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I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

You have a point, not bad at all if bounty managers can start knowing project team very well before accepting their offer but don't expect that all bounty managers can do this, it's not really to manage a bounty campaign trust me

I've had live video chat with projects that turned out to be a scam in the end. What's your point?
The thing is, many projects start legit, and once they see that it's not going well, they take what's left and run away, basically scamming even their own team members...

It's your duty to avoid scam projects by doing research, don't expect bounty managers to do all the work for you, moreover do you think that KYC means project are reliable? Just because someone do KYC doesn't mean they can't scam you, it's crypto space, my did KYC or even appear on video but run away with ICO money and they aren't apprehended till date.

I came back bounty hunting only the reason of Bountydetective and some similar community . These managers were doing fairly good job . But KingCasino is really upset for me also . Glad i dint participate in that Airdrop also . As you said managers will do some more research in future to keep back the trust in community.

Lol, in a world where people can easily still someone else identity to do KYC, you really think that with KYC people can't scam others? I don't think so, On the internet criminals can walk free even if they show their faces to the world

all against the will of all of us. bounty detective, I think I did my best. I like some of his campaigns. but in the case of king casino, we can't blame anyone.

So because kingcasino turn scam now you want to blame bounty detective? This is one of the most active bounty managers so far in 2020, they deserve some respect, HEX bounty wasn't like this right? Even when many called the project a scam or shitcoin, those who still went ahead and project the project sold Hex for big price

bounty hunters you are responsible for your own safety, any bounty manager can make mistakes, you promoters should be the one looking out for yourselves, you can easily avoid scam projects like kingcasino, why?

1. The pictures of the team on the website looks like a whack job, stolen pictures definitely

2. The claim they raised millions of dollars through latoken and p2pb2b exchange only, how is that possible when this two exchanges are worse for new IEO projects

Lol many Bounty manager are only concerns about their payment and not the participants?

Some campaign  owner mostly offers payments ahead for the managers to justify their scamming.

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I don't think that there will be a clearing in Bounties now,it is getting badder and badder now,soon ICO and IEO will die and Bounties will no longer exist,this is sad reality unless people will still consider cooperating in scammers.

something bad is happening right now. but I think that IEO or ICO and bounty will disappear this time it won't happen. the best solution is not to eliminate, but a clear regulation must be made. the application can be on the bounty manager, also on new projects.

When you worked as a bounty manager, have you tried to ask the team to transfer bounty pool to you or some other trusted third party ?
This might work as a part of bounty hunters protection from doing promotion work for nothing.

I can divide bounty campaign scam project into 3 caterogies:

1) do not distribute bounty reward at all
2) distribute, but perform exit scam or make excuses for not listing, abandon project
3) distribute, got listed, but dumped projects tokens or coins and evaporate.

If a trusted intermediary holds bounty reward, this my save hunters from "1) do not distribute bounty reward at all".

How? As much as I hate to say this, bounty hunters are just simply that, hunting project to earn some penny and then move along.

I think they do, but they don't control everything, they are just a manager, if the project choose to exit scam then they can't do anything about it. Plus their reputation are ruined, how many bounty managers have we seen being tagged already? Many of them.

This is a never ending debate to be honest, bounty hunters blame the bounty managers, and then bounty manager blames the people behind the project, its cyclical. And you really don't know until it's too late, when the project suddenly disappears.

So for bounty hunters, there is always that risk, that you didn't know if the project will be successful or will it scam everyone. Or if the project didn't run, chances are, it will take years for the token to be listed on an exchanges, and projects are going to run many excuses.

@TopTort777 - I like your idea, but holding bounty payments will also scream scam for bounty hunters. Because once the project ended, they immediately wanted to get their rewards.

most of it is true as you said in number 1. after that is number 2 that we see the most. they do the distribution but not listed on the exchange. then the team disappears.

First of all, most of the bounty managers are so called money digger only. They work for money, nothing else is to be considered. Some shit managers even take payment with token. They don't care anything. On the other hand, as btcltcdigger said, you can never know who is legit and who is a scammer or sometimes a legit project may turn scam due to some inevitable reason. It's hunter who should knowingly join the campaign that the bounty may (actually WILL) not give any valuable rewards.
@Toptort
When you are promoting a scam project, where's the necessity of having bounty pool escrowed. I'm sure that no legit project would scam the hunters. If any projects denied to distribute bounty rewards, the project is a scam one no doubt.

It's one of the risks that bounty hunters signed for, take responsibility once it happens, any project can turn scam at any time, when that happens don't forget what you signed for, there are many reasons why a bounty project can fail, If you can't handle the risks don't bother joining bounties

You wished everyone would do that, but that's not the reality, there's a lot of bounty managers in the forum and we can categorized them from bad, good to better. As a bounty hunter, I think it's our job to be more careful in joining a certain bounty campaign, we don't need to require them to comply with anything as that would not happen, the market is decentralized so we have to deal with that as that could also be the nature of job here.

If you are looking for a better result on the campaign, just look for reputable campaign managers and only joined on the campaign they manage even if the reward is not that attractive.

Nowadays, project with good potential are not paying big bounty reward, you can also check on that.

I think this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228629.0) would help you.

The idea you gave is indeed very good for minimizing the scam rate on the bounty, but will the team want to show their KYC via forced video chat? because everyone who does forced work obviously won't be happy in completing it, they could have made a fake KYC then showed it through the video manager chat.

You cant add additional jobs on their shoulders and also its their own judgement to accept and decline projects. Now as a bounty hunter, its your job to find, differentiate, identify scam from legit. Why blame the manager for falling for a scam one? It sounds like its their fault for your mistakes ( I mean hunters). Just do a proper research and find a good one that pays correspondingly.

However do you think managers will do it for hunters sake? As a manager they know what to do already and no need to be reminded of.

So you're like blaming BMs here in the forum?
I don't think that BMs are the only ones that should do these.
Remember that their responsibility "manage" the bounties, and not eliminating scams, therefore reducing scam project is upon everyone's will and hardwork, so count yourself as well as someone who should be part of "limit the scams" as you can't stop them anyway.

It's like saying outside the crypto space that your local authorities should be  primarily responsible in finding people with bad intents instead of handling their city.

point number could be bounty managers mistake, they should negotiate about bounty reward before campaign started. maybe using trusted escrow, but only reputable manager that have power to negotiate about escrow. point 2 and 3 totally be developers team fault, they well planned  to exit scam smoothly.

There are two kinds of people. One is in the category where the managers screen the project before taking it up for managing.
As scams have increase a lot quite lately these managers are doing a hard job of researching the projects first before taking the job.
I have seen a few managers who don't take the job if they find it less appealing.

The second are those who don't care if the project is genuine or not and take up the job instantly just because it is paying the manager well.
We can't do anything about it but just stop promoting the projects which are being taken up by those managers.

About this, the number of such manager is actually far greater than the professional bounty managers. If you checkout the bounty section then there is one big noticeable thing, "most of the bounties are being ran by newbies and/or the project itself creates a new account", get copper membership to post images and run all by themselves. For bounty participants it has become pain in the back since they do hours of work and at the end project turns out to be scam Or improperly managed.

Over the time it may happen that the bounty solution would be needed and who knows these things might just disappear as people's trust will be reduced dramatically. One thing is clear, we now rarely get good projects, and thus managers are also finding it hard to play around.

This looks funny :), and it seems you are a little offended, okay minairia3, do you comment in the comments above to the manager? because if asked personally I also don't like this new thing, so what you have to warn is that the OP created the topic, not me who only answered a few reviews of the topic, sorry bro.

It's not really easy to know if the project could become a scam or not and the bounty manager could not easily know that at all times. Most of the time the bounty managers are also just victims of the scam project so we cannot really blame them if the bounty is don't legit. Sometimes the project is legitimate but it just doesn't really get enough support or funds to continue the project, could be the ICO project will stop if did not get enough investors needed to continue so most of the bounty hunters is not going to be paid for their work.

This answers your request OP and I think this should be valid since btcltcdigger is one the veteran bounty manager you can find in this community. I have joined some of his bounties last 2018 and some of them didn't turn well as expected. As you can see, they also doing their best to promote the best bounty out there but scammers always find a way to fool these guys, I think every bounty manager in this community has encountered this kind of problem and learned from those experiences.

When I read the title, the first thing that came to my mind is that of the OP trying to reminisce the good old days of profitable bounty hunting in 2016 and 2017 and he tells bounty managers to be more responsible in picking the right bounty so we bounty hunters will earn more. But rather I saw a rant about a bounty that failed and is demanding that bounty managers be more responsible in picking the bounty. Well, don't blame the managers. You will never know when a good thing will turn sour. You just have to move on and make sure to pick the best bounty by your well made research. If you got scammed again, it is still not your fault. Move on until you succeed.

So this is difficult to do because basically the team does not do video chat to the manager and what is often done by video chat is when holding an AMA event that is also done by a legitimate project so I think if a project that does not do that must have a way to scamer again at each of those promotions.
Every manager does not guarantee it all, but my manger believes they always filter out projects when they will be managed in promotion by them.

As a bounty participants we should not just fully rely on the campaign manager to find good projects for us, everyone bounty manager has different experience and some have different intention as well, they are willing to manage a project even knowing it's a scam as long as they are paid.

There's a list of reputable bounty campaign managers in the forum, just like Hhampuz and yahoo62278, they are the best for me so I would be willing to join in any project they'll promote. the problem is they have a good price, so for low budget project, they might look for a bounty manager that would accept a lower fee, so that might result to a success.

That's the responsibility that owned by the managers before they start to take it as their client. The manager must know what was the visions that owned by the team and how good the reputation that owned by the team too.
Im thinking if it's quite difficult and time-consuming but that must be done to prevent the scam projects.

It's not easy I guess that's your point, and yes it's not but it's an obligation of BM to also know the
team he's working with to make sure that it won't runaway.
If the manager will closely deal with the team behind the project and ask for the portion of the actual
budget for the bounty and let escrow to hold the fund
It will assure all the participants to receive their rewards, the talked between BM and the developing
teams are very important.
Trust always bring investors to support the project, if BM and developers established trust it will make
the participants to work well and advertise or even invest as well.

Bitcointalk forums have done the best for managers who manage Bounty campaigns, to avoid from fraud.

Escrow: A good solution for managers who want to develop new projects from companies that offer them.

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Chat, live video does not guarantee the company and the team, tell the truth, at the beginning and end of the video is a different story, if the project wants to cheat.

Escrow: the best solution for Bounty campaign managers and participants, Escrow guarantees all parties to determine payment after the campaign is promoted, so, Escrow is safer than video chat.

Several bounties campaigns started on this platform by managers has disappeared. the fact that most projects appear real. that does not denied the fact that anything is possible . project owners can decide to shut down at their own peril if they fill the need to stop. tagging bounty detective for one error does not justify they are rubbish. we all made mistakes. meanwhile we know others that has scammed people here. don't make it a Nigerian thing as if they are the only one with scam activities.

As a bounty hunter, I think we must also know how to determine if a project is a scam or not. It is not always the manager to blame. I think it is also us bounty hunters because we are not please to join the project and we did not try our best to determine if it is scam or not before joining. It is a must that we know how to determine because we continuously join bounties right after the one we participated is already finish.

Each manager must independently verify the campaign, before he agrees to take the responsibility of carrying out a bounty on the forum. This is very important, because if this ICO is found to be a fraud, the manager trust may be colored red. This is due to the fact that it actually promotes scam the forum.

You really have a good point. If they can build trust to one another, it's very possible that the project will come out successful and bounty hunters will surely receive their fair shares. I think it's not a guarantee that once you end up joining a campaign with a reputable bounty manager, the project will turn out legit. There are really things that come up uncontrolled even how reputable the bounty manager is.

I think by doing video chats with the team or meeting them face to face will not ensure success of the project but it can reduces the risk. The rewards of a campaign totally depends on the success of the project that whether the team behind the project achieved their target investment or the coins listed on exchanges? For now, there is a risk for bounty hunters because most of the projects turn out to be scam.

There are many other things managers should consider
- checking the plagiarism of whitepaper
- complete investigation of team behind the project
- web ui
- road map and what they have already achieved.
- weather they are willing to spend from theor pocket if project couldnt do well in ico.

Surely a manager will do a deeper research into a project and as you mentioned sometimes they always plagiarize white papers to run their projects and ICO sales will not be of much interest if there are still projects that are hard to do raising with ICO.

Seem like you are bounty hunter who just followed the bounty manager, I mean when you join or participate in a bounty program you just see who is the bounty manager, isn't you?

I think that's bad also, being a bounty hunter is not about you just promoting the project in your signature but you must know also what the purpose of your project that you promoting.

You will be blame as well when the project is cought to be scammer because there will be many investor who join the project just because they're see your signature or in your social media. I mean, when you give a suggestion for other people it means you have done what was advised to other people.

We have started working on a platform to ensure bounty hunters payment, so no project can scam them hopefully it shall be launched in the end of this year.

the idea is not so bad. however, sometimes very many people want to become a bounty manager, so when a bounty manager rejects this, the team will find a new manager or create their own account. Well, lots of things to do to avoid that. if you want to be better, I better support payments using USDT or coins that already have a market.

Your advice is good. But it is not as easy to say as it is to do. Bounty managers are greedy, they manage scam projects bounty for their own benefit. The main reason for this is that a lot of unprofessional managers are coming whose job is to take the job anyway. They don't care about Bounty hunters. As a result, the project teams get benefits here, they don't have to worry about verification. I would say that Bounty hunters should not join the campaign of managers other than professional managers.

You know the reason why managers don't mind taking projects and start a campaign is because they got less stuff to lose, just quite of their time coz they already have got initial payment upon starting the campaign, some even received the payment for managing a project in weekly basis. However, what the managers are putting into expense is their own reputation on the platform like here in bitcointalk, if you got more than scam projects handled then most probably participants won't likely to do much effort participating in your campaign since they got a high chance of being scammed. Pity for those who don't quit bounty hunting  :-\

That's right because i work in most of your campaigns and most of the projects start legit , but at the end they run away. As a BM you ( as well as other BMs ) try to do the best for bounty hunters so that all can get their rewards . But when the distribution is finished, most of the team members from each projects start making drama like market is not good or covid-19 has bad impacts on their projects and so on. In the end, project shut down and team run away with all the funds. As a result, we can't blame Bounty Managers all the time because they try to do the best for us. Basically, we need to be more aware about this type of projects which ico/ieo price is equal or more than $1.

The vast majority of bounty managers charge peanuts for their work, they don't actually have the time to do good work—at least not if they want to be adequately rewarded for it.

It would be better if there was a single group of trustworthy bounty managers that split the work between one another, but it seems that the only bounty managers left are the absolute scrubs that don't give a damn about bounty hunters and take whatever jobs they can, so long as they get paid.

It's up to the bounty hunters to do their own due diligence and only work with managers that are proven to be able to land high-quality clients and get results. Don't bother with newbies, they don't know what they're doing and you'll just end up wasting time.

that's not a bad idea, but the fact that video calls or face to face with the project developer also does not mean guarantee that the project will be successful. there are lots of projects that are legitimate, convincing, have quality products, and even most of the new projects can even end up being fraudulent.

One of the most important thing before joining a campaign is to ask yourself can you invest into this project, if you can't I do not think you should help promote it. Bounty manager also can help screen out this scams looking to scam people of their money but bounty hunters need to decide their own fate because it is your time and effort

It's akward how some BM just accept any project because they will be paid in a stable coin, they don't care if the community labour in vain or community promote scam to their fans, this made me stop social media campaign. Too many failed project bringing regret to and pains to investors.

Not only scams are the risks of joining bounties, there are also intances that we don’t get paid due to different circumstances and unexpected events.

As bounty hunters it is our due diligence to join in any bounties that we must understand. But I think the most effective way to make sure that the hunters get paid is funds should be escrowed like Bounty0x doing in their campaigns.

This is a completely wrong idea for KYC means that the project is correct and they will not scam in the future. Even Keep in mind that investing power has become extremely difficult at this time so a bad project will never find good investors. We will not accept all those projects who manage IEO through fake volume exchange. However, Kingcasino was one such project who wanted to complete IEO in the fake volume with free exchanger. So from there we have to understand that this is not a good project.

Lol, you want them to do KYC? You really think it is that easy to process a KYC form? The bounty managers will have to validate those documents. They will probably have to use third party sites to validate it and they are not free! As far as I know, they have to pay for each document they validate. The projects can submit fake documents and no one will know if its real or not until it has been validated! I don't think any bounty manager would want to go through all those troubles. Again, if the project goes scam, and someone decides to sue them, the bounty managers will have to provide a lot of information and cooperate with the law enforcement agencies.

As a bounty hunter it is our own responsibility to do some diligence whether the project is scam or not. Let's not put all the blame to the managers. Kyc? It is not easy to provide a kyc to a project, just like what others said there's some instances at first project is good but at the middle of their project it ended up scam. So, in my opinion let's do a proper research before joining a project this could help.

making video call in my opinion is already more than KYC,
KYC can use the edited identity but if the video call is not possible to edit the face, but it is not a guarantee that the project will be successful, the success of the project is seen from the interests of investors

What things will change when the team manager has to submit KYC or video call. Kingcasino refunded all money to investors. Kingcasino wasn't a scam project. Bounty detective should change the promising styles, we know bounty detective promised that Kingcasino tokens will be paid which is guaranteed by bounty detective. Without success in any projects, ERC-20 tokens are worth zero.

The OP has made a few topics in this regard. I dont know if they are hunting some bounties even today but I would advice them to stop doing it because they are essentially wasting their time.

Many such projects have made even the bounty managers suffer. They were also promised pay but they didnt get it and team ghosted them. I have even seen managers paying from their own pockets just so because they didnt want the hunters to feel bad.

But do the hunters realize this? Or are they too selfish to think twice?

Reading what @irfan_pak10 said, if they can make bounty payments ensured, I guess that would be like prepaid amount escrowed and kept safe till the end, that would be a good thing.

This is also an issue of a globalized market.
Whatever price you set, as low as possible to even break even after you do all the work, there's always gonna be an indian or a pakistani who'll do the same gruntwork for half the price.
That's just a reality of it.  And most new projects don't know the forum, don't know the ups and downs, and are guided by mostly price.

I've had a few cases where i struck a deal with project for X, only to be told by project team few days later that "some indian" guy will do the same for fraction of what i asked, and they will go with him.
That indian guy may or may not the job good, but if he doesn't, it'll leave a sour taste in the project team's mouth and they will scrap the bounty as a whole.

I don't think KYC will be a big help because many people can steal someone else's identity if it means to earn money. Scammers can and will do everything for them to look like a legit project. And one more thing, even if a project is a legit and real one as well as its team, as long as one of a team member have this "greediness" in him/her/them. He/she/they will run away with the money and leave his/her/their team behind, betrayed.

The thing is , how many of these bounty managers are ready to do this thing you have said? If there are none of them coming to an agreement in this, then it will be a situation whereby some of them are using this strategy to identify who the team are, while others wouldn’t use it and will just make use of chats. So, they have to come together and discuss this so that everyone will comply with the rules that will be set in place. This is not a time for anyone to be acting greedy and focusing on their own pocket, if not we will end up ruining everything that has taken years to build. Bounty managers needs to be doing this so that people will have trust in any project they are investing in.

I have already mentioned my own thoughts and my own suggestions on topics similar to this content and the topic.  Just as I said in those messages, campaign managers should agree with the project under certain conditions and accept users under certain conditions. In this way, they can affect fewer users from projects with poor results and have the chance to manage their own business more easily. With the various measures to be taken, they will both guarantee themselves and will not make victims of the users. Since I have made similar comments on such content before, I will not mention my recommendations one by one here again.

It is not that all projects refuse payment to hunters. Sometimes their ICO/IEO fails and they abandon the project. that render  their token useless and all work of bounty hunters ( and managers too when they get paid in tokens) goes in vain. Their is no remedy to this

What I know about kingcasino is that they didn't reach their target funds, I think the scam is not the right word and bounty detective secured the tokens for the bounty and they will still send the tokens to hunters who participated in the bounty (but the tokens are worthless)

It's a gamble that bounty hunters will also have to take as we never know what would be the outcome of the project we are supporting.
If we complain because we didn't get our expectation, maybe we also have to think of the investors as they are the ones who really invest money on a project.

You should not give out KYC to an project owner who is developing something new. It can and will lead to identity theft. You are free to do KYC with businesses that you use everyday like a local bank or a local stock exchange broker but definitely not a fund-raised project that is far from being operational.

Everyone is greedy, no doubt about it but the point is that people hide their greed to make it look legitimate till they leave. A good example is the Advisors who join a project, they are just interested in the money they will get with the project's promotion and they have a fixed lock in period after which they will dump the coins and leave.

There are so many reasons why these bounty campaigns have no good effect on the participants and are always a gamble.

Last month I saw them announce the completion of the first round of IEO for more than $ 10 million. But it was all a lie, in fact they didn't sell any tokens and no investors were interested in this project. They are a bullshit project and implement IEO in two scam exchanges

Dont tell them on what to do and knowing that not all bounty managers are really that reputable from time to time and some of them are just accepting any projects for the sake of adding it up into their
portfolio thats why we have seen several new managers.

even though there are good managers out there but doesnt mean that they wont able to get scam projects.There are still failures yet we know that showing off video on teams face
arent really enough to prove out projects legitimacy.

Its a good idea to minimize the risk of ending up in a scam projects if the manager can verify the legitimacy of the team and the project they are proposing. But its not a guarantee and we cant rely 100% to this.

You're right we cant say what will going to happen on the project because it depends on how it will perform to reach the required investment.

 so all of this concern was related to the kingasino bounty that is been held on bounty detective ? isnt that issue already over  .

 move on guys , you shouldnt  waste your time on one scam bounty but there are still many fishes/bounties in the sea that you can hop on  , try again and hopefully the next project your in are going to be succesful  . the number of bounty managers are too few compare to the number of bounty hunters so i dont agree that managers are the one that can do a thing   .

sometimes we cannot put too much pressure on bounty managers because he is not part of the project team and indeed many bounty hunters now blame the bounty managers against the project he manages because it ends in fraud. if the project managed by the bounty managers ends in fraud then it is the team's fault. even though they are real but that's not necessarily yet determined success because scammers have a variety of ways to get money from investors.

For projects  that are  shady then they will just simply replace or  find for another managers that arent really that too having a very strict way on verifying on projects that they are tending to handle out.

This is why some managers will not really that mind on asking out these doubting questions towards the project but it all vary with those bounty managers since they do have their own will on how
they do deal up with things..

They can make out some condition but surely this wont really be that much effective yet project owners can anytime run the campaign for their own.


Manager had nothing to do with projects success since he's just been hired out for marketing purposes but i can say that he do somewhat contribute because this is how marketing works
to give out exposure.

If it did succeed then lucky for both manager and its advertisers.

I agree with what you said about the managers having contribution. Whenever a good manager gets hired to manage a bounty or signature campaign sometimes that feeling of doubt in joining the campaign can be quickly removed but once things go bad it's collateral damage.


It's true that we can't stop bounty managers from their decision but we can still do something about it like simply avoiding it even though it looks like a legit campaign. Or start a thread in the reputation section to discourage these behaviors.

You should read what @btcltcdigger has said.

Since the third world countries have a cheap wage compared to other countries bounty managers face a similar problem because both are competing for the same job. While someone asks an amount in return for a spam free and well managed campaign another one asks for lower fee but similarly well managed campaign. This leads to a professional jousting and thus is bad for the overall system of bounty manager, project owners and bounty hunters.

As long as the hunters accept that participating in a bounty does not guarantee a payment and follow that mentality they should be fine, if they tend to become very sad on being denied payment, they should look for other earning methods.

Reputed managers are already doing this kind of screening to eliminate scammers but not every bounty managers because they are making money from it so they will accept their offers without enough research.Anyway most of the scam bounties are run by the project team itself so hunters are responsible for that project.Every bounty hunters should learn about how to choose better project because they are going to invest lot of their time for promoting that project.

it's true that the tighter the better the results we get and will also avoid scam campaigns, but instead if all campaigns do that isn't difficult because there seem to be many campaigns, and if verifying one by one a campaign will not be easy to do and also maybe just chatting with the manager will shorten their work maybe, this is just my opinion

well, if the gift manager does something like that, it can be sure that in the future the scamer campaign will disappear over time, but you must already know that there are currently so many new projects or bounty campaigns and therefore just chatting with each other will speed up and save time for other activities or work right,

It is very positive, of course, if done by the gift manager before taking action to accept a project.
the problem is that there are already many impromptu and unqualified bounty managers that have occurred and sometimes don't see what projects they will be holding anymore.

at the time of ico was still in its prime only a few bounty managers that we could know of and were usually followed by many bounty hunters. because it has met the standard and trusted and never held a scam project. because the name of a bounty manager is also used as a benchmark by investors to be able to invest funds in projects that are held.

over time, with many projects mushrooming and new projects growing in the hands of new managers whose quality has not been tested, resulting in many projects going scam.
so that it affects the quality team manager too, because investors have refrained themselves for all new projects.

Well, it can't be helped. It's difficult because they submitted it so suddenly, especially so many submissions. The prize manager will definitely find an easy way out for what they are doing, even though the conditions are not certain.

I am grateful that there is still a good gift manager because it offers projects that are always original even though it also benefits at least the projects that are shared can be trusted.

well surely the new manager will have difficulty responding to sudden and many project submissions, especially what can be done besides accepting without clear conditions to make it easier to work,

Not sure you are trying to say, are you using a machine translation service to make your posts in English? If so I would suggest you to stick to your local boards before improving your command on English.

Yes there are good managers but there is a lack of projects that are legitimate. In general you should consider every project to be a waste of time and if they pay, then you got lucky - with that mentality you will never feel bad when you find out that you have wasted your time.

Even better if you stop taking part in bounties altogether.

What do you mean by "new manager" and whats your point? Your statements make no sense. ???

I think both bounty hunters and bounty managers should once again unite. The unity and the fairness should be done by both party just like the wayback 2017 were in most of campaigns and bounty hunters are getting there benifits and profits through campaigns.
You have a point, but the solution that youve think is not tuat easy, its too much time consumming.
The good solution that I think is that.
Bounty hunters should never abuse the opportunity for such campaign, obey the rules, do the given requirements and never break the canpaign rules.
For bounty projects, they should be honest and do they part pay their participants accordingly whatever the result of the campaign.
Not just for bounty managers all must change their bad way into the good one. Never scam others for the sake of money.

If a project offers you to handle a bounty for them with good reward, do you think you will still have time to review it? But still there are few managers that still want to promote legit projects even the reward is only little.

Reward is very important but it should not be put first, the first thing that a manager should consider is if the project is legitimate or not, because it's useless to be attracted to a big reward when in the end all our effort will only be wasted as the project goes "SCAM".

That's not new to the crypto space, so we have to be aware.

We are aware but theres nothing we can do about it thats why it all lies to the manager itself if he would really choose up legit projects.Ive seen one which i do appreciate on doing such thing
which is a long time bounty manager on this forum named @bubbalex. Ive been following his telegram for a while now and as i had observed where he do meticulously choose up projects where
it is legit and does have that potential when it comes to relevance and actually utility.

Im aint a bounty participant but ive been still following it out yet recent project he had handled are successful or do end up on making some money for its participants and its pretty decent.
Its true that choosing the best project should be the main priority for those bounty manager, not just on accepting on fast pace just aiming for having lots of
campaign that had been handled but do still ending up on a scam.

I don't understand "good reward" you mean. What makes you say it's good for a newly created token that doesn't have a market yet? The bounty manager can't conclude that the rewards offered are good going forward.

If the meaning of good reward here is a manager's payments, a bad manager will sacrifice his reputation with a big reward only once. most of them are new managers.

he's probably talking about payment.

They can escape the bad reputation tho. They can just put some disclaimer under the bounty that they are just hired to bounty manager and will not be liable if the project turns out to be scams. They can also say that they did some research but they could be wrong. You know, they can easily take the job and dodge the bad reputation status. Most of them do not care about the project. If they are being paid right they will not care to the bounty hunters.

It is not the job of manager only but also for the participants to judge the project. If a person is willing to advertise the project they should be careful not the promote a scam project as well. But very few of the bounty participants actually care about this, they will jump into it without doing background checks on the team, their website or whitepaper.

Definitely, but few will read this to understand the same.

Lol, you think KYC can solve scam problems that's presently affecting crypto investors? Think again, there are many projects with real team since 2018 that still exit scam on investors, they come out in the public and show their faces on videos through youtube, they still scam people and no forces hunt them down, find time and do research first mate

I understand, and yes I agree that it's also the job of the bounty hunters but can we ensure that bounty hunters are reading it.

In fact, bounty hunters are just observing which bounty to join, they don't advertise their service like the bounty managers are doing.

If we will have everyone to blame, it will exert countless effort to determine who should be blame, some bounty hunters are just bot, they don't read, what they care is that they just do their job, so it's nice if it will start from the bounty managers since mostly the relationship is only between the bounty manager and the team, as a bounty hunter we can't approach the project team as they will just say they have already appoint something to do the job.

I don't think asking KYC to team would not work they would not give their personal information to the user they just hired since they didn't know them too personally. Well I think I'll go with the idea of video conferencing with the team who wants to run bounty campaign.

we really can't tell if that would be helpful since some of the projects doesn't care to show their identity or face and will blatantly doing their exit scam. although the risk will be lessen still there's a risk.

So many managers have been trying to do their best to avoid the scam project but it can't give a guarantee if the participants and managers will be free from the scam project. Sometimes it's a good idea to did it but i thought that when the team said it's privacy and what you can do about that. Im thinking about even when the team has verified through KYC verification didn't mean the team was also legit.
A project must be built with strong fundamental to make sure if that will not become a scam project. Even a good project early can be a scam project too.

Even some legit projects abandon their project when they fail to reach softcap. They also don't pay bounty hunters in that case. That is not scam

What you want to say to them is when a project will refuse to give hunter tokens even after reaching the softcap. You may know that there were many good projects and they reached softcap very easily but made various excuses to distribute tokens to the hunters. The only cheater way team want given to them is the image that to get the token you have to participate in kyc. where many hunters go extinct in doing, so i think 40% up hunter is expelled from the token they get.

It would mean shifting the blame again on the manager.

They already receive flak from hunters who are literally illiterate enough to not read every instruction and act like complete baboons. Even then the managers are kind enough to help them out.

This is in fact a very complicated situation if seen with a serious vision. We cannot rule out the fact that even most project owners are also frustrated on the finances received from the offering. Thus their ghosting to pay out participants and therefore the constant spamming of PMs to the manager from hunters.

I dont see any way out from this except redesigning or removing the entire "bounty" system.

Due to lack of patience and hurrying up on receiving up their rewards without even thinking that managers are trying out their best too on their participants to get paid not
only for him to get paid also but it do also add up into his reputation on handling out good projects which would be a helpful thing for his upcoming project handling in the future.

its no surprise that most hunters would really have this kind of reaction without even rethinking that it cant really change a thing if they wont tend to be that harsh
on where giving out all the blame just like theres no tomorrow.

Being a manager or community handling kind of job isnt simple and the most stressful thing is that you do receive lots of accusations/criticisms and more.

The problem is sometimes newbie managers are willing to risk just for them to have added in their portfolio and this is the competition tighten ,the older managers has no option either to stop managing or go with the flow,because even how denial they do new Bounty manager are willing to shoulder the risk and Scammer team knew about this.

So in all ways you must admit as Bounty hunter that the Bounty ways will remain like this as it started like this also.

Correct, the teams know that their "scam" will be marketed by someone. That is also why there is a need of a managers' group which can reach a consensus about new projects and assign the project to someone in that group on a turn-by-turn basis - my opinion. Anyone who is not a certified member of this group could be marked as a manager whose projects are to be handled with caution by hunters.

However creating such a system will generate a lot of uproar from unscrupulous managers like it always has happened in the past.

Sadly it is a vicious never ending cycle. Stop hunting bounties is what I have to say.

How can a video conferencing with the project team will ensure that they will not scam ? The only way for protection is to get the KYC for the owner of the project so in case he tries to scam, the bounty manager can have a legal case on them.

this is for your own opinion as i know very well that every bounty managers tries their best to fetch out some scam projects.. at this point i would love you to visit the scam accusation section to see it yourself, trusted bounty managers are working tirelessly and endlessly to put an end to such project before introducing it to their community members reason because they so much believe and entrusted him much in other hand to always remain at the top he has to do drastic research for him to be certified is not scam projects. please click here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

I don't think it's going to benefit in any way, as scammers make some plans before introducing any project and that's why they would have succeeded in committing such big scams. Even if the bounty managers have a video call condition, then surely scammers will plan for it. Because they are evil-minded people, so we should do some research on our own before joining any bounty

scammers do not have any country or religion, but they are bad people irrespective of the country.

if all bounty managers are going to unite and make it a requirement that will be good for both bounty hunters and bounty managers. we have so many projects using fake accounts coming from photo sharing sites, some of them are even using fake people with fake credentials, they get random people on social media, promising big payment just to use their profile, if they have that requirement scamming will be minimized

I mean like who does not want that? But making up such a "guild" is very difficult to maintain a clean cult and there will be others willing to work solo.

As you know being a part of a group means someone is going to be like a leading manager there and others will complain that they are taking up all the work. It is possible, though only hypothetical for now.

Previously Lauda,yahoo,Lutpin tried to grow such a system but those days are long over now. Still the well known managers are following suit.

You forgot about some specific country managers who keep on complaining about "predatory" tactics by other managers? Its baseless and false but there was a thread in "Reputation" about it a couple of months back.

It is strange how childish these "professional" people can become instead of focusing on their work.

Video calling, public visibility, these won't still stop scammers from hurting investors, since 2018 many projects that have visible team members end up exiting scam, miracle tele is a good example of such project, non anonymous teams can still scam, do your own research

Its a good point. But we don't know how they start to manage a project. May be already they already doing this video chatting. But bounty hunters have a responsibility to do their own research before joining a bounty.

Just like an investor, bounty hunters would need to do the same.

Both will make money once the project succeed, but investors loss money if it fail while bounty hunters loss its time invested when it fail.
So they both have an important things to loss when the project failed, therefore everyone should ensure to support a legit project so it's a win-win situation for both the investors and bounty hunters.

I know it's easy to say it but it's hard to do, but its alright because it's not impossible to make it happen.

At least almost everywhere, the risks for the user of any activity in the field of cryptocurrency are mentioned. This applies not only to trade and investment, but also to private owners of Bounty companies. In any case, your own research increases the degree of confidence and the percentage of the likelihood of a good result at the end of the Bounty campaign, although the analysis of a particular project cannot give 100% confidence in the real prospects.

It's an excellent point. However, we have no idea how they begin to handle a project. Perhaps they've already started video messaging. However, before joining a bounty, bounty hunters must do their own studies.