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Title: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 07:49:41 AM
I'm an active member of Slimcoin community and am working hard to support people that are asking for help on Slimcoin's topic here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1141676.0).

Recently there was a member that's asked for a help and after some post, both mine and of other members, we've been apparently able to find a solution.

So I've just posted "Great!" and have been moderated (my post that was here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1141676.msg56998994#msg56998994) was deleted by I don't know whom).

However I've got a kind automated message from the moderator that "Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted."

I don't know whether from the point of view of the moderator it's wrong expressing joy that something positive has happened after me having participated and tried to solve the issue. Or if I was supposed to write an article about what I was feeling in that situation instead of just saying "Great!". Or maybe I'm just not allowed to express joy here?

Thus I just don't know how I can avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Since I also don't know who has moderated me and am not able to ask him about and since it's not the first time I'm being moderated for the reasons I don't know, I think it could be a good thing for me and other people using this forum to have a place where to express their questions about the reasons why they've been moderated in order for them hopefully to get some replay and to understand better the forum rules.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Poker Player on May 13, 2021, 07:56:09 AM
Well, that's the way things work here. That post wouldn't have been deleted in other forums, but usually too short posts that don't add anything meaningful are at risk of being reported and deleted.

In my case, I had some posts deleted after someone considered one of my posts low value and went through my post history on a reporting spree. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302177.msg55884926#msg55884926)

It has not happened again, I guess it is clear that I am a decent poster. Although I suppose I might get some post deleted in the future but I know 99%+ of my posts won't.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 08:00:18 AM
Well, that's the way things work here. That post wouldn't have been deleted in other forums, but usually too short posts that don't add anything meaningful are at risk of being reported and deleted.

In my case, I had some posts deleted after someone considered one of my posts low value and went through my post history on a reporting spree. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302177.msg55884926#msg55884926)

It has not happened again, I guess it is clear that I am a decent poster. Although I suppose I might get some post deleted in the future, as most people in the forum have.

I'm not sure the moderators have to interfere with the communication because of the length of the post, especially if they don't bother themselves to read all the rest of the conversation to see it was not just a casual comment.

I've personally got many of my posts moderated so far. Specifically I was doing a quality research creating a dedicated topic here and thus I was answering to the question of people in a very serious manner, dedicating hours and hours of work of research posting replies that later on were moderated for the reasons I don't know, which has made me stop working on the topic here and the forum has lost a lot of quality content.

However I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to create a tool for those like me that would like to know why they've been moderated.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: acroman08 on May 13, 2021, 08:50:24 AM
-snip
there is a rule regarding a one-word post but I think if it is in context it's fine to post a one-word post. I am not sure but there is a chance that your post "Great" might have been deleted or automatically reported by one of the bots being used by moderators to fight spam here in the forum. if you want to restore the post that was deleted you can ask them to restore it.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Pmalek on May 13, 2021, 09:08:14 AM
Someone probably reported it being a low-value post that doesn't add anything new to the discussion. You helped the member, the issue was resolved, and someone thought that your post "Great" wasn't needed anymore. The mod who saw the report agreed, and deleted the post.

If you had extended that post by adding a bit more than just great, it probably wouldn't have been deleted. I don't think there is a single member on this forum who hasn't had a few posts deleted every now and then. Heck, even theymos got one post deleted (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theymos) from before he became the admin of Bitcointalk. Don't take it personally, and next time just, just expend your post a bit so it doesn't get reported as being unnecessary. 


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 09:40:24 AM
Someone probably reported it being a low-value post that doesn't add anything new to the discussion. You helped the member, the issue was resolved, and someone thought that your post "Great" wasn't needed anymore. The mod who saw the report agreed, and deleted the post.

If you had extended that post by adding a bit more than just great, it probably wouldn't have been deleted. I don't think there is a single member on this forum who hasn't had a few posts deleted every now and then. Heck, even theymos got one post deleted (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=theymos) from before he became the admin of Bitcointalk. Don't take it personally, and next time just, just expend your post a bit so it doesn't get reported as being unnecessary.  

Thank you for you feedback.

I'm not taking it personally, this thread is not just for me, but also for other people that would like to understand better why they've been moderated.

And also for the moderators and the forum administration to have a feedback on how people feel when something they are working on is just being deleted.

I personally tend to avoid posting anything on this forum as much as I can since I feel I've been moderated many times for no reason or because of some personal interest.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: AB de Royse777 on May 13, 2021, 11:41:03 AM
Excuse me if I missed it on the above conversation. There is already a rule about how one word response will be treated.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

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1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

So clearly the moderators were following the first rule :-D


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 12:30:39 PM
Excuse me if I missed it on the above conversation. There is already a rule about how one word response will be treated.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

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1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.

So clearly the moderators were following the first rule :-D

That's a good thing, at least everybody is being treated equally here, although there are lot of "+1", "Interesting", LOL", "reserved" and so on around the forum and also despite what can appear to the moderator that clearly doesn't know anything about the topic he has moderated I'm not a casual person in that thread, so my comment was not casual as well: I worked for two weeks (since April 29th) on the issue so to express my satisfaction with some result we've got I don't have to be forced to write a poetry.

What I'm trying to say the rule hasn't be applied blindly. The rules are done for people not against the people. Should I post my BTC address to get a faucet the moderator would delete it as well?


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: tranthidung on May 13, 2021, 12:55:55 PM
That's a good thing, at least everybody is being treated equally here
Reminders
  • There are different moderators on the forum and they have different vision to handle reports
  • Such posts need to be reported by the community, then moderator(s) will be allocated and handle it.
  • If none of member in the community report such post, moderator(s) probably will let them untouched. They are not able to check the wholde forum and find such posts.

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What I'm trying to say the rule hasn't be applied blindly.
See this rule as well. In addition, such posts can be considered as bumps that are allowed once per 24 hours.
23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.[e]

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread. Bumping multiple threads at the same time is allowed if it's not annoying. [2][e]

You can consider it as too strict but it is not a big matter, so please go onwards.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 01:05:31 PM
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread. Bumping multiple threads at the same time is allowed if it's not annoying. [2][e]

My opinion is still that the rules hasn't be applied blindly. If this forum is for people the rules possibly has to be changed in order people to be comfortable not the other way around.

The rule you mentioned explains better than anything else what I mean.

"Bumping" concept mentioned in the rule in context of the altcoin announcement doesn't make sense any more (if I'm still informed well), since you have to "bump" those kind of announcements explicitly.

The rule is clearly obsolete for the mentioned case, it's up to the moderator to use his good sense when he moderates.

And the community has to have a tool to understand whether the moderator is doing well his work or not. Because the moderators are here for the community and the community is not here for moderators.

This thread is an attempt to provide such a tool.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 13, 2021, 01:09:25 PM
You definitely won't get away with posting something like "Great!".  On most other forums that would be fine, and it seems to have been fine in the early days of bitcointalk, but I think forum standards changed once most people started getting paid to post here.  Since some campaigns don't have character minimums, if mods didn't delete such short posts as the one you mentioned, everyone in a sig campaign that didn't count characters would be posting "Nice!" or "+1" a hundred times per day.  And just think about how much more unreadable this forum would become if that were to happen.

So I'm pretty sure that's the rationale behind why one-liners and posts that are insignificant get deleted--and it's in the rules, too.  Just make thoughtful posts (like the post you made here, OP) and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.  If you want to "like" a post, give it a merit if you have any.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
You definitely won't get away with posting something like "Great!".  On most other forums that would be fine, and it seems to have been fine in the early days of bitcointalk, but I think forum standards changed once most people started getting paid to post here.  Since some campaigns don't have character minimums, if mods didn't delete such short posts as the one you mentioned, everyone in a sig campaign that didn't count characters would be posting "Nice!" or "+1" a hundred times per day.  And just think about how much more unreadable this forum would become if that were to happen.

So I'm pretty sure that's the rationale behind why one-liners and posts that are insignificant get deleted--and it's in the rules, too.  

Unfortunately this forum's rules are more and more set up in the way that it's impossible to communicate for the normal human beings. Thus fighting with the bots and people that are here for other reasons the moderators are pushing away people like me that has something to say.

I've understood why my post was deleted (although I don't agree it made sense and was necessary in that context), but I don't know how is it possible that it was reported, since I consider to be doing a good job for my coins community.

And if it wasn't reported should I consider the moderator has targeted me specifically? (Since I constantly have my posts deleted).

I also still think the moderators has to be moderate in their moderating. If there is someone constantly publishing one words posts in many different topics it's different from someone who has just posted it once in an appropriate moment of discussion in which he was truly involved.

Just make thoughtful posts (like the post you made here, OP) and you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
This is also not quite true, since I've posted here very thoughtful posts with many words and was moderated because the moderators were moderating not on the base of the rules but on the base of their personal interests. Specifically they didn't want me to publish facts about some crypto I was finding on this same forum. So yes I have something to be worried about and I'm specifically scared to comunicate here, because I never know what will be moderated here and why.

If you want to "like" a post, give it a merit if you have any.
Great advice. Would you give me a merit if I say a question is solved?


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Welsh on May 13, 2021, 02:10:02 PM
You can quite clearly post well written responses, so there isn't really an issue there. Just know that, if you do post replies which aren't significant, or add anything to the original discussion then it is likely to be deleted. No matter who you are, I've had posts deleted in the past, and I'm pretty sure many other staff have. I highly doubt that its a targeted action.

Unfortunately this forum's rules are more and more set up in the way that it's impossible to communicate for the normal human beings. Thus fighting with the bots and people that are here for other reasons the moderators are pushing away people like me that has something to say.
Yeah, most forums aren't really catering to the general chit chat, that you would have in general life, which I believe is a good thing. Most users here come to discuss, without much small talk. I'm not a big fan of small talk in general life, let alone on a forum.

You might have something to say, but that reply of "Great" isn't saying anything really. Alternatively, if someone has helped you, or you've helped them, and you either want to say thank you, or whatever then a personal message is the better option.

And if it wasn't reported should I consider the moderator has targeted me specifically? (Since I constantly have my posts deleted).

This isn't specifically targeting you, and I'd like for you to just imagine if we were to allow this sort of responses in the future. The whole forum, and threads would be littered with "Thank you", "Cool", and other low quality replies, which would ultimately lead to the thread becoming harder to read. Since, everyone would be having personal conversations, rather than contributing to the overall discussion.

Also, regarding it potentially not being reported. Usually, I tend to go through some of the sections I moderate, and delete replies which haven't been reported, but I believe to be breaking the guidelines. That's just something I do, and I'm sure other moderators here do it too. Same as if we just happen upon your response, like any other user instead of reporting it, we would just remove it if we believe it infringes the guidelines.

So, posts can be deleted whether or not they've actually been reported, but this doesn't mean we are targeting you. Just for the record, I don't believe I was the one that took action on this post.

I also still think the moderators has to be moderate in their moderating. If there is someone constantly publishing one words posts in many different topics it's different from someone who has just posted it once in an appropriate moment of discussion in which he was truly involved.
I would somewhat agree, although the difference is that these posts are still deleted or moved, but the users which are constantly breaking the same rule are more likely to receive harsher punishments. We don't just ignore your one off rule break, because that would be unfair on others. Instead, we just what we believe is the appropriate action.

Plus, I use the rule break lightly since a lot of users simply just don't realize their reply was off topic, or they placed their thread in the wrong section. Honestly, that isn't much of a big deal, that's why there are moderators here that can handle this sort of stuff to keep the forum organized, and somewhat readable.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 13, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
I've had worse. One user asked a yes/no question. I answered "no". My post was deleted. I cried for a couple of days but I got over it. I think. Still getting misty-eyed when I think about it. It took me a 2, maybe even 3 seconds to craft that totally-on-topic and very useful response. The forum is now so much worse without that valuable contribution.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
I think that if there is rule that one word can't be posted the thing can be automated, there is no need to have moderators for that.

If there are moderators to look into it they should act as human beings, not as robots blindly applying the rules.

"Great!" - can be just "the general chit chat" for someone who is "not a big fan of small talk", but when he is on the Communities service his personal preferences shouldn't matter that much.

The Goethe's tragedy Faust (in case someone knows what's I'm speaking about) finishes with just one word "Saved!" and that word make the tragedy a great masterpiece without which it wouldn't probably be that.

The Bitcoin code finishes also with just on word, but without that word it wouldn't be usable either.

It was days we were trying to find a solution of an issue and I specifically asked the person we were trying to help whether he has solved. Once he's answered in a relatively positive way I answered him "Great!" because it was a logical conclusion of the discussion we were doing, for me it's just normal to be polite with people, of course I could've dropped the discussion without answering anything, but I feel I'd be rude in that context if I wouldn't answer anything to that person. It's like if someone asks me "How are you?" and I keep silent because the rule imposes me to not use just one word "Fine".

I think if the rule is equal for all just make in the way I can't post one word, if the moderator is there to contribute as a human being he has to understand the context before automatically applying the rule. If not he is just another bot here.

I've had worse. One user asked a yes/no question. I answered "no". My post was deleted. I cried for a couple of days but I got over it. I think. Still getting misty-eyed when I think about it. It took me a 2, maybe even 3 seconds to craft that totally-on-topic and very useful response. The forum is now so much worse without that valuable contribution.

 :)
I'm being constantly moderated here though, not because of short replies or rude posts or anything specific, just for no reason. At least it's how I feel it.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Halab on May 13, 2021, 04:12:09 PM
I'm being constantly moderated here though, not because of short replies or rude posts or anything specific, just for no reason. At least it's how I feel it.

What is your definition of "constantly moderated" ?

I looked at the modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php), and you only appear once. But the modlog only keeps info for a few weeks/months.

BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=63838) shows only 3 deleted posts.

I had time to waste and went to check your posts scrapped by LoyceV: https://loyce.club/archive/members/6/63838.html. I checked the last 100 posts (from November 2020 to today) and saw that 3 posts were deleted. They are numbers 231, 233 and 290.

But you are an old member from 2012, maybe you are talking about old deleted posts ? But since scrappers have been around (~2018-2019?), you can't really say that you are "constantly moderated". No ? 



Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: UserU on May 13, 2021, 04:16:23 PM
I think that if there is rule that one word can't be posted the thing can be automated, there is no need to have moderators for that.

If there are moderators to look into it they should act as human beings, not as robots blindly applying the rules.

"Great!" - can be just "the general chit chat" for someone who is "not a big fan of small talk", but when he is on the Communities service his personal preferences shouldn't matter that much.

The Goethe's tragedy Faust (in case someone knows what's I'm speaking about) finishes with just one word "Saved!" and that word make the tragedy a great masterpiece without which it wouldn't probably be that.

The Bitcoin code finishes also with just on word, but without that word it wouldn't be usable either.

It was days we were trying to find a solution of an issue and I specifically asked the person we were trying to help whether he has solved. Once he's answered in a relatively positive way I answered him "Great!" because it was a logical conclusion of the discussion we were doing, for me it's just normal to be polite with people, of course I could've dropped the discussion without answering anything, but I feel I'd be rude in that context if I wouldn't answer anything to that person. It's like if someone asks me "How are you?" and I keep silent because the rule imposes me to not use just one word "Fine".

I think if the rule is equal for all just make in the way I can't post one word, if the moderator is there to contribute as a human being he has to understand the context before automatically applying the rule. If not he is just another bot here.

I'm being constantly moderated here though, not because of short replies or rude posts or anything specific, just for no reason. At least it's how I feel it.

Imagine your months-old post still getting deleted from time to time. It really leaves me feeling down https://cdnv1.csgo500.io/emotes/pepesad.png

And there was a time I got banned without realizing what I did wrong (reason was generic) only to find out weeks later that it was a thread I posted that was "flagged" for reflink spamming.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 13, 2021, 04:40:49 PM
I think if the rule is equal for all just make in the way I can't post one word, if the moderator is there to contribute as a human being he has to understand the context before automatically applying the rule. If not he is just another bot here.

The problem is not the number of words, it's about what it brings to the forum. And regardless of how you personally feel about it, the answer in most cases is that short replies like "thanks", "great", "good project sir" just bump the thread for hundreds of users, add it to watchlists, etc, and don't really carry any useful content. There are different environments for chatting, like Discord or Telegram, where garbage just scrolls off the screen and no one ever reads it again. This forum is not like that, or at least we're trying to make it not like that, despite the best efforts of millennials to twitterize it.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 04:48:33 PM
.... short replies like "thanks", "great", "good project sir" just bump the thread for hundreds of users, add it to watchlists, etc, and don't really carry any useful content.

I've already replied to this above, you are teaching me on how to bring useful content to the forum, right?


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Welsh on May 13, 2021, 05:02:22 PM
"Great!" - can be just "the general chit chat" for someone who is "not a big fan of small talk", but when he is on the Communities service his personal preferences shouldn't matter that much.
Well, I might not be a big fan of small talk, or like the idea of general chit chat, but I wouldn't be enforcing the rules based on my personal opinion on it. It would be removed for being low quality or if it was concerning posts about general chit chat it would likely be removed for being off topic.
 
for me it's just normal to be polite with people, of course I could've dropped the discussion without answering anything, but I feel I'd be rude in that context if I wouldn't answer anything to that person. It's like if someone asks me "How are you?" and I keep silent because the rule imposes me to not use just one word "Fine".
I agree that being polite is a good quality. Although, these sort of things can be done in personal messages if you really want to let them know you've seen the message or whatever. By bumping a thread as suggested above, it bumps the thread for many others who happen to be in that section. Not only that, sometimes users like to read the entire thread, which if these sort of posts were allowed they would quickly congest threads.

So, my advice would be to send a personal message if you want to say something like "Great, let me know if you need any more help" or something along those lines.


because it has become almost impossible to login using TOR (which of course is another matter).
This page might help you: https://bitcointalk.org/captcha_code.php

It allows you to bypass the captcha, and is quite handy when running into captcha issues when using Tor or any IP that has issues with the captcha service.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Pmalek on May 13, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Since some campaigns don't have character minimums, if mods didn't delete such short posts as the one you mentioned, everyone in a sig campaign that didn't count characters would be posting "Nice!" or "+1" a hundred times per day.
I think that all reputable bitcoin campaigns have a 100-200 minimum character requirement for posts. I can't remember seeing one in the previous years without such requirements. When it comes to altcoin campaigns, I really wouldn't know. 

I have another nick though I was doing an important work with, in fact it was receiving a lot of merits and people still wondering there why I'm not going on with that thread and I specifically stopped to posting there because of moderation (the posts that required hours and hours of research from my side were being deleted because someone was not happy to read the truth about how they crypto was launched, of course I was polite as ever publishing the info) and because it has become almost impossible to login using TOR (which of course is another matter).
If you have an alt-account whose posts are getting deleted, that's a completely different matter and an unrelated case to this one. The point of discussion here is the post "great" that got deleted, and everyone seems to agree that it was rightly so.

No one can comment on the deleted posts from your alt account because we haven't seen them, we don't know where they were posted, and so no one can comment on the possible reasons of deletion. Even though you say that your posts were truthful, that doesn't make them on-topic and relevant to the discussion, and can cause them to be deleted. You might have also posted your posts in self-moderated threads and had them deleted by the thread starters and not the mods.

As an example:
If there is a thread that discusses a recent cooperation between two altcoin projects and the implications the deal can have for the value of the coins, a truthful post from your side how altcoin project A is a scam for reasons A, B, and C, can be seen as off-topic and be deleted.

The better option for you would be to start your own thread in the Scam Accusation or Reputation board and explain why you think the project is fraudulent. That would then be a potentially valuable and on-topic discussion.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 13, 2021, 05:16:33 PM
.... short replies like "thanks", "great", "good project sir" just bump the thread for hundreds of users, add it to watchlists, etc, and don't really carry any useful content.

I've already replied to this above, you are teaching me on how to bring useful content to the forum, right?

I'm expressing my opinion about the topic of your thread. You know, doing the thing this forum is for. If I wasn't sufficiently clear with my post: I think that by deleting 3 of your posts or even my invaluable "no" post, moderators are not going to impede the next Goethe or Nakamoto rising to their greatness.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 05:19:59 PM
I looked at the modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php), and you only appear once. But the modlog only keeps info for a few weeks/months.

BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=63838) shows only 3 deleted posts.


You are perfectly right.
I've got 3 posts deleted in about one year and a half with this account and 9 posts deleted in about two years with another account I had.

One of the above 3 posts was just "Great tool! Thank you" - which of course doesn't add anything to the content of this forum, since being rude or polite is the same here.

Another one is "Great!" we are discussing here.

The third one is not short and has some original thought in it, but the moderator hasn't probably understood it so he just deleted it, who knows maybe he was in a different mood and of course who cares how do the user feels about?

Among the mentioned 9 posts:
One is just "Agreed". Of course I can't agree with some consideration of the other user that is posting in my thread. It doesn't add any value if I agree and adjust my post accordingly. The most important thing is to keep moderators being robots here.

The other 7 were similar to spam as I was posting slightly modified text in different threads to inform people their coin were added to my list (which should've make them pleasure). But probably the moderator had better things to do than trying to understand whether my posts were bringing value here.

By bumping a thread as suggested above, it bumps the thread for many others who happen to be in that section.
I've already answered to this above. Bumping doesn't apply to coin announcements.

So, my advice would be to send a personal message if you want to say something like "Great, let me know if you need any more help" or something along those lines.
I want people in community to be encouraged by my caring about the issues of one of the users to ask for more assistance.
If I comunicate things privately it wouldn't make sense and I'd also appear rude to other users that are reading the thread.
It's as if I was asked "How are you" publicly and then would send an sms "Fine" because someone imposed me no-one-word rule.

This page might help you: https://bitcointalk.org/captcha_code.php

It allows you to bypass the captcha, and is quite handy when running into captcha issues when using Tor or any IP that has issues with the captcha service.
Nice suggestion, it was not available in those times at least when complained with themos I've got no answer.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: philipma1957 on May 13, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
Well, that's the way things work here. That post wouldn't have been deleted in other forums, but usually too short posts that don't add anything meaningful are at risk of being reported and deleted.

In my case, I had some posts deleted after someone considered one of my posts low value and went through my post history on a reporting spree. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5302177.msg55884926#msg55884926)

It has not happened again, I guess it is clear that I am a decent poster. Although I suppose I might get some post deleted in the future, as most people in the forum have.

I'm not sure the moderators have to interfere with the communication because of the length of the post, especially if they don't bother themselves to read all the rest of the conversation to see it was not just a casual comment.

I've personally got many of my posts moderated so far. Specifically I was doing a quality research creating a dedicated topic here and thus I was answering to the question of people in a very serious manner, dedicating hours and hours of work of research posting replies that later on were moderated for the reasons I don't know, which has made me stop working on the topic here and the forum has lost a lot of quality content.

However I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to create a tool for those like me that would like to know why they've been moderated.

I helped some fix an issue the thread was six or seven posts we got the issue fixed. so I post this

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Quote
hello, i have just started to mine LTC with bitmain antminer L3 on viabtc.com

so i have told that i have to choose pps+ to get rewarded of doge, but on website it is written that i have to choose ppln..

i have a question if you are mining on viabtc what did you choose? thanks for answer

pps+


https://i.imgur.com/r4ETpFa.png

thanks



good luck as doge is amazing at the moment

As I helped the guy get squared away and was merely being civil.

mods deleted it.  As being civil and encouraging new people seems to be frowned upon.


I have no signature for profit as I no longer believe in doing that. But that is simply the way of this forum it doe not care if you are polite or civil .


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Igebotz on May 13, 2021, 05:33:25 PM
Unfortunately this forum's rules are more and more set up in the way that it's impossible to communicate for the normal human beings. Thus fighting with the bots and people that are here for other reasons the moderators are pushing away people like me that has something to say.
The moderator who deleted your post did so within the rules, the single reply "Great" is an offtopic and does not add value to the thread and its consider spamming. Rules on posting became very strict since the Merit and Activity system was introduced to the forum to make sure shit posters don't go around accumulating Activity points doing nothing. If you wish to express your feelings through post make it a bit longer, maybe a 2 lines sentence cause most of the time 1 line post are considered off-topic or spam.

You are a Sr. Member you should know Basic rules and how things work OP.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 05:39:36 PM
If you have an alt-account whose posts are getting deleted, that's a completely different matter and an unrelated case to this one.
This thread is not about "Great!" post being deleted.

Of course I can be lying about me being moderated with another nick, but I mentioned it because I was trying to understand why do I have an impression being constantly moderated while I have "only" 3 posts deleted so far.

The point of discussion here is the post "great" that got deleted, and everyone seems to agree that it was rightly so.
I'm quite used nobody agrees with my opinion.


Edit:
I'm giving up replying to this thread, since people are beginning posting unrelated nonsenses that has nothing to do with what I was speaking about and also I can't reply the same thing ten times in row because nobody cares to read what I've already said.

Making money on your signatures is great, but I can't reply to any casual thing you post in "reply" to "me".

You are fighting to have a meaningful forum and are posting without even reading the others. And of course I should follow the absurd rule to not reply to people with one word.

I'll be posting here next time I'll be moderated if it happens, hope other people who feel bad about being moderated by people who don't really care about what's going in the thread they are moderating will post here as well.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: OgNasty on May 13, 2021, 07:17:41 PM
My experience with mods has had some pretty shitty moments.  My mining thread is impossible to have any sort of discussion due to deletion of anyone who posts anything out of fear they're trying to inflate their post count.  Additionally, I've had users outright disrupt honest projects with lies repeatedly for years, post personal information, make up events that never happened, etc. with next to no repercussions.  Those in charge have even asked people to forgive users for harassing and breaking the rules here to troll me.  I've also had for sale threads moved from their appropriate sections & countless on topic posts of mine deleted.  I don't know if the mods are overworked, undermanaged, play favorites, or just don't care, but it seems like there are probably a lot of people on the internet who would love to have such a high paying job requiring such a low skill level and would probably do an honest job at it without rushing through and trying to handle reports without really looking into any of them.  


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 08:25:44 PM
My experience with mods has had some pretty shitty moments.  My mining thread is impossible to have any sort of discussion due to deletion of anyone who posts anything out of fear they're trying to inflate their post count.  Additionally, I've had users outright disrupt honest projects with lies repeatedly for years, post personal information, make up events that never happened, etc. with next to no repercussions.  Those in charge have even asked people to forgive users for harassing and breaking the rules here to troll me.  I've also had for sale threads moved from their appropriate sections & countless on topic posts of mine deleted.  I don't know if the mods are overworked, undermanaged, play favorites, or just don't care, but it seems like there are probably a lot of people on the internet who would love to have such a high paying job requiring such a low skill level and would probably do an honest job at it without rushing through and trying to handle reports without really looking into any of them.  

Are you serious?
My issues are just nothing compared to what you are speaking about.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Pmalek on May 13, 2021, 08:27:54 PM
Let me sum up what has been said so far in this thread. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You had a one-word post ("great") deleted by the mods and you don't know why that happened. Several members stated that low-quality posts that don't improve the discussions are often deleted if reported. You then went on to state that you have had many of your posts deleted. In my opinion, you feel like you are being treated unfairly because many of your posts were deleted in the past.

One staff member took a look at your profile and determined that your claim of being "constantly moderated" doesn't hold water because you have only had 3 posts deleted, including the "great" post. You confirmed that to be true and went on to mention that a second account of yours has had 9 posts deleted in the last 2 years. 1 of those posts was another one-liner ("agreed"), and 7 posts were (in your own words) "similar to spam".

From those 9 posts that were deleted, you had 7 spam posts and 1 one-liner moderated. You never mentioned what the 9th post was about. Not counting the posts that were deleted for being one-liners and spam, there are 3 posts in total (on both of your accounts) that you haven't shown here that got deleted. Whether or not they were deleted unfairly can only be determined if we know what those posts are. From being constantly moderated and having many of your posts deleted, we are now down to 3 posts whose content and quality is not yet known.

Have I made any mistakes with the above post, or would you say it's a correct summary?           


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
Let me sum up what has been said so far in this thread. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

You had a one-word post ("great") deleted by the mods and you don't know why that happened. Several members stated that low-quality posts that don't improve the discussions are often deleted if reported. You then went on to state that you have had many of your posts deleted. In my opinion, you feel like you are being treated unfairly because many of your posts were deleted in the past.

One staff member took a look at your profile and determined that your claim of being "constantly moderated" doesn't hold water because you have only had 3 posts deleted, including the "great" post. You confirmed that to be true and went on to mention that a second account of yours has had 9 posts deleted in the last 2 years. 1 of those posts was another one-liner ("agreed"), and 7 posts were (in your own words) "similar to spam".

From those 9 posts that were deleted, you had 7 spam posts and 1 one-liner moderated. You never mentioned what the 9th post was about. Not counting the posts that were deleted for being one-liners and spam, there are 3 posts in total (on both of your accounts) that you haven't shown here that got deleted. Whether or not they were deleted unfairly can only be determined if we know what those posts are. From being constantly moderated and having many of your posts deleted, we are now down to 3 posts whose content and quality is not yet known.

Have I made any mistakes with the above post, or would you say it's a correct summary?          

All you are summarising here is not relevant for the topic I've opened in this thread.

I think writing "Great!" to a community member in a thread that has not so many people following it adds much more value to the forum than insisting that the rule that prohibits posting just one word make sense and has to be executed religiously regardless any other thing.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 13, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
the rule that prohibits posting just one word

The way you keep repeating this seems to indicate that you will never accept any other explanation than the one you made up before starting this thread. There is no such rule. The list of rules is pinned at the top of this board, check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 13, 2021, 10:16:07 PM
the rule that prohibits posting just one word

The way you keep repeating this seems to indicate that you will never accept any other explanation than the one you made up before starting this thread. There is no such rule. The list of rules is pinned at the top of this board, check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0


I see what you mean.

My post was moderated because of this:
" No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads."

Which has the following explanation:
"1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads."

I've also explained why I think it was not only not pointless but also important to post what I posted, in fact I also re-posted it again as you can see using the link in the OP.

If I keep repeating "just one word" it's to be more direct in expressing what I mean, maybe I have a wrong way to express myself.

What I truly keep repeating here is that if the rule doesn't let the normal people like me (that are not doing any harm, any paid signature campaign, any spamming, any bumping and so on) to comunicate comfortably it has to be changed or the people who apply the rule has to be more flexible.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the rules are created by people for the people and if the rule is not perfect it can be improved and it's a good thing to discuss about.

About two years ago I complained with themos about the impossibility to login using Tor here and now I've discovered  a solution was found to solve that issue.

I'm used to speak much more earlier about the issues so people are being aggressive towards me because they are not seeing any issue, but later on they realize there is an issue and change things.

Rarely my merit is being recognized though.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: libert19 on May 14, 2021, 03:09:36 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 05:27:34 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: libert19 on May 14, 2021, 05:30:09 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Findingnemo on May 14, 2021, 06:33:00 AM
Only the moderator who deleted it can explain it why it was deleted,

I can understand your feeling but that's how it used to be in bitcointalk so we have no choice other than accepting it.



Adding the reason for post deletion can be valuable and avoid threads like this in future when a moderator delete a post and leave a note for doing it discussed many times already but there is no progress about it.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on May 14, 2021, 06:47:05 AM
One gets the impression that every word, and possibly every letter of the OP, as they say, is "worth its weight in gold"
Are you inviting every user whose posts have been deleted to come into the meta and find out the reason?
Let's take a look at the actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.0) theme. Just imagine how many resentful users will come here with proof of the value of their posts.
Due to 9 posts, the second page of this drama is already underway.
You belong to a community, and you must respect the rules. In the end, for the future, persuade yourself to write a little more meaningful posts. Agree that the forum is not messengers, where interjections and emoticons replace emotions.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 07:24:04 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.
Your original comment shouldn't generally tolerated as it doesn't add any value except to your pockets.

My reply to your comment even being just one word communicate all that in one word, but of course my comment is most likely to be moderated and the 30% of the spam comments like your I've got here are perfectly in line with the "rule" I must respect, as someone has said in the comment just above:
You belong to a community, and you must respect the rules.


Just imagine how many resentful users will come here with proof of the value of their posts.
Not many as you can see, in fact for the moment there are very few here.
If someone posts just a spam comment (that is contrary to mine "Great!" comment is against the first rule of the forum), he won't be here complaining.
Since I haven't posted a spam comment, because it was a conclusion of a two weeks work I participated I'm complaining, because in my opinion the moderator should understand if my comment is a spam or not. Being a comment just one word comment doesn't automatically means the mentioned rule is involved.

I agree to respect the rules, but who applies them has to respect me as well and treat me as an honest contributor and not as a spammer which I'm not.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: libert19 on May 14, 2021, 07:25:45 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.

Your original comment shouldn't generally tolerated as it doesn't add any value except to your pockets.

My reply to your comment even being just one word communicate all that in one word, but of course my comment is most likely to be moderated and the 30% of the spam comments like your I've got here are perfectly in line with the "rule" I have to respect, as someone has said in the comment just above.

No, my comment will also get nuked, I knew it when I wrote it.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: FIFA worldcup on May 14, 2021, 07:31:57 AM
I've had worse. One user asked a yes/no question. I answered "no". My post was deleted. I cried for a couple of days but I got over it. I think. Still getting misty-eyed when I think about it. It took me a 2, maybe even 3 seconds to craft that totally-on-topic and very useful response. The forum is now so much worse without that valuable contribution.

I think if a person (most probably a newbie would do such a thing) repeatedly posts one liners like Great, OK, Yes , No should be deleted but if anyone rarely do such post then these should not be treated as spam.

As for your example, instead of writing only No if you have written as "No, I don't agree with you and my answer for your question is No. So you can consider my response on your view point as No" . This will make it a constructive post  ???


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 07:34:50 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.

Your original comment shouldn't generally tolerated as it doesn't add any value except to your pockets.

My reply to your comment even being just one word communicate all that in one word, but of course my comment is most likely to be moderated and the 30% of the spam comments like your I've got here are perfectly in line with the "rule" I have to respect, as someone has said in the comment just above.

No, my comment will also get nuked, I knew it when I wrote it.
Let's see then....


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: JohnBitCo on May 14, 2021, 07:43:52 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.

Your original comment shouldn't generally tolerated as it doesn't add any value except to your pockets.

My reply to your comment even being just one word communicate all that in one word, but of course my comment is most likely to be moderated and the 30% of the spam comments like your I've got here are perfectly in line with the "rule" I have to respect, as someone has said in the comment just above.

No, my comment will also get nuked, I knew it when I wrote it.
Let's see then....

My concern is that do such comments get deleted because some people report them ? 
Or they are directly seen by the mods and they delete them ?


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 07:45:29 AM
Well, if your comment had just one word 'great', it makes sense that it got deleted, doesn't it?
Maybe

This will also likely get deleted, one word comments are generally not tolerated.

Your original comment shouldn't generally tolerated as it doesn't add any value except to your pockets.

My reply to your comment even being just one word communicate all that in one word, but of course my comment is most likely to be moderated and the 30% of the spam comments like your I've got here are perfectly in line with the "rule" I have to respect, as someone has said in the comment just above.

No, my comment will also get nuked, I knew it when I wrote it.
Let's see then....

My concern is that do such comments get deleted because some people report them ?  
Or they are directly seen by the mods and they delete them ?

They don't see them. Or someone reports or they do some causal research deleting what they just don't like.

And apparently nobody checks what they are deleting and why.

At least that's what I've got from this conversation.


I helped some fix an issue the thread was six or seven posts we got the issue fixed. so I post this

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Quote
hello, i have just started to mine LTC with bitmain antminer L3 on viabtc.com

so i have told that i have to choose pps+ to get rewarded of doge, but on website it is written that i have to choose ppln..

i have a question if you are mining on viabtc what did you choose? thanks for answer

pps+


https://i.imgur.com/r4ETpFa.png

thanks



good luck as doge is amazing at the moment

As I helped the guy get squared away and was merely being civil.

mods deleted it.  As being civil and encouraging new people seems to be frowned upon.


I have no signature for profit as I no longer believe in doing that. But that is simply the way of this forum it doe not care if you are polite or civil .

This indeed is a good example of one word comment that delivers value and that shouldn't have been moderated.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Pmalek on May 14, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
My concern is that do such comments get deleted because some people report them ? 
Or they are directly seen by the mods and they delete them ?
Both of those things happen. If you report a post, it will go on the to do list of the responsible staff member who then has to take action. Depending on what it it is, the post can get deleted, merged with a previous one, or left the way it is if the mod is unsure.

Welsh said himself that he doesn't just sit around and wait for other members to report something. He browses the sections he is responsible for and deleted whatever he feels breaks the rules: 

Also, regarding it potentially not being reported. Usually, I tend to go through some of the sections I moderate, and delete replies which haven't been reported, but I believe to be breaking the guidelines. That's just something I do, and I'm sure other moderators here do it too. Same as if we just happen upon your response, like any other user instead of reporting it, we would just remove it if we believe it infringes the guidelines.

So, posts can be deleted whether or not they've actually been reported, but this doesn't mean we are targeting you.


Title: Re: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: FIFA worldcup on May 14, 2021, 12:03:12 PM
They don't see them. Or someone reports or they do some causal research deleting what they just don't like.

So this means that the responsibilities also lies with the ones who reports them only to get their number of correct reports count increase.
So many people have so many different motives here. ::)


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 14, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
I've had worse. One user asked a yes/no question. I answered "no". My post was deleted. I cried for a couple of days but I got over it. I think. Still getting misty-eyed when I think about it. It took me a 2, maybe even 3 seconds to craft that totally-on-topic and very useful response. The forum is now so much worse without that valuable contribution.

I think if a person (most probably a newbie would do such a thing) repeatedly posts one liners like Great, OK, Yes , No should be deleted but if anyone rarely do such post then these should not be treated as spam.

As for your example, instead of writing only No if you have written as "No, I don't agree with you and my answer for your question is No. So you can consider my response on your view point as No" . This will make it a constructive post  ???

I think you're falling for the OP's fallacy that only word count matters. If you just add fluff like your example - it would still be a low value post. It might be less likely to be reported or otherwise noticed by mods, and that's how many spammers are able to skate by, but that doesn't make it right. Adding substance to the post, i.e. explaining why the answer is "no", or why someone/something is "great", in a manner that is useful to other users - that might make it better. But the real solution is to not make such posts.

The other part of that fallacy is that "thanks" or "great" or whatever makes someone polite, and lack of such one-word replies makes someone rude... no, it doesn't. There is no such expectation here. Unfortunately this texting/chatting nonsense is infiltrating everything - from business e-mails to discussion forums and it will inevitably kill this site too. But until then why don't we stop looking at those deleted posts as some sort of crime and take it as a learning opportunity.



Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 03:11:24 PM
They don't see them. Or someone reports or they do some causal research deleting what they just don't like.

So this means that the responsibilities also lies with the ones who reports them only to get their number of correct reports count increase.
So many people have so many different motives here. ::)
Interesting insight.

But the real solution is to not make such posts.
The real solution is to create the rules that works for the people, not to create a subset that accepts absurd rules.

The other part of that fallacy is that "thanks" or "great" or whatever makes someone polite, and lack of such one-word replies makes someone rude... no, it doesn't.
The construction [if]... [then]...[else]..[end if] make sense in the same manner as "Thank you"-"Np" construction in the human communication.
The construction "Thank you" - [?] doesn't make sense in the same manner as [if]...[then]...[else]...[nothing here even if it should be]. It just doesn't work.

The moderator has to do his work well distinguishing where is the spam and where is the natural human communication if he fails doing so he is just another meaningless bot, which is what we are supposed to be fighting with those rules.

The other way of thinking here is that I have to learn moderators moods (because I'm asked to comply with their interpretation not with the rule itself) and if I wasn't able to it's my fault.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: suchmoon on May 14, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
The real solution is to create the rules that works for the people, not to create a subset that accepts absurd rules.

The rules have worked fine "for the people" for years. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

The construction [if]... [then]...[else]..[end if] make sense in the same manner as "Thank you"-"Np" construction for instance.
The construction "Thank you" - [?] doesn't make sense in the same manner as [if]...[then]...[else]...[nothing here even if it should be be].

If works perfectly fine without "end if" in python or in C-style single-statement form and it works perfectly fine without the fluffy-cuddly chatter on this forum. We don't need to start all threads with single-word "Hi" post, or end them with "thanks" or "best regards" posts.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 03:53:38 PM
The rules have worked fine "for the people" for years.
Maybe you are right. However many things have worked well for years and then was changed into something better.

If works perfectly fine without "end if" in python or in C-style single-statement form
I knew you'd tell it.

...it works perfectly fine without the fluffy-cuddly chatter on this forum. We don't need to start all threads with single-word "Hi" post, or end them with "thanks" or "best regards" posts.
I agree with your opinion and you can do as you wish, but your opinion is forced on me through absurd rules (or even worse, its interpretations), so I can't do as I wish, that's the issue.

I have to be afraid to communicate normally because someone has decided it's better another way around. That's not cool, IMO.


Title: Re: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Lafu on May 14, 2021, 04:07:51 PM
When i started reporting there was a lot of threads and posts like " great " and "very nice"
I havnt reported one your posts or in your thread , ages ago mostly it was some kind of bots and Accounts that pumping a thread with that.
Maybe just spread out your posting on that and i guess you will find the words for write back to the Users you help.
Personal i have not maked a bad experience of being moderated.


Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Halab on May 14, 2021, 05:15:26 PM
The moderator has to do his work well distinguishing where is the spam and where is the natural human communication if he fails doing so he is just another meaningless bot, which is what we are supposed to be fighting with those rules.

You must also understand that no moderator is in your head. If behind your "Great" we must understand "Great, this two-weeks problem is finally solved, I was happy to help you", you're not helping the moderation much.
In a perfect world, the moderator could have taken 10 minutes of his time to go back over the conversation and try to understand the context of that "Great" a little better.

Let's do some simple maths. And I give you a little secret, on average since July 2016, there are 16 405 reports per month across all Bitcointalk.
The Altcoins section is probably the section where there are the most reports (but I don't have the exact numbers), let's say 15% of reports come from the Altcoins section (Discussions, Ann, etc...).
4 moderators can act on these sections : Welsh, Mprep, Hilariousandco and Mr Big. There are also patrollers (for newbies) and admins who can moderate, but let's ignore them to simplify the calculations.

16405 *15% = 2460 reports in the Altcoins section
2460 / 4 mods = 615 reports per mod (For the record, if I have 20-30 reports a month in the french section to handle, it's a big month for me)
615 * 10min = 6150 min
6150 min / 60 = 102 hours
102h / 24h = 4.25 days

So these 4 mods should spend more than 4 full days per month (sometimes more, sometimes less) just for the Altcoins section. Knowing that the GMs handle other sections, and there are surely reports that take much more time to analyse. And unless I'm mistaken, but being a moderator on Bitcointalk is not a full time job, and we have a job, a life too.

So yes, in your case, the naughty mod had a report on your "Great" and after a few seconds of consideration, he only saw Great = 0 value, so he deleted it. But why a mod should take his time to decipher a "Great", when you didn't take the time to recontextualize your post, to provide a little substance to your post ? Your time is more precious than the time of the mod ? 




Title: Re: Post your your experience of being moderated here
Post by: johnwhitestar on May 14, 2021, 05:30:49 PM
The moderator has to do his work well distinguishing where is the spam and where is the natural human communication if he fails doing so he is just another meaningless bot, which is what we are supposed to be fighting with those rules.

You must also understand that no moderator is in your head. If behind your "Great" we must understand "Great, this two-weeks problem is finally solved, I was happy to help you", you're not helping the moderation much.
In a perfect world, the moderator could have taken 10 minutes of his time to go back over the conversation and try to understand the context of that "Great" a little better.

Let's do some simple maths. And I give you a little secret, on average since July 2016, there are 16 405 reports per month across all Bitcointalk.
The Altcoins section is probably the section where there are the most reports (but I don't have the exact numbers), let's say 15% of reports come from the Altcoins section (Discussions, Ann, etc...).
4 moderators can act on these sections : Welsh, Mprep, Hilariousandco and Mr Big. There are also patrollers (for newbies) and admins who can moderate, but let's ignore them to simplify the calculations.

16405 *15% = 2460 reports in the Altcoins section
2460 / 4 mods = 615 reports per mod (For the record, if I have 20-30 reports a month in the french section to handle, it's a big month for me)
615 * 10min = 6150 min
6150 min / 60 = 102 hours
102h / 24h = 4.25 days

So these 4 mods should spend more than 4 full days per month (sometimes more, sometimes less) just for the Altcoins section. Knowing that the GMs handle other sections, and there are surely reports that take much more time to analyse. And unless I'm mistaken, but being a moderator on Bitcointalk is not a full time job, and we have a job, a life too.

So yes, in your case, the naughty mod had a report on your "Great" and after a few seconds of consideration, he only saw Great = 0 value, so he deleted it. But why a mod should take his time to decipher a "Great", when you didn't take the time to recontextualize your post, to provide a little substance to your post ? Your time is more precious than the time of the mod ?  



Thank you for your explanation. Consider I'm losing my hours too here right now because of just one word. So maybe it somehow important to me.

Wouldn't it make sense to automate the moderation process a bit?

I think it will take like less than 10 minutes of your time to create a query to see which are the users that post across the different threads short sentences of just one-two words and to focus the moderators attention just on them.
If there are people like me that usually stay on the same thread and yes, maybe I'm sinning with some short sentence, but maybe it can save you a lot of time letting me doing that if it's not that frequent?

If I produce usually let say 4000 characters posts and sometimes there are 1-2 words posts it's not a big deal after all, chances are I'm doing that in context of normal human communication.

Don't know whether it can make sense.


Title: Re: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Delightcrypto1 on May 15, 2021, 10:17:00 AM
I have got moderated once though i got to know there scenario that makes post deleted. Such of kind may be plagiarism, assaulted post and may be unnecessary complement.


Title: Re: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: Cryptojurnalist on July 13, 2021, 11:50:03 PM
My experience of being moderated are numerous but among few is being substantially ban for a week and also how my post were deleted severally. Though I almost stop participating in the forum chat but I have to summon courage and continue. I learnt to improve myself when ever I got moderate. I knew everyone here has an experience but however being moderated is not option to quit forum but an option to support forum through quality post. I suggest we all should improve the quality post, only then our post will be free from being moderated.


Title: Re: Post your experience of being moderated here
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 14, 2021, 12:31:13 AM
I suggest we all should improve the quality post, only then our post will be free from being moderated.
I suggest you work on your own posts, because if you've already been banned and have had posts deleted, you're probably a garbage shitposter who's here for all the wrong reasons.  If English is a problem for you (which it seems like it is), I'd also suggest checking out whatever local board is most appropriate for you.  What you wrote had very poor grammar and sentence structure, and in addition it was repetitive.

No wonder you haven't earned any merits yet.