from CSW Let's assume that, tin-foil hats on, franky1's theory is right. gmax, BitcoinFX, JayJuanGee, and all the smart guys, how plausible is that it would end with Craig Wright "owning/controlling Bitcoin's IP"? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 06, 2020, 11:26:46 AM I'm guessing around a 0.00000001% chance that Craig Wright will actually waltz off with any Bitcoin related Intellectual Property in this case.
Craig Wright is not satoshi and he had nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Dave Kleiman is not satoshi either and he had nothing to do with the creation of Bitcoin. One of Dave's hard drives contained a text note which stated "Is this a Satoshi address ..." (in a recent court doc.) ... he was a digital forensic investigator ... Which is why I recall this ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4359615.msg42180805#msg42180805 ... Craig Wright attempting to obtain Bitcoin related Intellectual Property through this court case (now a total farce) is quite clearly the 'end game' to justify his means. He has tried to 'hijack' the Bitcoin project, although he has only provided proven fabrications and circumstantial evidence to date, and therefore he will fail. The only winners in this case are already the lawyers, which is usually the case! ... The patents that both Craig and nChain 'hold' are completely worthless i.e. Prior Art ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216304.msg53820493#msg53820493 Highlights ... "Worthless and unenforceable patents !? - https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/5960/can-i-patent-open-source-project "You can not patent code. You can only patent an invention which is implemented in your code. An invention is a new and unique way of doing something..." ... "... Most of all, it must be something nobody did before. If anyone used the same technique which you describe in your patent, that's called prior art and invalidates your patent..." ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg52932888#msg52932888 Quote: "The bitcoin whitepaper was first distributed by Satoshi Nakamoto on the Cypherpunks mailing list. The mailing list has a Cypherpunks anti-License. http://cypherspace.org/CPL/ ... " ... "Background ... The CPL is written from a mindset which derides the very concept of Intellectual Property restrictions as being incompatible with a free society ..." ... "... Cryptographically assured anonymity and anonymous use of Internet resources mean that denizens of cypherspace can ignore copyright, licenses attempting to control use and distribution of works, and patents on ideas..." ... "... It is not possible to enforce IP laws by calls to government legal systems when the flaunter is strongly anonymous. ..." ... "CSW's and nChain's patents are likely Prior Art i.e. worthless and unenforceable without said cryptographically assured proof." ... Returning to the OP ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.0 CSW has provided zero cryptographically assured proof, to date, whilst others have cryptographically proven him to be a liar and a fraud. ... satoshi, in many respects, was Hal Finney. Nakamoto, the originator, was/is someone else entirely ... N+1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191.0 ... For Whom The Bell Tolls ... - https://youtu.be/eeqGuaAl6Ic Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 06, 2020, 01:06:46 PM and its clear BOTH IRA and CSW BOTH want a judge to validate that the partners were part of bitcoins creation. a) That's not clear at all, that's merely your (seemingly lone) interpretation and no one here is convinced by your claims and b) It doesn't matter what they want. What matters is what they can prove. They're dealing with a judge, not a genie. They don't grant wishes. he asked for default judgement in his favour that CSW/DAVE were bitcoins creator Again, they can ask for anything, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Ira could ask for half the coins in the genesis block, which is impossible, so why aren't you having a shit-fit about that too? Maybe, instead of just blindly asking "what if" and letting your imagination run wild without a hint of limitation or reason, just try considering what's actually practical for once. And, since you seem adamant that any utterance of common sense in opposition to your total lack thereof isn't permitted or justified unless there's some quoting of a legal document from the cases, I give you the following. The courts have expressed zero interest in validating any claims that either party were responsible for Bitcoin's creation, as has already been confirmed to you by the documents you claim to have read: First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. For someone to interpret that as a likelihood that a judge is going to validate faketoshi's claims would suggest they aren't fond of critical thinking and have a flair for the dramatic. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: rdbase on July 06, 2020, 01:12:40 PM Craig Wright options 1 and 2. 1) If Craig Wright 'loses' the case with the Kleiman Estate and is forced by the court to pay. (even though can't because NOT Satoshi) he will use this to claim this proves he 'is' Satoshi. :( 2) If Craig Wright 'wins' the case with the Klieman Estate and is NOT forced by the court to pay. (even though again he could not, because he is NOT Satoshi) he will claim that this proves he 'is' Satoshi. :( So no matter what, this 'idiot' is never going to go away unless the 'real' Satoshi signs and address and proves he is the 'real deal'...man I'd love to see Craig Wright 'explain' his way out of that! But until then...this guy will continue to be around in all his 'scummy' glory. :( So is he what this person was referring to a scummer on the internet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5259965.0 I think we have a new term and craig wright's face should be on the wiki for this one. :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 06, 2020, 01:38:50 PM he asked for default judgement in his favour that CSW/DAVE were bitcoins creator Again, they can ask for anything, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Ira could ask for half the coins in the genesis block, which is impossible, so why aren't you having a shit-fit about that too? Maybe, instead of just blindly asking "what if" and letting your imagination run wild without a hint of limitation or reason, just try considering what's actually practical for once. And, since you seem adamant that any utterance of common sense in opposition to your total lack thereof isn't permitted or justified unless there's some quoting of a legal document from the cases, I give you the following. The courts have expressed zero interest in validating any claims that either party were responsible for Bitcoin's creation, as has already been confirmed to you by the documents you claim to have read: First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. For someone to interpret that as a likelihood that a judge is going to validate faketoshi's claims would suggest they aren't fond of critical thinking and have a flair for the dramatic. I tried explaining to franky earlier that a "default judgment" does not mean that the judge ruled Craig and/or Dave is Satoshi, but he glossed right over it. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/default_judgment Quote Default judgments arise in circumstances whereby one party to a suit has failed to perform a court-ordered action, and subsequently that failure has not only prevented the issue from being presented before the court but also results in the court settling the legal dispute in favor of the compliant party. For example, when a defendant is summoned to appear before the court in a case brought by a plaintiff, but fails to respond to the court's legal order, the judge can rule for default judgment and thereby decide the case in the plaintiff's favor. I think he needs to go back and do some more Research™. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 02:05:23 PM and its clear BOTH IRA and CSW BOTH want a judge to validate that the partners were part of bitcoins creation. a) That's not clear at all, that's merely your (seemingly lone) interpretation and no one here is convinced by your claims guess you are also ignorant of the documents. heck i did even screen shot it because certain people couldnt even page count a pdf file..(or used it as an ignorant excuse to not even read the content of the links) maybe read it first. and see the actual words also your other little dun goofed First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. ill quote you the rest of the page Quote For purposes of this proceeding, the Court accepts Dr. Wright’s representation that he controlled (directly or indirectly) some bitcoin on December 31, 2013, and that he continues to control some today.PROCEDURAL HISTORYThis case arises from a dispute over the ownership of bitcoin and Bitcoin-related intellectual property. Plaintiffs allege in the Second Amended Complaint that David Kleiman and Dr. Wright were partners in the creation of the Bitcoin cybercurrency and that they “mined” (i.e.,acquired) a substantial amount of that currency together.DE 83.Dr. Wright denies any partnership with David Kleiman, and further deniesthat David Kleiman had anownership interest in the bitcoin that was mined. Alternatively, Dr. Wright assertsthat David Kleiman transferred any interest he had in the bitcoinand the intellectual property to Dr. Wright in exchange for equity in a company that ultimately failed.See DE 87.David Kleiman died in 2013 which. thanks to doomad .. debunks nutilduh its not about the coins. or amount of coins or who should pay out the coins or when or how its not about claiming CSW is a username 'satoshi' its about.. wait for it.. take a breathe.. bitcoin IP so dont make out that i am saying this case is about coins. so dont make out im saying this case is about trying to claim that is was CSW physical person at the keyboard writing posts under the username satoshi its actually about the IP rights to the invention named bitcoin. have a nice day though.. one last thought ill leave this last stick on your camp fire for you lot to huddle around and stay warm if the MIT licence was so protective. why just a few years did gmax do these two things 1. promote a DPL 2. forum rage dev's who made clients that simply didnt write the MIT licence if it doesnt matter after the fact 'because prior art'.. 'because MIT licence 2009'. then why did he do those two acts. (hint: because he knows that patent trolls can still SLAPP people for years) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 06, 2020, 02:43:23 PM also your other little dun goofed First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. ill quote you the rest of the page Quote For purposes of this proceeding, the Court accepts Dr. Wright’s representation that he controlled (directly or indirectly) some bitcoin on December 31, 2013, and that he continues to control some today.PROCEDURAL HISTORYThis case arises from a dispute over the ownership of bitcoin and Bitcoin-related intellectual property. Plaintiffs allege in the Second Amended Complaint that David Kleiman and Dr. Wright were partners in the creation of the Bitcoin cybercurrency and that they “mined” (i.e.,acquired) a substantial amount of that currency together.DE 83.Dr. Wright denies any partnership with David Kleiman, and further deniesthat David Kleiman had anownership interest in the bitcoin that was mined. Alternatively, Dr. Wright assertsthat David Kleiman transferred any interest he had in the bitcoinand the intellectual property to Dr. Wright in exchange for equity in a company that ultimately failed.See DE 87.David Kleiman died in 2013 which. thanks to doomad .. debunks nutilduh No it doesn't. Once again you are just seeing what you want to see. The key word is allege (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allege). It's a word you should be familiar with, because that's what you do. The court is not going to rule that those allegations are true. They are simply recording the allegations that have been made. That's common procedure. The court have already said they are not going to do make a ruling on who created Bitcoin. Stop jumping to ludicrous conclusions. its not about the coins. or amount of coins or who should pay out the coins or when or how its not about claiming CSW is a username 'satoshi' its about.. wait for it.. take a breathe.. bitcoin IP No one cares what he claims or alleges over the IP. The judge will not be convinced by such claims. And even if they were, the judge has made it clear that his judgement will have no bearing on such claims. Now either write a screenplay for a fictional drama movie, where your fantasies belong, or come up with something that might actually convince us that you aren't an even bigger nutjob than faketoshi. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 06, 2020, 03:52:17 PM So no matter what, this 'idiot' is never going to go away unless the 'real' Satoshi signs and address and proves he is the 'real deal'...man I'd love to We've already had something which is almost that happened. Craig submitted to the court a huge list of early blocks that he claimed he "satoshi" mined, it got made public, and wham 145 signatures calling Craig a fraud.see Craig Wright 'explain' his way out of that! But until then...this guy will continue to be around in all his 'scummy' glory. :( Wright just claimed he was hacked and the keys were stolen -- never mind that the coins those keys controlled have never been moved. Of course his followers believed it, BSV price didn't even go down. Shit, even the fucking media repeated the lame excuses as if they were credible! So I think we know exactly what would happen in your hypothetical, and it wouldn't put a stop to wright. The media has already shown with wright that they're happen to ignore extremely strong cryptographic evidence (e.g. wrights earlier forgeries or these recent signatures)-- and Joe Sixpack is going to go along with whatever the media is selling. And that is good enough for wright to continue his con in perpetuity. Let's assume that, tin-foil hats on, franky1's theory is right. gmax, BitcoinFX, JayJuanGee, and all the smart guys, how plausible is that it would end with Craig Wright "owning/controlling Bitcoin's IP"? The problem with Franky1's fan fiction isn't what he thinks Wright wants-- that may actually be what Wright wants, or at least what Wright is selling as his plan to some of his sucker-victims. There has been no evidence that Kleiman wants that too, but lets go ahead and pretend he does. The problem is more fundamental and based on Satoshi's lack of applicable intellectual property rights: Satoshi doesn't have and couldn't have any relevant rights to important Bitcoin "IP"-- e.g. after Satoshi published bitcoin without applying for patents, he perpetually lost any ability to do so because Bitcoin itself became prior art--, so a conman can't gain such rights by successfully pretending to be Satoshi.That would be like me trying to claim that I own your home because I'm really Elvis. ... Even if I successfully impersonated elvis and tricked all the courts, I still couldn't get ownership of your home that way because the actual Elvis has no right to your home. Franky1's theory is predicated on a misunderstanding of patents. If Wright wants to patent troll, he'd falsely claim that Bitcoin recently incorporated something that he patented prior to Bitcoin's use, avoiding the problem of Bitcoin's publication itself constituting prior art-- but for that, there is no benefit to claiming to be Satoshi. Wright's ability to make baseless patent claims isn't amplified by his Satoshi act, in fact it's hurt by them because his constant dishonest antics will make it hard for him to get taken seriously and has a established a track record as an unrepentant liar. That said, even though it would be misguided and pointless "pretend to be satoshi to gain patent right over Bitcoin" could still be his plan. He's had plenty of other really dumb plans and his target audience might well even believe it, after all they're stupid enough to believe that Wright is Satoshi (and even franky1 isn't falling for that). If so, that's good news for all of us since his incompetency ultimately limits the amount of harm he can cause. If he tried to bring lawsuits claiming patent rights based on his claim of being Satoshi, they'd get easily dismissed. Maybe you would convince a few more people if you were not speaking in riddles so frequently, but I am afraid that if you define your terms and you spell out what you mean and what you are trying to argue with greater clarity, they you suffer the likelihood that what you are saying makes little to no sense, and that is why you feel a need to ongoingly outline your various ideas (to the extent that there are any ideas) in riddles. You still have not said, what is DPL. >:( >:( >:( As usual, franky1 is gaslighting. He's referring to this (https://blockstream.com/about/patent_faq/). Basically, Blockstream open sourced any patents it had or would later obtain. This helped make sure that blockstream's efforts couldn't later be abused to harm or disrupt the bitcoin ecosystem (e.g. if the company failed and its rights were acquired by some dirtbag). The DPL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_Patent_License) is one of the components of that, and wasn't created by blockstream-- contrary to Franky1's claims, which is presumably why he wouldn't explain when you asked. There wasn't really potential for that to begin with, but better to be sure. The situation is distinct from the original invention of Bitcoin itself because Satoshi published it without patenting it, for the first year there would have been a legitimate concern that Satoshi could have turned around and patented it, that the implied patent license created by the MIT license wouldn't be great enough, and so it wouldn't have been unreasonable for the community to ask for an explicit open patent license. But no one cared at the time and after a year the window for Satoshi applying for a patent closed, mooting the issue. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 06, 2020, 04:25:44 PM Via: Arthur van Pelt @MyLegacyKit (twitter) Jun 24 ...
"BREAKING Surprisingly, NO DEFAULT SANCTIONS for Craig Wright in the Kleiman v Wright case. Trial by jury it is. “perjury and fabricated evidence do not constitute fraud upon the court, because they ‘are evils that can and should be exposed at trial.’” https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.595.0.pdf " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1275894562821681154 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbTjOitWoAEK9TW?format=jpg&name=medium ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbTjRX-XYAEvSoo?format=jpg&name=medium ... "This part summarizes it nicely. The bar is pretty high for case terminating sanctions." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1275902570121306112 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbTqR5dWsAU0AHE?format=jpg&name=medium ... "So when you think of it, judge Bloom is basically saying: "Craig is a bad liar and a sloppy forger. Because if he was a convincing liar and a master forger, I would have eaten the guy alive right now already." ..." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1275905525922881538 ... “Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” ― John Milton, Paradise Lost ::) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 06, 2020, 06:04:16 PM We may disagree on who Satoshi truly is, but everyone who is not a Bitcoin flat-Earther can agree who he isn't. I suppose that the court could make some erroneous conclusions about who supposedly owns certain bitcoin or not, the when push comes to shove, they still have to be able to move the coins, so if they do not really own the coins, then what good could it do for the court to rule that they do own the coins when either someone else has the keys or the keys have been lost/destroyed? I suppose that CSW is hoping for preposterous rulings in his favor that are not possible to enforce, and giving him the option to attempt to play hardball in a variety of respects to nonsensical findings, while the rest of us might be sitting back and investing in popcorn shares, while watching such fruitless and ineffective theatrical outcomes. An errouneous conclusion of a case which other similar cases "COULD" be based from, and reduce Bitcoin addresses into mere accounts that can legally be "scantioned" and "censored". Remove what "CSW Personally Wants". We don't know his true motives. Wow, you seem to be giving way too much credit to what would be possible, merely based on court fuckery, whether it is erroneous or purposeful, there should be little to no reasons to give too many shit. Sure, if the court really fucks up, and the government get's behind them, then yeah, they have made a choice to force bitcoin underground. Bitcoin is a bearer asset, so if you do not have the keys, then it does not matter any way at all what others say, including courts or governments regarding who supposedly owns those coins, if they actually do not. Man, I love these messages from Franky1 now. Chalk full of easily disproved lies. He's always gaslighting. I learned a lot just by debating him because it forces me to research. Wow.... the punchline is that franky1 is wonderful, and you just feel a need to say it out loud. ::) ::) ::) I find it amazing when members are making posts proclaiming how wonderful certain nutjob trolls are because they make them think MOAR better.. blah blah blah.. :D :D :D :D Let's assume that, tin-foil hats on, franky1's theory is right. gmax, BitcoinFX, JayJuanGee, and all the smart guys, how plausible is that it would end with Craig Wright "owning/controlling Bitcoin's IP"? No need to assume anything. It's like saying: Let's assume toothfairies, then... blah blah blah... We do not advance anything by getting into the assumption of fantasies... Makes no sense, unless you either want a fantasy outcome or to just want to enter into a fantastical trip. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: AGD on July 06, 2020, 09:15:51 PM ... We do not advance anything by getting into the assumption of fantasies... Makes no sense, unless you either want a fantasy outcome or to just want to enter into a fantastical trip. I agree with 90% of your posting, but if your goal is to 'advance anything' in a public discussion forum, you might be in the wrong place. Everybody can come up with their fantasy stories and get either ignored or - in case of Franky1 - people get obsessed by the need to debunk every brain fart he sets free and fill 15 pages of 'CSW and Ira are colluding!' and 'No, they are not!' Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 06, 2020, 10:30:58 PM problem with franky1 isn't that he posts his stupidity once, but he flooded the thread out with his endless multiposted stupidity, constantly bringing the discussion back to his deranged theory. I have him on ignore, and only look at his posts if other people have started responding to them.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 06, 2020, 10:54:20 PM problem with gmax is.
he thinks he is THE judge of all courts, where gmax has the power himself to auto dismiss any bitcoin related cases no matter where, when or by whom they are filed by. (unless its blockstream and then its ok) but it is a shame gmax didnt use his secret power 2 years ago to dismiss the IRA/CSW case oops did gmax forget this case didnt get dismissed.. oh well that debunks gmaxs claims that bitcoin related cases get auto dismissed. yes we all get it many cases should have got thrown out years ago.. yes we know many cases are just a sham.. but dont expect instant dismissals because the community outside the courtroom know its a sham Let's assume that, tin-foil hats on, franky1's theory is right. gmax, BitcoinFX, JayJuanGee, and all the smart guys, how plausible is that it would end with Craig Wright "owning/controlling Bitcoin's IP"? The problem with Franky1's fan fiction isn't what he thinks Wright wants-- that may actually be what Wright wants, or at least what Wright is selling as his plan to some of his sucker-victims. There has been no evidence that Kleiman wants that too, but lets go ahead and pretend he does. one week on and you forgot the pdf link and the screen shot of ira's teams actual request shame on you its clear and in writing and logged into case records that he wants what CSW wants.(a partnership involving bitcoins creation deemed as fact) you cant change legal or written history by just making a post saying 'fantasy' and 'pretend' or i ignored a forum user to hide your ignorance by you not referring to it/avoiding talking about it. doesnt mean it didnt happen. it just means YOU are unaware of the facts of whats really going on next time read the documents and show me that it never had a request from ira's team asking for a default judgement that finds that the partnership and the creation of bitcoin by the partnership be deemed fact ....oh wait you cant The problem is more fundamental and based on Satoshi's lack of applicable intellectual property rights: Satoshi doesn't have and couldn't have any relevant rights to important Bitcoin "IP"-- e.g. after Satoshi published bitcoin without applying for patents, he perpetually lost any ability to do so because Bitcoin itself became prior art--, so a conman can't gain such rights by successfully pretending to be Satoshi. ^ you flip that its impossiblev then you flop If Wright wants to patent troll, he'd falsely claim that Bitcoin recently incorporated something that he patented prior to Bitcoin's use, avoiding the problem of Bitcoin's publication itself constituting prior art-- but for that, yep many ways to get around the prior art thing. even flimsy enough to atleast get a court to not auto-dismiss1. claim you invented it a couple years early then prior art date and then sue people pretending they too were involved before then and stole your idea to ruin your financial potential by making it freeware without your consent. thus seeking damages 2. using the limitations that gmax knows the MIT doesnt immortally protect bitcoin for. and obviously wanted people to be protected by handing their alterations to blockchain. under the DPL If he tried to bring lawsuits claiming patent rights based on his claim of being Satoshi, they'd get easily dismissed. really? so a case right now running for about 2 years. dealing with bitcoins IP claims.. has been auto-dismissed.???seems like its still playing out. and still going to cause drama untill atleast october. or are you going to pretend this whole case is not playing out 'coz franky said its playing out makes it now fiction' instead of trying to play my forum words. try reading the legal documents of ira's teams words. like i asked many times already Basically, Blockstream open sourced any patents it had or would later obtain. This helped make sure that blockstream's efforts couldn't later be abused to harm or disrupt the bitcoin ecosystem (e.g. if the company failed and its rights were acquired by some dirtbag). There wasn't really potential for that to begin with, but better to be sure. how can blockstream even have or try to obtain patents.. oh wait we both know they can gmax has done thiskinda funny that. flip 'no one can patent bitcoin or any future element/alteration' flop 'apart from blockstream' flop 'gmax has filed blockstream patents of bitcoin tech and offered other licences' again patent trolling is not about getting to the final trial victory parade. its about atleast getting a foot in the door at a party so that you can slapp everyone at the party. before the music even begins by atleast getting on the guest list with a court endorsed document opens many doors Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on July 07, 2020, 04:40:26 AM A couple people described it pretty well earlier: the only way to "win" against franky is either to tell him he is correct or else let him have the last word. In other words, there is no winning. His head is like a perfectly reflective ball bearing in which no light can permeate.
Surprisingly, NO DEFAULT SANCTIONS for Craig Wright in the Kleiman v Wright case. Trial by jury it is. Wonder if they will again attempt to settle before the trial. They tried once in September of last year but that fell through. The trial was originally scheduled for March 30th, then again for this month, so I hope they don't push it back too much further. But you know, covid is also a pretty good excuse not to have to do anything. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 07, 2020, 09:37:15 AM Let's assume that, tin-foil hats on, franky1's theory is right. gmax, BitcoinFX, JayJuanGee, and all the smart guys, how plausible is that it would end with Craig Wright "owning/controlling Bitcoin's IP"? The problem with Franky1's fan fiction isn't what he thinks Wright wants-- that may actually be what Wright wants, or at least what Wright is selling as his plan to some of his sucker-victims. There has been no evidence that Kleiman wants that too, but lets go ahead and pretend he does. The problem is more fundamental and based on Satoshi's lack of applicable intellectual property rights: Satoshi doesn't have and couldn't have any relevant rights to important Bitcoin "IP"-- e.g. after Satoshi published bitcoin without applying for patents, he perpetually lost any ability to do so because Bitcoin itself became prior art--, so a conman can't gain such rights by successfully pretending to be Satoshi.That would be like me trying to claim that I own your home because I'm really Elvis. ... Even if I successfully impersonated elvis and tricked all the courts, I still couldn't get ownership of your home that way because the actual Elvis has no right to your home. Franky1's theory is predicated on a misunderstanding of patents. If Wright wants to patent troll, he'd falsely claim that Bitcoin recently incorporated something that he patented prior to Bitcoin's use, avoiding the problem of Bitcoin's publication itself constituting prior art-- but for that, there is no benefit to claiming to be Satoshi. Wright's ability to make baseless patent claims isn't amplified by his Satoshi act, in fact it's hurt by them because his constant dishonest antics will make it hard for him to get taken seriously and has a established a track record as an unrepentant liar. That said, even though it would be misguided and pointless "pretend to be satoshi to gain patent right over Bitcoin" could still be his plan. He's had plenty of other really dumb plans and his target audience might well even believe it, after all they're stupid enough to believe that Wright is Satoshi (and even franky1 isn't falling for that). If so, that's good news for all of us since his incompetency ultimately limits the amount of harm he can cause. If he tried to bring lawsuits claiming patent rights based on his claim of being Satoshi, they'd get easily dismissed. OK, then new theory. Craig Wright and his legal team believe that the only way out of the bad situation they currently made themselves, is to dig and go deeper into the hole. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 07, 2020, 10:27:35 AM ...snip... Surprisingly, NO DEFAULT SANCTIONS for Craig Wright in the Kleiman v Wright case. Trial by jury it is. Wonder if they will again attempt to settle before the trial. They tried once in September of last year but that fell through. The trial was originally scheduled for March 30th, then again for this month, so I hope they don't push it back too much further. But you know, covid is also a pretty good excuse not to have to do anything. I'm 99.9999% and a few more 9's percent certain that this case will eventually go to trial ... The entire thing is a complete and utter sham, apparently based on a nullity. (Derivative suit, much?). ... The reality most likely was ... The real satoshi released bitcoin here: Bitcoin v0.1 released - Thu Jan 8 14:27:40 EST 2009 - https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/014994.html Dave Kleiman likely saw and/or got notification of the bitcoin release here: [heise online UK] Secure deletion: a single overwrite will do it - Tue Jan 20 19:18:39 EST 2009 - https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/015029.html January 2009 Archives by thread - https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2009-January/thread.html Remembering that Dave was effectively housebound in his wheelchair and he was a digital forensic investigator, therefore he most certainly downloaded and ran the bitcoin software. Maybe he mined some, maybe he did not, who knows? Perhaps he told Craig Wright about it at the time, perhaps he did not ... presumably Craig's response at the time might of been something to the effect of "Cypherpunk BS, won't go anywhere", again, who knows? The rest is history, as they say ... Quote: Arthur van Pelt @MyLegacyKit "I've changed the layout a little to a yearly "Lies, Forgeries & Frauds" timeline and will now go concentrate on the content details. Keep you posted. This is a pretty massive undertaking, especially when I go unravel the ATO and Edman reports in detail. " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1280422503974928384 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcT3pXlXkAAY09K?format=jpg&name=large *Satire* http://allabouttherock.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Unknown.png and/or "THIS FACILITY CANNOT ACCEPT: DIRT" ??? ::) Alice In Chains - Down in a Hole (PCM Stereo) - https://youtu.be/f8hT3oDDf6c Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 07, 2020, 07:16:23 PM [edited out] OK, then new theory. Craig Wright and his legal team believe that the only way out of the bad situation they currently made themselves, is to dig and go deeper into the hole. Of course, there are a few ways of saying it. CSW, Calvin, et al have painted themselves into a corner, and they might not had been really realizing that they were being painted into a corner little by little. Likely, that their predicament of a situation had become more and more clear, even to them, and logically, they believe that the ONLY way out would be to stay stubborn with their position and even to double down on their position, from time to time, hoping that they might come across some kind of way to weasel their way out of the painted corner in which they were finding themselves. It may bear repeating that Ira and team, saw the stupid-ass outrageous claims that CSW, CA, et al were making about CSW being satoshi, that CSW had worked with Dave Kleinman to mine coins and supposedly invent BTC, and that CSW had possession of those coins which seemed to logically be partially owned by Dave, if such claims were true. Therefore, Ira and team further forced CSW, CA, et al further into their lame-ass and seemingly lie of a corner, but instead of admitting that they were lying, they doubled down, which played into the hands of Ira to be able to get monetary damages. That's where we continue to be. CSW, CA, et al continue to refuse to give up, even though at one point last fall they seemed to have entered into a settlement, but they decided to renege on that settlement and take this evolving clown show to litigation... Sure, there remains a question regarding whether this evolving clown show of preposterous claims is going to be taken on the record of actual court proceedings, which could make matters even worse for CSW, CA, et al to have sworn testimony that reinforces their ongoing lies.. not inadvertent lies, but ongoing intentional lies that become more and more apparent and more and more formalized as an attempt to scam the whole judicial system with their webbed doubling-down pattern of forgeries, fraudulent actions and misrepresentations. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Searing on July 07, 2020, 07:33:06 PM he asked for default judgement in his favour that CSW/DAVE were bitcoins creator Again, they can ask for anything, doesn't mean they're going to get it. Ira could ask for half the coins in the genesis block, which is impossible, so why aren't you having a shit-fit about that too? Maybe, instead of just blindly asking "what if" and letting your imagination run wild without a hint of limitation or reason, just try considering what's actually practical for once. And, since you seem adamant that any utterance of common sense in opposition to your total lack thereof isn't permitted or justified unless there's some quoting of a legal document from the cases, I give you the following. The courts have expressed zero interest in validating any claims that either party were responsible for Bitcoin's creation, as has already been confirmed to you by the documents you claim to have read: First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency. For someone to interpret that as a likelihood that a judge is going to validate faketoshi's claims would suggest they aren't fond of critical thinking and have a flair for the dramatic. I tried explaining to franky earlier that a "default judgment" does not mean that the judge ruled Craig and/or Dave is Satoshi, but he glossed right over it. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/default_judgment Quote Default judgments arise in circumstances whereby one party to a suit has failed to perform a court-ordered action, and subsequently that failure has not only prevented the issue from being presented before the court but also results in the court settling the legal dispute in favor of the compliant party. For example, when a defendant is summoned to appear before the court in a case brought by a plaintiff, but fails to respond to the court's legal order, the judge can rule for default judgment and thereby decide the case in the plaintiff's favor. I think he needs to go back and do some more Research™. Damn...hard for the court not to infer that if CW gives all the BTC the Klieman estate says they are entitled too..... or do i have this wrong? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 07, 2020, 07:54:16 PM It may bear repeating that Ira and team, saw the stupid-ass outrageous claims that CSW, CA, et al were making about CSW being satoshi, that CSW had worked with Dave Kleinman to mine coins and supposedly invent BTC, and that CSW had possession of those coins which seemed to logically be partially owned by Dave, if such claims were true. and thats the pitfull you are falling into we in the entire community know CSW is a pennyless scammer that never created or mined bitcoin pre2013 thats not in dispute.. apart from you and nutty's, and a couple others flip flops unsure/trolling thoughts. what is actually ocurring is that ira's team is NOT calling out CSW as a pennyless scammer that duped dave into a pennyless scam. IRA's NOT fighting to clear daves name and get out/detach daves reputation from being 50% liable of the ATO and other scams.. ira's not seeking damages from CSW for trying to pull in dave into CSW's scam instead ira's team ARE trying to ratify that there was a partnership and it has assets. again they are not arguing who then should buy out who from that ratified partnership. they just both want to have it validated that there was a partnership which included bitcoin IP as its asset .. but hey. you can play theories and if's and maybes. but ira's requests for validation during the deposition/discovery stage. is very much tactics that CSW would play. its a similar play as the SLAPP tactic. get the desired outcome before the case has even started. CSW wins even if IRA wins. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. which i deem CSW has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' but hey. show me where IRA's team has said CSW is a pennyless scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin pre2013 and just tried to con dave into a scam..(your assumptions of what this case actually is) i do get it we in the community know the actual scamminess of CSW. we know he was not involved in bitcoin pre2013. yes we wish IRA was a plaintiff of a case that called CSW out on his scams.. yes we wish IRa was trying to call detach any linkage to any partnership by showing there was not bitcoin business pre 2013 but the only stuff IRA is calling out on is the stall tactics within the case of not just coming out as bitcoins creator as promised/sooner. thus ira's team is very much playing into the game of wanting CSW to be announced as bitcoins creator . i do get it we all want CSW punished.. but that aint gonna happen. IRA is not making direct demand for 410k coin and asking the judge for a prison term punishment if CSW doesnt pay. heck even the judge said this case is not about awarding coins or proving who or where the coins are to then award. this is not what the case is about. its not the coins. its not even about who was typing at the computer to decide identity. its the 'title' and rights of being the creators of bitcoin. (where by the judge would then let them both debate over the share of who was the identity and who should buy out who outside of court) i do get it CSW is a scammer and there is no asset. no coins nothing actually in reality to share. but inside the courtroom. is a different thing entirely CSW likes this because while the trust ownership/validity is in question the ATO are stuck. even they cant proceed without it being validated that CSW is the owner of the scam. or if the scam was a scam CSW likes this because the 2-3years delay allows him time to escape the statute of limitations of the current CIVIL case of non payment of ATO tax. which once outside the limitation period. the ATO cant then file criminal charges of evasion. CSW likes this because ira is validating CSW claims by saying there was a partnership. meaning it keeps his 'money guys' happily funding CSW's many games while keeping the ATO at arms length Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 07, 2020, 08:01:35 PM The real satoshi would simply never say this ...
"Interviewer: "Hey Craig, how do you explain the 145 addressed that signed "Craig is a fraud" last week ?" Craig: " No message was signed, you can't sign anonymously - you have to have an identity to sign....key don't count..I gotta go...be" 😂😂😂 " https://twitter.com/BitcoinMemeHub/status/1268366834287312897 Source: REIMAGINE 2020 - Craig S. Wright - World Riots, Hard Work, Quantum Computing and more - https://youtu.be/PHBrodzl5qY?t=5105 ... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signature "A digital signature is a mathematical scheme for verifying the authenticity of digital messages or documents. A valid digital signature, where the prerequisites are satisfied, gives a recipient very strong reason to believe that the message was created by a known sender (authentication), and that the message was not altered in transit (integrity). Digital signatures are a standard element of most cryptographic protocol suites, and are commonly used for software distribution, financial transactions, contract management software, and in other cases where it is important to detect forgery or tampering..." ... Back to the OP ... 145 addresses were signed and the messages are 100% verifiable on the blockchain. These are addresses that Craig Wright told the court he owned / mined, in the 4th revision of the Tulip Trust, which is supposedly inaccessible. :D Valid Bitcoin messages can clearly be signed anonymously and no you don't have to have an identity for the message to be validated. Moreover, the message does in fact contain an identity i.e. the anonymous address does NOT belong to Craig Wright. The addresses could belong to anybody, but it categorically does not belong to Craig Wright. Anyone who still thinks that 'Craig is Satoshi', based on this single piece of evidence alone, is a complete and utterly misguided fool. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 07, 2020, 08:12:57 PM ...snip... CSW wins even if IRA wins. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. which i deem CSW has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' ...snip... ... and then the 'real' Nakamoto turns up, proves that they all had absolutely nothing to do with creating Bitcoin whatsoever ... and whoopsie ... ... well one can dream ... I suppose that all of this debacle might at least go someway to helping folks to better understand how identity works in Bitcoin ... Not your keys, not your coins! Don't trust, Verify! ... "... and then they woke up and discovered it was all just a dream ..." - SWIM Lupe Fiasco - Superstar (feat. Matthew Santos) [Official Video] - https://youtu.be/hVkBlsgthLg :D Some games are only won by those who do not play. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 07, 2020, 09:33:40 PM It may bear repeating that Ira and team, saw the stupid-ass outrageous claims that CSW, CA, et al were making about CSW being satoshi, that CSW had worked with Dave Kleinman to mine coins and supposedly invent BTC, and that CSW had possession of those coins which seemed to logically be partially owned by Dave, if such claims were true. and thats the pitfull you are falling into we in the entire community know CSW is a pennyless scammer that never created or mined bitcoin pre2013 thats not in dispute.. apart from you and nutty's, and a couple others flip flops unsure/trolling thoughts. Fuck that bullshit, franky1. None of us are presuming that CSW has any assets or that he mined any bitcoin or that he is anything but a fraud, but he is still stuck with his decision NOT to dispute the claims that he is making in the court. So if he says that he mined bitcoin, and that he is satoshi and that he is rich as fuck with bitcoin like Scrooge McDuck, then he is going to have to pay, even though we all know that he is full of shit.. the court knows too, but they are still going to make him pay (or rule that he has to pay). what is actually ocurring is that ira's team is NOT calling out CSW as a pennyless scammer that duped dave into a pennyless scam. IRA's NOT fighting to clear daves name and get out/detach daves reputation from being 50% liable of the ATO and other scams.. ira's not seeking damages from CSW for trying to pull in dave into CSW's scam I don't know exactly what you are talking about franky1. Seems that you are just repeating unimportant nonsense. Ira has no reason to contest what CSW is saying because so long as CSW says that he is rich as fuck, then Ira is going to get a cut, even if all of that is a fraud, lie scam. Ira gives no fucks about that because, he just wants CSW, CA et al to pay the value, even if they have to get the money from some other location, which may well be what the court tells them that they have to do. instead ira's team ARE trying to ratify that there was a partnership and it has assets. They don't need to ratify. CSW admits it (so it is a non-issue, even if its a lie) again they are not arguing who then should buy out who from that ratified partnership. That is correct. They don't need to argue, because if CSW is claiming that there is a partnership, then Ira is going to get half. Who cares about the other details? they just both want to have it validated that there was a partnership which included bitcoin IP as its asset They don't need to validate it. CSW is claiming it. Therefore, a non-issue that is not being contested. .. but hey. you can play theories and if's and maybes. none of us seem to be playing what ifs, except to the extent that we don't know if CSW and those diptwats might change some of their positions before trial, as they seem inclined to do. So, none of us can know about how the court is going to rule on what issues, especially if we don't know if CSW and those fucktwats might try to change the issues along the way, but that is how litigation goes. Sometimes there are changes in issues and positions and surprises, so in that regard, we cannot always know how the litigation is going to play out before it actually plays out, even if we might have pretty decent projections regarding how it seems to be playing out.. based on current facts and current posturings of the parties. but ira's requests for validation during the deposition/discovery stage. is very much tactics that CSW would play. its a similar play as the SLAPP tactic. get the desired outcome before the case has even started. Huh? Haven't you learned shit yet, franky1? you still have not figured out the purpose of depositions and discovery, even though the process has been explained to you numerous times? Let me 'splain one more time just because I like you so much. Depositions/discovery are used to prepare for trial and to figure out what kind of testimony might come out of various witnesses and what kinds of documents are available to attempt to establish or corroborate testimony and positions and even might result in the production of stipulations regarding evidence, legal issues or even settlement of the whole fucking case... or maybe the changing of some of the issues based on what evidence is produced during that process. So, even while they are preparing for trial, issues can end up changing because they may decide to either narrow or broaden the case based upon such discoveries and even some of the pleadings/motions that might happen along the way, too. Sometimes the court might not allow them to either change their pleadings or to change the issues, but even one of the courts recent rulings that rejected Ira's motion for default sanctions demonstrated that sometimes issues might end up being added based upon such motions, and in this situation, all of a sudden, one of the issues seems to be that CSW, CA, et al are proclaiming that CSW suffers from a genius kind of autism, which causes more facts and issues to be potentially presented during trial as compared to what would have happened if either the court ruled against such CSW claims or if they had decided to grant the motion for Ira to receive some of those default sanctions on some of the issues and in regards to Ira's attempt to limit evidence that could be presented (and that motion to limit some of the evidence/issues in that direction failed.. at least, so far.). CSW wins even if IRA wins. You and I already discussed this, and of course, we disagree. It seems that most everyone else posting here disagrees with you on this point too, but I am not going to speak for others, even though I cannot recall anyone really agreeing with you on any kind of substantive and/or material way in regards to this point that seems to suggest that there is not really any adversarial position between the parties. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. I agree that it could take a bit of time to figure out what assets that CSW has and is able to liquidate or the extent to which the purported companies that he created or even Calvin might be liable for the anticipated judgement against CSW. which i deem CSW Who fucking cares what you deem, franky1? has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. Well, of course there seem to be various attempts to create companies and to confuse who is responsible for what in order to attempt to limit liability. I surely have very little clue regarding how all of those smoke and mirror bullshit entities are going to end up affecting liability or whether they also will end up getting drug into litigation at some point. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' You are getting ahead of yourself. One case at a time, unless those bullshit entities get drug into this litigation, too. but hey. show me where IRA's team has said CSW is a pennyless scammer that had nothing to do with bitcoin pre2013 and just tried to con dave into a scam..(your assumptions of what this case actually is) No assumptions are being made here. I believe that CSW has proclaimed that he is rich as fuck, and Ira is not contesting that claim, even though it is not likely to be true, as you mentioned a half a million times, franky1. i do get it Yeah. You are smarter than everyone else. I already understand that to be your perspective. ;) Pretty funny when you think about it. :D :D :D :D :D we in the community know the actual scamminess of CSW. we know he was not involved in bitcoin pre2013. O.k. fair enough. Everyone seems to recognize this, more or less. yes we wish IRA was a plaintiff of a case that called CSW out on his scams.. Speak for yourself, in regards to what "we wish" yes we wish IRa was trying to call detach any linkage to any partnership by showing there was not bitcoin business pre 2013 Again. Speak for yourself in regards to what you are wishing for. but the only stuff IRA is calling out on is the stall tactics within the case of not just coming out as bitcoins creator as promised/sooner. thus ira's team is very much playing into the game of wanting CSW to be announced as bitcoins creator We already went over this many times. In other words, you are making no sense, franky1. In regards to the case, nobody gives any shits about whether CSW is the creator or not. For all intents and purposes in regards to the case, CSW is claiming to be the creator, and so therefore it is a non-issue. Does not need to be resolved in the case. . i do get it You seem to hardly get shit, franky1. we all want CSW punished.. It seems that CSW is going to get punished, whether we want it or not, but we still need to see how all of this plays out. CSW seems to be in a bit of a pickle, so it seems difficult to envision ways in which he does not get punished. Of course, he could attempt to disappear or employ some other kind of exit scam, so that might be one of the cards that CSW might be planning to play if it appears that his corpus might be in jeopardy of getting locked up (which he likely would not want.. but who knows, he might be willing to play the "get locked up card" and the subsequent "see if he can get out card") but that aint gonna happen. Sure. That's possible that CSW will not get punished. Seems unlikely, but sure, it is possible. Within reason, almost anything is possible. IRA is not making direct demand for 410k coin and asking the judge for a prison term punishment if CSW doesnt pay. The prison motion might come later, or maybe there could be a subsequent proceeding or maybe the court could raise contempt sua sponte. I don't think that we have enough information to know how likely it could be that CSW gets locked up at all or that Ira motions for it. heck even the judge said this case is not about awarding coins or proving who or where the coins are to then award. this is not what the case is about. its not the coins. Where did the judge say that? I can imagine that if CSW is saying that he has the coins, then no one is contesting that he has the coins, so we do not want to get into that issue, if that issue is settled because CSW is admitting it. its not even about who was typing at the computer to decide identity. Fair enough. Seems to be an issue that is not contested. its the 'title' and rights of being the creators of bitcoin. I don't see how it is about that either, even if you, franky1, want it to be about that. (where by the judge would then let them both debate over the share of who was the identity and who should buy out who outside of court) Sure, courts tend to be pretty receptive to the parties settling the matter outside of the court, especially in civil cases, which this still seems to only be a civil case, as far as I have heard about it, so far. i do get it You do? CSW is a scammer and there is no asset. no coins nothing actually in reality to share. but inside the courtroom. is a different thing entirely O.k. Maybe you are starting to get it? But I have my doubts. CSW likes this because while the trust ownership/validity is in question the ATO are stuck. even they cant proceed without it being validated that CSW is the owner of the scam. or if the scam was a scam Hm? Does not seem that they need to resolve all of those above issues in this case. You seem to be convoluting matters again, franky1. Right when I started to consider that you might be getting things, you ramble out a bunch of nonsense. :D :D :D CSW likes this because the 2-3years delay allows him time to escape the statute of limitations of the current CIVIL case of non payment of ATO tax. I doubt that ATO is going to let him "out of paying" taxes in Australia, especially since he has been engaging in fraud and concealment and tax authorities are not so easy to just let those kinds of things go based on some kind of supposed technicality. In other words, you are getting ahead of ur lil selfie, again, franky1. ::) ::) which once outside the limitation period. the ATO cant then file criminal charges of evasion. I doubt that the Australian Tax Office is going to consider itself as limited in its powers or jurisdiction as you seem to establish, franky1. CSW likes this because ira is validating CSW claims by saying there was a partnership. meaning it keeps his 'money guys' happily funding CSW's many games while keeping the ATO at arms length Seems a bit speculative, but hey, we are allowed to speculate here, I suppose. And you are part of the "speculative we," franky1. Congrats. ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 07, 2020, 11:19:15 PM then he is going to have to pay, even though we all know that he is full of shit.. the court knows too, but they are still going to make him pay (or rule that he has to pay). Ira gives no fucks about that because, he just wants CSW, CA et al to pay the value, .., which may well be what the court tells them that they have to do. even your buddy group doomad showed how the judge is not interest in where/who has the coins. he isnt even judging on how much % CSW should pay out. its not even about working out who orwhen or how one should buy out the other. THATS YOUR SPECUALTION THAT THINKS ITS ABOUT THE COINS AND PAYOUTS They don't need to ratify. CSW admits it (so it is a non-issue, even if its a lie) now your slowly grasping the real point of the court drama. its about both sides not opposing. but both trying to get a judge to document there is actually a partnership by both sides saying there was... That is correct. They don't need to argue, because if CSW is claiming that there is a partnership, then Ira is going to get half. Who cares about the other details? They don't need to validate it. CSW is claiming it. Therefore, a non-issue that is not being contested. .. its about getting the judge to document that he finds into fact that there was a partnership need you be reminded of CSW long con since 2016 trying to get legal proof there was a partnership.. this is it this is his method to get legal documented 'proof' I agree that it could take a bit of time to figure out what assets that CSW has and is able to liquidate or the extent to which the purported companies that he created or even Calvin might be liable for the anticipated judgement against CSW. and now your back to thinking that its about coins again(facepalm)imagine other cases of other REAL companies. they can go to court to just be judged of how much share a co-founder has. it does not auto-result in liquidation of the company. it just creates rights and abilities where the parties have to share the company and run it together .. if you think that all co-founder disputes result in instant liquidation of a company. the dang... Facebook should be dead by now.. oh wait. its still operating i think. and take this as some positive criticism to help guide you out of the circle you are in. maybe you are stuck with the belief that the only ending is a payout/liquidation ordered by the court. your stuck thinking about money... however. this case has not asked for a liquidation. nor payout. just a legal judgement of partnership to be honoured. and that all bitcoin IP is included in that partnership your rhetoric of the hopes that a beg for coins will then come.. the hope it CSW trips up and falls in a coffin and gets nailed inside. but that is just hopes. and not what this case is about nor been documented as. you hope IRA demands CSW buys ira out. but thats not been asked. no buy out has been discussed has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. Well, of course there seem to be various attempts to create companies and to confuse who is responsible for what in order to attempt to limit liability. I surely have very little clue regarding how all of those smoke and mirror bullshit entities are going to end up affecting liability or whether they also will end up getting drug into litigation at some point. im just saying these 'money guys got conned by CSW to pay his bills and he promises them future riches via his 'story' exclusives and Slapp earnings. they are wiling to pay if they get a judgemetn that the partnership is real as it helps them then SLAPP random people. which CSW has been threatening to do for years In regards to the case, nobody gives any shits about whether CSW is the creator or not. For all intents and purposes in regards to the case, CSW is claiming to be the creator, and so therefore it is a non-issue. Does not need to be resolved in the case. the whole game is to get a judge to say that no one is denying the partnership then its.. win CSW and his patent troll games and hugs from his 'moneyguys' Sure. That's possible that CSW will not get punished. Seems unlikely, but sure, it is possible. Within reason, almost anything is possible. this case is about geting a judge to agree that the partnership is full and not in disagreement thus making it legally an entity that has existed from the times the party have said.thus winning CSW his long con The prison motion might ..., or maybe ... could be a subsequent proceeding... or maybe the court could raise contempt sua sponte. I don't think that we have enough information to know how likely it could be that CSW gets locked up at all or that Ira motions for it. finally welcome to reality!!!well done. with all YOUR if's and buts and maybes and could be's you actually have said that ira has not even motioned for it CSW likes this because the 2-3years delay allows him time to escape the statute of limitations of the current CIVIL case of non payment of ATO tax. I doubt that ATO is going to let him "out of paying" taxes in Australia, especially since he has been engaging in fraud and concealment and tax authorities are not so easy to just let those kinds of things go based on some kind of supposed technicality. In other words, you are getting ahead of ur lil selfie, again, franky1. ::) ::) which once outside the limitation period. the ATO cant then file criminal charges of evasion. I doubt that the Australian Tax Office is going to consider itself as limited in its powers or jurisdiction as you seem to establish, franky1. CSW likes this because ira is validating CSW claims by saying there was a partnership. meaning it keeps his 'money guys' happily funding CSW's many games while keeping the ATO at arms length Seems a bit speculative, but hey, we are allowed to speculate here, I suppose. And you are part of the "speculative we," franky1. Congrats. ;) at this present moment, from ATO point of view CSW was just been handed a bill after they done an audit. that is all.. (he then legged it out of australia) now with the 'ownership' of the partnership in debate. the ATO still civilly have to work out who the bill payer actually is. which is civil. which is limited to a statue of limitations period yes we outside of courtrooms/tax offices. know its all a scam. but legally its just an unpaid bill. with a yet to begin civil case to determine fraud. and then a criminal case to punish fraud. its the whole tax avoidance/tax evasion difference, where avoidance is legally allowed and civil. and evasion is criminal ATO has to first determine avoidance vs evasion. so again. once passed a certain date the ATO cant then go after him civilly to then try him criminally. and thats wht this ira drama is playing out.. the deadline for civil. to avoid paying bill. and then have the partnership ratified to avoid criminal. by then saying yea we got a bill and the company is solid. but you took too long to demand payment so we dont have to pay now. hopefully your getting the many layers of CSW games now and i hope this time you realise that this case will not end in a 'liquidation' order. because judges dont ask for that by default/automatic practice. otherwise thousands of businesses would get shutdown and employees lose jobs. just over co-founder disputes. this case. by actual words from ira's team is requesting that dave be included in a partnership. solidifying the partnership into a legal entity by doing so. all the money talk is outside the courtroom. and not going to be CSW coffin nail Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 08, 2020, 12:01:17 AM then he is going to have to pay, even though we all know that he is full of shit.. the court knows too, but they are still going to make him pay (or rule that he has to pay). Ira gives no fucks about that because, he just wants CSW, CA et al to pay the value, .., which may well be what the court tells them that they have to do. even your buddy group doomad showed how the judge is not interest in where/who has the coins. he isnt even judging on how much % CSW should pay out. its not even about working out who orwhen or how one should buy out the other. THATS YOUR SPECUALTION THAT THINKS ITS ABOUT THE COINS AND PAYOUTS You lost me. I think that I already said what I think, so your describing what I think is probably NOT very helpful. They don't need to ratify. CSW admits it (so it is a non-issue, even if its a lie) now your slowly grasping the real point of the court drama. its about both sides not opposing. but both trying to get a judge to document there is actually a partnership by both sides saying there was... That is correct. They don't need to argue, because if CSW is claiming that there is a partnership, then Ira is going to get half. Who cares about the other details? They don't need to validate it. CSW is claiming it. Therefore, a non-issue that is not being contested. .. its about getting the judge to document that he finds into fact that there was a partnership I doubt that my opinion has been changing in regards to the various points that I have been making, but whatever, you can believe whatever you like. I think that my posts speak for themselves, rather than you assessing what they might mean... which seems ridiculous on its face. ::) ::) ::) need you be reminded of CSW long con since 2016 trying to get legal proof there was a partnership.. this is it this is his method to get legal documented 'proof' I doubt there is any value in reminding me about anything related to various CSW long cons. I agree that it could take a bit of time to figure out what assets that CSW has and is able to liquidate or the extent to which the purported companies that he created or even Calvin might be liable for the anticipated judgement against CSW. and now your back to thinking that its about coins again(facepalm)Again, I doubt that any of my thinking has been changing regarding these various matters. imagine other cases of other REAL companies. I don't see any reason to imagine anything. they can go to court to just be judged of how much share a co-founder has. it does not auto-result in liquidation of the company. it just creates rights and abilities where the parties have to share the company and run it together Huh? Dave is dead. There is a claim that CSW took his coins, and CSW largely admits it, so you seem to be getting into irrelevant areas, again. Should be no surprise, there. .. if you think that all co-founder disputes result in instant liquidation of a company. the dang... Facebook should be dead by now.. oh wait. its still operating You seem to be off topic, again, and I think that I already addressed this matter ,which is that Craig pretty much said that he has control over all of the coins that he and Dave mined together. i think. and take this as some positive criticism to help guide you out of the circle you are in. maybe you are stuck with the belief that the only ending is a payout/liquidation ordered by the court. your stuck thinking about money... I am not proclaiming to know how it ends; however, you seem to be proclaiming that you know how it ends. I am willing to wait and see how it ends, before I proclaim to know the ending. however. this case has not asked for a liquidation. nor payout. just a legal judgement of partnership to be honoured. and that all bitcoin IP is included in that partnership Hm? We will see what the judgement says after the trial, and if there is no trial, then maybe we will find out what the terms of the settlement are? Unless they do a private settlement, then we might not find out, right? omg omg.... :o :o :o your rhetoric of the hopes that a beg for coins will then come.. the hope we all wish where CSW trips up and falls in a coffin and gets nailed inside. but that is hopes. and not what this case is about has been documented as. you hope IRA demands CSW buys ira out. but thats not been asked. no buy out has been discussed I don't recall hoping for anything, so probably you are projecting your hopes on me, or maybe you are projecting the opposite of your hopes on me, and in that way you will have an argument that you can beat. That is called, creating a strawman, and then showing how your side of the argument is the WINNER. Great!!!! Franky1 wins!!!!!!! Yay, franky1!!!!!!!!! franky1 wins because created his own facts and his own logic and franky1 showed that he was right about everything related to everything and that everyone else was wrong because franky1 created their arguments, too. Yay, franky1!!!!!!!!! has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. Well, of course there seem to be various attempts to create companies and to confuse who is responsible for what in order to attempt to limit liability. I surely have very little clue regarding how all of those smoke and mirror bullshit entities are going to end up affecting liability or whether they also will end up getting drug into litigation at some point. O.k. sounds like you are making a prediction, and sure maybe you could be correct about this, perhaps? im just saying these 'money guys got conned by CSW to pay his bills and he promises them future riches via his 'story' exclusives and Slapp earnings. they are wiling to pay if they get a judgemetn that the partnership is real as it helps them then SLAPP random people. which CSW has been threatening to do for years Speculation on your part, no? You are saying that they are not going to be part of the case, but you are speculating that they might benefit or not from a judgement or a settlement to the extent that they are real... and not a total straw entity fabrication that CSW and Calvin have created. In regards to the case, nobody gives any shits about whether CSW is the creator or not. For all intents and purposes in regards to the case, CSW is claiming to be the creator, and so therefore it is a non-issue. Does not need to be resolved in the case. the whole game is to get a judge to say that no one is denying the partnership then its.. win CSW and his patent troll games and hugs from his 'moneyguys' I did not know that. I thought that it was about Ira wanting to get paid for the coins that CSW admits to taking. Sure. That's possible that CSW will not get punished. Seems unlikely, but sure, it is possible. Within reason, almost anything is possible. this case is about geting a judge to agree that the partnership is full and not in disagreement thus making it legally an entity that has existed from the times the party have said.thus winning CSW his long con You are repeating yourself. the partnership does not seem to be contested. The prison motion might ..., or maybe ... could be a subsequent proceeding... or maybe the court could raise contempt sua sponte. I don't think that we have enough information to know how likely it could be that CSW gets locked up at all or that Ira motions for it. finally welcome to reality!!!well done. with all YOUR if's and buts and maybes and could be's you actually have said that ira has not even motioned for it I don't proclaim to be any kind of expert in what motions have been filed and what motions have not been filed in the case. CSW likes this because the 2-3years delay allows him time to escape the statute of limitations of the current CIVIL case of non payment of ATO tax. I doubt that ATO is going to let him "out of paying" taxes in Australia, especially since he has been engaging in fraud and concealment and tax authorities are not so easy to just let those kinds of things go based on some kind of supposed technicality. In other words, you are getting ahead of ur lil selfie, again, franky1. ::) ::) which once outside the limitation period. the ATO cant then file criminal charges of evasion. I doubt that the Australian Tax Office is going to consider itself as limited in its powers or jurisdiction as you seem to establish, franky1. CSW likes this because ira is validating CSW claims by saying there was a partnership. meaning it keeps his 'money guys' happily funding CSW's many games while keeping the ATO at arms length Seems a bit speculative, but hey, we are allowed to speculate here, I suppose. And you are part of the "speculative we," franky1. Congrats. ;) at this present moment, from ATO point of view CSW was just been handed a bill after they done an audit. that is all.. (he then legged it out of australia) now with the 'ownership' of the partnership in debate. the ATO still civilly have to work out who the bill payer actually is. which is civil. which is limited to a statue of limitations period yes we outside of courtrooms/tax offices. know its all a scam. but legally its just an unpaid bill. with a yet to begin civil case to determine fraud. its the whole tax avoidance/tax evasion difference where avoidance is legally allowed and civil. and evasion is criminal so again. once passed a certain date the ATO cant then go after him civilly to then try him criminally. Ok. So, you, franky1, are a ATO tax expert? Great. I could tell that you knew a lot of things, and gosh you even know more than I previously believed. hopefully your getting the many layers of CSW games now You mean the baloney floating around in your head? No I don't get it. Maybe you should 'splain to me, Eli5? [No don't do it, franky1. Please, please, please. I am just kidding.] and i hope this time you realise that this case will not end in a 'liquidation' order. because judges dont ask for that by default/automatic practice. otherwise thousands of businesses would get shutdown and employees lose jobs. just over co-founder disputes. Another prediction by franky1. We will see, won't we. this case. by actual words from ira's team is requesting that dave be included in a partnership. solidifying the partnership into a legal entity by doing so. I don't think that they are asking. I believe that CSW is proclaiming the existence of the partnership, so there seems to be no issue regarding whether there was a partnership. CSW admits it. The court need not "solidify" that particular issue.... all the money talk is outside the courtroom. and not going to be CSW coffin nail Sure. Maybe they will make a settlement, based on their private discussions. That could happen. Sure. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 08, 2020, 02:09:10 AM all that juan wants to keep circling back to is:
"settlement" "coins" "payout" seems he is stuck in that mindset again. oh well. IRA and CSW are both saying the partnership is real but .. heres the thing, they want THE JUDGE to say he agree's that its real then they can patent troll i know juan wants to imagine some 410k coin demand thing happening. but this whole game is about getting THE JUDGE to agree that the partnership is real under only the voice of ira and CSW both saying its real. without any further/actual proof. ira has directly asked the judge for this. but i see from now till october+ juan will just want to talk about coins coins coins so ill leave him in that ignorant 'its about coin' bubble. where there is no documents that suggest that its only about the coins Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 08, 2020, 02:40:07 AM all that juan wants to keep circling back to is: ......... [blah blah blah] i see from now till october+ juan will just want to talk about coins coins coins so ill leave him in that ignorant 'its about coin' bubble. So, in essence, franky, the wanky, we are agreeing that our discussion is becoming repetitive. We have both exhausted our various talking points, and stated our case several times and in several ways.... correct? Can we rest assured and let our already discussed information pieces stand until there might be new developments in the case? What do you think, franky? Do we have a current truce-point in our discussion :P :P (until you say a new dumb and seemingly implausible thing, which probably will not keep us in silence for very long)? :D :D :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 08, 2020, 05:49:08 AM ...snip... CSW wins even if IRA wins. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. which i deem CSW has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' ...snip... ... and then the 'real' Nakamoto turns up, proves that they all had absolutely nothing to do with creating Bitcoin whatsoever ... and whoopsie ... ... well one can dream ... Hahaha. 4d chess. That would be the best-ultimate-kung-fu-master-troll move Satoshi would be able to do. He already master-trolled everyone once with the Bitcoin. 8) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on July 08, 2020, 10:34:25 AM ...snip... CSW wins even if IRA wins. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. which i deem CSW has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' ...snip... ... and then the 'real' Nakamoto turns up, proves that they all had absolutely nothing to do with creating Bitcoin whatsoever ... and whoopsie ... ... well one can dream ... Hahaha. 4d chess. That would be the best-ultimate-kung-fu-master-troll move Satoshi would be able to do. He already master-trolled everyone once with the Bitcoin. 8) Master Yoda says: "Handsome fellow, Satoshi is" ... *Satire* Bruce Lee. Mirrors. Destroy the Image and you will break the enemy. HD *NSFW* *18+* - https://youtu.be/WoMVfvS8rSo ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on July 08, 2020, 08:19:07 PM ...snip... CSW wins even if IRA wins. as the only true costs CSW would pay is just the lawyers costs of both sides. which i deem CSW has already conned his 'money guys' into covering as the cost of doing business to get a judge validated title. which can then be used in future SLAPP cases which he promises profits to his 'money guys' ...snip... ... and then the 'real' Nakamoto turns up, proves that they all had absolutely nothing to do with creating Bitcoin whatsoever ... and whoopsie ... ... well one can dream ... Hahaha. 4d chess. That would be the best-ultimate-kung-fu-master-troll move Satoshi would be able to do. He already master-trolled everyone once with the Bitcoin. 8) Master Yoda says: "Handsome fellow, Satoshi is" ... *Satire* Bruce Lee. Mirrors. Destroy the Image and you will break the enemy. HD *NSFW* *18+* - https://youtu.be/WoMVfvS8rSo ;D 3 merits just cause you didn’t expect it, and enter the dragon. Oy... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 10, 2020, 08:09:53 AM all that juan wants to keep circling back to is: ......... [blah blah blah] i see from now till october+ juan will just want to talk about coins coins coins so ill leave him in that ignorant 'its about coin' bubble. So, in essence, franky, the wanky, we are agreeing that our discussion is becoming repetitive. We have both exhausted our various talking points, and stated our case several times and in several ways.... correct? Can we rest assured and let our already discussed information pieces stand until there might be new developments in the case? What do you think, franky? Do we have a current truce-point in our discussion :P :P (until you say a new dumb and seemingly implausible thing, which probably will not keep us in silence for very long)? :D :D :D i agree that you finally hint to realise your stuck in your infinity loop of 'its about coins" i agree trying to inform you of errors causing your loop. is then itself causing another loop i agree that you need to read the documents and not trolling someone because they live outside your loop so yes a truce. seeing as this case is going to be in october now. .. lets see if in october you can have a fresh mind thats escaped the 'its about coins' loop and finally recognise the request for bitcoin creation IP desire/claim/tactic thats completely obvious. 4 months should be long enough to fix your own loop error one last hint(though said many times) stick to the requests iras team actually made and dont call their actual words irrelevant. just to then go back to your speculative loop have a good 4 months rest Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 10, 2020, 09:09:00 AM all that juan wants to keep circling back to is: ......... [blah blah blah] i see from now till october+ juan will just want to talk about coins coins coins so ill leave him in that ignorant 'its about coin' bubble. So, in essence, franky, the wanky, we are agreeing that our discussion is becoming repetitive. We have both exhausted our various talking points, and stated our case several times and in several ways.... correct? Can we rest assured and let our already discussed information pieces stand until there might be new developments in the case? What do you think, franky? Do we have a current truce-point in our discussion :P :P (until you say a new dumb and seemingly implausible thing, which probably will not keep us in silence for very long)? :D :D :D i agree that you finally hint to realise your stuck in your infinity loop of 'its about coins" i agree trying to inform you of errors causing your loop. is then itself causing another loop i agree that you need to read the documents and not trolling someone because they live outside your loop so yes a truce. seeing as this case is going to be in october now. .. lets see if in october you can have a fresh mind thats escaped the 'its about coins' loop and finally recognise the request for bitcoin creation IP desire/claim/tactic thats completely obvious. 4 months should be long enough to fix your own loop error one last hint(though said many times) stick to the requests iras team actually made and dont call their actual words irrelevant. just to then go back to your speculative loop have a good 4 months rest Your representations of the truce are quite weird, franky1. Furthermore, I suggested that our truce is likely to be merely that we have been in a kind of static position in which we largely just repeat ideas rather than discussing anything new, perhaps until something else happens related to the case or maybe either of us might gain another perspective over one or more of the potentially relevant material issues related to the case. I doubt that we have to wait four months for new matters to come out of this subject - because in part, your boys CSW, Calvin et al are all about playing these matters in the public sphere, and if they could perhaps get any kind of pumpenings possibilities out of any of the developments, they would likely do it. Accordingly, I doubt that they would even find it in their interest to go into total radio silence for 4 months, unless they are planning some kind of exit scam or something like that... In other words, I doubt that we need to repeat ourselves, at this point, but maybe I might come back and attempt to figure out what the fuck you were talking about in your post, to the extent any of it might happen to mean something beyond already responded to gobbledy gook, so in that regard, you don't really seem to be saying anything substantially new in your attempt at a rendition of my position because my posts speak for themselves, rather than your spins of them. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 10, 2020, 09:27:14 AM I believe in franky1's mind, he's telling you that it would only take a mere four months to let all the information he has fed you simmer in your head before you are gaslighted.
franky1, I'm technically confused, and I need your "from the other side" perspective, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249795.0 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 10, 2020, 12:31:41 PM juan cries that i have not explained what CSW game is
juan cries that it doesnt fit his opinion juan cries that i the repeat the CSW game juan cries that he just aint understanding it ok juan we get it you cry and dont understand. i could not make it more clearer what ira's game is. than his actual words in the screen shot+links of the documents on record that show exactly what he is requesting even a child could understand that ira's request sounds exactly like the things that CSW would like too .. its very weird that you just want to repeat insults, cries, trolling attempts of how/why you dont understand. its very weird how even after a truce you go back to insulting and then trying to spin it into speculating the future if's maybe's and could be's again but fear not. i can clearly understand your opinions flaws and its misunderstandings. so you dont have to repeat your speculations further. so you can take a break if you still dont understand my stance on the case. dont read my stance. JUST READ IRA'S REQUEST which i have asked you to do many times. although you pretend whats wrote in a case is irrelevant to the case(facepalm). just read whats in the case to know what the case is about. its that simple enjoy a 4 month break edit to answer the two clowns below. doomad: IRA's request is no crystal ball its in the record document. CSE game(patent troll strategy) is 4 years old story juan: your now jsut being a nazi grammar troll. seems you have scratched the bottom of the rebuttal barrel because you cant rebut the actual iras requests because they are clearly recorded Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 10, 2020, 01:06:53 PM if you still dont understand my stance on the case. dont read my stance. JUST READ IRA'S REQUEST which i have asked you to do many times. although you pretend whats wrote in a case is irrelevant to the case(facepalm). just read whats in the case to know what the case is about. its that simple enjoy a 4 month break We understand your stance. What we don't understand is how you have a crystal ball or time machine so that you know beyond all doubt that you are correct when you are clearly prognosticating. Your arrogance is what's baffling. While it's possible you are right, you don't seem capable of accepting you might not be right. If it turns out you're wrong and Ira and Faketoshi aren't colluding, you'll just go quiet until the next subject you jump to a foregone conclusion on, that we're supposedly all "too stupid to understand" because we aren't convinced by your "evidence". Rinse, repeat. That's franky1 shitposting 101. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 10, 2020, 02:25:01 PM juan cries that i have not explained what CSW game is juan cries that it doesnt fit his opinion juan cries that i the repeat the CSW game juan cries that he just aint understanding it Juan cries that franky1 goes into truce status way too easily. You are such a good and compliant bud. ;) ok juan we get it you cry and dont understand. Franky1? You happen to be an understanding kind of a plural? omg... :o i could not make it more clearer what ira's game is. You could not make it more clear that you would like to repeat nonsense until everyone throws up. https://cdn.clipart.email/ce66d12913b8051ede62b4182dea86fc_vomit-emoji-png-and-vomit-emoji-transparent-clipart-free-download_260-260.jpeg than his actual words in the screen shot+links of the documents on record that show exactly what he is requesting even a child could understand that ira's request sounds exactly like the things that CSW would like too .. its very weird that you just want to repeat insults, cries, trolling attempts of how/why you dont understand. its very weird how even after a truce you go back to insulting and then trying to spin it into speculating the furure if's maybe's and couble's again It's very weird how much gobbledy gook gibberish you can come up with. but fear not. Do I appear afraid? i can clearly understand your opinions flaws and its misunderstandings. so you dont have to repeat your speculations further. so you can take a break Thanks for allowing me a break. You are so kind. if you still dont understand my stance on the case. dont read my stance. JUST READ IRA'S REQUEST which i have asked you to do many times. although you pretend whats wrote in a case is irrelevant to the case(facepalm). just read whats in the case to know what the case is about. its that simple enjoy a 4 month break Hey, if I were to get a 4 hour break, that would be amazing, especially with your kind of a truce maintenance. :-[ Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: rdbase on July 17, 2020, 02:01:53 AM After the max keiser interview done (I posted a link to it on this thread so it's somewhere) the mention of craig wright to him got a reaction, so they had to reach out to Mr. PhD next (as I liked to call him on my thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246331.msg54809201#msg54809201)) :D
So here is a trailer of it released yesterday. Watch a bit of it (nearly 2 minutes of repeating "Bitcoin is a scam") if you can not stand this guy enough listening to incoherent mumbling about "his bitcoin" is the wright one for 1.45 hours. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAwRAcSwobo Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 20, 2020, 08:05:21 AM This was sent to me. The statement made by this man makes me believe that either, franky1 is right, it's not about the coins/it's something more, OR, he's getting himself ready for an insanity plea.
Unfit world for people with Asperger's Syndrome, Bitcoin fixes this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdV7p4wXgAAh7Zv?format=jpg&name=large Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheArchaeologist on July 20, 2020, 08:20:41 AM Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn’t have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi. You forgot to sign it ;)But seriously: just copy-paste some stuff and post it as your own will only get you banned. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 20, 2020, 10:06:08 AM This was sent to me. The statement made by this man makes me believe that either, franky1 is right, it's not about the coins/it's something more, OR, he's getting himself ready for an insanity plea. Unfit world for people with Asperger's Syndrome, Bitcoin fixes this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdV7p4wXgAAh7Zv?format=jpg&name=large Think of it this way. That is a calculated statement for a compulsive liar to come out with. It is intentionally designed to alter peoples' perceptions of him:
I'm not buying it. It's just more lies from a determined con-man. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 20, 2020, 11:32:38 AM This was sent to me. The statement made by this man makes me believe that either, franky1 is right, it's not about the coins/it's something more, OR, he's getting himself ready for an insanity plea. Unfit world for people with Asperger's Syndrome, Bitcoin fixes this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdV7p4wXgAAh7Zv?format=jpg&name=large Think of it this way. That is a calculated statement for a compulsive liar to come out with. It is intentionally designed to alter peoples' perceptions of him:
I'm not buying it. It's just more lies from a determined con-man. From my point of view, it's obvious that he is saying, "I invented Bitcoin to help other people like me with Asperger's Syndrome", because he's hiding his real motivations. It's not the coins. Tin-foil hats on. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 20, 2020, 01:18:23 PM From my point of view, it's obvious that he is saying, "I invented Bitcoin to help other people like me with Asperger's Syndrome", because he's hiding his real motivations. It's not the coins. It's the fiat. Always has been with him. The more he can do to distract from his blatant theft of satoshi's mantle, the larger the number of people he can potentially dupe into buying his shitty forkcoin. When the price spikes sufficiently, he'll sell his presumably large stash for fiat. Classic long-con. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 20, 2020, 02:40:36 PM This was sent to me. The statement made by this man makes me believe that either, franky1 is right, it's not about the coins/it's something more, OR, he's getting himself ready for an insanity plea. Unfit world for people with Asperger's Syndrome, Bitcoin fixes this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdV7p4wXgAAh7Zv?format=jpg&name=large Think of it this way. That is a calculated statement for a compulsive liar to come out with. It is intentionally designed to alter peoples' perceptions of him:
I'm not buying it. It's just more lies from a determined con-man. To me, it reads like: Hey, I just learned this new word, and how it might fit into painting a favorable picture in my case. I am going to use this new word in a sentence.... You see how well such new word fits as a descriptor? ::) ::) So, yeah, in other words, I am not buying such distractive nonsense, either... He's wasting more of our time with his look at me, nonsense. And, Franky1 is not correct about shit, except perhaps if the roulette wheel happens to land on the spot that he is proclaiming to be predetermined, which is a long shot at best to even suggest that the world view of franky1 is even close to playing out, except perhaps by fluke... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: NotATether on July 20, 2020, 06:17:44 PM From my point of view, it's obvious that he is saying, "I invented Bitcoin to help other people like me with Asperger's Syndrome", because he's hiding his real motivations. It's not the coins. It's the fiat. Always has been with him. The more he can do to distract from his blatant theft of satoshi's mantle, the larger the number of people he can potentially dupe into buying his shitty forkcoin. When the price spikes sufficiently, he'll sell his presumably large stash for fiat. Classic long-con. And then BSV shrivels as he has less interest pumping a coin he cashed out on until it becomes a footnote in a history book about cryptocurrencies. Some people will do anything to net hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions seem too far-out even to schemers like him. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 21, 2020, 08:52:40 AM From my point of view, it's obvious that he is saying, "I invented Bitcoin to help other people like me with Asperger's Syndrome", because he's hiding his real motivations. It's not the coins. It's the fiat. Always has been with him. The more he can do to distract from his blatant theft of satoshi's mantle, the larger the number of people he can potentially dupe into buying his shitty forkcoin. When the price spikes sufficiently, he'll sell his presumably large stash for fiat. Classic long-con. For Calvin Ayre it's the fiat. For Craig Wright, maybe it's also the fiat, but it is also what "they", the people behind this show, want us to believe. This Borat-like character "they" created has hidden motives. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gentlemand on July 21, 2020, 09:23:48 AM For Calvin Ayre it's the fiat. For Craig Wright, maybe it's also the fiat, but it is also what "they", the people behind this show, want us to believe. This Borat-like character "they" created has hidden motives. He's planting the Asperger's seed now for insurance purposes. It gets you off the hook for any amount of errant behaviour. When every foundation of his ludicrous crap is finally chipped away he can offload it all on that. And then he'll claim to be trans to add some extra heart wrenching detail. And an alien. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 22, 2020, 01:56:56 AM And, Franky1 is not correct about shit, except perhaps if the roulette wheel happens to land on the spot that he is proclaiming to be predetermined, which is a long shot at best to even suggest that the world view of franky1 is even close to playing out, except perhaps by fluke... my words are that Iras side want to get a judge to validate there was a partnership involving the creation of bitcoin and its IP and has made no request for CSW to buy out daves estates 50% i even screenshotted the actual request from the actual documents. which actually stated this https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png i spent many pages of posts trying to atleast get you to read the documents. but yet again here you are trying to spin it into how my words are just my view. maybe next time READ THE DOCUMENTS funny how the "truce" you pretended to offer only lasted a few days. next time dont try making what ira actually requested sound irrelevant by hinting it must be wrong because franky mentioned it. instead actually read what ira requested and how its about the IP show me one place where ira asked to get CSW to pay out to ira (buy out daves 50%)(your theory) all thats been said is the amounts and the partnership. not any settlement offer/requests ill give you a hint. the screen shot of actual court documentation says (2)(3) all IP and assets REMAIN part of the partnership nowhere does it say (2)(3) 50% of IP assets needs CSW to pay to daves estate emphasis: remain (my view) split/buyout(your view) now again which view does the actual document side with in regards to the actual request that is supposedly CSW's "sanction" seems CSW punishment is giving him what he wants anyways READ THE DOCUMENTS. it makes you look foolish when you just try to make legal documents look irrelevant and then just try making social drama on a forum by you saying Ira's requests are irrelevant and you have a better theory. is you playing your own game of roulette. but im sorry your friends might be at your table. playing the game with you. but you need to realise your playing theory roulette not me i prefer card counting whats actually on the table to increase the odds of my hand. but you continue into your game of unpredictability. just dont try making it look like others are playing your game when you dont even understand the other games i play that your not part of in a case. what matters more is the word in the documents. not the social drama on a forum the courts have nothing to do with. so stick to the words in the documents. then you wont think that a game of roulette is being played. then you will learn that iras request is actually the same thing CSW has been wanting for 4 years. and ira getting his request is a win for CSW anything after that request (the game your playing) is roulette Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 22, 2020, 09:48:25 AM Is it truly possible for Craig Wright, and his partner/s to actually "own" Bitcoin intellectual property? Bitcoin is open source, free to copy/use.
For Calvin Ayre it's the fiat. For Craig Wright, maybe it's also the fiat, but it is also what "they", the people behind this show, want us to believe. This Borat-like character "they" created has hidden motives. He's planting the Asperger's seed now for insurance purposes. It gets you off the hook for any amount of errant behaviour. When every foundation of his ludicrous crap is finally chipped away he can offload it all on that. And then he'll claim to be trans to add some extra heart wrenching detail. And an alien. Insanity plea. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54833180#msg54833180 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 22, 2020, 05:29:11 PM Is it truly possible for Craig Wright, and his partner/s to actually "own" Bitcoin intellectual property? Bitcoin is open source, free to copy/use. once you understand SLAPP's you understand that its never actually about being the undeniable physical proof creator. its about having a legal judgement that favours your side of the fence that you had some legally approved association over its creation its about just having enough of a shoe to have your foot in the door. to atleast get into the party and cause drama and damage once inside EG saying the licences began in 2009. but he can claim he was involved pre2009 and certain devs stole his "property" and then released it for free thus causing financial damage. and many other techniques SLAPPER's use funny part ill mention again even gmax himself had many hissy fits about other people making apps for bitcoin that HE didnt want to endorse. crying many times that they should be treated as oppositions. and opting to shame them into nonexistance he even wants to puppetmaster what language people have to stick to. he doesnt want devs to make bitcoin fullnode apps in rust, java, go or other languages. and his mindset of if its not CORE then its not bitcoin it has been funny watching his ego at play. flipping that its open source then flopping at anyone trying to be independent. especially his blockstream 'defensive patent licence' Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 22, 2020, 09:40:05 PM Is it truly possible for Craig Wright, and his partner/s to actually "own" Bitcoin intellectual property? Bitcoin is open source, free to copy/use. once you understand SLAPP's No wait, let me guess, we just have to keep reading and researching until we form the same conclusion you did, right? :D Just dox yourself so we can call some mental health professionals and get you the help you so clearly need. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: CandelaCoin on July 22, 2020, 09:47:03 PM I think many are of the opinion that Hal Finney is Satoshi, or at least worked with Satoshi in some sort of development capacity.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 22, 2020, 10:09:59 PM Is it truly possible for Craig Wright, and his partner/s to actually "own" Bitcoin intellectual property? Bitcoin is open source, free to copy/use. once you understand SLAPP's No wait, let me guess, we just have to keep reading and researching until we form the same conclusion you did, right? :D Just dox yourself so we can call some mental health professionals and get you the help you so clearly need. is not about keep reading. for you its about you trying to read something for the first time most smart people (definetly not you) know what CSW game has been since he first came on the scene 4 years ago. many people know what slapp cases are about as for your own mentality. its become clear you just ass kiss a certain group and they thank you by handing you what opinion you should think. and you thank them back with more ass kissing without questioning them you might be surprised to read what ira's request is and then be surprised that it actually aligns with what CSW also wants. which plays exactly into CSw long term game since he first got noticed but until you see iras requests in the document. your mind is on instant denial of what ira is requesting because you think it cant be right if i mentioned it maybe try checking the source for once how about try to restrain yourself just once. and address the topic. and use actual quotes from recent documents that are most relevant. . lets see if you can restrain yourself from looking like an idiot, just once just try to mention something about ira's request without making a post about me, without if statements or denial of what the requested words are just try. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on July 24, 2020, 11:09:35 AM Is it truly possible for Craig Wright, and his partner/s to actually "own" Bitcoin intellectual property? Bitcoin is open source, free to copy/use. once you understand SLAPP's you understand that its never actually about being the undeniable physical proof creator. its about having a legal judgement that favours your side of the fence that you had some legally approved association over its creation its about just having enough of a shoe to have your foot in the door. to atleast get into the party and cause drama and damage once inside EG saying the licences began in 2009. but he can claim he was involved pre2009 and certain devs stole his "property" and then released it for free thus causing financial damage. and many other techniques SLAPPER's use funny part ill mention again even gmax himself had many hissy fits about other people making apps for bitcoin that HE didnt want to endorse. crying many times that they should be treated as oppositions. and opting to shame them into nonexistance he even wants to puppetmaster what language people have to stick to. he doesnt want devs to make bitcoin fullnode apps in rust, java, go or other languages. and his mindset of if its not CORE then its not bitcoin it has been funny watching his ego at play. flipping that its open source then flopping at anyone trying to be independent. especially his blockstream 'defensive patent licence' OK, but what happens if Satoshi signs a message from one of the first 10 addresses, that says "Craig Wright/the whole case is a fraud"? Plus it's not about, "if it's not Core, it's not Bitcoin". Bitcoin Core is the reference client, Bitcoin has the most accumulated Proof of Work, the others are forked-shitcoin-scams. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 26, 2020, 06:21:50 AM OK, but what happens if Satoshi signs a message from one of the first 10 addresses, that says "Craig Wright/the whole case is a fraud"? thats the whole point. what the whole world knows. and whats been added into the court documents are two different things. take criminal court. there might be many witnesses available to a crime. but if they are not entered into court they cant be used as evidence within the court. its why many people end up wrongfully imprisoned because they did not get witnesses/evidence into the case. even when witnesses/evidence was available in the world. innocent people get accused of a crime by stupid lack of evidence.. and not bringing other evidence to prove the opposite yes we can play the roulette game of certain people about possible appeals later. but this case has not been about claiming CSW is a pennyless scammer. but instead that there is a partnership that does have IP again its not about the coins. its about identifying the kleiman estate and CSW as co-partners of certain IP. ira's own words are requesting to legitimise the partnership and its IP linkage the coin debate is for later appeals and cases in other peoples roulette game of who will want to buy out who and how the funds will transfer. and even roulette games of will there be a py out attempt that even turns into another case of non payment... but thats for other cases and other IF scenarios outside of this case but to more directly address your question. CSW has already tried the game of 'it must be one of the money men or the trust holders or the messenger guy or ira that has the keys and done this to mislead the case' and it proves CSW case that the keys are available 'somewhere' and thus the case continued so CSW and IRA can just not talk about any public signing, thus no evidence inside the court to discuss. or use it as proof the keys are inplay and accessible to keep the case alive Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 26, 2020, 10:07:35 AM just try to mention something about ira's request without making a post about me, without if statements or denial of what the requested words are just try. Consider what it is you're asking here. You want to provide your whackjob spin on what Ira's words mean, then tell us to remove you from the equation. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way. I have read Ira's words without your loony interpretation attempting to warp it. Ira's words on their own do not indicate collusion with faketoshi. YOUR words are the ones suggesting collusion. If you then want me to consider your insane fairytale about what Ira's words mean, YOU then become the source, because these then become YOUR words, NOT Ira's. Reading Ira's words as many times as you'd like me to will not add any legitimacy to YOUR perspective. You don't get to speculate about someone else's motives and then demand everyone has to take your guesswork as some sort of gospel truth. Same goes for every other topic you have ever participated in where you tell someone they need to read more to understand your unique take on things. Take the damn hint. No one ever sees it the way you do. You are a fruitcake and normal people clearly process the available information differently to you. We can't see your conspiratorial intrigue here. It's all in your head. I could read Ira's words another thousand times and still not see any evidence of collusion with faketoshi. So just do what you normally do, call us all sheep and move on to the next topic where you totally fail to convince us of anything. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: vapourminer on July 26, 2020, 01:03:24 PM we need a cheat sheet or something. it all blurs together. like, even worse than before.
my worthless opinion? dementia. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 26, 2020, 08:00:23 PM And, Franky1 is not correct about shit, except perhaps if the roulette wheel happens to land on the spot that he is proclaiming to be predetermined, which is a long shot at best to even suggest that the world view of franky1 is even close to playing out, except perhaps by fluke... my words are that Iras side want to get a judge to validate there was a partnership involving the creation of bitcoin and its IP and has made no request for CSW to buy out daves estates 50% i even screenshotted the actual request from the actual documents. which actually stated this https://i.imgur.com/l9rOBq3.png i spent many pages of posts trying to atleast get you to read the documents. but yet again here you are trying to spin it into how my words are just my view. maybe next time READ THE DOCUMENTS funny how the "truce" you pretended to offer only lasted a few days. You are just repeating out of context nonsense, franky1. Not even worth responding to you because you are not really saying anything or pointing out any new facts or developments that we have not already covered in one way or another.. that pretty much substantiates my statement about you being "full of shit." If you could, at least, unfill yourself from the out of context ramblings for a bit, we might find something to work with.. otherwise, we may as well stay in a kind of truce status, no? next time dont try making what ira actually requested sound irrelevant by hinting it must be wrong because franky mentioned it. instead actually read what ira requested and how its about the IP show me one place where ira asked to get CSW to pay out to ira (buy out daves 50%)(your theory) all thats been said is the amounts and the partnership. not any settlement offer/requests ill give you a hint. the screen shot of actual court documentation says (2)(3) all IP and assets REMAIN part of the partnership nowhere does it say (2)(3) 50% of IP assets needs CSW to pay to daves estate emphasis: remain (my view) split/buyout(your view) now again which view does the actual document side with in regards to the actual request that is supposedly CSW's "sanction" seems CSW punishment is giving him what he wants Irrelevant baloney. We do not have a case that is deciding the issues that you present. We have a case that is likely attempting to decide how much, if anything that CSW owes Ira (Dave's estate). anyways READ THE DOCUMENTS. it makes you look foolish when you just try to make legal documents look irrelevant and then just try making social drama on a forum by you saying Ira's requests are irrelevant and you have a better theory. is you playing your own game of roulette. but im sorry your friends might be at your table. playing the game with you. but you need to realise your playing theory roulette not me Usually a better starting point is to figure out what is being charged in the case, and therefore, at least you are sticking to issues that are in front of the judge and/or the potential jury to decide, rather than just making shit up and saying that the case is about some other issue that is not even central to the case (which you repeatedly are doing. Your repetition in terms of making the case about some other nonsense issue does not cause the case to become about those nonsense issues that you are ascribing to the case). i prefer card counting whats actually on the table to increase the odds of my hand. but you continue into your game of unpredictability. Well, if you believe that you are at a Black Jack table, but it ends up being 5 card draw, then you are not likely going to come to the right conclusions, even if you employ all of the best practices and the correct Black Jack techniques. just dont try making it look like others are playing your game when you dont even understand the other games i play that your not part of in a case. what matters more is the word in the documents. not the social drama on a forum the courts have nothing to do with. so stick to the words in the documents. Well, I am making the same accusation of you. So this is likely where the truce part kicks in. I believe that you believe that you are in some kind of other game - which is detached from the reality of the real game. then you wont think that a game of roulette is being played. then you will learn that iras request is actually the same thing CSW has been wanting for 4 years. and ira getting his request is a win for CSW anything after that request (the game your playing) is roulette We can agree to disagree regarding which one of us is sitting at the proper table (or game). Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on July 26, 2020, 11:35:37 PM Perhaps someone should make a franky1 free CSW thread. I'm pretty sure everyone except franky1 would prefer it at this point, otherwise the conversation has just become totally boring and repetitive.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 27, 2020, 09:09:38 AM typical gmax response anyone that counters the gmax fanclub mindset should be shunned and ignored. just because they oppose the gmax fanclub. and not related to the points they are making actually refer to actual facts that can be referenced
GMax prime example. he is still throwing the ego of not wanting devs to be independant enough to write code in rust. so gmax.. are you still opposing anyone that might want to write bitcoin code in their preferred language? if so, its such god complex you have. and you oneday might want to sort that out as for jayjuan and doomad ira's request is ira's request its asking to legitimate the partnership. not asking to separate the partnership/split the assets its asking to legitimise the partnership to include intellectual property. its is not asking who should buy out who from the partnership the reason i keep referring to the same point is more to do with you ignoring ira's request to then create your own roulette games of "likely attempting" and IF's its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'. but hey stick with the ignorant fanclub you lot are in its kinda becoming comical watching how stupid you become to avoid thinking outside of your clubhouse mindset people outside the gmax fanclub seem to know what CSW game is of patent trolling. and knew it for years people outside of gmax fanclub can see that ira's request actually helps CSW achieve those goals but it is funny how you want to play the ignorance game so go ahead show your ignorance some more. your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 27, 2020, 09:30:57 AM your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him. ::) You're totally on your own. How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them? Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 27, 2020, 10:26:33 AM by you thinking i need a crowd and i need a gospel shows your stuck in the mindset of religious followers, not science of fact
maybe if you tried talking more about ira's words and less about social groups and religious buzzwords and defending your fellow followers. you can actually grasp the topic i know you follow people based on faith, god complex's and social traits. i prefer to base my opinions on referenced facts and real information such as ira's requests being the exact same thing that CSW wants (a thing you keep avoiding) yea i dont want to be in your religion of roulette games and god adoration brigades, but that does not mean you should think i need to create my own rivalling religion. but atleast it reveals how you think i already called you out about your attempts to pigeon me into other groups. you really have not learned what independence is have you Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DooMAD on July 27, 2020, 11:04:05 AM by you thinking i need a crowd and i need a gospel shows your stuck in the mindset of religious followers, not science of fact Thank you. You've just proven once again that you can read something and come away with entirely the wrong impression. The point I was making by using the word "gospel" is that you are so caught up in your own fairytales that you are the one who has lost all track of the facts. maybe if you tried talking more about ira's words Maybe if you tried talking less. I'll explain it again. The more you add your own spin on Ira's words, the less they become Ira's words. How is this so difficult a concept for you to grasp? Just accept that we don't see it the way you do. I'll be unfollowing this topic now. You're free to tell whatever stories you want. Go nuts. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 27, 2020, 02:37:26 PM as for jayjuan and doomad ira's request is ira's request ...... its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'. I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters. In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about." In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1. :D :D :D :D :D your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him. ::) You're totally on your own. How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them? The amazing franky1 has defied all logic and previous geometrical theories by magnificently creating a circle of one!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 28, 2020, 04:27:41 PM as for jayjuan and doomad ira's request is ira's request ...... its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'. I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters. In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about." In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1. :D :D :D :D :D your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him. ::) You're totally on your own. How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them? The amazing franky1 has defied all logic and previous geometrical theories by magnificently creating a circle of one!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o funny part is. you pretend that its about the coins. yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount. no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium i know you wanna play roulette about the coins drama. but its nothing about the coins its establishing the partnership and establishing whats included.. not how it should be split your games of splits, coins, buyouts, if's, shoulds, coulds.. is your speculative mumbo jumbo roulette wheels of misdirection ira's request is pretty clear. it says asking to establish the partnership and its assets into fact.. it does not say split, payout,buyout so. sticking to the actual point about what ira's request is trying to establish.. this same request is something that is beneficial to CSW and of no actual hardship/punishment to him if it is established something CSW has been wanting to be made some how publicly/legaaly deemed as fact for many years its no mistery but lets see you waste more mindless posts saying im wrong simply because i dont follow your fanclub memberships theory it has been funny watching you trip over yourself many times ignoring and calling ira's words/case documentation irrelevant or that it must be wrong because franky pointed it out.. (lamest excuse ever) but all the time being ignorant of the words of the case to then spread the utopian hope of a roulette wheel gamble that ira 'may' 'if' he 'could' 'later' 'try' to seek damages. 'if' CSW doesnt pay the court costs. it has been funny how many may's if's should's could's you threw into your theory.. yet all i had to do was screen shot the actual request and then dumb it down into 5yo speak.. then funny again how you cant grasp the basics even then its weird how you are just not understanding CSW's long game that he has been playing for years anyway see you in october and please just avoid going into your crazy would of payouts/buyouts.. your just not helping yourself Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 28, 2020, 05:44:31 PM as for jayjuan and doomad ira's request is ira's request ...... its funny how you think iras ACTUAL request is 'irrelevant baloney'. I am not sure if I can speak for doomad, exactly, but it seems to me that both of us believe that the actual charges of the case (which thereby focus the court on which issues it is going to attempt to resolve) remains how we should be considering these matters. In other words, you just don't make up new shit that the court is supposedly resolving, even if the topic comes up tangentially in the case and proclaim that is "what the case is all about." In other words, you are a dimwitted twat, franky1. :D :D :D :D :D your circle of fans will just get smaller the more ignorant you become Said the person who doesn't even have a circle because no one wants to listen to him. ::) You're totally on your own. How about, instead of talking to us mindless sheep, you find some people who understand your unrivalled genius and you can go preach your franky1 gospel at them? The amazing franky1 has defied all logic and previous geometrical theories by magnificently creating a circle of one!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o funny part is. you pretend that its about the coins. I am not pretending anything, so there is no need for you to recharacterize my position into some strawman that you can knock down. My position is wait and see, and also my position is that the case has parameters that are attempting to be worked out. I don't disagree with you that there are underlying agendas, but I do disagree with your ongiong conspiracy angle that craig and ira are conspiring. yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated Not an issue in this case. Snap out of it, franky.. if you can? no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount. no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows? but not an issue in the case. i know you wanna play roulette about the coins drama. but its nothing about the coins its establishing the partnership and establishing whats included.. not how it should be split Oh? I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate? your games of splits, coins, buyouts, if's, shoulds, coulds.. is your speculative mumbo jumbo roulette wheels of misdirection I'm just going by the case. It's not like I am following every little detail, like you seem to be doing in your attempt to find things that you can make up shit, while ignoring the actual issues that are attempting to be sorted in the actual case and the actual ways that cases proceed in the usa, and this one happens to be in florida.ira's request is pretty clear. it says asking to establish the partnership and its assets into fact.. it does not say split, payout,buyout I have not heard whether the terms of the partnership were being disputed. I thought that CSW stipulated that there was a partnership. I am not sure how much more of the details of the supposed partnership might actually be in dispute, currently. Again, I am not following the matter very closely because it hardly means anything at this point... and sure there may be a settlement or there might be a ruling and sure there might be some drama.. and sure, they are getting close to the court date, so likely the drama is coming closer, in the event that the court date is not delayed or some overall settlement is not reached. We have already seen all kinds of delays, yet the latest news seems to be that the trial is currently set to start on October 13 (https://coingeek.com/kleiman-v-wright-trial-delayed-until-october-13/)- which is still a long time to have new developments, settlement of issues or even potentially raising of some new issues (perhaps?) so. sticking to the actual point about what ira's request is trying to establish.. this same request is something that is beneficial to CSW and of no actual hardship/punishment to him if it is established something CSW has been wanting to be made some how publicly/legaaly deemed as fact for many years its no mistery I doubt that the case is going so much in favor of craig as you believe that it is, even though craig et al are trying to figure out various ways to maneuver to prepare for any kind of outcome, including outcomes that they would deem as adverse. but lets see you waste more mindless posts saying im wrong simply because i dont follow your fanclub memberships theory it has been funny watching you trip over yourself many times ignoring and calling ira's words/case documentation irrelevant or that it must be wrong because franky pointed it out.. (lamest excuse ever) You sound hurt, franky. I doubt that my earlier posts are even close to as problematic as you make them out to be. but all the time being ignorant of the words of the case to then spread the utopian hope of a roulette wheel gamble that ira 'may' 'if' he 'could' 'later' 'try' to seek damages. 'if' CSW doesnt pay the court costs. it has been funny how many may's if's should's could's you threw into your theory.. yet all i had to do was screen shot the actual request and then dumb it down into 5yo speak.. then funny again how you cant grasp the basics even then its weird how you are just not understanding CSW's long game that he has been playing for years To the extent that I have employed "ifs," "mays" or other conditionals is because I prefer to speak of the future in terms of probabilities rather than presuming an outcome that has not yet happened. It would not be very healthy psychologically or even financially to prepare for the future in such a way that you already know what is going to happen, because you will kind of end up being screwed (or at least screwed in the head) when your view of the future does not play out as expected, which seems to be the case more than not. Of course, there are some matters that are more within personal control and can be planned, but when there are a number of actors involved, even irrational, manipulative or crazy actors, then it becomes much more difficult to predict the future in regards to the involvement of those kinds of actors with any degree of certainty.. but still does not mean that there might not be some attempts to predict or even to prepare for the unexpected... or the various kinds of preparations that involve knowns and unknowns and even unknown, unknowns. Does not make preparation futile, and of course, you have some pie in the sky theories in which you want to foist your view of the future upon others, which seems even more ridiculous when you want others to accept unknowns as if they were known, and you are not even able to provide substantial, meaningful and/or convincing evidence to assist in that direction, and frequently you provide evidence of the opposite.. evidence that does not even support your pie in the sky conclusions, but instead support the opposite conclusions. I am not saying that you do this all the time, but you do it enough to cause almost no one to want to go along with your fantasylandia theories, but does not stop you from repeating and persisting with such nonsense.. which surely causes some of us to just want to make fun of you and your theories, even if you might have some good and valid points in there, from time to time (rarely, but sure from time to time there might be some good and valid points in there). anyway see you in october and please just avoid going into your crazy would of payouts/buyouts.. your just not helping yourself Ok. sure.. between now and October, there could be some further material developments, but sure until then, there seems to be ongoing trial preparations for both sides... and I cannot imagine the case going completely into dark mode or not even having some potentially interesting twists and developments prior to the October trial... until then, truce it is. #nohomo ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: franky1 on July 31, 2020, 10:11:26 PM yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated Not an issue in this case. Snap out of it, franky.. if you can? no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount. no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows? but not an issue in the case. Oh? I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate? 1. go on say let me see you say it just one more time .. ira's legal request in a legal document linked to ocal case has no relevance to the case.. oh wait i just quoted you saying its not an issue above. maybe you need to snap ut of the cycle of calling legal documented requests irrelevant to a legal case. kinda weird you cant. 2. flip "could be part of a back settlement" "who knows" "still a long way aways from settlement talk" flop "i thought" "ira was trying to claim damages" 3. really concentrate on your flip flop of point 2 then read ira's request where he is not requesting who should buy out who. he is only requesting the partnership to be legitimised as fact by court order/judgement heck even who pays who of just the legal cost damage is undecided. all your other rambling for multiple pages now has nothing to do with the documents but everything to do with your 'could be' scenarios many be your thoughts and speculation roulette game flip flops however.. we all know and is in documented proof. that ira is asking the judge for the exact thing CSW would also like so he can do his SLAPP's remember this point clearly ira asking for something that benefits CSW is not an IF. as its clearly in the document as a legal request by ira to the judge maybe stick to the words of the document.. oh wait i said that many many many pages ago and you dont more time wasting making endless posts of excuses why you shouldnt read the documents. that are DIRECTLY CONCERNING the case as for your other ramblings thats just comedy to reply to the below yep as always juan being ignorant of the actual requests made in the legal case then juan pretends that any mention of anything in the legal case is 'comprehensible' thus more reason for him to be ignorant to the details of the case starting to wonder why was he crying that people should not play roulette. when it was him and his friends that were playing roulette Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on July 31, 2020, 10:27:35 PM yet all thats being requested is to establish the trust and its IP contents are validated Not an issue in this case. Snap out of it, franky.. if you can? no talk at all of ira should buy out CSW at a discount. no talk about if CSW should buy out IRA at a premium Could be parts of back settlement discussions.. who knows? but not an issue in the case. Oh? I thought that Ira was trying to get damages from craig on behalf of Dave's estate? 1. go on say let me see you say it just one more time .. ira's legal request in a legal document linked to ocal case has no relevance to the case.. oh wait i just quoted you saying its not an issue above. maybe you need to snap ut of the cycle of calling legal documented requests irrelevant to a legal case. kinda weird you cant. 2. flip "could be part of a back settlement" "who knows" "still a long way aways from settlement talk" flop "i thought" "ira was trying to claim damages" 3. really concentrate on your flip flop of point 2 then read ira's request where he is not requesting who should buy out who. he is only requesting the partnership to be legitimised as fact by court order/judgement heck even who pays who of just the legal cost damage is undecided. all your other rambling for multiple pages now has nothing to do with the documents but everything to do with your 'could be' scenarios many be your thoughts and speculation roulette game flip flops however.. we all know and is in documented proof. that ira is asking the judge for the exact thing CSW would also like so he can do his SLAPP's remember this point clearly ira asking for something that benefits CSW is not an IF. as its clearly in the document as a legal request by ira to the judge maybe stick to the words of the document.. oh wait i said that many many many pages ago and you dont more time wasting making endless posts of excuses why you shouldnt read the documents. that are DIRECTLY CONCERNING the case as for your other ramblings thats just comedy Yes, we agree on your last sentence regarding the comedy of your response.. at least in the sense of how much gobble-dee-gook nonsense you are able to spew out. I did not see anything within your above post that was even with any kind of ballpark of sufficiently comprehensible in which I could respond, so therefore, I am prepared to merely stand by the assertions of my earlier posts, unless you happen to either point to something that I am missing or maybe if there were some kind of new development(s) in the case that might be worthy of some kind of response from wee lil ole me. ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 11, 2020, 09:02:15 PM FWIW, I had to give gmaxwell merit for the sweet one line script 8) One line script:wget https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 && MSG=`cat 1148565 | head -n 7 | sed -e 's/\"//'`; echo $MSG ; tail -n 145 1148565 | while read -d $'\n' -a line ; do echo ${line[0]} `./bitcoin-cli verifymessage ${line[0]} ${line[1]} "$MSG"` ; done And the output: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi 1FbPLPR1XoufBQRPGd9JBLPbKLaGjbax5m true <SNIP> For grins, I took the 145 signed addresses, identified their coinbase transaction's block height and extra nonce values and plotted them along with other unspent blocks (NOT in one line LOL) in the same timeframe: https://i.imgur.com/AgpwbmG.jpg As you can see this NOT CSW miner's Extra Nonce values grow in the traditional sloped lines until they restarted their instance, but the angle does NOT confirm to the nearly vertical slopped lines that some suspect is Satoshi's own mining activity since the same distinct pattern/angle begins at block 1. How interesting... Actually when you zoom in to the action after 30K there are clearly multiple mining lines overlapping I think suggesting multiple computers were involved in mining this collection of blocks: https://i.imgur.com/fFZLJBI.jpg As eaLiTy previously noted all of those signed addresses were unspent for a total of 7,250 BTCs worth ~ 82,650,000 USD today :P Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: erikoy on August 11, 2020, 09:51:56 PM yeah he maybe a liar or fraud but many had believe in him in the things that he says before. He had made a huge rally to cryptocurrency development. He manage to make cryptocurrency popular because of the claims that he did though there are some who believe already in the first place but most of the new here in cryptocurrency had figured out late when news at present stated that his claims are not true. Well, I guess that he is also part of cryptocurrency evolution and well still be thankful that.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on August 12, 2020, 03:07:21 AM yeah he maybe a liar or fraud but many had believe in him in the things that he says before. He had made a huge rally to cryptocurrency development. He manage to make cryptocurrency popular because of the claims that he did though there are some who believe already in the first place but most of the new here in cryptocurrency had figured out late when news at present stated that his claims are not true. Well, I guess that he is also part of cryptocurrency evolution and well still be thankful that. I don't see any reason to be thankful for that scammer twat or any of the gangsters who financed his misleading and self-serving narcissistic behaviors, the fact that he engaged in a clownshow to bring attention to himself and to the bitcoin space... so fucking what? Sure, it is something that actually did happen and is in the process of still happening in one degree or another, and sure, it is probably a good idea to attempt to recognize the actual facts for whatever they have been or continue to be, including that there was a kind of a shit show that is continuing through the activities of those ongoing scammers... yet those facts that the scams have happened or continue to happen does not mean that any of those water under the bridge activities actually added value, even though the activities actually happened and continue to happen... . Seems to me that sometimes it is better to criticize something for what it is and to denigrate it rather than trying to put some kind of positive spin on something that hardly even seems positive. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hermawan9416 on August 12, 2020, 03:13:28 PM Craig continues to be a clown for real traders and analysts. But I don't understand how he still does it.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 12, 2020, 03:18:20 PM Clown show continues ...
"Craig Wright: Private keys don’t equal identity" - hxxps://coingeek.com/craig-wright-private-keys-dont-equal-identity/ "Keys ≠ Identity By Craig Wright | 08 Aug 2020" - hxxps://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/keys-identity/ and I quote ... "You do not own your bitcoin because you have a key. ..." :D "... The mere possession of a key does not give ownership. ..." :D ::) ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54735447#msg54735447 The techno/legal-babble blog post makes some sense, when you remember that Craig Wright has failed to produce any valid Private Keys or signed messages, to-date, whatsoever, whereas unknown others clearly have ... see the OP. The direction of BSV and the likely defense in the upcoming court case is also made much clearer though. ... Here is what CSW's blog post should be titled ... No Satoshi Private Keys = No Satoshi Identity ... Danger Mouse - 99 Problems (2004) *NSFW* - https://youtu.be/kxW6e1jgt5Q Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 12, 2020, 04:57:15 PM Clown show continues ... I am confused what CSW is trying to obtain in the end. "Craig Wright: Private keys don’t equal identity" - hxxps://coingeek.com/craig-wright-private-keys-dont-equal-identity/ "Keys ≠ Identity By Craig Wright | 08 Aug 2020" - hxxps://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/keys-identity/ and I quote ... "You do not own your bitcoin because you have a key. ..." :D "... The mere possession of a key does not give ownership. ..." :D Without the private key the BTC associated to the address can't be accessed period. Plenty of folks have learned that the hard way. :'( If he has the keys then he can get the BTCs, but obviously he 'lost' (or never had them) them, but is attempting to claim ownership in a US(?) court? What court is going to buy that he owns them when he can't really prove ownership? Even if you buy his load about "Private keys don’t equal identity" given how bitcoin exists how can he hope to do better? Even if he 'won' what does he hope to achieve? magical access to all of 'his' BTCs? Would that require forcing Bitcoin code mod to hard fork and hand him all of 'his' BTCs? How does *any* government force a non-govt org like bitcoin to do that exactly? Obviously if that was to pass it would be the end of all non national cryptocurrencies as we know them... Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 12, 2020, 06:35:43 PM I am confused what CSW is trying to obtain in the end. Without the private key the BTC associated to the address can't be accessed period. Plenty of folks have learned that the hard way. :'( If he has the keys then he can get the BTCs, but obviously he 'lost' (or never had them) them, but is attempting to claim ownership in a US(?) court? What court is going to buy that he owns them when he can't really prove ownership? Even if you buy his load about "Private keys don’t equal identity" given how bitcoin exists how can he hope to do better? Even if he 'won' what does he hope to achieve? magical access to all of 'his' BTCs? Would that require forcing Bitcoin code mod to hard fork and hand him all of 'his' BTCs? How does *any* government force a non-govt org like bitcoin to do that exactly? Obviously if that was to pass it would be the end of all non national cryptocurrencies as we know them... Freedom from perjury? Continuing the BSV sham for as long as possible? Who knows? Indeed. No private key = lost (inaccessible) address, loss of any Bitcoin at said address and no ability to sign messages from said address. CSW is claiming that the 'satoshi' private key addresses are locked up inside the Tulip Trust under a Shamir's Secret Sharing scheme, whilst some of those addresses have been signed by not Craig Wright and are supposed to be inaccessible. Its a catch 22 situation and/or 'blame game' for him now. We could all pontificate game theory on the likely outcomes of this case, but that would potentially be giving him new 'ideas', perhaps ... ...snip... ... This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version. ...snip... Unlucky for some ... *Shrugs* - https://youtu.be/5ymFX91HwM0 "..."we successfully petitioned CSW to identify the documents which prove he is Satoshi by 4th September" ATO is following things with interest again, I guess. Or probably not. ..." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1288844221340962817 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeLk_OjXkAIBgia?format=png&name=medium ... "I typed "2+2=" into my calculator and it says the answer is "ask a judge"..." - https://twitter.com/cyberat2600/status/1286662921842503680 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 12, 2020, 06:56:04 PM thanks BitcoinFX for the quick run down....it just seems something easy to prove if true so I guess we will just have to see what he produces by the Sept deadline.
Sorry 'I don't have the private keys and I deleted all of the evidence' isn't going to cut it. :P At least he provides some possible amusement ??? ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 12, 2020, 09:32:41 PM thanks BitcoinFX for the quick run down....it just seems something easy to prove if true so I guess we will just have to see what he produces by the Sept deadline. Sorry 'I don't have the private keys and I deleted all of the evidence' isn't going to cut it. :P At least he provides some possible amusement ??? ;) It would be easy for the real Satoshi Nakamoto to prove identity using Bitcoin and/or PGP with signed messages and other evidence. For future reference, here's my public key. It's the same one that's been there since the bitcoin.org site first went up in 2008. Grab it now in case you need it later. http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc For some unknown reason the key is not currently hosted on bitcoin.org , however the original key is hosted on this forum here: - https://bitcointalk.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc and - https://web.archive.org/web/20110228054007/http://www.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc Satoshi Nakamoto E-mail: satoshin@gmx.com (the same email address as the bitcoin whitepaper) Public Key Key ID: 18C09E865EC948A1 Algorithm: DSA Key Size: 1024 Created: 30/10/08 Fingerprint: DE 4E FC A3 E1 AB 9E 41 CE 96 CE CB 18 C0 9E 86 5E C9 48 A1 User ID Name: Satoshi Nakamoto E-mail: satoshin@gmx.com Created: 30/10/08 Public Subkey Key ID: CF1857E6D6AAA69F Algorithm: Elgamal Key Size: 2048 Created: 30/10/08 Capabilities: Encrypt ... The 4th September deadline is actually for the McCormack case. However, I'm certain we can expect more of the same from CSW and the BSV clown show ... "We saw it coming... Craig fooling around with coffee stains, adjusting email metadata on his laptop, Googling for Satoshi info, making silly date errors in backdated forgeries, maybe this is going to be interesting to watch anyway!" - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1293475742534324225 ... TBH none of this is even mildly amusing anymore. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 12, 2020, 11:23:31 PM can someone point me to the entire list of CSW addresses he is claiming to 'own'? I know it is in the PDF, but I am wondering if anyone has extracted them out as a text file somewhere so I don't have to re-invent the wheel.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: TheArchaeologist on August 13, 2020, 06:55:31 AM can someone point me to the entire list of CSW addresses he is claiming to 'own'? I know it is in the PDF, but I am wondering if anyone has extracted them out as a text file somewhere so I don't have to re-invent the wheel. The addresses in the court PDF-file I extracted can be found here: https://eli5.eu/analysis/csw_tulip.txt Straight forward text file, one address per line like this (first 10 lines from the file): Code: 12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 13, 2020, 10:27:27 AM Here's a funny one ...
Lets imagine someone submits a list of Bitcoin addresses in a court of law, claiming ownership of said addresses, but the addresses don't actually belong to that someone. Then, hypothetically speaking of course, the real owner of one of those addresses, god forbid, was to do something highly criminal / illegal with one of those addresses. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! The defendant might then find themselves to be in even more of a pickle than they were already. How unfortunate. Now, hows that for a Dread Pirate Roberts defense !? Again, hypothetically speaking of course. ... "It’s one of the many paradoxes of BSV. Law abiding yet run by two criminals. Set in stone yet a single man can change it at a whim. Adheres to the “Satoshi’s Vision” but focused on use cases discouraged by the real Satoshi." - https://twitter.com/cyberat2600/status/1292153523501662209 ... *Satire* Niko B - Who's That What's That *NSFW* *Explicit Lyrics* - https://youtu.be/mGjg_MMMhRU No Satoshi Private Keys = No Satoshi Identity = Gherkins in your Burger! :D ... In other news (hodlonaut case) ... "Judge ruled that CSW pays my cost of $60,000 within two weeks from the June 8th judgment. More than two months later, he has not paid a cent. Color me surprised." - https://twitter.com/hodlonaut/status/1293833469907349505 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gentlemand on August 13, 2020, 03:00:51 PM Good old Craigy.
So far there has not been a single thing he has done that wasn't 100% predictable. We know he's going to lie. We know he will never admit fault. We know he will never tap into that country-sized 'wealth'. We know he will never come up with anything creative, constructive or useful. We know he will lose every single legal entanglement he enters. It's an unimpeachable procession of fail. If he wants to become more than a comedy mannequin and object of irritation he needs to shake it up and do something surprising. Even the biggest dunces pull it off every now and then. Ain't got high hopes for this one though. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 13, 2020, 07:01:53 PM can someone point me to the entire list of CSW addresses he is claiming to 'own'? I know it is in the PDF, but I am wondering if anyone has extracted them out as a text file somewhere so I don't have to re-invent the wheel. The addresses in the court PDF-file I extracted can be found here: https://eli5.eu/analysis/csw_tulip.txt Straight forward text file, one address per line like this (first 10 lines from the file): Code: 12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX Quote According to a Reddit post published on Friday, there are three lists called the CW list, the DK list, the Shadder’s list, and the recently submitted CSW filed list which was produced on May 21, 2020. What happened to three strikes and you are out? ;D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 13, 2020, 07:30:27 PM ...snip... perfect! thanks TheArchaeologist. I see the idiot submitted 4 lists attempting to get 'his' list correct. Quote According to a Reddit post published on Friday, there are three lists called the CW list, the DK list, the Shadder’s list, and the recently submitted CSW filed list which was produced on May 21, 2020. What happened to three strikes and you are out? ;D CSW filed list ... Kleiman v. Wright (9:18-cv-80176), District Court, S.D. Florida - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/?page=4 512 - May 21, 2020 - Attachment 7 - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/512/7/kleiman-v-wright/ EXHIBIT 7 - https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf ... Craig Wright didn't mine these bitcoins, instead he made a list of public addresses, pointed at them and said 'mine'. - SWIM :D ... Possession is nine-tenths of the law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law ... *Satire* Pulp Fiction | 'Big Kahuna Burger' (HD) - Samuel L. Jackson, John Travolta | MIRAMAX *NSFW* *18+* - https://youtu.be/Mnb_3ibUp38 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 18, 2020, 08:39:40 PM Good old Craigy. So far there has not been a single thing he has done that wasn't 100% predictable. We know he's going to lie. We know he will never admit fault. We know he will never tap into that country-sized 'wealth'. We know he will never come up with anything creative, constructive or useful. We know he will lose every single legal entanglement he enters. It's an unimpeachable procession of fail. If he wants to become more than a comedy mannequin and object of irritation he needs to shake it up and do something surprising. Even the biggest dunces pull it off every now and then. Ain't got high hopes for this one though. Wat are we going to do with all these wats ... - SWIM "And finally, the key ID 0415E6CBE23FCC2D refers to: "Dave Kleiman (Bitcoin so we neer have to wotty about infaltion and easing) <dave@davekleiman.com>" (was Craig having a scotch or something) Source: http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x0415E6CBE23FCC2D 8/9 " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1295754838614122496 ... https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/919/925/c6e.jpg - https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/919925-wat https://coingeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/coingeek-london-after-party-marks-bitcoins-jump-ahead-in-time-1.jpg - hxxps://coingeek.com/coingeek-london-after-party-marks-bitcoins-jump-ahead-in-time/ (Craig Wright is NOT satoshi and BSV is NOT Bitcoin.) https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/588/696/7cd.jpg - https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/588696-wat :D "Craig Wright - Quote of the Day "Look, Wright has been throwing around word salad and misdirection for years. [...] If someone has been caught lying 999 times, you're not obligated to keep an open mind for number one thousand." - @wizsecurity Source: https://blog.wizsec.jp/2019/07/kleiman-v-craig-wright-part-3.html " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1295985910056734720 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on August 23, 2020, 12:11:37 PM Isn't this related case going to not help CSW?
If "Not your keys; not your coins" is enshrined in US case law, then this shouldn't be true: IF you have the keys, the coins ARE yours right? Yes, this is just US case law, but a good step in the right direction reflecting what we all believe to be true. https://decrypt.co/39574/not-your-keys-not-your-coins-enshrined-in-us-case-law-says-lawyer Quote "Not your keys; not your coins" enshrined in US case law, says lawyer Crypto lawyer Justin Wales sees Archer v. Coinbase ruling in favor of the digital asset custodian as more proof of “not your keys, not your coins.” In brief
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hv_ on August 23, 2020, 06:09:41 PM Isn't this related case going to not help CSW? If "Not your keys; not your coins" is enshrined in US case law, then this shouldn't be true: IF you have the keys, the coins ARE yours right? Yes, this is just US case law, but a good step in the right direction reflecting what we all believe to be true. https://decrypt.co/39574/not-your-keys-not-your-coins-enshrined-in-us-case-law-says-lawyer Quote "Not your keys; not your coins" enshrined in US case law, says lawyer Crypto lawyer Justin Wales sees Archer v. Coinbase ruling in favor of the digital asset custodian as more proof of “not your keys, not your coins.” In brief
Mixing up custody duties imo Wild wild west still Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 24, 2020, 10:25:01 AM "Not your keys; not your coins"
"Not your PGP key; no proof of Satoshi ID" "Not your keys; not your house" "Not your timechain; not your DeLorean" Even if you hired one, staked a claim and/or borrowed it temporarily ... Again, possession is nine-tenths of the law ... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_is_nine-tenths_of_the_law See: "The Tichborne Claimant" ... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case ... "the man who lost himself still walks in history, with no other name than that which the common voice of his day accorded him: the Claimant" ... “It was all Mrs. Bumble. She would do it," urged Mr. Bumble; first looking round, to ascertain that his partner had left the room. That is no excuse," returned Mr. Brownlow. "You were present on the occasion of the destruction of these trinkets, and, indeed, are the more guilty of the two, in the eye of the law; for the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction." If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, "the law is a ass — a idiot. If that's the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience — by experience.” ― Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/22816-it-was-all-mrs-bumble-she-would-do-it-urged ... Welcome to law! [citation needed] ... In other news ... Researcher Re-mines Satoshi's Bitcoin Blocks To Discover His Secrets - https://cointelegraph.com/news/researcher-re-mined-satoshi-s-bitcoin-blocks-to-discover-his-secrets ... "This would also put another nail into Craig Wright's claims of being a Bitcoin creator as he has indicated numerous times that he used dozens of computers to mine the early blocks." ... Re: Whois Satoshi? Known Satoshi IP addresses? ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191.msg51498056#msg51498056 ::) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 25, 2020, 11:06:27 PM Good effort. I also checked one bitcoin address, message, and Signature given in OP and that's valid . We all know from the day very beginning that he is faketoshi but this is now a confirmation that he is really a faketoshi. (Remove "" from message for verification purposes) Interesting tool you found there. However as a software developer myself I must disappoint you and warn you this graphical user interface is flawed. It does not show on which blockchain this verification takes place. Examining the bitcoin address with bitcoin explorer it shows a strange result: 1. The BCH blockchain does contain 50 value on this address. 2. The BTC blockchain does not contain 50 value on this address and shows no transactions have taken place. As far as I can remember BCH was copied from BTC. According to google search result BCH was created in 2017. So here is a mysterious question for you: How is it possible that BCH shows this verification (or at least this tool) is true/there (in 2009 ?!?!) While BTC does not ?! Was this transaction somehow added to the BCH blockchain ? This could mean the BCH blockchain is compromised and fake. Or was it deleted from BTC. I am no expert in all of this, but this is fishy for sure ?! Here you can check this bitcoin address for yourself: BCH: https://explorer.bitcoin.com/bch/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi VERSUS BTC: https://explorer.bitcoin.com/btc/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi ^^^ WHAT IS VERY FISHY ABOUT THIS ONE IS, WHEN YOU OPEN IT, IT WILL SHOW A POP-UP REDIRECTING YOU TO THE BCH version. So you must be very quick and click CANCEL within 4 SECONDS, otherwise you may be deceived in believing it is on BTC. How's that for fishy ?!? Explanations ??? Well perhaps I miss-understand some things about this news. I was under the impression that this message was from 2009, which could not really be possible because craight wreight seems to appear later in the scene. So perhaps this is a recent message and was "simply" signed by somebody having the private keys to those bitcoin address in the BCH blockchain... Perhaps these private keys are also valid on the BTC chain, however there is no real prove of that because there are no transactions or value on that chain, so how can we be sure this signature means anything ? Even if it did mean anything... any fool including craig himself can write shit like this.... so I kinda laugh at this... But my question is actually more disturbing then this signing... so I repeat my question: How is it that the BTC and BCH blockchains appear to be different in 2009 ?!?!? That makes no sense to me and seems fishy. They should be identical ?! Since BCH blockchain was copied from BTC perhaps in 2017, to transactions from 2009 to 2017 should be the same on both chains. I can remember even selling some BCH for PascalCoins back when bitcoin cash came to be... so that copieing was real as far as I can tell.... or perhaps it was another coin but I dont think so... I will check this later. IT COULD BE INTERESTING TO COMPARE THE BITCOIN BLOCKCHAIN VS THE BITCOIN CASH BLOCKCHAIN TO SEE WHERE THEY DIFFER. HAS ANYBODY EVER DONE THAT ?!?! :) Other explanations for this discrepancy could be this website does something weird or the bitcoin cash software does something weird... perhaps this web tool simply uses that software from bitcoin cash... and pipes it through to the web... One simply trick a hacker or scammer could use is to implement and keep track of a "shadow blockchain or database or part" inside bitcoin cash and consult if certain addresses contain money according to the shadow database. Perhaps this database is hidden somehow in BTC itself... I can remember it was possible to upload data long ago to the bitcoin blockchain itself... by inserting data into comments or something like that for blocks or transactions. Perhaps these possibly fake transactions are stored in BTC blockchain data/comments. This would be a very funny scam if it turns out to be true. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 25, 2020, 11:33:02 PM How's that for fishy ?!? You're using a scam site... of course it's fishy. Use a proper block explorer, e.g. https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 25, 2020, 11:37:43 PM How's that for fishy ?!? You're using a scam site... of course it's fishy. Use a proper block explorer, e.g. https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi This is even more fishy it scans 16 blockchains not very helpfull ! Here is another one a tool/website from long ago: https://www.blockchain.com/search?search=1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi It reports it finds this string on two blockchains BTC BCH From there on it gets fishy and it mentions conversion from new coinbase and god knows what else. According to this tool: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi it does have 50 BTC in it. However when I click BCH version: https://www.blockchain.com/bch/address/1MRHrSxnmtUTv48UpxorA9PX2nSEC9yndi Suddenly the address changes: qr0l4ygfhvcz2s67r403a07d4weksvh5cv5gqsgd8r It mentions something about: CashAddr (P2PKH) Apperently this address is now encoded differently for cash address. How convenient to create more confusion for finding strings. Very strange... I see little point in blockchains if information is so confusion and history of transactions becomes difficult to figure out. There is no mention of bitcoin.com being a scam site.... so this is also a bit fishy ! ;) Well funny enough the verification tool still shows the message is valid even for the bitcoin cash encoded address: qr0l4ygfhvcz2s67r403a07d4weksvh5cv5gqsgd8r So at least these older tools agree there are indeed 50 bitcoins in those addresses. Weird how bitcoin.com does not show this correctly, either indeed a scam site or some bug in that site ! ;) At least that will be my assumption for now :) Maybe later I check it with some bitcoin database on my on usb harddisk lol but that will have to wait till much later ! ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 25, 2020, 11:45:22 PM This is even more fishy it scans 16 blockchains not very helpfull ! Then find a block explorer that meats your obviously highly specific parameters. Or set up your own node and figure it out yourself. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 25, 2020, 11:52:37 PM This is even more fishy it scans 16 blockchains not very helpfull ! Then find a block explorer that meats your obviously highly specific parameters. Or set up your own node and figure it out yourself. I just did blockchain.com is what I was using long ago back in those days. It does show some 50 coins in there on both chains. OK. Now that I see it's genuine/true, the reality and importance and magnitude of this is slowly starting to sink in(to my brain lol). This could indeed by satoshi or somebody close to him. It's at least somebody with a lot of bitcoins ! LOL. But it's only 50 bitcoins. Worth 10.000 euro or so. Oh wait that is for 1 BTC so 50 BTC is currently 500.000 euros... and there are 100 of these addresses at least, so that is 50.000.000 euros of bitcoins signing this message, that is indeed a lot !... but ok what was the value of these bitcoins in 2009 ?! not much anybody could have bought it perhaps... What could be interesting is if these bitcoin addresses were mined in sequence and if they are all from 2009 and such... Do the other addresses also have 50 bitcoins each ? I think so this was mentioned so that is a lot more. So this is some *very rich bastard* signing this LOL. Then again maybe not close to satoshi, maybe earlier miner, maybe earlier buyer if it existed back in 2009 buying bitcoins. Could also be a recent bitcoin address purchase of these private keys... Though for now it's possible this is an "old timer" from 2009 ! ;) :) I think I know who it might be... but his identity isn't really that important or is it ? It's somebody that dumped his life's savings into bitcoin at that very time. This slogan is his... "we are all satoshi"... and the reference to the marvelous invention of the lightning network indicates he has a background in programming and likes this tech. So it's a pretty close fit, this person also has a youtube account. This person benefits from BTC and BCH both... (at least financially) so there is no real reason for this person to trash one or the other, so this is a bit weird. Perhaps it is somebody else... than I had in mind... maybe satoshi himself that has a cruch against bch for copieing and then modifieing/forking his work... I cannot imagine this cruch to be financially cause that dont make sense... the more coins copy this blockchain the richer this person gets... so this person might have reduced interest in getting rich lol or is just taking a piss at craig for fun... kinda weird... or is scared bitcoin might be ruined by giving it a bad name and his life savings investments might become worthless because of it... that might make some sense. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: nutildah on August 26, 2020, 01:12:58 AM It's somebody that dumped his life's savings into bitcoin at that very time. Not necessarily. Most of the addresses in that list are mining addresses. They mined a huge fortune and have yet to touch most of it (or at least some of it -- we don't know to what extent they were actually involved, only that they are the owner of all those addresses claimed by Craig to be his own). This person might not have spent a single cent to amass their fortune -- minus electricity costs which are negligible compared to what they are today. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 02:55:38 PM https://i.imgur.com/aXzykzM.jpg Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity. Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others. We are all Satoshi" Code: "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message. source: https://www.reddit.com/r/bsv/comments/gq8ao1/more_than_100_addresses_with_unmoved_bitcoin/ https://paste.debian.net/plain/1148565 Anyone can check and verify if this is true How was this discovered ? Perhaps on twitter and linked to debian paste site ? Why did somebody paste this to this debian paste site ? The original paste has been deleted, why ? Big news regarding Faketoshi and his ownership regarding Tulip Trust addresses. These are the address he provided in court right :D. For the next few years he had his hands full to concentrate in court dealing and then will spend time behind bars for trying to produce fake documents and wasting the time of the court.Someone signed this message from 100 addresses with BTC mined in 2009: The year 2020 is proving to be a good year for CSW ;D, first the doctorate in Plagiarism :D and yet again faking documents in court. EDiT: Was able to verify all the address posted and all the wallets i checked had 50BTC. 145 wallets listed with a total of 7250BTC :o. ~ He never thought that the claim would end up in court and shout out to Kleiman estate for dragging it to the court and hence the lies are exposed for everyone to see :D.People like him just think they can lie and say whatever they want without any consequences whatsoever. We may see him in jail soon or he will escape to some foreign country. 7250 BTC and 7250 BCH is worth according to today's prices on currentmarketcap.com: BTC 7250 x €9.699,36 = € 70.320.360 BCH 7250 x €234,21 = € 1.698.022,5 Total: € 72.018.382,5 Are there any other blockchains that copied the BTC blockchain like Bitcoin Cash did ? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 03:05:54 PM How was this discovered ? Perhaps on twitter and linked to debian paste site ? Why did somebody paste this to this debian paste site ? The original paste has been deleted, why ? You're barking up the wrong tree. It makes no difference how or where it was posted. The signatures can be verified so CSW is a liar. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 05:16:25 PM So I have read the main complaint against Craig Wreight from this lawsuit/gov website. Keep in mind I am dutch but ok used some translation a few times for some difficult words.
So far what I can make up/understand from this document is that Craig reached out to Dad of Dave Kleiman. Dave is supposedly also co-inventor of bitcoin and there would be a third person. Dad is too old and tech-dumb to understand all of it lol. So Dave's brother IRA steps and believes Craig story. Now IRA believes Craig and believes Dave had lots of Bitcoins. One does not transfer bitcoins just like that. Dave and Craig run a mining company called W&K according to this document probably from Craigh. So basically all information seems to be coming from Craig. Where is any real information or evidence from IRA itself ? From strange. There is no linking to attachments however I will examine the attachments later. Anyway Dave got crippled because of motor cycle accident. Then got infected by MRSA.. maybe he got into a fight and got injured. He was found dead in blood and shit tracks from wheelchair... bullit hole in bed. It's possible Craig went over there with a gun. Forced Dave to hand over the private keys to coins and then shot him dead. However this is only if you believe Craig's story he told to IRA. So far I have seen 0% evidence for any of this in this main document. There was a reference to an otto font which is kinda interesting for mimicing handwritten signatures. My first impression of this document is it's a HOAX between Ira and Craig and goverment to try and smoke out the real owners of these bitcoins ! ;) So beware ! ;) :) However it could also be that Ira himself is a scammer and is now accusing another potential scammer Craig that he owes this dead Dave some coins, which is kinda funny. So some possibilities: 1. Ira is a scammer 2. Craigh is a scammer 3. Dave is a scammer. 4. Ira is not a scammer 5. Craigh is not a scammer 6. Dave is not a scammer. 7. They all have nothing to do with it. 8. Some might have something to do with it. 9. All have something to do with it. Only way to tell is to look at any hard evidence which there should be plenty of if messages can be verified. 10. However here lies the problem in this court case. According to IRA craig is only one in possession of private keys, so only Craig can sign any messages. Here today we are with very hard proof that messages were signed. Now the question is who signed these messages ? 11. Was it craig himself who signed this message ? To make the court believe he truely is scammer ? And he possed no bitcoins what so ever... In that case he owes IRA nothing. So it is very well possibly that Craig himself signed this message if you believe IRA's and Craigh's own/e-mail story. Therefore the source of this information/signed message is very important. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 05:18:05 PM How was this discovered ? Perhaps on twitter and linked to debian paste site ? Why did somebody paste this to this debian paste site ? The original paste has been deleted, why ? You're barking up the wrong tree. It makes no difference how or where it was posted. The signatures can be verified so CSW is a liar. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I just read the main complaint. There are no links in that document to anything else. How is this complaint linked to any bitcoin addressess ? I am not only interested in Craig and this lawsuit... but also why somebody would sign this and where this information came from. So I keep an open mind =D Ok now that I scroll down I see a huge number of documents/pdfs with excibits/possible evidence... interesting to go take a looksy. So I am trying to download as many pdf's s possinle from courtlistener website. Not sure what this website is ? Seems maybe commercial website follows courts ? Not sure. Then at the bottom I discover this was only page 1 and there are now 4 pages with even more documents. Probably 100's of PDF's. I will try and download as many as possible but some are behind a paywall. Does anybody have a link to a torrent containing all documents ? Or are the pdf's the most important ones ? I am mostly interested in "evidence" documents, not so much court legal/motions babble and such though could be somewhat usefull as well. So from the looks of it, document 1 was just the "intro" into this story. And now it's dragged out in court... where slowly, day by day and week by week and month by month and year by year evidence is presented :) Lots of documents to go through =D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on August 26, 2020, 05:28:27 PM How was this discovered ? Perhaps on twitter and linked to debian paste site ? Why did somebody paste this to this debian paste site ? The original paste has been deleted, why ? You're barking up the wrong tree. It makes no difference how or where it was posted. The signatures can be verified so CSW is a liar. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I just read the main complaint. There are no links in that document to anything else. How is this complaint linked to any bitcoin addressess ? I am not only interested in Craig and this lawsuit... but also why somebody would sign this and where this information came from. So I keep an open mind =D Even though you, Skybuck, are trying to present yourself as if you were having some kind of a purported "open mind," you come off either as a bit of a delusional fuck or someone who wants to put out misinformation to rant about a lot of stuff that has already been beaten to death in a variety of public threads. Instead of looking at what has already been concluded, you come at your purported analysis as if you have fresh eyes when in fact you are just failing and refusing to really look at the evidence and logic for what it is, a fucking BIG ass scam that is largely originated by fucktwats craig, calvin et al. So, yeah there is nothing wrong with attempting to go over a variety of evidence and logic to come to fresh perspectives, but you really need to do a lot more research and stop coming off as if you are purposefully failing and refusing to appreciate some of the most salient evidentiary points that have already been presented in a variety of interwebs places. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 05:32:20 PM How is this complaint linked to any bitcoin addressess ? CSW lawyers claimed that those addresses are his: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/512/7/kleiman-v-wright/ I am not only interested in Craig and this lawsuit... but also why somebody would sign this and where this information came from. Good luck with that. You should probably start a new thread as it's obvious that person is not CSW so that's quite irrelevant here. Edit: lawyers. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 05:50:17 PM How was this discovered ? Perhaps on twitter and linked to debian paste site ? Why did somebody paste this to this debian paste site ? The original paste has been deleted, why ? You're barking up the wrong tree. It makes no difference how or where it was posted. The signatures can be verified so CSW is a liar. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I just read the main complaint. There are no links in that document to anything else. How is this complaint linked to any bitcoin addressess ? I am not only interested in Craig and this lawsuit... but also why somebody would sign this and where this information came from. So I keep an open mind =D Even though you, Skybuck, are trying to present yourself as if you were having some kind of a purported "open mind," you come off either as a bit of a delusional fuck or someone who wants to put out misinformation to rant about a lot of stuff that has already been beaten to death in a variety of public threads. Instead of looking at what has already been concluded, you come at your purported analysis as if you have fresh eyes when in fact you are just failing and refusing to really look at the evidence and logic for what it is, a fucking BIG ass scam that is largely originated by fucktwats craig, calvin et al. So, yeah there is nothing wrong with attempting to go over a variety of evidence and logic to come to fresh perspectives, but you really need to do a lot more research and stop coming off as if you are purposefully failing and refusing to appreciate some of the most salient evidentiary points that have already been presented in a variety of interwebs places. When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. I was impressed by his technical babble during a presentation though. Some things I had never heard of... I thought to myself if this guy is a scammer then he is the world's best scammer haha ! This is not a run of the mill run of the street scammer. One would have to study many many technical stuff to be this kind of scammer. That calls it into doubt/question. It's pretty clear to me at least this guy probably worked at or for some Companies not sure. I have barely scretch the surface of this... Only read main document once again. Read it some time ago. Now that there is hard evidence of somebody singing a message against Craig with a estimated value of 72+ million euro's it's getting my attention and interest. So far it was some court case in USA with some possible scammer, but now well that has changed a little bit =D It's easy for somebody to call "SCAM !" and "SCAMMER !" but actually going over the evidence and making up one own mind is a lot of work. It's also easy to follow others and believe other's conclusions.... I am the kind of guy that wants to make his own conclusions based on evidence. Presenting evidence as easily and cleanly as possible would help a lot. Fortunately I am now behind a fast laptop... and this court listener website is helping a bit by providing links to possible further evidence. Can I trust court listener I dont know... so far it seems somewhat legit. Is there any better/legal source of information? So far this seems somewhat sufficient. Here is a question though: Why are some documents behind a paywell ? BUY ON PACER it says. Is this court listener way of making money ? Also there is one other funny thing. Let's suppose bitcoin rises in value during and after this corona crisis or whatever... and it becomes even more valuable and let's suppose some of this is real. Then this could become the most "valuable" lawsuit in the history of humanity ! LOL. I think this may warrent a closer look by basically anybody that can understand this matter =D and have as any visions and oppinions/perspectives as possible on this matter. Also to help and assist judges and juries perhaps... Information Technology is not an easy thing anyway. Bye for now, Skybuck. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 06:23:43 PM When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. This thread literally proves that CSW is a liar. What else do you need? Can I trust court listener I dont know... so far it seems somewhat legit. Is there any better/legal source of information? So far this seems somewhat sufficient. Here is a question though: Why are some documents behind a paywell ? BUY ON PACER it says. Is this court listener way of making money ? PACER is the official government site that provides access to federal court documents but it charges a fee per page beyond a certain free tier ($15 IIRC). Court Listener hosts free copies of those same documents. It might be not up to date but the documents are legit. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 06:51:58 PM When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. This thread literally proves that CSW is a liar. What else do you need? Can I trust court listener I dont know... so far it seems somewhat legit. Is there any better/legal source of information? So far this seems somewhat sufficient. Here is a question though: Why are some documents behind a paywell ? BUY ON PACER it says. Is this court listener way of making money ? PACER is the official government site that provides access to federal court documents but it charges a fee per page beyond a certain free tier ($15 IIRC). Court Listener hosts free copies of those same documents. It might be not up to date but the documents are legit. OK THX for the info. I just spent my time clicking and downloading 830 PDFs (from court listene) ! up to Aug 4, 2020. Now I can immediately tell I might have a little problem viewing these PDF's... this is a very large quantity... It literally is hurting my finger and arm a little bit just downloading these one by one. It would have been funny if somebody said "oh click this link to download them all at once". Kinda surprising there is no such link which kinda attests to my earlier statement IT is a bit hard haha. I could go over the PDFs one by one. But I am sure I am not the first one to try this, at least I hope/think so. Is there any tool for windows that can give me a "preview" of all these PDF documents... like some super quick PDF document viewer that allows me to over them really quickly, without having to double click 800 times ?! First I try windows explorer preview plane. (I will also store this website page information 4 of em and the rest of the tabs for atterneys and personel or something) Just trying to store as much as information for later in case internet goes down cause of crisis,war,pandemic... Some parts of USA burning cause of riots... never know what s gonna happen next. Justice buildings under attack from riots. Bitcoin is now world wide phenemenon... so good to store this information on some NON-USA computers in case SHITZ hitz the FAN in USA lol UZA uzi-USA lol. OK !!! Windows EXPLORER works better than expected ! It does exactly what I want with the preview plane feature ! It even allows me to scroll though each PDF document quite easy ! This is Windows 7 Home edition on Laptop from 2012. Not sure if this is a baked-in feature of windows explorer or because it's an acrobat feature installed into windows explorer, probably the latter. Well jippee and hoorah for that. So far it seems I dont need any extra/special software to try and make some sense out of this lawsuit. Order some pizza lol... and then may some exploration into these documents =D and then some more world of warshipping maybe... Bye for now, Skybuck =D ALSO THANKS FOR THE LINKS to this court listener website ! ;) Also somebody provided a link to these bitcoin address which craigh claims are his... THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. I also need a link to a document where he ACTUALLY CLAIMS these are his or whatever... He/His lawyer probably filled them as attachment X or something. But I also need more where it is claimed to be his... not just a listing... anybody can put up a listing of addresses. I need written text or something that says: "I, Craig, or I lawyer of Craig claim that these addresses are his and he has private keys to them". Anyway since there are so many it is possible that some mistakes or confusion where made.... however... a typo or something might still be believe... but a whole bunch of addresses gets a bit suspicious. Maybe they were sold off to finance some company operation and he forgot about that... it's possible... he human after all... Another hypothesis could be Dave shot himself to relief him out of his missert from MRSA which can indeed be a very nasty disease... though kinda hard to believe somebody would shoot himself... also it might have been an attempt of his to try and shoot at the virus/bactery to try and shoot it off... maybe in a drunk mood or so. So again bye for now, Skybuck =D One more thing... fortunately these documents are simply labeled 1 to 600 or so... so THX to USA justice department for keeping things simple too ! =D make it much easier for me to try and follow these document fillings ! ;) =D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 06:57:13 PM When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. This thread literally proves that CSW is a liar. What else do you need? Can I trust court listener I dont know... so far it seems somewhat legit. Is there any better/legal source of information? So far this seems somewhat sufficient. Here is a question though: Why are some documents behind a paywell ? BUY ON PACER it says. Is this court listener way of making money ? PACER is the official government site that provides access to federal court documents but it charges a fee per page beyond a certain free tier ($15 IIRC). Court Listener hosts free copies of those same documents. It might be not up to date but the documents are legit. Why would the goverment charge for documents ? People already pay taxes and such ?! And what is ment with free tier ? I am guessing "I" as a netcitizen am considered "free tier". What benefit does USA government get from charging for these documents ?!? I can understand that if rest of world starts downloading/hammering these documents the costs of running those websites and servers and bandwidth costs would go up. But there is such a thing as bittorrent. So USA goverment only host to host ONE copy of the file on some bit torrent server and then rest can be shafted off to the internet/bittorrent/peers that want to host it. So I dont really see a legit reason for asking money for documents which probably should be public in the name of legal proceedings, democrazy and justice ! ;) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 26, 2020, 07:01:19 PM Here will be my log for now so far maybe I should do this elsewhere or others have done so but ok:
This document so far is first interesting document I come across from quick scanning over it: gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.1.20.pdf https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.1.20.pdf It seems to be proof of the claimed e-mail from Craig to Ira. It shows this HotwirePE icon from this website that is now down. Supposedly a company from Craig or something... Kinda funny to see. "Hot wiring the world" it says. My pizza has arrived... gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.12.2.pdf I think here IRA claims what Craig told him/claimed etc. Could be little bit interesting. (I dislike how IRA's e-mail address is blackened in multiple documents, for this ammount of money he can get a new e-mail address if he wins haha. This makes it harder to check facts to see if that was truely a working e-mail address). gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.24.24.pdf refers to otto font. Could be interesting to know why Craig used this. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.24.26.pdf Seems to contain a handwritten signature of Craig and also others. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.303.2.pdf HEAVILY BLACKED OUT this is weird. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.346.2.pdf MORE BLACKENING... So far seen IRA black stuff his mail address, perhaps a sign that this guy has stuff to HIDE. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.347.1.pdf MORE BLACKENING. Seems to be submitted by IRA. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.347.2.pdf MORE BLACKENING. part of same batch from IRA. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.488.8.pdf MORE BLACKENING strange, can't tell who filed this main document mentions something about IRA formatting Dave's harddisk. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.488.12.pdf MASSIVE BLACKENING again IRA/DAVE it seems... From the ammount of blackening it can be seen that IRA/DAVE is dishonest and not providing real information. Could also be blackened by GOV. Dont trust it. gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.510.19.pdf medical examination of DAVE's corpse I presume. So far this seems to be a "battle" or "war" of documents. VERY LITTLE HARD/PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ?! Where are pictures of Dave ?!? Dead in bed ? Blood tracks ? Where are pictures of his computer ? Where are pictures of source codes found on his computer ?! Where are pictures of companies or mining computers ? This could be real evidence... so far... it's a bit meh... It's a bit of "he said..." "she said..." WELL I SCANNED OVER MOSTLY THE LARGEST DOCUMENTS MY FINAL VERDICT IS: THOSE THAT POSSES THE PRIVATE KEYS OF BITCOIN ADDRESSES ARE THE RIGHTFULL OWNERS OF THOSE BITCOINS. NO MATTER HOW THOSE PRIVATE KEYS WERE ACQUIRED. EVEN IF IT WERE BY VIOLENCE, GUN THREAT, EXTORTION, THEFT OR WHATEVER. IT CANNOT BE PROVEN ANYWAY. SO BITCOIN USERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THEIR KEYS PRIVATE EVEN WHEN UNDER PRESSURE. CASE CLOSED =D Maybe in far future I might take time to read all of this document mess but for now, neh :P :) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 07:17:33 PM Also somebody provided a link to these bitcoin address which craigh claims are his... THIS IS NOT ENOUGH. I also need a link to a document where he ACTUALLY CLAIMS these are his or whatever... He/His lawyer probably filled them as attachment X or something. But I also need more where it is claimed to be his... not just a listing... anybody can put up a listing of addresses. I need written text or something that says: "I, Craig, or I lawyer of Craig claim that these addresses are his and he has private keys to them". His lawyer - ordered by the court - provided that list to the plaintiff as the addresses belonging to the Tulip Trust. This is a court document, "anybody" can't just put it up. Why would the goverment charge for documents ? It doesn't charge for documents - those are free, thus can be made available via Court Listener. It charges for online access, which again has a free alternative by Court Listener (a non-profit). Here will be my log for now so far maybe I should do this elsewhere Yes, you should do it elsewhere. You're breaking forum rules by posting your diary here and derailing this thread. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on August 26, 2020, 07:21:16 PM This guy just won’t go away & stay out of the news, will he. What’s it going to take for him to be consigned to the trash can? I don’t know why he keeps staying relevant, hopefully this is the end of him. He'll probably make a dumb excuse like "I included these addresses in the Tulip Trust by accident, please remove them". Don't underestimate his stupidity. He might be accidentally included all that addresses just to show how stupid he is in front of all the world. He think peoples are so dumb not to realize the game he played will knock his own nose and make he look the one that are truly stupid.. We are all satoshis just CSW are not.. please dump that guy to jail already.. ;D ;D ;D Soulripper you do realize that one of the trade secrets of a scammer is to purposefully make really stupid mistakes in order to weed out nearly everyone except for the most gullible of folks. Anyhow, people who tend to fall for scams, including bagholding BSV-tards are either part of the scamming or they are pretty dumb fucks, if they really believe even half of the BSV or CSW-related nonsense. [edited out] When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. I was impressed by his technical babble during a presentation though. Some things I had never heard of... I thought to myself if this guy is a scammer then he is the world's best scammer haha ! This is not a run of the mill run of the street scammer. One would have to study many many technical stuff to be this kind of scammer. That calls it into doubt/question. Of course, diptwat craig is run of the mill. The only thing that might differentiate him, somewhat, is that he is attempting to be very public in regards to his baloney proclamations that might cause some gullible people (perhaps including yourself) to presume that he might be telling the truth since he is so public about it. If you cannot recognize those dynamics, then either you are part of the scammers or maybe you are falling for the scam, ur lil selfie. It's pretty clear to me at least this guy probably worked at or for some Companies not sure. I have barely scretch the surface of this... Only read main document once again. Read it some time ago. Have you ever considered that perhaps it could be a good idea to get your ideas a bit more clear and in order before you go out spouting admittedly incomplete and poorly thought through nonsense? Now that there is hard evidence of somebody singing a message against Craig with a estimated value of 72+ million euro's it's getting my attention and interest. So far it was some court case in USA with some possible scammer, but now well that has changed a little bit =D It's easy for somebody to call "SCAM !" and "SCAMMER !" but actually going over the evidence and making up one own mind is a lot of work. It's also easy to follow others and believe other's conclusions.... I am the kind of guy that wants to make his own conclusions based on evidence. Presenting evidence as easily and cleanly as possible would help a lot. Fortunately I am now behind a fast laptop... and this court listener website is helping a bit by providing links to possible further evidence. Can I trust court listener I dont know... so far it seems somewhat legit. Is there any better/legal source of information? So far this seems somewhat sufficient. More evidence that you are way too preliminary in your looking into this matter, to the extent that you are even being honest in regards to the contents of your posts. Here is a question though: Why are some documents behind a paywell ? BUY ON PACER it says. Is this court listener way of making money ? Who cares? There is a lot of information that is already out there, so why don't you work on the already available information before you get boggled down with more information that you do not even seem to understand the context? Also there is one other funny thing. Let's suppose bitcoin rises in value during and after this corona crisis or whatever... and it becomes even more valuable and let's suppose some of this is real. Then this could become the most "valuable" lawsuit in the history of humanity ! LOL. I think this may warrent a closer look by basically anybody that can understand this matter =D and have as any visions and oppinions/perspectives as possible on this matter. Also to help and assist judges and juries perhaps... Information Technology is not an easy thing anyway. Bye for now, Skybuck. Bitcoin is quite likely to go up in value in the coming years, lawsuit or not.. just like Lazlo's purchase of pizzas went up in value.. Does not really matter very much in the whole scheme of things, even though such pizza purchase remains a part of bitcoin's history and some point that people bring up from time to time and assign some kind of significance to it that it may or may not deserve. When I traded virtual goods in Star Trek Online I was many times called a SCAMMER and I laughed it it very hard. So I can imagine what Craig must feel like if he truely is Satoshi... But he could also be a real scammer. I don't know. This thread literally proves that CSW is a liar. What else do you need? Skybuck does not believe in actual reading. He prefers to make up his own bullshit. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on August 26, 2020, 07:25:33 PM @Skybuck You mentioned you are Dutch ...
Arthur van Pelt @MyLegacyKit a #Faketoshi researcher, mainly on twitter, has done 2 recent Dutch Language podcasts on Craig Wright. Herewith, - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1280947961825017856 Which should bring you up to speed with the case more quickly along with this website ... - https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html :) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gentlemand on August 26, 2020, 07:42:27 PM I would support sub forums for people to talk to themselves, with maybe some AI to make them think they're actively being talked to. That would save the rest of us the priceless seconds in our one wild and precious life that we will never get back being exposed to their dribbling.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Skybuck on August 28, 2020, 09:39:15 PM @Skybuck You mentioned you are Dutch ... Arthur van Pelt @MyLegacyKit a #Faketoshi researcher, mainly on twitter, has done 2 recent Dutch Language podcasts on Craig Wright. Herewith, - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1280947961825017856 Which should bring you up to speed with the case more quickly along with this website ... - https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/fraud-timeline.html :) The story of Craig starts much sooner than this time line. Long time ago he and Julian Assange were communicating on some message board. Julian was sort of pissed at people and goverments and Craig hated paying taxes. Julian then went on to say to Craig: "Who the fuck are you"... Sounds a bit like "Satoshi" who the fuck is he. Maybe this short conversion between them caused Satoshi to be subconciously created inside Craig's hide. Google Julian Assange and Craig Wright and you might find this conversation ! ;) This statement of Craig long time ago does give him some credibility that he is so frustrated with taxes he created an entire system to try and work around it. Also his fight with the australian tax office also fits into this psychological profile. Perhaps he tried to out smart the Tax Office and they got pissed at him, etc. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on September 02, 2020, 11:27:54 AM A simple response to the above ...
Craig Wright is NOT satoshi. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250960.msg54982034#msg54982034 Julian Assange is NOT satoshi. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5165538.msg52837853#msg52837853 Fraud is fraud. Here is satoshi ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5165538.msg54950273#msg54950273 Again, ... "Not your keys; not your coins" "Not your PGP key; no proof of Satoshi ID" "Not your keys; not your house" "Not your timechain; not your DeLorean" ... In other related 'news', the BSV 'plot thickens' ... :D "... "Allowing coins that were previously secured by private keys to be transacted without private keys is a massive violation of Satoshi's definition of a coin as a chain of digital signatures, and hence a massive protocol violation." - @Zectro1 BSV = BitCoin Satoshi Violation" https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1300506041298219009 - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1300510172524273665 ... "Good read. To add, Craig can't even prove he is hiding his Satoshi-ness behind all the #Faketoshi nonsense he unleashed in & out court. So there's zero chance any judge is going to appoint Satoshi coins (and which? the exact Satoshi stash is unknown) on any chain to Craig." https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1300676710963109889 - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1300700527949418497 ... "If you don't believe me that Calvin's predictions for the outcome of this case are legally absurd, here's an actual lawyers insightful take on the matter: https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1300536102374301697 4/" - https://twitter.com/Zectro1/status/1300678188297678848 ... "Legal commentary: rofl." - https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1300536102374301697 ... Enter the Ninja (Die Antwoord) 8bit version by Cinematronic - https://youtu.be/kaHPEU3G0Po :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: DougM on September 22, 2020, 11:22:27 PM Edit: I missed this news was already posted in a new thread here:
Craig Wright To Face Trial (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277361.0) Leaving post here as a cross link. Next page of the lier's saga...not a surprise at least :o Craig Wright's Summary Judgment Denied - Billion Dollar Bitcoin Lawsuit Heads to Trial https://news.bitcoin.com/craig-wrights-summary-judgment-denied-billion-dollar-bitcoin-lawsuit-heads-to-trial/ Quote On Monday afternoon, Judge Beth Bloom, from the District Court of Florida, denied Craig Wright’s summary judgment and the infamous billion-dollar bitcoin lawsuit will go to trial in January. The court published a 93-page decision on the matter, as Judge Bloom detailed that “a genuine dispute of material fact exists” for a number of the complaints. ...Quote Longtime bitcoiner, Daniel Krawisz, said on Twitter that the court decision will be meaningful for the entire crypto market. “Whatever happens to Craig Wright in court will matter for everybody in the whole crypto market,” Krawisz tweeted. “You can’t escape him just by staying away from BSV,” he added. A few people did not believe Krawisz’s statements as a number of crypto advocates think Craig Wright is completely irrelevant in regard to the digital currency ecosystem in general. “I won’t be affected, at all,” one person responded to Krawisz, and another person replied “exactly zero.” Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on September 23, 2020, 10:38:24 AM Edit: I missed this news was already posted in a new thread here: Craig Wright To Face Trial (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277361.0) Leaving post here as a cross link. Next page of the lier's saga...not a surprise at least :o Craig Wright's Summary Judgment Denied - Billion Dollar Bitcoin Lawsuit Heads to Trial hXXps://news.bitcoin.com/craig-wrights-summary-judgment-denied-billion-dollar-bitcoin-lawsuit-heads-to-trial/ Quote On Monday afternoon, Judge Beth Bloom, from the District Court of Florida, denied Craig Wright’s summary judgment and the infamous billion-dollar bitcoin lawsuit will go to trial in January. The court published a 93-page decision on the matter, as Judge Bloom detailed that “a genuine dispute of material fact exists” for a number of the complaints. ...Quote Longtime bitcoiner, Daniel Krawisz, said on Twitter that the court decision will be meaningful for the entire crypto market. “Whatever happens to Craig Wright in court will matter for everybody in the whole crypto market,” Krawisz tweeted. “You can’t escape him just by staying away from BSV,” he added. A few people did not believe Krawisz’s statements as a number of crypto advocates think Craig Wright is completely irrelevant in regard to the digital currency ecosystem in general. “I won’t be affected, at all,” one person responded to Krawisz, and another person replied “exactly zero.” Friendly advisory: Avoid linking to bitcoin .com BCH is NOT original Bitcoin. Bitcoin is BTC at https://bitcoin.org ... Always has been: - https://web.archive.org/web/20090303195936/http://bitcoin.org/ ... ...snip... "Legal commentary: rofl." - https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1300536102374301697 ...snip... Legal commentary: ROTFLSHMSFOAIDMT ... "Must read. The latest hot news in Kleiman v Wright, and, unsurprisingly, it's not looking good for our #Faketoshi." - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1308092734184587264 THREAD ... "... It's a 93 page decision! I'm going to tweetify the tasty bits, so strap in. " Source: - https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1308073416025673728 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eic0DadWsAAdldw?format=png&name=small ... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eic0ACyX0AAvX7U?format=png&name=900x900 Source: - https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1308073416025673728 ... "This was a major loss by Wright in a detailed and well-supported opinion." - https://twitter.com/stephendpalley/status/1308097228611956737 :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on November 17, 2020, 08:50:17 PM Quote "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message,” “We are all Satoshi.” Craig Wright has succeeded in preventing 'prejudicial' messages from being read out in court, that he is a liar and a fraud, but he still is. Court accepted his request that and Andreas Antonopoulos will not read out this messages. https://decrypt.co/48494/prejudicial-bitcoin-messages-wont-be-heard-in-craig-wright-lawsuit Andreas earlier confirmed that he will be testifying at trial in 2021, even after CW attempted to restrict his influence on trial: Quote The federal court in Kleiman vs Wright has affirmed my status as an expert witness in the the case, rejecting the "Daubert" motions by the defense that tried to exclude me and other experts. https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1328484084369084417I will be testifying at trial (sch. for April 2021), as an expert witness. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Hueristic on November 18, 2020, 12:28:45 AM Quote "Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message,” “We are all Satoshi.” Craig Wright has succeeded in preventing 'prejudicial' messages from being read out in court, that he is a liar and a fraud, but he still is. Court accepted his request that and Andreas Antonopoulos will not read out this messages. https://decrypt.co/48494/prejudicial-bitcoin-messages-wont-be-heard-in-craig-wright-lawsuit Andreas earlier confirmed that he will be testifying at trial in 2021, even after CW attempted to restrict his influence on trial: Quote The federal court in Kleiman vs Wright has affirmed my status as an expert witness in the the case, rejecting the "Daubert" motions by the defense that tried to exclude me and other experts. https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1328484084369084417I will be testifying at trial (sch. for April 2021), as an expert witness. Andreas can honestly attest under oath that CSW does not have the mental capacity to be satoshi. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on November 18, 2020, 03:02:51 AM Does it matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is or was, or where he is...?
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4HohoaD4wx1LHQXK/giphy-downsized.gif Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on November 18, 2020, 05:55:02 AM Does it matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is or was, or where he is...? https://media.giphy.com/media/l4HohoaD4wx1LHQXK/giphy-downsized.gif The court case is toying around with the idea, so within the context of the court case, there is some importance to those kinds of questions and claims. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: hilariousetc on November 18, 2020, 10:39:49 AM So I have read the main complaint against Craig Wreight from this lawsuit/gov website. Keep in mind I am dutch but ok used some translation a few times for some difficult words. So far what I can make up/understand from this document is that Craig reached out to Dad of Dave Kleiman. Dave is supposedly also co-inventor of bitcoin and there would be a third person. Dad is too old and tech-dumb to understand all of it lol. So Dave's brother IRA steps and believes Craig story. Now IRA believes Craig and believes Dave had lots of Bitcoins. One does not transfer bitcoins just like that. Dave and Craig run a mining company called W&K according to this document probably from Craigh. So basically all information seems to be coming from Craig. I wouldn't waste too much time trying to analyse Craig's Bullshit. He probably got himself into trouble by making up some utter bullshit including a dead man thinking that because they were dead they could never verify anything and he could use that to his advantage, but he didn't think that his family members would try to get their hands on this likely imaginary fortune. 10. However here lies the problem in this court case. According to IRA craig is only one in possession of private keys, so only Craig can sign any messages. Craig doesn't have access to anything. He just lies to cover up lies to cove up more lies. If he wanted people to know he was satoshi he could do so very easily. He can't provide proof because he isn't satoshi so he just has to rely on fraud and misdirection to try convince whoever he can in the process. Does it matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is or was, or where he is...? https://media.giphy.com/media/l4HohoaD4wx1LHQXK/giphy-downsized.gif It matters when someone is fraudulently trying to claim he is, especially when he's doing this for his own personal gain and trying to sully the name of the real bitcoin in the process. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on November 18, 2020, 12:13:11 PM So I have read the main complaint against Craig Wreight from this lawsuit/gov website. Keep in mind I am dutch but ok used some translation a few times for some difficult words. So far what I can make up/understand from this document is that Craig reached out to Dad of Dave Kleiman. Dave is supposedly also co-inventor of bitcoin and there would be a third person. Dad is too old and tech-dumb to understand all of it lol. So Dave's brother IRA steps and believes Craig story. Now IRA believes Craig and believes Dave had lots of Bitcoins. One does not transfer bitcoins just like that. Dave and Craig run a mining company called W&K according to this document probably from Craigh. So basically all information seems to be coming from Craig. I wouldn't waste too much time trying to analyse Craig's Bullshit. He probably got himself into trouble by making up some utter bullshit including a dead man thinking that because they were dead they could never verify anything and he could use that to his advantage, but he didn't think that his family members would try to get their hands on this likely imaginary fortune. 10. However here lies the problem in this court case. According to IRA craig is only one in possession of private keys, so only Craig can sign any messages. Craig doesn't have access to anything. He just lies to cover up lies to cove up more lies. If he wanted people to know he was satoshi he could do so very easily. He can't provide proof because he isn't satoshi so he just has to rely on fraud and misdirection to try convince whoever he can in the process. Does it matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is or was, or where he is...? https://media.giphy.com/media/l4HohoaD4wx1LHQXK/giphy-downsized.gif It matters when someone is fraudulently trying to claim he is, especially when he's doing this for his own personal gain and trying to sully the name of the real bitcoin in the process. Bitcoin BTC is the real Titanic. Lol Enjoy the pump to $50k+. It should be as epic as the devastating crash. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on November 18, 2020, 04:40:40 PM Bitcoin BTC is the real Titanic. Lol Enjoy the pump to $50k+. It should be as epic as the devastating crash. Is it going to stop at $50k+, whatever that means? $50k is nearly 3x from here, and you do not stop at $50k because you put a little plus in there... Sounds like such a bad investment. And, sure a 80% pump or something like that is possible, but if we have BIGGER institutional investors coming into bitcoin, there may be less stomache for 80% dumps and more willingness to support some of those bottoms, so maybe we get 50% to 66% short-term, but they are not necessarily long term bottoms. I surely do not claim to know the future, but buying support is increasing, and your ongoing doom and gloom proclamations, Vlad2Vlad seem to be less and less borne out by actual facts, and even you have trouble painting even a very good doom and gloom scenario when you are largely suggesting up to $50k plus from here.... We need better trolls. You're fired!!!! :D :D :D :D :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Vlad2Vlad on November 18, 2020, 05:32:43 PM Bitcoin BTC is the real Titanic. Lol Enjoy the pump to $50k+. It should be as epic as the devastating crash. Is it going to stop at $50k+, whatever that means? $50k is nearly 3x from here, and you do not stop at $50k because you put a little plus in there... Sounds like such a bad investment. And, sure a 80% pump or something like that is possible, but if we have BIGGER institutional investors coming into bitcoin, there may be less stomache for 80% dumps and more willingness to support some of those bottoms, so maybe we get 50% to 66% short-term, but they are not necessarily long term bottoms. I surely do not claim to know the future, but buying support is increasing, and your ongoing doom and gloom proclamations, Vlad2Vlad seem to be less and less borne out by actual facts, and even you have trouble painting even a very good doom and gloom scenario when you are largely suggesting up to $50k plus from here.... We need better trolls. You're fired!!!! :D :D :D :D :D $50K+ means minimum $50k and I’ve been saying this since last years crash. It’s possible it hits $80-$100k. Only insiders know. And it has nothing to do with buying support it has to do with the fact that bitcoin btc will die or be nothing more than a niche coin. And I’ve been saying this and predicted this chaos for 7 years, I just expected it to happen in 1-2 years. Bitcoin btc has failed to adapt, there will be a black swan event to kill it and its network will be attacked and many will lose all their btc. Then the real Bitcoin will Rise From obscurity. And you’ll kick yourself in da nuts for being a follower. Now give me some merits for this genius advice, I need MOAR!!! Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on November 18, 2020, 06:31:17 PM Bitcoin BTC is the real Titanic. Lol Enjoy the pump to $50k+. It should be as epic as the devastating crash. Is it going to stop at $50k+, whatever that means? $50k is nearly 3x from here, and you do not stop at $50k because you put a little plus in there... Sounds like such a bad investment. And, sure a 80% pump or something like that is possible, but if we have BIGGER institutional investors coming into bitcoin, there may be less stomache for 80% dumps and more willingness to support some of those bottoms, so maybe we get 50% to 66% short-term, but they are not necessarily long term bottoms. I surely do not claim to know the future, but buying support is increasing, and your ongoing doom and gloom proclamations, Vlad2Vlad seem to be less and less borne out by actual facts, and even you have trouble painting even a very good doom and gloom scenario when you are largely suggesting up to $50k plus from here.... We need better trolls. You're fired!!!! :D :D :D :D :D $50K+ means minimum $50k and I’ve been saying this since last years crash. It’s possible it hits $80-$100k. Only insiders know. Huh? You are making even less sense. You believe that there is some kind of "insider" who actually knows where the BTC price is going with some kind of precision? That's nonsense. Of course, there are a variety of BTC price direction theories and there are a variety of BIG players who can attempt to push the BTC price, and some folks have better ideas than others.. but anyone who tries to paint pictures of certainty.. including your seeming nonsense about a price crash has to happen or we are going to $50k for sure, blah blah blah.. is just riddled with too much certainty in the language that you use to try to spread your riddle of messages. And it has nothing to do with buying support it has to do with the fact that bitcoin btc will die or be nothing more than a niche coin. That makes no sense, either... not based on actual facts, except you are trying to pump some kind of false narrative that there is some kind of better coin out there that is going to take over for bitcoin because bitcoin is flawed in some kind of meaningful way.. yeah right? Nonsense. And I’ve been saying this and predicted this chaos for 7 years, I just expected it to happen in 1-2 years. Good. If you keep saying the same thing, then maybe at some point you will be right... How has the last 7 years been going for you? Have you been adequately preparing for UP in terms of your own personal investments? I have been in BTC for about 7 years, too, and it has ended up being my best investment of a lifetime.. quite a great thing to invest into, as long as preparing for UP, overall... and taking reasonable stances such as DCA-ing into it, which has largely been my strategy. So you could have been some bumbfuck poor lil bastard 7 years ago who just invested regularly into BTC and done quite well for yourself, and would have been a reasonable approach. What was your approach Vlad2Vlad? Were you reasonable, or did you do dumb things? Or are you saying that you always bet correctly? You bought at the bottom and sold at the top, etc etc blah blah blah? What would have been a reasonable approach to BTC 7 years ago? in the interrim passing of time? and now? Has the investment thesis for bitcoin gotten weaker over those 7 years? stronger? or stayed the same? If you are trying to treat bitcoin's investment thesis as if it is the same god damned thing as it was 7 years ago, then you are no better than a broken record, and you are going to need to up your game and up your nonsense talking points. There have been a lot of improvement in the information that is available out there for regular peeps to learn about bitcoin, but there are still nonsense and misleading bullshit like your spoutings out there, too. I have been noticing some of your posts in recent times, and they seem to be more about you attempting to proclaim that you have some kind of insider knowledge rather than you really trying to grapple with facts, logic and/or helping anyone (such as normies) to actually attempt to understand the space better, including bitcoin... and sure, maybe you don't have any such intention to help anyone to understand bitcoin, which actually seems to be what is driving your ongoing nonsensical posts. Bitcoin btc has failed to adapt, How? You mean as a payment mechanism? merchant adoption? or you talking about something else? Do you even know what bitcoin is and what it might be adapting to? If I hold BTC and you want to buy some BTC from me, provide a service or sell me something, can we transact? Maybe if you want to sell me something that only costs less than $100 or some small amount, then it might NOT be very practical to use BTC, even though we could, if we wanted to... but anyhow, I still wonder in which ways bitcoin has been failing in the past 7 years or more? For me, it seems to be doing way better than I had expected in terms of a lot of measurements of the threat vectors to its success, and sure there are governments and traditional finances that would like to squash or cause bitcoin to be less powerful.. and so some of those battles are still among us.. but at the same time, the ongoing buying pressures from BIGGER and BIGGER players does seem to be given credence to the buy pressure and buy support thesis rather than your vague (and seeming contrary to facts) doom and gloom thesis. there will be a black swan event to kill it and its network will be attacked and many will lose all their btc. Sure... right. ::) ::) It is easy as fuck to be predicting some kind of unspecified doom and gloom swan event.. and keep hoping that maybe, just maybe you will be correct.. Keep predicting that nonsense, Vlad2Vlad, and see where it is going to get you in terms of really being prepared for the future. For anyone who might be afraid that some kind of black swan event might come to bitcoin, it is much better for them to figure out some kind of reasonable allocation in bitcoin, such as 1% to 10% of their investment portfolio, and then to figure out a way to either let it ride or to reallocate from time to time if they believe that there might be some prudence or benefit in reallocation.. instead of failing to invest or underinvesting in BTC based on some kind of vague and unspecified nonsense ideas that you are spouting out. Then the real Bitcoin will Rise From obscurity. The real bitcoin is already rising, you dumb twat. And you’ll kick yourself in da nuts for being a follower. you mean bcash SV? or some other stupid ass corruption fork? Now give me some merits for this genius advice, I need MOAR!!! Begging is not becoming, and anyhow, you hardly even provided any kind of ideas that make any sense in the actual world, beyond that you have some kind of trolling/shilling agenda... Furthermore, your ideas, to the extent that you might have any seem to just cause work for me or other people like me to have to clarify the various misleading shit (contrary to facts, contrary to logic.. and not even good opinions) that seems to be coming out of your keyboard on a regular basis. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: kickback on November 18, 2020, 07:38:15 PM Then the real Bitcoin will Rise From obscurity. If you tell me the name of this real bitcorn I will send you moar merit :D Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on November 18, 2020, 11:01:46 PM A tweet storm from the twittersphere ...
"Thread about the next Omnibus Order in Kleiman v Wright. What is allowed to mention at trial next year, and what isn't?" - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1329184549562150913 "#Faketoshi #CSW #BSV Case Update https://courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.623.0.pdf OMNIBUS ORDER Defendant’s Motion in Limine, [490] Plaintiffs’ Omnibus Motion in Limine, [497] The Court has considered ... is otherwise fully advised. 1/11" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180598888443909 "A. Def Motion i. Prior judicial statements Def requests the Court “exclude at trial any mention of any prior judicial statements about his credibility. Motion is granted as to the prior judicial statements above. Only these portions excluded. 2/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180605712650243 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnInv3fXMAACG8K?format=png&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnInxFXWEAs9ee8?format=png&name=900x900 "ii. Australian Tax Office’s audits Def requests the Court to exclude evidence relating to the ATO audits of non-party Australian companies Motion is denied. The parties may address the specific evidence and objections to ATO evidence, as appropriate, when arise at trial. 3/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180607826579456 "B. Plaintiffs’ Motion i. Motion in limine issue #1 Plaintiffs request the Court exclude testimony about Ira relationship with his brother. Motions is granted. Evidence about Ira's relationship with Mr. Kleiman is excluded except as to the Thanksgiving Day conversations. 4/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180609239986176 "ii. Issue 2 Plaintiffs next seek to preclude Defendant from "contradicting judicially admitted documents." Plaintiffs’ Motion as to issue #2 is denied. 5/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180611085561862 "iii. Issue 3 Plaintiffs request the Court preclude Defendant from "selectively claiming his computers were hacked or his documents were forged.” "system exists to expose weak defenses, shaky theories, and less-than-credible assertions" Motion as to Issue 3 denied. 6/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180613178429440 "iv. Issue 4 Def produced ~2000 docs after his depo and expert cutoff. Seek Order precluding Def using docs at trial or have (CSW) sit for another deposition so they may explore the new info, update their expert disclosures if necessary. Motion as to issue 4 denied. 7/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180614680080384 "v. Issue 5 Plaintiffs next seek to preclude Defendant from putting forth any evidence or testimony that Mr. Kleiman committed suicide. Plaintiffs’ Motion on this point is granted. 8/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180617460813828 "vi. Issue 6 Plaintiffs request an order precluding Defendant from presenting evidence or testimony regarding Mr. Kleiman’s drug use and social habits. Plaintiff’s Motion as to issue #6 is granted in part and denied in part. 9/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180618895273984 "vii. Issue 7 Plaintiffs seek to exclude testimony or references to alleged abuse and traumatic events Defendant suffered during his childhood. Plaintiffs’ Motion as to issue #7 is granted. 10/n" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180620296253442 "And that pretty much sums it all up. Pages 4-8 are the best! Can't wait to see this play out in court at trail! Can't wait to see Craig #Faketoshi Wright get dominated by @VelvelFreedman and team! Hopefully due to COVID it's live streamed! 11/11" - https://twitter.com/mark_rex_h/status/1329180621613260801 EDIT: additional ... ...snip... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnHP4q9UYAECt41?format=jpg&name=240x240 - https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1329073237599211520 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on November 21, 2020, 05:37:31 AM TLDR?
I believe that the community has now become tired, and bored of Craig Wright. It was fun during the escalation, with the outlandish claims, and the stupid mishaps. Like reading a comic book. Plus his top acolyte has raised the white flag. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnRWSRhVcAI9Ha7?format=jpg&name=small Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on November 21, 2020, 06:19:41 AM TLDR? I believe that the community has now become tired, and bored of Craig Wright. It was fun during the escalation, with the outlandish claims, and the stupid mishaps. Like reading a comic book. Plus his top acolyte has raised the white flag. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnRWSRhVcAI9Ha7?format=jpg&name=small Just hang in there Kevin.. There will be another pump... Don't give up. :'( :'( :'( Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Wind_FURY on November 23, 2020, 05:56:55 AM Shower thought. Did Kevin Pham actually believe Craig Wright was THE Satoshi, or did he join along, and play the part of the apostle to trick newbies into buying his Bcash-SV in exchange for what they truly want, the Bitcoin.
Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on December 03, 2020, 12:05:39 AM Mic drop ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoRS9X_WEAk1HbV?format=png&name=medium Source: https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1334282948254822406 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: gmaxwell on December 04, 2020, 02:19:21 AM A fraudtoshi employed zombie managed to get himself on TV talking about "bitcoin":
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6213910847001/?playlist_id=933116618001#sp=show-clips Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: Hueristic on December 04, 2020, 04:32:51 AM A fraudtoshi employed zombie managed to get himself on TV talking about "bitcoin": https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6213910847001/?playlist_id=933116618001#sp=show-clips https://musingsfromthemancave.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Faux-News-High-Res-New-Banner_zpsp5eejo4l.jpg Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: JayJuanGee on December 04, 2020, 07:13:15 PM A fraudtoshi employed zombie managed to get himself on TV talking about "bitcoin": https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6213910847001/?playlist_id=933116618001#sp=show-clips That was a wee bit awkward, and good thing that it was less than 2.5 minutes to watch/listen to it. Difficult to know whether the conversation was purposefully cut short by Fox because usually those kinds of interviews tend to be short and to the point, anyway. Nguyen did not really say anything that was technically inaccurate - but whatever he was saying seemed to be fighting with logic, in terms of what gives bitcoin value.. and maybe including attempting to give some kind of meaningful context to current BTC price dynamics. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on December 08, 2020, 01:59:37 PM A fraudtoshi employed zombie managed to get himself on TV talking about "bitcoin": https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6213910847001/?playlist_id=933116618001#sp=show-clips That was a wee bit awkward, and good thing that it was less than 2.5 minutes to watch/listen to it. Difficult to know whether the conversation was purposefully cut short by Fox because usually those kinds of interviews tend to be short and to the point, anyway. Nguyen did not really say anything that was technically inaccurate - but whatever he was saying seemed to be fighting with logic, in terms of what gives bitcoin value.. and maybe including attempting to give some kind of meaningful context to current BTC price dynamics. Indeed. Jimmy Nguyen of the fake Bitcoin (BSV) association doing a fine job of confirming that the original Bitcoin is BTC. ... "Jimmy Nguyen on Fox Business today. While the real Bitcoin was discussed & shown, he didn't get a chance to shill his affinity scam token, the host cut him right off!" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoVue1kW4AE4pnb?format=jpg&name=900x900 - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1334594347485048840 ... "I'm somewhat of a bullsh*ter myself, but occasionally I enjoy listening to an expert [citation needed], please do continue ..." - SWIM :D ... Best of luck with SPENDL before HODL ... No comment. *Gulp* https://i.ibb.co/RHszHp7/Bitcoin-FX.jpg - https://ibb.co/bdCzdg7 Early exchange service ... - https://web.archive.org/web/20100429153403/http://www.bitcoinfx.cz.cc/ Verifying my (old) zero balance wallet address for blockchain research etc., - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4630066.0 ... ...snip... One definition of money and currency includes; - Medium of Exchange - A Unit of Account - Portable - Durable - Divisible - Fungible (Interchangeable) Money has one main additional property than currency; - Store of Value ...snip... Bitcoin being BTC is the original cryptocurrency: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System. BSV and BCH are counterfeit derivatives of BTC. It's in the BSV license Jimmy ... - hxxps://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/blob/master/LICENSE "... The Bitcoin SV blockchains are defined, for purposes of this license, as the Bitcoin blockchain containing block height #556767 with the hash "000000000000000001d956714215d96ffc00e0afda4cd0a96c96f8d802b1662b" ..." ::) Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: milani on December 08, 2020, 02:40:27 PM Craig was a fraud from day one. I'm surprised that anyone really believed his words. In my opinion sometimes people need something or someone to believe in order to fill in their thoughts with something, especially when they are not engaged. It is something like just for fun. Humans like to get bread and circuses. Personally for me it does not played a great role who that man was, is or turned out to be. Of course it is funny to read such kind of statements - I am real Satoshi and here are my proofs, and more funny when the truth is opened. But there are so many stories like that and even in case one of them appeared to be a real Satoshi, it would not have a great impact on the very very nature of the Bitcoin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: aoluain on December 29, 2020, 07:39:03 PM Craig was a fraud from day one. I'm surprised that anyone really believed his words. In my opinion sometimes people need something or someone to believe in order to fill in their thoughts with something, especially when they are not engaged. It is something like just for fun. Humans like to get bread and circuses. Personally for me it does not played a great role who that man was, is or turned out to be. Of course it is funny to read such kind of statements - I am real Satoshi and here are my proofs, and more funny when the truth is opened. But there are so many stories like that and even in case one of them appeared to be a real Satoshi, it would not have a great impact on the very very nature of the Bitcoin. correct, we dont need to know who Satoshi is/was. Eventhough nobody knew Satoshi on a personal level or ever met him knowingly we all know Satoshi would never act in the way CSW acted or acts, thats the bottom line. Satoshi has/had class and intelligence and designed something for the common good, not just for their own benefit. In my opinion sometimes people need something or someone to believe in order to fill in their thoughts with something, especially when they are not engaged. It is something like just for fun. Humans like to get bread and circuses. Personally for me it does not played a great role who that man was, is or turned out to be. Of course it is funny to read such kind of statements - I am real Satoshi and here are my proofs, and more funny when the truth is opened. But there are so many stories like that and even in case one of them appeared to be a real Satoshi, it would not have a great impact on the very very nature of the Bitcoin. Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: BitcoinFX on January 26, 2021, 11:03:34 PM Tweets from the twittersphere:
"#Faketoshi Fun Fact Did you know that Craig's Tulip Trust list that he handed Kleiman's counsel a year ago*, now contains 145 signings "Craig Wright is a liar and a fraud", but also has no less than 8 moved miner subsidies? * https://courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.512.7.pdf The dates that happened: " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1354068679290458113 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsqaBQmW4AE8LKV?format=png&name=medium Source: https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1354068679290458113 ... "Notable (1): - Craig claimed that these addresses + private keys were locked in the Tulip Trust - Coins started moving AFTER Steve Shadders created the "Shadders List" in June 2019 " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1354068680951418884 ... "Notable (2): - When Craig handed this list (suspected to be a subset of Shadders List, as it includes the infamous "Shadders Bug") to Kleiman's counsel in January 2020, he forgot to check if all miner subsidies were still present. Already 3 had moved! End. " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1354068682176163840 Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: cryptodevil on January 27, 2021, 10:34:10 AM "Notable (1): - Craig claimed that these addresses + private keys were locked in the Tulip Trust - Coins started moving AFTER Steve Shadders created the "Shadders List" in June 2019 " - https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1354068680951418884 *Every single 'gotcha' piece of evidence which proves Craig to be a liar and a fraud* CSW: "I was hacked" Title: Re: Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud - Tulip Trust addresses signed message Post by: dkbit98 on September 10, 2021, 09:27:53 AM We all know that Craig Wright aka Faketoshi admitted he ''lost'' access for Satoshi's coins, but now he is claiming that access for Tulip Trust coins is also lost, what a strange coincidence.
Wright claims that hackers entered his house and stole Tulip Trust private keys from his personal computer, so it looks like that Tulip Trust is equal Craig Wright and I see no other reason for keys to be on his personal computer. They imagine some sci-fi scenario in whitch miners will be forced by court to reassign control of Satoshi's coins to Wright. https://i.imgur.com/zoTAcrq.jpg It's really hilarious reading his posts on his version on twitter, he claims that Bitcoin can do global transaction for every system, facebook, google, twitter, cash, and he is offering 100 million dollars if someone discredit his claims... Craig even posted a photo last month claiming this is the shed where Bitcoin first started... next to the tractor in his village I guess :D https://i.imgur.com/OYa1Snp.jpg https://twitter.com/DrWrightQuotes/status/1425427000748093440 |
