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The juice media YouTube channel uploads "Honest goverment ads" that satirize the governent. They typically mostly cover Australia. They're always hillarious and I'm a big fan of them.

The latest one, which at the time has about 33k views tackles the handling of the Coronavirus Pandemic by the current administration and it's hilarious.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpIkl2QnJeI

Wow, more ORANGEMANBAD~!

While the juice media is not without political bias, even if you look at it objectively there are about 100,000 unnecessary US deaths on his hands.

Take a look at a country as divided as the United States, where the ruling party took the crisis seriously. A country with an aging population next to a hot zone (Italy), with a giant port that is owned by the Chinese (Pireus), Greece.

Greece 19   deaths per Million (median age in Greece) = 43.4 years
USA     470 deaths per Million (median age in USA)     = 38.2


Greece doesn't have as much money as the US but they do have more doctors and better hospitals. Did Trump even try and get us single payer? Don't think so. But even if you took the health care system out of it, that wouldn't change the bad policies and example set by the Trump administration.


I'm an independent, not a democrat. If you can't accept that Trump mishandled this crisis, you're free to argue that, but you won't convince me without the facts being on your side.

I'm not the one being overly partisan here.

Number of population is a factor for the more spread compared to other country in US and also the difficulty in the medical procedure for diagnosing caused the community spread but the deaths caused by Covid 19 is not yet near to the death caused by car crashes, smoking,etc.Atleast Trump government transparent while reporting the number of cases which never happened with China and many other countries for political reasons as well.

Car crashes is happening after the invention of car and it is from a long ago. As a lot of time passed we take it as a part of our life but covid 19 not. We cant take it as normal as car crushes though there are a lot of people losses/losing their lives for car crashes. Car crash is not a Pandemic but covid not has been declared as a Pandemic.

Compare the death caused by the car crashes per year versus the death caused by covid 19 alone.People died due to lot of reasons while pandemic is going but still most of them were reported as covid 19 death.Pandemic is also uncontrollable like a car crashes then why we are discussing politics with the deaths.

Really?

But Trump largely left ALL the handling of COVID to the states. Then you have vastly different policy, and implementations in the various states. With respective responsibilities to the US State Governors. For example, Cuomo in NY literally shoving elderly Covid patients into nursing homes, thence COVID sweeps the nursing homes, often killing 50% of the facility.

You may have mistaken or mis interpreted facts. Has that occurred to you?


??? this is related to anything, exactly how? Single payer is a straight out political issue, in which a certain segment of liberals (more or less like you, Sanders supporters) have believed in it and other Democrats, and the vast majority of Republicans were against it. If you think single payer is other than a straight partisan issue, rethink it. Is it in any sense related to handling of COVID?

U.S is a world leader in medical innovation and we still beat out most countries in 5 year cancer survival rates.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country

Keep in mind, the U.S. are the ones that primarily pay for the R&D costs outright or foot the bill over time. If a company creates a new drug, they'll sell it to the U.S. market for an absurd amount of money to recover their investment then take it to other countries to sell dirt cheap.

Here are two of the best videos to see:

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c

and

https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI


These and many more videos have been taken down from Youtube by Youtube moderators. Many videos formerly found on Youtube can be found here https://altcensored.com/.

There are other video sites where people have moved their videos when they were kicked off Youtube. A few are:
- https://www.bitchute.com/
- https://www.brighteon.com/
- https://vimeo.com/

Search on "Youtube alternatives."

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The assertion that Greece has a low COVID mortality compared to the US, and therefore Trump is responsible tfor those dead, is totally ludicrous. Everything has to be morphed into anti-Trump propaganda, but this is ridiculous.

Try nearly every other country, and since the US nearly spans a continent, it arguably should have been limited to only a small part of the United States.

There is a reason why a large country like China has a low mortality rate

And there is also a reason why a dense country with a huge population that is densely concentrated, like Japan has a low mortality rate.

And why the US really can't even get close to them.

USA       Deaths per 1 Million population 473
China    Deaths per 1 Million population     3
Japan    Deaths per 1 million population   8


The US is so spread out that we should have been able to contain the virus. The US is also on a seperate continent, both from Italy and China and we got the virus much later on.


We could easily have had an extremely low mortality rate.

But Trump did fire all of the experts because they were useless apparently. Apparently we only need to pay the experts when there is a crisis and not to look for upcoming problems. The Trump people were dumb enough to go out and protest the pandemic measures. The left weren't much smarter, going out to protest racial injustice during the pandemic, at least it's a real issue and they were wearing masks.


Swap out Trump with a competent president, and we'd have prevented at least 100,000 deaths and also protected our economy.

^^^ All that is going on is that different countries have different standards for measurement, and different standards for displaying lies.

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Says who? You?

Without a vaccine, the virus was always likely to spread through most of the country, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention predicted in March.

I sincerely hope you are not naive enough to think China has stayed at ~80k coronavirus cases throughout the entirety of this pandemic.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

Look at their curve and compare it to other countries. That sort of clean logarithmic curve isn't even possible in the real world, especially with coronavirus. China is lying and has been lying about their numbers for a long time.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

I'd advise you to click the link above and look at Japan's curve chart. They're curve is indicative of exponential growth and they have a clear defined second wave. I'd also argue Japan, on average, is healthier than the average fat fuck of an American that's riddled with heart disease and drinks 5 budlights a day. Also, Japan is small enough in population on absolute terms to implement adequate contact tracing. This won't work in a country like the U.S. due to population size.


It doesn't matter when the U.S. got the virus. Coronavirus on average has a Ro value >1 meaning that one person will, on average, transmit the disease to more than one person essentially causing everyone in a population to get infected over time. This is why you're seeing large second waves in countries that handled the virus well initially. There is no containing the virus.

That's not how it works at all. If contact tracing was perfect, you could stop the virus before infecting more than a handful of people, and then poof it would disappear.

Just because it can technically spread to everyone doesn't mean it will. It's just one more factor.





Japan's population is not small. It's about half of the population of the US. (About 40% if you're being pedantic, even 38% if you're being anal)
Japan is also spread through islands and has some very dense areas. Contact tracing isn't going to be any harder in the US.

Contact tracing becomes a little harder when you don't handle the crisis in a timely fashion. It'd be even easier in the US as you can just limit travel from the infected states and you have tons of land separation.

Just because New York got hit, it didn't mean that florida had to be hit hard, but it did. Florida is Trumptopia and they listened to big daddy Trump. I'm not saying Trump is bad, nor that Trump people are bad, many of my friends are very pro-Trump.

What I am saying, is that Trump fucked up. Do you disagree?



Also on the China data. Thunderf00t on YouTube (thunderf00t is a PHD chemist, who does mostly nuclear chemistry experiments on nuclear reactors and has had a pretty solid academic career (a lot of impactful papers)) used the data from China.

In fact using the data from China he made a simple but actually very accurate model for other countries, including the US before the whole thing was even a crisis. Since his model was accurate, that leads me to believe the Chinese numbers were accurate.

You'll notice on the chinese data there is suddenly a day with a huge increase, that's when they expanded the definition for what is considered coronavirus related.

Yes the Chinese government is pretty close to dystopian. I would never want to live in country like that. However look at the PPE they are using and the measures they took. It makes pefect sense they could contain the virus quickly.


There is a lot of conspiracy bullshit when it comes to China precisely because the government is so oppressive, however I haven't seen a theory that hasn't been debunked.

I used to watch China uncensored and there are many mistakes made, it's very sensational but also very low on substance. A lot of lies and exaggerations. It's funny to "expose" a ridiculously evil government like the Chinese communist party but you have to remain factual.

Did they unjustly jail people of a minority group and harvest their organs. Checkity check check.
Did they hide coronavirus deaths... No, not really as the data they gave us had predictive capacity.

They did try and cover up the virus initially but they gave up quickly enough not to necessarily fuck everyone over. If China hadn't tried to cover it up, we probably would never be in that situation.

But had it started in the United States, due to the general incompetence, greed, and limited availabilty of medical services present, the global crises would have been WAY worse.

It's funny how history repeats itself. The Spanish flu originated in the United States (Kansas), but Spain was the country that first admitted it had a problem. So everyone else covered it up until then (with good reasons).

China gets a new pandemic and doesn't admit it either until it's too late. 100 years later.

Anyway this thread was suppossed to be about the great work of the juice media.

Greatly summarizes the situation in the US. I haven't seen any valid criticism of the video. In fact, I'll just re-watch.

My only criticism of their videos. Some of the humor is hit or miss, it's not all George carlin level, but honestly for what passes for humor these days, it's top tier. S-Class.

The main reason why some countries have low infection rates, and hence low mortality rates is that citizens of those countries can follow simple instructions, understand the public health emergency AND are willing to change their behaviour.

Americans are ignorant, uneducated, dumb clusterfucks who wave their constitution in your face the moment you ask them to do something they don't like.  I suspect that obesity, rampant diabetes and cancer rates among Americans have contributed to the bottom line.

I expect that majority of Americans would not follow the strict social distancing, lockdown measures even if Trump mandated wearing face masks and face shields right from the start, in March.  His failure to understand the issue exacerbated the problem.  His arsenal of five adjectives accurately reflects the level of intelligence of a typical American.

Some dipshits in the US see mask wearing as 'their personal freedom' issue.    It is very difficult to manage such an ignorant cohort of apes.

A lot of Americans are free thinking individuals, and you shouldn't condemn them for refusing to accept the diktats of those who are blinkered by the gluteus max of the Pharma executives.

^^^ Especially since nobody is showing us any legitimate chemistry/medical process where they have proof that Covid actually exists, right?

Does anybody remember the Sean Connery Medicine Man movie? Remember near the end of the movie when Campbell fights the little Indian witch doctor? As the fight is concluding, the witch doctor says, "No Juju in sky flower. Only home for bugs. Campbell is a fool."

Covid and other viruses are like that. Researchers have been looking for all kinds of viruses for ages. And when they can't find them with certainty, they develop all kinds of assumptive stories and suggestions that they might exist, because...

No Juju in viruses. Only home for wild researcher imaginations.

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I believe there is a virus, but I don't think it is a match for a healthy immune system.

But what is a healthy immune system to you? Is that one of someone is the 'low-risk' category, meaning that the person is under 50 and has no underlying health conditions that could increase their chances of death due to Covid?

Or is it just anyone that doesn't have underlying health conditions?

There's like 150,000 people that are dead because of this. Is there a way for this to be explained?

Actually, the real stats show that the total number of dead is the same this year as any year. That they might be attributed to Covid simply takes away from other things... like heart disease and cancer and diabetes.

The medical has done this before in history. Suddenly heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and flu deaths decline almost to zero, but everybody is dying of Covid.

How many deaths have there been since the beginning of time?

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No one can differentiate humans,
Because the virus don't know who is who.
In respective of the immune system,because I have seen a man of 55 years the immune system is stronger than a boy of 17 years.
The only thing we have to looked at,is how strong is virus?
Because I noticed in hospital that a medical doctor prescribed a drugs for treatment of malaria for a patient and the patient get better.
But the same drug was prescribed to another patient but the sickness persists,while is because of the level of the illness not immune system.

I know there's this conspiracy theory regarding listing people as  COVID death, though it's just not true at all. Hospitals aren't going to get any more money for someone who has probably died from COVID, they get paid based on the amount of people that have COVID and are being treated for it.


Probable deaths are included in the death count, as testing is still limited at the moment, though there isn't any more money paid to hospitals just for coding someone as a 'probable death' of COVID.

There's no proof of this fraud. It's not on someone to prove that fraud didn't happen, its on the accuser to prove that fraud did occur.

Paid on how many people are being treated for Covid? Thank you. Because the people being treated in hospitals are dying, right? Oh sure, not all of them. But if you can take a car accident vicim in the hospital, and say he is a Covid victim, you get more money. But since he is a car accident victim, and you start treating him for Covid, it's the wrong treatment, and he dies.



There is no proof of this fraud? We get the info from the media and State reports. If you can't trust the media and State reports, why does anybody think that Covid deaths have made the total death count greater than it is? I mean, either you trust the media or you don't. You can't simply say, trust them here, but don't trust them there.

Further, are we trusting Communist China that Covid is really real? They are communists, for Pete's sake. And THAT is where the WHO is headquartered.

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There's nothing wrong with the national government paying 20% more if a patient is Covid positive, because of the massive extra c cost the hospital has in dealing with covid-positive patient.

You're wrong! Why? Watch the first 25 minutes of this - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI.

Hospitals are not necessary. Hydorxychloroqine is safe and effective when used in doses of 200mg at least twice a week. Virtually everybody is cured, especially if they start at the onset of symptoms. The addition of zinc or products that include zinc, increase the effectiveness of HCQ.

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+1 to that. Not sure on why there are so many conspiracy theories on the matter. Everything can be quickly resolved by saying the following.

Is it true that Hospitals get paid more to treat people for COVID? Yes.

Is it true that Hospitals get paid more for listing a death as COVID? No.

Are hospitals telling everyone they have COVID and making a shit ton of money from it? I mean, probably not. This may happen with a few people who have symptoms, but I assume there are other people who are told they don't have COVID (and are turned away from the hospitals) who the Hospitals are 'losing' out on.

Not sure on why people think there's this crazy conspiracy going on here. Wouldn't someone blow the whistle? So many hospitals, so many people on the staff, highly doubt that this could be kept under wraps.

Listing a death as Covid reduces paper work I believe. There are several reports of false declarations being made by busy doctors and surgeons. One surgeon actually stated a case. It seems he had attempted an organ transplant on a patient with Covid. This was not successful, and regrettably the patient died. He was told to report it as a Covid death, as this was a simple report. If he had reported it as a transplant failure, there would have been an inquest into the operation, and this involves a considerable amount of paperwork and reporting.

The isolation wards, the protective gear, the cleanups, as required for every single COVID positive patient, that's not a minor expense. Neither is finding people to work in such wards.

The COVID situation in the United States has been perfectly summarized in video form as the spread of the virus in the United States continues to grow. Although the cost of hospital treatment has increased, it is very small and the situation is getting worse because not enough people in the United States are wearing masks and not respecting the social distance. car accidents are not epidemics, they are usually accidents.

I can check with people I know who every day handle death certificates and forms in hospitals, but just knowing what kind of people they are, it's impossible there is a bunch of lying and misrepresentation going on.

But this is a huge enough issue that I'm sure anybody that went poking through the deaths looking for oddities could find them among the COVID-related deaths. Then again that's really always been true, if you went poking through that stuff you could find oddities.

Part of the process for listing a death as Covid is treating the person for Covid before he died.

The only time you can split the two is if he doesn't die, and they STILL might get more to treat him.

The point is calling it Covid when it isn't Covid. Or calling cause of death Covid when there were enough co-morbidities (heart diseas, cancer, diabetes, etc.) that nobody can say for sure that it was Covid. But they are going beyond that. They are calling it Covid when they KNOW it is one of the co-morbidities. They aren't magnifying Covid because it's fun. They are doing it for money.

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+1

Imagine the amount of gear that they had to go out and buy to ensure that all of their employees are safe while working with COVID patients? Plus I've heard from medical professionals that the doctors are actually undressed (from their protective gear) by nurses, who are also paid, and I assume are only undressing doctors as there is probably a lot to do regarding that.

Plus sick pay and stuff for sick employees -- as they're going to have the highest chance of getting the Coronavirus. Not good PR for someone to get COVID from working at a hospital, and then not getting paid or getting fired.


Yeah I mean I can't see this being this crazy for people to understand. Why hasn't anyone picked up on all of this? Maybe because all the conspiracies aren't true.

as long as there are no drugs and vaccines, prevention of infection that continues to grow is to follow a very strict health protocol.

- mandatory use of masks,
- maintaining a distance between one person and another must be maintained,
- don't do a lot of crowd in one area.
- washing hands every time they touch ingredients when outside the home,

and it seems that some health protocols are often overlooked, this is clearly very unfortunate if a large country cannot provide an example so that continuing transmission does not occur.

All of these things spread the virus more than they contain the virus.

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No, that actually is how it works. The Ro value is on average how many people the virus will infect within a population. Unless a population was completely isolated, then the Ro value is not relevant. But that's not true. Ebola's Ro value was significantly less than coronavirus primarily because it was spread through surface touching, not through the air. The transmission is what matters here. And I also was not making a point that contact tracing was perfect, but it helps when your population is isolated over a small geographical area and is small on absolute terms. The bigger the population, the exponential growth of potential contacts.


Contact tracing becomes exponentially more difficult when the population increases. If you have an island of 100 people, That is 100 individual points of transmission in which any one person can have contact with. When you have an island of 1,000 people, that's 1,000 individual points of transmission in which the virus can spread. The more the population, the harder it becomes to contact trace because of the potential number of contacts. To your point, contact tracing only works when the virus is under control. But even then, geography also plays a role. The U.S. is a lot larger than Japan so health officials need to work over a greater area instead of isolating resources into one condensed area.

Another point to make, Japan has greater social conformity than the U.S. You tell an American to do something simple like washing their hands and wear a mask, they'll do the opposite. Japanese people will conform for the betterment of society and don't mind sacrificing personal comfort for it. This isn't a necessarily a failure on Trump. Americans can be retarded, at times.



Florida didn't really get hit that hard though. And define "Trump fucked up"? Whenever governors asked for federal resources, Trump delivered. When Cuomo asked for PPE, he got it. When he asked for ventilators, he got it. People don't understand that the response to coronavirus is largely up to the state level because the federal government can't be the ones to lock everyone in a cage in order to prevent the spread. States can implement lockdowns, mandatory mask wearing, introducing testing infrastructure, prepping their hospitals, ect. That isn't Trump's responsibility. What is his responsibility is failing to step in when states request for help, and so far I have not seen that.

Also important to note, it's mostly doctors running the show. Despite what people like to think, Trump isn't the one making calls. His staff his. So rest assured that it's professionals that are handling this.



It doesn't matter if Thunderf00t used their data or not. A lot of high level intellectuals used China's data thinking it was accurate and it simply is not. Again, I'll reference China's curve. Not a single country in the ENTIRE world has a logarithmic curve in terms of cases. It's not possible. China began shipping out journalists from their country when coronavirus got out of hand and silenced doctors. Don't take their word for shit, including their reported cases.

You are right. When anyone affected by covid and got died call that dead has happened for covid19. But the death might be for different case if the person already affected by other disease as you have mentioned for example, diabetes, heart attack, cancer etc.

Like one case in Florida where the guy died as the result of a car accident.

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I accept as true with all of you that albeit he died within the normal way now he's counting that he died of the coronavirus.
many of us died in car accidents when there was no coronavirus you're right that they're doing this for money the speed of novel coronavirus infection is increasing day by day within us that's why these are being presented within the sort of more videos. Hospitals have increased the speed of treatment thanks to taking extra money.

Trump started taking HCQ (hydroxychloroquine) immediately after Dr. Zelenko informed him about it. Go to the website for more Zelenko quotes.

Watch the video, below. Note that this video might come down, because it is hosted on Youtube. So, get it while you can.


UPDATE: Dr. Zev Zelenko Gives Insightful Talk On HCQ/Deep Medical State Corruption w/ Debbie Aldrich (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/288070-2020-08-07-update-dr-zev-zelenko-gives-insightful-talk-on-hcq-deep.htm)




Dr. Zelenko on the Front Lines of HCQ. Why is the Media and Fauci against HCQ?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mu_scJimKrA/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLCaHc8IWqrMCOryXhOiPG5AISYIpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_scJimKrA&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_scJimKrA&feature=emb_logo)


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If anything Covid deaths get undercounted.

When all this is over, we can just see if the general death rate went up. How many extra people died and whether that's a significant figure. About a Million extra deaths is far from insignificant especially considering only about 56 Million people die each year.

For example we might have anticipated 56.5 Million deaths but we see 58 instead.

I've worked with people who have had covid, and who have family members with covid right the fuck now. It's not a conspiracy and it's not a scam.

Since the total death counts are barely any larger than any other year, in order for there to be high Covid deaths, that means that all kinds of other deaths must have dropped down.

So, if we have lots more Covid deaths then we have

- less flu deaths
- less heart disease deaths
- less cancer deaths
- less diabetes deaths
- less car crash deaths
- less suicides
- less you-name-it deaths

because total deaths are about the same, right?

But suicide deaths are up. Are the rest of them down that much?

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Yup, I've seen a few articles regarding the fact that death rates for other typical illnesses (heart issues, lung issues, diabeties, etc) are up to the fact that most of the medical world is dealing with this issue right now.

The craziest thing for me is when people start saying things (I said this at one point too) -- COVID IS JUST LIKE THE FLU MAN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE ALL WORKED UP, THE FLU KILLS MORE PEOPLE PER YEAR. Yeah -- but the FLU happens EVERY YEAR, COVID came out of left field and this is an additional 160k deaths in the US that we weren't expecting.

People are still dying of all the regular stuff, PLUS COVID.

Corona viruses were first discovered in the 1930s, so this one is not really new. The big difference is the way that the bankers and globalists have latched onto it to expand their eugenics through vaccination programmes, and to force an economic reset to reduce nationalism and create larger global corporations. It is estimated that the memory R-cells that are retained in the immune systems of people who were infected by the SARS 2002/3 epidemic, and still active, and probably give 50% of many populations immunity to this virus.

If you reflect on the various government actions, and the distorted statistical results, you can get a feel for the real motives. For example, wearing face masks deflects the exhaled virus up into the eyes, and this helps to spread the infection in recovering patients. You don't need medical advice and stats to know this is true. Just wear a mask, and think about the effect it has on your face and eyes.

"Stay at home - save lives" is a nice catchy slogan, but it isn't true. I can think of several better ones -

" Spread immunity, join the community!
" Vitamin D - the health key"
" Be the healthy one - get out in the sun"
" Stop the slaughter - drink more water"

I agree. I would add that viruses seem to mutate. Of the possibly millions of viruses around, only about 5,000 have been studied in detail. In other words, there might be hundreds of Corona-type viruses that haven't been found yet.

If you listen to the vaccine companies, they will deceive you forever.

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