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I see many people wondering. Do whales manipulate the market?
I found website, it contains all the information about whale wallets we need to know:
https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html?fbclid=IwAR1Sswk63v4xVX58QdJFhlbzCA6hLNbRguJyimWXK7AfnR86go1kze7gJdg
https://i.imgur.com/DK9xXbJ.png

Yes they do, one person can have unlimited amount of bitcoin so a whale has no reasons to hold all of his bitcoins into a single wallet.

In my opinion if the whales were also manipulating the market but it looks like your SS has nothing to do with it dude. That site was giving you an information about the richest bitcoin wallet and it doesn't have any correlation with the whales.
The whales were dividing his money to the various coins and it may also have a very big amount of stable coins.
that's why that site was not relevant. the whales were very active on the centralized exchange site dude.

You can be pretty sure that whales are manipulating the crypto market just as they manipulate every market that exist out there on this planet. I even think that the crypto market is way easier to manipulate then the other more traditional financial market that exist. The reason for that is quite simple, the total marketcap of all cryptos combined is still relatively low compared to for example the stock market and the price movements of every crypto altcoin that exist is still connected to the price movement of bitcoin. So if one big whale decides to dump their Bitcoins it still has the potential to move the whole crypto market into a downward spiral.

The cryptocurrency market is completely unregulated and there is no regulatory authority. So, there are more frequent signs of market manipulation. That is why, it is very important for beginners to distinguish natural market movements from direct interventions, so as not to get in touch with market manipulators.

whales manipulate the market i believe almost always since the birth of bitcoin and crypto currencies they come together in groups and make immense transactions mainly on bitcoin but also on some altcoins by manipulating the market for their own gain, this thing in reality should be contained in some way

It is very normal for cryptocurrencies to be irregular. This market arises from the absence of a central authority, which is open to irregularities and manipulation. Whales always act together and make very good profits, small investors like us make individual transactions, but whales always trade in the market in an integrated manner with each other.

Unfortunately, it is, because it is everywhere, not only in the cryptocurrency market, but also in other markets, always big players decide whether the market will fall or whether the market will grow, and therefore it is the whales who constantly decide what the cryptocurrency market will do and with this there is nothing to be done, therefore, it is simply not necessary to pay attention to this and we just need to move on, and indeed anyone who has been in the cryptocurrency sphere for a long time has already understood that whales in the cryptocurrency market completely decide everything.

All the time, the whales influence the market.Their are many wallet, but only few are trusted wallet in the market.Some trusted wallet are trust, localbitcoin, Localcrypto.So you can created a account in this for the safety of the money. Some of the fake exchange in the market.

Yeah, they did. It's proven by the existence of pump and dump scheme, with owning huge amounts of funds on the hands no wonder if they take advantage of it to get some profits for them.

I guess those lists above are not completely related to the whales, there might be some whales there but I believe most of them are Bitcoin enthusiasts who HODL it tightly.
Additionally, as far as I know generally whales movements are using stable coins or altcoins

thanks for the news, but it boosted the market price with at least the coin being spread to the public

It's no longer a secret that the whales are manipulating and that list that you've shown, most of the wallets that has a lot of bitcoins. They are coming from the exchanges and those are likely from the cold storage. The common strategy that the whales do are making some sort of news that will spread FUD to the people and then they're the ones that will buy those discounted bitcoins that have been sold due to the fear and panic that they've done.

Since crypto market grew big market players manipulate the whole market to take profit from weak hands. Everyone is aware of it and some are just riding with the whales. Even stock market are manipulated by rich people. They sell the news and spread FUD to manipulate the market. Even tweets by Elon is now driving the market.

Yes, that's right, the cryptocurrency market is an international market in digital currencies, so all of that is not without manipulation in the market, but a better market development in the cryptocurrency market. However, the cryptocurrency market, there are many ruthless competitors in a project, as well as beginners who are busy wanting to join an existing market or project, and don't be fooled by an existing project, pay attention first before taking a good step.

There are a lot of whales surrounding the market and those that are big players that will make fud and when the market dumps, they are the ones who will take advantage first and buy those cheap coins as much as they want. They are mostly the rich people that will always wanted to control the market so they can always buy crypto coins as many as they want and continue manipulating the market.

Market manipulation isn't new to us and so investors are already used to it. If they can invest in those high potential coins like bitcoin and ethereum, market manipulation can't stop them from reaching new heights everytime these coins start to surge.

If there's manipulation happening here, that beyond our control because there's no regulations on cryptocurrency that could prevent it. Whales could use their money to create hype and buy bitcoins at bigger amounts. They could make the price rapidly increase, but we need to be careful on that stage of ongoing rise because that will suddenly drop when they'll going to take their profit.

Bitcoin used to be manipulated heavily much much less now.  The volume is just too much for one person or even one group at this point to move the needle.  Can they, yes.  Do they probably not now.  Now for alts oh completely.  Pretty much everything is still manipulated for low caps.  They are trading toys for people.

Of course, this is literally that's why they exist. There is still no regulation in the markets, so a whale can manipulate small-scale stock markets as it wishes and earn income. Let them be whales, they are not so harmful once you watch their waves.  :P

Its just a wallet rich distribution, its just a information not all the information we need to know. Also a whales can have more than a wallet, so its possible someone have a huge amount of BTC and divide it to some wallets. Also, not only whales who did manipulation, huge investor who want to entry the market usually do manipulation too for having a lower entry.

Whales of course do manipulate the market when the opportunity calls, I mean who wouldn't?, if you are a whale of a coin and you find an opportunity where manipulating the market is required for you to gain some really good profit, I bet you would, but then market manipulation is very easy with crypto cus the industry is still very young, a time is coming when the crypto market will be so so big that it would be near impossible for it to be manipulated.

Those who have a lot of money can certainly do anything as well as in crypto, whales freely manipulate the market and I see some whales are also very fond of fudding

Yeah, they can somewhat manipulate the market and have some influence. They can do it directly and indirectly. You will sometimes see the market crashes a little as soon as a whale moves his coins. When he moves it to an exchange, the market dips more. They can also manipulate by dumping their coins, causing the price to fall and then buy again, causing the price to rise. Whatever they do, the affect of the manipulation is short lived. As more people starts to invest in bitcoin, we won't be seeing such manipulation in the future.

Even now you can witness few hundred thousands of bitcoins are moved in one or two transactions which leads to the bullish or bearish trend later but I agree that manipulation power is less now compared to the past and at some point there will be no whales since they are keep diluting their funds every time when they try to manipulate the market.

Yes, whales are manipulating the market, you could see it when Elon was tweeting. He bought, tweeted about it, price rose, he sold, tweeted about it, price fell, he probably bought more or just did it for fun because he had already made money on that move so there was no risk.

OP's address list doesn't say anything about manipulation. Big addresses are usually owned by exchanges.

Huge investors or early adaptors of crypto especially Bitcoin drives the whole market. People gets alarmed when hugr funds are transferred from or to a cold wallet to an exchange.People watch for news and update to see how the market will go. Some of this news are fabricated to shake thw market. Whales always win over small investors by letting them sell for losses when they panic during the crash.  They create news and cause panic for their own convenience.

We all know that this market has always been, the price and control of it from the whales is undeniable. Maybe with the current cap we can be happy that it is a lot different from before, but to be honest it is still very small compared to other markets.

In fact, yes they do. And there are many whales in the crypto market and each of them may have different preferences to manipulate the market. ANd see who wins the manipulation. Combined with supported FUD spreading, the manipulation may be also easier. Moreover, in some cases, the whales may have related to the market exchanges so that they can really give influence to the market price and cap.

Investors called whales are not only present in the cryptocurrency market. It is available on all known exchange platforms. As for your question, yes, investors who hold a large amount of investment can manipulate the market as they wish. In fact, not only whales, but even well-known and phenomenal people can manipulate it. The best example of this is Elon Musk, who manipulated the market as he wanted, using both the power of his money and his fame. In short, those who have money can do whatever they want.

The market cannot be manipulated , this only comes to reality once the people react from the manipulating strategy of the whales.

Example they sold all their coin that will start the value to drop badly , if we panicked and sell our coins also then that will be the domino effect and the whales successfully manipulated the market.

But if we will not react and just let them sell their coin  then we are safe from their target and surely they will buy back again for the reason of failure .

Wallets with just a few BTC in them are probably owned by a single person who is also trying to accumulate from the market. If you are a whale too I guess it would make sense for you to try making more money out of your money.

I'm wondering if they would also be doing it to the futures market like manipulating the price to go down because they bet the price to dip.

Those are just records of proportions of Bitcoin and a summary of how many people are holding it.
We can't tell if those are whales or just holders who had been keeping their coins for a long time up until now.

But about your question, yes, whales do manipulate the market and it may not be with bitcoin but altcoins.
A good example is Elon Musk trying to manipulate Dogecoin. You may want to avoid those kinds as it gives higher risks if suddenly that bagholder decided to switch to something better to toy with.

the information provided is only related to the percentage and number of bitcoin holders. whales could have a large number of their bitcoins in multiple addresses. but we don't know if it's a bitcoin holder with an active address or an address that can't be accessed by the owner.

but indeed whales with large investment values can manipulate the crypto market. they use bitcoin as well as altcoins. we know how fundamental bitcoin is in the crypto market. even the slightest movement can affect the market, as well as the altcoin market.
now what often happens is that FOMO is created in the crypto market. the news on social media creates hype in the market. the whale has not played its part. if they are already playing the crypto market, it will be very easy to fall and get back up again.

The cryptocurrency affects all currencies in the market and investors suffer greatly as a result of market manipulation no one can accurately tell the difference in the price of coins for whales. Prices start to rise but over time they fall to avoid the effects of these whales you need to search the market and choose the right time.

.....and there it goes that other people will panic upon their trap set.
I can imagine that a lot of plummet in price of Bitcoin was purely whales trap and not just that Elon Musk crap that everybody believes that it caused the price to plummet. ::)

Most of whales are targeting the market by affecting it from retailers' psychology such as spreading fud and that could very well affect the market despite the ever growing market capitalization.
Moreover if they succesfully making people in state of fear, the panic seller could be a lot bigger since as you know, the recent bullrun has attracted many new comers and whether the market manipulation is rather small compared to other market
we don't know but the thing is, a lot of crypto market are unregulated ones. which can be good and bad.

This is possible if all traders is an investors but the majority of traders in cryptocurrency are swing/day traders that's the price always volatile everytime some major news occur because they don't want to be trapped for a long time compared when they cut-loss or take profit already for a short period of time. Cryptomarket need a consistent organic huge volume to diminished volatility. The majority volume of exchange are from bot wash trading.

It's no secret that whales with all their abilities are capable of doing many things including manipulating the market, but whales here are not just individuals, they can also be groups. Market panic is the target for whales, and usually it always happens so the whales will get richer and small players will be more disadvantaged because of the whales.

Rich people call the shots.

This is a fact, whether we want to accept it or not. As a rich person one can do whatever that pleases one with one's wealth. I don't frown at hodlers with massive stach disposing their coins as and when due. It's their right. If anyone feels that whales manipulate the market because they sell at a particular time, then that will be wrong. Except if the holdler does what Elon Musk does with his supportive or fudding tweets from time to time so he could get in cheap or sell off high, this one I find manipulative. Don't forget that the same way people hodl Bitcoin in large quantities is the same way most of us hodl certain altcoins too, only that these altcoins may not worth much ATM. They could become valuable in future and a lot of others who don't have them will begin to cry foul when we sell. There's nothing wrong as a trader if you want to sell off to buy back when there's indication that the token could crash or dump from technical analysis. Nothing wrong with that. I don't think it's whales' fault that the market dumps whenever they sell.

What is that possibility?  Decentralization is the promise of opening a circle of balance, although, something can happen when billions of dollars are minted into bitcoin, it has the potential to be on the verge of FUD and the data just shows up.  The proofs are modified and the phenomena distort the real values! Lol

Its not a new issue anymore, whales can manipulate the market by spreading FUD so they will buy for cheaper price.

They're smart and wise compared to an average investors/traders who are only counting for the market movement.

Whales can work as a team and has concrete plan on when to buy and sell their assets, this way they can maximize their profit. Seems like the future can be predicted on their hands when it comes to prices of the coins.

Yes, that's clear, what you are feeling now, but it is necessary to first observe why this market manipulation is happening now, whether it's because of individual whales or groups that are in power, not necessarily all of that happens, because there are still many fish. little observant in this regard.

they manipulate because they want to profit . maybe you mean is we need to figure out first why the market is falling because there could be other reasons for the fall not just manipulation caused by whales .
 manipulation or not , we can calm down and understand the technology behind the coin that we invest  .  their value could go down but they can recover and grow more bigger in the future

Sure, whales can manipulate the market, but I don’t think we should really be relying on all these websites to tell us how much that whales own and how many they don’t. There is no site that can give you accurate on things like this, so there is no need to be relying on them. One person here can decide to own more than one wallet, and you won’t be able to tell if they are the one or not, because there is no way prove that.

These so called whales you don’t know how much they own in the market, and nobody knows. But one thing for sure is that they can manipulate the market in one way or the other to put things in their favor.

it's not only a small scale market but when you are seeing the whales on binance and these whales can create a collusion to manipulate the big market. There are some big market that got manipulated by the whales even the whales can also manipulate the bitcoin market as well. The whales have been playing various market. The whales were also actively pumping the shitcoin and that's it.
All of the suspicious pump already created by the whales to fool the newbies and newcomers. Whales were playing in all scales of market.

Indeed, by optimizing and enhancing their existing advantages in a great way, the futures of the market are volatile according to their different ways of placing their hands, some people may think this is a new thing but manipulation mode has been completely available since the crypto market started, we need this mode to deliver dream prices. When we don't know, the processing will be quite troublesome but for now, with such a scenario, I believe that investors are not short of some relevant, familiar answers beyond necessity

I personally believe that if the market is manipulated by whales, they can easily steer the market as they see fit but what I do know is that they will profit from every bad decision made by small investors.
If you can control your emotions when  whale act, it's not impossible that your investment can be profitable.

Interesting website. Well, I think when whales want to manipulate the market, it's impossible to escape, but what would be nice to know is who is a whale nowadays? I feel that the amount of BTC per person has decreased and the amount of BTC by institutions has naturally increased, I don't have evidence of this feeling, but that's what it looks like. In the past, some people were able to impact the market, today these same people would hardly have this ability. The market is more professional too.

This is true, those who have the money can manipulate the market especially if the whales together to pump or dump the market, small investors will pay for the price of that action. Whales are doing it to earn more money and become more big whales, that’s how rich people stays rich. We can ride with the whales but it’s too hard to know their strategy, they can pump and dump at no time so be ready for every possibility.

they do manipulate the market but to a certain level. there is a certainty that most whales got liquidated at some point because no one controls the market. Also, Not all whales are equal. some has more funds than others. the large whales might has some certain control but on one Is above mistake and they might loose there funds if they fail to follow normal TAs and FA.

such chart will not give you substantial conclusion, and for coins with high market cap, that's hard to manipulate especially bitcoin. whales may somehow influence but it will not give a very significant movement in the market.
it may be true to some coins with small market cap, as small injection of funds will give a tremendous movement in their market. but with btc, this is hard to manipulate, unless, those big holders will agree what to do with their funds, but i don't think such scenario will happen.

Take the example of Elon with his another tweet.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1410529698497630212
Look, with such following, likes and replies on that tweet. There's no doubt that he can manipulate the market for whichever cryptocurrency that he might chose to shill. But most of the time, he's with Dogecoin and now it's rare that he tweets something beautiful about bitcoin.
Nevertheless, they can manipulate it at any way that they can do. Like investing with billions of their fund, using social media platforms, putting it on the news and etc.

There's always a bigger whale.  I remember back in ~2012 when pirate@40 was running his "bank" that later turned out to be a ponzi scheme, he was always bragging about being able to control the market.  He was highly successful at doing so and keeping his ponzi alive until a bigger whale took notice (the guys at bitpay) and squeezed the hell out of him, costing him his manipulating and gutting his ponzi scheme.  

Rather than follow whales into trades of shitcoins to risk your funds to try and profit, don't you think a better idea might be to just find legitimately undervalued useful coins and invest while trying to help build the infrastructure of said coins?

What u said its manipulation, its usually didnt do as simple as that, they sold and create fud news to makes people follow their trap.
Its hard to resist not to follow them if entire market follows. But you true, if we didnt trapped, they will only play with themself and hurts huge trading fee.

whales prepare everything well and with media connection they could spread anything bad or positive rumors . with huge source and even unlimited they could manipulated market. the only way only follow how whales playing, if they sell follow it and if they buy it follow it. dont ever againtrs the trend.

Somewhat yes. Their actions can influence the market at a certain level. People tend to follow the whales because it's hard to resist. Everyone is doing it so you'll follow. Do your own research and don't just hop on the train like everyone else.

Obviously yes, unfortunately the whales strongly manipulate the market when they sell they make the price go down but fortunately when they buy they make the price go up.

whales can do everything because they have big capital to change the market direction. That is why it is important to read the crypto news daily so that all us as small and medium crypto traders and users have the idea when would be the time to make profit and make investments into the right coin.

but to follow the trend made by whales is not easy. they set everything up like a trap. they create hype quickly but trap some people who don't realize it. as well as whales with large funds that can make the market fall quickly when they have got what they want.
Following the hype of whales is fun, but it's very risky.

Absolutely, Should  Elon Musk tell that he invest in a project, the project will grow incredibly fast. That means that all the influencers can turn the market in any sight. Also, I noticed when the market is bearish a lot of media creating articles about regulations, the red flags for crypto, and so on. Someone investing huge funds in it to control hamsters minds.

Don't worry Your Elon Musk is starting losing his appeal and day after day the followers are losing support on everything he wrote .
and besides the recent tweets of this person comes low followed and the reaction in market is really small not like in the past specially when Tesla first accepts bitcoin as payment option.
also there are chance that even altcoins will never be on His side soon.

I agree with both of you. The whales can do everything, but you should remember that the whales can not do that thing forever because their reason is just to make money. If we can follow the whales, we can also make money. If you think it is difficult to follow the whales, you can watch them while you can prepare for the next thing that might happen. That will be better than you force follows the whale's moves.

I think some of them does but others are only doing what they want and people are only following them.
We don't know if they are manipulating or just doing what they want when they do something,
For example selling some of their crypto we don't really know if they really need the Fiat or just wants to create a wave to dump the price.

if true, I'm not sure those 1000 people are real owners with ownership of 1 address for each person. because isn't it very possible that everyone has more than 1 address to store their BTC?
someone with great power could of course make the market move easily. Surely you have heard news related to BTC which can finally be unlocked from a wallet that has been locked for a long time. and then the BTC is sold to the market which makes the market very easily experience a big dump.

In deed, Whales manipulate crytpto market and it is happening so since 2015 , they use famous tactic of Pump and Dump because there are no regulations to prevent it and the other reason is its market cap is not as big as Forex or commodity market so easy for person with few hundred Bitcoins to play with the market as he likes. You can see many Flash Crash on charts, the scenarios happen when whale sells huge amount in a single order.

Whales are doing their job and that is to manipulate the market and rid those who follow them. They are actually making money as they want. Commonly, we've thought that manipulation is a crime but wait, many were benefiting from such a crime and the community is happy especially when whales do the dump.

Then to ask, when bullish and when bearish? It is actually the community asking for the whales to act what they want. And it is simple, the whales are playing some tricks with us. Well, those who could adjust the volatility of the market, will never complain, unlike the others.

There's no wondering anymore, the answer is plain and simple; YES.
Why do they do it? Usually for their own gain.

When you know you can cause a dip and a bounce, you basically have free money

I think it's quite obvious that they can manipulate the market and they have manipulated it so far. Because they own a great deal of coins. Whenever they buy or sell a huge amount, it affects the price of the coin directly.

Manipulation is left for the big boys who own larger funds of the cryptocurrency market. It is easier to manipulate the market especially crypto if you have big share in the market just like Elon Musk, controlling the market would be very easy pumping coin into the market making it weak to fall coupled to social media influence which can trigger investors to buy more of a particular coin increasing it market cap and surging of the coin price.

This is why a lot of people hate him already. Though I respect the guy for the inventions he made, but he just keeps turning people's head around and can't just shut up and buy without tweeting it.
I don't care what he thinks of any meme coins or even Bitcoin. I would buy when I want to.

There are big investors who have invest quite a lot of dollar fund into bitcoin and some selected altcoin like ethereum polkadot etc.  These people can move the market at will. It is important to be aware of their move and study their in and out of the market.  Their actions or inaction will definitely influenced direction of the market and price!

Whales can indeed operate in the market, especially when there is a concentration of chips in certain currencies. It will bring panic to retail investors and cause some retail and large investors to blindly follow the trend, resulting in a decline in the market and affecting the market. When a large amount of money flows into the market , There will also be a large number of retail investors blindly following the trend to drive capital into the market.

Yes and they are doing it for a long time already.

The total market cap of the stock market is x50 or even higher than the crypto market and yet we can still see some market manipulation like what happened in AMC and GameStop.
A market with a market cap of only a trillion dollar is very easy to manipulate especially for those whales. Whales are doing this for the sake of money and there are some who gained profit from this too because they got the opportunity to ride the wave.

After all, we can't do anything with this but to accept it. Year by year, the market cap is slowly increasing but it will take a long time before whales can't manipulate the market or worse they can manipulate this market anytime they want too :D.

Whales still can manipulate the market. The market is easily affected when big amount of selling or buying happens. And I really don't know if this will change in the future and the market will become immune to these incidents too. But I don't think that it will change. Because it is related to demand in the end. When even one person buys a lot of coins, the market is affected positively as the demand increases.

We asked, " Do whales manipulate the market"? They come and join crypto for a reason just like what we did.
I have money and I can make use of this to manipulate the market and gain profit. That is the whales.

Hearing such words MANIPULATION is not a new thing in crypto coz they are here in the market a long time ago and their existence makes the market so volatile. Many are getting mad because of manipulation, well, maybe we should but we can neither stop them. Actually, they are part of the crypto community and they have the right to do what they want as long as it never ruins the market image.

Every market has a whale or group of whales that can and will manipulate the market to gain profit, these rich people became whales for nothing they did this on purpose so they can manipulate the market, one of the prominent whales right now who is creating FUD in the market  is Elon Musk, even in Cryptocurrency trading and investing are not fair and we the small fish have to go with the flow.

Let's think about people in general. When a lot of people start buying or selling a great deal of Bitcoin or some other coins, the price starts being affected in some way. That's the same when it comes to whales also. They own a lot of coins. Whenever they decide to do similar things, the market reacts to those actions.

Whales are the common reason why there's a bump and dump in the market because they're the only one as well that have a big contribution on the growth rate that's why they can easily manipulate the market. Wherein it's not because of those people who trade in my opinion because they can't swing the market easily, unless if there's a fuds that can convince a lot of traders to dump and can cause panic selling at the same time because it's possible to happen..

So you understand what manipulation and control is, I've seen a few influential individuals who have impacted this market. Or like the bans from the government, in fact, this market is still very small and not strong enough to not be affected by whales.

Crypto is the power of money, as long as you have money you can control the price, and I'm not surprised if the whales control the price, and I don't think this is a problem as long as we make a profit from it.

eventhough whales have  huge fund  in market  but they could beaten by retail traders power too. no one could survive while the againts the trend and whales will be the victim and squeezed. We have important lesson from Gamestop in stock market, and it possible happen to cryptocurrency market. just look at how China fud market many times but market still alive today.

If you do not have a deposit that allows you to influence the price in the glass, you will have to always take into account the levels of the desired purchase/sale of coins by whales in your trading strategy. And as a rule, whales are opposed by the same whales, with the same goal of obtaining a profit.

I hope that was clear to everyone. We are not against the whale's participation as they are also the same as wanting to make money in here. The Crypto market is big enough that everything will be controlled and manipulated by whales that is why they have to create groups to make their wants become possible (pump and dump group). If we are not careful dealing with these groups, we are simply making ourselves get caught with their traps.

It is so simple, stay away from the signal group but instead to make your won destiny in crypto.

It has been happening for such a long time. Whales have been manipulating the market and we should be aware of that. However, it isn't something that we should afraid of but rather an opportunity for us to gain a good profit as they manipulate the prices. As traders and investors, we should just go and deal with the market flow no matter how whales would play with the market.

this can happen in the crypto world by manipulating the market, for example, they buy in large quantities with the money they currently have, with this, the price will rise, but we also have to be careful if one day the price is too high. will decline in a period of time that we cannot predict.as happened to the previous decline in the price of bitcoin bitcoin

Whales have the highest amount of coins.It's sure that whales are manipulating the crypto market . Especially cryptocurrency market is completely unregulated .Whales control the market easily.

besides having a lot of capital, I think by having a large community they can launch their activities to pump up the market, by spreading news that is full of hope. it is at this time that we as small fish must be good at using time so as not to be affected by a sudden drop in prices, and if we are late then it is not impossible that our psychology will be disturbed

Of course whales manipulate the market. They can drive prices up, they can cause them to remain steady, and they can tank them.

This happens in stocks, crypto, real estate, everything.

The whales  have unlimited amount of bitcoin so it's sure they control the market easily.

whales will continue to manipulate the market at any time because indeed they have controlled the market for a long time they can sell their assets and change the market for the worse and at any time can make the market worse it has been several years that made the market so bad and there were bears long market you can see this year so fast the market goes up so high and the decline is also fast it makes bitcoin prices go up fast and fall fast it's very risky if you buy at the wrong time.

This has already happened in 2014. Judging from the recent situation, it is clear that whales manipulate the market in order to bring them huge profits. What Musk did had a great impact on the market. Don't be affected by the panic in the market, because after their operations, most of them are retail investors, and they are most affected.

It's true that the current market is very difficult, especially for beginners,
if you look at the current conditions it looks like the market is bearish, many coins have fallen,
with conditions like this maybe we can use it to buy some potential coins

Whales have been manipulating the market for a long time. We saw the last example of this today. Volume is very low in the market right now and whales are enjoying it. I think we should patiently wait for the bottom of the market.

They don't have to wonder, only newbies believe that there is no manipulation in the market, there's a lot of manipulation from the smallest coin to the biggest coin in the market, volume, hype, and the price attracts new investors, they have to keep manipulating the coin where they are the bag holders so they can keep up with their standing.

Likely, we live in a market where manipulation is not prohibited. If you have huge amount money, you can do something with it but I was thinking also that whales can't move the market alone, they also have allies to work on this. However, this will add attraction to the market as people seeing the market can move high, they think about the chance that they become a millionaire someday here in crypto. It might happen and might happen that this crypto market will give us losses as well.

Yes, in general the whales do have high power in manipulating the market, but everyone always wants profit for themselves through the work they want to do because it is a common instinct that exists in every human being including whales.

so for us or anyone who comes to the crypto market with as little capital as possible to be able to follow the signals given by the whales in the market or through their several channels.
sometimes we think a signal is just nonsense, but some give a good signal.
however, while most whales come on long-term momentum, not many play for short-term assets.

Considering the growing number of whales and the amount of holding they have, it is not far from happening that they are just manipulating the market nowadays. Once they reunite, they can surely dictate the rise and fall of a certain coin that's why it is important that we study how they are trying to play with the market. Through that we can guarantee that we'll be able to benefit still as we commit on trying to beat them at their own game. We can't just feel bad about it, instead we should strategize so that we can still end up winning regardless of their doings.

There is no doubt that the answer is definitely yes. First of all, let’s first understand that there are several types of people in the market: giant whales, retail investors, institutions, and long-term holders. Assuming that all funds are a fixed number, then all the problems will end. That is, how to redistribute funds and people with high energy will have different ways to control the market trend and obtain their benefits. Don't think about it, there is a game of various interests all the time, here is a battlefield without gunsmoke.

whales work not alone , they will work together to shake cryptocurrency market. With cummulative assets which is very huge and have other resources to support their action , it could be very easy for them make us panic. Not only using their money , they will use media to support and creating fud in market to their goal will achieved.

Exchanges holds a huge amount of money and can be consider as whales so technically, whales are indeed manipulating the market depends on the market sentiment. If there’s a hype, then they’ll pump it but if there’s a fud expect those whales to sell big time until the market becomes cheaper again. Whales will always be a whale who always play with money in favor to then, we should learn by now how to ride with them.

Asking the question if whales manipulate the market is just like asking do you have to drink water every day when you know you have to drink water to fuel the body, help the digestive enzymes to aid digestion.
However, this always a big person that manipulates the market, and this is what always happens in every market, not in crypto alone.

exchanges could not sell their customer asset in balance as they want , this is will totally violate the law and ofcourse they have to face regulator due this accident. as i know whales was not exchanges, but a person or group of traders that have huge sources to manipulate market. they will follow hype , but they will create it till we trapped in their scenario.

Do humans use air everyday? Of course they manipulating, they are whales its their point of trading

Whales have the power to manipulate the market to a certain point likewise news either good or bad have the power to affect the market too, the thing is whales want profits too meaning no matter how rich they get they are never satisfied, you should know that Elon musk is now a crypto whale too, the more we have people like him in crypto space the more easier it gets to manipulate the market

I don't think there's anything to do with this site and the whales. When conditions and situations are not good, I'm sure there will be various kinds of information that will make us even more anxious.

Certainly yes! most of the whales are manipulating the market. That is why this rich people have an advantage to take profit
here in this field of business industry in cryptocurrency. And they are obviously the manipulator as well to control the price too in all
the exchange site platform.

Perhaps, they have the reason why they live in crypto. Manipulation can be resulting in bad or good, disadvantages or advantages.
We sometimes can say that manipulation ruins the market but instead, this helps people to make money out of the volatility of the market and helps the market to get known to everyone.
But if you are unlucky and miss the train, you will end up losing.

Technically, whales can shake the market but for a whole manipulation to happen, it needs everyone's cooperation so what they do is to trigger something, either uptrend, and downtrend, and that's it.

Bitcoin might be heavily manipulated before but today, we can see that it's not the case. The downtrend happened because others follow the speculations. It's not totally controlled by someone or some groups. It's just that, they triggered something to shake the market.

For low cap coins, we can say that these are heavily manipulated since there are lots of bagholders. They can shake the market just by doing a large buy and sells without the need for other's participation.

Knowing the updated information of the market it is much easier to understand the manipulation of whales. Newcomers are more vulnerable because they have less knowledge about the market invests without doing market analysis to make more profit.

we know that.. for those who have capital is a guarantee to be able to dominate the market and this is a real law in any case ... does the pope maneuver the market by manipulating it ... I think it is very certain because you will not be satisfied with the results that are not optimal

Of course the whales have the power to influence and manipulate the market whenever the see fit, they have the means to accumulate big bag of btc which is enough to influence the price, otherwise i don't see why the crypto space will be experience such price dump immediately a big, so definitely whales plays a vital role in this aspect.

because it is the whales who make the market stable. they buy and own large amounts of assets. and what is certain is that the whales do retain their assets in the long term.
with very large asset holdings, of course, they have the ability to manipulate the market. lower the price to buy cheaper. and then make adoption increase and sell when the price reaches a new ATH.

Manipulation causes literally that. Whales selling and buying to "speculate" is something else, whereas whales manipulating means they try to make you buy or sell as well, me or you (I assume) we are not whales but they put out news and other stuff that makes it look bad for example, and then we all end up selling and that is the thing. That is why we are talking about whales manipulating, as long as manipulation is something like this, then there is nothing small investors like us can do.

At the end of the day we should not be shocked that whales are capable of doing that, spending about 20-30 thousand dollars means you could show absolutely the WHOLE crypto world any news you want, so you could "leak" a bad thing to whole world by paying that, causing prices to fall, and you may end up having 1 million dollars on short futures profiting tens of millions.

I think whales not manipulated the market but give effect with thousand or hundred investor panic and take new position when good whales news, almost true happening when any new whale about good or bad news. You can check when got whales about bitcoin transfers from one wallet to exchange make bitcoin price dump, but you have to start buy position when got whales about thousand hundred USDT transfer from wallet to exchange like Binance or Huobi.

right, besides that by having a lot of followers I think they will be easy to get them to be in tune with their thoughts. this happened just like Elon's behavior this year, he seemed to easily influence many bitcoiners, even new investors to participate in fomo, and finally he threw away his ownership and switched to memecoin, that's where we can understand the greatness of whales

there are no regulations governing ownership tax and others do take ownership of an unlimited number of crypto assets very possible.
even some whales that come usually keep their assets in several wallets. they have enough coins that they can make the market move with their abilities.
buy when it's cheap which makes the price go up. then sell when it goes up which results in a decline. We have seen situations like this many times before. especially in meme assets, they move very quickly. some get rich quickly but some are quick to lose.

I don't think it's easy to manipulate the market, but this potential continues to be carried out by irresponsible people, as a result the market is increasingly chaotic and out of control.
Aren't the written rules so clear and don't ever try to break them?

Why does this keep happening, isn't the strict supervision already a deterrent effect, I wonder why these people don't think about other people, wasting time in useless places is a decline in thinking.

In my opinion, stricter supervision is needed, so that irresponsible people do not do anything arbitrarily, the effect of their treatment is not very good for the market.

If this data is true of course they are easy to manipulate prices, this is certainly sad because crypto which is supposed to be decentralized but easy for whales to manipulate, there is nothing we can do but just hope they pump bitcoin again so the market rises again.

Obviously yes, unfortunately the whales strongly manipulate the market when they sell they make the price go down but fortunately when they buy they make the price go up.

Whales can and will manipulate the market majority to their favor . But this is not as often as you can imagine. There are several factors also to be consider as the what extent of price sacrificial would be to achieve gains in manipulations.

It is common, which happens blatantly, not even a few people lose because of this manipulation, we ourselves are very upset about it, trying to avoid it by keeping up with market movements, because it is important knowledge in trading.

I think it always be, bitcoin price was so cheap 10 years ago and i'm sure there are several whales are holding bunch of them in seperated wallets. So the price could be easily manipulated. This kind of condition is common in crypto, if we want to survive, just make a long time investment on a strong fundamental coins

True its more of influencing the market rather than manipulating it, if the coin is low in trading volume or market cap then maybe its possible but that also requires capital that could be risky, the whales instead influence the market through news etc,  and that secure capital while also could have big impact. I doubt anyone would spend big capital just to move market to their favor.

Not only do whales manipulate the price, but they also make this system more centralized, as when the whole power is in the hands of one participant of the market he can control it.

Fortunately, devs are trying to fight against whales. I am talking about different defi-projects. There are different limits like canceling transactions for those who are trying to buy or sell a big sum of native tokens. So devs may create something similar to all tokens soon. On the other hand, it will still be possible that whales buy from many wallets, but we will see.

I think not any whales can manipulated the market price because whale give all information about bitcoin transaction depend with bitcoin, altcoin and usdt sending from one wallet to other wallet, now have whales about future position when got liquid, use long or short position. I think depend with trader self how to faced with whales because when big whales like bitcoin transaction sending become the way for short opening position.

whales always manipulate market in order to gain maximum profits from retail traders. with their huge money had , whales have cooporation with other group and make deal will shake the market and let weakhand sell their bitcoin cheaply to them.  It is many times did by them and we have understand with actually whales have done to market.

yes, that's what I mentioned that they can manipulate the market to seek profit for themselves and the group they build. on the other hand I think it will have an impact on the token being developed, but most of what I see it will have a negative impact.

To be honest, i believe that there are some people who can control market either with news or maybe directly control with pump and dump in market especially altcoin markets. Usually we can see sometimes a coin can be pumped without any good news or update from the coin itself and it is just happen instantly. I think it can be considered like whale control market.

in instance, yes its possible. Since they could move a huge amount of crypto that could affect the market stability and prices.
they can dictate how much would they wanted for a token since they can buy or dump a huge amount.

These days we can see more of the influence than manipulation. This is based on the market variation happening in correspondence to the acts of popular faces. In recent days Elon Musk is much into the cryptospace and has influenced it big. Now his positive act on bitcoin makes the market bullish and vice versa. Like this we can connect the growth of the network with different popular faces of the past.

what they often do is like that, but not all suffer losses when they do, there are also traders who benefit because they manipulate the market and it will not last long.

it's actually not that easy. the whales in the market are also waiting for a good moment to start their market manipulation. sometimes they work with influencers or they themselves actually provide the signal in their channel group.
although whales with huge money, they also need a lot of followers to be able to generate some sentiment in the market.

I think yes since they have a lot of Bitcoin. They could send it to another wallets and then try to manipulate the price. Although they won't do that always because sometimes there is a right timing. Wrong timing to manipulate the market would be not effective. Whales can trigger small Bitcoin holders so they will sell the token and then the whales will eat them all.

I think there is no need for them to have a number of followers as these whales can manipulate the market if they want. Well, that timing might be a need for them and sometimes they take advantage of the FUDs and started to manipulate the mind of the people. But I doubted that they always succeed, maybe they also suffer losses just like us. However, if we think the risk that they are doing, I can say that they are taking more than for us a causal investors and traders.

Yeah they do all the time, and it's all done to set themselves up for some super cheap coins from the panicking and weak hands.
Without manipulation these whales wouldn't be in the market neither would markets be pumped by them.
So in the end As much as manipulation may sound like a bad thing it also works in our as price goes up during this manipulation process.

You'll never see the typical list of bitcoin holders. What's out in the public are those huge amounts of bitcoin holders which are commonly owned and stored by the biggest exchanges.
(https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html)
That's the list and you might get to see who are in the top 100 and if there are some whales that are individual, we will never know who they are. Unless they speak to the public and admit it with proof but I don't think it will ever happen.

Since there is no authority in the market so it would be manipulated. Those who are little investor they have to think carefully before take any trade.
We should think that the market gets quick run or get much higher due to the appearance of the whales . I thinks this is a positive aspect for the market. Whales means investors, more whales, more investors and awareness is up to you.

For this matter it's not really our area to start a conversation, but I would like to say, that for a pope class person it is impossible to do such an act, it would be very influential if done so.

We can't properly prove the source you provided, if I look at the website you provided, there is no solid evidence to justify it, but I'm sure this is impossible for the pope to do, considering his influence is currently at stake.

They are not called whales for no reason, and where some will be calm with the market others might be brutal thus manipulation of different forms, some pull down the market only to buy low and pumps it again to be in massive profits. That is actually the reason why most times, you need to be careful of the way you follow most newer projects with that idea of pump and dump, in fact investing in crypto demands you use funds you can afford because everyone is after their own profit.
Also, this manipulation of a thing, affects coins in different ways, and how good the coin is, will determine how the long term holding will be, that is, coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum have many whales, they can shake off weak hands to get profits but since they are good coins holding long term always favours. So in other words, being a whale sort of gives power to Influence the market.

All opportunities will be taken advantage of by big investors in making investments, if these opportunities can be accommodated properly in carrying out market scenarios, an investor is unlikely to take big steps if he does not fulfill the opportunity for profit.

There is a possibility, as people have asked, that whales manipulate the market, this is done to provide personal gain for him, moreover the source of wallet information you provide is so complete with the site, this possibility is much more true if you look at the source.

Thats true, most of trader will probably follow the same market analysis and making the same move and maybe that could be taken advantage of by the whales.
Its the same when there is sudden drop of price people will also panic selling because they think the market will go down even deeper making the price drop gets continued by the panic traders therefore making the market move so fast and very suddenly.

Almost all of this week's topics talk about whale manipulation of the market, there are various comments we hear from people, but I don't think all of them do that, even though the veracity of the posts is 80% real.

Indeed, if we glimpse it is true that the pope manipulates the market for personal gain, but whether this risk does not have a major impact on his personality compared to doing so, I think the whale is doing the same thing as Elon Musk's speculation yesterday on seeking his profit.

The popes who use large amounts of capital when buying any coin, of course, will always have an influence on every action he takes, whether it's selling or buying, both will have the same effect on the market.

Sure, whales can manipulate the market, but I don’t think we should really be relying on all these websites to tell us how much that whales own and how many they don’t. There is no site that can give you accurate on things like this, so there is no need to be relying on them. One person here can decide to own more than one wallet, and you won’t be able to tell if they are the one or not, because there is no way prove that.

There is no doubt that whales manipulate the market. They can easily pump and dump altcoins with their big capitals and also some of them are popular influencers, for example, Elon Musk, so they can influence people's opinions and decisions about altcoins. Many people have a strategy of buying something on news that a whale is going to enter this coin.

In my opinion, since there is no central authority that governs the cryptocurrencies, then there is a big chance that whales coordinate and make calculated risks that would surely lead to them getting so much profit. There would be groups of investors that bought a very large amount of coins and they together calculate their next move. Us small timers do not have such luxury afforded to these people. Having insider information would also be a bonus for them especially if they have big connections.

It's obvious because the whales always have the power to do that so they can do whatever they want, because their goal with big capital is to make huge profits, so they dare to make big things on new coins and old coins.

It is so interesting who owns the 4 wallet with 1 million bitcoins.

ElonMusk  ;D

Somehow the whales controls and  manipulates the market to an extent with the help of some crypto users who don't know their stand, most of these big guys we see, holding a very big bag, will sell at a good price, create some FUD about bitcoin and the weak hands and most newbies will be very much afraid and sell at lose, prices goes down and these big guys buy back lower and makes more gains, you see the strategy, most of the FUD been spread is done on a purpose, so the wiser an investor becomes the better for him.

no one care who is in profits or loss , every traders even that whales always thinking about their self. They will do anything they can to shake market even with releasing FUD regularly be their main weapon to reach their goals. as retail traders we must understand how they work , so we could move parallelly with them and gaining profits.

It's hard to say whales don't manipulate the market, with the large amount of capital they can dictate market prices. But sometimes this is difficult to prove. But if retail investors unite I think whales can be fought, an example that has happened is in GME stocks. Prices continue to soar as small investors band together to fight price manipulation and cause billions of dollars in losses to big companies

The manipulation of price can easily be done with low market cap coins, or those with coins that have very low liquidity. This is why, you can easily see them pump 100x or more and that you should avoid at all cost. As you may end up holding worthless coins. But for high market cap coins like btc, it is hard to manipulate even by whales. It is hard for them to talk with each other and make a move in the market.

since 2015 they have been manipulating the crypto market, and that happened because there were no regulations or regulations to prevent what they were doing, therefore there was a Flash Crash on the market chart because they had made a scenario of selling in large quantities at one time so that the market experienced a correction

After they have discussed together, they may do something together to bring the market to their desired results in a short period of time. But the giant whale does not operate frequently.
There are many people staring at the activities of the giant whales. The long-term price is stable.

I really agree with you, It's impossible to eliminate the whales since they are also part of the market so it's better to follow the wave and move with them so rather than loss we can get an profit from their action, It's double-edged sword too, Sometimes it's good but sometimes it's not and we can't predict what will happens accurately so the best things to do it's DYOR!

I somehow agree that whales are somehow manipulating the market specially those at wall street. However we can't blame them. That's how they play the game and its all up to us if we follow them or avoid them. But for me personally, these whales are good as long they hold otherwise it would literally hurt BTC's price.

Based on my eight years in crypto I have seen a lot of market movers but there is not a single manipulation of bitcoin be it a whale or any force that can dictate the price of it. The fact that several address with huge stacks of bitcoin are is still non movers since the the beginning. Manipulation of other cryptocurrencies are rampant but not bitcoin.

I think some of them does but others are only doing what they want and people are only following them,We don't know if they are manipulating or just doing what they want when they do something,For example selling some of their crypto we don't really know if they really need the Fiat or just wants to create a wave to dump the price.

I agree with you, most of them are creating trends, and small investors will follow the movements that the whales have created. when the whale moves to create a trend, small investors will be caught in their bait and FOMO in the market. that's when the whales take profit.

Whales have the power and resources to manipulate the cryptocurrency market. The BTC whales are also very intelligent people that knows the value of their holdings so they do not perform their large Crypto trades on known public exchanges so as to avoid the slippages in price delivery and forcely crashing the value if bitcoin. They also have the resources to cause momentary pumps in price and that's why a big dump or selloff often happens after a consistent upward move

It is hard to say. There are now too many alternatives and trends in the crypto market.
If earlier we had only Bitcoin and Ethereum and it was much easier to manipulate the market, now there are more players with large volumes of various instruments, and the game between them is more complicated.

Of course whales manipulate the market but this isn’t restricted to only crypto. Big players with very deep pockets have been manipulating stocks & anything of value really for a very, very long time. Just don’t panic sell & you’ll be OK.

Is it really a personal wallet? It might just be an exchange wallet. But if it is true that the wallet belongs to the whales, of course they have big targets for the future with the digital assets they have. Because these assets are not only in the form of Bitcoin, but also consist of other cryptocurrencies, such as Ethereum, XRP. And I hope that these assets will continue to be in their wallets, so that a dump does not occur.

If any manipulation occurs here, it is beyond our control because there are no regulations on cryptocurrencies that can prevent it, they could make the price rise quickly, but we need to be careful at the stage of the ongoing rise because it will be sudden. down when they are about to take advantage. They come from exchanges and most likely from cold storage. The common strategy that whales use is to create some kind of news that will spread the FUD to people and then it is they who will buy the discounted bitcoins that have been sold because of the fear and panic they have created.

The huge operation of the whale may affect the market, and the operation of the huge whale is also transparent in Bitcoin. We can check their actions at any time and analyze market trends.

Is not being done by a single person but the influenced of whales creates an impact on another whale right?

I mean, if those people who have good capital merge with shaking the market; they are moving it well. Not impossible that they are using same patterns and by working together they'll successfully do the damage.


Indeed. they have that money to move even in lighter but impacting movement,

Whale knows and understands the sentiment, for those weak and panic holders they can easily penetrate and succeed with their plans.

Bitcoin is one of the most decentralized coin, even though, a small number of wallet holds more than 50% of it. And the most important thing is a very small fraction of total bitcoin is actually being bought and sold. To say, you'd need much lesser coin to make an impact on the market. The condition are much worse for smaller and lower cap coins. A single holder or a large buyer/seller can make a large impact on such small coins. And with limited exchange options, coins listed on a single exchange could easily be manipulated.

Does the ground gets wet when it rains? As long as there are any markets in the world, there will be people trying to manipulate it, it doesn't even have to be a whale, it is simply just profitable to manipulate markets if you can which means that people will keep on manipulating it as long as they can. It is simple as that.

I personally never tried it but there were very small coins that people manipulated while I was there as well and I had to contribute to their manipulation once to get out, otherwise I would have to get out at low technically. All in all it is not really a smart decision to keep on hurting the market, because in the end you will end up with a hurt market and can't keep on manipulating to make a profit.

There is no doubt that large crypto wallets are manipulating the market. They have almost unlimited opportunities to form strong trends. On the other hand, they even have to participate in this in order to form prices at the level they need, constantly increasing their fiat equivalent.

I can tell you for free, the answer. And that is yes, to an extent. I remember the so-called Crypto winter of 2018.Prior to that in December 2017, bitcoin got to a then ATH because of the whales, before it dumped hard

Do whales manipulate the market...Yes, All the time!! It's business for them and not tea time and people pretty much know how to follow a trending market which is,if it's buying everyone will try and buy and if it's selling, everyone will try and sell and the whales knowing this information use this against us to gain some kind of advantage over us which allows them to manipulate the markets in a way that favors them to get cheap coins from their true value.

Really good question.

I personally think that there is a degree of manipulation in anything.

But when it comes to the question of systematic manipulation to extract wealth from smaller players, I don't see any proof of this. I think that people are simply saying this because they incurred significant losses and so forth when taking excessive leverage.

Any solid proof? Ofc, they manipulate but it is something related to institutional fund organizations not only the job of few whales. December 2017 was a boom timeframe because of the industry mass adoption rate, few exchanges data can confirm this too. Blaming the institutions doesn't add anything to the conversation unless you have serious data to prove it. Not all market downtrends are caused intentionally by someone or some group of people, natural market cycles works in up down - up down roller-coaster FYI.

Yes, whales can manipulate the market because they have a lot of huge amounts of cryptocurrency. If they decide to sell, they can dump any currency, so they represent a major concern for traders and investors, and these whales can cooperate together to reduce or raise prices as they like, so we have no idea about plans The whales and their motives.

The whales are also manipulating the market but it looks like your SS has nothing to do with it. That site gave you information about the richest bitcoin wallet and it didn't have any correlation with whales. I even think the crypto market is more susceptible to manipulation than the financial market. Other traditions exist. The reason for that is quite simple, the total market value of all cryptocurrencies combined is still relatively low compared to the stock market. Therefore, there is simply no need to pay attention to this and we just have to move on, and really anyone who has been in the crypto space for a long time understands that whales in the crypto market manipulate the market.

Whales manipulate the market indeed. They just like to HODL big amount of money especially in top altcoins and Bitcoin. And when they see the right time for themselves, they decide to sell a huge amount. And this affects the prices in the market really importantly. This can be seen as some kind of a market manipulation actually. Because buying and selling actions change things in the market a lot.

When you have few hodlers who amassed huge amount of Bitcoin definitely moving in and out such a huge amount of Bitcoin at a certain period of time inform of manipulation will consecutively has a big impact on the price of Bitcoin momentarily, nothing can change that because  it is unregulated, however to be on a safer side it is always advisable for hodlers, investors and traders to always take profits accordingly to prevent losing out in any event of sudden drop or crash in price probably as a result of market manipulation which can occur at any time unannounced.