Las Vegas Casinos Scared of Lawsuits

[Questat]

I can't say I'm surprised to read this thread given the lack of knowledge being made in the "Las Vegas Casinos are open" thread.  As long as the Casinos can demonstrate they were following State Legislature, or Federal Government legislation concerning social distancing, hand hygiene and face mask wearing, then the Casino's themselves will have a defense that they were following the mandated guidelines.

Yes, basically casinos will not to be blame on this matter,

As long as they implement and follow the health protocols inside the casino, then they don't have anything to worry about. Since there are so many ways to provide an evidence that they always continue to follow guidelines and they do not disobey it.

I think it will be hassle on their part to face all the possible lawsuits against them even if they are confident they would win.
That's why they ask for that kind of protection so they don't need to waste their time facing a lot of lawsuits as expected, if the government will provide that to them, the better, but hopefully they would also not abuse that by just easing their protocol because of such guaranteed protection.

[FlightyPouch]

They have to protect themselves and their business. Can't blame them and we can say that they shouldn't been open instead of asking the law makers to create a law that will protect them.

Being them as business owners, if you're making big bucks, you'll do everything just to keep your operations continue. And on their end, they want to clean themselves if ever there will be infection that happens on their business premises.

Every business is contributing towards a country's revenue generation so for both end it should be convenient or else the business will be in loss.Well it is important for the casinos to ensure their customers safety but also government should give enough funding to make this happen.

I don't understand that since they can operate and at the same time, adjust in this pandemic and ensure the customer's safety without the help of the government. What will they fund? Alcohols? I don't think they needed funding to that, if the government will be helping anyone, it will not be the businesses but the workers that are so affected by these pandemic. They are risking themselves to earn some money during these hard times.

[cabron]

They have to protect themselves and their business. Can't blame them and we can say that they shouldn't been open instead of asking the law makers to create a law that will protect them.

Being them as business owners, if you're making big bucks, you'll do everything just to keep your operations continue. And on their end, they want to clean themselves if ever there will be infection that happens on their business premises.

Every business is contributing towards a country's revenue generation so for both end it should be convenient or else the business will be in loss.Well it is important for the casinos to ensure their customers safety but also government should give enough funding to make this happen.

I don't understand that since they can operate and at the same time, adjust in this pandemic and ensure the customer's safety without the help of the government. What will they fund? Alcohols? I don't think they needed funding to that, if the government will be helping anyone, it will not be the businesses but the workers that are so affected by these pandemic. They are risking themselves to earn some money during these hard times.

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

[Timelord2067]

The Casino's could argue that the person making the complaint acted in a reckless manor while on the premises.  They'd probably utilise video evidence to demonstrate the behavior (e.g. drunk and disorderly / not wearing face mask properly etc in-spite being asked to do so) as a means of defending themselves, but then again how does a complainant *prove* they contracted Covid-19/STD's/Flu while on Casino premises?

[Mauser]

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

But the big question is how long can the casinos survive if they are closed? And if the casinos keep being closed for months, will the government step in to save the casinos? Also the employee are suffering.

In my opinion there should be a trade off between saving the casinos and not allowing big gatherings. Casinos could be allowed with a very limited number of visitors. It seems crazy that casinos are closed but then all the people just gather at different places and don't follow safety rules.

[Timelord2067]

Casinos could be allowed with a very limited number of visitors. It seems crazy that casinos are closed but then all the people just gather at different places and don't follow safety rules.

The High Rollers are usually in a different section to the regular walk-in off of the street kind of punters (and there's also far fewer of them at any one time).  Casino's that are savy will no doubt be targeting those high-end rollers ensuring they are well looked after.  It'd be interesting to work out if it's the high-end rollers that carry the Casino's, or, the regular Joe's.

[semobo]

Every business is contributing towards a country's revenue generation so for both end it should be convenient or else the business will be in loss.Well it is important for the casinos to ensure their customers safety but also government should give enough funding to make this happen.

Ideally stimulus funding (which as per my understanding amounts to $1.2 trillion) should be distributed equally among all the business. But in tough situations, certain sectors such as gambling and casinos may receive a lower share than what they deserve. I am just saying that they should not hope for much support from the government. The owners should take care of their business without much outside support.

This may be challenging times for physical casinos but before this pandemic happened, they were earning huge amount of money so more than likely they still have savings on the side to sustain their business. And I don't think the government will push thru lawsuits on them, but will only give warning. Right now, we can't afford to lose more businesses that are giving life to the economy. As much as possible, you need to be considerate with the situation.

This is what the casinos expect, the warning with the time period to clear the issue is perfectly fine but pointing them as bad and ask them to shut down will impact on the fellow workers and also to the government if the numbers are in huge.

[carlfebz2]

Casinos could be allowed with a very limited number of visitors. It seems crazy that casinos are closed but then all the people just gather at different places and don't follow safety rules.

The High Rollers are usually in a different section to the regular walk-in off of the street kind of punters (and there's also far fewer of them at any one time).  Casino's that are savy will no doubt be targeting those high-end rollers ensuring they are well looked after.  It'd be interesting to work out if it's the high-end rollers that carry the Casino's, or, the regular Joe's.

Most likely to be the common scenario here and its no brainer that they would always look after for high rollers since spots are for limited number of people then they wont really just easily let those small time gamers
on taking the seats which they would really prefer into those vip's as we called.

When it comes to virus spread then we cant really guarantee on whose the one do carry off, neither one of those average joes or the vip ones.This is why its really hard to point out fingers.

For lawsuits then there should be some consideration.

[Timelord2067]

For lawsuits then there should be some consideration.

Perhaps, but at the end of the day it would be almost impossible to say for certain where a person was to have contracted Covid unless contact tracing was undertaken at the time (which I can't recall having heard the American's have taken seriously in combating the pandemic)

[Ucy]

I can't say I'm surprised to read this thread given the lack of knowledge being made in the "Las Vegas Casinos are open" thread.  As long as the Casinos can demonstrate they were following State Legislature, or Federal Government legislation concerning social distancing, hand hygiene and face mask wearing, then the Casino's themselves will have a defense that they were following the mandated guidelines.

Yes, basically casinos will not to be blame on this matter,

As long as they implement and follow the health protocols inside the casino, then they don't have anything to worry about. Since there are so many ways to provide an evidence that they always continue to follow guidelines and they do not disobey it.

I think it will be hassle on their part to face all the possible lawsuits against them even if they are confident they would win.
That's why they ask for that kind of protection so they don't need to waste their time facing a lot of lawsuits as expected, if the government will provide that to them, the better, but hopefully they would also not abuse that by just easing their protocol because of such guaranteed protection.

Well, it depends on the kind of "protection" they are seeking from the government. Is it Protection from unjust "lawsuit"/penalty or protection from just lawsuit/penalty?
I don't see why the masses should be denied the just ones though

[jossiel]

They have to protect themselves and their business. Can't blame them and we can say that they shouldn't been open instead of asking the law makers to create a law that will protect them.

Being them as business owners, if you're making big bucks, you'll do everything just to keep your operations continue. And on their end, they want to clean themselves if ever there will be infection that happens on their business premises.

Yes that's correct they have enough money, we all know that casinos earn a lot from its player, they have so many ways to provide for their business and employees and also they are paying high taxes, also they can buy many protective materials so the virus cannot be contaminated in the area nor affects many people in that casino. Also why they afraid of lawsuits if they  have the approval of the govt?

They are not afraid of lawsuits. What they are afraid of is that they will be the place where the infection or transmission of the virus will happen. They are trying to avoid it so that there won't be charged for being the place where it happened.

It's their choice to reason out if something like occurs on their jurisdiction but as a precautionary measure and being a business following protocols of their local government, that's the best that they can to protect their establishment.

[Betwrong]

The Casino's could argue that the person making the complaint acted in a reckless manor while on the premises.  They'd probably utilise video evidence to demonstrate the behavior (e.g. drunk and disorderly / not wearing face mask properly etc in-spite being asked to do so) as a means of defending themselves, but then again how does a complainant *prove* they contracted Covid-19/STD's/Flu while on Casino premises?

Indeed, it would be very hard to prove it, but what such people, people who try to sue big companies, including big casinos, count on is a settlement, before court action begins. In many cases it is cheaper for a company to pay the "injured party", say $10k, instead of going to court. Some people try to take advantage of this situation. Not the most honorable people, if you ask me.

[mezzaluna]

Since the casinos opened in the June , even though the cases of Corona virus were rising and it was deemed a bad idea by most , unfortunately the regulations did not go well.

Now the small business based casinos have urged the Government to spare them of Lawsuits that might cause their whole business to shut down.

Lawsuits like *I got infected here , there was no sanitization* and boom , you are in the news and finally the casino needs to be shut down.

Now I do think this will be very unlikely that Government will make an exception regarding this since time and again we have seen that people don't follow the rules themselves , most of them don't even know how to use the masks , what did the casinos expect ? This was bound to happen . That is the whole reason why online casinos and gambling sites are fluorishing during this time .

-If the Government does this, most casinos might get away with cleaning and sanitization problems , if they don't some casinos are bound to shut down sooner or later.

The Nevada Resort Association has urged Nevada's lawmakers and governor to pass legislation that protects casinos and small businesses from frivolous lawsuits

Other trade bodies and executives warn that small businesses are vulnerable to liabilities and that should be limited quickly to avoid further economic slump

The argument goes that it's nearly impossible to prove where an employee got infected and if a business is directly responsible

https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/las-vegas-casinos-ready-up-to-protect-from-coronavirus-lawsuits/

They shouldn't have opened up in the first place , they could have might as well invested in an online site during the time and they could even buy stakes in some online Gambling site and wait , since coronavirus is not going to go anywhere until and unless strict restrictions are going to be followed , which is better for the business in the long term

Of course they will be scared since the spread of Corona Virus can spread through the physical interactions with the people working in those casinos even the available equipment that they will be using inside. The only thing that they can do is make sure that their employees are healthy and complete with precautions to prevent the infection from spreading within the workplace.

[Twentyonepaylots]

I can't say I'm surprised to read this thread given the lack of knowledge being made in the "Las Vegas Casinos are open" thread.  As long as the Casinos can demonstrate they were following State Legislature, or Federal Government legislation concerning social distancing, hand hygiene and face mask wearing, then the Casino's themselves will have a defense that they were following the mandated guidelines.

Let's be realistic here, America has the highest covid cases in the world and I don't think a simple social distancing will work at the casino besides they are going physically contact basically everything on the casino which they might get the virus. If there are going to rules it should be strict as hell coz America is the most hit country, people would not know if the virus is just on their bags, towels, etc. and is just waiting for the hosts. Casinos should consider the fact that the virus is contagious.

[panganib999]

If they wanted come back into operation at the first place, they must have set strict rules and regulations regarding the implementation of health protocols to prevent the further spread of virus knowing that among the other countries in the world, US is the outstanding country to be on the top spot of having the most number of cases when it comes to covid-19 infected individuals. Now, if those casinos have failed to conduct and observe certain health protocols that have come up into creating more cases to arise, then they must not be spared and bound into exception from the lawsuits of the government because at the first place they must not have opened up and came back into operation because such idea is still not advisable at this time of pandemic.

But since they wanted to be back for them to be able to work and earn a living, they must have implemented strict health protocols to avoid getting shutdown for not following such rules and become a big reason for the further spread of infection. If casinos are really afraid from lawsuits they must have obeyed and followed health protocols to keep their workers and players safe all the time. But if I would be a gambler to play, I would rather be playing at online casinos for it is the safest and most convenient platform at this time of pandemic rather than risking my life going outside to play on a casino establishment which is impractical at times like this.

[FlightyPouch]

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

I don't think that is always right, it is just that we can't accept that we also have the mistakes. Like, for example there are a lot of people that are forcing themselves to gamble in these casinos instead of doing it online which makes themselves close to the virus and being contaminated and then they will be blaming these casinos for that. They aren't earning enough but still, they are earning and that means a lot of people are still going in there.

[Questat]

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

I don't think that is always right, it is just that we can't accept that we also have the mistakes. Like, for example there are a lot of people that are forcing themselves to gamble in these casinos instead of doing it online which makes themselves close to the virus and being contaminated and then they will be blaming these casinos for that. They aren't earning enough but still, they are earning and that means a lot of people are still going in there.

As long as they can pay their employees and can pay taxes to the government, I think that's already enough.
The risk is almost anywhere especially in places where people gathers but that's it, we have to live with the virus on our daily living, because if we stop, we might die in hunger,  that's what the government thinking on why they allow casinos to operate despite of the pandemic, we should not question that.

[FlightyPouch]

we have to live with the virus on our daily living, because if we stop, we might die in hunger,  that's what the government thinking on why they allow casinos to operate despite of the pandemic, we should not question that.

Well, I hope that we doesn't live with it since if we does there will be a lot of people who will die from it. It may be invisible and just anywhere we can't see but that is why we should be always careful. We should protect ourselves and just go outside if we really needed it. These casinos needed profit, these workers needed money and we people need to take care. We can't do anything to help other than keeping ourselves from the virus.

[erikoy]

Most of the people who oppose them to open are the ones who see the spread of the virus will truly be inevitable. One person holds a ship and then passed on to another is just a trail to follow. But the mayor just goes on to open because the businessmen are pressuring her.  Now these casinos still have the gall to suggest of sparing them from lawsuits. Its so good to be rich in this world, you can get away with just about anything when you have the money to control politics.

Yeah, justice will be serve for those who really have the money. The lawyers are also one of the dirtiest job for some of them making conversation on the lawsuit being filed against their client and whichever pays well definitely will also share it to the lawyer against the client in exchange to let the case be defeated by them. This is all about money and even the judge could also the same to the lawyer if the client wanted the judge decision to get influenced by their money. This always happen on small lowest trial court probably if it is a republic is the municipal trial court.

Having a lawsuit is different than actually win it. Anyone can blame anyone for anything. If anyone placed a lawsuit against me even without a reason, I'd be called for a response by the court. And it's not compulsory for me to answer but a simple written response would be enough for me to win the lawsuit if the claims are baseless. Similarly, I don't think anyone would be able to stop people from filing a lawsuit but they'd be difficult to prove if the casinos claimed they actually were doing as required.

yes, and filing a lawsuit would be expensive if one does not have the concrete basis then it will just a waste of time and resources. This is why some police officers that are also responsible in filing a case against civil criminals are securing evidences first before they can proceed with the filing of the lawsuit. Usually police officers will do entrapment to the suspected violators against the law.

[Janation]

Sadly, the government is always going ot be responsible. This is why it shouldn't be permitted to open while there is yet pandemic.

There was a news that the casinos in las vegas aren't earning though. People might not really be going to casinos because of the pandemic, we all are aware the posibility of getting covid virus in the crowded place and casinos are assumed to be where people go.

I don't think that is always right, it is just that we can't accept that we also have the mistakes. Like, for example there are a lot of people that are forcing themselves to gamble in these casinos instead of doing it online which makes themselves close to the virus and being contaminated and then they will be blaming these casinos for that. They aren't earning enough but still, they are earning and that means a lot of people are still going in there.

As long as they can pay their employees and can pay taxes to the government, I think that's already enough.
The risk is almost anywhere especially in places where people gathers but that's it, we have to live with the virus on our daily living, because if we stop, we might die in hunger,  that's what the government thinking on why they allow casinos to operate despite of the pandemic, we should not question that.

I think that is the risk they've taken.

If they chose to contaminate the virus, I think they would be focussing on having strict lockdowns but they should balance the two that is why they are maintaining the economy in a certain point but that is still affected by the pandemic going on. This is the best option they have, it is a risk but it is a risk they need to take. These lawsuits would be useless since these casinos can defend themselves with a lot of ways for them to get the virus.