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                                                                         "We Don’t Know What’s Going To Happen With COVID & That’s Okay"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVjLT3pinW0&t=34s

Doctor Mike:

"Dr. Zubin Damania, or ZDoggMD, is one of the original doctors who brought fun and valuable medical information to YouTube. Given the utter chaos happening around the world right now in regards to COVID-19, I needed to bring in my long time friend and godfather of medfluencing to ease my pain and vent about what’s going on. In this hour-long conversation we hit on all things COVID, from booster shots, masks in schools, mandatory vaccinations, tribalism, trusting Dr. Anthony Fauci, conspiracy theories, the Delta variant, and our prediction for where all of this is heading."

https://zdoggmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Drmike-2-590x332.jpg

Borrowed from a youTube poster:

Timestamps of the [excellent] discussion:
1:07 tribalism, divisiveness, productive/unproductive/harmful conversations, same goals different tactics
5:03 how to bring back rational thinking and find truth, "alt-middle"
7:54 how social media could be better at managing misinformation

12:27 talking about ideas from various authorities in medicine, how they could communicate better, credibility and integrity (13:19 Fauci example) vs media spins, hard when we talk in soundbytes about things too complex for that

17:33 more about Dr. Mike's evidence rating scale idea, good and bad of social media, how to talk about challenging/nuanced ideas, thinking critically vs speaking in absolutes
21:39 the power of empathy, especially when you disagree
23:49 human connection, seeing the good, helping others understand, antivaxxers, correlation vs causation, how to understand the data, don't villainize people
26:59 thoughts on vaccine mandates, coercion vs communication, risks and benefits,
28:55 we have more people to save, more deaths than just COVID-19 as hospitals are overrun and can't treat other ailments and overall health worsens
31:23 how to get people to change their behavior, social pressure is needed (but doesn't have to be bad), systems thinking balanced with individual behavior,
33:25 financial effect of shutdowns, how to save the most lives, target efforts where you have a better chance to intervene, responsibility
36:25 responsibility to help people make good decisions, bad political declarations that might be harmful or later need to change, difficulty handling this as a politician because of how our system works

39:20 where do you see this heading, comfort from vaccination prospects vs fire that is delta variant, changing dynamics, maintaining immune response,
43:36 future prediction, boosters, closing schools, kids at risk?
46:27 masking in schools, distance learning disadvantages lower socioeconomic kids, use de-escalation strategies as we ease back in (keep masks/distance, watch and see, don't change too many variables at once) to make in-person learning as safe as possible
48:59 people resistant to being told what to do, latching on to false things because we want them to be true
50:22 randomized controlled trials needed (but we don't have the time to risk, so mask up in the meantime), we don't have all the info and that's hard, follow the science
52:52 cognitive bias and info we want to disagree with, benefits of having humility to challenge our previous thinking and adjust to new info


54:38 hard to keep up with all the new info, people are desperate for less biased sources, important to take a break and connect as regular humans too, not just fixating on doom and gloom
57:00 the evidence for months has been to get vaccinated
57:37 variants: how and why they happen, how a variant can be most effective at hurting us, where can it go from Delta
1:02:17 Dr. Damania variant prediction
1:03:43 final thoughts





Your thoughts?

Still trying to find somebody with literal notebook and video records of his isolation of the virus. So far we don't know that it exists. There is something, but it's probably just flu or pneumonia.

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I know that you have spent many hours looking to validate the non-existence of "the virus".
Did you watch any of the video?

Okay. I watched a couple of minutes. And that is what I don't like about videos. If people have something to say, why don't they just say it? The first two minutes was all about making you comfortable with them, so that you feel batter about whatever propaganda they are pushing, whether it's the truth or not.

Let's cut to the chase. I don't know those jokers, and they don't know me. If they have a point to make, why don't they write it down so that we can get it without all the clutter of their joyfully happy faces.

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Let's do cut to the chase...
I've been an appreciator of forums for decades as a medium for exchanging free ideas and open information between people regardless of location and education levels.

I'm feeling less appreciative over the last few years as the insanity leaks out into the real world---lizard people, pizzagate, ChristChurch, El Paso, Jan 6th.

What's said online matters, the real world might benefit if a little less effort went into spiraling down darkened rabbit holes and a little more time went into contemplating solutions.

It's interesting that you consider anything you don't believe to be propaganda. Somehow what you believe is truth? You've only bought a different bill of goods.
 
This forum has personally taught me to mine, prevented me from pre-ordering Monarch Cards from Butterfly Labs, kept my coins out of MtGox's crumble, reduced my losses from Cryptsy and countless other lessons that I didn't have to learn the hard way.

                                                                                     I hope this post contributes something positive.

      
Yeah...what's up with those "happy faces" "trying to make you comfortable"  :(      ???    :D ;) ;D



I've been watching Dr. Mike for a few years (he's a fairly popular YouTuber and practicing physician)


Before this video I've seen a few ZdoggMD videos because his main market was other doctors but I'll probably watch more

Natural Immunity Is Real, And Here's What That Means | A Doctor Explains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1eHMekNdI&ab_channel=ZDoggMD

One of my favorites years back ( of course Star Wars themed )
Doc Vader Vs. The Hospital Administrator (A ZDoggMD Production)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHfan71zHKk&ab_channel=ZDoggMD

They are put into this role in the propaganda machine for a reason.  We already know the methods they use (stupid, often 'self deprecating') jokes to warm up the crowd, then some scientism hitting all the points that we hear from the rest of their ilk and know like the back of our hands.  It's not only the way they can lie about 'data' and twist logic that is so impressive, but the unscripted joy they get out of doing so.

I have not even watched the two-minutes-and-skip-through because these people use the same cookie-cutter that everyone else on the corp/gov propaganda payroll does.  The scientism points are simple and easy to understand and repeated ad-nausium so there is not much point to hearing them over and over again.  Especially when there are new and interesting things developing all the time.  There is some entertainment value is seeing how the corp/gov shills try to paper over the various undeniable truths that come to the fore, but that's about the only value.

Edit:
Watched a little bit only because these two actors are particularly effective in their roles.  About what I expected, and it is easy to see why pseudo-intellectual normies resonate with them.  Interesting to note that they are still pumping the demagoguery of Dr. Fausti and the cult (https://www.bitchute.com/video/QLhaD8n9AK3C/) around him.  This is a little surprising, but hey, don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

Of course there are no links to original sources, data, studies, etc on 'Dr. Mike's official youtube channel link.  You wouldn't expect these highly promoted celebrity doctors to spend any of their social media profits on hiring a person to bother to type in a link on his media property.  Much less take a few minutes to do it himself.  Heaven Forbid!  Here is how real and credible information providers do it:

  https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/understanding-hipaa-ada-eeoa-deliberately-obscured-serious-risk-myocarditis/ (https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/understanding-hipaa-ada-eeoa-deliberately-obscured-serious-risk-myocarditis/)

Skimmed your post enough to remember why I have you on ignore.

Fine.  Let it be a mystery why people laugh at you.

More people should laugh at me: I've said 100 hilarious things on this site and I get nothing  :D

Don't let it be a mystery to you when the sane people stop responding to you.

For general disclosure, I make no personal claim to sanity---the way the world dysfunctions should make people question their sanity.

Didn't take long to verify that your 'ignore list' thing was another bullshit lie.

By the way, here's a real doctor for anyone who would like to listen to one:  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KF0SbhMBKXQT/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/KF0SbhMBKXQT/)

I'm more comfortable with the WHO, CDC and NCBI than "bitchute" (for at least 15 years)

tvbcof, you've got like 6 people left on this site who are making an effort with you (I'm not one).




I wouldn't usually link the boring things I've read in response to someone citing "bitchute" as relevant information in regards to medical research anymore
than I would refer a flat-earther to the copious amounts of history, data and reality surrounding them...

Except: there are regular people reading this site as well

I.S.S. (the International Space Station) streams experiments and you can observe the Earth turning in the background
And NASA has a really good YouTube channel
Down to Earth: The Astronaut’s Perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIkqs9_FK28


The Threat of Pandemic Influenza
Are We Ready? Workshop Summary
Institute of Medicine (US) Forum on Microbial Threats; Editors: Stacey L Knobler, Alison Mack, Adel Mahmoud, and Stanley M Lemon.

Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2005.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22156/

The Coming Pandemic (2005)---it's on Amazon

Smithsonian Magazine: The Next Pandemic: Are We Prepared? (2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-jfqpBG9eQ&t=77s

bumping because the last 2 links

"We Don’t Know What’s Going To Happen With COVID & That’s Okay"


Right. With Ivermectin around to cure the few who catch Covid, and prevent Covid in everybody who takes Ivermectin daily, we shouldn't even be thinking about Covid. We should be thinking about the best ways to sue the government, the medical, and the media.


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No. Without the proper amount of research data regarding "treatments" like Ivermectin we should find new ways to have those discussions openly

---which is part of what the Docs are discussing in the video.

We should demand better communication and transparency from those establishments.
I know this post is boring for most people----reality is way less exciting outside of parlor and bitchute but we are in this reality together
and given some basic guidelines on how to get through.

Eventually there will be documentaries and history lessons regarding this period of time...I'm already embarrassed for us.

???

The virus has of course been isolated and studied many many times. Here are a couple of examples:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

Can't wait for: "These scientific papers prove nothing! YouTube clip or it didn't happen!"

While you are waiting, consider a prison. When they isolate a prisoner from the others, they put him into solitary confinement. This means that he is separate from the others. It doesn't mean that they analyze a picture of him, and then dig around in the prison population, and take a part here and a part there, and reconstructed him in the solitary confinement cell.

Rather, they compare each prisoner to a picture that they have, and they take the whole prisoner, and move him to solitary as one unit.

Where in those websites is the wording that shows that they separated the Covid virus from the other material, and moved it into a spot all its own?

We both can make all kinds of claims. Either of us could say that we isolated thousands of viruses. Words are reasonably easy. But when it comes to the separating process, so that we can prove that we know what we are talking about, where is it in those docs... the whole process?

The thing that those docs show is a construction of the virus, if they even show that. But if they actually separated a whole virus - rather than taking pieces and constructing one - where did they get the info for what the virus looked like considering there are at least hundreds of thousands of viruses? Did they get it from Wuhan? Do they believe the Chinese that they got the right virus?

Further, in the process have they injected their virus into, say, 100 test subjects to see if any of them got sick from it?

Where is the wording that shows the details of all of this? Where is the wording that shows what kind of filter paper they used to separate out tiny particles from other, larger ones? Where is the place that shows the name brand of the centrifuge they used to further separate the tiny particles. Who are the researchers, and how can we get their affidavit as to what they did? And for sure, who were the test subjects that were injected with the virus to see if any of them got sick?

There are thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of medical researchers in the world? Let's see the wording from even one of them that shows the isolation/separation process thoroughly, not just the words, "I did it."

As I have said before, I'm not saying it wasn't done. But let's see it being done in video format, and let's see the notebook where it was recorded by the researcher in the ongoing process.

Why don't you team up with f1 and some of the other medically inclined forum members, to actually dig the wording out of your report docs, and show it to all of us. It isn't there, is it?

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I'm not sure if you've ever written a scientific paper (okay, I am sure), but the method that was used is generally explained in the section titled "method".


The whole process is documented, yes. But obviously it isn't going to take everything right back to basics. If an experiment uses a test tube in the process of identifying a chemical, there is no need for it to explain how a test tube is made, which company supplied the glass, etc.


The virus has not just been isolated once or twice. If it is isolated repeatedly by many different teams in different countries, and they get the same results, it's the same virus, yes?
In the case of the first paper, the sample came from "Upper and lower respiratory tract secretion samples from putative patients with COVID-19", and in the second paper, the specimen collection process is detailed in the section titled "Specimen Collection".


This is insane. Particularly coming from someone whose standard response is 'God did it; no evidence required'.


Their names are at the top of the paper. Why don't you write to them?

 
That wouldn't give you what you want. Read through the methods and ask yourself if you'd be satisfied with a video.


For me it's all there, yes. For you evidently not. But facts are all I've got; I don't have a faith-based argument.

Basically, we-did-isolation non-isolations, because no actual isolation process info. It's all a comparison to other possible isolations... which probably weren't isolations, either.

I know, you like to trust the runaround blab. The point is that no isolation is being shown in both your links.

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There seems to be a growing body of opinion that accepts that the virus is endemic, and the pandemic is government created. Vaccines can protect before exposure to a virus, but shouldn't be used against an endemic disease in its home territory. That just creates variants. For the lazy who don't care about their health, monoclonal antibodies seem to be one of the ways to overcome the disease.

The greatest problem with Covid is nothing to do with health, it is that it is being used to usher in a number of radical political and social changes.

You need to show the data, otherwise it's just conjecture.


Mutations arise naturally due to copying errors. The more of a virus there is in circulation, the more mutations arise, some of which may be more transmissible or deadly than the original. Vaccination reduces the amount of virus in circulation, and therefore reduces the number of new variants.


This approach does appear to show some promise... but why not just take the vaccine, which is proven to be both safe and effective? It seems highly unlikely that anyone who is ideologically opposed to taking a lab-produced vaccine would be happy to take lab-produced monoclonal antibodies.

I don't have any problem with monoclonal antibodies assuming the process of their manufacture and the finished product be audited _by entities I trust_.  Introduce lab made antibodies is a COMPLETELY different thing that re-programming a person's cells with secret code from known criminal actors.  This is especially the case when the person's cells which are to be reprogrammed is a scatter-shot process aimed generally in the direction of the gonads.

From previous conversations, it seems that much of your antipathy towards vaccines stems from a fundamental mistrust of the government. I don't trust my government, either. They are corrupt and self-serving, and have no interest in my wellbeing... or the wellbeing of anyone beyond their own small circle. But I have spent my adult life, academically and in the workplace, around science and data. The data on Covid vaccines give a clear message; the evidence is overwhelming. Politicians deal in compromise and manipulation; scientists deal in facts, they present facts, they explain in thorough detail how they arrived at their conclusions, and make this information available for anyone to see. Of course some scientists can also be corrupt and self-serving, but it is not the norm. I think it's sensible and prudent to not trust politicians, but science, where the facts are available, is different.

Nope.  That mis-conception of 'science' was exactly the tonic that kept me on the 'left wing' for most of my life.  When I could no longer sustain the rose-colored glasses is when I 'flipped', and it is the depth of the betrayal (and humiliation at being such a fool) that is largely responsible for my penchant for spewing venom at this time.

This phenomenon is exactly why the people who are targeted most specifically by 'communists' after a revolution are the 'useful idiots' who helped out in one phase of the project.  It's a real thing, and 'useful idiot' is a technical term.  Again, Bezmenov.

I don't disagree with your idealized conception of 'science', and as a general mode it's how I try to run my affairs because I think it is the right thing to do.  I am genuinely mystified by anyone (such as yourself) who cannot see the blatant corruption which had gotten pretty bad even before the scamdemic, and since then has gotten many fold worse.

If you are not aware of the less famous clause in Eisenhower's military-industrial complex speech it is instructive to read an meditate on it:

  In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal
     and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

Nailed it! 

I'm sure that some people (including many of my friends in Silicon Valley) kinda-sorta understand this on a sub-conscious level and kinda-sorta agree that the world would be better under such governance.  It kinda-sorta happens to be a little bit self-serving which is almost certainly a factor.  I would only say that I think they are not only wrong, but fatally wrong.  They are useful idiot tools for a very dark set of people with a very different agenda and plan than is in their naive minds.  So dark and deep that, as intelligent as they are, they cannot even comprehend it.  Most people simply don't have the wiring to do so.

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,
which is fine; most of us (lay people) lack the basic skills applied to scientific methods nevermind the ability to comprehend the complexities of research that a specialist may have, after years of education spent the rest of their life researching, undergoing the scrutiny of peer review and now have politicians who want to have politicized debates instead of even having a clue of the right questions to ask to get us plebs out of this.

I've sat through hours of what I thought were tiresome, boring lectures for a service club that already had me at "eradicate Polio and do good work in your community"
and it is now that I appreciate the service they did for me.


Yes, do you have any idea of how many endemics we are currently living with throughout the world? We probably should figure out how to live with this one.
Probably posted these before (non tech versions of discussions, articles)
(you can read about some of them by searching for "endemics" on CDC.gov)


"Influenza and the four human coronaviruses that cause common colds are also endemic: but a combination of annual vaccines and acquired immunity means that societies tolerate the seasonal deaths and illnesses they bring without requiring lockdowns, masks and social distancing.Feb 16, 2021

The coronavirus is here to stay — here's what that means https://www.nature.com › news feature"

October 2020
Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Paul Mecurio answer your fan-submitted Cosmic Queries about vaccines for COVID-19 with the help of their guest, Dr. Paul Offit, MD, Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTXnL4uEsE&t=77s&ab_channel=StarTalk

What’s up with the COVID-19 vaccines? On this episode of StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice talk about getting vaccinated for COVID-19 with Dr. Irwin Redlener, Director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOOBUixiiac&t=1680s&ab_channel=StarTalk               you could skip to halfway through


Yes, they should keep exploring monoclonal antibodies and find a way to better communicate its levels of effectiveness if it's going to be continually discussed in the public domain.


                   "radical political and social changes"
This is true on so many levels and from too many different angles, it deserves longer conversations.
While I don't want to see a "tyranny of the majority" with vaccine mandates, looking back on the history of vaccines: it is a radical shift for so many to be resisting based
on political punditry.



I read this book from another one of my favorite science populists (about 25 years ago)
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
by Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan
 
"How can we make intelligent decisions about our increasingly technology-driven lives if we don’t understand the difference between the myths of pseudoscience and the testable hypotheses of science? Pulitzer Prize-winning author and distinguished astronomer Carl Sagan argues that scientific thinking is critical not only to the pursuit of truth but to the very well-being of our democratic institutions."



“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”



I feel like this has extended beyond us citizens and into our politics and not just in America.
We don't seem to value intelligence and integrity in our leaders---that IS on us "freeworld" citizens to challenge and change.

Let me correct it for you.

Many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you they don't care to read or lack the ability to understand...

Until you understand that, I find no reason to play around with the rest of your post. At least not right now. There are serious things to do in life. I don't have time to even read the rest of your post.

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Okay, thank you for doing us both a favor ;-)

Good thing there's an ignore feature, hadn't noticed it earlier. There's no use trying to prove BadDecker otherwise, no matter what information is presented to him, he'll simply ignore it and go ahead making bold claims, stemming from an article he found on some random blogspot.

Anyway, haven't watched the complete video, although I'm following Doctor Mike on social media, he's been providing useful data and information since the start of the pandemic. I strongly believe that we're heading towards the start of the end of the pandemic. We have the most important weapon against it, vaccines, which have already shown their effectiveness and their importance in this situation.

The Vaccines Are 1,000% More Deadly Than Covid-19. And this doesn't include the proof given by hospitals all over the place.

The Vaccine Death Report reveals that MILLIONS of people have died from covid vaccines - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-30-vaccine-death-report-millions-died-covid-vaccines.html

Almost fully vaccinated Harvard Business School shuts down after massive COVID-19 outbreak - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-30-harvard-business-school-shuts-down-covid-outbreak.html

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg58065168#msg58065168


The Vaccines Are 1,000% More Deadly Than Covid-19 (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/313150-2021-09-30-the-vaccines-are-1-000-more-deadly-than-covid-19.htm)




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Ignore makes the Politics and Society board a little quicker to read through--- you will likely find the 3 or 4 to mute rather quickly.
Appreciating that you made an effort on the video. I found Dr. Mike years ago and used to  crack up at his reaction videos. I also enjoy watching  reaction videos to my favorite comedians (like George Carlin or Bill Burr) and music.  I consume  a lot of media so it has been interesting to see YouTube evolve into a "platform", how they choose to manage content also continues as a point of interest.

I'm a huge fan of his, I'm following him both on Facebook and YouTube, not really keen on any other social media. I was watching him even before the pandemic, he has plenty of content, some of which isn't solely medical related.

I could strongly believe that BADecker and and  tvbcof are closely related, if it wasn't for their type of writing, I'd believe that they were an alt account of the same person. Both of them are two tryhards who aren't giving up, on trying to backup their ridiculous claims.

Gee, who would have guessed?


Many of the 'ridiculous claims' have already proven out.  Like that the so-called 'vaccine' won't work for shit.  That was obvious to anyone who skimmed what little info was put out by the gene therapy corporations about their trials.  Also that they ware stringing you along like suckers with the 'get vaxxed and get back to normal' BS then you get kicked in the balls by having to mask up again.  It would be hilarious except that the perps could only get away with it because there are so many of you Jewtube/Facefuck watching dim-witted fuck-tards to carry water for the perps.  For now.

As for BADecker, I've gone pretty hard on him for being in the same class as you vaxxer dorks when it comes to being a Q-tard and buying their bullshit.  I doubt that he has forgiven me.  I tolerate his religious stuff because, not being religious myself, I welcome knowing more about it.  Certainly a lot of features of Christianity are a generally positive force relative to the scientism (and probably satanism often enough) of the vax cult.

Many persons are ready to argue the validation of non-existence of the virus when it's obviously clear that this virus had killed countless amount of persons till now but I wouldn't be bias to sense this from people that thinks the government are just after spreading fake news. The virus is real. Many had been killed because of there disbelieve and allowing themselves to be a victim of circumstances.
Many souls are gone due to lack of vaccines that could save them at the time when vaccines are not in the making.

The Covid virus is a virus of the imagination. People died from the medical not knowing how to treat a particularly virulent form of flu or cold.

The CDC said that 94% of the deaths were from comorbidities. All this means is that they don't know for sure in many cases why people died.

Load a camel up with too many packs of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.  Then add the Covid straw that broke the camel's back. Did the straw really do it? Or could you have added almost anything - a pebble, a cup of water - and broken the camel's back?

Wake up! The CDC is constantly contradicting themselves. If you want to believe them, you're going to have to believe all kinds of contradicting things. That's what they want you to do... to keep on guessing. The CDC is lying to you.

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It is odd to see covid denial online but in some cases you could [almost] excuse it, as in: maybe that person lives with a sparse population density, doesn't have extended family or friends? But when the counter research and alternative facts info gets thrown around that's a different story.

I much prefer my fiction to contain more whimsy.

you really don't know camels...

There's a pattern in that some of the people (okay, mainly one person) who post unsubstantiated anti-vax stuff aren't interested in a discussion, they just want to create a noise. This is why there are so many threads started with ridiculous sensationalist headlines, and yet when you try to engage them in reasoned debate, or raise the question of evidence or even rationality, they just ignore it and move on, just starting a new thread with some new craziness (which often contradicts their previous nonsense - e.g., Covid doesn't exist, but is simultaneously a huge government eugenics programme). I'm not sure how much is trolling and how much is genuine belief, but the fact that they won't even attempt to engage in debate is telling. Their stock response is often some vague insult. A while ago, one of them decided to mock my ability to use the English language, and did so in a stream-of-consciousness, punctuation-free rant, with a lot of poor spelling and some very 'creative' syntax. This is all they've got.

Speaking of one of McCullough's lies:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

The covid-19 virus can spread from asymptomatic people to others.

Stop spreading misinformation about covid-19.

The info about asymptomatic spread was from research prior to the so-called 'vaccine' creating asymptomatic super-spreaders.  And that's the actual sales pitch for the gene therapy they are selling as a 'vaccine'...the truth is even worse.

  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

The truth is that the gene therapy spike protein GMO treatment is re-setting the clock for those who had achieved durable natural immunity so they can get infected again.  Plus the gene therapy tends to hit the previously infected especially hard with adverse reactions duo to some nuances of the immune system.

Worse still, the GMO people create the perfect environment for the rapid evolution of new mutant variants which are needed to get the life-time-of-boosters regimes going which is what Big Pharma needs for maximum profits.  It's also exactly what the Technocracy fascists need for for their totalitarian goals, and they work hand-in-hand to mold the herd.

Thankfully it's easy and safe for a lot of us to just to get the damn common cold and achieve durable immunity to all of the variants these sickened GMO sheeple are pumping out.  Safe too.  So far.

The time the unvaxxed really have to start worrying is when they start digging the dead - dead, maybe, for hundreds of years... or the dead mummies from Egypt - out of their graves to vaxx them. They'll probably get to the point of vaxxing the ashes of the cremated. Hide your parent's urns.

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Sensational headlines certainly hook our attentions (us humans ;-) and the online noise has become a real life cacophony.

The "reasoned debate" part is going to be tough when the least qualified voices are becoming the loudest; we shouldn't underestimate the potency of crazy trolls both non and true believers, especially with the amount of time they have to spare---as opposed to the actual experts.

One of my favorite things about watching someone like Neil DeGrasse Tyson do a podcast is that he will say something to the effect of: I'm not an expert on the subject so I brought one in for us to talk to.

Please... if they can't even insult you with skill what's the point? That is basic trolling 101.

Thank you 2x af_newbie ;-)


Yes tbcof, you've been blissfully on mute since around the time I referred to you as having a cultish vibe by declining your flavor of Kool-Aid when you called me a fascist.
I hadn't been called a fascist since my child's teen years, it triggered me, sending me into spiraling descent of despair and total loss of self-worth.
Upon realizing that I couldn't possibly fathom the depths of thought by one so intelligent as you...
Seriously though:

It's only a click to "unignore"  seemed kind of rude not to respond to someone answering a question in the thread I posted.

Another joker^^ who watched a virus jump from one person to another. How did the virus do it? Did it do a pole jump? Or a standing broad jump? Maybe it developed wings and flew? Or did it do a ski jump off the carrier's nose?

Come on! Tell us. After all, you have such sharp little eyes that they can cut right between the molecules of air to watch that virus go, right? Lol.

Snake oil didn't work. So the medical said the virus is there and jumps from person to person. And you fell for it, just like you are falling for all the vaxx lies.

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You have plenty of your own topics to post this stuff in----> notice I'm not there arguing with you.
We've managed to maintain a respectable amount of lighthearted discourse throughout our years (until this thread). Can you dial it back or has that time passed?

Well? Do you have any evidence for a virus passing between people? Do the doctors and researchers give any evidence? Isn't all their evidence that somebody was close to somebody else, and now they have Covid, too?

Why don't they say it straight out like it is? Why don't they say that they don't know for sure. Here's what I mean.

All the people in a police lineup are different. But they are all the same, as well. They all have arms and legs, hands and feet, a body, a head, a few other parts that everybody has, etc. So, why don't they do a lineup on all the Covid viruses?

Each Covid virus has some basic parts that all Covid viruses do. But until they can see the differences in each individual virus particle, and note by these differences when a virus is found in one person, and the same virus is later found in another person, that's the only way that they will ever be able to tell that a virus moved from one person to the next.

Do you want to believe that they know that a virus has jumped from one person to the next? Get them to prove to you how they know it. If they don't show it to you, you have to decide if they know or not. If you decide that they know anyway, even when they don't give you the proof, all you are saying is that you believe a bunch of medical hearsay. And when you believe without knowing, you have a religion going for yourself.

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EDIT: This goes for any virus, and maybe any bacteria.

No I don't, because I'm not a virologist. (It would be really weird if I did and I probably wouldn't admit to it here)
But is that really a question you contemplate?

Why don't astrophysicists say it straight, what is with all those complicated math equations?

"Novel" indicates previously unknown, they still have learning to do and if you think  there are better answers to be had on random websites
instead of the collective minds who have dedicated their lives to that type of research then we might be too far apart on the subject to conversate about it.

Because when you believe yourself into the astrophysicist religion, all you basically lose is your money. When you believe the medical's Covid religion, you could lose your life, like at least 1.5 million people worldwide have from taking the vaxx.

If you say that the idea of all those vaxx dead is my religion, since the CDC recognize at least part of those dead, are you really a man of faith in a contradictory religion like that of the CDC?

At least you can take comfort in the fact that you made your own decision... live or die.

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You're ignoring "evidence" that is so widely known in the public domain (start your search with Ignaz Semmelweis) that it is basic common knowledge.
Are you comfortable with the fact that the misinformation you are promoting could lead to someone's life or death decision?

Astrophysics is not a religion. Science is not a religion.
Religions are based on having faith that a thing is true, despite there being no evidence.
Science consists of facts. If someone has a theory, they can test it scientifically to determine whether or not it is true. If it is true, it becomes part of our scientific understanding. If it is false, this can lead us to new avenues of enquiry.
Science is a search for truth, by means of testing falsifiable propositions.
Religion has no evidence, it simply says "This is true."


If someone says that the moon is made of cheese, it is not worth discussing.

You constantly like to ignore the fact that the CDC said that 94% of Covid deaths was from comorbidities...

... that the few who did die from Covid are way less that those who die from cancer, or heart disease, or diabetes, or many other things, each year...

... that those getting Covid are and are vaxxed, are way more than the unvaxxed who get Covid...

... that way less that 1% of people ever died from Covid...

... all the Open VAERS (https://openvaers.com/) stuff which is taken right from the CDC's various websites...

... and loads of other things that show that the CDC talks out of many sides of its face, lying all the time.

You are an enemy of the people, and it should be known by all people so that they are protected from your devious ways.

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BADecker, please don't post in here again---use all of your own threads for this nonsense.

I'm pretty sure you're stupid by now, I've confirmed it by going through most of your threads/posts. I'm still curious, though, where the heck are you getting your sources? Probably some joke conspiracy website, for sure, which cites no sources whatsoever. I can answer your nonsense claims, despite it being completely pointless.

The total death toll from Covid-19 in 2020 was more than 1.8 million deaths, however, there's an excess of 3 million deaths throughout the year, which indicates that there are deaths which were never recorded. In simple words, the true death toll is actually larger than the recorded, that's 1.2 more a million deaths in a single year.

These are official numbers from CDC and WHO, I don't understand where you get your information from.

Sources: https://www.who.int/data/stories/the-true-death-toll-of-covid-19-estimating-global-excess-mortality
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-death-rates-idUSKCN26D0YP

Try not to name call in this thread---:-)Appreciated the links



Been hoping for something like Tamiflu for Covid...


Molnupiravir Explained
Longview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdbeJ_kIl9Y&ab_channel=ZDoggMD
Short--12 ish mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mre3E38Kyk&ab_channel=ZDoggMD

It's kind of funny to see your type swagger in here with secret sources of truth that only you are smart enough and educated enough to know about (CDC, WHO, Reuters, etc) and take the time to bless us with your infinite wisdom.

Here's what you may not realize.  We so-called 'anti-vaxxers' are thouroughly familiar both with the bogus information from these propagandists (because you cannot get totally away from mainstream-land and the 'data' is heavily marketed), but also the operations and histories of these organizations themselves.  Indeed, it's this deeper level understanding that makes us what, in your ignorance, you call 'anti-vaxxers'.

By-n-large we don't particularly wish harm on you even if you are simpleton mice hell-bent on sticking your heads into the trap.  ("The mouse doesn't know why the cheese is free.")  Just know that in order to 'convince' us, you are going to have to go fairly deep in communicating both an understanding of corruption of these organizations, and pretty solid evidence that they have done a 180-degree turn.  Good luck with that.


I don't think you'll have to wait very long for overpriced substance from Big Pharma which permanently damage your organs within a few weeks.  And if you get your news from celebrity doctors and celebrity scientists, you'll be the first to know how awesome they are.  The CDC and FDA will surely rubber-stamp them pretty much overnight.  As long as tax-payers (people who stay away from them and are thus healthy enough to work) are footing the bill, what's not to love!

Edit:  Tried to watch the long version, but gave up.  At least it really hammered home what a sleazeball 'ZDoggMD' is...and thus why he gets the social media influence boost and probably a ton of bucks.  No wonder a dweebs like '_Miracle' has serious wood for the guy.  He really does have 'the right stuff' to mesmerize his class of normie retard.  A little bit but not to much amount 'ethnic' get's 'em every time.