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February 22, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
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yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it  into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .
^ Emotional and physical updates should better check in every team that you will pick to bet, the first to consider is if there is an injured player from the team and who is the weak player from the team every time when there is a swap player. And then the last one is the team cohesion and that is right, a team should always have teamwork because it has a big impact when the team will work together. A cohesive team has a strong and powerful and also strength that can motivate them to be successful and win the match.
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February 22, 2021, 08:39:35 PM
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Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.
It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.

This all relates to intellectual activity in the game and can be considered a physical indicator. If a player is an idiot and does not understand what game he is playing (team game) then he has problems as a player and this is not a matter of cohesion. And by the way, there are quite a few such players (for example, who get into a fight, although they know that the whole team will suffer because of this), but this (in this case, aggressiveness) is a common physical indicator that should be taken into account by the coach.

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February 23, 2021, 05:56:00 AM
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This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.
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February 24, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
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Motivation and what's on stake for a team to win the game is not just important but one of the most crucial things to analyze and this doesn't work in just soccer or team sports but also individual player based sports like tennis. You can see Djokovic vs Nadal matches will always have a higher level of intensity as compared to Djokovic playing some ranked 100 guy that's because his reputation and rivalry is at stake against top players.

For team sports, always see if the teams participating in the match have some reason to push their limits or they are just playing for consolation prizes. In fact I have several times made profit when I know a team needs to win by at least 2 goals to qualify and that tells me the match will have more goals than usual as the team will attack all the time which doesn't just help them score more but the opposition also gets a few easy chances to counter attack against an all-offensive lineup.

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February 24, 2021, 10:50:35 AM
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Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!
Actually better coordination and team synergy between weak players is better than amazing but egoistic players in a team, specially if the sport is all about teamwork like NBA, soccer, NFL, cricket, etc where teamwork and synergy is almost everything.

I will share an example of cricket team here, anyone who follows cricket must have known what IPL is and what teams participate. RCB one of the best team in terms of talent has never managed to win the league because the synergy is just not there and the team doesn't work as a unit. On the other side team like CSK don't have the talent pool and yeah recently they didn't do well but they are one of the most successful teams in the IPL just because they have the togetherness a team requires.

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February 24, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
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but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.
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February 27, 2021, 03:45:43 AM
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but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet?

Nope, to be honest that does not make much of a difference in results like 95% of the time, if there's something going on with the team and maybe some players don't really like each other that usually don't result in a bad game from the team unless there's some personal level stuff going on there.

I mean it's safe to assume that there is some minor issues with every team and almost every team has some player that does not like the other player but it's in the coach responsibility to either resolve the issue or not let their performance or team work being affected by some personal issues that doesn't have anything to do with the team, that being said that in no way means that it's okay if all the players of the team hate each other or something, it only means minor issues exist in every single team and you can only do so much about them.
I think you are speaking of something different than what the OP talked about, you seem to be thinking about the relationship of the team outside the field when the OP is talking about team chemistry, team chemistry is about knowing your teammate so well that you know how he is going to move without even having to look at him, you just know where he is and where he will be, this gives you a huge advantage as the defenders cannot react quickly enough and they can take advantage of that opening, so team chemistry is without a doubt important and I have even seen some sports video games that took that into account when auto-resolving matches which means that even developers consider that an important factor to simulate.
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February 27, 2021, 10:10:00 AM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
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February 27, 2021, 10:21:26 AM
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This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
While without a doubt it is harder to pull off a win if you do not have a couple of stars in the team it is not impossible, it is known that it is easier to play defensively than it is offensively, so a team with good cohesion that is in a a very good physical shape and that can rotate their players can still stand up to a better team, this is especially true in team games where the number of players on the field is higher, for example this is difficult to do in basketball as a single player represents 20% of the team but it is easier on soccer in which a player represents only 9.09% of the team.

With having a lower percentage than the other sports, each player will not feel difficult to play with their team because they can share it with the other player. But every sport will not be the same as the individual skills will also be different, but they can fill the lack of other players, which can help the team increase the percentage in total. Even if the team doesn't have a strong player when they can unite and play better than the opponent, their percentage will increase, which can help them beat the opponent.

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February 27, 2021, 11:15:38 AM
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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
I still believe that professionalism will remain on them so they will still do their best to win the game.

This Players are tend to have pride , they will not let losing comes when they have some argumentation or bad feeling against their team members.

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February 27, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
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I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.
It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.
Team sports are called as such for a reason because players have to work together and there are lots of matches where better teams lose because they never had the same teamwork and cohesion amongst them. I remember how strong a team Griffin was in League of Legends, a e-sport in case for people who don't know. But they broke and lost everything because there was ongoing problems between the coach cvMax and a few players.

It is indeed very important to analyze the team composition as well as the cohesion and how certain skills match with others. I am a big e-sports fan and I have seen some great teams in CSGO being down and out because their team composition never worked despite having individual talents and genius coaches.
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February 27, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
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but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .
He's hired because the owner of the club actually wants the club to play terribly during the EPL season for her own reasons, but he sees his job as working on relationships of team members and on their well-being. But he's not the only coach in the show. There's also another guy who's assisting him, but actually knows about football. And the show isn't that dumb: even though the coach succeeds in improving the team's cohesion, and they have some nice wins, they eventually get kicked out of the EPL for poor overall performance this season.

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February 27, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
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It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.

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March 01, 2021, 05:42:25 PM
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It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.

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March 01, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
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It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.
Can really patch up or could possibly close the gap but we cant really deny that sooner or later you would really able to tell or see the difference when it comes to experience/capacity,capability

no matter what a certain team achieved that kind of teamwork or sync will guaranteed out win but somehow there's always a glimpse of hope when everyone is really doing up their part.

Sports that do mainly focus on team work would really be having this thing for you to consider but some bettors doesnt really look at into this factor and just focusing when
it comes to statistics comparison.

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I think it’s a balance between a good coach and the players wherein the coach can handle. And I think one factor would be the team’s cohesion too when I choose which team I bet. It has a lot to do with the coach for me and the rest of the team will just follow.
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March 02, 2021, 06:17:21 AM
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It has a lot to do with knowing that the team is balanced rather than cohesive, since you do not want a member that is Bantha forrage. Also, they should be able to grow professionally by learning from their peers.
I think the sometimes a team cohesiveness can balance out the of what is missing from the team. So it doesn't necessary requires that the team is balance for them to be better and even if they aren't balance in terms of aggressiveness and defensiveness, they can still make up or focus on what they missing or their strength.
By the way, I don't know the term "Bantha Forrage" and I have to look it up on google to know what it meant. Anyway, if I am correct to assume what it means then I completely agree with you not needing and wanting someone like that from the team. Imagine having a teammate that has a mindset of YOLO or yelling "leeeeerrroooooyyyyy jeeeeeennnkkkkkkiiiiiinnnnsss" in any match will surely ruin the teamwork, efforts and strategies.
They need to cooperate with the other player to give the best performance to the audience, and the important thing is they can win and beat the opponent.
If they can do that, that will benefit us because we can select them for our bet, and we will have a chance to win.
The team cohesiveness can give the team more power to do better, and their opponent will see that they can change their play in the rest of the match.
I think the coach will know who the player can give cohesiveness to the other, so all of the players can play with their best skills as a team and not individual.

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.
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March 03, 2021, 06:47:21 PM
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It is not necessary to answer OP with analysis of professional teams, if someone ever played a team sport they know that cohesion depends on the best player, it is  simple, maybe some games can be won as a result of that "chemistry" or cohesion that It is achieved with a season but when the difficult games come, that "individual" makes the difference.
Of course, if the best player on the team is injured, it influences my bet.

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
high skill level of few memebers are useless if few of this memebers have a hidden hate to his fellow memebers and they can throw the game or make the game loose because they wont pay properly but if the team consist of weak memebers but love each other they can get super strong when they move as a whole .
what we saw on this t.v segment does occur in real live games because t.v shows  get a reference in real life events .
We have seen many teams full of stars that implode just because the team members do not get along, this is incredibly common which is why many star players take the time not only to work with their teammates on the field but they also take the time to know them out of the field and try to get the best possible relationship with each one of their teammates, this may seem to be odd but it is critical if you want to get the best performance out of your teammates.

yeah right full of stars without chemistry together is nothing, you can get the best with your team mates if you know them personally. Adjustment will be done once you get along and know more deeper.

Most of those stars do work outside the team, they try to catch up and know each other more personally, if they have that jive then they can trust each other, knowing that there's someone behind who are willing to work with you and play with the rhytm that you are trying to work is the best thing to come with the whole squad.

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