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Hi everyone. I received a negative feedback, but I really do not understand WHY. Admins and DT members please check the reference and please let me know what do you think. I really do not understand what I have done wrong. I started the topic asking why some people are leaving strange negative feedbacks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570. And now received a very strange feedback myself. Thank you in advance.

Here is my trust page. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2346317

That is normal from him, he does that to everybody no matter if you did something or not. Consider him as a Jester of bitcointalk forum, entertaining himself and us with scam accusations without any proof.

He is on the forum's administrator Theymos distrust list.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-13_Sat_04.07h/30747.html

~Vod's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (50) 7128 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

He should ban him for such behaviour. This is my old account and to boost it a little bit I paid for a copper membership almost $30. And now that idiot ruined my account without any reasons. I do not advise any one to purchase copper membership because it can be ruined any time by such individual as VOD.

If I correctly understood his statements in that posts, he even accused Theymos of running a ponzi in cooperation with OG NASTY.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56332507#msg56332507

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56334759#msg56334759

You have to have patience with vod.
He said he suffered brain death of approx 10%
I mean he red tagged someone that repeated this claim but said serious brain death.

Vod says 10% loss of brain function wasnt a serious loss I suppose.
Lol I guess I'd have to agree if you want split hairs. .

Like losing 10% of a near empty wallet isn't serious like losing 10% of a large fortune.

Vod is more weird and silly than malicious of greedy.

But sure is a trust abuser and scammer supporter. Take the debate to meta.
Ask if the reasoning behind the red tag is inline with what theymos intends to inflict on the forum or not.
Just state the reason dont get specific about vod. ..

So is it beneficial for the forum for red trust to be given for X
If we set a precedent that x can not form the basis for a red tag would that increase the value of red rags and prevent desensitization and dilution of legitmate and  credible and valuable warnings. ?

I mean willful and consistent trust abuse could really be seen as aiding and facilitating scammers to remain unnoticed or taken less seriously as a threat.

I honestly don't have a clue why he left you negative feedback for either that thread or the post that was referenced in the feedback.  I read your OP and didn't see anything malicious or suspicious, and I even merited the post.  Maybe Vod can stop by to explain why he left you the neg. 

Eh, he's left some pretty spot-on feedbacks in the past, and he voluntarily patrolled the Lending section for years, looking for and tagging shady members asking for no-collateral loans and the like.  So most of his feedback is good.  Since he had his stroke, however, he's changed somewhat.  I don't know if anyone else has noticed that or not, but it seems pretty obvious to me (unless there's more going on behind the scenes with him).

Let's await his response if he chooses to give one here.  Hopefully he will, because I'm a bit puzzled by that neg.

He tagged me for a multi merited thread. The feedback says that I am idiot and I am here to destabilize so I can steal and vanish. This sounds like a feedback from a psycho or from an inadequate person who is full of hate. I will wait for explanations and if I will not receive them, I will contact the admin once again and flag VOD. I hope that my flag will get some support. This type of behavior is inexcusable for a DT member. I have no desire of opening a new account and paying another $30 for a cooper membership, because I am not sure that VOD will not ruin it again.

Both of which will get you nowhere. Admins or moderators don't interfere in the trust system and a flag is not appropriate for this either.

Your options are: (1) work it out with Vod - perhaps the rating is a mistake, or (2) campaign to exclude Vod from DT.

As suchmoon pointed out, neither the moderators nor Theymos are going to get involved with this, so your best bet is to work it out with Vod.  I would start by removing the retaliatory feedback you left him, because that's considered abuse (or at least misuse) of the trust system and it doesn't help your case.

Vod is reasonable and is known to reverse his decisions based on new information or if a member has proven himself not to be a scammer over time.  Your account is not ruined and don't give up hope that the situation can be resolved.  Anyone looking at what Vod wrote should be able to see that there's no evidence that you're a threat with someone else's funds.  If I was going to trade with you and saw that neg, I'd have no trouble looking past it.  I can't speak for everyone else, but it's not as bad as it seems.

Then you should not be here.  Claiming people are pedophiles, or claiming they block free speech to hide things, are small white lies that eventually lead to serious crimes in a free-for-all forum.   The trust you and I have left each other will not hinder our ability to trade.   

I never claimed someone is a pedophile. I was and am very far from such kind of discussions. Please could you refer us to a quote where I called someone a pedophile? If not, I recommend you to remove your absolutely unfair feedback. When you are accusing someone of doing something wrong, you need to present some evidence. That how it works even in the court.

I never said you did.  See how quickly you resort to lying?


And Theymos has been paying you the entire time?  :o

I must admit that I was surprised to see Vod's feedback.  I don't know what caused that, but I have a suspicion.  Something about your style reminds me of some one who's been red-tagged for various reasons, but I don't see any hard evidence linking you to that individual.  Maybe Vod is more convinced than I am.  Or maybe it was just a mistake.  He could have misinterpreted one of your posts, took it the wrong way.

The first thing I would recommend to you is to not use the feedback system for retaliation.  That will only hurt your chances of working this out with Vod.  Second, send Vod a PM and ask him for the specific reasons behind his feedback.  If it is a mistake, he'll remove it.  He's been very reasonable and accommodating in similar past situations.

I'm not believing he is anyone else.  He brags he paid money to bypass the moderation here, so he is looking to get his value back.  You can't start out by making up small lies, as I have more experience than anyone else that a lie can be picked up and run with when there is no truth to it.    The fact he went to leaving me negative back hints to me I was correct.

Than wat is that?


I read your feedbacks where numerous people call you that name, and they even posted a links to some websites. Dude, I do not care about your feedbacks, and I do not care who are you, and what are you doing. If you think all that people are me, that you must be insane. I registered this profile in 2018 and started to use it couple of days ago. To boost it and to be able of posting pictures, I paid around  $30 for my copper membership. I am asking you last time. Why am I as you said an idiot who is here to destabilize, steal and vanish? P.S. If you think I an someone else you have to present evidence. The problem is that you can not. Lets ask the admin to check my IP and if it will match someone's else I will post an official excuse and will leave this forum. So please ADMINS check my IP and if I am right please ban VOD for his inappropriate behavior. 

Vod is the biggest loser in life . He gives neg feedback 5 times a day.
More interesting though is his trust site.
He had flags against him and has countless red feedbacks.
I bet he is the biggest scammer here but says everybody else is a scammer.

50 years old and hanging in a forum half a day writing 30+posts/day. Classic loser without a job.

Um, he's a retired Police Officer.  You know what the word retired means, right?

Thank you for your advice. I think I will proceed with that option. Because there is no other way to convince user VOD that I am not the person or persons who attacked him with very bad claims. Actually I never believed some internet trolls, because I was a witness of a coordinated attack on a twitter profile of one public person organized by trolls. There are so many examples of such activities on social networks. But VOD's reaction was very surprising for me. Instead of ignoring that claims he went mad and now thinks that all the world is against him. That is not the reaction of not guilty person.The campaign to exclude Vod from DT will start tomorrow unless he will not remove his feedback.

HE MUST BE IMPEACHED, LIKE SOMEONE ELSE, WHO IS ON HIS WAY OF IMPEACHMENT.  

You convinced me.  You are just a newbie liar, not a professional one.  I do not think you are an alt of anyone.  

There you go.   Bottom lip fixed and no longer quivering?


It's almost like I can predict the future with these liars.  :)

Where did I lie? No evidence for that either. Ok. As far you are refusing to remove your wrong feedback, I will start with mentioned campaign tomorrow. If you think you are allowed to do whatever you want here on this forum, you are totally wrong. Accusing someone of being a liar without presenting any evidence, is against rules here and in the real life it is a crime.

No, it's not.

Sorry, maybe I was wrong again.  :/  But I don't remember going insane and claiming the world is against me.  Guess I should shut up before I incriminate myself further.  :/


While there are consequences for calling someone a child rapist with no proof, people lie all the time.   

Why are you so concentrates on that matter? Just ignore all that calls if you have nothing to hide. I repeat I don't give a s***t if you really did that creasy things. It is not my business, but for some suspicious people your behavior regarding that calls, will look more than strange. Let's ask our retired Police Officer.


I use to smoke a lot of weed in the school and some girls called me a drug addict psycho. But I never gave a s***t about that calls. So why are you paying so much attention to that people? Just forget them, and take care about more important things in your life, instead of following some crazy individuals.

School is the worst time to inhibit your learning skills with weed.  I had a puff just out of the army, almost threw up from coughing, and didn't try it again until I was 35.  Besides the massive gaps of knowledge you lost, that choice you made will make you more aggressive and less tolerant of others in life.  I look forward to the entertaining campaign you will start tomorrow.   

Your behavior is forcing me to believe that you are hiding something. Also your posts in this thread will make more people believe that you are really related to those unbelievable accusations. That's what you wanted? I don't think so. I really tried my best to avoid this stupid confrontation with you, but it seems to me there is no other way. See you in my new campaign thread where we all will find out who is who.

I doubt that people will believe OG's hateful lies just because I called you a liar as well.  Unless you bring it up - and then this becomes a threat, which I ignore.  :)  I hope you bring more than your little extortion, because this thread campaign died fast.  Try again tomorrow.   :/

That wud be you posting out of context, like OG does.  He even merited you for it.  :)

OK, scam busters.  When have you known CH to shut up when confronted?   I have OG genuinely concerned how I'm able to detect him so easy. 

So you are tagging everyone who received merits from OG? Also you are adding OG's enemies to your trust list like you did with red tagged user
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1170966? And you think it is a proper behavior?

Luckily, no one believes your lies anymore.  Do you feel it was OK to merit everyone who supported OG?  Even asking others to merit the scammer for you?

Bye.

I'm not sure that is true in all cases.

If you say someone has told a lie on this forum but refuse to produce evidence when called to do so. Then continue to promulgate this then that could certainly be trolling.

Theymos should place that requirement more strongly.

Any action you claim a person has taken on this forum should immediately be corroborated with evidence when challenged or recant it and apologize.

I mean that is exactly the sort of meta thread that should gain traction and theymos take seriously.

What is the point of a forum with endless groundless accusations and intentional calculated lies?


@vod

Stop being a fool.

I have only so much time for bct these days.  Along with this as I have stated previously I dont view you as a greedy scammer. Therefore I have less incentive to crush you than others that have now left and some that remain.
Besides which you seem genuinely unstable emotionally.
I think you are mistaking my going easier on you than some others as lack of willing to engage in a full he said she said merry go round where you just scream the same accusations whilst refusing to produce a scrap of evidence to support it  

That is clearly useful for bumps but it is much the same as someone hitting reply with no content in the reply box. It is only worth spending limited time on it until they bring something new to destroy.

You fail to realize that I view those that make accusations regarding behaviors on bct but then are unable to produce evidence as pretty much self defeating.  They are already surrendering and unwilling to engage.  What more need one do to demonstrate to the objective reader that accuser is also a liar. Going in circles after that on the same point, must be useful as a bump only.
Those bumps can be picked up on whenever. Leaving a person who is determined to win is impossible, leaving someone who knows they've already lost and continually demonstrates their words are hollow or lies is easy to discard.  Most people who realize they can not produced evidence to back their claims just leave, as they know it's already over for that particular debate. You vod have no such clue.

You're not confronting anyone without evidence vod. You are simply demonstrating you dare not attempt to field a strong case to support your words at best or youre just telling lies. Either way nobody else is required to defeat your claims.  You've already achieved that by yourself.

Like suchmoon and the others screaming mega troll then running away from producing a single example to corroborate.

You are correct OG.  I will never be confronting you without evidence. 

@Waldaniam if you think Vod is rude then check my profile and you will see what rude actually means :)

I know vod is strict but I won't call him an abuser.

Nobody cares what noobs think. Especially when they are undeniably spouting crap.
You probably wouldn't view your parents as abusers. Clearly merging their DNA is gene pool abuse and abusive to humankind and the planet. This again is a strong point I doubt that  unassisted you could strongly refute.

Try reading vods bullshit basis for his red tags. They range from lies to clear derangement and memory loss.
Vod is a hazard to this forums trust system.

Then have another try. There is nothing wrong with being rude depending on the situation but being a liar or deliberately misleading people is wrong.

But nutildah said you smell like garlic and I don't like that smell so I am going to stay away.