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Since the casinos opened in the June , even though the cases of Corona virus were rising and it was deemed a bad idea by most , unfortunately the regulations did not go well.

Now the small business based casinos have urged the Government to spare them of Lawsuits that might cause their whole business to shut down.

Lawsuits like *I got infected here , there was no sanitization* and boom , you are in the news and finally the casino needs to be shut down.

Now I do think this will be very unlikely that Government will make an exception regarding this since time and again we have seen that people don't follow the rules themselves , most of them don't even know how to use the masks , what did the casinos expect ? This was bound to happen . That is the whole reason why online casinos and gambling sites are fluorishing during this time .

-If the Government does this, most casinos might get away with cleaning and sanitization problems , if they don't some casinos are bound to shut down sooner or later.



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They shouldn't have opened up in the first place , they could have might as well invested in an online site during the time and they could even buy stakes in some online Gambling site and wait , since coronavirus is not going to go anywhere until and unless strict restrictions are going to be followed , which is better for the business in the long term

I think operating in Open Space with Barriers (probably stanchions like barriers used in banks), plus others important safety measures seem to be one of the most sensible measures to take to protect customers, workers and the employers. These should make it hard for them to have a successful case against the good/safe betting businesses/casinos. That will become  good proofs that the businesses are doing the right thing hence unlikely to spread the disease to people.

They ask to operate then why are they afraid of lawsuits?

There are protocols to be followed, if they will imposed it strictly, I don't think they will be afraid of a lawsuit.
What do they think of themselves, operating a business without sense of responsibility?

This is bound to open it's a choice between the economy and the health and it's not only on Las Vegas but every country where infection is very high and people are fighting to keep the money flowing in or lower the infection it's lock down or work it's the choice that it's hard to deal with, Las Vegas wants to save these casinos because it's the city's bread and butter.

And that is the problem in a country like US, they have so much freedom that anyone can be liable for a lawsuit. And I don't think that the government are going to protect them in the first place. And I also doubt that there is really a case when you find yourself as a business being sued by someone as this is hard to proved in a court of law.

This is an invisible enemy that we are facing, and we don't know when we are going to be infected in the first place.

This is going to be very big challenge as entire world such situation is arises and how to handle it is still uncertain. As the cases are still spreading and rising so many people are avoiding moving out. So, this is leading to less demand, people are not able to pay the salary to staff, people are losing jobs. Government need to intervene and provide as much support as possible to all such business.

That would not be fair I believe, casinos here are playing safe, with that kind of protection on the casinos, the problem would be worsen.
If they will close, then so be it, casinos are not a necessity for us, it's just an entertainment where people can live even without a casino.

A just government would not allow this to happen, if there are lawsuits then they should face it, that's part of the risk when they are given another chance to re open the operation.

I get that the government gets good taxes on casino operation but they can't give that kind of immunity that could only be abuse by casino owners in the long run.

I knew this kind of issue would happen the moment I saw a thread here regarding casinos opening in Las Vegas during this pandemic. there are a lot of entitled people who thinks they are above the law or simple protocols and would blame you the moment they fucked up even if it is their fault. but the problem is these casinos most like didn't have a strict protocol on social distancing or hygiene that is why there are people able to file a complaint agaisnt them and these casinos are afraid of it.

The countries which has contained better the virus have used strict protocol measures to keep the virus from spreading.This countries beside following the guidelines they also imposed people even in building elevators to wear masks otherwise they would not let people without masks use the elevators.

The casinos who want to be spared from being filed against should offer the maximum hygiene possible in their place and also follow strict rules and protocols.They can use their cameras to fight back against any file petition against them when they are sure they have done everything needed by the government.

@acroman08 the thread you’re referring to was started by me, and this is exactly what I was afraid of would happen, and sadly the gamblers kept on coming and the casinos were only happy to have them back. At this stage I’m not really sure if the casinos actually failed to deploy the necessary safety measures, and further if those gamblers don’t have solid proof against those casinos then this case won’t stand in the court of law.

Thread link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253684.0

To be honest, that makes no sense to me. On the same principle people can file lawsuit against shopping malls, beauty salons, restaurants or any other object, people can get infected everywhere.
This sounds to me more like a campaign against casino, an opportunity to make harm to them like "unnecessary" business but I don't think this is going to work.

Even if they are a small casino business, if they are following the proper guideline and protocols, they don't have to worry or be afraid of possible lawsuits. Customers and employees can also complain if they are really not showing any proper sanitation, but if they are imposing those protocols, then there would be no problem.

We are aware that a lot of people also don't follow some rules like wearing masks, but these casinos have the authority not to let those people in if they are not following the rules to ensure everyone's safety inside the facility.

It's but natural for the governor to protect the interest of the city this is where they built their city it's the gambling and entertainment capital of the world if they allow it face a lot of lawsuits so many casinos will shutdown and face million dollar lawsuits and this will harm the revenue of the city which heavily relies on these hotels and casinos.

I wonder what the response of the Las Vegas mayor after these sentiments were expressed by casino operators? She's the one who pushed with the opening of the casinos since she believe that the economy is far more important than public health and safety and here we are ::)

If those casinos followed minimum health standards and safety guidelines, they shouldn't be afraid of lawsuits, and its within the discretion of the player to risk his/her life by playing within a casino. I mean, it's not as if that's the only place a virus could linger, especially if it's sanitize for the most part of the day.

Expenses of doing an offline casino is getting increasing that is the reason why more gambling sites are arising where the expenses are lot less compared to maintaining an offline casino.But without having proper sanitization then the casino should not be allowed to run as well but government should explore themselves before shutting down the casino.

Most of the people who oppose them to open are the ones who see the spread of the virus will truly be inevitable. One person holds a ship and then passed on to another is just a trail to follow. But the mayor just goes on to open because the businessmen are pressuring her.  Now these casinos still have the gall to suggest of sparing them from lawsuits. Its so good to be rich in this world, you can get away with just about anything when you have the money to control politics.

Having a lawsuit is different than actually win it. Anyone can blame anyone for anything. If anyone placed a lawsuit against me even without a reason, I'd be called for a response by the court. And it's not compulsory for me to answer but a simple written response would be enough for me to win the lawsuit if the claims are baseless. Similarly, I don't think anyone would be able to stop people from filing a lawsuit but they'd be difficult to prove if the casinos claimed they actually were doing as required.

It seems very obvious to me that they want the best of both worlds, they want to be open and to earn a lot of money but they do not want to be liable for anyone that gets infected in the casino, I cannot blame them since it makes sense for them but it is completely ridiculous, any business that decides to open their doors during this pandemic should take responsibility for what happens inside their business, if such an exception is allowed for casinos then everyone is going to ask for the same exception too and at the same time casinos are going to be less enthusiastic about following the guidelines to protect their clients since there are not going to be negative consequences for them.

FACT CHECK - There are countries that imposed a very strict lockdown during the early stage of the pandemic, around March they already implemented a total lockdown, citizens are just on their home, market is the one that is doing the door to door for the people and it resulted to slow down and better containing of the virus. What did the Las Vegas did is that they opened the casinos because that is the heart of their economy, maybe their mayor have already experiencing a dilemma between the store owners, and so she did open it. But if there are heavily followed protocols there wouldn't be much of an infection, besides it is not only the casino who needs to follow, the people should too.

If that's the case it is better to close them again, if there happens to be a single infection in any casino, they should be closed as soon as possible and the staff should be quaratined.

They still didn't realize they have helped the number of deaths to increase because of opening the casinos in their area. But instead of taking responsibility and do the right thing, they plead to exclude them from lawsuits. How convenient is this for them?

Its time for them to face the consequences of their action but even this they are trying to get away while during the pandemic they are trying to keep earning while the rest are mourning. Good job mayor.

Vegas will only be afraid if they are not implementing the protocol directed to them.
People will complain things like;

But if Vegas are confident that they  implement and follow the rules, they should not ask for something that they know a government can't grant.

During this time of uncertainties and risk caused by the global pandemic, it is not ideal for business such as casinos to open up their physical space. I think that it would be more appropriate and safer to open up their online casino sites keeping up with the new normal working system of society, online interactions.

This is just a conlcusion of yours, I supposed. Coz we don't really know if there are people who have fetched the virus in their area, though the chances are high since virus can live in surfaces up to hours but still we can't just be this assumable. If they are following strict protocols, such as individual medication, any proof of quarantined days that they have gone by then they could be inside the casino, on top of the protective gears that they will require for each and every one. It is a both end responsibility after all, if you wanted to play but is feeling sick why would you push yourself for doing so?

yeah if it is proven that they contributed to the number, they could be possibly shut down but not really a lawsuit, no one wants that to happen, all they want is a source of tax.

You know what, if the owners can afford to stop the operation they will, but they know there are people who will lose their job if they will stop and that would be another problem since the government has to extend some help to this people. Actually, any business that could risk ourselves in getting outside is not idea, however, if the government will stop them, it will cause for the economy to collapse.

yeah, that's the thread that I am talking about

the lawsuit may not hold in court if the complainant doesn't have enough evidence to prove his claim but judging by the casino owners reaction about the filed complaint against them it is clear that they have failed or hasn't implemented proper protocols on their establishment.

Yea, they should stay closed and to fire all employs and to go online! Seems like you are the best manager in the world! Who fucks people who work there, and their families, let them die from hunger!
Amount of stupidity I saw in this topic is amazing, I don't know why people have an urge to comment and judge without thinking. It's very easy to do that from the comfort of your home, I would ask you what would you do if you live in Vegas and you depend on the salary from some casino!


One of the good comments in this topic, and the good logic to follow "anyone can blame anyone for anything" and ask a question where will this lead us!?
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We all have diffirent cultures which matters in times like this.  Asians can just survive with rice and some vegges that we can pick from our own garden and so we can survive for more than years eating porridge every day.
 
People in vegas lives differently but now those affected of the coronavirus has two problems. One, they are sick and needs medication and two, they need food for them to survive. It could have been just one problem if they didn't open yet.

Yea, I wonder what would you plant in that desert?!

I can't believe what you are writing! By you the entire city should be closed and it's better to just be hungry than to be sick and hungry? Like if we have to choose from two evils let's choose starvation?! Let's sit at home and watch hungry kids eating their plastic toys?

Do you really wish to spend your life in constant fear? Sitting and home, pointing fingers in others and judging them because they refuse that?

Hopefully judges in the US are not that stupid to burn down a multi billion industry because of some stupid accusation.

You can get infected while you are doing your groceries too. Do they close down a wallmart when somebody gets infected there? Nope. Not happening.

Believe me, even if I say we shouldn't open the city. I can't do anything about it.  After all they've already opened it. Its done.
But I didn't say they should plant in the desert.  That would be more stupid of THEM. I wanna make it clear that I'm not saying you are stupid. Its them who plant on desert who are stupid.

Now that they are infected, are they still allowed to go work on the casino?  If they are then good for them. If not then prehaps they can die waiting for stipumus package but that is not what I want them to do. They can find ways like the homeless man trying to fish the river.

There are still ways if someone is really eager and not really that lazy when it comes to survival.Its just a matter on using up your brain and not just sitting and waiting to die on starvation.

I cant really blame out people do making out these kind of decisions yet we know on how hard life is without any work or income.We cant feed ourselves and majority is pretty

aware on their health risk when they tend to choose to work in spite in the middle of pandemic situation.Most businesses now are already opened not only on Las vegas but also in other countries as well,

so this isnt just an issue or a topic to talk about in just one place.It is happening everywhere!

Really stupid if that's the only reason, though for sure the taxes that came from this business will be weight in before
any decisions from the judges, imagine the amount of money even there's still virus around.

Will be another controversial decision just in case this case will favor the closure.

And also, they should look into the situation if the individual is also following the health protocols at all times like wearing mask and social distancing. Since they have cameras everywhere, they will know if that person is observing those protocols. The blame should not fall directly on the casino side but on both sides. And I don't think they will shut down casinos for good. That's where a large of income is coming from.

Las Vegas casinos should be prepared to accept the risk with the corona virus situation which is still worsening until now,
because of the government only carry out strict rules regarding the corona virus. Because with the increasing number of deaths,
indeed it is not permissible to loosen the rules that apply. So the casinos must close their business if an infected person is found
and proven not to properly implement health protocols.

Because even if the casinos are implementing the health protocols, they can't assure that their patrons are observing these at all times.
Social distancing alone is hard to keep among those players inside.
They need to choose whether it is good for business or for the people.
Either way, they need to re-assess the situation and act accordingly.

I think both the casino and the government will need to coexist to solve that problem by implementing the rule and the protocols to protect people from the infection. The casino must have hand sanitizer in every place, including in every table, if necessary, so the gamblers can see that the casino follows what the government says. It is not just one agency works, but it needs support from all people, even the casino, which will be the place that people will gather. I am sure that if all people, all casinos, and the government can unite together, we will address the increasing number of infected people. If that succeeds, I think the government will reopen another business and use it as already applied in the casino. Soon, the economy will be better with the new normal conditions.

I don't think so, vegas losing a lot of money daily when their operation was stopped.

 Las Vegas casino companies burning up to $14.4M a day, report finds (https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/las-vegas-casino-companies-burning-up-to-14-4m-a-day-report-finds-1989791/)

Therefore I believe that they have a reason to open, this is for the economy, and US can't afford to keep spending for the needs to combat the virus without the tax collection from business.


I'm pretty sure investors of Las Vegas casinos knows how to manage the risk, they have diversified their investment for sure but Vegas operation is just too big not to continue for them, probably their biggest investment.

Before the casino was allowed to re-open, the government already issued a guidelines to follow when vegas resumes, and by opening the casino, they agreed with the guidelines to implement the safety protocol, so they should not be afraid of lawsuits if they implement it effectively.

In the first place, people are are not required to go in a casino, it's their well to be in a casino and they should understand that there's a risk that they might get infected. I'm just curious, do they get have an outstanding legal case from clients already?

Of course lawsuit penalties are damn so high. It can be a possible reason for the Casino to decide bankruptcy. This is why the government could easily implement their rules and regulations due to the implemented high penalties to make sure that all the rules and protocols will be met by the casino owners and management. Clearly the Las Vegas Casinos an established Casino will be scared even how establish are they. Anyway, hopefully whatever disputes or any mistakes being made could be arrange so that it will not get to a point of getting a lawsuit and paying penalties.

Trump and senate republicans talked about passing a bill that would shield liability from businesses from frivolous lawsuits of people trying to milk them for money stating they got coronavirus from their establishment. This isn't even just limited to casinos. Most mom and pop shops couldn't afford to fight off this lawsuit if someone tried to sue them. They need liability protection.

I don't see what is wrong over here. They are failing to follow the laws, rules and regulation. Hence they are getting shutdown. I am pretty sure they probably agreed to all the conditions on how to operate the casino during this pandemic (sanitization, social distancing and so on) before being allowed to reopen.
And now they are trying to pass a law so that the "frivolous" laws don't shutdown them? The lawmakers never fail to amuse me.

There will be no exception in the law, even if you are a small business or not. Since they chose to open their business even they know the risk that people may get infected, they should be prepared for the consequences.

I've seen a lot of people in the U.S. that don't believe in wearing masks, and once someone is positive with COVID and they do contact tracing, all of the places or establishments that they've been to will have to close down to avoid contamination and virus spread.

I am confused why did they operate then?

We are in a pandemic and if people realized they have the virus they will find a way to blame it to others even if they are at fault and obviously, they will blame the casinos or maybe the bars. Despite the level of the casinos, small or not, there will be no exceptions. They should've think this through.

Maybe that is the reason why some casinos, despite the permission for them to operate did not open.

Is it allowed in the US to sue entities for the spreading of "common" diseases such as the flu or the COVID ?

Covid, yes.

As far as I know these casinos or bars shoyld be able to follow the protocols so that people would be safe from the pandemic. If it is proven that they are not following these protocols, yes, they can sue the casinos. As far as I know workers are even suing the casinos where they are working with the same resaon.

We really cannot blame those who have made and filed these cases against the big casinos. I mean the government did ask the casinos to open to stimulate the economy, with conditions that the owners of these casinos should follow certain health protocols, and should have known and prepared for the pandemic. The owners should be aware about the huge loss they will get if they close the business. As were advised by many here, managing online casinos should have been the option that should have made by them to ensure that they have a steady flow of cash.

Maybe there are lots of such lawsuits too. Check out this article, for example:

https://therealdeal.com/la/2020/06/22/for-las-malls-lawsuits-could-be-the-next-crisis/


I don't think it's a campaign against casino. Many businesses, those mentioned by you and more, have been affected by the pandemic. If I were a business owner, I would go online completely until this Corona crisis settles down. Or, I would place  a warning right on the entrance, saying: "You are entering this public place at your own risk. Your safety from contracting COVID-19 is not guaranteed." Something like that(not a lawyer myself), to prevent possible lawsuits.

One of the reasons why some of the casinos in Las Vegas are now open because of the important role that they serve in the economy, it is a billion dollar industry and the tax that the government generating from those casinos are important in order for the government to support their local economy and also the lives of the people whonare affected because of the pandemic.

Actually I do not know why a lot of people are still willing to go to traditional casinos even though there is a threat, maybe their addiction drives their engine and soul for them to do what they desires but they should be aware that they can get the virus from the casinos especially if a certain casino doesn't have good health protocol.

Casinos are so large, employing so many people, like the hole city of Las Vegas is build upon those casinos. Without them the city is doomed. Sure there were infections in the casinos but that can also be the case of people not following the safety instructions properly. If the casinos were closed and the visitors would have went to the beach instead there is still a chance they would have gotten corona.

I think the lawesuits should not be allowed on a federal level. Casinos are already hurting a lot at the moment, we shouldn't attack them further. If everything keeps being closed, the economy will go to shit completely. It has to be a trade off between protecting everyone, and helping the economy.

Over here in the capital City of Abuja FCT, the government had done the same to some irresponsible gambling casinos because they don't strictly obey the given protocols from the NCDC. The task force enforced the closure of some selected gambling casinos to avert the spread of the novel pandemic in the region and country.

The Las Vegas casinos scared of lawsuits is a clear indication of their irresponsibility. No need to be afraid of any sort because the government had already given the green night for the resumption of the casinos, their fears came from their irresponsibility, so, they should face it squarely.

In my opinion, it should be clear that these casinos are operating but that they cannot insure that people will not get sick. Even a warning like this is kind of stupid, since everyone should be aware by now that the situation we are currently facing can be dangerous.

We can't blame the people who file the petition for casino owners that may shut down their business. To start the casino owners must follow a protocol at times like this and those who didn't folloe will surely shut their business down. If the pandemic did not happen then it would be a different story.

If they are open for business and even have strict health protocols, no one can assure that no one will be infected. As some are walking asymptomatic, they can transfer the virus without them knowing. So it is really stupid if someone will sue the casino when someone gets the infection. What they can do to avoid such possible infection is not to totally go to casinos for now. If they really want to be safe from this virus.

With Covid19 it is not easy to predict and state where you can be infected. If when visiting a Casino you observe that all sanitary measures are followed for your safety and that of all. Your visit could be a success but there will always be someone who wants to benefit from this situation if He/She turns out positive in some of these Casinos and issue a claim to profit.

I agree that they should not open very early until the infection is controlled but we are fighting an invisible enemy and it's very hard to establish where you got that virus The Nevada Resort Association is just protecting the interest of the business and of course the city because they are the city's bread and butter, many complaints will follow if they are not going to do this.

I mean, is there anyone even not scared of lawsuits. I don't know much about how small businesses here have opened up, sanitized and the like their business, but really, I think both parties are at fault here. I mean, why would you even go to a Casino with how the world is right now? As for the casino side, they obviously failed to do health regulations properly. Also, you can't blame small Casinos from wanting to open with your argument of opening up an online business. At least, in physical casinos, they have some customers from their neighbors, but online ones? The competition there is intense and unless you can advertise well, a newly released online Casino would not go noticed.

PLUS, if you were to blame Casinos as the cause of someone being infected and file lawsuits at them, might as well do it everywhere, like marketplaces, stores, etc. The argument that those sell daily needs while casinos don't seem pretty stupid as well since no one really forced you to go to Casinos after all.

Of course reopening casinos in a pandemic situation like now must follow government regulations. If the casinos are proven to be violated
health protocols that have been established by the government must be willing to close these casinos. Because the COVID-19 pandemic is
not possible underestimated. So there's no need to be scared of lawsuits, that's the risk that all casinos have to face today.

We don't know if they have that or not because I think they will not release to the public, and they have, they will solve it without telling people. It is right that people don't have to go to the casino because the risk will be there, and even if they want to go to the public area, they will know that the risk will also be there.

The government's guidelines must be followed if they want to help reduce the infection, and no matter if their members don't obey the rule, they need to act decisively because the casino wants to protect the other members.


I think the casino will not try to break the government's protocols because if they try it, they will lose the opportunity to make money. As long as they follow everything, it will be okay for the casino, and they will not get a lawsuit from people.

Las Vegas Casinos should be ready to this kind of problems because they have decided to open even if the virus infections are keep on increasing. In the
first place, their action is a bad move if we will be the one to decide but we didn't know what the casino owners are thinking.

Either the casino owners already know that this kind of problem will likely to occur and they still continue in opening or either they didn't know that this
kind of problem will likely to happen. Small business casinos should shut down their operations if they are afraid about the Lawsuits because it is not that easy
to control all the customers that will come to your casinos and they can just open once the vaccine will be there already.

I guess they know that but they do not want false accusations that their place is where they contacted the virus that's million dollars worth of lawsuits imagine if thousands of people will charge these casinos there will be no casinos that will operate even if the pandemic is gone because of bankruptcy.

That's what I meant, but it's absurd to threaten casinos with a lawsuit because of disease they have no control in.

A lot of countries already managed to pin point the location of a contamination source. It might not be very difficult to prove that a certain place contaminated it's users.

The virus is too fast to spread without us noticing where we can possibly get it, as long as the casinos or any establishments able to passed the standards set by the government in implementing the protocols for anti covid operation clean up, disinfection and social distancing, businesses, casinos were free from any  issues that may come due to covid. So if  we're responsible enough we would only play via online instead of going out.

If the government allowed businesses and casinos to open now, there are also protocols that need to follow. And even if it's hard to know where the virus came from, if the casino shows that they are not following the protocols imposed by the government, their business can also be in danger. Even if they started to operate again, they are obliged to follow the rules.

In my country, when people upload a picture showing the lack of social distancing and such in an establishment, the business can get a warning and fine from the authorities, so I think it's the same that's why small casino operators are afraid that they might get a lawsuit. But if they're following the protocols, they should not be afraid of it.

I think thaybt would be really hard.

I mean it is said that it is airborne-in-a-way so people couldn't really prove if they got the virus in a certain casino or maybe when they are going home. There are a lot of people they meet and talk to, there are also those aymptotic cases which might be the reason they are contaminated.

I never thought about this view point, anyone visiting these casino could file a lawsuit if they get infected and the situation we are undergoing is conducive to these situation as many are loosing their jobs and it is a possibility that someone could take that as an opportunity. Knowing these situation the casino owners will be taking full precaution while operating under these circumstances and the entire building will be surrounded by closed circuit camera as proof, so there is nothing much to worry if they are taking the precautions .

Of course, the gambling casino can be scan for potential virus and if eventually found that any of these gamblers where effected in the casinos, then the lawsuit will be establish. Dangerous spots around certain areas are well known to the agency responsible as hot spot for the virus, and if the gambling casino areas are verify to be dangerous zones for this virus then there will surely be a lawsuit against these Las Vegas gambling casinos.

If due protocols where observed before now there won't be any reason to be scared of any gambler initiating lawsuit against them. Humans lives matters.

They may be desperate to work since it is realy hard without a job right now but I guess they should be really responsible since this is one of the conditions for them to operate, they should really follow the protocols. Another thing is that we can say that both parties can be blamed since this is expected if you will be gambling in a casino.

They should have known this kind of problem will be coming right after someone is lost and find some holes on their place. They know problem will occur since we are not yet fully safe with our current situation but they still choose to resume their services. what's the reason for it? I guess they're just simply thinking about money loss not the safety of the people. Now they're gonna face some huge loss if the authority get some solid evidences that they're not doing the right job to keep the players safe.

   You are right Fortunecrypto, I don't think that someone can win in any court as well. How can they prove where they got sick
when virus is everywhere around!? And nobody is forcing people to go to crowded places like casinos can be, or any other place.
They choose to go somewhere so if they get sick they can't blame anyone for that!

Well yeah, it is somewhat ridiculous though  ;D, filing a case on a casino just because you think you caught the virus there? Damn. But, tbh it won't be a problem if the facility is really guilty of a given case. So, although it is quite tough to prove that a certain guy caught the virus in such place, conclusions can be drawn upon, if the casino would be proven guilty of; lacks of sanitation, or whatever protocols on handling their customers, the same thing with their facilities. Then so, necessary legal action should be charged against them  ;).

Lawyers can do wonderful things. They can even win a case just when someone accidentally slipped within the vicinity of a company and then file a personal injury case all because someone threw a banana peel there that cause the accident.

With the help of forensics, I think they can put the person in the casino table by relating the strand of covid virus that exists in las vegas casino and the strand within the blood of the infected person LOL This is just an example.

If they are not certain that they can follow protocols for the health protection of their clients, they might as well considering to wait till the Vaccine from China is distributed.

How can you sue a place where you went knowing there's a virus flying around? It doesn't matter if the environment was sanitized or not it's up to you to stay clean and not lick your fingers after you've touched a table.

If they were to sue them no court should rule against the casinos because there's now ay to prove these people did not get infected walking there or going back home from the casino. TThey would have to take a test before going to a casino and coming out and have a number of witnesses who would testify that they weren't sick before entering.

I am sure the casino will not let people get infect of the virus, and they will do everything to prevent because that is related to their reputations among the other casino. Before people can enter the casino, they need to pass the physical check in the front door of the casino, and only people who healthy and clean can enter the casino. People can not be filing a case on a casino if the casino can follow the protocols, and they work hard to make their place clean, so people need to have something that can prove them clean and healthy.

That is true, most casinos would do their best to be able to operate and I doubt they can even start operating without passing a certain standard in regards to safety protocol for disinfecting and assuring social distancing in their casinos.

Here in our country, once a new case arises travel history and contact tracing is done and establishments are closed down for sanitizing once an individual was traced in a certain establishment.

If we talk about travel history in here, and I see that the number of people who get infected increases. But I don't know who the carrier because the traveler came from many countries and cities, so I think one or more of them can pass the physical checking in the destination city. But I see that in all places, whether in public or another place, the management or officers still warn people not to close each other and have distance between them. It seems they start to strict with their rule because the big infection can come anytime.

there are several transmissions for this virus so one way or another, we are really not so safe from this virus even if we strictly follow health protocols.

 https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf

symptomatic transmission
pre-symptomatic
asymptomatic

Ofcourse.
Such accusation should be expected. That's why it's important to try as much as possible to protect others, not just yourself.
The good casinos could even have camera installed after following all the necessary safety measures. I would even suggest they include best safety measures possible to have good evidences against potential false accusers

No way that bearing false information to others will beat the truth. It is a rare case that someone will be fooling around with the casino. Usually casino are doing safety measure because they themselves conduct the study when they build the casino. All possible worst situation in the casino are already been had some answers and how to deal it. Like having or installing those safety measures being mention above.

Yet, there are too many abusive casino establishment that are protected and bypass protocols from the authority. Well, there are always time for them and maybe not now.

   Rosilito even if they catch a virus in casino, will they be able to prove that? Maybe they got in taxi while they were going there, or plane,
virus shows in your body only after some time, you don't get sick immediately! Can anyone of us remember what we were doing for the
past two weeks? With how many people we had contact, and where we went? How can we point our exact place where we got sick?
   Michelle I understand you, but we talk about virus here, there's no ideal protection. Maybe in full quarantine, to not get anywhere,
but casino is the place where many people work, and many others are going in and out, you can't have full protection in that place and
gamblers should be aware of that.

camera's and cctv cant detect virus and liers but they are useful for those who want to commit other crimes like stealing . we are still on the pandemic and accusers will accuse related to it  . even if you protect people ln your casino but the accusers are from outside what can they do ? and there are people that you already protected or care of but they will still be against you . we dont want that to happen so if im the owner ill choose to close and try to create online version for a while

The US court system is a joke. The casinos are not forcing anyone to do gambling. Whomever goes there, is going on his/her own free will. At this point, how can they claim that the casinos are responsible for the infection (in case they get infected)? Hard-working businesses are at the receiving end of this and a perfect example is the case of the Portland bakers (who were forced to close down their business). In case of the casinos, they are mostly owned by the billionaires and have quality legal support available. But still, this is not the way to go.

Maybe they think that online casino is not worth it that's why they don't make one and they continue to reopen their physical casinos.

If I were the owner, I will think that making online casino is another expense and my asset such as physical casino will become useless, maybe their mindset will think of this: "Why would I open an online casino if I can open my traditional casino?" And now they are scared of lawsuits. They need to deal with the precautionary measure and protocols if they want to reopen.

Once they violate a single rules and regulations, and if there is a single person who is reported positive in Covid-19 that came to their casino, definitely they will close immidiately.

That is all true but on the other hand we also go to shops, cinemas or beauty salons by our own free will, no one is forcing us. However, all of them need to ensure all available measures to protect people's health. I agree there is no ground for lawsuit unless people who get infected can prove that they got infected in exactly defined casino that hasn't respected all prescribed measures. And that is not very likely to happen.

Only possible to happened once the casino has been proven not following the government protocols. It's hard to prove though as there
are lots of potential places that the person who's accusing the house might be infected first.

It's an open argument and only the court who can prove what will be the verdict for this case.

It would be a bit long of a process yet there would be lots of factors to consider or shall we say its a debatable thing yet we know on how virus do spread and also there are people who doesnt show any symptoms
no matter how strict they are in implementing health protocols then it cant really be stopped for someone whom infected to go inside the premises of the casino.

It can be hardly stopped and theres should be at least some consideration into this manner rather than directly making up some Lawsuits.Lots of holes on where this virus do came from
and would they really be that serious on tracing it out.? :D

That three things will be hard to find out unless there is a complete check by the hospital. And if we are in the public area, and one of many people have that one of the three things, we might get infected too. We can do by carefully having body contact with other people in the same place, although that is not guaranteed, at least, we can do prevention

If that so, we don't have to go out of our home because if we can not protect ourselves, we can get an infection. People needed to take care of themselves in the public area by always following the protocols, always carrying hand sanitizer, washing our hands, and wearing a mask. Even the virus is out there, we don't have to be paranoia and too afraid to go out because our mind will always think that. Once your mind thinks about that, that will make you afraid to socialize in the new normal.

They have to protect themselves and their business. Can't blame them and we can say that they shouldn't been open instead of asking the law makers to create a law that will protect them.

Being them as business owners, if you're making big bucks, you'll do everything just to keep your operations continue. And on their end, they want to clean themselves if ever there will be infection that happens on their business premises.

Taking into account that most casinos already have a bunch of cameras already installed on their buildings it will not be that difficult for them to prove in a court of law that a person making a false accusation is lying about certain aspects of their story and damage their credibility that way in order to come on top in the case of that kind of allegation, to me it seems that they just want to be open and have no consequences in the case they do not follow the guidelines and that is not acceptable.

Every business is contributing towards a country's revenue generation so for both end it should be convenient or else the business will be in loss.Well it is important for the casinos to ensure their customers safety but also government should give enough funding to make this happen.

The risk from both sides, government allows business to facilitate but the owners
needs to ensure to follow proper protocols.

Business owners will do everything to make sure  that they will be allowed to continue
even there's pandemic but agree to your statement government's support is very needed
for those business to survive working along with this pandemic virus.

I am thinking how will they do that.

Trace every place that individuals went through the day or the other? With a lot of things happening right now, isn't that a waste of time? Either way, he/she wouldn't be getting the virus if she is in his/her house and not going to these places where the virus would obviously there lying dormant. They wanted to play in these casinos, obviously, they are risking themselves in getting the virus. This is also their fault.

Ideally stimulus funding (which as per my understanding amounts to $1.2 trillion) should be distributed equally among all the business. But in tough situations, certain sectors such as gambling and casinos may receive a lower share than what they deserve. I am just saying that they should not hope for much support from the government. The owners should take care of their business without much outside support.

This may be challenging times for physical casinos but before this pandemic happened, they were earning huge amount of money so more than likely they still have savings on the side to sustain their business. And I don't think the government will push thru lawsuits on them, but will only give warning. Right now, we can't afford to lose more businesses that are giving life to the economy. As much as possible, you need to be considerate with the situation.

They are taking care of their customers safety. What they don't like is they will be blamed if a transmission happens inside their business premises. That's why they're asking for some shield from the law through their suggestion.

They don't want trouble because they will be pointed out as the source of the transmission because of where it happened. It's no brain that they are contributing to a country or local's place revenue.

Even if pandemic is gone, and even if they(land-based casinos) somehow survived, they will not be operating the way they used to before the pandemic. All public places won't. COVID-19 has shown us that we should always be prepared to prevent a spread of a virus, corona or some other thing, that can emerge in the future. Public places will be designed to maximize social distancing, and hand sanitizers will be present all over the place.

Yes that's correct they have enough money, we all know that casinos earn a lot from its player, they have so many ways to provide for their business and employees and also they are paying high taxes, also they can buy many protective materials so the virus cannot be contaminated in the area nor affects many people in that casino. Also why they afraid of lawsuits if they  have the approval of the govt?

Ofcourse, it probably rarely happens. But it's possible to pay lots of people to make false accusation against the innocent. So, the casinos have to factor this in and put the right things in place to help them with proofs when such thing happens. If you do what is right and can defend yourself, they will hardly win fairly in court.

I can't say I'm surprised to read this thread given the lack of knowledge being made in the "Las Vegas Casinos are open" thread.  As long as the Casinos can demonstrate they were following State Legislature, or Federal Government legislation concerning social distancing, hand hygiene and face mask wearing, then the Casino's themselves will have a defense that they were following the mandated guidelines.

Yes, basically casinos will not to be blame on this matter,

As long as they implement and follow the health protocols inside the casino, then they don't have anything to worry about. Since there are so many ways to provide an evidence that they always continue to follow guidelines and they do not disobey it.

I think it will be hassle on their part to face all the possible lawsuits against them even if they are confident they would win.
That's why they ask for that kind of protection so they don't need to waste their time facing a lot of lawsuits as expected, if the government will provide that to them, the better, but hopefully they would also not abuse that by just easing their protocol because of such guaranteed protection.

I don't understand that since they can operate and at the same time, adjust in this pandemic and ensure the customer's safety without the help of the government. What will they fund? Alcohols? I don't think they needed funding to that, if the government will be helping anyone, it will not be the businesses but the workers that are so affected by these pandemic. They are risking themselves to earn some money during these hard times.

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

The Casino's could argue that the person making the complaint acted in a reckless manor while on the premises.  They'd probably utilise video evidence to demonstrate the behavior (e.g. drunk and disorderly / not wearing face mask properly etc in-spite being asked to do so) as a means of defending themselves, but then again how does a complainant *prove* they contracted Covid-19/STD's/Flu while on Casino premises?

But the big question is how long can the casinos survive if they are closed? And if the casinos keep being closed for months, will the government step in to save the casinos? Also the employee are suffering.

In my opinion there should be a trade off between saving the casinos and not allowing big gatherings. Casinos could be allowed with a very limited number of visitors. It seems crazy that casinos are closed but then all the people just gather at different places and don't follow safety rules.

The High Rollers are usually in a different section to the regular walk-in off of the street kind of punters (and there's also far fewer of them at any one time).  Casino's that are savy will no doubt be targeting those high-end rollers ensuring they are well looked after.  It'd be interesting to work out if it's the high-end rollers that carry the Casino's, or, the regular Joe's.

This is what the casinos expect, the warning with the time period to clear the issue is perfectly fine but pointing them as bad and ask them to shut down will impact on the fellow workers and also to the government if the numbers are in huge.

Most likely to be the common scenario here and its no brainer that they would always look after for high rollers since spots are for limited number of people then they wont really just easily let those small time gamers
on taking the seats which they would really prefer into those vip's as we called.

When it comes to virus spread then we cant really guarantee on whose the one do carry off, neither one of those average joes or the vip ones.This is why its really hard to point out fingers.

For lawsuits then there should be some consideration.

Perhaps, but at the end of the day it would be almost impossible to say for certain where a person was to have contracted Covid unless contact tracing was undertaken at the time (which I can't recall having heard the American's have taken seriously in combating the pandemic)

Well, it depends on the kind of "protection" they are seeking from the government. Is it Protection from unjust "lawsuit"/penalty or protection from just lawsuit/penalty?
I don't see why the masses should be denied the just ones though

They are not afraid of lawsuits. What they are afraid of is that they will be the place where the infection or transmission of the virus will happen. They are trying to avoid it so that there won't be charged for being the place where it happened.

It's their choice to reason out if something like occurs on their jurisdiction but as a precautionary measure and being a business following protocols of their local government, that's the best that they can to protect their establishment.

Indeed, it would be very hard to prove it, but what such people, people who try to sue big companies, including big casinos, count on is a settlement, before court action begins. In many cases it is cheaper for a company to pay the "injured party", say $10k, instead of going to court. Some people try to take advantage of this situation. Not the most honorable people, if you ask me.

Of course they will be scared since the spread of Corona Virus can spread through the physical interactions with the people working in those casinos even the available equipment that they will be using inside. The only thing that they can do is make sure that their employees are healthy and complete with precautions to prevent the infection from spreading within the workplace.

Let's be realistic here, America has the highest covid cases in the world and I don't think a simple social distancing will work at the casino besides they are going physically contact basically everything on the casino which they might get the virus. If there are going to rules it should be strict as hell coz America is the most hit country, people would not know if the virus is just on their bags, towels, etc. and is just waiting for the hosts. Casinos should consider the fact that the virus is contagious.

If they wanted come back into operation at the first place, they must have set strict rules and regulations regarding the implementation of health protocols to prevent the further spread of virus knowing that among the other countries in the world, US is the outstanding country to be on the top spot of having the most number of cases when it comes to covid-19 infected individuals. Now, if those casinos have failed to conduct and observe certain health protocols that have come up into creating more cases to arise, then they must not be spared and bound into exception from the lawsuits of the government because at the first place they must not have opened up and came back into operation because such idea is still not advisable at this time of pandemic.

But since they wanted to be back for them to be able to work and earn a living, they must have implemented strict health protocols to avoid getting shutdown for not following such rules and become a big reason for the further spread of infection. If casinos are really afraid from lawsuits they must have obeyed and followed health protocols to keep their workers and players safe all the time. But if I would be a gambler to play, I would rather be playing at online casinos for it is the safest and most convenient platform at this time of pandemic rather than risking my life going outside to play on a casino establishment which is impractical at times like this.

I don't think that is always right, it is just that we can't accept that we also have the mistakes. Like, for example there are a lot of people that are forcing themselves to gamble in these casinos instead of doing it online which makes themselves close to the virus and being contaminated and then they will be blaming these casinos for that. They aren't earning enough but still, they are earning and that means a lot of people are still going in there.

As long as they can pay their employees and can pay taxes to the government, I think that's already enough.
The risk is almost anywhere especially in places where people gathers but that's it, we have to live with the virus on our daily living, because if we stop, we might die in hunger,  that's what the government thinking on why they allow casinos to operate despite of the pandemic, we should not question that.

Well, I hope that we doesn't live with it since if we does there will be a lot of people who will die from it. It may be invisible and just anywhere we can't see but that is why we should be always careful. We should protect ourselves and just go outside if we really needed it. These casinos needed profit, these workers needed money and we people need to take care. We can't do anything to help other than keeping ourselves from the virus.

Yeah, justice will be serve for those who really have the money. The lawyers are also one of the dirtiest job for some of them making conversation on the lawsuit being filed against their client and whichever pays well definitely will also share it to the lawyer against the client in exchange to let the case be defeated by them. This is all about money and even the judge could also the same to the lawyer if the client wanted the judge decision to get influenced by their money. This always happen on small lowest trial court probably if it is a republic is the municipal trial court.

yes, and filing a lawsuit would be expensive if one does not have the concrete basis then it will just a waste of time and resources. This is why some police officers that are also responsible in filing a case against civil criminals are securing evidences first before they can proceed with the filing of the lawsuit. Usually police officers will do entrapment to the suspected violators against the law.

I think that is the risk they've taken.

If they chose to contaminate the virus, I think they would be focussing on having strict lockdowns but they should balance the two that is why they are maintaining the economy in a certain point but that is still affected by the pandemic going on. This is the best option they have, it is a risk but it is a risk they need to take. These lawsuits would be useless since these casinos can defend themselves with a lot of ways for them to get the virus.

Ofcourse. I think in things like this, you get everyone together and  agree on how to keep each other safe in crisis while businesses operate. I guess there is no easy way to do this than through good media or even going to the authorities/governments with few people who should represent every member of the city/town/community where the businesses are hosted. Not a good idea to be selfcentered in your community especially during crisis.

Well, it is a solution but that is very hard to attain. We already know that people would just do anything they wanted to and even though people wanted to be free from this pandemic, there would be those people continuing to not follow those protocols. Going wherever they wanted, whenever they wanted like they own the place. Then it would just end up in these lawsuits like these places are to be blamed while it is half fault of these people.

If we want to help these people in the casino, we have to go out.

Me, I am not doing that as I gamble at home, but there are people who really are going into the casino to play, casino is already part of their life so they can afford to take the risk. Of course, we can still protect ourselves and that is following measures to minimize the risk of getting infected. We have to understand that there's always a risk, measures are only done to minimize that risk and both the casinos employees are gamblers are risking themselves.

Gamblers go out and play in a casino but it's not their purpose, it's not helping the casino to generate income but to make money.

But,  we will lose even if we don't want to experience it, that's because they have the edge and sometimes we are so unrealistic.
Who would want to get entertain outside when the risk is very high, of course this people are aiming for money.

But that also leads to more cases, right? This leads to that loop where people should not go outside and keep theirselves from going to these casinos and then end up with these people needing the money, right? We all know that these casinos are said to earn less right now, meaning there are only a small percentage of people going in these casinos, maybe some already have the virus, that's why. Life is really hard in these pandemic, instead of these lawsuits, if they really wanted to go to these casinos, they should accept the risks.

This is the reality even there is pandemic people still go out to make money. Some are being addicted that cannot even passed the day without go and playing in a casino. The risks is high but people do not believe in this pandemic happening even in the Us some do not bother to wear mask.

Balancing the economy to the detriment of citizens shouldn't be involve in this regard as it has to do with the protection of lives. The sole responsibility of a good government is to ensure the citizens lives are kept to their best of their ability. In this case, allowing the casinos to go fully into operations without the consideration of the citizens is uncalled for. This virus is found where crowded gathering is and we'll know how physical casinos are always crowded.

In conclusion, saving the economy during this time through allowing the casinos go fully into operations shouldn't be the first priority of the government.

really ? thats suck while we, we buy mask , face shields and everything just to follow what are told to us  .

 no matter how we protect our self to slow the spread , we cant stop violators  . going out to play gambling is allowed now but they should wear protection atleast because its not only for thier own good but its for the community as a whole   . gambling owners already help us in a way that they open on this kind of situation , its our turn to help in return by following simple instructions   .

US is the country that has been experiencing the increased dear compared to rest of the countries. They've taken more preventive measures as well as increased the testing, but in between they started to concentrate on the economy. Based on that more relaxation were provided on each and everything, and this is the reason for the increased death. These days online casinos give the real-time experience of being in a casino. Gamblers can make use of it during this pandemic.

Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits ?? any company big or small are scared of lawsuits this means that they have to spend for their lawyers and take time to attend hearings or their representative and it might harm their reputation, but I don't think any case against  casinos about COVID infection will stand it's hard to prove where one gets a COVID, victims will have to prove their case.

The only ones that could somehow demonstrate that they got infected in the casino will be the persons that stay in some sort of lockdown but that only go out to play at the casino, however I really think that the subset of people that will do something like that is incredibly low, after all if you're willing to go to the casino to get some fun most likely you're willing to also visit a bar, your family, buy groceries, exercise in a public park and an endless list of activities that you can do outside and as such it will be impossible to demonstrate that you got infected at the casino.

That is so true.

People could get it from a lot of places that leads us to a conclusion that I think this is not them suing the casinos because they really wanted to but I guess in this pandemic when people get contaminated by the virus, they will be blaming someone and that leads to suing casinos and even people. Usually this is all blame game that's happening.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/memory-medic/202004/the-covid-19-blame-game

All this is correct and in the end the individual who files the lawsuit may end up on the losing side. But it is going to take a lot of time and effort in fighting these frivolous lawsuits. And the worst part is that the American courts have a habit of handing down extremely heavy fines for the silliest of the reasons. There is widespread misuse of the judicial system, not just in the US but across the globe.

Also, there's chances that the one who file this lawsuit are only waiting for settlement.

Both sides needs to spend time and money while the procedure is moving, there's a chance that both lawyers
will bring their best offers in order to end it up much quicker, most of the time money speak louder than anything.

They want to be exempted if there will be a complaint against them.

They can contact trace and if they have their own method, they'll disclose it to the authorities and show that they have no cause. But the authorities can still find them cause if ever the infected person insists that their casino is the only establishment he/she has visited.

As long as Las Vegas casinos do not violate the regulations set by the government, there is no need to fear lawsuits.
If proven guilty and violating the established rules, of course, Las Vegas casinos must accept the consequences.
Therefore, always obey the applicable regulations if don't want to be subject to legal prosecution.

I don't even know how will they prove these casinos to be the reason these people got the virus. It might be their fault why they are even have the virus. I guess this really falls into the psychology as @Janation said, if they got the virus they tend to blame someone or anyone. As far as I know these casinos are following the protocols, it is the people that are not actually following it.

so far the gambling places that have been visited like the ones circulating in Las Vegas are still very few people who use their masks don't think about the virus, they only think about the profits that can be obtained from gambling venues, maybe the best solution is to provide some distance for everyone from the entrance to the gaming table.

The Coronavirus is affecting workers in Las Vegas and the lawsuits are being introduced because they are supported due the workers are not receiving the security measures for the Covid19.

In the report, it mentions two lawsuits filed by the Culinary Union against MGM Resorts and Caesars Entertainment.

Geoconda Argüello-Kline, Secretary-Treasurer for the Culinary Union, said:
"Workers who make this city run deserve to be protected and they are at risk everyday."


Coronavirus it is not a game, it is underestimated because it is silent and because in some cases the symptoms are mild.
I also see that it is incredible that the managers of these emblematic places in Las Vegas did not act with due protocol to protect their workers from Covid19.

In my country the workers are protected by face masks, eyes, head, gloves. When customers enter the establishment, they measure their temperature, and spray their hands with actibacterial gel, in some places they spray their hands with vinegar. I heard recently that those who do not smell the vinegar are suspected of Covid19.

In summary, the Lawsuits in this case are fair and it is time to react. Covid19 is lethal and the entities to whom it is responsible must safeguard the lives of their workers in these difficult times.
 
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/culinary-drops-two-lawsuits-against-mgm-leaves-caesars-lawsuit-in-place/ (https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/culinary-drops-two-lawsuits-against-mgm-leaves-caesars-lawsuit-in-place/)

If the casino can strict to the people who want to come to their place, the casino can defend themselves in the lawsuits because they can prove that they always follow the protocols. When someone blames the casino that is the place of virus spreading, the casino will give the proof to the law, and the jury will see which is right and wrong.

If we see what happens now in many places, people tend to don't care about the protocols. Many of them are not wearing a mask in the public area. The police and related organizations from the government always remind them to follow the rules and the protocols, and if they still break, people will get fine.

Filing lawsuits claiming discrimination and risk has become a very big business in the United States. The unethical lawyers encourage their clients to file lawsuits for the silliest of the reasons and then the judges will impose disproportionate penalties on the accused. If the business is small or medium-sized, then most probably it will go bankrupt. In case of the casinos, they have access to quality resources and therefore the other side may find going tough.

Still, they are exchanging cards, chips which are a way for people to transfer the virus. It is really hard to implement the protocols especially to these kinds of places. I think the best thing they could do is just follow the protocols the casino is implementing.



Places here in our province are so strict the reason why the people are really following the procedures, they are even requiring now people to wear face shields. Strict protocols might decrease their increasing cases, though this is still a casino, bars are available here so there are a lot of people influenced by alcohol, not following rules is really inevitable at these places.

I see that not many people are using face shields in the public area or local stores, but almost all of them wear a mask. But I think it would be good if the casino has rules that will ask the visitor to use a face shield besides wearing a mask. That can prevent the virus from spreading in the casino, and people should use those two things before they play gambling in the casino.

If strict health protocols can be applied in all places and people have the awareness to protect themselves, that can decrease the number of infected people. People will always care about their health while they are in the public area.

Face shields are ok and highly recommended but that doesn't guaranty that you are 100% safe because we are against an invisible enemy so this kind of case in court will not have a chance because people will have a hard time proving where they contacted the virus, is it really in the casinos or when they are travelling or a store, there is no exact place to pin point.

I guess that is why it falls to the hands of the people to keep theirselves safe.

Face masks and Face shields can protect us from being contaminated, wearing those could protect us but we can't say that these casinos are wanting to take those off for them to sue these casinos, right? It falls all over to that people is he/she disinfect his/her face shield and face mask when they go home. It is not the fault of the casinos if we will be basing that to what you've said.

This is also another possibility after all the United States is home of the most lawsuits around the world, so it's possible that a person that gets infected with coronavirus is not really trying to prove that he got the virus on the establishment of the casino, rather they are trying to obtain some money out of it and the casinos could decide that it is on their best interests to just try to settle with that person out of court, but if enough people begin to do this then they may have no option but to try to prove their innocence in a court of law.

This is true and at this point of time only thing is that we can do is to take extra precaution and try to maintain the distance wherever possible. Now one must be extra careful as lockdown has started to open so people are everywhere and thus the chances of spreading the virus has increased more than before.

Face shiels aren't really 100% protection for the COVID-19. In some studies, if a person is not very organized on his/her things, getting contact with COVID from those shields is still possible.

Your safety doesn't depend on what you wear, it depends on how you manage yourselves on things that can be easily contacted by the virus.
Try to read more here: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200806-are-face-shields-effective-against-covid-19

If you going out especially if you'll be proceeding to closed place like gambling casinos bringing your protected gear is a must,

As you never know who's the carrier from many people that you'll be meeting and interacting from places to places, as this lockdown
already been ended and people are now freely moving everywhere you need to protect yourself, no government can help you if you are
careless with yourself.

It does not protect 100%, but at least it could minimize the risk, otherwise, why would authorities requires us to wear this?

As long as you follow the protocol, I guess you'll not face any problem, but you know going in a casino, you meet different people that are strangers to you, of course the risk is high, so if you can't take that, better stay at home and don't get envy seeing other people going in a casino.

Even how strict a place on implementing these quarantine health protocols it would really be still hard for it to be stopped knowing that there are people who are
asymptomatic which can really possibly spread up the virus without noticing it.Scanners and alchohols wont really be enough for such measure this is why there
should be at least some consideration with casinos in regards to this situation since it cant really be stopped completely no matter how strict they are on implementing
rules.Casino or  business owners would really took the risk of these lawsuits as long they would able to operate because it isnt really that sustainable if it
would last for too long.

Yups because why need to admit that the virus is acquired thru casino houses when they can just deny having it?
there are many cases that infected still hanging around because they have no symptoms but the problem is they can spread the virus without even noticing that they are carrying.
Casino's need money now thats why surely they are following every small details assigned by the government and they will never violate it for them not to received law suit or being force to locked again.

Casinos count as a high risk place because a lot of people gather together indoors. But if we could increase the social distancing, make everyone wash their hands and use face masks, while get better air filters in casino. Similiar filters the airplanes are using - there are also a lot of people even closer together than in casino. We should be able to have atleaset some games open in the casinos. I think the risks of casinos to cover any lawesuits on their own is too big. We should help out the casinos in these difficult times. How could we even confirm a 100% that you got infected in the casinos, and not on the way to the casinos, in the plane for example? Or at a restaurant close by?

Right now authorities don't know jack shit, nor do they care. All they do is trying to keep people from freaking out. I am not saying masks are useless but people think they are invincible as long as they wear a mask which is funny.

Of course this virus does not only infect through respiration, but there are many media that can spread this virus to other human. Indeed, the mask used are not fully protected from viruse but mask also have many function to prevent spread from the air.

Unfortunately, many people think that they will avoid the virus just by wearing a mask, even though they do not comply with other health protocol which are also the reason many people are infected with the virus such as visiting physical casinos without complying with existing protocol, shaking hand with many people without washing their hand and so on.

The casino doesn't want to lose the opportunity to re-opening its business again, so they will do everything that the government suggests without any excuse. Perhaps, the casino will deny some people who want to enter their place if they don't follow the rules because the casino has a responsibility to take care of all people. If the casino can have persisted in these situations, I am sure that the casino will get their members back to them. While they follow the rule and invite more people to comes, they can recover their loss a few months ago. And soon, they will rise again as before.

You can get the virus no matter how well protected you are especially if you do dumb stuff.

What I was trying say is, when you wear a mask you reduce your risks of getting the virus but that's if you only get out of home to do your groceries. If you wear a mask and go to a rock concert or join protests where people are way too close to each other, your mask won't protect you from your own stupidity.

Yes, you are right and doing stupid thing like that will only bring disaster in the end. I think everyone should be aware of this threat and they should look after themselve as best they can. Visiting a physical casino will also increase the risk of infection as we never know who is infected around us if they are not showing symptom.

I just don't understand how you can prove in court that a person contracted the disease in a particular casino?
You can hold casinos accountable if they do not comply with the required health laws. However, these are different things in my opinion.

Yeah, at the end of that answers we are still looping at that statement that these customers can be contaminated at other places too, doesn't mean they are working there, means that they are contaminated at that area. They might get that virus going home while commuting or maybe from a grocery or store they bought something.

There are a lot of things to consider that is why this is really hard to investigate.

Every places that do generate crowd will always be a high risk and you wouldnt know on which one is infected thats why it can really make you paranoid even with the smallest possibility of transmission.
Using up filters same on airplanes is considerable but it can totally stop? No. When theres airconditioner then circulation of droplets will be really just circulating the area and this isnt just limited via touch.
In talks or regarding on where a certain individual did able to get the infection then there would be still lots of places to consider on not just the casino and this is the hardest part of tracking it out.

Asymptomatic cases are really scary knowing that they will never show us symptoms of the virus.

My father was tested positive but he was really surprised because he is not feeling most of the symptoms of the virus, it might be because of the immunity these people have from the virus. A lot of asymptomatic cases are also found in the US making it harder to track those people carrying the virus making these lawsuits really a pain in the head to investigate.

Somewhere I read that the proportion of asymptomatic cases can be as much as 95% of all the cases. Most of them are not reported, as the testing is not done. And scientists are divided on whether asymptomatic individuals can spread the disease or not. COVID is spread through micro-droplets, which are released when an infected person coughs or sneezes. Asymptomatic individuals rarely do this. So they may not be contagious, right?

Don't know when the situation will be normal and everyone can visit the casino easily and without any fear. Till then, we should take necessary precautions and do not go the physical casino. Our health is more important than playing at any casino and get infected with coronavirus. I will continue playing online gambling until the world is clear from covid19 threat.

There are researches saying that asymptomatic Covid patients have the same amount of virus in their body as those symptomatic cases. I don't know how they transmit the virus but some studies showed they can. Maybe when they spit, when they eat since the virus can stay in the utensils they used which also means it is really low percentage of being contagious.