They stole $15,000 from me in bitcoin. They have done it to countless other people. They are constantly stealing from people and not paying them. The only way they pay is if you find a way to prevent people from depositing and things. They are truly a virus on the community. There are tons of people talking about how they just confiscated $15,000 of my deposits with vague TOS rules, and we are just bumping their thread further and many people are just seeing Cloudbet advertised and not following what is going on.
You guys should see all of the scams in the past the site has been dealing with. They owe me $15,000 and countless others. You can follow
my scam accusation thread here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.0You can also see a list of about 30 scam threads started from different people over the years here:
I just went in their discord chat and there was another message from the chat who said they rolled him for 2 BTC ($20,000) and they aren't paying him back either.
I know how the place operates. They offer an extremely wide selection of odds to anonymous users who use only crypto-currency- this leaves their sportsbook extremely vulnerable to any sharp action or syndicate bettors who can take advantage of obscure betting lines and matches. Then when they begin to get hit, they find ways to just ban any winning bettor and confiscate the money.
They confiscate the money not only to profit themselves and put it back into marketing budget to get losing gamblers, but they also want to break any winning bettor so that they don't come back and make a new account and continue to gamble with them.
Instead of Cloudbet using this model and scamming people left and right, how about they just offer less betting lines and higher juice and not be an entirely thieving corporation?
Also their username has begun to get serious amounts of flags and some negative trust rating, and I hope it continues and they are completely banned from the site and their thread taken down. See their profile here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154563They have a legendary account and guess what, positive trust ratings mostly due to influencer marketing and signature campaigns. They are bringing in new suckers to steal money from. If they don't win it by gambling losses, they take the money by force. Any long term winner on the site will get KYC'd and served some sort of TOS to keep the funds, or they'll just hold it indefinitely and not even respond. I've seen it all.
Can we get rid of this thieving site? How about you return my money first, Cloudbet? Again, see the scam accusation thread and decide for yourself if these people should still have a place on bitcointalk as a legendary person. I don't think so. I will ask others who know about what is going on to weigh in on this thread and I hope you do keep it up. We need to clean up these scammers from the crypto community- they are obviously rampant with what they can get away with being anonymous.
Again they need to change their business model so that they don't need to scam people in order to survive as a casino.
They want to take $15,000 from me, out of my deposits and say since I am a winning account they can do that #1 and #2 they are saying that because I logged in from a USA IP and have a permanent residence in USA that I could not have been gambling on their account for 3 months from Mexico where I have been staying during the pandemic since I am out of work. I need the funds for my day to day life, they were processing tons of deposits and cashouts. See here all my deposits to the site.
Here are all of the deposits I had made to the site in the last days.
2020-09-20 02:03
-62.870026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2b5e75e192cdb526bdd9d2b533e7d2831a7c1b396dabb7c140d0d6d7f56f11ff2020-09-20 03:42
-30.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/01e511b44f7764c5c0777d5e05bb0a0469735dac1986f7e1c7ce88a3291658042020-09-20 03:42
-40.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/e65e1d247510d1b3eadfd9b60e60e684317aef3d05c89bcea63899e56f65e70f2020-09-20 04:35
-25.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b9ff51ded44267f6cb791115c22f6efd3e6601f74883c8c659b1a27e005f2a632020-09-21 04:06
-17.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4aba5056b29de5c859fbee68cd4d97cc0c62f0fe9569e7e919d82eda414b5db82020-09-21 04:46
-13.500043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e41abd57b82f45f79bd2f53ad54351c95bd31572fb4a6a5ae3cf2b7109069a72020-09-21 04:46
-7.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/a75034c751b2237dedcd1ce9e83f8e36c159ad7b46e54b2f428c46af42a3b4122020-09-21 06:46
-20.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/ef102b75b7d0203ab30d59220884f4e434a13708b338aa58f55d44a5cdf958bf2020-09-21 08:21
-10.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/5eaff8faf8d150b90401064fe08e6e2fbf57c9165c4293133c641121d999df3c2020-09-21 08:23
-5.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d7464120ea42e93516bd69b9480198602408f66002ff642340a5741b2bf8fda42020-09-21 09:11
-16.00004247:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/c68f163c2e0c96e1ee88ab16e6f4027de708a9c3a3c938a0c3630b652b5173ef2020-09-22 00:19
-40.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/95500ca4c75f1fccdfa8f7be857e0cb970ab65452a2d5652bedaeb0025b5a18e2020-09-22 03:16
-30.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/f275fba7618cb81e1703abc6db23ef861ef8ddb76ae43bd398bb0a27f241340b2020-09-22 08:32
-8.380026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/d33c583f3657e815293faa3c941ef334e36265b9425ed29480d3662d2fc40408THE FINAL DEPOSITS:
2020-09-23 04:47
-24.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c2020-09-23 06:29
-20.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a832020-09-23 07:36
-16.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b12020-09-23 11:25
-3.000043:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa2020-09-23 11:25
-11.000026:
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3FINAL CASHOUT REQUEST was around 67 BCH. Some other cashouts had been processed along the way without freezing the account yet.
I trusted them with tons of money and they waited until I deposited a lot of funds until they scammed me and took all the money. They also pulled an even worse move- they mis-graded a wager, the winning total was about $3,000. But my account balance at the time was about $30,000. I didn't notice the mis-grade, and they were telling me that since there was a mis-grade, ALL the bets I made after that should be voided because I didn't let them know personally and was playing with their funds. it was 10% of my account balance and I had no idea. It was a retire in a 2nd set and some books have different rules so I wouldn't know.
If they don't change they need to go. Where is the $15k Cloudbet.
-efxes
EDIT: UPDATE:
I have been working with Efxes to take down his story and I compiled a bunch of information from him and other people who have been scammed by Cloudbet.
https://cloudbetscams.com_______________________________________________________________________________
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EDIT UPDATE OCTOBER 8, 2020
Hey guys I just summed up the story quite well on twoplustwo and SBRforum.
[b]Here's a link to the article on cloudbetscamsDOTCOM's site:[/b] https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now. to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal. Here is the story:
I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.
I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit
1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/bc45fb9115e5ecbed7b7dad9e451c17199af77fc4c9f7f2271dca4184b3c6d482BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/85681098d5a25c32d13c51594b16be6c7eb5719f75778fed1fefc760583f4f033BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a710344ff678329f51768902280147I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cf139d036a7b561e940ccf9e0e2419a70838805b302771192100e49070c04d8band a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b1e4b40416eb4f471ed66ee7c5fd5679cee39f38b7240660ad5e0db6bd854528From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.
At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.
I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:
124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/cfafbb8455234532e8a25dd849d26b4755ab7c5e87e6acc0e3552e26b870ce2dI then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).
Those final deposits the final day can be found here:
24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/0aa77c3a5bc46f9dcd68f5cc5a8b3bc0022a489e6cb52169ec2f068d6200ac5c20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4a38b8c78869faac477e7599e3203c35aeb45df952bc47d0913668434f432a8316 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/2e7d94c62df064ca773b1d5f070bd66fa9f8e6dd43ecc3561f8eb8f3b9a054b13 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/acd56954dbd14b667ee8ee75c4ea15cf2657af95c700fcd458d5bace3f63f8aa11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/b18dc22fcc787e1bbcc36d9137b4debbdb8e923dcf52dcce9bb10eee1f5763d3So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.
Then I receive this:
Hi,
We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.
As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.
1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence
2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.
3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.
We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.
Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
--
Cloudbet security
Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:
I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:
Hello there, efxes,
I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.
I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.
The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.
Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.
Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.
Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.
In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.
Thanks for your understanding.
Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.
Best regards,
Team Cloudbet
So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.
They just want to steal the money.
Again this article can be found here:
https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/
