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Title: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 18, 2021, 02:32:11 PM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:
https://i.imgur.com/atXVCaB.jpg
Image Source (https://ted-lasso.fandom.com/wiki/Ted_Lasso_(TV_series))
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Yogee on February 18, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
...... do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
Integrity is such a big word and makes me think a lot of things. Can we just stick to cohesion? It's certainly a factor when you know there are conflicts within the team or when everyone got each other's back. We can take Chelsea at the beginning of the season as an example. There were people who had high hopes that the team would do well and blend together. It started well until results were not favorable anymore leading to some rumors of Lampard falling out with players and some staff.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: madnessteat on February 18, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Quidat on February 18, 2021, 08:24:37 PM

After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

It is much better to have those kind of research or finding out information on a certain team before making any bets rather than on making blind bets.
If you are already experienced into this field then you can eventually spot out that those sentiments are pure guess and speculation into someone
who doesnt have any experience or dont even know on what he's been trying to suggest on.Its still up to you if you do really consider out those
calls and apply it or you would stick out into your own.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: uneng on February 18, 2021, 09:13:13 PM
Of course it applies to real life, you need to carefully check team's currently statistics before betting. Teams which have only a *star* player and nothing more are just useful to promote the best player's career individually. The strategy for rival teams is very easy on these cases: just neutralize the best player during the match with fierce chasing and the rest of the team won't be able to do anything.
On the other hand, balanced teams which have many average players can offer a harder challenge to rivals. That is because the team's strategy relies on different elements and not only in one super-star player, so it's hard to neutralize such strategies.

As average teams aren't the favorite ones you can make a nice profit by picking the right one at the right match if you read these statistics correctly and of course, if you are lucky.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Hydrogen on February 18, 2021, 09:38:41 PM
question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?


I think the NFL (american football) is a good platform for answering this question.

Sometimes the offense of a team will perform perfectly. While their defense performs horribly. The lackluster performance of their support players will negate the outstanding performance of star players.

Outstanding athletes trend towards being the most motivated while lower tier athletes trend towards the opposite. It could be common in many sports for teams with the highest percentage of extremely motivated athletes to be the most successful.

One example of this could be the tampa bay buccaneers winning the superbowl 2020/2021. They may not have been the most talented or popular team. But it did seem as if they wanted it more. They were the most motivated. This type of positive team cohesion could be a major contributing factor behind their victory.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Vaskiy on February 18, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
Team integrity is a must with football and all games where the contribution of each and every player is required. In games like cricket even a single person can change the scenario. With football along with integrity, each player are trained to be perfect for specific position. This needs to be considered, because even if a single player does it wrong the plan can't be executed perfect.

Most of the time I look for the forward players, because the ball finally reaches the player passing all other players positioned to pass it. The forward is the one to make the goal. Teams cohesion is important, without which games will be like movies where we knew that the hero's team will be winning the match.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: CarnagexD on February 18, 2021, 10:51:02 PM
Team work is definitely an integral part in the success of a team, but honestly speaking not a lot of people will take team cohesion and trust into account when betting because it's not something that you can see at face value, most of the time it becomes obvious after a careful game observation and even then it can't be guaranteed you are correct unless you're part of the team itself.
Team integrity is a must with football and all games where the contribution of each and every player is required. In games like cricket even a single person can change the scenario. With football along with integrity, each player are trained to be perfect for specific position. This needs to be considered, because even if a single player does it wrong the plan can't be executed perfect.

Most of the time I look for the forward players, because the ball finally reaches the player passing all other players positioned to pass it. The forward is the one to make the goal. Teams cohesion is important, without which games will be like movies where we knew that the hero's team will be winning the match.
This is interesting, though I think it's pulling the situation to a stretch. However, I'd like to take your opinion in games like basketball where it's really fast-paced, or better yet eSports like League of Legends.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: just_Alice on February 18, 2021, 10:57:15 PM
There's no denying, cohesion is one of the most important things when it comes to sports teams, but how can you possibly assess it? There's no way you can find that kind of information somewhere on social media. Two people can be best friends and totally understand each other in real life, but even that doesn't mean that they will play cohesively during the game. You can rely on the previous games, but each game isn't quite like the previous one, right? Many things change, go in a different way, depending on the opponent and not just that.

One thing you should probably take into account is who's the coach. I think a proper team coach not only teaches techniques and strategies but also influences the atmosphere in the team. So, based on the trainer, you can probably make draw some conclusions about cohesion, but it's all just in theory.  


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: FlightyPouch on February 18, 2021, 11:01:14 PM
That is hard to analyze as we don't know much about the players and we just depend on what we are seeing on their games. I don't know if this counts but the Wizards had this peculiar endgame against Houston Rockets where Bradley Beal seems to be upset about. I don't know what happened but upon searching some articles it seems he's upset about his teammates disrespecting John Wall.

Then a lot of articles are stating that Beal is angry as he has ever been on his team and they are not doing fine which I think why they really need that smooth relationship.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: LTU_btc on February 18, 2021, 11:43:11 PM
I think these things matters too. And in main leagues that I follow, I considering these things before making bets. Offcourse, in these leagues which I don't follow so much and watch less games, it's more difficult to know these things.
And in almost every league there is several teams that I avoid to bet on. When I saw your topic, Arsenal and Spurs came to my head first.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Natalim on February 18, 2021, 11:43:58 PM
Of course but it's hard to tell if they really have good teamwork, mostly we only based on their record and if they have good record then we can say they are playing well as a team. Maybe if you have an inside information you'll know what's happening and that would help you to choose the right team to bet, but since we are just typical bettors, then we don't have an access on that.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: dothebeats on February 18, 2021, 11:54:17 PM
You can't really tell the bond between teams and players unless you've been following them closely on the sport for a long time. I'd say it matters since there are decisions in the middle of the game that are crucial for the game's development that only tightly-knit teams can get through without losing morale. They do have their coaches and what not to help them pull through but overall team cohesion sans coach commands IMO is still pretty vital when it comes to major games and team-based sports that I bet on i.e. basketball, football, etc.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Darker45 on February 19, 2021, 02:07:43 AM
It does matter a lot not just in football but also on all team sports. Team sports is not just about skill. Skill may be important but it will not be the only ingredient for a winning team. Chemistry and respect are two of the most important characteristics of a strong team.

In the NBA, for example, one player may register double doubles or even triple doubles repeatedly, but those stats do not win games. I know many NBA fans here have some idea on who I may be referring to. Triple double is such a nice achievement, but only personally. What use is it if in achieving it you are losing the game?

I have also seen the extreme importance of team cohesion in eSports such as DOTA II.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: maydna on February 19, 2021, 04:29:53 AM
I think morale and cohesion can be one thing that is necessary on the team that a gambler should think about to select the team. If one team can have good morale and cohesion between the player, they can be a strong team although they are in the undervalued team. The player can learn about the skill, but morale is something that every people should have. If every player can have integrity to the team, it can help the team become strong and play better than the other team. They can play better with the other player as a team and not show personal skills as football is a team sport.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on February 19, 2021, 05:10:46 AM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:

After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
Without a doubt team cohesion matters, the problem is that it is something difficult to measure, for example in the Euro 2016 Iceland was able to beat England 2 to 1 and advance to the quarterfinals of the tournament with a team that only had a few professionals and the rest were just amateurs, not only that they made it to the World Cup of 2018 and even if they were unable to get out of the group stage they were able to draw with Argentina during that World Cup and they still hold the record for the smallest country to ever qualify to the World Cup.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Wexnident on February 19, 2021, 05:29:51 AM
Of course, it's part of the assessment. Studying a team doesn't only involve numbers, it also considers those intangible factors that you can't really put any numbers to describe, but still exists. Everything should be taken into account when you want to study a team, even if it was something as vague as the cohesion of the team. Yes, you won't often see it plainly, but it takes time, after all, so you can't really gather data about it however just keep watching them play as a team, and you'd actually see and notice various points that would probably show you how a team behaves as a "team"


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: adzino on February 19, 2021, 05:38:05 AM
Yeah, it does matter I would say. But it would be hard to know the exact "cohesion" between the team members unless you know them personally or you have been following them for a very long time.
One should actually take that into account along with other factors such as their strength or weakness when playing with other teams. Teams that have better cohesion has better chance of winning
Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
It does matter, but what ever you see on a TV shows are bit exaggerated.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Kasabus on February 19, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.

Exactly, all we know is just what the media has been telling us, it could be accurate or inaccurate information but we can always consider that as a basis when betting on sports. We gamble and our basis is based on rumors and news, so just like gambling, we could win or lose, these news could be right or wrong.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: robelneo on February 19, 2021, 11:26:52 AM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Janation on February 19, 2021, 12:09:45 PM
I don't account for cohesion when I bet.

I am not saying that it doesn't matter but nowadays, if there is a better player in ones teams and the other team doesn't have that kind of player or have not much better performance if their last games I would bet on the team with better players.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on February 19, 2021, 12:34:07 PM
Statistics matter. And that's the most important thing to consider. Whatever reason why the stats are like that may or may not be beyond our knowledge. It could be that the players of a certain team are good players. It could also be that even if they are not the best of players they have a certain level of cohesion with each other so that everybody is so comfortable playing with their teammates. It could be that everyone is so consistent in their play executions that they can defeat even those teams with better players but could also turn out unlucky sometimes.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: iamsheikhadil on February 19, 2021, 12:41:45 PM
Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Botnake on February 19, 2021, 01:32:51 PM
All I know in sports are bad teams and good teams only, if a certain team keep losing, then they are a bad team and the opposite is the good team. If only we know or have access on the scene inside, that would be so helpful in analyzing the game, unfortunately it's not allowed, not even the insiders are allowed to leak some information regarding the team, all are confidential so as a better, our job is to only keep guessing.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: panganib999 on February 19, 2021, 02:06:17 PM
Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!

A certain team consists of team leader and team members. I agree that team work is one of the best idea or attitude that a team needs in order to have a success. In a saying, Teamwork makes dream works. A strong team is consider a strong team if it is leaded by a strong leader and smart followers. In betting, I experience to have a team betting like you grouped together in order to pitch in some ideas about betting and come up with a better simple and united decision. I think in this set-up we might reached our main or top agenda. And I think we will get our main goal which is to earn and be profitable in gambling.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: michellee on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 PM
do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
I think integrity in a team is a must because each player needs to have responsibility on their team and give the best performance every time they play. When they can have integrity, they will think that they all are in one team which they need to defend to win the game, and no matter what, they need to use all of they have to support all player. Maybe that is happening in real life, and some gamblers use that to select their team, not just because of their performance because that can give them more info about the team's conditions.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Ucy on February 19, 2021, 03:38:41 PM
I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
Guess I will need to assess the teams and see if they really understand their opponents and are playing in a way that shows they know what they are doing


I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
I would encourage/incentivize both (team & individual effort)
Will probably tell the players to always follow plans that are meant to help them work together as team unless they individually find good opportunity they are sure to do well in, like to individually create useful chances  or score goals for their teams. They have to always make  sure the condition is right (the right players are at the proper positions to back them up. ) before using their talents without team effort. Any player who breaks the protocol without doing well individually with his skills/talent may lose some points.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: mu_enrico on February 19, 2021, 03:45:46 PM
Cohesion matter to a certain extent, but the more important thing is tactical knowledge: what to do in transition attack/defense, what to do if the playmaker getting marked/pressured, etc. As long as there is no obvious trouble maker or getting "John Terried (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/03/betrayal-and-bombast-surreal-story-terry-v-bridge-scandal)," I don't think cohesion will significantly determine the result. They are professionals, after all.

Moreover, this qualitative thing is difficult to measure. Only coaches have the incentive to study the dynamics. For a mere bettor, research on the quantitative variable or statistics is enough.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: hahay on February 19, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
Of course considering teamwork or team cohesiveness is something important, because in this era, if a team or gambler who only relies on star players in reality still does not guarantee a team and gamblers win easily. At least this has often happened so it's no wonder, when an underdog team can win because they have a compact squad and of course playing without burden is a factor for them to maintain cohesiveness.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 19, 2021, 04:35:01 PM
Thanks for your replies! Just to summarize, it seems that most of you think that the team's cohesion is very important, but that it's very hard to assess it. Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?
And I agree that cohesion is not just about football, but any team sport. It's just that football is closer to me and the TV show was about football, so I chose to develop my thoughts in this regard.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on February 19, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
Thanks for your replies! Just to summarize, it seems that most of you think that the team's cohesion is very important, but that it's very hard to assess it. Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?
And I agree that cohesion is not just about football, but any team sport. It's just that football is closer to me and the TV show was about football, so I chose to develop my thoughts in this regard.
You may safely say that OP, it's the nature of gambling to not give you the ball anyway, so it's not like it's a big problem for sports bettors like us. It's just of course a big advantage if there ever comes a situation where information like this is plotted and made obvious for the bettors out there too see. At the end of the day, my days of playing percentage games taught me how big 1 percent can be.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Saint-loup on February 19, 2021, 10:57:33 PM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: ralle14 on February 19, 2021, 11:03:34 PM
Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?
Yes, sometimes when teams pick up a new player the cohesion could be instant or takes a while to kick in. On top of that it can be difficult to gauge those cohesion since they could go on beating all the best teams they face then next month the results are completely flipped the other way. Or if a certain team is on the bottom of the leaderboard it's hard to determine their cohesion until they start winning but not all wins are a good indicator.  


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Wexnident on February 20, 2021, 12:56:52 AM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.
Don't most sports place cohesion above, or at least, equal to skill level? Examples of those who don't are probably tennis, though there are doubles there and coordination there seems like it'd be quite a fit. Not saying that as long as you're one with the team even if your bad is that you're in, most teams would have both skilled and coordinated players. There's still a skill gap here and there, but others fill it up by playing with each other, hence why there's always an existence called the "Ace" for most teams.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: qwertyup23 on February 20, 2021, 02:03:10 AM
I think it is definitely a factor to consider especially when you take in consideration any team sports, in general. However, it all boils down to your favorite/loyal team whenever you gamble. There was a study conducted that majority of the players who gamble on team sports bet on their favorite/loyal team despite knowing that the team that they are against are the stronger ones.

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.

There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Strongkored on February 20, 2021, 02:42:19 AM
Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?


It can be said like that, but if that information is mentioned I think the bettor is not only focused on that but other things, for example the favorite team and also the trend that the club is experiencing, this is often my reference in choosing bets in football ( since this a sports I often to bet).


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: maydna on February 20, 2021, 03:33:07 AM
Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?


It can be said like that, but if that information is mentioned I think the bettor is not only focused on that but other things, for example the favorite team and also the trend that the club is experiencing, this is often my reference in choosing bets in football ( since this a sports I often to bet).

An experienced bettor will know what he needs, and if he thinks that he needs more information from which is mentioned, he will know where he can get it because he already has a source he used before. It will not be a problem for him because he can get something that the other bettor doesn't know, so he can bet after analyzing each team.

That bettor will not just select his favorite team before he can collect much information about the match and trying to analyze better to find which team has the potential to win.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Mauser on February 20, 2021, 08:31:09 AM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:


After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?


I do think that cohesion and moral matters a lot in sports. If team mates are in a good mood and work great together everything is possible. Sure a Superstar talent player might be able to turn around a game, but he is just one player. In my opinion it is better if the hole team functions well together. The only problem is that is hard to know the moral of a team. There is no statistical number for this. And since we can't follow the team 24/7 around we will need to use our own interpretations from the news on how good or bad the moral is. Also having the underdog win because of a good chemistry between teammates is what makes great hollywood movies.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Janation on February 20, 2021, 09:20:21 AM
I do think that cohesion and moral matters a lot in sports. If team mates are in a good mood and work great together everything is possible. Sure a Superstar talent player might be able to turn around a game, but he is just one player. In my opinion it is better if the hole team functions well together. The only problem is that is hard to know the moral of a team. There is no statistical number for this. And since we can't follow the team 24/7 around we will need to use our own interpretations from the news on how good or bad the moral is. Also having the underdog win because of a good chemistry between teammates is what makes great hollywood movies.

The morale of the team can't be seen that easily in their games.

But it won't be that easy because this player/team is in a professional league. Despite their great performance that they will show in the previous or past games, we can't say that they are having problems with their teammate unless a rumour goes around. They are professional players and they could work around and show their talent despite not having any cohesion.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 20, 2021, 10:26:03 AM
Janation, but can the performance be good if the team has some internal conflicts? And if cohesion corresponds to performance, does it mean it's enough to just look at recent performance and assume that it's a sign of the team's strong level of cohesion?
Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Janation on February 20, 2021, 10:46:49 AM
Janation, but can the performance be good if the team has some internal conflicts? And if cohesion corresponds to performance, does it mean it's enough to just look at recent performance and assume that it's a sign of the team's strong level of cohesion?
Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?

That is why I am not looking at it as I said previously.

I based my bets on the past performances of the team. I would not know whether the performance of a team was affected by their internal conflict because, in the first place, it would be hard to know that. As I also said, it is hard to see or analyze a team's cohesion, all we can look at or analyze is the performance they have based on the records they have that game.

What we can hear is just rumors about something but I don't believe those, it is called rumor for a reason.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: plr on February 20, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: traderethereum on February 20, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.
Yes, that is just a TV show, but who knows what is happening with the gamblers who bet on the sports and has a favourite team. 
Morale and talent will be necessary that every player should have, and when they have all of that, and with integrity into their team, that can help the team beat the opponent.
Maybe some gamblers use that to help them analyze to find the team that has the potential to win in the next match.
But I am sure every gambler will have their way to analyze the team, and from where they can start, and how they can find the right team.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: electronicash on February 20, 2021, 02:54:57 PM

must be a tough job to teach football without knowing it.

but it applies not just to football but also to the most popular sports like basketball. the game has to be played with the team not just by a single player or two when in fact the coach will give the best first five that will coordinate with each other to win the 1st quarter. a team that is not coordinating with each other will not sync and will likely not follow a game plan. if one is injured, he'd be replaced with another best player for the team.



Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: ralle14 on February 20, 2021, 03:21:05 PM
Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?
For me the best way to look for these cohesion is whenever there's a match that involves a big stake on the line such as the playoffs or major tournament and usually there's going to be an underdog that will have a very good run or a favorite that will improve throughout the tournament. Relying on the team's cohesion isn't always the best thing to do since it could simply dissipate on the next match.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: USSENT on February 20, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
Team cohesion is important, having players at highest possible individual limit is very important in addition to technical coaching but having them mix well together is the base as seen in Chelsea 2012 which was an average ' or even below average ' team early and winning Champions League in second half of the season with charismatic yet not-so-experienced Roberto Di Matteo.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: acroman08 on February 20, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
it does and it is very important to have it especially for a team. teamwork/cohesion brings out the best of each player in the team and we've seen actual results/champions of what can happen if there is team cohesion. only a moron would say that it doesn't matter. and yes I do take it into consideration when I do sports betting.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Saint-loup on February 20, 2021, 04:18:52 PM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.
There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!
I agree with you qwertyup23, but I think in basketball a good player can both play in attack and defense because the field is short and there are few players on the field. But in soccer good players can only stay at their position in the game most of the times, so even if a player is good, he will only be able to act on his part.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Becky666 on February 20, 2021, 04:37:52 PM
Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: dunfida on February 20, 2021, 08:13:23 PM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.
There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!
I agree with you qwertyup23, but I think in basketball a good player can both play in attack and defense because the field is short and there are few players on the field. But in soccer good players can only stay at their position in the game most of the times, so even if a player is good, he will only be able to act on his part.
With that wide area of such game then that will really be exhausting if you are trying to cope up on said possible positions just like on basketball.We are just humans and
we arent that fast and lots of stamina on doing that this is why its really an impossible thing to consider on having that kind of behavior. Team coordination and
effort is really mainly needed on this kind of game and of course that do really matters in winning a particular game but its better that you do have
better players in the field as usual.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: 7788bitcoin on February 20, 2021, 08:14:35 PM
but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail  ;D.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: ReiMomo on February 20, 2021, 08:32:39 PM
but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail  ;D.
That's how exactly a correct answer and I think, you nailed it.
In each member of the team, there's a weakness that we should know before making a decision and place a bet. There's possible that their strongest player becomes injured and won't able to play in the next game, so that is a great advantage if you will know, not just because of the fantasy in the TV show.

Speaking of insider information, that is impossible and very rare because it will I guess putting at their team risk when there's someone who will know their weakness.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Oceat on February 20, 2021, 08:37:41 PM
Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.
How would you know that if the team is in good terms of each other? Insider information is not even available in public because that's for sure will make a change of the outcome of the game if the other team would know it. I think it's best to look at their previous matches on how good their teamwork is and who is lacking in responses.

Overall it is still important to know the teams morale is one of the factors of the outcome when betting on your favorite team. Plus added with their performances how well they are to each other or how good their team coordination will show the outcome.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: 2double0 on February 20, 2021, 10:22:12 PM
This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: FlightyPouch on February 20, 2021, 10:35:42 PM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

I totally agree on this one. The goal of most TV shows is to get the attention of their views, to be able to capture the real-life experience of a football coach without even knowing what it is. How would that be real-life? Let's be real though. That could be their assistant coach that could boost their morale but I don't think it would be a head coach.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: pixie85 on February 20, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
To be honest I have only one way of betting on football.

The idea is to bet on teams that I like and follow like my national team. I know when they're doing good or bet and I don't bet against them just for them or if I see them doing bad I don't bet at all.

If you follow a certain sport like football and bet a lot in this area you can spend some time researching status of the teams but I don't do it. I have no time and I don't bet on football much.



Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: KTChampions on February 21, 2021, 12:05:46 AM
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Fundamentals Of on February 21, 2021, 12:13:12 AM
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

You have a good point.

This is just a show. In reality, it is absolute nonsense for any football team to hire a coach knowing nothing about the sports. And even if in the weird event that a certain coach who has zero knowledge of the sports is tapped as a coach, the players would not be comfortable with it and probably will not function very well in the game. Sooner or later, they would demand for a better coach.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: STT on February 21, 2021, 01:11:49 AM
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cohesion for the game.

Yes it matters alot, the series is likely not completely unrealistic in this aspect.   Whats a bit make believe is the random person is better then a proper coach who has insight and knowledge to the team challenges including fitness.
  I do consider the team factor as a large part of what determines a win and is a hidden factor that cant be included by just adding up names and separate skills each player might have.   What I've read happening is the team coach can call in specialists to help with specific areas and team building/training days is not a new idea to improving performance for any team even business effectiveness.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: maydna on February 21, 2021, 01:22:03 AM
This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: panganib999 on February 21, 2021, 02:10:31 AM
This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.

Changing player is not an issue. Because in a team example in Basketball, a coach knows how to handle things and what strategy they are going to use. Like, a mind of a coach is always working even in a current play, and it will of a play depends on how he see the other players while playing. In gambling, I also realize that a simple bet can make the next future bet differently, two options, you won or you lose. But in a certain group, taking team's cohesion is a very helpful way in order for you and your groupmates to have a united and simple decision and team goal in playing gambling.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: rodskee on February 21, 2021, 05:03:44 AM
Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .
Of course, this can't happen in real life like in this show. After all, in real life in a professional sports team there are people who are well versed in the details. Before you play a match with an opponent everything is analyzed. Individual qualities of opponents are also sorted out. It is always necessary to watch the composition of teams, adjust your game to the opponent's game and look for weaknesses of the opponent. Non-professionals can not do this.
Yep from the since team into the opponent , they must be analyzed and observe for us to win and not only in some aspects instead the totality will cover each small things that most bettors don't anticipate.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: FIFA worldcup on February 21, 2021, 09:39:53 AM

Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play. 

Yeah team cohesion is an important factor if you are betting on any team. The more details you have about the team the better chances for you to bet on the right team. It does not grantee the winning of the bet but surely increases the probability of winning.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Janation on February 21, 2021, 10:54:35 AM
Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .

But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: coin-investor on February 21, 2021, 11:16:00 AM


But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: crzy on February 21, 2021, 11:21:23 AM


But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 
They paid for the star players and that’s why they depend on them that much, and the purpose of the other players is to support their ace player, and that’s what a team is all about. You don’t get too emotional if you’re playing with the best player, I’m sure you’re part of the team because you’re good as well and that’s my basis when I’m betting, its all about the team.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: iamsheikhadil on February 21, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

But that's cohesion though? To utilize all unique skills of all players to make a strong team by focusing on key placements is what makes a team strongest and best of their version. While I agree that in a team, a particular player is best among all other players, psychological effects do matter, like if that player is given post of captaincy, then that will put more burden and pressure leading to reduction of the player's capabilities. So, it should be a balance of all that impacts.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Fredomago on February 21, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:
https://i.imgur.com/atXVCaB.jpg
Image Source (https://ted-lasso.fandom.com/wiki/Ted_Lasso_(TV_series))
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play. 
Cohesion is always part of the winning team and also our winning bets , because how can we expect to win in our team supporting when they are in their own feet when playing ?
their Mind , Body and Spirit must be Correlate with each other (Of course with the command of the Coaching team) to bring the winning into our footsteps .
So yeah i totally agree with what OP is pointing in this and surely everyone of us are agreeing with the same sentiment .


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: traderethereum on February 21, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 
They know how to unite all players and give the best performance in that game.
Cohesion and the best player matters because that is how the team can win in almost every match.
But sometimes, they can not unite and play better because every player must try to defeat their ego in the field.
But for professional athletes, that will not be a problem as they know how to manage their emotions and forget their ego for trying to win.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: pinggoki on February 21, 2021, 12:38:17 PM
Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 21, 2021, 02:09:35 PM
I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.
If the team is in EPL, I think it already means it has talent, no? You don't just get into the league by mediocre play, so the team is full of highly skilled people. They might not be the best in the world, but they're very close to it. And in that case, cohesion is what they lack to become stronger. By the way, they actually get relegated in the show, so the show doesn't try to say that cohesion is all a team needs.
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.
It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Cling18 on February 21, 2021, 03:00:11 PM
I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.

The strength of a team isn't just about their skills and ability about the sports that they're in but it's also about how they unite as one. As for me, team's cohesion is still important for them to stand firmer and just focus on a single goal. A team that is united and has a good relationship with each other could easily reach their goal of winning easily.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: FlightyPouch on February 21, 2021, 03:01:17 PM


But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 

But what is the connection of the rift of Jordan and their Manager while they are not actually playing with the Managers, they are just there to monitor their franchise. Another thing is that even though they have that rift, Jordan is a well-known name in the league and I don't think they will just let them go the reason they are letting them do what he can.



Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: acener on February 21, 2021, 03:19:16 PM
I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: ethereumhunter on February 21, 2021, 03:39:03 PM
Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: bitzizzix on February 21, 2021, 04:15:40 PM
Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will
The team will move and play well because there is a coach who manages the game and strategy, so that the team is strong or does not depend on the coach to place the right and right player positions to control who comes out and who enters, at the right time and can read the players when there is a good chance.
So in addition to playing compactly and strongly, the coach also has a strong role to play in winning.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Lorence.xD on February 22, 2021, 09:44:11 AM
I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.
It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 22, 2021, 10:16:56 AM

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Of course i do, even  though there are some issues going on in my team? yet that's not enough for me to not crediting the cohesion of the team.

I remember the oldschool Basketball team that i love to bet on in past , yeah they are having troubles together but in court ? they are still intensive and being professional .


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: swogerino on February 22, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
It has a huge impact on the team performance and I am not talking explicitly about betting here.Some years ago I worked in a country with a low quality league of football.This league was dominated by only one or two teams but at the year I worked there the league was won by an outsider team.The coach didn’t have the best players available but he built a real solid team that their strength was their unity.In this sense it has a huge impact and consequently so it does on betting.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: shoreno on February 22, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it  into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .

 but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: DoublerHunter on February 22, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it  into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .
^ Emotional and physical updates should better check in every team that you will pick to bet, the first to consider is if there is an injured player from the team and who is the weak player from the team every time when there is a swap player. And then the last one is the team cohesion and that is right, a team should always have teamwork because it has a big impact when the team will work together. A cohesive team has a strong and powerful and also strength that can motivate them to be successful and win the match.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: KTChampions on February 22, 2021, 08:39:35 PM
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.
It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.

This all relates to intellectual activity in the game and can be considered a physical indicator. If a player is an idiot and does not understand what game he is playing (team game) then he has problems as a player and this is not a matter of cohesion. And by the way, there are quite a few such players (for example, who get into a fight, although they know that the whole team will suffer because of this), but this (in this case, aggressiveness) is a common physical indicator that should be taken into account by the coach.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on February 23, 2021, 05:56:00 AM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: tygeade on February 24, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
Motivation and what's on stake for a team to win the game is not just important but one of the most crucial things to analyze and this doesn't work in just soccer or team sports but also individual player based sports like tennis. You can see Djokovic vs Nadal matches will always have a higher level of intensity as compared to Djokovic playing some ranked 100 guy that's because his reputation and rivalry is at stake against top players.

For team sports, always see if the teams participating in the match have some reason to push their limits or they are just playing for consolation prizes. In fact I have several times made profit when I know a team needs to win by at least 2 goals to qualify and that tells me the match will have more goals than usual as the team will attack all the time which doesn't just help them score more but the opposition also gets a few easy chances to counter attack against an all-offensive lineup.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: fullhdpixel on February 24, 2021, 10:50:35 AM
Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!
Actually better coordination and team synergy between weak players is better than amazing but egoistic players in a team, specially if the sport is all about teamwork like NBA, soccer, NFL, cricket, etc where teamwork and synergy is almost everything.

I will share an example of cricket team here, anyone who follows cricket must have known what IPL is and what teams participate. RCB one of the best team in terms of talent has never managed to win the league because the synergy is just not there and the team doesn't work as a unit. On the other side team like CSK don't have the talent pool and yeah recently they didn't do well but they are one of the most successful teams in the IPL just because they have the togetherness a team requires.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: XZERO1 on February 24, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on February 27, 2021, 03:45:43 AM
but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.
I think you are speaking of something different than what the OP talked about, you seem to be thinking about the relationship of the team outside the field when the OP is talking about team chemistry, team chemistry is about knowing your teammate so well that you know how he is going to move without even having to look at him, you just know where he is and where he will be, this gives you a huge advantage as the defenders cannot react quickly enough and they can take advantage of that opening, so team chemistry is without a doubt important and I have even seen some sports video games that took that into account when auto-resolving matches which means that even developers consider that an important factor to simulate.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: imstillthebest on February 27, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: maydna on February 27, 2021, 10:21:26 AM
This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.

With having a lower percentage than the other sports, each player will not feel difficult to play with their team because they can share it with the other player. But every sport will not be the same as the individual skills will also be different, but they can fill the lack of other players, which can help the team increase the percentage in total. Even if the team doesn't have a strong player when they can unite and play better than the opponent, their percentage will increase, which can help them beat the opponent.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: bitterguy28 on February 27, 2021, 11:15:38 AM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
I still believe that professionalism will remain on them so they will still do their best to win the game.

This Players are tend to have pride , they will not let losing comes when they have some argumentation or bad feeling against their team members.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: RealMalatesta on February 27, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.
It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.
Team sports are called as such for a reason because players have to work together and there are lots of matches where better teams lose because they never had the same teamwork and cohesion amongst them. I remember how strong a team Griffin was in League of Legends, a e-sport in case for people who don't know. But they broke and lost everything because there was ongoing problems between the coach cvMax and a few players.

It is indeed very important to analyze the team composition as well as the cohesion and how certain skills match with others. I am a big e-sports fan and I have seen some great teams in CSGO being down and out because their team composition never worked despite having individual talents and genius coaches.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: kryptqnick on February 27, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .
He's hired because the owner of the club actually wants the club to play terribly during the EPL season for her own reasons, but he sees his job as working on relationships of team members and on their well-being. But he's not the only coach in the show. There's also another guy who's assisting him, but actually knows about football. And the show isn't that dumb: even though the coach succeeds in improving the team's cohesion, and they have some nice wins, they eventually get kicked out of the EPL for poor overall performance this season.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: paxmao on February 27, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Jemzx00 on March 01, 2021, 05:42:25 PM
It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: carlfebz2 on March 01, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.
Can really patch up or could possibly close the gap but we cant really deny that sooner or later you would really able to tell or see the difference when it comes to experience/capacity,capability

no matter what a certain team achieved that kind of teamwork or sync will guaranteed out win but somehow there's always a glimpse of hope when everyone is really doing up their part.

Sports that do mainly focus on team work would really be having this thing for you to consider but some bettors doesnt really look at into this factor and just focusing when
it comes to statistics comparison.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Ewox on March 02, 2021, 04:36:15 AM
I think it’s a balance between a good coach and the players wherein the coach can handle. And I think one factor would be the team’s cohesion too when I choose which team I bet. It has a lot to do with the coach for me and the rest of the team will just follow.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: traderethereum on March 02, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.
They need to cooperate with the other player to give the best performance to the audience, and the important thing is they can win and beat the opponent.
If they can do that, that will benefit us because we can select them for our bet, and we will have a chance to win.
The team cohesiveness can give the team more power to do better, and their opponent will see that they can change their play in the rest of the match.
I think the coach will know who the player can give cohesiveness to the other, so all of the players can play with their best skills as a team and not individual.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on March 03, 2021, 12:35:29 AM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: famososMuertos on March 03, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
It is not necessary to answer OP with analysis of professional teams, if someone ever played a team sport they know that cohesion depends on the best player, it is  simple, maybe some games can be won as a result of that "chemistry" or cohesion that It is achieved with a season but when the difficult games come, that "individual" makes the difference.
Of course, if the best player on the team is injured, it influences my bet.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Fredomago on March 03, 2021, 07:16:29 PM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: coolcoinz on March 03, 2021, 09:29:05 PM
I do it very often. Last minute changes in the roster are probably one of the most important factors when it comes to betting on team sports like football. If a team loses an important player because of health issues it's less likely to play well, everybody knows that.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

There were many real life situations that backed this statement, especially in esports. There were teams made of champions that were simply doing bad and were disbanded after 1 tournament.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Lanatsa on March 03, 2021, 10:45:18 PM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.
Wont really be a short span of time when it comes on molding up synchronization towards your other team mate and this do involve lots of time of training before achieving such state.

A team composed of several superstars doesn't guarantee a winning because as said, everything should really be executed in a good manner or in rhythm.

Team based type of games should be played by team and not going on solo or trying to carry the game all by himself which is a common problem actually.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on March 06, 2021, 03:26:06 AM
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.
Not only that, it is easier to accept criticism from someone that is your friend than from someone that is a stranger or someone that you do not like, after all if the other guy is your friend and tells you did something wrong you will have a tendency to believe it and work on it so it does not happen again and you are not afraid to criticize them either as you know they will listen, but if you do not get along you risk offending the other player and not only that he may not believe you decreasing the chemistry of the team even further.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 06, 2021, 03:53:29 AM
It is not necessary to answer OP with analysis of professional teams, if someone ever played a team sport they know that cohesion depends on the best player, it is  simple, maybe some games can be won as a result of that "chemistry" or cohesion that It is achieved with a season but when the difficult games come, that "individual" makes the difference.
Of course, if the best player on the team is injured, it influences my bet.

You are absolutely right, when the best player is injured, it influences the team, it is the star who gives more confidence in general, sometimes the psychic state influences a lot, cohesion or confidence in the team can be collapsed.

The psychological status of each player enters the scene, this is where the team must trust each player's talent and especially in his coach strategy.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Silberman on March 09, 2021, 05:55:28 AM
yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

There were many real life situations that backed this statement, especially in esports. There were teams made of champions that were simply doing bad and were disbanded after 1 tournament.
Many people never consider those aspects because they think that since the players are making so much money they must find a way to get everyone on the same page and get that chemistry going on but it is not like that, despite the big salaries playing a sport is like any other job, you are going to like working with some people and you are not going to like working with another set of people and when those differences get too big someone has to go, and if that does not happen the atmosphere in the locker room will drop to the point many players do not want to remain in the team anymore.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on March 09, 2021, 06:01:02 AM
If the team can't work together and doesn't have any synergy or cohesion then they are likely to lose so yes, team cohesion is a good thing to consider when you are betting in sports, if you know that that team doesn't work that good together then you can bet against them and have the higher chance that you are going to win the bet.


Title: Re: Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?
Post by: iTradeChips on March 30, 2021, 10:27:25 PM
In my opinion, we need to consider any update that is happening within a team that we choose to bet, before doing any betting for them. Like internal strife between management and players, also condition of the players. We also need to take into consideration when there is good or bad cohesion between players. Only then we would be able to assess if it is really worthy for them to be given our attention and our money. Be very careful when choosing a team or when you are loyal to a certain team.