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They stole $15,000 from me in bitcoin.  They have done it to countless other people.  They are constantly stealing from people and not paying them.  The only way they pay is if you find a way to prevent people from depositing and things.  They are truly a virus on the community.  There are tons of people talking about how they just confiscated $15,000 of my deposits with vague TOS rules, and we are just bumping their thread further and many people are just seeing Cloudbet advertised and not following what is going on.

You guys should see all of the scams in the past the site has been dealing with.  They owe me $15,000 and countless others.  You can follow my scam accusation thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.0



You can also see a list of about 30 scam threads started from different people over the years here:

I just went in their discord chat and there was another message from the chat who said they rolled him for 2 BTC ($20,000) and they aren't paying him back either.



I know how the place operates.  They offer an extremely wide selection of odds to anonymous users who use only crypto-currency- this leaves their sportsbook extremely vulnerable to any sharp action or syndicate bettors who can take advantage of obscure betting lines and matches.  Then when they begin to get hit, they find ways to just ban any winning bettor and confiscate the money.

They confiscate the money not only to profit themselves and put it back into marketing budget to get losing gamblers, but they also want to break any winning bettor so that they don't come back and make a new account and continue to gamble with them.

Instead of Cloudbet using this model and scamming people left and right, how about they just offer less betting lines and higher juice and not be an entirely thieving corporation?  

Also their username has begun to get serious amounts of flags and some negative trust rating, and I hope it continues and they are completely banned from the site and their thread taken down.  See their profile here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563

They have a legendary account and guess what, positive trust ratings mostly due to influencer marketing and signature campaigns.  They are bringing in new suckers to steal money from.  If they don't win it by gambling losses, they take the money by force.  Any long term winner on the site will get KYC'd and served some sort of TOS to keep the funds, or they'll just hold it indefinitely and not even respond.  I've seen it all.  

Can we get rid of this thieving site?  How about you return my money first, Cloudbet?  Again, see the scam accusation thread and decide for yourself if these people should still have a place on bitcointalk as a legendary person.  I don't think so.  I will ask others who know about what is going on to weigh in on this thread and I hope you do keep it up.  We need to clean up these scammers from the crypto community- they are obviously rampant with what they can get away with being anonymous.

Again they need to change their business model so that they don't need to scam people in order to survive as a casino.  


They want to take $15,000 from me, out of my deposits and say since I am a winning account they can do that #1 and #2 they are saying that because I logged in from a USA IP and have a permanent residence in USA that I could not have been gambling on their account for 3 months from Mexico where I have been staying during the pandemic since I am out of work.  I need the funds for my day to day life, they were processing tons of deposits and cashouts.  See here all my deposits to the site.

Here are all of the deposits I had made to the site in the last days.
2020-09-20 02:03
-62.870026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2b5e75e192cdb526bdd9d2b533e7d2831a7c1b396dabb7c140d0d6d7f56f11ff

2020-09-20 03:42
-30.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/01e511b44f7764c5c0777d5e05bb0a0469735dac1986f7e1c7ce88a329165804

2020-09-20 03:42
-40.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/e65e1d247510d1b3eadfd9b60e60e684317aef3d05c89bcea63899e56f65e70f

2020-09-20 04:35
-25.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b9ff51ded44267f6cb791115c22f6efd3e6601f74883c8c659b1a27e005f2a63

2020-09-21 04:06
-17.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4aba5056b29de5c859fbee68cd4d97cc0c62f0fe9569e7e919d82eda414b5db8

2020-09-21 04:46
-13.500043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e41abd57b82f45f79bd2f53ad54351c95bd31572fb4a6a5ae3cf2b7109069a7

2020-09-21 04:46
-7.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/a75034c751b2237dedcd1ce9e83f8e36c159ad7b46e54b2f428c46af42a3b412

2020-09-21 06:46
-20.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/ef102b75b7d0203ab30d59220884f4e434a13708b338aa58f55d44a5cdf958bf

2020-09-21 08:21
-10.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/5eaff8faf8d150b90401064fe08e6e2fbf57c9165c4293133c641121d999df3c

2020-09-21 08:23
-5.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d7464120ea42e93516bd69b9480198602408f66002ff642340a5741b2bf8fda4

2020-09-21 09:11
-16.00004247: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/c68f163c2e0c96e1ee88ab16e6f4027de708a9c3a3c938a0c3630b652b5173ef

2020-09-22 00:19
-40.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/95500ca4c75f1fccdfa8f7be857e0cb970ab65452a2d5652bedaeb0025b5a18e

2020-09-22 03:16
-30.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/f275fba7618cb81e1703abc6db23ef861ef8ddb76ae43bd398bb0a27f241340b

2020-09-22 08:32
-8.380026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d33c583f3657e815293faa3c941ef334e36265b9425ed29480d3662d2fc40408

THE FINAL DEPOSITS:

2020-09-23 04:47
-24.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

2020-09-23 06:29
-20.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

2020-09-23 07:36
-16.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

2020-09-23 11:25
-3.000043: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

2020-09-23 11:25
-11.000026: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3


FINAL CASHOUT REQUEST was around 67 BCH.  Some other cashouts had been processed along the way without freezing the account yet.





I trusted them with tons of money and they waited until I deposited a lot of funds until they scammed me and took all the money.  They also pulled an even worse move- they mis-graded a wager, the winning total was about $3,000.  But my account balance at the time was about $30,000.  I didn't notice the mis-grade, and they were telling me that since there was a mis-grade, ALL the bets I made after that should be voided because I didn't let them know personally and was playing with their funds.  it was 10% of my account balance and I had no idea.  It was a retire in a 2nd set and some books have different rules so I wouldn't know.  

If they don't change they need to go.  Where is the $15k Cloudbet.  

-efxes

EDIT: UPDATE:
wow site looks really good, man @cloudbetscamsdotcom.  Yeah I gave him some info and he ran with it.  Thanks for doing that.


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EDIT UPDATE OCTOBER 8, 2020

Hey guys I just summed up the story quite well on twoplustwo and SBRforum.  [b]Here's a link to the article on cloudbetscamsDOTCOM's site:[/b] https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/


And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now.  to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal.  Here is the story:

I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet




So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.

Again this article can be found here:
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/

I think those posts should be here to keep up the conversation without censorship.


From your BCH hashes, your BCH address from which you made deposits likekly is qr9m7peyurh9x4w6njffl6lx6vltkkqdayntxmeg68.
What is your deposit address on Cloudbet? Can you provide that adress?

I was sending from a bunch of different BCH addresses I believe, I had a wallet full of keys.

I'm not sure what the address I was sending to.  Let me check-  regardless of whatever rules Cloudbet has come up with, they need to make right and send the money NOW.  Send the cashout.  Send the money I had just deposited into the site. 

I appreciate you making it without censorship.  I really don't have anything to hide.  What they have done is not right and it's happened for years and years and years.  This action of theirs can't come without damages on their end.  They need to suffer for their wrong-doings... the whole community knows it.  But nobody has actually even tarnished their bitcointalk account until this event for some reason- no idea why.  I guess they paid selectively and asked people to undo whatever negative trust they had after slowly paying or settling.  They are scammers through and out, and just thieves.

Here, let me find the address:
qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv


that's the one

In recent days 1xbet has got a lot of accusations, and they were stopped from running their signature campaign to promote their platform. Later Livecoin exchange encountered similar issue and they were also stopped from running their campaign. Now it is cloudbet, I didn't thought of such a large number of accusations from different people. I'm used to the cloudbet for sports betting as it provides the live betting access. I believe the official cloudbet support of our Bitcointalk will respond to it.

I have a feeling 1xbet and cloudbet might be closely related.  Also, if you haven't won in your lifetime in the account, you don't have anything to worry about.  But once you actually win money lifetime on your account and are up , then they will scam you. They can see the total deposited and total withdrawn so they know if you are winning or not long term.  Most people are losing so you will never get scammed.  But even if you won a large sum after losing tons, they will still scam you.  I'm sure of it.  Their business thrives on stealing funds.

Did you make deposits in BCH, and used those BCH to gamble on Cloudbet.com?

All of those deposits you see in the OP are deposits into the Cloudbet wallet basically.  They refuse to pay because in the 3 month lifetime of the account I was up a little bit of money.  They said I was in USA (which I wasn't, I have been in Mexico for months now) and said my documents were not sufficient.  They said I failed my case because i sent in USA documents and they closed the case and are keeping my $15,000 cashout.

You have to realize how absurd it is.  This is happening for years on the site.  They need to be out of business.  This is no way to act in the world.  Only way to act like this is if you are ANONYMOUS and can evade all people angry at them.  This really ruins lives. 

They need to leave.  I don't know about 1xbet yet, that's why more people need to speak out on these things.

I did not even know Cloudbet had this many accusations open against them but from the evidence I can see,,, it seems OP is ignoring that he seems to have made several mistakes in his explanation, and left out that he did break TOS?

Have they offered to at least return the deposit, not winnings for breaking terms?

I did not ask you about your problem with your activities on the site and their ToS. I asked you about what you did after you made BCH deposits?

What I see is there are only received transactions with that address, no sendouts till now. All received amount are still in Unspent status.

I don't know that is your BCH address on Cloudbet or their cold wallet address. I have no idea who is the owner of that address (you on your personal wallet, or on your Cloudbet account, Cloudbet's cold wallet). No idea.

I asked because they claimed that address is not on Cloudbet.com.
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

I purposefully only included the deposits.  They gave me multiple withdrawals but I don't want to put those for privacy reasons.  The fact is if they were processing large withdrawals, they should only calculate the amount of deposits since the last withdrawal, not the total profit for the book, that only favors the book.

I just don't understand waht you're saying.

I included many many many deposits during my last run at the book which put me into the green magically.


They scammed the living crap out of me.

OK i see what you're saying.

THis is my BCH deposit address at cloudbet: qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

I sent from various wallets.  That's my deposit address.

As far as the "final 50BCH deposit" that was my mistake, the 50BCH was deposited elsewhere.  all the other transactions are to cloudbet basically.  Since the last withdrawal I deposited at least 75 BCH and I still had money in the account after the withdrawal regardless.  I was depositing and withdrawing like a madman.  What happened was I started losing and deposited basically the rest of my BCH minus that 50 BCH, so I had deposited like 100 BCH maybe let's say.  I was down to 67 BCH and went to cash out again, and they froze the account and said I coudln't cash it out becuase USA bla bla bla. 

That's what happened man.  They robbed me of my final deposits.  It's scamming. 


You have to please look at the OP and look at how many problems this book has.  It's not good business  They stole $15,000 from me.  They can word it however professionally they want, you guys can ask me whatever questions you like, I'm happy to answer them.  The fact is they stole $15,000 from me.  There's no two ways around that.

Just think of it like this.  I go to deposit like 70 BCH, I wager on one match and basically win and then lose some back, a quick deposit.  I go to cash out , and they freeze the account, say they're taking those last deposits that I just deposited because the lifetime balance of the account is a winning one. 

I got robbed blind for $15,000.  Plain and simple.  They go after the big fishes, the scams that are worth it. 

They need to stop leeching off this community, it's been too many years of this.  Read the OP and all the various things.  Go visit the site the guy posted.  Read up, it's a scam site.

I am not sure I fully understand what the problem with the deposits is. This case looks very difficult, and in such situations I've seen casinos returning the deposits, but not giving the money a person won due to breaking some rules (it's often multi accounting, but in this case it might be using a VPN or something like this). I'm sorry, op, if you truly did nothing wrong and lost $15k of your money. But since you yourself mentioned in the first post of this thread that Cloudbet has 'vague' rules, I suppose you know what they're accusing you of and what you did in violation of the rules. Cloudbet has both positive and negative feedback, so at least it's not a casino that would steal and walk away. I hope the issue will be resolved in a way that is satisfactory to both parties.

Sorry for your loss. Almost every bookmakers we have and are popular are in one way of the other being dented by scam accusation especially some like 1xbit that people repeatedly have issue with. I strongly believe the ads placement managers here on BTT are watching closely and will always do their best to remove any of them if found truly guilty.

These allegations are quite serious. Nor is it just an accusation. He has added all the evidence and even took the trouble to set up a website. Then there is really a serious story behind it. Maybe we can wait for a response from Cloudbet here to resolve it professionally? in this way they suffer serious image damage. I am shocked how many people have become victims of Cloudbet (enter the list he listed). @Cloudbet Time to clear the air and damage control.

Feel for your loss man, but obviously it's also some your problem, because as i see above there was too much accusation about them before.

Will tag their main account and support flag later.

Best regards.

Scams are not moderated here that is the rule of bitcointalk but community has given chance who should be trusted and not, with DT and flag systems.

Cloudbet was one of the reputed sportbook in the past but why they changed now?

Maybe you're talking about SportsBet, eh? I can't remember times when Cloudbet was reputable. Yeah, i remember times when their sig ad was everywhere, but it doesn't have anything close to term "reputable".

Anything but reputable.  Please pay me the cashout Cloudbet.  This is going on way too long and have gone silent.

Well, perhaps you need to extend your patient, --Ronnie of Cloudbet did not online yet since yesterday, perhaps your case is quite taking so long time for them to verify that issue. As he stated in this post,

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Sorry for your loss and I hope this problem of yours will solved as soon as possible, I believe that the cloudbet will not ruin again their reputation since other DT members revived the negative feedback to neutral.

Certainly, only a small fraction of those they've scammed know about bitcointalk or bother reporting it. I bet there are lots more out there.  They, Cloudbet, have good reasons for hiding their location.

There's a word already given so I think people need to wait for that since if they will not follow on their given words then for sure this will be the end of their business since no one will trust them anymore. There are so many case happened from them before and I believe those things will reflect back again if Cloudbet management will insist to release the funds.

For sure many people are watching this case right now.

The complaints are mounting and this should not be ignored anymore by the operators of Cloudbet, this thread is a good reference of the so many issues confronting Cloudbet they seems to be the Yobit version here in gambling.
Op has done his part of exposing Cloudbet I can understand his wrath imagine that huge amount I can relax the whole year with that amount
it's now up to gamblers to decide if they still prefer Cloudbet with the so many bad reports.

Yes I remember it correctly, cloudbet was one of the most preferred sportbook when sportbet was new to the cryptocurrencies and if I remember it correctly sportbet even got lot of scam accusation by people but at the end the mistake was commited by themselves because they didn't give much attention to their ToS while playing there.

Hello, why was this moved to scam accusations when Cloudbet is having so many problems?  when will they be removed from the site????

Also I just sent in MORE documentation, very personal documentation, so that hoepfully they can process my withdrawal.  They have gone silent and said case is closed, this is not fair.

If you have not done anything wrong like you follow their terms and conditions but still they do this to you then this is not a good example for cloudbet if they like to maintain their reputation here. Have you message their support about it and what are their response?

Did they say the main reason behind their action why they do freeze or confiscated your $15? I am a cloudbet user for several years already and I didn't find any problem so far that is why I am a little bit hesitant right now whether I will continue to use that platform knowing that there are many accusations already.

Hopefully, cloudbet explain their side of things here. I believe in fair justice, with this bunch of evidences piled high in their faces, they must atleast give out a word. Let this be a lesson for other people who will try to gamble, check the reputation of the site and if they have a rap sheet in regards to running away with people's money.

They were no active for 3 days now (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563).
I'm looking forward that they'll answer this accusation once they are online, and eventually solve it if it's necessary.

I saw number of scam accusation against Cloudbet in the past but they were solve, hope they'll do the same here.

they've responded to this accusation before. they said that the OP have broken some of their ToS and said that they have given back the deposit the OP made on their gambling site. but the OP said he hasn't received anything yet. Cloudbet hasn't responded yet after that.

If I'm not mistaken, Cloudbet has been around since 2013. I doubt they could've lasted this long if their biz model is to scam people. I was on Reddit the other day and I noticed all of the pinned posts on r/cloudbet are scam accusations... their competitor or at least someone is trying to mess with them...

Mess with them?  They just scammed the crap outta me.  Are you actually staying informed or are you someone trying to help Cloudbet not pay the money they are stealing from players.

BTW guys, I'm not into blatantly accusing various accounts of being shill accounts because at times it can be out of line.

However cryptofiend01 is 100% a shill account.  Their first post was commenting on betting on the US presidential odds. 

For a sportsbook, taking bets on long term events is a serious money grab.  Bets are tied up for months, and the site can then use those funds to make more profits elsewhere while waiting to pay out (if they even pay out at all)

The account has 4 posts.  first one being commenting on a presidential betting thread from cloudbet or something.  Next one a random post with zero value and zero interest, no idea why they'd post and then 3rd one this post.  last one is just "bitcoin to the moon yo".  check the history.

If I were Cloudbet, I'd constantly be hiring reputation management and shill accounts to build history over time and sway the opinion in the forums.  It's standard business practice these days.

Seriously, defending Cloudbet a site that just stole $15,000 from me.  This is only beginning if they don't return the money.  This shouldn't ever happen to anyone.

Take a look at this account 'ordinarybloke26'
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2849561
They were given a neutral trust by the brand new member cryptofiend above directly after registering.  It's funny because I had just called out ordinarybloke for also being a reputation management shill for Cloudbet as well.

The nerve of this sportsbook to steal from players and then try and bash them and call them people trying to smear Cloudbet or give them a bad name for no reason.

Listen, the site stole $15,000 from me and they have the nerve to use new shill accounts to boost each other's rep.  I can expect negative trust coming from their shill accounts now that I left negative on their account because it's so obvious new accounts giving other sham accounts rep is so obvious to me.  It's unbelievable.

can a mod please look into removing them from the forum, they are an outright scam

Cloudbet is continuing to phish for deposits FROM USA CUSTOMERS.  All of their recent tweets are about accepting bets on USA POLITICS.  They are looking to outright steal player money especially USA citizens.

https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314049132777009152
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314046182511968258
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314036516889403394
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314032452633989121
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314030860069347329
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314028359920177152
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314027663137284098
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314022452758933504
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314021552707387392
https://twitter.com/Cloudbet/status/1314013709149171713

These are all in the last day.  Every single post is about USA politics, yet they are stealing USA player money. 

Cloudbet is about to become exposed if they don't pay the balance of Efxes very soon.  There are multiple people very upset with Cloudbet's actions in regards to Efxes.

Hi all,

Cloudbet has made an official statement with regards to allegations made by @efxes. This statement can be found in the Cloudbet Bitcointalk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55334974#msg55334974

Moving forward, all updates regarding this case will be made on this thread.

Thank you for your continued support,

Team Cloudbet

Scamming from me, here it is.  They need to be banned from this site.

https://i.imgur.com/BQklomk.png

Please also see the original post in this thread and tell me if they do not have a history of stealing from player community.  There is a huge list of scam accusations against the company, and they want you to go complain all over the internet just to get paid.  They are ruining players in the community's lives.

For all I know, the 330 BTC run up, complaint, and payout could have all been fake.  In order to garner the thought in the mind of people that they pay out large sums

It's because they have been getting away with this so long.  The guy who made the video is a genius and a warrior for the bitcoin wagering community.  The fact that he made this video 4 months ago and people still are depositing to this site is telling. Bitcointalk needs to take action against Cloudbet if they continue to not pay out Efxes and other people they are scamming that is coming to light.

"Cloudbet Casino Scam Exposed Do Not Play At Cloudbet Casino Cloudbet Casino Review Casino Scam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwrfQSJVJXU

He made this video 4 months ago warning people about Cloudbet!  But clearly more will need to be done to fight them stealing from the bitcoin community.

And then he made this video:

Cloudbet Scams Customer For $15,000 Cloudbet Scam Exposed Cloudbet Review DO NOT PLAY AT CLOUDBET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sqZqdsVNEU

@OP I am sorry for what's been going on - I have removed them and also posted in their ANN thread. https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/cloudbet-removed-on-btcgosu-due-to-open-scam-accusation/

Good man.  They are using bitcoin community as their own personal ATM, only deposits no withdrawals if you are making money.

I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d48
2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f03
3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528


From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3



So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet


NOTE:  MODS, i deleted any links other than the transaction histories.

https://i.imgur.com/o4HjIjh.png

I'm almost positive this guy owns Cloudbet.  This is from SBRforum.

There was some accusation, but they were resolved peacefully. Some time ago i thought in the same way and DarkStar clarify situation with a SportBet to me (that with them everything is fine, users were given their money back)

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  fighting to take money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html
https://i.imgur.com/WezYsmn.png
https://i.imgur.com/o4HjIjh.png


Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.

Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.

I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.

Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

https://i.imgur.com/beyU5ls.png

I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account.  I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN.  I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:
https://i.imgur.com/KgCld42.png





you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing)


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account.  Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.
https://i.imgur.com/rsdNfv4.png




Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:

https://i.imgur.com/Ni3NT6w.png
https://i.imgur.com/g20YlwF.png



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing)





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:
https://i.imgur.com/uVrqFaF.png




So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses
https://i.imgur.com/b11L0VB.png










I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real.  I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account.  I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing)

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing)

https://i.imgur.com/7YBuiw1.png


So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet.  They closed my account since I used it from USA.  I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet.  So yes, I had two accounts.  But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways.  So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.
https://i.imgur.com/jG6pqvb.png

https://i.imgur.com/B0Zb0MU.png

If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the johncoltrane44@gmail.com

here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG (https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG)

Email screenshots of withdrawals on 4 year old account (~30 withdrawals): https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e
Email screenshots of deposits on 4 year old account johncoltrane44@gmail.com (~200 deposits): https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG
Spreadsheet of deposits and withdrawals of johncoltrane44@gmail.com with links to each imgur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing

https://i.imgur.com/cVpl3XH.png

This means I'm still down over .9 bitcoins even if I was paid out, yet cloudbet said in their post on the subject that i had withdrawn more than my deposits. clearly this is untrue. also in the past they have delayed like this and ended up paying, in similar cases. all i ask is they look at this info again, now that this info has come to light, so they can see they're making a mistake, and that I should be due my deposits back.

https://i.imgur.com/IBZsy2Z.jpg
i have provided evidence that this is false (above). awaiting cloudbets response

https://i.imgur.com/Zlffu8x.png

I also want to change my tone and apologize to Cloudbet for breaking their TOS and providing false information.

I still would like a response to the new info that is coming to light now that I am bringing all the facts to the table.  I appreciate any understanding and forgiveness from Cloudbet and the community as well for being angry and accusatory when I was the one breaking terms of service.

You can do a compromise to erase all your accusations or lock your thread or update that the issues are resolved if they give you money back  your chances is still 50/50 here because this is $15000 and it's huge money, I'd like to think that it's the end for Cloudbet and I will warn any of my friends to avoid this gambling site.

It's so true man, thank you for your kind words, they really mean more than you know.

That case was in 2019, and this is 2020, many things have changed from that time. More powerful sportsbook like FJ, SB , Stake.com has taken the ecosystem. I also dont believe that they paid him 330 BTC but there might be some deal inbetween them as the user was clearly a US resident.

Cloudbet has lost the race with SB and Stake.

I agree, it seems that they needed the money so they took the chance to take some back when I deposited a large amount.  I'm hoping they re-look at the case in the other thread.  We are waiting on what they say about it. 

You always claim the 330btc situation is the same as yours but you cannot be more wrong.

You have been banned years ago and knew you are not allowed to play. But still you made another account and played again, that's just stupid.
The other guy only had his 1 account and then the problem came up.

See the difference?

look, i know the situation is not EXACTLY the same. however, it is similar. and there are points about that case that actually HELP me. the other guy was a lifetime winner, he deposited 150btc i believe and was up 180btc. im a lifetime LOSER. so my case is actually stronger than the other guy on that point. my case is weaker on the point that i already had an account, i fully admit that and have come clear 100% with all the information accurate now. sure, i broke that TOS in addition. however, overall my case is much stronger than the 330btc guy and i cant understand why he got paid and i didnt. does cloudbet have liquidity problems? have they signed a wallet with a large balance in a while? i truly cannot understand and the community should be starting to ask these questions as well


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Still no word from Cloudbet.  I've ceased flaming and apologized for presenting mis-leading and false facts about the case.  Now with the updated facts awaiting further review of the case from team Cloudbet and really hoping we can come to a resolution.  I still believe precedent from past cases should play a role given the new facts presented above in the case.  Awaiting word from Cloudbet, thank you for those supporting this case to this point.


Note:  i want to clarify that I've never once been banned from cloudbet.  They asked for documents on the first account, I didn't send them because I don't like sending documents.  2 years later I made another account and here we are.

I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet.  I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out.  No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.  


Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know.  I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously.  I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet.  Thank you.


I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)
https://i.imgur.com/9DbOrZV.png

Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.  

Cloudbet:I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story.  I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved.  I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well.  Thank you.[/b][/font][/size]

Also note:  any delay is not the fault of Cloudbet's, but my own for providing misleading facts about the case.  I understand these things take time and when I wasn't co-operating by providing mis-leading facts this can severely delay any expediated resolution to a case such as this.  Thank you for taking the time to review the updated facts of the case.

Mate, in their site they have mentioned clearly this.


https://i.imgur.com/rtwZL4V.jpg

So I cant blame Cloudbet in your case.

https://i.imgur.com/jpL3K0r.png

Yes, but confiscating the balance is a sudden policy shift- and is alarming to say the least.  It is cause for community concern for liquidity issues which haven't been proven for 2 years now.  In the past they have made multiple statements that ALL players are paid their account balances and especially deposits when co-operating.

See this:
https://i.imgur.com/S6abvFY.png

https://i.imgur.com/hZWTPn5.png

what caused the immediate change in policy?  Because of their mis-grade error?  I am here and ready to co-operate, however Cloudbet refuses to do so and I am patiently awaiting further review of the case.  The precedent is overwhelmingly in my favor and the issues brought up in this post and past recent posts are cause for alarm in the community- not just with this company but all the companies we deal with in this space.  The cause for incongruencies is alarming and cause for concern for the financial status of the company and needs to be addressed by not me, but by the community and this is why I made this thread in the gambling section and was moved to scam accusations.  I will continue persisting until a mutual amicable resolution is made and I am fully co-operating with Cloudbet in any way they see fit.  

I appreciate your time and want to thank the bitcointalk community as a whole for making sure we hold companies accountable for their actions in this disruptive, anonymous crypto wagering economy.

De-escalating and awaiting further word from Cloudbet about my case.

I just don't understand how this type of feedback doesn't affect them over the years
https://i.imgur.com/5LtPv6w.png
https://i.imgur.com/dHxFfB1.png

Anyways I'm going to quiet down about the case and hopefully Cloudbet will want to come to a resolution.  I have to actually go back to my normal life with a job and stuff and not deal with this on a daily basis (or ever again), god forbid.  Good luck to those who have to deal with the company in the future.  Utter mess.

OMG I exactly feel the same way. I never experienced anything like this before. Unfortunately for them I own a huge a part of the media.

We did a huge research about the company and payouts etc. There is something serious wrong with their company and it isn't safe to play at their casino.


We just published an article about cloudbet and their scammy business: https://trendnieuws.nl/watch-out-for-this-extremely-risky-and-unsafe-crypto-casino/

Why don't you just create a scam accusation here with a proper scam report format instead of posting external links to your review sites?
Nobody is surely going to waste time visiting external links in case your aim was to get some clicks and visitors.

there is even a special website about cloudbet being unsafe! http://cloudbetscam.com/

your special website does not exist, at least that's what my browser says.
You got the right suggestions from logfiles, I don't know why you didn't accept them, but you continue to necropost in a 2-year no-posting old thread.

Try again... It does exist and it's about a full research with fats. So please check again before you draw any conclusions.

https://cloudbetscam.com

There is a reason why somebody wrote about it. Check the reason and the facts ;)

And the reason I respond to such an old thread is because there are still victims, including me.

There are more websites talking about this issue. Cloudbetscam.com is even created for this issue.

Scammers! They closed my account when I tried a withdralwal.

I was using the website normally until the day that I tried a withdrawal.

After that they closed my account and asked for my documents.

Closing the account just in the day that you try a withdrawal? It's absurd! They are clearly trying to steal the money that the costumers are earning.

I sent all the documents that they asked, but they said that I broked the rules (???). They said that I have more than one account, what is a lie. I was playing honestly on my account and they don't let me withdraw the money that I earned for no reason.

If Cloudbet don't want me as a costumer, ok. But they are not paying the money that the costumers earn. Avoid this website.