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I was browsing the statistics of Covid-19 in Worldometers today, and was surprised to see that UK had over 11.000 cases yesterday. I was dumbfounded, since UK didn't have any significant amount of cases for the past few months. According to NBCNews, the Delta, which is 40 to 80% more transmissible that the previous variants, is said to be accountable for 95% of the latest surge in cases.

The majority of the new confirmed cases are youngsters, who haven't received the Covid-19 vaccine. Thus, this shows how important it is for all ages to get vaccinated.

https://i.ibb.co/zSrcrkd/daily.png (https://ibb.co/y8XTX32)

Sources: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-k-records-over-10-000-covid-cases-first-time-n1271197

The medical must be pushing the PCR test again.     8)

Wat? Weren't the UK vaccinated mostly? Why is the number going up? Could it be that... vaccines are not as effective as people think they are? Maybe.

Maybe it was the social distancing and lockdowns that reduced the numbers, not the vaccines. That's also a possibility.

^^^ Not only not as effective, but producing loads of variants, besides.

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How scary!

Younger age groups are generally asymptomatic and have a near 0 chance of dying from coronavirus.

That's junk journalism that seeks to scare people. This is what they normally do. They live by causing emocional impact on readers but it has been exacerbated since the coronavirus.


You have commented without reading the news. Although I guess it has happened to all of us at one time or another.

A large percentage of the population has been vaccinated, however, in order to achieve herd immunity, you'll need at least 70% of the population to be vaccinated. Unfortunately, UK and most European countries haven't had their youngsters vaccinated, while most confirmed cases in UK, are young people.

If that's the case...

then why weren't those youngsters catching fire few months ago but now?

The same people weren't vaccinated when the numbers were low as they are not now. Yet, the numbers were low back then and going up now. They decided to get sick now?


I know that already. I thought, they already vaccinated most people so the pandemic was about to end in the UK...

This is not the first time coronavirus has been existing, it has been existing for long time, this is not also the first varient but can be called the first deadly varient, as this deadly ones are existing already, also possible new varients will be existing. But this is not the case in this thread, it is about new people that are admitted in hospital tested to have the disease to have not been vaccinated before. I am not saying anyone should take the vaccine, but that is what the topic above means, while it is young people that are having the virus now which was not like that before, but the young people are not taking the vaccine unlike the old people.

Yeah, it looks strange that in UK, where big part of population is already vaccinated, numbers of new cases is increasing. While in Israel these numbers is minimal - just 27 new cases today and 0 deaths.
But probably these numbers is related with Covid Delta version which comes from India. It spreads faster and as I read, it's mire dangerous for young people than other versions. Also, I read somewhere that only two vaccine shots gives good protection against it. So, people who got just one shot so far still can get infected.

I don't know how true it is but I recently have read something else.

The article or the video was saying that the vaccine is forcing the virus to mutate because the virus is taking precautions to stay alive constantly. His (or Her) idea was that the vaccines are making these mutations...

Made sense to me.

That's not actually true and has already been debunked. On top of that, now that the quarantine measures have eased, young people aren't really careful not taking safety measures seriously.Israel has a higher vaccination percentage, but it could also be an ethical thing, people in Israel might be more careful than in UK.

Something that no one would have expected to happen in auch a country which is abundant in vaccines. But for me, it really isn't that surprising since most of the time people ignore the threats of the virus. They won't even follow simole protocols that would've been able to save them or their families from this virus. They are too confident with their immune system and become too complacent. They are only wasting priveleges that people on some countries would kill to have. I don't even know what is up with the world nowadays.

I didn't say I am sure that it is true. I said It made sense. Unless I see that debunking making more sense, it still makes sense to me.


I already indicated this in my first post.

UK Recording over 10.000 cases


Oh, they're simply talking about 10,000 cases of beer.


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Like you mentioned, it's mainly the young people that are getting infected so this isn't really a big deal.

Same thing will happen every where -- young people aren't getting vaccinated because they don't feel the need, so the cases will periodically have small peaks because the unvaxed get Covid. The thing you need to look at is the death rate. If the deaths begin to increase, then you have a problem. Deaths usually lag behind, so wait 2-3 weeks and then we might worry.

I thought that most of their population already got the vaccine. But with that number of cases, I think they can still isolate it and just push them to recover and receive the vaccine shot and they'll back again in the normal lives.
These youngsters got a better immune system so after they recover, they only have to take the vaccine and for sure they will because they've experienced how hard it is to have covid.

No, you are wrong, are you Corona denier?
It looks more like some variants from India were new now and people are affected. Meanwhile restrictions were lowered and as a result cases are rising. Beaches were also full last time it was reported.
So no junk journalism, just a report how it is right now in UK.

You should better sort out your fake arguments next time, many Corona deniers have made more catchy arguments.

The numbers in India are being massaged by the media and the medical. The States in India that have started implementing wide spread IVERMECTIN, are seeing an almost 100% reduction in Covid and associated deaths. The States that are promoting the vaxx are seeing deaths continue to rise.

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Or maybe not...

I'm in the UK. I've been following the data on a daily basis for well over a year now. If you want to have a look for yourself, this (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/28/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today) is as good a summary as any.

The UK is experiencing a surge in cases due to the rise of the 'delta' variant, which was first identified in India. This now accounts for 99% of new cases (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-99-of-uk-cases-thought-to-be-due-to-delta-variant/). For some reason (which I won't go into now for the purposes of brevity) the UK decided not to put India on the 'red' list of travel restrictions for quite some time, despite being well aware of the spread there of this more transmissible new strain. Red-listing India would have meant that people entering the UK from India would have had to self-isolate, which would almost certainly have reduced the spread.

The 'delta' variant...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/57500637

The UK wasn't concerned enough to put India on the 'red' travel restriction list until 23 April. Which brings to mind this (https://xkcd.com/2278/), yet again.

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Images below from my first link.
We let 20,000 people enter the country from India in the month leading up to 23 April, which was more than sufficient for the variant to take hold in the north-west of England (which has a high Indian population).

https://i.imgur.com/ftsxRsI.jpg

Cases are rising rapidly, but hospitalisations and deaths are not... BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE. (You'd think this wouldn't need explaining yet again, but here we are...)

https://i.imgur.com/WGZk4o8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vl59U3s.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3gWCi5O.jpg

For any anti-vaxxer zealots who remain unconvinced, you might want to also consider that vaccination in the UK has been offered in descending order of age, because older people are more vulnerable to severe effects. So the younger you are, the less likely you've been vaccinated. Here are the case rates by age group.

https://i.imgur.com/bSsdrnd.jpg

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I don't know if you're a creationist, or if you believe in evolution through mutation and natural selection... but that's how humans got here. Viruses — particularly RNA-viruses such as Covid — also mutate and are of course subject to natural selection: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_evolution

Get ready for the third wave and probably this is not going to be limited in the UK, almost every region has to face this and all those vaccination dramas are for political reasons but in reality, people got vaccinated infected with covid and people got vaccinated few minutes after their dosage but the reason the medical field says that this is not happened due to the vaccines.

Oh wow, that's insane. I haven't followed the corona numbers lately because I thought that during summer they were declining everywhere. Wasn't UK the country with the most people being vaccinated? I read about the delta mutation that it is much worse than the previous ones, but the vaccine should fight it too. The only problem is if you have only one dose of the vaccine, than the immunity is not strong enough yet. Does it mean that most people in UK only had one dose of the vaccine?

Finally, someone who speaks out with valid data. Couldn't have said it better myself, however, it's a shame that after all this effort in reducing the transmission of Covid-19, was blown away by some inadequate travelling measures. Indians shouldn't have been let into the country without a vaccine certification and self-isolation.

a vaccine does not create an invisible shield outside the body with a 'do not enter' sign

emphasis: ^ is not how vaccines work.

when people are infected. a vaccine knows how to fight it quick and efficiently and this not produce symptoms
symptoms are where the body have to go into overdrive to do something.

so yes whole lockdowns are relaxing CASE numbers will go up
but the number of hospitalisations per case go down


in 2020 when
it was like for every 100 cases 20 were hospitalised

in 2020
it is like for every 100 cases 7 were hospitalised


yes lockdowns prevent people even getting covid. but thats only a delay tactic.
vaccines fight the virus to prevent hospitalisation and thus death

again
no vaccines do not create a invisible 'do not enter' bubble shield to prevent infection
they do fight off the infection before it causes any negative effects

But Indians are using IVERMECTIN, now. Possibly the safest nation in the world.

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Vaccines can not only reduce the virus transmission, but also reduce the amount of deaths and hospitalizations, since you already have antibodies, this can easily be seen in the UK's statistics, with over 10.000 confirmed daily cases, the amount of deaths is really small, recording 15-20 deaths, despite the high number of cases.

Retired ex-policeman mark sexton reported the govenment for murder and crimes against humanity.
https://rumble.com/vir9o7-retired-ex-policeman-mark-sexton-has-just-visited-the-police-to-report-the-.html

It isn't the number of people who are infected, but the number to people with positive results from unreliable tests. Anyway, who cares about the spread of the virus,it is the number of people who become seriously ill that matters, and that is negligible. We have liked with Corona viruses since the 1930s, and most of us have natural immunity. This can be messed up by the lack of sunlight, wearing face masks, dehydration,confining families indoors, and other measures so beloved of the governments.

They need to try to force total vaccination to remove a control group for evidence when the inevitable claims against vaccine  damage arrive.

peolpe have natural immunity to 'common' corona.. meaning those that have been around

the whole point of the pandemic is that covid is novel.. a NEW varient that has not been around.
yes give it a few seasons and it will be common.

but new varients WHEN NEW cause more issues.

there are other factors too. but dont be an idiot if you think that having been infected by a 1960's strain makes you 100% immortal from a 2019 wuhan strain or the 2020 kent strain or the 2021 indian strain

what you dont want is too many cases. because even if the vaccine is making it less severe health harming.. the very fact that it still passes allows for oppertunity of mutation.
which could cause a strain to be more resistant to previous strain antibodies

there is a minor new strain every 2 weeks (two infection hops) and a strain divergence of significance every 4-5 months when there is peak cases

so its still important to not let the cases get too high. to slow down these divergent strains

I am rather a moron denier. That is distorted journalistic garbage. Just like the garbage argument you use that doesn't mention the most important part of what I said.

That's what you mentioned a few days ago,
Let me inform you that I've known a few people who were in ICU for weeks, they were approximately 18-22 years old while they had no underlying conditions.

Having such a spike in Covid-19 cases is concerning, it's not journalistic garbage, it's statistic information that can be proven anytime.

Yes, because thankfully a lot of us are now vaccinated. Before the vaccine programme, a lot more people were becoming seriously ill (both in total and proportional to cases).
Here are two of the charts I posted previously, along with the cumulative vaccinations chart. You will note that in the last few months cases have risen dramatically again, but the death rate has dropped to near-zero. What could account for this? (Clue: vaccine)

https://i.imgur.com/xj3t99N.png

https://i.imgur.com/WGZk4o8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3gWCi5O.jpg

It looks as if the vaccines are causing the virus to mutate, as well as reducing natural immunity. Wearing face masks is another health threat, and they make it harder to shake off a viral infection.

Haven't you gotten the memo?

Some vaccine-worshiper said it has been debunked. Since it was debunked by somebody which nobody cares, it is now a fact which can be verified by the fact checkers.

just be wary. not saying what you say is wrong.
but cases increase of May 25
become hospitalisations of june 2-3rd
become deaths by june 25th

so the flatline of CASES in may will show a flatline of deaths this week
and wont show an uptick of junes cases.. as resulting deaths until july

EG todays 10k cases. wont show its resulting deaths until next month

what you can do, which i done was look at the aprils cases and compared that to mays deaths
and compared pre may 20th cases to their 'month later' death

basically look at cases last month and deaths this week
dont treat todays deaths as linked to todays cases

EG
not accurate. just being lazy visuals of your 2 graphs(i got data but cant be assed to open my spreadsheets)
                         cases                                 deaths
november2020  20000   = december 2020     400   (2%)
january2021     55000   = febuary 2021        1200  (2%)
may 21 2021    ~3300   = june 21 2021        11(0.3%)

They took the quality control people off the PCR tests, because, why waste the money? People believe whatever garbage they hear the medical say, any way. Don't need to waste money on quality control any longer.

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if only you tried to so some research and not just be an idiot troll
you could end up having better entertaining debates if you atleast tried.

but instead you wast 18months of your life repeating idiot stuff that is meaningless.
get the hint. your posts do not add any value to this forum

If only you tried looking at all the research rather than picking some of it that suits you, and blabbing like that was all the research that existed.

Ten thousand cases reminds me of that old song, "99 Bottles of Beer in the Wall."

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It's no use to even try changing a conspiracy theorist's views about Covid-19 or any subject. They all think they're smarter or the "chosen ones", calling everyone else an idiot or sheep, for following experts who have spent their whole lives studying. But no, Mr.Nobody, who saw a video on Youtube about it knows better.

there are many different levels of conspiracy nuts
1. easily led fangirls. who are a fan of an influencer. but its just a phase that they grow out
   examples are the fangirls of kardashians and trump.
   fans while famous but they get bored when not on TV weekly.
   fangirls no longer buy the influencers advertised fake tan when they no longer see their influencer

2. idealist fangirls where the influencers really try to sell a lie to a group of common interest
    once a fangirl has been told enough about why the lie is a lie. they get angry but then wake up

3. pathalogical fangirls that are addicted and psychotically too deep in the lie to escape
    they kind of know their influencers are a lie. but admitting is is a defeat and a loss.
    they would save face and double down on advertising lies more rather than admit they believed a lie


badecker is a number 3
though its the hardest idiot type to break. it becomes a task of not actually trying to cure him of his perpetual adverts of lies. but to speak down to him and debunk him so that he doesnt recruit more idiots
in short if you can show other readers that badecker is an idiot. other idiots wont b so quick to believe badecker

badecker doesnt think viruses are real probably more so because his adverts dont go viral and he has never experienced fame. so he feels because he cant spread lies. biological viruses cant spread either

Lol. Are you sure you're not a stage comedian? Get out on your boat and do some fishing. Even the fish will love your song and dance.

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I have been noticing the same thing. Conspiracy theorists like f1 constantly talk about people who have a different view of things, and call them conspiracy theorists. Yet, the only evidence and proof you get out of the f1 types, is that they say things like: "We told you so," or "We said you are debunked, so you are absolutely debunked."

Any two people who get together and talk about something, are a conspiracy. The group that gets together to call other groups conspiracy theorists, are a conspiracy themselves. Blab, Blab, Blab. Find the proof for what anyone says, since all groups are conspiracies and conspiracy theorists at the same time... especially if they denounce other groups who have proof when they themselves don't.

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Previous posters have displayed statistics proving their point. A quick google search would also show you that your theory about vaccines creating new Covid-19 strains is false. On top of that, you haven't presented anything to defend your claims.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/05/experts-debunk-claims-that-vaccines-cause-new-covid-19-variants

I know, I know. Your stats are right, and mine are wrong.

For starters, slowly and carefully read the VAERS and Harvard (Lazarus) stats at https://www.openvaers.com/. Think and apply the other stats of the world to them to see that there are a whole bunch of contradictory stats out there.

If you want to believe the CDC stats after that, or the UK stats from their excuse-for-VAERS organization, go ahead. You simply have a religion going for yourself, know it or not.

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That has already been debunked too, VAERS' data isn't confirmed and is also mentioned in CDC's disclaimer "The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable". Anyone can report to that website, thus, it could be coincidental, inaccurate or even fake. 
However, I don't think there's much use in replying to you, you believe what you want to believe.

If you think that you're an expert, just because you read some crap on the internet, well guess what, you are definitely wrong. I highly doubt that you have the credentials to doubt people in the medical field.

The difference between debunked CDC stuff, and the stuff that they believe is true, is based on whatever they want to do. For example. A doctor somewhere in Wyoming pronounces cause of death to be xxxxxx disease. That is what is listed as cause of death. But nobody really knows, because there was no autopsy done, and it is not even proven that an autopsy would have worked to determine the real cause in this case. But the CDC accepts it.

Another example. A coroner in Montana makes a determination of cause of death. But nobody really knows, because there was no autopsy done, and it is not even proven that an autopsy would have worked to determine the real cause in this case. But the CDC accepts it.

Another example. An old man dies in Kansas, from heart disease. How do they know? He had a history of heart problems, and grandson found him dead at home. They accepted a combination of grandson and doctor's probability cause of death... it was heart attack.

The point? All except a few causes of any death - or other statistics in VAERS - have detailed studies behind them to PROVE what is reported in VAERS. But this is the CDC standard for the way it works for cause of death reports... probably the vast majority of them.

So, what's the double standard for? CDC accepts good guess cause of death for most deaths all over the place. But suddenly they don't want to accept VAERS standard good guess cause of death when it has to do with the Covid vaccine.

Who are you going to accept? The CDC or the CDC? Here's who you should accept. The CDC. Accept them for what they are... a totally mixed up bunch of good will liars... with a few bad will liars thrown in.

It doesn't really matter much what VAERS says. Harvard shows that VAERS doesn't get even 1% of the reports. But if they did, it still wouldn't matter, because almost all the reports are good-guess reports, anyway. They are anecdotal, not scientific. And that's the CDC method. So if you accept the CDC, accept what VAERS says rather than what the CDC says about what VAERS says.

In fact, judging by the way people were treated for Covid in the hospitals for the first half of 2020 - multiple thousands died - medical science is anecdotal. Perhaps some of the science was absolutely correct, scientifically. But judging by the great numbers of people who died in the hospital, real science is being applied anecdotally.

Wake up and see that you are being scammed by the medical all the way around, and that the only reason people who see the doctor get any help at all, is because the doctors barely follow written medical directives. Rather, they help their patients get well in ways that are anecdotal at least to a great extent.

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US cases begin to rise due to delta variant: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-june-25-20210625-75nycnybqzfjdpjujrocvhbb6a-story.html

Unvaxed individuals are vulnerable to the delta variant, and if you have one vaccine, you only have some protection. This probably also means we're going down the road of seasonal Covid, where it never gets under control, and people end up needing to get boosters every "season", and that's "if" the vaccine ends up working against all these variants. You're going to see repeated outbreaks every where, not just the UK.

Science only works so fast. They just haven't uncovered all the other variants the vaccines have produced.

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the amount of americans that got covid is lower then the amount that had the vaccine
the amount of people that ended up in hsopital due to covid. is higher then those that got the vaccine
the amount of people that died due to covid is higher than those that died from vaccine

EG lets say the 33mill covid cases were say only the 33% mild-severe ones that got tested. so lets make it a badecker approved exaggeration 100mill that had covid from asymptomatic-severe
with 600k deaths.. thats at badecker approved 0.6% death rate for covid

well 177mill had double dose vaccine..
so if badecker thinks vaccine is worse.. then there would be 1million deaths due to vaccine..(same 0.6%)
so badecker lets see your 1m vaccine deaths

oh wait. badecker will just reply with some lame insult rebuttal but no data, no stats, no reports, no proof, no evidence

and yes badecker i actually manipulated the covid/death rate in your favour.
just to show a lower % for you to then try find some vaccine death numbers to try to come close to
reality is more like 60m for 600k death(1%) where by for those above 45 its more then 1% and those under 30 its under 1%

but instead of settling for 1% ill be happy if you can even find anything close to a 0.6% death rate for vaccine..
so try and prove your point. or accept the reality that you are just wrong

You are making things way more complicated than they are. You forget to factor in the CDC comorbidities of 94%. Did the 94% die from the comorbidities? Or did they died from Covid? The CDC wants us to believe it was Covid. But many of those people would have died from the comorbidities without Covid in a couple of months, anyway. So, at best, Covid was the straw that broke the camel's back.

If you weight a camel down so heavily that when you add a straw, it breaks his back, do you really believe that the straw did it?

You are approximately loony to think like this. Covid didn't kill most of those who died with comorbidities. Covid was just there in those cases. The closest that the CDC comes to being accurate about Covid killing those with comorbidites is, in a few of them, the Covid straw was a gigantic straw, proven by an autopsie. But really, neither the CDC or anybody else knows for a fact what killed them. The few they did autopsies on favored Covid, BECAUSE THE CDC WAS TRYING TO MAKE COVID KILL EVERYTHING.

Playing the comorbidity game with the vaccine shows that the CDC doesn't want to tell the truth. The Covid killing the vaccinated was sent there by the vaccine. So, it's the vaccine killing them rather than the Covid. But because they were both working together, it's difficult to determine which of these two comorbidities is really killing the vaccinated people... the vaccine or Covid. Or in which cases there was some other comorbidity that played a part.

Probably both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated who die from now on, all die from some kind of comorbidity, and mostly one that can't be determined. And the cause of death reports are all anecdotal because REAL autopsies aren't being done on most of them. So, they die anecdotally, just as they have been at least since the CDC was around.


Shock: European Union Reports 1.5 Million Vaccine Injuries, 15,472 Deaths (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/307206-2021-06-25-shock-european-union-reports-1-5-million-vaccine-injuries-15.htm)




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Mutation occurs due to copying errors. This is as true for viruses as it is for humans. The more common a virus is, the more mutations there will be. The more instances there are of a virus replicating, the more mutations (copying errors) there will be. This is extremely basic science. There will be huge numbers of CV19 variants out there. The ones we hear about are the ones that have been identified as being of especial concern, whether due to high transmissibility, immunity to the vaccine, severity of symptoms, etc. Are there other variants that we don't know about? Yes, of course there are.
But vaccines do not cause mutation. Mutation occurs naturally.

If you understood how mutation arises, and also accepted the concept of natural selection through 'survival of the fittest'... then you would understand how evolution works. That's what evolution is, mutation plus natural selection... it occurs by itself, without guidance. This is how both you and I came to exist.

That's right, a virus mutates because it acts through the simple principle of natural selection. It mutates in order to survive. We need to achieve herd immunity via vaccinations, but EU's percentages are still pretty low. (Of fully vaccinated at least). I don't get why people get so frustrated about mutations, even the common flu goes through plenty of them during the last few years.

Over 100000 protest in london, enough of this hoax
https://youtu.be/j4eF8MsFDX0

I'll show you 2 articles.

1- From plague to polio: how do pandemics end? (https://www.ft.com/content/4eabdc7a-f8e1-48d5-9592-05441493f652) - Financial Times


*This sounds fucked up.

2- How the Covid pandemic ends: Scientists look to the past to see the future (https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/19/how-the-covid-pandemic-ends-scientists-look-to-the-past-to-see-the-future/) - statnews.com


With or without taking vaccines or lockdowns, pandemics always end.

Maybe vaccines do work, however lockdowns are indeed delaying the inevitable (the end of the pandemic) and to me, somebody desperately needs that delay.

The further back you go in history, the more you can see that the statistics were manipulated by the medical. Any statistics regarding pandemics from the past - in the States - have medical manipulations significant enough that one can't believe with anywhere near truthfulness what is written in the statistics.

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It is true that politicians are liars and manipulators, they falsify statistics to show that they are working well, by which I mean:

if you see any country with a covid case showing very high numbers then be careful, because it means that the situation is serious and the numbers can be more frightening

If governments talk about putting on masks, complying with social distancing, not going to the places of agglomerations of people, they are telling the truth and comply with this measure

if governments tell people to be vaccinated then get vaccinated

Isn't that the point, though? Yes, all pandemics came to an end after some period of time, that doesn't mean that Covid-19 isn't serious, though. Vaccines are here to minimize losses (In deaths mostly) and the spread of the disease. Looking back, many pandemics ended by infecting every single one and resulting in millions of deaths, back when modern medicine wasn't a thing.

People aren't care their protection like before because they trust the vaccine. Therefore it will be worse than before. I hope everyone realise the matter and care themself and their relatives.

If we are talking about vaccinated peeps being infected, then it is negligible as they are only having the least alarming symptoms such as mild flu and such.

Though I will agree that they need to care about others as some are still not vaccinated, and maybe some of their relatives are not either

Vaccinated people can also get infected, the percentage of it happening isn't that high, however, as you've mentioned, if they aren't careful, it can happen. More importantly though, vaccines decrease the risk of having major disease's symptoms and will possibly save you the trip to the hospital (And reduce the risk of death).

This can be seen by observing UK's Covid-19 statistics, they are having 10.000 daily cases but only 15-20 deaths.

Im talking about vaccinated and not vaccinated people. Vaccinated people thinks: they are okay  there is no problem for them but they might be infected and also they can spread the virus. On the other hand people who not vaccinated people thinks: Everyone getting vaccinated so no need to mask or vaccine bla bla bla. So everyday number of vaccinated people is getting higher and higher but its not meant to we must lower our shields  ;) This situation seems like herd mentality. But in this time we are own by own. We must be in alert all the time till this fucking virus gone :)

Though having my sympathy to those unvaccinated people who doesn't get vaccinated due to various significant reasons and getting infected, I'll be happy if the unvaccinated are the ones getting those, it will be like a real strike to the face where the vaccinated just get a mild flue or even just a mild fever, while the unvaccinated are in bed rest for few days, making their vitals stable as possible

My thoughts exactly, I rescheduled my appointment for the Pfizer vaccine on Thursday. Despite getting vaccinated, I will continue being careful and wear a mask, for the exact same reason you specified.

If you die, be sure to get your death reported to whatever adverse effects reporting agency you have in your country.

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This exactly why there is no difference anymore between the no vaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated people when it comes to travelling in high risk areas. I read this weekend that if you travel to UK, Russia or Portugal that you need to go into isolation for 14 days. That is a bit crazy, because why get the vaccine in the first place then? Also with the upcoming Euro 2020 final in London, this going to be hard.

Don't worry because it won't happen. I'll report back here for you to see it. I find it amusing that you make such claims in public.

I think we need to understand that being careful or wearing a protection mask before or after taking the vaccine is what's important because it still not enough to save us or preventing the spread of the virus because what's important is following all the required steps of good healthy hygiene that will curb the spread of the virus.

Vaccine worked well against the original strain, because the mRNA particles were designed based on it. But now the virus is mutating very fast and the vaccine efficacy is going down. Against the original strain, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had efficacy of 95%. The same efficacy can be achieved against the mutated strains as well, in case a booster shot is administered to those who are already vaccinated. Irrespective of the strain, the truth is that unvaccinated people have a much higher chance of dying from CoVID compared to those who are at least partially vaccinated.

And that can easily be observed through statistic data from websites such as Worldometers. UK had 3 deaths today and almost 23,000 cases. Israel on the other side had only 65 cases yesterday, with zero deaths, and today 296 cases and one death.

It's pretty safe to say that vaccines are working, however, the new Delta variant is spreading throughout the world in a fast pace.

And the other thing, observed from VAERS, is that the vaccinated people have much higher chance of dying from the vaccine that the unvaccinated do.

Check VAERS - https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data - for the number of deaths, etc., in the US so far. Then check - https://www.openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-20116.pdf - which shows that VAERS is getting only 1% of the reports.

Wow! 600,000 dead from the vaccines so far in the US. That's like 100,000 per month on average.

However, that per-month number will go down. Why? People have stopped getting vaxxed in the US... at 50% or so. You can divide the number of OTHER deaths in half or less, because, due to Covid, people have found that vitamin D mega-dosing will save them from all kinds of other comorbidity deaths besides Covid.

Of course, when China invades, those deaths may be going up again.

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I already answered you regarding VAERS, but you continue your stupid little story. I got vaccinated today and have no symptoms at all, but answering to you just a waste of time and energy. You'll just keep posting your "research".

You already already. Right. I suppose now we're supposed to start cussing at each other. Is that what you really want?

Wake up and see that VAERS isn't some jolly good thing out there in the stars somewhere. When the CDC says things that denigrates VAERS, one of their own agencies, they only tell you that almost ALL causes of death ACROSS THE BOARD are anecdotal... except for the few where rigorous autopsies are done.

And, as I have said before, the Harvard study only confirms that VAERS gets less than 1% of the reports, anyway. This means that if there were only 5 VAERS vaccine deaths, there would really be an easy 5,000.

But its all smoke an mirrors, anyway. Why? Because regarding Covid, the whole CDC is smoke and mirrors. Check this: Lisbon court rules that only 0.9% of 'verified cases' attributed to COVID in Portugal actually died of it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5346295.msg57356533#msg57356533)

If you happen to look at some of the links in this section of the forum, where doctors show that the CDC is lying, you'll know that the medical has screwed us all.

Keep your head in a hole in the sand if you want. And while it's in there without any distractions, start to think. You will find that the CDC is only making their lies worse than ever.

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