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Hello.

I asked a withdrawal in a website, using dogecoin (so Child Pays for Parent transaction only can be used on bitcoin, not doge). The assistance says that the wallet provider, automatically set the transaction with  0.70682430 DOGE as fee, it s just 0.03eur or 0.04 dollars. They also say "we cannot do anything for now. We can't send you another WD because it can be confirmed anytime." Of course There's not a precise time when the transaction will disappear from the network, it could be days or up to weeks. They said me "please explain to me how to delete the transaction if you know, i will do everything i could if it makes sense". Any suggestion?

You tell us nothing. Which site you tried withdraw your DOGE? Is it a gambling site? So you posted on this thread? And what about the low fee like that? I never see any site charge doge withdrawal with such low fee like that

Your Doge must have arrived to your wallet by now even with a low fee like that. Don't blame the dog hehe. It's not the his fault that the wallet provider chose that fee.

Judging from his post history, he was probably trying to withdraw from Betnomi.

I agree. The fee was too low if we're talking about platforms that doesn't allow you to customize. It should have been at least 1 DOGE.

Yes. It's a gambling site. The transaction is here https://blockchair.com/dogecoin/transaction/f51e52aa1485ff6baf824e22be45dc33a421d3203a2a5d7292de72e19b7d4819.

Which gambling site? Got a little shock when i see the hash ( can't believe they used very small fee like that). Your WD also got pending for 5 days, dunno it can be accelerated like bitcoin or not for faster confirmed.

I see, all he can do only waiting his WD arrive on his wallet then.

I don't know what to do. I am waiting for advices!? Can a gambling site feel free of responsabilities for this error? They say that they can't send me a new withdrawal and that they are not responsible(it was an error of the wallet provider)? The truth is that this situation can be stuck for days,weeks,months!!? A gambler for definition loses almost ever. One time, he win, should not he be treated with more respect?

I tried to search for a way to accelerate but I only found this reply on a reddit post "The best way is to resend dogecoins from same UTXO with appropriate fee." but it's more complicated in your case since you don't control the wallet.

What a lame excuse. Did they say they do not plan on following up? They can send a request to the wallet provider they hired or partnered with to fix the issue.

Unfortunately, that is the case, yes. The transaction is still "unconfirmed" after 5 days due to the very low fees.
You have 2 options now:

• Wait until the transaction is confirmed at some point. But as you said, this can take an indefinite time.
• The sender of the transaction can "replace" it and put it back into the mempool with a higher fee. Then it is usually confirmed very quickly. But as I said, only the casino can do this, so you are dependent on their good will.

I would ask support again if they would replace the transaction, this time just with a higher fee.

another relevant fact is that the price of Dogecoin fell in these days. So If the transaction goes now, I lose "something like" 30% of my withdrawal. However I am waiting. The assistance said they will reply me on this problem.

Gambling site is completely responsible for this but you can't do anything about it, Doge is one of the cheapest coin to transact but still the site used very low fee which is unacceptable as a player to be honest. They will reply that wait until it gets
confirmed, nothing is going to be new.

Why didn't you mention the name of the gambling site here as it will help others to avoid the casino at least for a while until they have better way to process user's withdrawals.
Or at least post your issue on their ANN thread (if any), I'm wondering which site is this as I do believe that most reputable casinos wont process withdrawal with such low fee.
You have read some suggestion above, bring it to the admin/support of the casino where you make this withdrawal.

For clarity sake, can you mention how much you exactly withdrew op? Am curious about this since I will be more careful with Betnomi(based on what the posters above suggested) at present.

I regularly place bets there which is why this information could be helpful to me and others. Coming to your withdrawal, if the TX doesn't get confirmed automatically, it is upto the site to resolve this one way or another.

Could you mention on what website you're talking on?

In speaking with blockchain transactions then its totally irreversible once you had processed the payment or sent out then theres nothing you can do to delete or cancel it out
unless if its rejected by miners due to very low fee.

Site owners wont really be willing to sent out again just because your transaction get stucked.You dont have any choice but to wait up for that transaction to
confirmed up.

although im also using an altcoin for gambling i never experience a 5 days delay because my transactions are always process no matter what is the value of the altcoins high or low but i guess that is because im playing on a good casinos .
 im not sure if op only experience this problem because if there are other players experience this problem , they can learn from that and they wont use a verry low fee next time because those players can also complain
. they shouldnt wait for their name to get popular because of complaints .

6 days and still unconfirmed. I thought that Dogecoin is one of the fastest in confirmation time but this is a rare case that even Doge as the known crypto to be one of the cheapest and quite good in confirmation still gets stuck. There's no way that we can do to help you but just as suggested by Lakai, you can ask help from the support to do the 2nd option that he has given.

If transaction Stuck over 2 weeks it will automatically return to the sender
I hope that site doesn't scam using this method.
I mean I hope they didn't send the transaction with small fee to scam inexperienced people .
However learn more about doge chain
Im 100% sure the doges will return after a time limit. .

I find this to be odd, for the most part the most common complain that I hear from gamblers when it comes to the fees of the casino is that they are too high, casinos prefer to send higher fees in order to avoid the situation that the OP is experiencing, casinos like to give fast confirmations to their clients so there is no doubt in the mind of their customers they are not trying to scam them.

Dogecoin is famous for its fast confirmations and low fees but even Dogecoin has its limits, after 6 days the transaction has not been confirmed due to the low transaction fee and even if the transaction is eventually removed from the mempool if the wallet provider once again gives such a low fee then you are not going to get a confirmation either, so if you do not get a confirmation try to talk to the casino support and see if they can send you a transaction with a higher fee so you do not have to go through this again.

The amount of the withdrawal was 250 eur=4347.03120728 doges . Today 4347.03120728 doges =190.96 Euro. ??? (I lost my right to exchange doge in other crypto before doge price fell and the gambling site is not going to refund for this..)

The website in question paid two withdrawal of 100 eur in the previous days (I received it when they sent it, the transaction fee was higher in both cases 1.65090366 DOGE).

(I hope that site doesn't scam using this method.) They paid two withdrawal before and they say it's an error of the wallet provider. So It could be really they have not huge responsabilities and they can't do nothing, however this situation is very strange and stressful. I wonder how can the wallet provider be wrong? just with my transaction?

(if you do not get a confirmation try to talk to the casino support and see if they can send you a transaction with a higher fee) They only say: I and they have to wait, they are trying to see how they can deleting the transaction and getting a new one..

(If transaction Stuck over 2 weeks it will automatically return to the sender) I hope it is true, can you refer where you read it?

OP can you please confirm the name of the gambling site for reference? I would want to avoid it in the future. It's their duty to ensure that once the network's fees change, they should also update their withdrawal fees such that those who want faster transactions can also stay happy and satisfied.

It has Quicker confirmations but the blocks carry very few transactions, sometimes even just 1 transaction despite the network having 1,000+ unconfirmed transactions in the mempool. This is what happens when a coin suddenly becomes popular, and yet it wasn't designed to process lots of transactions.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/Z00WT.png

It's the only one gambling site cited by other users in this thread.

Do you mean Betnomi? But why don't you speak just for yourself? Its your money right then there is nothing wrong about mentioning the site where you are facing issues then only people can help you to get resolved.

I agree on that. That's all because of the popularity that's being brought on it by Elon. I think this is the first time that it has processed a lot of transactions due to the bull run and also with the help of Elon publishing it on his twitter handle.

I was looking for this thread that's being asked in the past about it but have found none. But for the other altcoins that whenever their transaction got stuck for a long time at least 2 weeks, it will be dropped by the network. It could be the same as Doge but I have no reference with that.

We will repeat what our live chat support said to you regarding this issue.
There is not much that can be done in this case but to wait. If the transaction gets confirmed, then you are all set.
In the event the transaction fails/ is dropped, we will simply resend the payment to you.

But this is not the actual way of treating the player and what is going to be the response for the loss of value in the meanwhile time because Doge is the cheapest coin to transact but still the site processed with too low fee to get stuck?...

I think you should work on updating the withdrawal fees every time major changes happen in the market like in this bull run. When Bitcoin and Ether fees spike for weeks or months, it simply means that most other altcoins are also going to experience higher fees for quicker confirmations.

A customer should never be punished just because of negligence from the casino's side. Use this a learning lesson and improve on withdrawals as soon as possible.

Well, I thought this Dogecoin has the cheapest fee and has the fastest transaction speed. Is the system will not automatically set a required amount of fee to the network that will never be stuck? However, Op perhaps has a reason why OP choose Dogecoin to withdraw to think that it is very quick to withdraw but how come it will take a longer time, it sounds not good here. A good casino should always have updates upon their deposit/withdrawal fees because this is a very important aspect that most gamblers looking at.

The exchange has no responsibility anymore when they push already the transaction to the blockchain since the user itself apply the fee before he withdraw. They reply fair enough base on the statement that betnomi provide on your quoted post above. The loss in value is the cons of using a highly volatile coin.

Exchanges has the habit of increasing the fee or fixed fee which is always higher than the actual transaction fee this also can be opted by casinos but they never send a fee for a coin which just need cents for the fastest confirmation isn't acceptable becuase people can use any coin for the same bet but if they choose Doge means they expect everything faster.

I agree, I am glad that one of the casino representatives took the time to answer in this thread and while they are technically correct, since once you send the transaction there is nothing they can do except to wait and see if the transaction gets confirmed or if its dropped from the mempool, at the same time the OP has had to wait for 13 days already and there is no confirmation and that is a long time.

Which means that in the case they have the resend the transaction to the OP, as it is the most likely scenario at the moment, if they use once again such a cheap fee the OP will be once again in this situation, so casinos need to check very closely the amount they send as a fee as waiting 13 days just for a chance to receive your payment is simply unacceptable.

The main problem is that the casino sent the withdrawal with so low fee, so basically it is the casino's responsibility if the withdrawal stuck on the mempool for too long time. Casino should give a better fee, at least use the minimum best fee to get the withdrawal confirmed fast. I'm pretty sure the user chose dogecoin because he thinks that he will get the money faster than other coins. It is not acceptable if the casino sent the withdrawal with such low fee that makes the withdrawal stuck.

Betnomi is kind of washing their hands here and putting the blame on the wallet provider since they are responsible for setting the fees and updating it. It should be interesting to see their next response if the transaction didn't drop from the Dogecoin mempool and remains unconfirmed for the next two weeks.

In the next 9 hours, the transaction reach 14 days without being confirmed so there should be canceled. The assistence of Betnomi said they will set a new transaction ( but they didn't specify if they will set a higher fee manually this time). I have just asked the assistance to withdraw in bitcoin to avoid new problems. I will let you know their answer.

Betnomi is the one who can handle this one, and they are communicating with you already so I don't see any big problem here aside from the inconvenience has caused to you. Casinos are using small fees for withdrawals most of the time and some already have a fixed amount of fees, and I think this is not suitable anymore especially if the market is highly congested, and not unless you're willing to pay for a higher fees.

That's a record for Doge that I didn't experienced and never heard from someone. I hope that this problem of yours with Doge shall be solved when you get a newer transaction. We'll wait for your update and I know that it will be solved any time soon.

There's no connection about his transaction and the drop or rise of Dogecoin's price.

And its Dogecoin which is why I said it isn't unacceptable, casinos sent the transactions in batch then why they don't want to set the right fee while making the transaction, if wallet providers having such issues then it should be sorted out as soon as possible because it is not good for the future of any casinos.

If they will set a new transaction, they have to make sure that they are going to do it with higher fee than what they spent on your stuck withdrawal.
It wont be more unacceptable if they do the same mistake for the new transaction.
If I'm the admin/owner of the casino, I will give you a compensation for the inconvenience although just a small amount or a bonus such as free spin or free bet on the site.

Some sort of compensation due to inconvenience? that would really be giving out some good impressions towards the site but honestly they do have fault on that one

so it is just right or ethical on giving out those bonuses or free spins due to that situation.This is why I do always prefer on seeing gambling sites that does have
dynamic fees rather than into those static ones and also same goes to have an option on how fast you do like for transaction to be
confirmed.

14 days is such a long wait, this could happen to anyone on any gambling site that fails to update the transaction fees, when Betnomi specify that they are going to set up a new transaction that means they are sending Doge again with a much higher fee for the transaction to push through, of course, they do not want to face issues again by sending low fees, they want to fix this issues, hope the transaction push through and you can get your Doge and move forward.

Hi, I didn't use my main email for registering here and I lost the access to my BITCOINTALK account mathematics_lover.  However, this thread got popularity and so I wanted to give an update.  Finally 10 hours ago  the withdrawal was canceled after approximatively 14 days and 12 hour. I asked a new withdrawal to Betnomi assistence (  this time in bitcoin). I am waiting updates from them.

Just as expected and the same with other altcoins when they'll drop transactions, the estimation is correct about 2 weeks.. That's a long wait for you but they're aware of your transaction and will assist you as soon as possible. Once it's already okay and solved, you can close the thread after that.

No you can't say this 2week rule applies to all altcoins. It's a bitcoin mempool rule and before it was even 72hours, so there is no guarantee it would work like this for a random altcoin.  

It's good that it's not stuck anymore, but it's also sad that it's been such a long time. Honestly, I haven't heard about DOGE transactions getting stuck before. I haven't really used altcoins since 2017, and back then it was typical for Bitcoin transactions to get stuck when you don't pay very high fees, but transactions of Dogecoin were very fast and cheap. I think it's a casino's mistake that they didn't choose the appropriate fees, but then again they couldn't improve the situation afterwards either. Bitcoin transactions are still very expensive, but since your sum of money is significant as well, I think it's worth to pay high fees to get done with it all.

No I don't think they couldn't do anything, I think they just didn't want to or didn't know how to manage this pretty elementary issue. A double spend transaction with the same UTXO and higher fees or a Child Pays For Parent transaction would have solve the problem quite easily IMO.

The transaction with 0,7 DOGE fee would have confirmed within seconds if it was done in 2017. The lowest transaction fee that I've seen on Blockchair data over the last three months was around 1.6 DOGE so it puzzles everyone why Betnomi's wallet provider used below 1.

Hey nakamura12 you should read more carefully the threads before posting like a blind man  8) LOL Mathematics_lover has already got back his doges, he told it at the top of the page  :P

I hope you have received your money now. There has been some complaints recently about delayed withdrawals from this casino. Betnomi had already stated that they would upgrade their system to eliminate these delays so it surprises me that all these months later there are still issues.

I just did a random guess and assumed that it's the same as the other altcoins and with coincidence, it did happened. But I agree to you that it's not applicable to all altcoins.
I didn't said about all altcoins but just said that it happens for other altcoins.

I don't know why they had delayed withdrawal in altcoins since as I know dogecoins have a fast transaction than the bitcoin, I'm in Betnomi signature before and I think the withdrawal was faster than I ever thought, just a couple of hours my withdrawal comes into my main wallet. I can't imagine waiting for 14 days for the withdrawal of dogecoin.

I hope they will give you a better service, it will I guess affect to their reputation if there are some cases like this. I hope that your coin will get you soon and if waiting another 14 days is a really terrible thing, it's almost 1 month.

Not all blockchains are designed in the same way as Bitcoin. OP clearly stated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5317581) that the betnomi support told him that it's not possible to perform a CPFP transaction on Dogecoin blockchain.

I blame them for not adjusting their optimal withdrawal fees with the changing times. No customer has to wait for 2 weeks to first have the transaction get dropped off the mempool due to very low fees.

Why it would be impossible to make a Child Pays For Parent transaction on a mined blockchain I don't understand?  ??? There is no reason for that. If miners don't mine a transaction because its fees are too low, I don't understand why they wouldn't mine its child carrying bigger fees.

Because dogecoin blockchain is slightly different from the way Bitcoin operates. That's why.

Let's use a simple example because I am pretty sure you are at least familiar with Ethereum. When your transaction is stuck in the Ethereum blockchain, is it possible to perform RBF (Replace By Fee) or a CPFP transaction just like it is the case for Bitcoin transactions?

I hope you understand my argument  ;)

Dogecoin is a fork of Bitcoin and ancestor fee mining is implemented in it's code. It should be possible to do CPFP on Doge.
The only reason I can think of for Betnomi not being able to do this is because of the wallet software they are using or maybe they just didn't know how to do it.


I agree with this. The error was entirely their fault and we have seen the price move around a lot in these past few weeks. Not only is it an inconvenience but their was also potential financial damage done by not being able to trade the coin when it was at a higher price.

I wouldn't bet on that... As FinneysTrueVision said above the Dogecoin code is a fork of BTC one, so it is very similar to bitcoin and the mining process has no reason to not be the same, at least in its basic principles. A proof of that : it has released the transaction from the mempool after 2 weeks exactly like Bitcoin would have done...  

The withdrawal was canceled 2 days ago but you didn't send me the new withdrawal. Also,I didn't receive comunications. In the chat, they are continuing to say that they are waiting informations from the "Manager"..but they are not saying me nothing..

It is really frustrating to wait for two week to get a withdrawal and the price had a major correction from that situation and still you are waiting for the transaction is super irritating to say the least. It is better to avoid sites like these which tests your patience and i was following the thread to know what is happening and i thought your problems were sorted and hence you went silent but for the situation to continue indefinitely is unacceptable.

Doge source code is a fork of bitcoin but there were many updates in bitcoin in the past several years and RBF (Replace By Fee) or CPFP were included recently and if you look at Doge they did not upgraded these in their code and when the price of Doge started rallying the developers said they will be updating everything that they left out in the past few years and we might see those upgrades soon.

Dogecoin already supports RBF and CPFP but most wallet implementations do not support these features. Due to this, the developers reduced the default mempool expiry from 14 days to 24 hours. This change was included in the latest Dogecoin Core version which was released earlier today.

This morning I received my new 250eur withdrawal in Bitcoin (this time very fast), from Betnomi. So this thread can be closed.

The latest version which is released earlier today had these changes which is good, the developers were not taking things seriously and they need to see a huge rally to make any changes which sucks big time.

You can close the thread yourself and good to hear that you finally go the withdrawal after a long wait.

This is first time I'm hearing that dogecoin transaction got stuck. I always thought that they fly like lightning. Is OP transaction really got stuck or he had made some mistakes while sending a transaction?
Not expected that dogecoin also supports RBF and CPFP. Is it only available on "installed" wallet ? Online wallets like https://my.dogechain.info/#/wallet does not support it? (or I simply havent found that option there)