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[efialtis]

Announcing that with immediate effect, Cloudbet is no longer available on BTCGOSU: https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/cloudbet-removed-on-btcgosu-due-to-open-scam-accusation/

@Cloudbet Just like other reputable members (Hhampuz, Jollygood etc.) have already stated, I do not understand the way you are handling this case - I didn't expect that from you and if there is more to it, feel free to get in touch. Otherwise I will not only never promote you again but shortly also support the flag, add you to my Blacklist and help players by preventing them from signing up on your site.

I am taking back everything I said - still not happy about the way Cloudbet have been handling this but one thing's for sure - efxes, you don't deserve any better than this based on how you made up various things - consider writing a book or so but don't ask anyone for support again.

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[JollyGood]

I am extremely disappointed after reading this confession.

Regardless of what the truth actually is - you seem to have lied multiple times and now cannot be trusted at all.

I have removed my support of the flag against Cloudbet and have removed my negative trust for them too because I am no longer interested in this drama.

I even sent them a PM yesterday asking for them to release the funds as it was affecting your mental well-being but since all that was exaggerated I will not be participating in your issue again:

Hello,

Kindly resolve the issue with efxes because the whole thing is beginning to affect his mental well being as can be seen in this post here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55351948#msg55351948

I hope you can return his funds to him without accepting responsibility or liability for what happened and you can continue to claim you were within the rights of your ToS to do it and he can make a promise to not post about Cloudbet again or play at your website again. I will make a personal request to the owner of the Cloudbet scam website to take it down too.

Kindly consider this request please because your reputation is getting damaged and also the fact efxes is suffering.

Thank you

Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable.  

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff.  


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker.  

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back.  

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff.  


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back.  

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

[efxes]

I'm very sorry about this, looking back I do think it's common for people in my situation to make up a story and stick to it.  When it comes to money I think people are willing to lie and make up stories when they feel justified- this is a big learning lesson for me to just stay honest no matter what.  I felt the money was more important than my integrity and I'm so sorry for mis-leading people.

I feel awful about it.  Tell me what I can do to make it up to you.

[efxes]

I'm very sorry about this, looking back I do think it's common for people in my situation to make up a story and stick to it.  When it comes to money I think people are willing to lie and make up stories when they feel justified- this is a big learning lesson for me to just stay honest no matter what.  I felt the money was more important than my integrity and I'm so sorry for mis-leading people.

I feel awful about it.  Tell me what I can do to make it up to you.

I want to add that it still doesn't make it right for them to take these deposits from me. If I deposit it then they are allowed to take the deposits?  This is so unfair, but complaining won't do anything at this point.  I don't think the lying should negate this fact... they still are guilty of stealing my last funds when I deposited them.

I'm usually such an honest person, this was so out of my character and I was not handling keeping up this story very well... the whole thing has made me very upset.

[RapTarX]

If I deposit it then they are allowed to take the deposits?  This is so unfair, but complaining won't do anything at this point.

It's your point of view. There's other side too. They are running business legally and they have to maintain a lot of things. They can be charged with money laundering as well and FYI, gambling sites are being used for money laundering as well AFAIK.
Well, they of course have no right to take your deposit; same as some people don't have right to play from restricted countries. If you haven't follow their terms and condition, they can freeze your account and require information they need to verify. By knowing this, you have gamble there.

[efxes]

i need to add some things as well.

I played on the site using email johncoltrane44@gmail.com in the past.

There, I'm not sure of the tally but I might be down 30 BTC or more, possibly much more.  I played on there for a year or two or more back in 2018 and earlier.  

I'm not a winning sports bettor and on Cloudbet I'm down a lot.  So my total wins losses definitely is not up $30,000.  It's more like down $100,000 or more.  

Here's a few emails of me losing BTC deposits from very long ago.


Hi johncoltrane44@gmail.com,

You have successfully deposited 0.10010162BTC. The funds have been credited to your Cloudbet account.

The transaction hash is: be0c14b6e9e219d281f2d6049e06007f4b4305553f30b0412f395740874751d5

The transaction was completed at 2019-01-12 20:18:37 UTC


Here's a BTC address that i used to deposit to
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PNeoc2cyBfYTzwUwporWwNKYwqnVhW5CD?page=2


But I think that I am down many many bitcoins on the site, I don't know why i don't see all the deposits , maybe I had an additional bitcoin address, and i will tally it all up now using my emails (cloudbet can help in this too I am hoping by looking at ledger for johncoltrane44@gmail.com) but you have to understand, I am no winning sports bettor.  My life has been near ruined by sports betting.  All my poker winnings and Uber driving generally has gone to sports betting.

Only recently have I become good at betting on tennis and nothing else, but even then I tilt and bet lower matches and it is not easy to win, and I am down six figures or more if you think about bitcoin rise lifetime.

[efxes]

Yea i agree with everything cloudbet said except one thing. they keep saying im a big winner lifetime. since ive had other accts im actually down lifetime i believe, not sure on exact results but ive def lost on other accts too, i understand this is against terms of service too but lets be reasonable, they could look the other way and give me something for this, and make it clear that if i try to play there again from usa they will be allowed to confiscate everything

I've mostly deposited and almost never withdrawn in the entire lifetime of having the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account. 

I'm down so much bitcoin and if they want to post the deposits and withdrawals of my old account they can do that to give more perspective that Im really not down that much.  Maybe they can just confiscate any deposits if I deposit in the future- in general at Cloudbet I was a long time loyal customer for 3 years now and have been making deposits and hardly withdrawing the entire time.  I won some back but not even close to what I'm down on the site.  I've given them a lot of BTC over the years and they want to paint me as a winner which I am not.   I lose loads at sports, more than I can afford.

[Findingnemo]

How do you feel about depositing $20,000 to a site you trusted, only to not be able to get it back?  I broke the terms, it's ok to rob me?

Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.

[Arcas]

Much has been said and written about it. Yet the only fair solution seems that Cloudbet will simply pay out properly. After all, they themselves allowed this player to gamble. They should have asked for documentation or verification much sooner, and not just after big wins. Perhaps the player in question is not going completely free either, but we are talking about a betting organization, which has to be perfect and not just good. Nor is it that they just started. Unfortunately, they have made many victims. The fact that they indicate that the victim can now lodge a complaint via the committee does not say anything. They will know from experience that people often don't do that anyway because it will probably be a long process. 15,000 USD is a little something for Cloudbet, they can easily miss that money.

[efxes]

I had an account 18 months before I made the efxes@producehits.com account.  I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the efxes@producehits.com account on a VPN.  I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from johncoltrane44@gmail.com 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account.  Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the efxes@producehits.com account, sent to me by head of customer service:






https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the Efxes@producehits.com account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the johncoltrane44@gmail.com account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real.  I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on johncoltrane44@gmail.com over the 2-3 years I had the account.  I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial johncoltrane44@gmail.com from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official efxes@producehits.com from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing




So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet.  They closed my account since I used it from USA.  I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet.  So yes, I had two accounts.  But looking at my johncoltrane44@gmail.com account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways.  So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.




If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the johncoltrane44@gmail.com

here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

[bbc.reporter]

@efxes. You lost your coins in bets and want them to reimburse you because of that rule? I reckon they should only reimburse you with only all your coins before you have taken those bets.

[efxes]

@efxes. You lost your coins in bets and want them to reimburse you because of that rule? I reckon they should only reimburse you with only all your coins before you have taken those bets.

If you're late to the party, they caught me VPN'ing from the USA.  They want to take my $15,000 in deposits, but they said that I'm in the profit lifetime on the account.

As you can see above, I'm not.  I'm down at least .9 bitcoin but I am adding it up now and I already found an extra .03 deposit so it's looking like I'm a losing customer on their site still after this second account I made after they closed my first account suddenly because they stopped accepting USA customers.  I didn't try to circumvent that back then but now I did.

They are saying they won't give me back the money I deposited that's on the account because I'm profiting off of them.  But I'm not, I was a loyal losing customer for many years before this.  It was my mistake to make another account but I loved the Cloudbet software and I was a loyal customer, I chose them over all other sportsbooks I enjoyed my experience there.

But what Steve says is I am profiting but I'm not.  I'm a losing customer I've donated plenty, my first account closed 18 months before I made this account was -2.7 bitcoins.  I have no history of multi-accounting, only being a loyal cloudbet customer missing my experience there.

[bbc.reporter]

Yes, however if you lost your coins on bets, what is there to reimburse to you? Those bets are lost. Should everyone use a VPN from a banned country, lose their bets and demand Cloudbet to reimburse their coins? I shake my head.

@Ronnie?

[efxes]

Yes, however if you lost your coins on bets, what is there to reimburse to you? Those bets are lost. Should everyone use a VPN from a banned country, lose their bets and demand Cloudbet to reimburse their coins? I shake my head.

@Ronnie?

Where do you see that I lost?  I didn't lose.  I deposited 80 BCH and I went to cashout 67 BCH and they're taking all BCH of my deposits.  Stop posting if you don't know what you're talking about.

Plus Steve said that if my lifetime deposits are less than withdrawals they're entitled to keep whatever I sent that day.  But I had another account 2 years apart that I didn't even VPN in from.  I was a long time losing and loyal customer, in love iwth the software and I missed the experience and VPN'd in.  I have never won, this was a fluke.  I ran up a big amount and my dreams were crushed because I'm a winner?  but in fact I lost 2.7 bitcoins at least to the site, which can be verified by Cloudbet if they would like to release it.  

The reason I'm not being paid is because of the profits on the account, but in fact I've donated .9 bitcoins or more in the 3 years I've used the site, most of that time I wasn't using a VPN.  It was just 18 months after my account was shut down for being from the USA that I grabbed a VPN and bet for 3 months and wound up winning, withdrawing everytyhing, and slowly re-depositing until they took my deposits when I couldn't afford for them to be taken.  Again, here's the email:




And by the way, with the money stolen from the account, I would actually be down 2.3 bitcoins, not .9 bitcoisn to the site.  I deserve the account balance back, and I am firm about that.

Quote: "polite but firm. u are a lifetime 0.9 (actually 2.3 if i don't get my deposits back) btc loser on cloudbet. in similar situations they have paid ppl the balance, bigger balances, and closed the account. in their communications with regards to your account, they claimed you were a winner and that is one of the reasons for their decision. just keep repeating this"
"u can even post that text of mine word for in quotes and say "a friend who is giving me advice on this situation said to post this"

[efxes]

[efxes]

Including the 67bch ($15,000) that's being withheld from me, and then factoring in the fact that I owe them 0.26 BTC ($3,000) for a misgrade, I am down approximately $25k to the site. if they release these funds to me i will still be down approximately $11k (.9btc+)  to the site. thus, their statement that i rcvd more in deposits than withdrawals is FALSE. i have proof, screenshots, showing that this is false. i apologize for lying in the beginning, i was scared, but now i am being completely truthful and showing proof. i am willing to take as long as it takes to resolve this, and would appreciate any kind words or support from anyone


and i understand that i may not get anything back but i still hold my claim, and will forever hold it, unless they resolve this with me.

[efxes]

Email screenshots of withdrawals on 4 year old account (~30 withdrawals): https://imgur.com/a/tUUxi0e
Email screenshots of deposits on 4 year old account johncoltrane44@gmail.com (~200 deposits): https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG
Spreadsheet of deposits and withdrawals of johncoltrane44@gmail.com with links to each imgur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing



This means I'm still down over .9 bitcoins even if I was paid out, yet cloudbet said in their post on the subject that i had withdrawn more than my deposits. clearly this is untrue. also in the past they have delayed like this and ended up paying, in similar cases. all i ask is they look at this info again, now that this info has come to light, so they can see they're making a mistake, and that I should be due my deposits back.

[efxes]

i have provided evidence that this is false (above). awaiting cloudbets response

[efxes]

Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.

I also want to change my tone and apologize to Cloudbet for breaking their TOS and providing false information.

I still would like a response to the new info that is coming to light now that I am bringing all the facts to the table.  I appreciate any understanding and forgiveness from Cloudbet and the community as well for being angry and accusatory when I was the one breaking terms of service.

[efxes]

Sorry for ranting, I lost $60 last night to a friend and I was upset lol.