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For a business to build a reputation, it takes a lot of money and time to be invested to achieve this through marketing, brand awareness and all other activities.

But my question is why would they risk all they have invested to a few players by scamming them? I for one know the forum will side with the player that have been allegedly being scammed in most cases but how do casino's/bookies  protect themselves if not terms and conditions?

If people buy reviews to paint a picture of a good standing business,  what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitors reputation to have an advantage in the business?

Exit scamming strategy is exist in every field, so when a company earned lot of reputation and made enough money for their future then they can scam people by closing their business but in real world its not possible since we know the company owners so the laws of our country will punish them.

Anyway a company with good reputation may not do this since they already on the top of the list so they can keep making money ebery year and also their company will grow bigger.

We have so many examples of establish reputations in every field which were established with a precise aim to make an exit scam.
In the crypto space I could cite the Mintpal and Cryptsy fiascos: with Cryptsy I was personally able to take my bitcoin out just a few weeks before the scam.
One can't never tell how things will play out.

I guess by having some form of union similar to the crypto gambling foundation (https://cryptogambling.org/) or have a mediator, without the terms and conditions there's not much the casinos could do aside from moving on. Another way to protect themselves is to make these cases more transparent but most casinos aren't willing to do so.

There's already people trying to bring down their competitors but it's not the best way to have an advantage because eventually it'll stop working if you know that the casino is doing their best to clear every problem they have with their players.

Some casinos here have a bad reputation based on our own perception or in this forum, however, they are still operating profitably and that still keeps them in business. Reputation is really important, it's built through time but personally, I still play with a gambling site with a bad reputation because I have a good experience playing with their site.

This is a big business with an expected big competition, so we should not judge right away if we see a site with a bad review as no site is perfect and if they really are scammers, then they should be already in jail.

^ Probably from the start, they will not build their reputation very well or become well-established gambling businesses. If they wanted to have an exit scam after a month there are too many issues that will happen like, selectively scamming their users. Sometimes the TOS was a perfect trap for the most naive users, if they violate it, the gambling site owner has a right to freeze their fund and considerable a user's fault not on the gambling site owner, it is like the play safe to them. Nevertheless, a gambling site built as a fraud from the start always makes fraud activities and most worst if they will end up exit scam.

Before signing up for any business or site of any kind there are terms and conditions which we must accept before creating such account but most times we neglect reading them all we do is just click on it without going through it's content and this is where most of the negative experiences we get from those portfolio comes from. We have every right to cancel our sign up order if the terms and conditions doesn't suit you

That doesn't make sense.
Exit scamming when your business is booming?
Man, If my business is earning a lot of reputation and generate good income why would I risk the long term income over a limited amount of money that has been put by clients to your business.


Well, that's actually happening in different business models.
Good customer service/support will beat those who threatened to tarnish the reputation of your business.

Money has nothing to do with building a reputation for any organisation but good customer care and transparency. Most investors feel money is all that matters not knowing a good customer care service can attract lots of patronage.

No business who has struggled to build a good reputation would want to tanish it for a meaningless reason. This is why it's always adviced to read through the terms and conditions of a particular casino or any gambling site before signing up so you understand what risk you are involving yourself with at any given point in time.

maybe they do it if they know that they can get away with it.

yeah, but not until the player has provided enough evidence that shows that the gambling site is at fault. there have been a lot of cases of scam accusation here in the forum where the gambler has been caught lying that is why providing evidence is important if you are going to post a scam accusation here in the forum.

nothing, this kind of practice has been happening for a long time even before the internet was invented. and to be honest, I feel like this kind of tactic has also been used here in the forum in hope of tarnishing a company's reputation in the community.

If we talk about scam casino well for sure they spend some huge amount just to market their casino so that they can lure big whales to play at them the more huge players they can get the more huge money they can possibly scam so don't be  surprised for having that since this case is not so rare. That's why you shouldn't put all your money and spend only what you can afford to lose since  anything might happen on some casino so you need to be careful on that.

This is a broad topic and without naming one specific case, I'm afraid the answer will be may or may not "on topic" as you intended. Anyway, in some case, the business was real, and they really built the business to be successful, but along the way many things can happen for example, personal issues from top management, financing mistakes (too much debt), new competitions, regulation change, etc., that could make scam more tempting.

In other side of the spectrum, there exist shady businesses utilizing fake reviews/reputations (with some legit reviews). They played the long game to lure whales.

Sometimes the owner of the business don't even know what's going on. Sometimes it is just a rogue employee or/and group of high up officers.

They don't care if the reputation gets damaged as long as they make money and the balance sheet of the company goes up.

If the shareholders are happy, nobody really cares.

Reputation can be damaged not only because of a scam but there are also those who want to bring down the gambling site or whatever for reasons of unacceptable big losses, mistakes from the site or themselves and also competition and so on.
this is where we have to be smart to judge if there are suspicious indications on every site that we follow and investigate the truth so as not to misjudge and also anticipate if it is a scam.

Don't trust any third party for your money and the saying "not your keys, not your coins" is always right.

Notyourkeys.org (https://notyourkeys.org/).

Exchanges can build up their reputation and do scam exit or better they get hack and if you are unlucky, and belong to compromised accounts and don't get compensation from exchanges.

Rollbit, the gambling site I am promoting with my signature, resolved that case very well and also intentionally refund to other users who got same issues. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5345174.msg57308643#msg57308643) It is one of way to build up reputation and attract new users.

You also need to do at least a background check of the person who is accusing the site. Because you will know if that person is just faking the allegations by his post history. And also, if he only created the account just to make wrongful accusations. But if the poster is a reputable member like for example in the forum, then, assess if he does really have valid reasons about such accusation. Because he will not ruin his reputation by throwing fake allegations.

The act of scamming on reputable websites are perpetrated not by the whole platform but perhaps a few corrupt ones who think they can get away with it. This may not be the case, of course, but I've seen some platforms get destroyed in terms of reputation because of a few bad apples existing within their ranks. For us users of these platforms, we should be smart enough to not leave huge sums of money on our account unless we want to gamble with our money even if we're not using it.

Cause quick profit is an easy temptation, plus, if they never really planned to actually run it properly, why would they not break it? As for casinos protecting themselves, it's rather easy tbh. Explain everything that happened. The forum isn't full of idiots, they would analyze and see who was really at fault and whether the one at fault was willing to admit it and to change. There are already various examples here tbh, one being a case where the user used an exploit to win money and used that money to win a big amount. The former was an exploit, while the latter was due to luck. There was an entire thread explaining a bunch of stuff and reasoning for that one (can't really remember the casino involved), but it was rather easy to see how reputable casinos actually take the time to explain stuff.

Unfortunately, nowadays black PR is used in many areas and gambling is no exception. It is important to understand that no casino that values its reputation will not deceive the player, as the reputation losses are hundreds of times greater than the profits from the deception. Do not believe any of the reviews that have no evidence and check all the information yourself.

You know, it is very hard to predict what is going on inside the minds of these people.

Just to give you an example, there are profitable and well-reputated members here in the forum and it took them years to build up such reputation. They received lots of positive trust from the members here and they gained mostly the trust of the members here. Unfortunately, some got involved in a loaning scam where they defaulted as they never went back again here in the forum.

Imagine, building up your reputation just to destroy it in seconds. The reason might be obvious: it's all because of deception for money. But, what they failed to realize is that what they did only satisfies their short-term needs.

Because a scammer doesn't think about the long term, a scammer who already has the profit (theft) equivalent of one or two years of income with honest service in his hands, prefers to strike immediately and use a good part of that amount to invest in the next scam, reopen the site with a different name and layout to attack again.
Understood? In no time did he stop "working" he only uses a criminal means to leverage income in a less risky way in an already saturated market.

Existing reviews will certainly help other users to judge how good the reputation of the gambling site is, but of course these reviews should not be a reference for us to trust 100% of the site, because after all nowadays many fake reviews are deliberately made by some sites to show as if their site is better and gets a lot of trust from other people, for me personally I prefer to join a site that already has evidence of how good their service is to users so far and usually trusted gambling sites don't use reviews as their means to get trust from new users but prioritize service to users.

When a company is at its peak and lot of people started to invest on the company means they will make more money than they expected, not everyone will scam but one who started a company with the mindset of exit scamming will do that at the perfect time.

there must be mediation first to maintain the reputation of gambling on an ongoing basis. So far, the mediation method has not been implemented in several gambling sites, even bookies are reluctant to agree to the mediation process. that's what we have to emphasize.
Usually the bookies negotiate when they want to commit fraud to their team. so the reputation of the gambler disappears and comes with a new name accompanied by a different reputation value.

I think what you wrote should not be a question but a fact. I am sure that even on this forum there are users who are paid to denigrate competing projects. Very often I see accusations that are unsupported by any evidence, but if a lie is repeated many times, many people are able to believe it. Therefore, we should always be careful in our judgments.

Yes, it does take a lot of time. You won't get results overnight. It takes a lot of patience and hard work to see the results. You won't be making any profit at the beginning, but in the long run, if you are doing good, you will make some decent profit.
And this why they scam people. They want to get rich real quick. The only way to do it for them is to spend some money to gain peoples trust and then scam 10x of whatever they invested and runaway. They then come back with a new identity and scam people again. Unfortunately, people keep on still falling for the scams despite being warned numerous times.

If they do marketing and promotion well then I'm sure they won't do anything negative because after all, the long-established reputation will take priority. It's different if over the years they haven't done everything well, then of course they will easily sacrifice their reputation by thinking it will be fine but unfortunately, that is not good in the long run. Therefore, I believe those who have succeeded and continue to do well so far, will not do anything to worry about because after all, any kind of competition will surely be able to pass well with great struggles and efforts.

It is extremely hard to distinguish and there are many reasons that a business can go bad. Trying to classify a plethora of unique circumstances is a bad idea, ultimately it comes down to poor decisions for specific individuals. For the example you gave of buying reviews, it is often the case that purchased reviews will pay off - even if they are a very deceitful way of attracting new customers. If people don't do a lot of digging or objectively look into different review sites then they can be heavily abused. People might not even look at the reviews but get a general idea from a 4 out of 5 star rating which shows up in Google search that a website is to an acceptable standard and somewhat trustworthy. On the flip side, often times many people who leave very negative 1 star reviews can do it out of spite even if the casino is very fair, nobody likes losing money after all. Very few winners tend to go out of their way to leave very positive reviews but losers want to warn everyone away.

It can be their ulterior motive. A business can build its reputation easily within less than a year to be trusted and have their own budget for building it.
But if they have a strategy that they want to scam people, that's what they do if they get sums of money already from their players.

Building a reputation in a year is easy to trade with what they would get to their victims funds that's why they chose the easiest way yet dangerous. But, can a blooming business would turn to their clients like that? I doubt about that but maybe for those still new yet gaining a lot of reputation because of their shady strategy that sooner or later will prevail their intent.

Scammers are doing everything the best way  they can to cover their tracks to avoid suspicion yet with their shady behavior you know they were up to something so that should be a red flag already to never trust them.

I think if a company maintain good products and services, the reputation will be there and will be difficult to be tarnished. It will not be easy for someone to use a means to get people to tarnish a company just like that, all he will want is to just try and compete. Know that if the company is reputed and strong, it will find its way out to reveal the truth.or even providing what could make people like more of the company, but there is nothing impossible though.

Well there are two type of business, one which are built for long term and they don't do things which compromise trust. They are the ones who knows reputation is built over time and is most important thing for the business to grow.
Second type of business are those whom motive is to gain short term profit and they don't mind if their trust is lost, as long as they can gain quick profit.

Yes, they will surely be prevailed if their intention isn't good. Sometimes it only takes time to build rapport to their customers and reputation and all of the sudden, a change will come if the main intention is bad.
But for those casinos that doesn't have bad intention, they'll show themselves how good they are despite not being popular. Since most of the casinos have started from the bottom with the same start and it's just about how they'll continue to make their casinos known.

Amid the site's popularity, being well-established and profitable, sometimes there are things that can't be controlled "inside" that can lead to unusual behaviour, slowly turning into sh*t, being irresponsible etc.

The question of why those sites after being turned into famous turned into sh*t doesn't have any accurate answer since we don't know what happened in the team's environment inside or what triggers them to do it.

For new to the industry that only last a bit in their business it's obvious that they are just here to scam*. But for those who already built their name then began making some trash behaviour, there is something we don't know. That's why a basic rule of thumb, reputable or not, always understand the risk of using a third party service.

Well, there are too many gambling sites that have become like this, they are good from the start but later on, they will slowly be changed and turning into unprofessional ones. What is the root of this problem, perhaps the owners are tired and want make profit quickly or they don't have a ROI on their business because not all of these kinds of business ahs been succeeded and get higher ROI, most them will perhaps have to lose like for example on the house edge budget allocation will perhaps become low? So there are too many factors a gambling site becomes shit.

because they cant continue anymore ? it could be lacking of funds or they have gained a bad reputations before but they havent fix it and it adds up .
a gambling business should fix any issues they experience as early as possible even if it small because small issues is the start and can grow if ignored . if they lack funds they should surrender or accept defeat in a profesional way .
its better to be remembered for having a good service than to be remembered because your a scammer

Buying reviews is just a marketing strategy! It's all about to be seen... to have exposure! And I am fine with that, it's on us to find a reliable source of info... to not believe in anything at first sight, we need to know how to check things!

About that other thing "what would stop the competition from buying people to tarnish a competitor's reputation"... we have many examples of that here on the forum! Check the official thread of any casino here and you will find some newbies trying to do exactly that! And in most cases without any proofs! But they can't (or anyone else) ruin a good reputation without valid evidence, proofs... they just bother us!

It takes years and lots of efforts on building reputation specially for a business and this is why you would really be spending lots of resources and time
for you to attain it but doesnt mean that it would be guarantee that you would really be known or get on what you do anticipated for.

Most of the time if there are some accusations made out then the community wont really be that too judgemental on making out decisions that doesnt have
sufficient evidence or proof for such accusation.

It is a bit normal that there would be some tarnishing out of other business reputation on illegal ways or immoral manner which it isnt something new or
shall we say a bit traditional because competition is really very feirce and if someone do see that the other one is slowly climbing up then they would just basically trying to destroy it but somehow the community isnt blind on making direct judgements.

They probably got a wrong move and can't take it anymore due to the community judging them.

As they know when it's the community that is against you, it's either you keep fighting for your business and establish it again or just stop it because you can no longer take the criticism aside from having lack of funds.

Temptation will always be there but if that gambling site compose of professionals and really love that work, for sure they'll continue to operate because there's a big money in gambling site and if they offer good services I'm pretty sure they'll earn more and no need for them to scam the players. Building a reputable gambling site takes a lot of effort, time and money I also don't understand for a need to scam where in fact they already spend the money which I believe they are capable enough to have. Scammer will always be a scammer to me, in gambling you have to choose very well.

They wont really be risking out their reputation that they had built up for years on just trying to scam out their users for one time go on stealing funds which I don't see for it to be worth on doing that or simply pointless.

Successful business would bring out fortune for more years to come as long they do know how to retain or maintain a good business in the market.

Those kind of destroying others business via those fake reviews and accusation is something that wont really be that effective.People aren't blind on
not to see on whats the truth.

I think it's more complex than we thought...

My advice is to be careful using gambling sites that have just emerged where it is not clear how much their investment capital is. Usually they will look good at the beginning but when many have played then problems will arise and they run away.

the gambling business has tough competition, so reputation is important, every gambling site must have responsive customer service, don't because it doesn't serve 1 player who has a problem, the reputation of the site is in question.

They would probably gain more money by doing so, and they can surely control the output of the game that is what bookies would want to do if they would control the flow and outcome of the game, this is just because for them to gain a small fraction of money out of that 1 illegal thing they did,

In just a small fraction of a second, they will tarnish the reputation that they have built for so long, I guess companies that doing that never think about the consequence before doing it would rather enjoy the small things in a now benefit than with their future Benefit.

It's hard to know exactly why casinos act like this sometimes. It may be that they are running out of funds, a selective scam to boost their earnings a little bit, a strong assumption that a player really cheated without having how to prove it with accuracy... There are different answers for this question and the casino might be right in some of these situations, because it's well known there are many players who try to cheat the house constantly and once they are caught they accuse the casino of scamming.

Nothing, many companies actually engage in such sorts of activities.

But that's not always the case and reason for few bad reviews on a company with an overall good reputation. Sometimes there are customers that will be unhappy no matter what, and, the ugly truth is, the bigger and more successful company is - the more of such customers will be there.

I've read quite a few ridiculous reviews in which people complained about the casinos allegedly being scammers simply because people lost their money, or blamed the casino because the withdrawal took longer than 15 minutes, all the while the reason was low fees and overloaded network, etc.

Gambling is a very difficult business to maintain a good name because it involves money. When people lose money they go crazy and write all sorts of things always trying to blame someone else.

Also, there always will be dumb people that didn't read ToS and are unhappy with the outcomes (e.g. blocked account, but had they read the rules - this wouldn't have happened).

The advantage of coming here is you will know who's saying the truth in terms of legitimate reviews compared to a bought reviews. I've seen a lot of them doing that as if they really like the platform, the payments, and everything else like how good they say something to the site without bothering to point out what are their experiences because they never had any experience on the site.

If you want to believe a legit reviews look for the one who criticize and ask a question about their experiences and never believe to something that gives a perfect star rating or something plus a no flaws comments, that is questionable in the first place.

Wouldnt matter if a certain company would be barraged out by some negative or false claims or accusations because it would be just easily outweighed on the things that they had done specially in talks of good service that they do give into the public.

I agree on what other members said above that the community isnt blind into the things that had been done on an honest company.

Their actions would be the proof that they are really doing something good into this market.They might have some issues but it would be
bareable one and can be easily handled.

I'm pretty sure before they start up a business,they must have planned how long the business is going to stay,they must have set up ways to prove to the public that the business is genuine.They must give some people benefit of doubt that the business is real,so as to attract more patronizers,and when people have trusted then enough not to disappoint,they'll suddenly disappoint and loose their reputation because of the gain they've made.

The phenomenon of online gambling is now increasingly mushrooming, no half-hearted from the creation of 1,2,3 to 5 gambling sites at once with very sophisticated modes that are different from before.

If they get caught the main site is cheating they will use gambling site 2 and so on, to look for victims, with millions of assets, by renting a server they can operate in several countries and they include the necessary language content, so that it can be accessed by gambling players in certain countries.

They don't care about Reputation, their mission is to cheat and they have agents/conspirators in every country, if their site gets blocked they will make the website content the same of course the site name is different, but the content is the same as the base.

For that there is no reputation for those who are destroyed in seconds, only victims and money they are looking for.

Setting up a good reputation for a business really takes time, takes a lot of effort and may also cost them huge amount to be able to build a good name with a good business standing and reputation and once they get it they would make sure to do anything to protect it in all cost. They would never going to risks their reputation or the business name that they have built for years just to scam players or just to ruin what they have built for years.
At some point the competition of the gambling business today is rising and the thought that they would going to ruin their competitors reputation is not impossible.

A reputable project will not likely scam players or members but they are upholding their terms of conditions and governing rules, if a player opens a scam accusations the burden is on the accusers he must show proof and evidence that he got scam and did not break the rules, the project admin or developers will then show the validity of their decision based on their rules, scammers will scam people and will continue to scam people without giving valid proof that can satisfy the players and the community.

If the casino really wants to build reputations, they need to promote and invest some money to make their brand become bigger and popular among the other casino. The casino will not scam the player and will always help their member if they have a problem. Perhaps, there is something wrong happen and mostly the player will get the impact by losing their money, they can't withdraw the win money, or their tickets are not solved by the casino. That makes the player thinks that the casino is trying to scam them and complain here.

I think the problem needs to solve by both sides, the casino, and the player, and not discussed here as that is their personal problem. Perhaps, talk privately will be useful for both side to solve the problem and the casino and the player knows what is wrong with the problem.

If a casino wants to protect itself from accusations of users they shouldn't be scamming or do something stupid to even their signature participants. By just being fair to everyone I think is enough to protect from ruining reputation because after all accusing a casino needs evidence here in the forum

When a page is indexed by google where the thread title includes the brand of your casino, it is likely to be considered real by internet users who are not from this forum. But they will realize when they know the culture in the crypto community.

Look at 1xbet for example, they paying huge amounts every week to promote their business and they are tried every trick in the book to clear their name. (everything except not making the scammed players whole)

An aggressive company like that will buy reviews for damn sure. These fuckers are almost everywhere now.

you need to keep fighting for your business if you know you dont commit a sever mistake such as scamming because in every gambling site there is a mistake but that can be corrected if your costumer pointed it out .
 our costumer can give a feedback and we can use it to improve our business  . they are not judging us but we only think they are .

There are numerous ways in which reputation can be also damaged which could be as a result of poor management, over reactive customers, having a difficult business interface not easy for customers to comprehend. A lot of reputation had been compromised just because there is no adequate communication channel between consumers of a product and the producers.
Having a good reputation as a company or organization requires good communication channel with comprehendible business interface.

If there is a smoke then there is a Fire , gambling site will never be convicted guilty if they are not, meaning those scam accusations are usually true .

how can they protect their reputation ? simple mate "Never Scam their Players" that is the only way how they cannot ruin the reputation they built.

Its actually a normal business on where tainting other business reputation somewhat become a normal thing for their competitors to do when they are trying to bring it down via those false or fake accusations and as an owner then you would really do all things for your business to flourish and would last up for years.It isnt simple and all business would really be undego on some challenges from those times where players arent really that high from that kind of accusation problems where every business would really pass on and as an owner you would really be doing your best for the best of your business.

Places know this, they are not unaware of this fact, they just make a decision based on knowing this. There is a person who is complaining about something valid but you think ignoring will be a better profit for you? Take it, just say you ignore (well don't say it but just don reply) and let the complaint being grown over and over, you will be fine if you think you will profit more. There is something that is very valid and you want to help? Help them to keep your reputation going.

I have seen places say "hacked" and steal everyone's money and leave, you think they didn't realize that would hurt them, that is literally the end of that casino and nobody will ever gamble there ever again and they are fine with that, they just stole all the money and they feel like it is a lot better. This is why at the end of the day we are talking about casinos being aware and still going with it.

A reputation does not involve financial fit or deal with finance, this is a something that happens to do with sincerity and ability to do things accordingly, setting up or building up a reputation is a situation or the process were by you had a transaction with your colleagues and the deal happen to be accomplished without issues, this is matter of trust and been truthful and it will not take up to a year to build reputation.

It’s true that fame takes years to build and it takes seconds to break building a reputation will usually depend on the individual. He will gain fame in the way he will act reputation is a process of social influence through which a person can get the help and support of other people to accomplish a universal task. Opening a path for people so that they can contribute to something extraordinary.

It actually depends on the motive. Sometimes, people or even businesses would build a good reputation just to gain the trust of people that they would scam in the future. Some scammers also do it as an exit plan. Legit and trusted businesses would put up a good reputation for a long-term benefit and they would handle their customers well. Businesses that scam people, in the end, are used to it. They would destroy their names and just build up a new one.

Gambling casinos or gambling platforms taking a long way before getting one of the top-known gambling places where the player can enjoy their games. This is the reason why most of them are getting care with their reputation because having a single issue or mistake might take lead to their organization and ruin everything.

Even though some people giving their wrong and different accusation still the loyal players will continuously support them.

Gambling companies can pay people to tarnish the image of their competitors but unless they can show proofs that they have been scam, the community will suspect that they are paid to post negatively on that gambling sites, without proofs to back up their allegations it will not stand, a reputable gambling site can always answer all the allegations, scam gambling sites cannot.

Wouldn't that be a waste of resources, time and effort when all they have to do is do the same thing over and over again? I'm sure they do know that people learn from their mistakes and most likely wouldn't repeat what happened to them but if they want to do it again it's probably to the place where no one knows who they are but I have a doubt if they could easily get away with that since most people rely on the internet to do some research, I'm sure people would know them.

I think it's best to maintain a long term business and build a reputation along the way so when they do make another business in the future they will easily get the customer because they knew they were legit when they have a reputation before.

Indeed many resources and lot of efforts are taken to build a business reputation. And I believe that it can brake the sooner the business owners, casino owners, take a step into taking advantage of their players. Reputation will be definitely harmed as the business stated to go down that dirty path.

If a community judge's a certain casino, they would be really judging it.

And that's the reason why they keep on going to judge it with based facts and the accused casino has to answer it. And if there's no cooperation that only means that the business is accepting what's being accused on them.

People will see and maybe they will try to get a prove by checking by themselves because many fake review or false accusations will happen to the casino to get down their reputations.
It is normal to see that thing as it is a competition to get more customer and trust from them.
Those competitions will be a hard for the casino but time will tell if all of that is real or fake.
But if that is a fake, people will know and they will not care about that fake review or false accusations.

It depends on what's their goal from the beginning. There will be no perfect scam if they will not invest and risk spending money just to become a reputable one. It's a prerequisite for their goal.

It will be a perfect script if, on the way, they will show being reputable so that they can attract many users to their platform.

Just unfortunate that they will still continue on their original purpose that they will scam after being established as one of the popular platforms.

The users or customers would always come back if they have a great experience in a casino or gambling websites, I guess with a new casino there is no way to know it is actually a legitimate one, but the scam casinos would always have a bad reputation and the humor are gonna spread really fast. People would always have bad reviews and would know if there are some sketchy things happening in a casino or a gambling website.

But with fake reviews people would need valid evidence, yeah it could affect some newbies from starting in the website but if they are someone who has a great experience with the website or casino they know that it is a legitimate website.

Similar to what reviews we have here in the forum, there are people who say that this gambling website is a scam but members would not believe that easily unless he proves it.

Have a look at HashOcean, it's not gambling-related but is pretty much near to this discussion. They were claiming themselves as the real bitcoin cloud mining company and imagine, they were paying users for almost two years, you were getting the invested money back in 3 months. As time was going, people were both, amazed by the ROI and were believing that this company was really doing cloud mining. Lately, a lot of people sold their houses and invested money in HashOcean and one day, they closed their website and went away. There was petitions, etc, but nothing happened. And HashOcean steal so much money that they even affected the bitcoin's price.

You won't see a normal company scamming people.

Compare two to each other - 1xBit and Stake. The first one has BetB2B script and scams people, the second one has it's team and departments and operates honestly. The first one doesn't try to build reputation, it tries to attract as many customers as possible and then do the all-in-one scam.

In real world such kind of exit scams are quite low compared to the online access. When it comes to online services, most of the time everything happens online without any direct meeting on any occasion. This gives them easy path to scam the users and go away in a secure way. Most of the time exit scams can be seen much on MLM schemes compared to the gambling and other business platforms.

Due to accessibility and the easy access online then its really easy to scam out people if they wanted to in the first place and when it comes to those businesses who had built up their reputation then its really hard to believe on that they would really be making such step specially if they were profitable in the first place.

MLM is on the other side of story because we are talking about gambling business on here which for a new gambling site then its not really hard to determine if this one would turn out to be a scam or not basing off with some several factors that you can observed on.

It would really be taking lots of years before you can reach out a certain reputation and if something shady had been done then once been proved out then say goodbye into your business.

There's no logic in scamming some employers while building their reputation, all their efforts to build their reputation will go to nothing if there is one legit complaint against them, you cannot build your reputation while you let one complaint unattended it will continue to haunt the gambling casino, they should take care of all complaints this is one way to build a good reputation.

For me, the reason why they do it is because they have a lot of confidence and strong resolve, if they can do it once, why not do it twice, thrice, and again and again until they will be caught. With the money they have by scamming their players, they could start another gambling site business using another name and people to run the same method again on scamming people who will deposit and play on their new gambling site.

I guess, that's all about it. People loves easy money as well as scammers. It's all about being carefully aware and risk taker.

Only small casinos will do that, but big online casinos will always resolve whatever complaints that come out, they have big profit to be made and will make if they have a good reputation than scamming people, a good gambling casino has a good support system and they have a very active channel to address all the issues, they never let even one complaint to go viral, they will stop it and they see to it that they are fair on all their dealing with their players.

A false accusation will not stand we have seen that on the scam sections where some paid trolls cannot prove their allegations, good readers of the accusation can easily tell if the accusations will stand or they are paid by competitors to tarnish their image, one example is 1XBIT all the allegations are true and they cannot correct or deny them because all the proofs are clearly posted.

Sometimes those people that have lost a lot are blaming the casino and calling them a scam despite being not a scam. The problem starts with them that they cannot accept whatever amount their losses have. And instead of blaming themselves, they're putting all their anguish into the casino where they've gambled, and that makes them a total nag to the casino that they've gambled with. But if it's no longer one person that tells that the casino is a scam and they have proof to show then that's a different matter and if it's proven with valid proofs that the casino they've gambled has scammed them, then that's the community to decide for that casino. It will be for sure be avoided.

As long as they are anonymous, it is always possible for them to make an exit scam anytime. I already saw many platforms not just gambling made an exit scam even though they were already operating for few years. I think the reason why some well-established companies do this is either they are bankrupt or that is really their motive since the beginning so they can take more money from the people who trust them.

It won't make sense to pay someone to spread false news to a competitor's platform because there are a lot of users who can verify if that is really true, I don't think a new platform would spend that much money paying people just to make their platform better.

Most of the time they have long planning to scam people when they have allocated the sufficient funds to leave.For this they can easily spend quite a money on promotional activities to attract the customer and behave in normal and legit manner so players have trust on them and deposit funds with them.I have seen some of the casinos operating with license also and in the end turn out to be scam and phisshy ones.So we can't say that why would they do it the simple answer to it is money for which they have setup the whole thing damn thing.

It's still possible for big casinos to scam but those cases are very rare and for small casinos it's the last thing you want to do if you plan on having a successful casino knowing that most gamblers stick to reputable casinos. Imo most casinos doesn't want to ruin their reputation but at the same time it's inevitable as there are gamblers that always break their rules.

It's not that hard to disregard those type of people since we've seen so many people do this before and eventually they'll move on.

I like to disagree with that because most exit scams are getting craftier everyday and they are getting more likely to get away because they look legitimate at first glance. Reputation is a thing that we should care for the most because once tainted, it will stick with you for a long time.

We must be strict in determining scams, if there are already reports as well occurs problem when using that casino we must not tolerate or continue it especially if we have too much money in that casino. Better to only limit gambling. Those legit casinos who'd already built their reputation will not do anything in small amount of money so as long as you play with limited money everything can be fine.

Scammers don't care about their reputation anymore, they seems to be a legit project at first but their main goal happen when they gain the trust of the public, and that the start of suspicious transactions. Reputation is working good to those who are serious on doing business on this market, but if they are not I don't think people will use that gambling site though it's hard to see a scam project at first.

A casino that is well built and has a good reputation will hardly do a scam exit or make a stupid decision scamming their customers. There are times that a good reputation casino face accusations from their customers and that kind of casino are facing that accusation bravely by pointing out its point regarding the issue. There are some accusations and debates between the victim and the casino in this forum and most of the time if the casino loses that discussion, They are doing the right thing and solve the issue.

Those accusations that are made to just degrade or take advantage of the casino won't be valid if they don't have enough proof to justify their claim.

It will be stupid for a casino to scam if they have got a good reputation as well as number of so many gamblers who visit them daily and play with a considerable amount of money. Losing their reputation in a few seconds for some money (if seen collectively what they earned till that time) would be like hammering their own head because they will not only lose their present customers, but will also lose their future customers who would have played and lost there big making huge gains to the casino.

The one you are promoting is actually a scam and I feel bad that you are promoting it, anyways.

A lot of times gambling house are not wrong but it is the user who tried to cheat the house and when caught, they play the victim card and the community would get raged after listening to one side of the story and sometimes the house is too busy to even respond to the complaint and people will believe the house cheated the player.

I have seen multiple instances where users found a glitch and tried to exploit it, how the house deals with the situation can define their trustworthiness then. I recall a website luckygames caught a player cheating and decided to counterattack by cheating the player back instead of putting a hold on his account.

It might be because the sum involved is just too big and the casino cannot resist scamming the user. A lot of sites are doing selective scams where they will pay small players and scam the big odd one to keep their scam selective and deceptive.

Everywhere all positive things are too harder to achieve whereas negative things could be attained in matter of seconds itself. I have seen many crypto places building their reputations for years but just after a hack they lose everything and may go bankrupted due to out of controllable things.

Reputation is something that could be built overnight and its true that once it would be tainted then that would really remain forever but if you businessowner would really be doing your best on giving out best service to outweight those previous issues then it could be done.

Peoeple wouldnt really care about those issues anymore if you had continued on giving the good service towards the public but of course there would be always criticisms neither intentional or not.

This is something that cant really be built up easily and when you are into this business then be prepared about those false issues made out by other competitors which i do considered normal or been typical.

That's right. And if they are a serious project, they will really do it seriously with all their struggle and professionalism. We may know how difficult and hard it will be moreover if they're new to the certain work world. The reputation and trust of the users is number one.

I am not sure that if they are serious from the beginning and also not a scam platform they will scam their users. I am sure that there is some disatisfaction from any users to the platform and then accuse it as a scammer platform. Sometimes, it is only about misunderstanding, an error system, or even something that is not under the control of the platform itself. Or, they break the T&C of the platform.
Because I am not sure that they will really bet their reputation only because of one user.
Except that most users also get bad reviews about the platform, it means something wrong with the platform.

A company looses value if they get involved in a scam activities or trying to scam her clients, I don't like a company that have already had that bad tag of scam with their name, no matter how the company might have pretended to be nice again, a scammer remains a scammer no matter how much those company might have had. No matter the amount of ROI a gambling platform is generating, if they aren't scamming their clients, they are good enough to be successful in the future because of their gradual fulfilling of promise which made them be trustable by many.

It's hard to attain back the reputation once a company had already made their wrong decision and got a bad track record.

That's so true that people might trust them again but not wholly and not everyone who used to gamble onto their platform might go back but not all of those that have gambled there.

There's already a trust issue if a casino did something wrong and didn't resolved the issue asap.

If scamming is their goal since the beginning then no matter how hard they built their reputation, they will push on their purpose to scam.

It will be easy for them to make scams if they will able to get the people's trust even it will take years to process. They will think they can scam more and attract more people to the site so they will continue to operate until decided to now execute their exit scam.

I think that there is a significant misconception here.

When there is virtually no legal repercussions, exit scamming casinos can gross their founders significantly more than if the site was continued to be run legitimately. That's just the plain reality of it, unfortunately. Even dooglus has mentioned this before in one post of his ages ago.

You shouldn't just count on reputation, as important as it is, as a gauge for how much you trust a casino/sportsbook. Also think about whether you have any tangible sources of recourse if anything does go awry.

Even reputable gambling site gets scam accussation at some point of their business, but if a platform is really reputable their users will defend them and their excellent and honest service will say it all. Some people who accuse gambling platforms are not even aware they had broken TOS why their funds or account is frozen or restricted. There is always two sides of story and people nowadays don't beleive scam accussation without proof.

I think the reason that stops the competition from directly doing it is because if the target proves that the accusations isn't true then there's a potential backfire from them which might damage their company. And I think they all have some tacit agreement that they will screw each other in a legal way because that's much satisfying than the dirty one.

I think it's hard for them when they just close everything they built years ago since the competition in the market is already tough. However, if they planned this kind of thing from the start, then they will close their business like what we have seen on the cloud mining scam in the past years. they often do this even though their business was already successful and you will not imagine that they will gonna do that. But it is already planted by those scammers there's nothing you can do about it.

Again, it wouldn't really matter if they risked their reputation if, in the first place, the casino's goal was to scam people. Yes, the long term profit would give them more compared to short term, but if they were to repeat this say one-two times, the profit they gained would be much more even if they did the casino in the long term. They can then build a better business model that would provide them much more profit even if they were to run it in the long term, whether it be an illegal one or a legal one, granted that a legal one would take much effort to build so that they aren't caught or revealed.

But if that is what they really tend to do? to start as good company and eventually if they already build their reputation then they will start scamming little by little while others trusting and depending them others will become a victims .

It's a despicable practice, but, unfortunately, it seems like some competitors resort to it. However, as far as I can tell, more often than not those tarnishers we see in various threads here are not paid for their ranting. They are just either failed scammers, or addicted gamblers who forget about their previous losses and start blaming the site for "inside job" and things like that.

That is what every business will face while running its business because it will be like a competition from every gambling site to get more customers to each casino. One casino can do many things against the other casino, which is the hard thing each casino should realize. But as long as one casino is still doing the greatest things for its members and not trying to scam its members, that casino will not get a problem in the future. Even their member will be on their side.

But if the accusation has strong evidence then it certainly will not backfire, because the possibility that happened is cheating on the promotion he made. They make efforts from time to time to improve reputation but unfortunately, there are some of them who spoil it with their own actions and of course that case will be very unfortunate because after all the reputation will increase depending on the services they have.

Would really be hard to determine of a site was really intending to scam out their users later on specially if they do really have done some good service on giving out leisure time in the public.

You wont really be able to distinguish until its done and that's a fact even with those legit sites would have also the tendency on becoming a scam which same as you said.

This is why when you do spot out something fishy or something wrong already then it would be wise that you should really be starting to avoid out.

But they're bothering those reputable casinos and they never stop. They might stop for a while but soon, they'll come back at any time that they wish to bother again the casino but they'll surely be ignored and no matter how hard they are to complain, they've been known to be that type of person. It's easy to just ignore them but their bothering is also irritating not just for those casinos that they bother but also for the other gamblers that don't seem to find any problem with the casino they're playing with.

Sure, they could come back and complain how many times they want but they're just wasting their time doing it over and over.

I agree it's annoying from a gambler's view knowing that you're playing on that site but it's best to avoid them because giving them attention would only fan the flames and encourage them to spread false accusations.

It probably depends on the case because there's different reasons why casinos are forced to take away funds or freeze accounts. We can't always have nice things in casinos since there are gamblers that will abuse it.

I hope 1XBIT management will go down to answer this they are doing massive marketing even launching a signature campaign on this forum, but they are scamming people, the people they have scam keeps posting allegations with proofs here and they cannot keep up with the allegations, it seems they are doing marketing to scam more people.

I guess excellent service and transparency builds reputation. It is true thay it takes time and patience to build reputation. A random accusation cannot destroy a reputable casino. Loyal platform users will eventually defend a casino if they know based on their experience that they are truthful of their service. But it is true with just one wrong move, year long reputation can be damaged or be gone in a short span of time.

I'd never think if OP is pointing out 1XBIT in here because he never mentioned any betting sites.

A lot of gambling sites created this time and it so happens that many of them are scammy sites. yeah, they don't care about their reputation as that only it gives some attraction but their main goal is to collect money from their clients and then leave without any regrets. That's become a major problem this time, many have to do an exit scam. And this is badly affecting the image of crypto sites.

It actually pays off quite well for the founders, especially if they are anonymous.

Why have the patience to wait 10 years to make 1 million dollars in hard-earned revenue if they can exit scam, face no legal remedy, and pocket millions of dollars in customer deposits? That is the psychology of a lot of exit-scamming businesses that have had a decorated past.

SafeDice is a good example of this as they were one of the more reputable casinos that would have had millions in revenue from investor and players if they just kept their doors open, but decided to take off with investor funds and leaving the site up.


Nothing. And it is happening in all industries as we speak. Which is why brand protection is so important.

It isn't just in business but in all aspect as well trust/reputation good personality.
It takes time and so many good deeds to gain and only seconds or slight mistake to destroy it all.
So better be careful on what you would do or say because it could destroy you or your business.

A random accusation without substantiating any proof must be taken lightly like a drop in the ocean. Many would attempt to destroy the reputation of a gambling website but their long standing and history would prove otherwise.

Unfortunately, with the existence of lots of fake reviews, there are gambling websites that contain positive reviews but mostly from paid users. One of the strongest evidence of genuineness is not the reviews per se, but the time that they are operating in the online-gambling platform.

That's true every highly reputable gambling casino has its community of loyal followers and they will defend its reputation against fake reviews and if there are legit complaints they will urge the admin to resolve the issue because they too do not want to play in a gambling site with existing complaints, I will also defend a gambling site I'm playing if there are fake reviews.

Every business established has their own target why they are created ..

Some are for real business meaning to serve and gain , while others are purely for bad intentions , though at first they will pretend to be good one but in the end will show their true colors.

That is exactly the point mate , the proofs must be provided before this finally called as scam site.

The fake reviews will not have a chance to trick or slander the casino because the casino will try to defend and proves that they are not guilty. Even they will try to investigate it to find which people want to get them down.

The reputations can go away with one mistake and everything that they build from a long time ago can ruin. That is why the casino will not trying to make a mistake and they see a problem, and they will help their customer to solve the problem.

every casino must really help solve the problems faced by its customers because it is not impossible that their reputation is destroyed because of 1 customer who is not served that

in the gambling business reputation is a sensitive thing, build it with great difficulty and large capital, it will be a pity if they don't immediately clear their names when there are problems that befall

Reputation is nothing when we talk about money , even how long they build the reputation and name but there is an involving High amount means the money will be the main objective and the reputation may seems to be not existing .

Unfortunately these days ready-made scripts and license are available everywhere hence people are setting up business on the go. So, they might be getting ready to run a business within the times of a week. And for reputation, they might be having their own team who will be talking about on every social media and giving positive review at possible places.

Moreover for intentional scammers, only for the first time to build a business might take time and for repeating the same business model for second or third time, they might be coming up very quickly but in different name so that they could scam in quick succession and run away.

You're absolutely right about it mate, building a good reputation for a gambling business really takes years and if they managed to earn a good reputation they will certainly do anything to protect it even fake reviews will not justify the a gambling business once they have a good reputation standing. For sure once it has an anomaly that would going to drag down the name of the institution every representatives of the gambling business would really going to find out the solution to the problem and would not let their gamblers or players feel the problem too.

A single negative news or review won't ruin a good reputation of a gambling site, because many of its supporters would react about it depending that the rumors are not true and the gambling site would prove it that they're clean, simple as that.

A mere accusation without any solid proof will never be accepted as a fact to crumble down a certain business, it takes a lot of legal process before coming to a conclusion whether they are guilty or not. Long running online casinos would never scam or do anything foul play to ruin their reputation, in my opinion.

Most times competition is what makes some reputable gambling sites maintain their standards but in an environment where there is no competition it more likely that such companies decide how the run their business without minding how their customers feels. Although online casinos is increasing daily and we hope to see lots of improvements as  time goes on.

It needs to take years before building a reputation and break it in a second, not just only applied in gambling but it applies to most in our lives. Even here in the campaign, we need to build their trust for a long time but we can break it in just a second.

If a gambling site wants to stay the trust of its clients (gamblers), then they need to help it out once their gambler is having a problem with their site or any transaction involved in their site.

Brand reputation is one of the most critical aspects of a marketing strategy and yet it is constantly underestimated. Everyone focuses on launching a successful brand identity and then forgets about it, convinced that it will always stay that way.
But keeping a high brand reputation is a constant effort, from the quality of each products or services, to customers' experience before, during and after buying from a company, to comments on social media or industry forums, to responses to any unexpected slips.
All this can ruin or build a great reputation.

Its just one of the things that should be maintained on and not just really good when the company was just starting up.They do really need some consistency when it comes to the service given into the public.

Reputation cant really be directly when you had just launched and giving out your best as a business owner to retain as much as efficient as possible and in case if there would be some problems like reputation
degradation or false claims then better get  yourself prepared on that one.

Competition is high and you would really be expecting those kind of things which would possibly ruin up your reputation even if you arent doing the thing.

You still need reputation to make money. Who is going to hire your services, spend at your business or even work for you if you don't have any reputation or a negative one?
I believe what happens nowadays is that many people get their reputations through dirty ways and since money is the most important thing in modern world, they actually buy their status instead of building it step by step from the bottom. Maybe that is what you mean.

I think you are answering the question. A reputation is something very valuable - many companies have that into their balance sheet as "goodwill" or "intangible capital" and some companies worth are only their reputation such as Law firms, advisors, etc.. What could drive a company to burn its reputation in a short time? I guess that massive profits. This happened with the auditors of Enron for example. They choose to ignore the shit that was obviously floating around and when Enron busted, they nearly dissapeared.

Snakes have to crawl and hide in bushes just to pounce on their prey. It seems these tropes can also emulate what those who masquerade as honest and reputable platform do, while in the end they run away most of the customer's money. I think on the forum we've seen a few case of what you're discussing, but the T&Cs are a protective shield for platform that in other cases can't be blamed.

Site terms and condition sometime also become things that are ignored by gamblers such as using a VPN or other thing that are considered violation. Some of the big wins that violate TC have been discussed earlier. At this point, I think the site will win even if the gambler can't accept it.

The similiarity about this is like ponzi. they paid people to get more people, I think it's the same with that system. what's more, if it's trusted by other people, maybe other people will believe like him too. but when people feels get scammed and that issue spread everywhere I think more people will lose and not believe anymore unless they clarify what happened.

It can't be applied or compared to a Ponzi site where being reputable is far from happening. The experience is not the same.

Here in the topic, we are talking about platforms that are running for several years then eventually will turn into scams. These sites almost can't be considered as bad sites as they remain true to their customers for several years. The reputation is already built and now trusted by anyone.

Then suddenly, !@#$%. The rest is history.

Yes, ponzi is somewhat different here. Because ponzi scheme, you can already spot it even at the beginning. Whereas, for a casino to build business throughout the years, it is not about paying other people to promote their platform. Because it is hard to fake their services if it is already going for years. Now, if suddenly someone alleges them of being scammer, we need to verify if that person is saying the truth or just ruining the reputation of the casino. We can tell if he is just falsely accusing the casino by the proofs he will give to the public.

Dont know on how you do make out comparison about ponzis and gambling business on here.Only a fool who cant determine on whats a ponzi nowadays and honestly i dont see any connection with this because its too obvious since from the start and real business is something that could sustain itself on the long run and you can determine for yourself on whats ponzi and whats not.It is just a matter on how they would get their
players and make success on this industry considering that there are lots of competition out there which would really be a big challenge for new casinos or merchants out there.
Reputation should be built up and its a long due process.

On the other hand, people doing some Ponzi don't really trust the Ponzi site but instead, they are just riding the risks since it's paying. There's no form of trust built here and people here already know that it will, later on, be a scam.

In a legit site, there will be no trust issues since they are running for years. Unfortunately, some still ended up as a scam and that's the reality even after getting the people's trust and building it will take years.

Who says we need reputation to make money? We can make money without some reputation, this is just an ideology of someone who wants to gain status. And since we are all talking about online casino that suddenly turn their back because they saw a great opportunity to make money by destroying what they built.

A real business minded owner won't do that because that's what scammers do driven by their greed. I don't think scammers will last building a reputation first when all they see is an opportunity to make an easy money. Or let's just say they did build a reputation but I don't think they will last for a year or two before they start doing some shady stuff to their customers.

What do you mean by modern world? We're all living in the same planet. I think you meant to say is the third world country. Well, it's a common thing there a lot of people has a corrupted mindset.

Yes my bad. ponzi are wrong analogy, i just remember the case of a casino offering high odds for world cup matches and they were offering many bonuses and in the middle of the match the odds changed. its like they promoting to get many people for betting there because they had high odds than any other casino had, and when the match begin they changed it. or maybe they have no intention of cheating, but there is an error from their system. no one knows, if they want to continue to be a trusted casino they must be responsible.

Cryptsy, MtGox, Cryptopia, Bitpoint etc. - some of these claimed to be hacked which I doubt.

I also don't understand why after being established as a reputable company, scams or alleged hacks will happen then they will get away without giving the right compensation to their users.

Even with the most famous companies today, we should just remember that always play safe as we don't know what will happen next.

This has happened in the past. Now such incidents isn't happening around. In recent days more number of gambling service providers stopped the service and moved to other business. By the time they could've ended with an exit scam, but none did that. They notified users about the plans and later closed settling all the funds deposited on the platform. Right now things have changed a lot than the past when we talk of cryptospace and reputation.

MtGox was run as a fractional reserve basis after it lost some of its reserves.  Cryptsy I know slightly better and if all accounts by ex staff were true, it was compromised by its own CEO manhandling security until someone took advantage, after that they probably ran fractional reserve which wont work as crypto is too volatile basically.


I think thats the biggest clue how to avoid a problem setup, if its operating well theres more to be lost in not continuing the business then the idea of ruining the company in this way.   If there is problems and also the site is unresponsive or not even adhereing to their own terms and conditions properly then its reasonable to suspect there is a problem and be cautious at this point.  That'd certainly be fair enough but most complaints are related to losing bets or mistunderstanding how the bet was lost perhaps.

Hopefully, that practice will be continuously done by those companies that will either; a) change or shift business b) experiencing a revenue loss or c) just totally want to shut down the operation.

An exit scam is still probably to happen to those who already built a reputation in the crypto-world but at least nowadays, it's not happening or should I say, it was minimized now, in most cases.

The bottom line, if we feel not comfortable on a certain site no matter how reputable it is, just don't leave our funds there for assurance.

They are on the legal side to do it when they got hacked and they don't give any compensation to their clients because there's probably a clause out in their terms and conditions that they won't be responsible when there's a hack or something like that. Totally agree with you about playing safe and staying skeptical about every company no matter how established they because they too can do an exit scam.

Due to more number of scams and usage of cryptocurrencies on darkweb, earlier there is a negative talk on anything associated with bitcoin. The reason for that is the bad image these firms that made on bitcoin. As said, now situation have changed a lot. Earlier people aren't aware of bitcoin and its potential. Now there is big awareness and people are getting much positive about it. As a part services associated with cryptocurrency have been getting turned to function in a legitimate way.

The thing that can make them do that is because they see a lot of money in their hand and they want to possess that money for themselves. That is greediness and that comes to people who see big money in front of them. They do not realize or remember that they need years to build trust from their customers and ruin that in a second.

We really need to be careful if that is all about money because money can buy someone.

The community will side with whoever is right and not precisely will side with the player all the time, if the terms and conditions are reasonable and the player was the one to break them and the casino can show evidence of this then the community will side with the casino and we have seen many examples of this in the past, however if the player can prove his case and show the casino is trying to scam him then the community will side with him, many times the accusations are just a misunderstanding or the claims of the player were already being considered and the customer service was busy with many other issues and things are resolved peacefully.

I think it all depends on what amount is involved in the scam.
I also think that many scams are not planned from the beginning but it is caused by the situation on the market or private situations of people responsible for a given business.
I don't think anyone has built a successful business over the years just to shut it down overnight.
I don't want to excuse anyone, because the majority of scams are made with premeditation. I mean only those that happen when someone has built their reputation over the years.

There are actually some exemptions with these one or simply truly situational because not all would really be having that fixed goal on scamming out people on the first place when they had already established enough
when it comes into their reputation.

If we do make out some balancing or situational consideration in terms of long term profits or just simply an on spot ones then i dont see for those gambling owners would be taking such step without minding
on which one would really make out some advantage.

Doesnt really matter if the amount involved is small or big because it would really be considered a scam if proven out that theyre not paying on what they owe to the players.

I think that the amount it concerns is very important. In the situation of unintended problems (financial trouble), a small amount could be easily covered and a loss of reputation would probably not occur. If a large amount is involved, the casino may choose to sacrifice reputation as the cost could outweigh the loss of it.

It's always easier to destroy than to build. It's the same everywhere. You can image how a man would take months and sometimes years of work and input it in building a house or perhaps acquire the house through taking a mortgage loan and using months of deduction with profit to pat it up and suddenly, could lose it within the twinkle of an eye. Either to an insubordinate child that sells the whole thing off as we have it in Africa often, natural disaster consumes it or its lost to some conflict.

Same happens to the trust built in either a company or amongst business associates. Worst of it is what happens in the crypto space where we remain  anonymous to each other and our trust is all we can hope on in doing transactions. Luckily for us, we've got escrow for which we can confer upon some degree of trust but then, anything can happen and to that fact, our wallet becomes  the closest thing to safety for our coins. In essence, you can't go all in on trust it could be destroyed either willingly at a targeted value or unwilling by some misplaced elements like scammers and unworthy employees.

I agree with @Hamphser here, big or small, a scam is a scam and that destroys the reputation of the business. If someone made a scam accusation against the site although the amount involved is small, people would see it and they will stay away in a casino so they'll not face that high risk of losing money.

It always starts with a small amount then it will grow over time, better avoid them as early as possible and I'm sure gambling operators understand that.

I feel there was some paid agenda against sportsbet.io some months ago but because the accusations never had any facts and substance to them up, they never lived up for too long. Hence, it might be easy to tarnish a casino's reputation but it cannot be upheld for long unless there is some truth behind it.

^ That is why many of them are did want to ruin their reputation by stealing any amount from the user because there probably instances that will affect their reputation. Because this reputation is a very important thing in any form of business, it could be firmed with strong positive reputations attract better people, and also have loyal users once your casino is reputable enough. Once reputation distroyed, a lot of people will advise another people and to another and so on, it will continuously spread out until there is no potential users will come.

Before they can use this as many clients doesn't know on what is the real happening between that incidents but now they can't fool people by using that excuse since this has been used for so many times and now everyone now that if  this excuse came out the exit scam attempt has been done so this must be a good indicators to us that never trust any platform even if they are old and doing such good business since maybe there will be time that they will do a the same exit scam scheme.

Most of those excuses are literally obvious that they are just making alibis or diversion just for them to looked innocent or didnt really make and exit scam this is why its really hard to believe on anytime
a platform or known merchant or any services that suddenly been hacked or simply those exit scams which the public could really be determined obviously because after all the things that we had known
or seen in the past then trust is something that you cant just give on 100%. Reputation can be built but it could really be ruined in an instant when intentions do suddenly changed up.

Well, that would be the matter and the best thing to do if we keep on seeing them. There's the ignore button if it's on the forum and if they keep on complaining through the chat of the casino then there are those moderators that will shut them down if it's already pointless to converse with them.

And talking about it in casino development, it's the toughest process of a casino business. And its speed depends on the owner of it including the developer but mainly the front face is going to be the owner of it and how he's going to handle and run the business itself.

Yes, and that's why it is much more probable that we can be scammed by a small and unestablished company than by a large and reputable one. We should be very cautious with newly appeared  gambling sites, especially if they are never running expensive(for them) promos, sig campaigns etc. It means they are not planning to establish themselves as a long running business, which in turn means that there is a high probability of exit scam.

Sort of alibis which been abused by many scammers so expect that many users will not believe this such stunt. Also maybe they intentionally build up a good reputation so that they can get the trust of majority and in the end they will scam them if they are settled with the huge balance they accumulated from the deposits of their clients so also we must awate on that things.

running expensive marketing but that gambling site ends up being a scam is a stupid move I think...

Joining a new gambling site has a big enough risk, but many are run honestly by a professional team. if a new site appears but only does marketing with talk then ignore it because it will most likely end in a scam, usually they attract users with big welcome bonuses or other unreasonable promos.

When you are already experienced then you would able to determine or would able to notice that right away on where their initial behavior when they are just starting turns out to be bad then you can
already presume that they might really up into something.Its just nonsense that they would be spending tons in marketing and turn out to be a scam later on? Its just really making out some
contradiction about on that manner which is really hard to believe.When they are just planning to scam out users since from the start then they wouldnt consider on letting those bucks flow into nothingness.
Reputation is something that cant be built easily and once they had gained it then they do now on whats the positive impact of it.

People still stupid enough, lol (but they think otherwise, yes). And they often easily manipulated, so there is no big deal to fool them. For that reason reviews is bought ins other places and sometimes even here (but here is problem that reputable users doesn't make paid reviews and review from Newbie looks enough suspicious)

I concur that playing on new casinos is risky because they don't have any history and although some of them might be really attractive like goosebet.io arrived with a really amazing design and a grand launch where they gave away a lot of TRX, I actually doubt if the giveaway was real but anyways they looked really promising but have now vanished somewhere suddenly.

I don't think signatures and costly promotions define anything because if a casino wants to scam users they can still run some promotions and giveaways since they know they will scam a much bigger amount than what they are going to spend in the process. I hardly play at new casinos for the same reason, you just don't know what their plans are and how long they are going to operate legitimately.

Not a good move actually,but the quest for more.
You no humans are never satisfied with small, and won't stay gor less

I agree that won't bring an assurance that the site will remain honest throughout its operations but at least, by doing those, the chance of becoming a bad site won't likely happen for let's say in several years.

Who knows that the scam's purpose will be changed once these owners see that they are generating more income by running the site thru legit operations. And from what I know, new gambling sites especially with licenses have their documents submitted to it so in case they turned into a scam, they will be facing the consequences of the law.

this has been a great trick performed by many scammers, i'm talking about the trick of making selective payouts.

for example:

if a scammers wants to run a casino he will create a thread here on the forum, will pay advertising, after he has many regular customers and newer customers every day or constantly he will start making selective payments, even if some injured people post complaining here on the forum and the scammers get negative feedback anyway the scammers will have new customers every day or constantly, so receiving negative feedback here on the forum will not be of much relevance to the scammers

Indeed that's the beauty of the forum, no matter how reputed or big the company is, if they have any disputes against their players, the player is free to open an accusation report against them with all the details and most often if the player's report is right and didn't make any mistake, the reputed members of the forum will tag the owner or representative of the casino which is a good red flag for players who might want to play at the site.

Right and some blogs can take money and give false ratings to scam sites like 1xbit and others but here at the forum, trusted members won't take the money and leave incorrect feedbacks.

The forum's reputation of a site is a good reflection of its operating history and their honesty.

A lot of companies I've had about running away with customers funds even without government been able to sanction them with obvious evidents. Most companies are not even building on genuine reputation this days cause money can still settle this aspect since a lot of people always want to confirm the reputation of a company before purchasing their products.
Running positive reviews like on Facebook, YouTube, Telegram etc are still means of getting a good reputation which are mostly sponsored to companies or owners of the products and services.

You should tell this to 1xbit.  8) Because they are exactly doing what you are saying.

There are many scam accusations against that casino and yet they keep promoting their business aggressively on every platform possible. Common logic dictates that they should spend their resources on solving the ongoing issues with the players but here they are, doing the exact opposite.

Well I do think that a good established businesses would not be suddenly scamming people out of their money since all of these things does not happen suddenly. They might get few unfair reviews but that's something which is usually resolved . But at the end of the day businesses loose money drastically and it's when they starts causing probelms for not one or two players, but many. When you talk about them scamming only 1-2 players I think most of the time it's the fault of the miscommunication and the team. Sometimes they might use VPN which is not allowed etc.. some minor issues.
When you see that a business have started scamming people, get out of it. Entirely. It's when you know they have gone bankrupt. When we talk about 1xbit I think we have far better options therefore don't even go there.

These scammers get smarter with every passing day. With selective payments to their customers, there would be mixed reviews for their gambling site which ensures that new customers keeps coming to play considering not everyone is saying they're a scam. It just reminds me of the ponzi schemes in 2017 - 2018. They did stuff like this and caught many people in their scam trap. But when they saw that people got to know their tricks, they scammed all together. It's important that we see these patterns early so we don't fall prey to these guys. They take calculated risks by investing to get more people on board.

These things do really exist but once a certain user does have real time experience and shared up their situation then thats what really counts because the community would really be aware

on how this site do operate which do end up on being scam.Its really hard to recognize on first point since it new but there are people whom do really love to test waters.

Their feedback surely counts because it would really make us aware.For those who are serious in business then they wont really be wasting up their reputation on just scamming out users.
Gambling is a long term business once you do succeed then it would be a fortune into its owners soon.

Well described but then why go with a new casino that has no reputation? There isa good number of established ones. I know what you mean and they build their casinos and everything looks professional. It would be important to at least ensure that there are no fake reviews. Hence use websites where fake reviews are extremely difficult. I for my part stick with established ones that look back on a rather longer history. Yet, it could happen if a new casino has allegedly attractive new markets. I don't know, start low level with less money, cash out on a frequent basis and limit of getting busted.

Even on the stock market you can lose it all by a scamming company. Unbelievable if you take the case Theranos. There are ways to protect yourself. As someone said somewhere else make sure they at least do have an established license! And if they also have a very high positive ratio with a large number of reviews, it usually should be fine. There will always be this one exceptional case though.

This is why if you have good amount of money to play with, just use it on the reputable sites known to this forum.
Because in case the site froze your account or you can't withdraw, some people here can help you with your problem.
Especially if you have done nothing wrong to flag down your account. Sites won't ruin their reputation from one unresolved issue.
That is, if you stick to reputable sites in the forum. But for new ones, try using small amount of money.

You made a valuable point about sticking to gambling sites that have been around for a long time and known for their reputation. But I want to ask what if it's a new gambling site that means well for their customers but can't get people to trust them enough to deposit money and play at their books and casinos? These scammers are making it difficult for new legit gambling platforms to have a shot at launching and get a name for themselves. About the issue of license, it's like a week since that was discussed here on the forum and everyone came to the conclusion that gambling licenses have little to no guarantee. Scammers can just invest in a license and then use it to scam people.

That is what you call "adverse selection problem". The bad drive the good out of the market because they destroy trust with their actions. You have that in the employment environment for example. Or in any market you can think of and it is a problem that could never fully be erased. It is an interesting concept that exactly explains the issue you are raising. You can just google it and read up on it, it is worth the read.

Regarding the licenses, yes, it is true but at least makes the situation a few % points more likely that they are not the worst scammers on planet earth. But generally speaking it's true, that is no guarantee you don't get scammed.

All these ICOs back then in 17/18 had their businesses in the Cayman Islands and what not. You couldn't just get a hold of them even if you who they were. They hide address of their hometowns, use nicknames on the internet and fake their Linkedin accounts. Knowing where the company is legally registered doesn't help you if it's Cayman Islands or anything like that.

That's the risk we all had to live with when those ICOs took place. Anyway, let's hope we won't got phished by scammers anytime soon, hopefully never again, but that seems unrealistic.

This forum has so many reputable gambling sites that we do not have to worry if they will scam us because they build their reputation over the years and serve their members best. Every problem that the members have will be solved by them, but we need to be patient because they have many members and need to investigate every issue carefully. But no matter what reputable gambling sites we played, we can not protect our money if we do not control ourselves. And if you still worry about playing gambling on those sites, you can use little money.

Controlling ourselves is actually the best solution for this. Heard some users actually blame some casinos when they tried to exclude themselves using the casino's exclusion program.

The reputation of the casino could still be affected no matter what because not all the people on the internet read the details of the gambler's protest. Most of them are just reading the thread title and judge by what is posted without looking if there is proof.
 

wait mate , balance disappeared or being Freeze ? those are different thing because there are only few that i read that vanishing and cannot even be supported but the banning or frozen ? this are the situation gamblers are facing and the scamming starts from the site because they can just clearly say the account violated their Toss and if you seek for proofs , then they will hide from their Company Privacy rights.

If they can control themselves before they play gambling, I think they can prevent losing their money. Besides that, if they do not make a mistake and the losing is pure because of playing gambling, the casino will not react because that will be their own mistake.

Yes, it is related to the casino reputation, but if the casino can investigate and do not find anything suspicious, I think the casino will not lose its reputation.

And the worst part is that in the example that you are giving you can still rebuild the house with enough time and effort but when it comes to your reputation this is not possible, once your reputation has being tainted there is not going back, you cannot start over, your reputation is going to follow you everywhere you go and this means that no player that is smart enough to make their due diligence before they gamble is going to choose a casino with such a bad reputation.

And the worst part is that in the example that you are giving you can still rebuild the house with enough time and effort but when it comes to your reputation this is not possible, once your reputation has being tainted there is not going back, you cannot start over, your reputation is going to follow you everywhere you go and this means that no player that is smart enough to make their due diligence before they gamble is going to choose a casino with such a bad reputation.
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People will always remember the bad things in you but not the good ones, once trust been broken its already hard to recover it. It will marks your name already if tagged scam. Due to competition of having many casinos people can easily get rid of those who already bad reputation and replace it with new ones pr old casinos that don't have red marks yet. So if a casino already build their name, they must maintain it.

That is happening.

But regardless of what they see, if there's already some negative comments. They have to verify it first and check the legitimacy of the casino they are wanting to play.

That should always be the initiative that they need to do.

That's really important and I often times search on google scam with the casino name and these fake complaints show up. For example, we all know sportsbet.io is legit as it can be but if you google sportsbet.io scam you will find a lot of threads linking to bitcointalk which might confuse a new player if he doesn't know how to differentiate between a real accusation and a fake one.

There are players who will lose money and try to bad mouth the casino/sportsbook to get their money back which doesn't work but does bring some bad reputation and may cost the site a few potential players because of these fake reports.

There are more and more fake reports for some reason now as compared to a few years back, maybe some competitor is paying these guys to create FUD against reputed sites.

Even reputed sites can cheat but I agree that most of the well-established ones are least likely to scam given their revenue and their brand. I have played at almost all the casinos that have a thread here at bitcointalk and I haven't been scammed by any casino. It might be just that I am lucky or maybe casinos don't see any value in scamming a small player like me. Whales must be the target even for scam casinos so the best way to avoid being cheated by a casino is to play small maybe.

No casino used to perform KYC when I first came to crypto gambling but now every site emphasizes more on KYC or at least wants you to enter your details even if you don't want to verify your ID yet. I miss the old primedice days when one could just enter a username, make an account and start playing without the fear of being asked for documents if they win big. I haven't played at PD since a while so unsure if they ask documents but I miss those days.

That's true. For me it is really a shame for someone that is accusing the casino of being scam even though it didn't even do anything from them. I understand the frustration but they shouldn't act as they've lost because of the casino. They chose to play there in the first place.

Good to see you do not get scam by any casinos here. Maybe that is because you played gambling for fun and did not have a big passion for winning big money. Besides that, the casino won't try to scam you if you are just playing with small money or just use the faucet from them. Playing with small money will be okay if you do not have a target to win some money. But I guess that many people are greedy to win big money from gambling.

Yes, I experienced seeing casinos do not require KYC, but that is a few years ago. Now, the casino is concerned about their members and wants to know who they are because some use too big money to play gambling.

But we knew that there ar organized group inside forum and even outside  that only Posting to ruin some gambling site reputation or to ask bribe so they will be silent .
We have seen tons of them attacking one site specially when this is new .

or others are puppet of competitive site that was being alarmed by the sites presence so they are acting fast for their players to retain.

I know that those are not documented but it is an obvious fact .

That kind of people who suddenly blames the casino that they are rigging their own games aren't or shouldn't be allowed to play because they cause unnecessary ruckus and in this case make others doubt that the casino is fair. Remember folks that casino isn't rigged but the games aren't on your side, because how can they make money if you are winning everytime. You go to the casino to be entertained and winning is just a bonus.

It makes a lot of sense since some cases happen like this...

there are lots of scam claims going on on reputable gambling sites without proof and screenshots. or there are also competing sites that make false scam claims to bring down the reputation of the site. do not carelessly believe can be a wise choice at this time IMO

We may not see much-established gambling casinos do exit scamming but we can see lot of accusations against each gambling site no matter how good their reputation but some casinos resolve it quickly and accept their mistake while some never resolve anything but they will keep dragging without paying the users. People also violated terms call gambling sites scammers when they lose their money so read the terms before playing and never gamble there if those terms are against your gambling activity.

There are exceptions, as always, but most of the time costy promos do mean serious intentions and orientation on the long-term operation. Gambling business is profitable, but you need a good starting capital to stay afloat in the early stages. Once you have it, it's better to run your business honestly and make good money with that instead of scamming people and be running from law enforcement.

and they will even spend big amount of money just to get our trust , sometimes they will build the name for long time and then will break it just for short chances.

And also these happens upon desperation , when the gambling site is experiencing lowering income and they starts to feel the pressure of the business? then they will act inappropriately so they will still make money even if they lose their credibility .

That can't be said for every businesses, look at EA, they are notorious for making the games that they create become a pay to win kind of thing and despite their deplorable and scummy reputation, they are still doing great with their business. Some big companies that are too big to fall can't break easily especially if they are backed by powerful people. It indeed take years to build reputation but if you make a big enough company, you won't worry too much about that.

I agree to this.

Most likely this will happen when a gambling site doesn't have any license, they could do anything illegal since for sure, the people they have used on their team are not even legit, so they have the guts to runaway whenever they feel to do so, like what you have said, when they are not earning good anymore.

But if a certain gambling site do have a licence and SEC registered, I guess their only option is just to shutdown their business if they are not making any good bankroll.

Cant denied that if your licensed or regulated, the users does have the chance if ever they would turn out to be a scam but since we are on crypto world then that wouldnt really give an assurance.
Come to think that there are even good gambling sites now that doesnt have license so that simply means that being legit doesnt really need nor necessarily to have license but having
one in a business is mostly like had some advantage when it comes to public positive impressions but not all the times though.
Reputation cant be build over night and it does require lots of years for you to build one.

Unfortunately this is common as well, a player may get mad they lost a lot of money on that casino and even if it was completely fair they decide to accuse the casino of cheating, this is very common for those that practice martingale as they cannot believe they lost so many times in a row and they think it was impossible for them to do so, but they forget that the more you do something the higher the chances that something like this happens which means that they are accusing the casino of cheating because they did not even understood their own strategy.

Although there are instances that reputation of casinos are damaged due to exposure of the immoral acts and intentions of the regulators, there are also instances that their image are shattered because of wrong claims. It is indeed unfortunate that reputation is being tainted just because of some rants and accusations that casinos are not really at fault at but messages are being passed on and may linger on.

the veracity of claims can be seen by proofs and explanation. so if the player has weak proofs and just talking because he's butt hurt with his losses, that's for me is not a valid accusation towards the site. so you need to check the validity also of the claims. not all accusations are true. some stemmed from big losses and they couldnt accept it.
an established casino won't ruin their name by simple mistake.

If the casino is not guilty and does not see a wrong thing from the accusations, the casino can rebuild their trust by always giving the best of them. But if the accusations show they are doing something wrong to many gamblers, that will ruin their reputations sooner or later because people will see that they can not sustain their rep and serve better.

But manage the reputations will not be easy than damaging the reputations because we need to serve better constantly to all of our members.

I followed that drama and it's not right to cast an accusation based on your behavior, he was not scammed it's just that he wants the gambling site to have a bad report for being late including him in their exclusion feature.


These people who are posting baseless and fake accusations should be tagged because they are ruining the business of a reputable company.

There were a lot of those reports that they've been putting their negligence against the casino. In the real story, it's the fault of the gambler and they're only looking to blame the casino because they've never considered themselves to be responsible enough with the money that they're gambling. In the end, they lose. But if they've won a lot, they'll just shut their mouths and as if nothing has happened while taking the withdrawal from that casino.

Yes, there are people for whom scamming others is not an option, whether they are doing well or losing money, and I respect such people very much. Even if they knew they would get away with it, they would never attempt scamming. Apart from credibility you can lose self-respect, and after that you are going only way - down. To be unsuccessful in business is nothing comparing to losing self-respect.

Actually no need for rebuilding trust as long as the casino can defend any scam accusations against them. It will also add some confidence if they will always win against any scam or negative accusations against them.

But sometimes, there are trolls that will just post baseless accusations and it's a waste of time for casinos to talk back against them. For such cases, a complete statement by the site staff is already enough to shut down those trolls. If these trolls will still continue to throw baseless accusations, I believed other people will know the difference between a valid argument and a troll one so no need to worry that the site's reputation will be at stake.

As long as the scam accusation had valid proof or evidence, it's necessary for a gambling site representative to answer the scam accusation. We are in a community, if they are silent, that will not help them as people will assume that the evidence posted is valid and the gambling site is not taking action against it. For a gambling site to maintain a good reputation, it should have good customer service, and that is done by handling all the complaints professionally.

Cryptocurrency gambling world or not, as long as they come clean with complete legal papers to their Government on whichever country they belong, that's enough assurance to give to their players, because obviously if they would run off or decided to scam their players, then they could proceed to legal cases about it like filling a case against them, easy as that, if the people they scammed really wanted to do so.

When it comes to legal actions then nothing beats out if a certain company is registered or licensed because it could really be easily to be traced up and since people who are involved is known then

chances for some refund would really be there compared to those who aren't known or unlicensed which it is lesser in chance to make up some retrieval of funds.

This is why people does have that impression that having license would be much better compared to none.

The idea of regulation can be market based also, it doesn't just have to mean centralized authorities clearing through legal courts with lawyers and giant expenses to any case.  I'd suggest for crypto that its far more likely to be a market economy type of regulation where its unlikely to be beneficial in breaking a good reputation, that would be part of why this forum is useful in that it gives a voice to otherwise singular players but collectively the customers have some say as to the reputation of any operation.
  Its not gambling exactly but I remember both Mt.Gox and Cryptsy sites had warnings given on their failings before an actual collapse on those sites, that was a pretty useful heads-up.  It cant just be one person giving an opinion, it would have to be a consensus formed by many but I think thats possible and even happens with mainstream sites.

That is what I mean because sometimes trolls will always create many accusations to get down the reputations of the casino so the casino needs to make sure their customer that they did not make any mistake. A trusted casino with a reputation will always try to solve every problem their member has as fast as possible because they do not want to delay and make their members leave.

The casino needs to build a reputation and that is not because the casino is already bigger but the bigger the casino, the wind will blow stronger than before. So the casino needs to manage their reputations better than before.

But you cannot blame some of us to have still second thoughts even if the site is already serving people here for years because there are other site that build their reputation at first with good motivation but eventually turning into being scammers .
Actually mate using small money is not really a good strategy because scam site will never apprehend you with small amount of withdrawals but when you gain at least x5-10? then the question will start .

Actually Mate sad to believe but i guess there is no classification in this matter because even Licensed Gambling site still facing some cases in the past as far as i remember .
and besides sometimes Licensed was just being used to Hide their true colors that their main objective is to scam people.
Well hope this what all of them do, but licensed only comes from curacao in which some times being violated AFAIK .

Yes, that is because the casino breaks the members' trust, so they need to build their reputation and even they already serve people for years or the casino will not continue their business.

Yes, you are right. But the scam site will not show that they are one of the scam sites unless they scam people since they run their business. Using small money will only test how good the casino is and how we can trust them and if time goes by and we know that they are a scam site, we will not lose too big money with them. Getting x5-10 will only depend on your luck. After all, if we really got that big winning but did not allow us to withdraw, we only use small money, not big money.

The issue is that this works here in the forum as we have DT members that take the time to actually look at the claims and the evidence and decide whether there are some grounds for the claim to be legitimate or not, but on the rest of the Internet people can make all kind of claims and no one is going to be there to challenge them, so the reputation of a casino can suffer just because one payer lost a lot of money and even if it was fair if they complain about it other people may believe their story without looking at the evidence.

Possible but most of the time it would be just ignored because 1 complaint wont be enough on taking down on sites reputation unless if this involved lots of money that hadnt been paid out and there's some sufficient evidence then it would really be ending up that business on point once its been proven.Once a gambling sites reputation had been painted out then those negative things would remain for a while which would affect their
ranking or popularity or something connected to that and its just part of the business and as an owner then you would really be needing to resolve those if you dont like for your business to be over.

Yes, you can take legal action against licensed businesses, but in my experience, unlicensed businesses are the most problematic. People are becoming more wary of both licensed and unlicensed businesses these days, and because there are so many scams out there, they always choose the legitimate one.Aside from refunds, licensed businesses can be assured that their service or product is good and worth it.

This reminds me of Adkinsbet situation where they bought accounts of people or paid them to post negative reviews about their competitors but that attempt failed after they getting caught,
I think in most cases the guilty one Either Casino or Customers will leave a trail behind them unknowing to prove they are guilty and people who are good at catching these subtle cues will know.

Quite often, when googling about a crypto gambling site reputation I see some posts from bitcontalk in the top results. Unfortunately, this is far from being the case all the time. But really, where else we can find so many crypto gamblers gathered in one place? Also, people here value their reputation on this forum, so they are trying to provide honest information. I wish more people knew how useful this forum can be.

This is good news, I never tried because when I search for information regarding the reputation of a casino I do it directly here in the forum and if I find out the casino does not have an ANN thread here then I do not bother with them anymore as the most important casinos have their threads here meaning that a casino with no ANN thread is simply not big enough or it is trying to avoid this forum actively which is never a good news.

I have only learnt up on playing gambling after i had met up crypto and it do open an opportunity to deal with lots or various of things where gambling is one of it and just like you on when
the time i do look up for something then this is the common or first place i do look upon when in doubt neither a site is good or not because community feedback is always been the best
and reliable.You can directly determine if a site is a potential scam or had been on this place for years already or simply well established and reputable.
And this is one of the benefits or goodness when you are dealing yourself into a very active community in all aspects.

It have become a standard.

For someone who's in the forum, if there's no official ann thread that's being found on the gambling section. It's what you and probably the others are doing.

It's not a bad basis and standard because you get to see people posting on their ann threads if there's a common problem or they've got a trust issues from the community that have gambled on their casino.

This is true. Most forum users stick to casinos that are found in this forum because it is easier to interact with the casino rep if they have thread here. But for some who want to check the reputation of the site, you can always check the trustpilot - https://www.trustpilot.com/ also. Sometimes, you can read outside reviews but of course, verify also the authenticity of the complaint. Because some are bogus reviews. But for me, this forum alone is more than enough to know the reputation of the casino.

Yes, some of them don't have the rep and became inactive but as much as you see, there are reviews already being posted which will be helpful for your choice.

Those other reviews website will help you but check if it's obvious that those reviews are paid.

Searching the recommended gambling site here is not easy. As long as the site has the active thread and @OP and they do not have a problem except fixing the member mention, that can be the site that we can try to play gambling. We can also stay away from one site if the site wants to trick people, so we do not lose our money on the bad site.

Have you ever taken a look at https://www.btcgosu.com? This site compares online casinos, regularly posts bonus promotions and investigates scam accusations against casinos and warns users about them if they actually turn out to be true. I personally like to use it, especially when I want to try a new casino and am about to deposit BTC. So you do not have to follow umpteen threads here in the forum but get important information immediately at a glance.

Just go around gambling section and reputation/scam accusations section will help you find a legit and good one.
also service section is the place where advertising is come and promoting site in the open.

with those help you can evaluate which site is legit and safe to play.

I knew about that site and I visit that site occasionally. Yes, that site can recommend a gambler who wants to search the gambling sites that fit him. We need to collect as much info to know the right gambling site to prevent scamming. With following the thread from here, I think it can help us know if the sites represent active, giving an update to the members or not too often giving the update or not very active to check their thread.

Yes, that suggestion will help gamblers know which site is having trouble and still trying to solve the problem and which site does not want to solve the problem. Once we found the site that we want, we can play gambling without worry.

That's why it's better to deposit in casinos that already built their name and reputation since they have name to take care with. The risk of having fault or flaws is minimal unlike in new casinos. But it's still good to try new casino for new experience just make sure not to put too much money in it or just put sufficient budget good for a minimal time only for gaming experience.

Yeah,its always been recommended but lets do make out some chance for new gambling sites to be tested on because those reputable sites are ones new sites too

which there are people who do test out for themselves and prove them out  to be good and legit and as years goes then they are already gaining their trust and reputation.

Yes, these things can be broken out with issues would arise and even it gets resolved then its unavoidable that bad impressions would be there.

Very good! Because I think only through such independent sites it will be possible at all that people can inform themselves about (new and existing) casinos at all sensibly and decide whether they want to create an account or not - especially when more and more casinos now require (have to require) KYC

I also feel more secured in depositing in known and famous casino sites because there's an assurance that they wouldn't scam you or cause you any hassle since they're handling their reputations well and they wouldn't do anything that would break the trust of their users. As for me, it would be better to look for trusted sites than the new ones.

Not only that, but casinos that has a good reputation will put you at ease, you could sleep at night not worrying about your money getting lost. Also, well trusted casinos gives you a lot of perks, my favorite is if they are giving a 24/7 customer service just in case there is a problem that is going to be encounter by a player, because you don't want to play in a casino in where you'll count sheep before you could be assisted to fix your problem.

A well trusted casino turning out to be a scam in the end is like 1 out of 1,000,000 chances.

Wrong mate, Assurance cannot be found anywhere because no matter how Old and legit the site in time there are chances that they become scam like others site that starts good but over the time becomes scamming.
But at least in Old and popular gambling site there are more security than those newly created.
And also why need to find new casino when you already have those old site that you use to play or even your friends that introduced you to those sites.

You are doing it right, mate! :) It's just I have this habit of googling things even when I know exactly where to look for the right answer. I can say that Google AI has been improving with years big time, and that's why I hope that in the nearest future we are going to see more and more links to bitcoiontalk in the top search results. Regular gamblers will benefit from that because nowhere else the reputation of crypto gambling sites is covered so fully.

I think there are two different reasons why this can happen. Firstly, the business was established for the sole purpose of disappearing sooner or later with the users' funds. If that was my intention as a company founder, I would do it the way you described. I would try to create a well-functioning, visually appealing online casino and then, as soon as I have a large number of users on my platform and a correspondingly large amount of capital on the wallets, I would pull off the scam.
The second reason is that the casino itself is totally legit but you were a victim of an criminal employee of that casino who somehow managed to steal your funds. In that case the casino should compensate you.
Of course there is also the possibility that the accusations are just faked by a competitor business.

I guess there is a third category of fraud here: if you set up an awesome, as you say visually appealing online casino with good intentions and it starts growing, it's also possible that you belong to those who out of a sudden can't resist their inner temptation because they may not before having been confronted with managing larger amounts of money or possessing larger amounts of money. I ask myself how often that has been the case especially in the crypto sphere where someone started out with good intentions and then thought: well, I'd rather take it and run off.

And that is a great thing as this stops a great deal of scams happening, but unfortunately there is a great deal of bitcoin users that do not use this forum or do not even know that it exists and this is a problem because instead they rely on the information they see on social media and we know that there are many accounts there that are paid to promote a casino, and while there is nothing wrong with that we know that there are many accounts that are promoting casinos that scam their customers, and since people do not know this they keep falling into the same scam which they could have avoided if they just consulted this forum.

It's obvious that if a Pyramid scheme company or altered name "Cloud Mining" pays a good chunk of money then there are going to be people that will promote that scam because of the money they're getting out of it.

It doesn't take them more than 2-3 months before they disappear and come back with another Similar website, I remember there was this website DubaiTrade, the owner of that website scammed me and came back with another site and asked me to invest into that saying "You should, while it lasts"  ;D

At least they are making hints.  :D

When you are already experienced then spotting out these scams would really be easy for you to determine that you are already facing with a scam.

When it comes to reputation and trying to protect it then most business owners would definitely be trying out to sustain as long as possible.They do know that they could benefit out

on longer run and its true that this is something which can really be easily be broken if one would really be making out those shady acts.

We are not perfect, even with lots of effort making research on a certain project or investment, sometimes we still fail. What's important here is we learn from our mistakes as that would lead us to success and we will become more mature in dealing with future investments.

It's still not late for us to learn, as long as we the basic things which are to invest what you can afford only and knows how to diversify the risk, then we should have enough money to put to another investment opportunity.

Back in the days when I was still an elementary school kid, my teacher always made us to understand that, the brain was the largest room on earth. We kept wondering how is that, something so small and its just up there but yet, it's said to be the largest room. Anyway, we later got to understand that it was a room that house knowledge and as such, it can never be filled. You might ask yourself why is that?
It's simply because, there is only so much you can learn and we learn everyday. From the number of things that happens to us, one can only hope to learn a thing or two that would help in another event. Not learning is not an option and making it an option is you opening your arms to failure.

So, in your learning, you learn  risk management and appropriation of funds too. It safeguards your investment.

I think we can exempt in the discussion those investments that is an obvious scam, OP was telling about years of building a reputation so it's a legit business that has ruin their reputation in the long run. Ponzi schemes such as cloud mining won't last long, you'll be lucky if they'll last a month.

First off, I truly believe that reputation is subjective because there are lots of factors to consider. However, to prevent exit scams, it is really important that the casino that you choose should be properly regulated and registered and not just because they offer all the games you enjoy.

Also, as you already know casinos will always entice a new user with sign up bonuses. Before you decide to sign up and claim your bonus, read meticulously the TOR (terms of reference) to ensure that you are okay with how you must use it. It is crucial that every casino have a multiple media ( Email, Telephone, Twitter, Instagram, WeChat etc) that enable users reach out their customer service and that they should be available 24/7.

Lastly, any casino that doesn’t have options to set deposit limit is definitely after profit more than reputation as they are not encouraging users to gamble responsibly.

This will not save you from scammers in any way. If the management decides to cheat the players, it will do it, but different tricks will be applied than if it were a casino without regulation. For example, a "hack" will be made when all funds of the casino and players are "stolen". This has already happened with many exchanges, this is a common algorithm.

We as humans must continue to learn, so that our brains can be filled with various knowledge, which may be useful for our lives. People who
are lazy to learn something, will have difficulty running life, even the chance of experiencing failure is much greater. So never stop learning,
so that the opportunities for success are wide open. People who have studied risk management and fund allocation, there is still the possibility of
failure when investing. Moreover, people who do not study at all and immediately jump into investing, failure is inevitable.

As long as we can learn from the mistake, I am sure we will grow better and make sure not to make the same mistake. But we will have a chance to make another mistake as part of our lesson is better than before.

At least, if the casino makes a mistake, they will try to search for how to fix the mistake so they do not let their customer disappointed. With the casino's reputation, they will always maintain to be trusty and recommended by the gamblers so they can get more gamblers that will play gambling on their place.

Such things often used to be the case with darknet markets on the dark web, but I don't think it would be easy to get away with it on the clearnet, especially when the site is registered and properly regulated. Imo, trying to exitscam is suicide for the management of a gambling site because it's almost guaranteed that the truth will come out after a proper investigation.

This happens all the time in crypto projects, especially crypto exchanges (I don't know how you evaluate them as a dark market or as a clearnet), the last example is the Livecoin exchange. Where cryptocurrency is used, such a scenario is very likely, since even despite the transparency of the blockchain, it is almost impossible to return the stolen funds.

Though it is rarely to happen yet there are still site that do this thing Maybe in desperation or when the site is losing hope of rebuilding?
and making an exit scam?

But I think instead of doing such why not sell the site instead to at least make a good amount and let others handle the management.

Warren Buffet once said "we could afford to lose some money, we are rich enough for that, but we can't lose a shred of reputation, I rather lose billions a year before I lose a shred of reputation" and I feel like that is as true back then as it is right now.

It works for casinos, it works for any other business as well, for example I do not use amazon at all, even if it is cheaper there, I ended up paying something 3.6k instead of 2.5k because 2.5k was on amazon and 3.6k was somewhere else, yes that is right I paid over 1k more for something and that is not a small amount just because I do not deal with amazon at all, sure there are still so many people that use amazon but there will be less and less people who buy from amazon the more they keep being horrible. So it is not just about gambling, it works in every business in the world and if they lose reputation, that is the end of it, it is nearly impossible to recover from that.

I have come across Binance paying back to those whose money was hacked. This was genuine. But why should an exchange like Livecoin cheat its investors by hacking. Why dont such exchanges work on things to built its business and retain its investors / customers. Is it that they dont take risk in spending more money to built them up. It would usually take time to stand in the market. Do they fail to stand firm since they scam from the beginning

I've never read that quote from him but if that's what he said. It's true that it's reputation is more than money. On his logic that has been given as an example, he can earn more than what he's going to lose if he got his reputation stable because he can eventually get back that loss.
And that's the same for most reputable casinos, they're probably following the same logic and rule as what Warren Buffett has said because it's more of the reputation and profit will follow it.

Theyre connected to each other which you can presume out and would definitely choose if you were gonna need to select neither money or reputation.To think of that you wont really be getting money if your  reputation

is not known or bad.It would always be giving out that positive effect into someone or company and those lines said by WB then i totally agree with that.Reputation is something that cant really be built

in a short time because once you had able to built reputation then money would come next.

Those scammers really do not have any kind of shame don’t they? Still even if a person does not consult this forum they can still learn from those bad experiences as long as they do not invest a lot of money in them, I remember that I invested 20 dollars in a scam, not on this market by the way, and even if I lost them those 20 dollars taught me a lesson I will never forget, so in a way it was a reasonable price to pay for the knowledge I got, but there are people that invest all their money in those kind of scams and they suffer greatly because of it.

scammers know how to get the interest of users that are after for quick profit. they will give flowery words up until you send your funds to them. but if you know better, you will ignore this kind scheme. a lot are being victimised because of their ignorance or just plain laziness of looking up on the net. it is quite easy now to dig a lil bit as one search, you will find related articles on basically everything.
and most of the time, we need to learn our own lessons, and one is if we lost something and that will be our pivot point to be cautious on our cyber activities.

That is why the complainant must post all the posts and screenshots to verify all his accusations, you don't post here that you got scam with only words with no valid proofs to show the weight is always on the complainants and if he is posting he better make sure that he did not or have no intention to break the rules, it goes on who can show a better proof, for gamblers that he did not break any rules, for operators that the player is guilty of violating the rules and TOS.

With the proof, people will know who is making a mistake, the gambler's or the operator, trying to violate the TOS rules. I think the operator will not want to break the rule because it can ruin the reputation they already built a long time ago. Sometimes, the gambler breaks the rule by coincidentally and will not try to cheat their members because of some money because the casino made thousand dollars for them.

Reputation can be built but you need a long time for it to be established and that's why if it got to be stained, that's hard to be rebuilt and people who trusted that casino will have a hard time getting back the trust of the people. It is an important factor to us gamblers to get into the trustworthy casino that we've known for a long time. And that's why if there is some bashing from unknown people that tries to pull down the reputation of the casino we believe in, it's hard to believe those if we've been trusting them for years and if that person trying to destroy the reputation just came by and new.

It is really a slim chance to happen except when they are closing up and announcement would have been made to customers because they have built friendship and among empire of people and they might reopen in the future. Reputation is like the check you have to withdraw money from the bank, a bounce check is definitely a bad money just like a bad reputation does not yield good proceed.

It is not easy to build a good reputation if it is associated with business especially gambling business. I mean gambling is a legal tender in every country but there are issues that focused on gambling which can ruin a ggod image that the gambling business are trying to break. That is why it takes years to build a reputation but because of the competition of gambling businesses today the possibility to bring down other reputation is likely to happen. But on the other hand once a gambling business already established their reputation it is somehow hard to bring it down by some speculations without proof.

It could be but it needs strong proof of being a bad gambling site before people will believe in any negative claims.

It's not easy to take down other site's reputations without a solid basis.

That's why instead of throwing negative shots at their competitors in an attempt to ruin the reputation of a certain site, new site owners just have to make sure to operate legally and true to their clients so that even slowly they can build their own reputation.

You have a point mostly by gamblers who must have had repeated losses on a particular site and wishes to drag them to the mud. And those victims can decide to go any length just to make sure the tanish the image of the gambling site
Most users fail to investigate a matter the just jump into conclusion. Misjudging a site without due investigation shouldn't be called for. In most cases this sites happen to be very innocent of some accusations but because due research isn't carried out the reputation of such company might be tanished and it's always difficult to retrieve back and will result in lossing lots of customers

If they shut down the service by providing information first, then even if they close it won't destroy their reputation. Unless they close the service without any notification, if that is the case then it will certainly result in a lot of customer money being trapped and then they disappear which is clearly a scammer. Building a reputation is difficult, but destroying it is very easy. So the concern is about keeping that reputation attached to their service, because just one mistake that happened at least was enough to make the reputation drop a bit.

It is true that the chance of those reputable casinos turn to be scam is so small but we have been warned with some facts in this crypto industry.
For those who have not known, there are few names for this case where reputable casinos turn into scam.
They are Betking and Safedice. Both were reputable sites for years but turned into scam with different cases.
Betking turn to a scam after their ICO and Safedice is still unknown since there is no speicific information why the owner/admin gone.
Yeah, I hope there will be no more cases like those two sites in the future.

I don't really get your point here but money is the main reason people have disputes it revolves around money since gamblers only file complain about how their funds were miscalculated, overcharged, unable tonwihdraw and other related issues relating to gambling companies and funds. It's really difficult building trust and reputation but very easy to rub it on the mud

This is about beliefs. Unfortunately there are still people living in the past in their heads. They haven't noticed that the world has changed a lot since the "dog eat dog" times. You don't have to be at war with everyone around to succeed these days. Rather, you should participate in mutually beneficial cooperation. But if you are retarded, and you want to be at war, you exitscam all your customers or perform a selective scamming.

Thankfully, the army of retards is becoming smaller and smaller with time.

I've been listening to a podcast about online casino scam and they said outright scam (rogue casino) is getting less frequent these days. Nowadays, it's more about soft scam when the casino trick users without they realize. For example, registration bonus, or any type bonus with complicated requirement. Pending withdrawal so that impatient user will play and got busted (instead of withdrawing the money), etc.

I've tasted this soft scam and yeah, I don't trust the casino after that incident.

This is important, when it comes to social media it is enough to say something for most people to believe it is true, this has been used by some malicious people to try to affect the reputation of their competitors, but in this forum evidence is king, it does not matter if an established member of the community says something if a newbie can present evidence that the casino in question scammed them and he did not violated the rules then the community is going to side with him and red tag or even flag the casino that is misbehaving.

And if the complain is for the well reputed casino then that's hard to prove the point especially if the casino has already given a statement that they've given all the house rules of their casino towards someone's complain about withdrawal or any miscalculation.
They can justify the answer for those complains and that's why some even they're reputable, they have to protect themselves from such complainants that have that type of personality that complains almost everything.

I haven't seen any legit casino that has been around for a long time using tricks like this to taken advantage of their users although, I've heard of sportsbook that change the dynamics of bet closer to the end or after the bet has been placed regardless of whether the user is winning or not. That's an unethical move and is usually frown upon. Sportsbook like 1xbet and 1xbit ( dunno if it's same company) usually indulge in soft act.

The reason these casino scams got reduced is because of the increase in the number of legit ones. You'd be so busy with casinos and sportsbook like stake and sportsbet that you wouldn't have time to try out these other casinos that have such practices up their sleeves.

It's good we have plenty of them to choose from. Indeed this "soft scam", as you call it, happens all the time on various platforms, especially on the newly appeared ones, and it's annoying. I remember playing poker several hours per day, for like 2-3 weeks in a row, earning dust in free rolls, but still my balance was around $80 eventually. When I tried to withdraw it appeared that it was never their intention to give away the money. I was lucky because I didn't deposit, so it was kind of a "soft scam" for me, but still I wasn't happy about the whole thing, and left the site for good. Later the site vanished, and I actually don't think they made a lot of money. They were just wasting time, theirs and ours. But at least, we, players, were having fun playing poker. :)

I believe that what he meant is that reputation is nothing if big money is involved , means the reputation that the site helps build in for long years but when they are facing losses in their company and there is a shining money then they will risk that said reputation.
maybe better to look after your Signature campaign and that will tells you what reputation means and how this can be nothing to exist if money is involved.
because your banner company is facing tons of problems yet continuing the operation as if nothing is happening .

It should not be that difficult. At the end of the day, reputation, as defined by games theory, is an element that appears when the transactions are recurrent or when multiple transactions are expected along time between two parties. It would be very rare that you would only transact once with a gambling site, so each time you get a good experience and get paid as promised, or can withdraw you funds successfully the site is building its reputation. TBH, you just need to do things as they should to gain reputation.

The gambling industry has a lot of competition and this means that casinos that tried some kind of shady moves against their clients are not going to remain in business for long, I know that there are some casinos out there that have a very bad reputation in the forum and they are still around but they are the minority, the rest of the casinos cannot afford to do this and it is better to just be honest and treat their clients with respect and give them exactly what they want, this is why we have good casinos in this market that will never think of scamming their customers and instead are always thinking about how to give them the best experience possible so they keep coming back.

Once trust would be broken then it would really be hard to get it back when users or the community would able to experience shady activities or simply doing not being fair issues.
Building trust isnt something that can be done in few months time but it would take couple of years and you wont able to sustain if you dont know on how to handle your business
in the first place. Retaining users would be depending on the perks and bonuses that you do offer and of course with other factors as well like design and good user experience.
When you are making a business then this would be your main priority.,

This is one of the reasons why they delay the withdrawal by asking too many requirements they know that the player will take a chance while waiting for their requirement to get approve, so they will not get reported scamming you and not letting you withdraw because in the first place there's no funds to withdraw, the best action is to not use that funds or do not play at all until they resolve the issue if they will not let you withdraw or takes a lot of time to decide your issue then they will be reported as a scam site.

And you will be screwed if you forgot to read their ToS, and you will find out that you are not complying one of their conditions. That's when they can get advantage of you. So before playing big, make sure to read their terms especially those that are important requirements before withdrawal. Also, from time to time, read their terms as sometimes they update without informing their players.

This is important, sometimes in the forum we see players complaining they were scammed by a casino but when you begin to dig out what happened you can see they violated a part of the TOS and that the rules in the TOS are not predatory and as such the casino is on the right, so if anyone is out there gambling professionally or using a lot of money then they need to read the TOS of all the casinos in which they play to avoid that scenario happening to them.

Reading the ToS might be boring because of the length of words but if can be a big help to you and it can prevent you from making mistakes, so better to have time for this one. Building a good reputation is not easy at all, they work on it but still some gambling site are still committing a mistake to scam people especially if they start not pay the players, that could be the first warning to you.

That's right, but imo gambling sites should also care about those gamblers who don't read the TOS. It wouldn't hurt if a user was warned about possible problems with withdrawing before he/she was provided with a deposit address. I mean, I know that the warning is there somewhere in TOS, but what I'd suggest is that when clicking DEPOSIT, you don't see the address, but you see the warning first.

That will definitely be helpful, however we must admit that many casinos like to hide themselves behind their terms of service and save themselves a not so insignificant amount of money by minor violations their clients may incur, however it is fair to wonder if these kind of tactics do not play against them, because I know that if they did something like that against me I will probably never gamble in that website ever again and I'll just take my business to another casino that cares more about their clients.

i don't think casinos will extend their services like that - as for them, publishing their ToS is already more than sufficient. never seen a casino giving such heads up or warning from players before depositing. this is why it is your obligation to do your part as a player. and remember, some casinos will modify their ToS without notifying players, so it is really helpful to check their ToS from time to time if you are a heavy gambler of the site. in this manner, you will not feel that you are being screwed because of your shortcomings.

Majority of people does like to be spoon-fed thats why whenever a problem occurs then they do directly blame it out to the house without even realizing that they had already stated into their TOS on what are the
things you should be aware of and since you do make out some registering on the site then you had fully agreed on whats stated there and its true that it could be anytime they would really make out some
alterations since we do have those issues in the past that had been pointed out but honestly its really hard to make a fight on justifying that they had cheated but once proven then that would
surely be a big issue that would taint out gambling houses reputation.

A good casino will always notify its users whenever they are changing the TOS through an email. Those that are shady will never do it. If you are a heavy gambler then you should also keep a track of the emails being sent by the casino.

A good casino will do that because they are concerned with their reputations and do not want to break them. But the problem is the gamblers do not read the email notification and still do not know if there is a change related to the terms and conditions on that gambling site.

Many gamblers blame the gambling site because they do not read the email and not knowing the change. They think that the gambling site is trying to cheat them, but the mistake will be from the gambler.

Users should carefully monitor the sites before using the agreed casino sites because good sites never want to make their site worse. They are always trying to figure out how to improve the site that's why they often update to do something new then the users blame without checking anything that's why every gambler needs to analyze the site and check their emails if anything changes, mail is sent. No one easily believes in new sites because they are more scammed so it takes a long time to build a reputation.

many incidents like this, where the gambling site changes its TOS unilaterally, the most often found is changing the KYC requirements suddenly.  Professional gambling sites will definitely notify their users via email but unprofessional ones don't do that, this is the reason why don't carelessly choose a gambling site because the losses we can get can be very large.

A sudden update is indeed not good especially if its about KYC, but I know a good gambling site did this and yet they still have the trust from the gambler, maybe they are too good to be ignore jus because of the KYC. Building your reputation is not easy, it takes time and a lot of effort so if you are just going to create a project and scam your investors and gamblers, I’m sure you won succeed because crypto gamblers are more careful on dealing with the gambling site. Reading the ToS is a big help as well, this should be done first before you try to gamble on any new site for you.

It's just how some business are made to be. Exit scams that are used to add additional funding for their main projects. Even worse if they are just there to make a quick buck and quit entirely or re-enter under a different guise in order to trick more people. Unfortunately that's just how this world works for some. And for their sponsors and brand ambassadors, their works stop when advertisements are made and promotions are released to the general public. Most of the time they do not have complete affiliation to the project other than the fact that they chose to sign up for it. Well solution always come from the one faced with the problem as usual so it doesn't come as a surprise that you are the one to keep yourself from being scammed. Being more vigilant and mindful of whatever you do online be it connected to gambling or not is a surefire way to keep yourself from scam gambling sites that are there to make a quick buck out of your apparent gullibility.

The same actually applies to bookmakers, if you choose a bookmaker that always pays out nicely for years, but then suddenly does not pay out if it concerns a large amount, then you can also have your reservations about that as a player. Trust is important to customers in the gambling world.

And trust isn't something that can be gained or established in a short time and this would include those all factors that we do consider on spotting a good gambling site or bookies.

This do involved all of those qualities that we're seeking off and its true that it would only just be break on a single situation where you haven't paid out winnings.

This would mainly affect your reputation that you had built up for years that's why retaining and getting trust isn't something that can be bought or would need to be built for a long time.

That's really true I see that many good gambling sites that turned their reputation down in second by scamming users, not actually scamming but banning the users and leave no payment at all. After that many users didn't trust them and it will forever ruin their reputation.

Can you share some cases involving a "good gambling site"? Like to see how they are today after that issue and if many users are now in hesitation to use them again or the site reputation is now in a negative status.

I think some are resolved* and in some cases, the user themselves are at fault for why it turned out bad.

For those users that have been affected with those bans and no payment, they'll surely leave those casinos.

But to those gamblers that are remaining there and experiences nothing bad, they'll stay and that reputation for those people will stay.

They should be trustworthy even in a small amount, gambling sites should address issues as they come, and even if the issue is small because gamblers are quick to notice and will not ignore and remember their action, you are right to trust is very important and every project and gambling site should make it as their corner stone if they want to continue doing business.

this could be true because if we check the gambling section of our forum there are old gambling sites there but their reputation is already tinted ( tainted ).

whats its difference from being scammed ? both are the same but this are more worst for the owner and for the players because they can scam more people but their reputation will also gets uglier because more people will report them overtime .

You're absolutely right about it mate that is why it is also a sole responsibility of a gambler whatever the consequences once he/she choose to tap the small box stating that "I agree" to the ToS stated. This ToS are made for the benefit of the site and that is why whether a gambler like to read it or not he must do his responsibility to read the long stated ToS for his own sake. Sometimes, realization that we are the one who got wronged is much worst than blaming the house why these things happen.

The really big bookmakers have a lot of customers. I don't think they are easily steered by the fact that they have a problem with a customer. After all, every bookmaker or casino has a problem with a customer, often related to payout of course. But it's true, a reputation can be destroyed in moments.

If they can't solve the issue then they will surely break their reputation and soon will be bankrupt and when their customers request for a payout so they can't pay them. If the customer having requested for a payout and have a problem then that person will raise a scam accusations and their reputation will also change so I would say that reputation will break easily if they don't something about it and their platform may shutdown.

You underestimate the power of negative reviews. Every good businessman should care about EACH customer to maintain a good reputation and be ahead of constantly emerging competitors. Imagine, a certain online casino has 100 positive reviews and no negatives, that gives them, say 5/5 stars. At this point there's nothing that can stop potential customers from using this casino. Then, one day, a very bad review appears, which tells a horrible story where someone won $5k at the casino and couldn't withdraw the win. People will pay attention even to that one single neg, despite all the positives. As a result, due to mistreating just one customer a casino can lose many potential ones. At the same time, the other casino which has no negative (or less, because none is, probably, impossible) will win over the customers.

But there are negative reviews which are false or totally a lie which would be possibly made by competitors and we should really be watchful with that but somewhat people or the community isnt really blind on believing on this which doesnt have sufficient proof which it wouldnt really be that effective if they are trying to ruin out someones business or their competitor in the market.Reputation is something that can be build overnight.
This is something that you should protect as an owner since building it does cost all efforts or hardwork to gain that trust this is why you should really be mindful about on things happening around.
Dont let those false claims and accusations would be affecting you.

But still to provide the best service, small mistakes made by users must be resolved for the favor both parties as well, Once, some of my friends were considered to have violated casino rules because using their VPN services provided the best solution for the users as well. such as having to continue KYC if you commit a violation / can be given several chances not to repeat the violation. the problem is when the casino doesn't care about the user's money
or account and doesn't give a good response for their problems or mistakes.

There are a few gamblers that are dealing with them having bad experiences. They're probably looking for the perfect casino but the reality is that there's really no perfect casino. And every problem that they deal with those casinos, they're solvable as long as they're communicating well and bearing with them.

Yes, the majority that I've seen are related to withdrawals. But that's no problem as long as they've delivered the withdrawal amount but yeah, sometimes we feel bad if it's delayed a lot. Most casinos are learning from those experiences too.

I think there are perfect casinos, if we mean their intentions, but of course mistakes can happen anywhere. That's why the way Support of a gambling site works is of major importance. The reputation of the otherwise good site can be ruined merely by poor performance of their support.

I agree, the support has a major role to build a good reputation for the casino because even they're lacking of something but the support is fast to solve every gambler's concern then its a plus point to gain the trust of the customers. For me there's no perfect casino, they have their own flaws but every problem has a solution and this depends on each casino on how they will handle it.

I am sure the recommended casino will provide the best services to their customer and the casino will not disappoint them. If someone breaks their rule, the casino will approach them and tell them to solve the problem by giving alternatives to still playing gambling. Maybe the KYC will be applied for the members who break the rules because they do not want to see those members making the same mistake in the future. They can watch those members' accounts and will not tolerate if they make the other mistake. But not all casinos can do that and some casinos seem to not care about the members' problems.

that's why we really have to choose a casino that does have a good service to users, and many incidents like what you said happen to gamblers nowadays, and usually gamblers will find it difficult to make withdrawals when they win large amounts of money , and even the casinos block their accounts for various reasons that make no sense at all, so that in the end the gamblers can't get their winnings at all.
In my opinion, choosing a good casino is not only through the ratings and reviews given by its users on their website, but in my opinion, a good casino is when the casino is able and willing to pay gamblers when the gambler wins a large amount.

Trust the platforms that are suggested on bitcointalk.org; most of them pay and don't only have a good rating since, as you can see, they offer a lot of contests and raffles to their users, and they have already spent a lot of money on these types of events. It means you won't have to be concerned if someone wins a large sum of money; he'll be sure to collect his prize. It's becoming increasingly difficult to locate legitimate gambling platforms, as some platform owners are selfish and refuse to award a prize to a deserving winner.

Even if the support works perfectly in the casino, there will be people who, frustrated with failure, will accuse them of cheating. Of course, anyone who plays for a long time knows that such things happen, but remember that the gambling industry is a very large and ruthless market. I am sure that the besides frustrated losers, are there rival casinos with their tricks. Im sure they not only run campaigns to advertise themselves, but they definitely try to slander their competitors projects. When the action is big and intense, something like this can real make difference in players confidence to the casino.

One of the aspects of a gambling website that I heavily relied upon is their customer service. Without any proper customer service where the issues of the gamblers are not addressed, this would take a toll on its general and overall popularity. I remember, there was this famous gambling website but everything shut down when their customer service was reported to be malicious and full of scams.

Like what most have mentioned, it does take years to build a good reputation and only a few seconds to destroy it completely. While I do understand that solving all the issues of gamblers are difficult, this is the hurdle that one must face in order to survive in this business.

I understand that which is why I said that it will be helpful but I understand that the casinos at some point need to let their customers read their terms of service on their own, in what I do not agree with is the fact that those casinos change their terms of service without notifying their customers about it, this is incorrect because supposedly when you begin to play at a casino you need to agree with the terms of service, changing those terms without letting you know basically means you did not agreed to it and as such you should not be subject to them, so at least a notification should be received and if not you have grounds to challenge their decision in the case it is one of the changes made without you knowing about it.

I wouldn't generalize things here. The fact that there are many gambling sites trying to scam their customer doesn't mean that the whole market is ruthless. Honest sites struggle for years to build up a good reputation, and they should not be treated as one gang with scammers.


Not everyone resorts to such shameful activity. Only scammers do.

We should not blame the casinos for that. 90% of gamblers don't read fully the terms. How can they even know that there's a change of terms? How can they defend themselves that they violate one of the terms? There's no evidence they can show.

Reputable casinos can't just change terms if they are under license. The topic here is reputable casinos, right? Don't worry that a certain reputable casino will do that changing terms right away and gamblers are not aware. You can give an example if there's a reputable casino that does that thing.

You should know the terms and they've been elaborating it since the time you do decide to make some registration.Its just right that you should read up and if there were some alterations then you could really make out some complaints.

It is really just hard to make out some evidence unless if you do make out some screenshot but most of the time,gamblers doesnt really mind off about reading this and would commonly skip out.

Reputation is something for a business to retain because once they do let for it to be broken then it is really hard to get it back or winning the community trust once again.

I would not generalize either. And I add, a casino that works is one of the most profitable businesses there can be, and even more if it is online, so it has lower costs. Another thing is that it does not get much clientele, for example, and that is where some casino owners instead of thinking how to improve their business think about scamming, but a casino that makes money does not even think about it, because they are money making machines and the owners will earn much more and will have less headaches for running a honest business than trying to scam people.

There’s no doubt in that, false reviews are misleading, but not all people are even aware that there are such. That’s why I’m saying that even a few bad reviews can cause damage to the reputation of a casino.

As for customers, considering the growing number of fake (both positive and negative) reviews, I’d suggest only look at the ones within a trusted community, like btctlk, or, even better, suggestions from close friends and acquaintances.

Of course it's disgusting behavior and I'm totally against it. However, you have to admit that it is quite easy to create a fake accounts and everyday publicly make fake complaints to competing gambling websites. Of course, I'm not saying that everyone does that, but I'm sure some casinos try these kind of tricks. Note that complaints are mainly from Newbie accounts, isn't that weird?

In the vast majority of cases they simply don't have the money needed for improving their business. That's why for us gamblers it is a good sign when a casino spends tens of thousands USD on various promos. It means they are serious about what they are doing, and they want to be around for a long time, improving their business and reputation, and they don't even think about scamming their customers because, pragmatically speaking, they would lose much more than they would gain with that.

If you look at it closely, reputation basically is how the satisfied gamblers will be able to voice out their satisfaction to others, about their good experiences in the gambling platform or casino. If many of them has good reviews then reputation is good, if many gives bad reputations, many will go elsewhere but others the satisfied ones, will continue as patrons and then the good reviews will come again after they do another cycle of good word by mouth reviews for the gambling joint. Not everybody has the same perception. If the business is a big one then it will survive bad reviews.