USER VOD ABUSING TRUST SYSTEM

[Waldaniam]

Hi everyone. I received a negative feedback, but I really do not understand WHY. Admins and DT members please check the reference and please let me know what do you think. I really do not understand what I have done wrong. I started the topic asking why some people are leaving strange negative feedbacks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570. And now received a very strange feedback myself. Thank you in advance.

Here is my trust page. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2346317

[kay-cee]

That is normal from him, he does that to everybody no matter if you did something or not. Consider him as a Jester of bitcointalk forum, entertaining himself and us with scam accusations without any proof.

[Waldaniam]

That is normal from him, he does that to everybody no matter if you did something or not. Consider him as a Jester of bitcointalk forum, entertaining himself and us with scam accusations without any proof.

He is on the forum's administrator Theymos distrust list.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-13_Sat_04.07h/30747.html

~Vod's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (50) 7128 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

He should ban him for such behaviour. This is my old account and to boost it a little bit I paid for a copper membership almost $30. And now that idiot ruined my account without any reasons. I do not advise any one to purchase copper membership because it can be ruined any time by such individual as VOD.

If I correctly understood his statements in that posts, he even accused Theymos of running a ponzi in cooperation with OG NASTY.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56332507#msg56332507

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56334759#msg56334759

[Laudanum]

That is normal from him, he does that to everybody no matter if you did something or not. Consider him as a Jester of bitcointalk forum, entertaining himself and us with scam accusations without any proof.

He is on the forum's administrator Theymos distrust list.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-13_Sat_04.07h/30747.html

~Vod's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (50) 7128 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

He should ban him for such behaviour. This is my old account and to boost it a little bit I paid for a copper membership almost $30. And now that idiot ruined my account without any reasons. I do not advise any one to purchase copper membership because it can be ruined any time by such individual as VOD.

If I correctly understood his statements in that posts, he even accused Theymos of running a ponzi in cooperation with OG NASTY.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56332507#msg56332507

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56334759#msg56334759

You have to have patience with vod.
He said he suffered brain death of approx 10%
I mean he red tagged someone that repeated this claim but said serious brain death.

Vod says 10% loss of brain function wasnt a serious loss I suppose.
Lol I guess I'd have to agree if you want split hairs. .

Like losing 10% of a near empty wallet isn't serious like losing 10% of a large fortune.

Vod is more weird and silly than malicious of greedy.

But sure is a trust abuser and scammer supporter. Take the debate to meta.
Ask if the reasoning behind the red tag is inline with what theymos intends to inflict on the forum or not.
Just state the reason dont get specific about vod. ..

So is it beneficial for the forum for red trust to be given for X
If we set a precedent that x can not form the basis for a red tag would that increase the value of red rags and prevent desensitization and dilution of legitmate and  credible and valuable warnings. ?

I mean willful and consistent trust abuse could really be seen as aiding and facilitating scammers to remain unnoticed or taken less seriously as a threat.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I honestly don't have a clue why he left you negative feedback for either that thread or the post that was referenced in the feedback.  I read your OP and didn't see anything malicious or suspicious, and I even merited the post.  Maybe Vod can stop by to explain why he left you the neg. 

That is normal from him, he does that to everybody no matter if you did something or not. Consider him as a Jester of bitcointalk forum, entertaining himself and us with scam accusations without any proof.

Eh, he's left some pretty spot-on feedbacks in the past, and he voluntarily patrolled the Lending section for years, looking for and tagging shady members asking for no-collateral loans and the like.  So most of his feedback is good.  Since he had his stroke, however, he's changed somewhat.  I don't know if anyone else has noticed that or not, but it seems pretty obvious to me (unless there's more going on behind the scenes with him).

Let's await his response if he chooses to give one here.  Hopefully he will, because I'm a bit puzzled by that neg.

[Waldaniam]

I honestly don't have a clue why he left you negative feedback for either that thread or the post that was referenced in the feedback.  I read your OP and didn't see anything malicious or suspicious, and I even merited the post.  Maybe Vod can stop by to explain why he left you the neg.  
However, he's changed somewhat.  I don't know if anyone else has noticed that or not, but it seems pretty obvious to me (unless there's more going on behind the scenes with him).

He tagged me for a multi merited thread. The feedback says that I am idiot and I am here to destabilize so I can steal and vanish. This sounds like a feedback from a psycho or from an inadequate person who is full of hate. I will wait for explanations and if I will not receive them, I will contact the admin once again and flag VOD. I hope that my flag will get some support. This type of behavior is inexcusable for a DT member. I have no desire of opening a new account and paying another $30 for a cooper membership, because I am not sure that VOD will not ruin it again.

[suchmoon]

I will contact the admin once again and flag VOD. I hope that my flag will get some support.

Both of which will get you nowhere. Admins or moderators don't interfere in the trust system and a flag is not appropriate for this either.

Your options are: (1) work it out with Vod - perhaps the rating is a mistake, or (2) campaign to exclude Vod from DT.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I will contact the admin once again and flag VOD.

As suchmoon pointed out, neither the moderators nor Theymos are going to get involved with this, so your best bet is to work it out with Vod.  I would start by removing the retaliatory feedback you left him, because that's considered abuse (or at least misuse) of the trust system and it doesn't help your case.

Vod is reasonable and is known to reverse his decisions based on new information or if a member has proven himself not to be a scammer over time.  Your account is not ruined and don't give up hope that the situation can be resolved.  Anyone looking at what Vod wrote should be able to see that there's no evidence that you're a threat with someone else's funds.  If I was going to trade with you and saw that neg, I'd have no trouble looking past it.  I can't speak for everyone else, but it's not as bad as it seems.

[Vod]

I really do not understand what I have done wrong.

Then you should not be here.  Claiming people are pedophiles, or claiming they block free speech to hide things, are small white lies that eventually lead to serious crimes in a free-for-all forum.   The trust you and I have left each other will not hinder our ability to trade.   

[Waldaniam]

I really do not understand what I have done wrong.

Then you should not be here.  Claiming people are pedophiles, or claiming they block free speech to hide things, are small white lies that eventually lead to serious crimes in a free-for-all forum.   The trust you and I have left each other will not hinder our ability to trade.  

I never claimed someone is a pedophile. I was and am very far from such kind of discussions. Please could you refer us to a quote where I called someone a pedophile? If not, I recommend you to remove your absolutely unfair feedback. When you are accusing someone of doing something wrong, you need to present some evidence. That how it works even in the court.

[Vod]

I never claimed someone is a pedophile. I was and am very far from such kind of discussions. Please could you refer to a quote where I called someone a pedophile? If not, I recommend you to remove your absolutely unfair feedback. When you are accusing someone of doing something wrong, you need to present some evidence. That how it works even in the court.

I never said you did.  See how quickly you resort to lying?

I mean willful and consistent trust abuse could really be seen as aiding and facilitating scammers to remain unnoticed or taken less seriously as a threat.

And Theymos has been paying you the entire time? 

[DireWolfM14]

I must admit that I was surprised to see Vod's feedback.  I don't know what caused that, but I have a suspicion.  Something about your style reminds me of some one who's been red-tagged for various reasons, but I don't see any hard evidence linking you to that individual.  Maybe Vod is more convinced than I am.  Or maybe it was just a mistake.  He could have misinterpreted one of your posts, took it the wrong way.

The first thing I would recommend to you is to not use the feedback system for retaliation.  That will only hurt your chances of working this out with Vod.  Second, send Vod a PM and ask him for the specific reasons behind his feedback.  If it is a mistake, he'll remove it.  He's been very reasonable and accommodating in similar past situations.

[Vod]

I must admit that I was surprised to see Vod's feedback.  I don't know what caused that, but I have a suspicion.  Something about your style reminds me of some one who's been red-tagged for various reasons, but I don't see any hard evidence linking you to that individual.  Maybe Vod is more convinced that I am.  Or maybe it was just a mistake.  He could have misinterpreted one of your posts, took it the wrong way.

I'm not believing he is anyone else.  He brags he paid money to bypass the moderation here, so he is looking to get his value back.  You can't start out by making up small lies, as I have more experience than anyone else that a lie can be picked up and run with when there is no truth to it.    The fact he went to leaving me negative back hints to me I was correct.

[Waldaniam]

I must admit that I was surprised to see Vod's feedback.  I don't know what caused that, but I have a suspicion.  Something about your style reminds me of some one who's been red-tagged for various reasons, but I don't see any hard evidence linking you to that individual.  Maybe Vod is more convinced that I am.  Or maybe it was just a mistake.  He could have misinterpreted one of your posts, took it the wrong way.

I'm not believing he is anyone else.  He brags he paid money to bypass the moderation here, so he is looking to get his value back.  You can't start out by making up small lies, as I have more experience than anyone else that a lie can be picked up and run with when there is no truth to it.    The fact he went to leaving me negative back hints to me I was correct.

I never claimed someone is a pedophile. I was and am very far from such kind of discussions. Please could you refer to a quote where I called someone a pedophile? If not, I recommend you to remove your absolutely unfair feedback. When you are accusing someone of doing something wrong, you need to present some evidence. That how it works even in the court.

I never said you did.  See how quickly you resort to lying?

Than wat is that?

Then you should not be here.  Claiming people are pedophiles,

I read your feedbacks where numerous people call you that name, and they even posted a links to some websites. Dude, I do not care about your feedbacks, and I do not care who are you, and what are you doing. If you think all that people are me, that you must be insane. I registered this profile in 2018 and started to use it couple of days ago. To boost it and to be able of posting pictures, I paid around  $30 for my copper membership. I am asking you last time. Why am I as you said an idiot who is here to destabilize, steal and vanish? P.S. If you think I an someone else you have to present evidence. The problem is that you can not. Lets ask the admin to check my IP and if it will match someone's else I will post an official excuse and will leave this forum. So please ADMINS check my IP and if I am right please ban VOD for his inappropriate behavior. 

[scammed-by-nitro]

I must admit that I was surprised to see Vod's feedback.  I don't know what caused that, but I have a suspicion.  Something about your style reminds me of some one who's been red-tagged for various reasons, but I don't see any hard evidence linking you to that individual.  Maybe Vod is more convinced that I am.  Or maybe it was just a mistake.  He could have misinterpreted one of your posts, took it the wrong way.

I'm not believing he is anyone else.  He brags he paid money to bypass the moderation here, so he is looking to get his value back.  You can't start out by making up small lies, as I have more experience than anyone else that a lie can be picked up and run with when there is no truth to it.    The fact he went to leaving me negative back hints to me I was correct.

Vod is the biggest loser in life . He gives neg feedback 5 times a day.
More interesting though is his trust site.
He had flags against him and has countless red feedbacks.
I bet he is the biggest scammer here but says everybody else is a scammer.

50 years old and hanging in a forum half a day writing 30+posts/day. Classic loser without a job.

[DireWolfM14]

50 years old and hanging in a forum half a day writing 30+posts/day. Classic loser without a job.

Um, he's a retired Police Officer.  You know what the word retired means, right?

[Waldaniam]

(2) campaign to exclude Vod from DT.

Thank you for your advice. I think I will proceed with that option. Because there is no other way to convince user VOD that I am not the person or persons who attacked him with very bad claims. Actually I never believed some internet trolls, because I was a witness of a coordinated attack on a twitter profile of one public person organized by trolls. There are so many examples of such activities on social networks. But VOD's reaction was very surprising for me. Instead of ignoring that claims he went mad and now thinks that all the world is against him. That is not the reaction of not guilty person.The campaign to exclude Vod from DT will start tomorrow unless he will not remove his feedback.

HE MUST BE IMPEACHED, LIKE SOMEONE ELSE, WHO IS ON HIS WAY OF IMPEACHMENT.  

[Vod]

Thank you for your advice. I think I will proceed with that option. Because there is no other way to convince user VOD that I am not the person or persons who attacked him with very bad claims.

You convinced me.  You are just a newbie liar, not a professional one.  I do not think you are an alt of anyone.  

There you go.   Bottom lip fixed and no longer quivering?

Instead of ignoring that claims he went mad and now thinks that all the world is against him.

It's almost like I can predict the future with these liars. 

[Waldaniam]

You convinced me.  You are just a newbie liar, not a professional one.

Where did I lie? No evidence for that either. Ok. As far you are refusing to remove your wrong feedback, I will start with mentioned campaign tomorrow. If you think you are allowed to do whatever you want here on this forum, you are totally wrong. Accusing someone of being a liar without presenting any evidence, is against rules here and in the real life it is a crime.

[actmyname]

Accusing someone of being a liar without presenting any evidence, is against rules here

No, it's not.