"We Don’t Know What’s Going To Happen With COVID & That’s Okay"

[Cnut237]

There seems to be

You need to show the data, otherwise it's just conjecture.

That just creates variants.

Mutations arise naturally due to copying errors. The more of a virus there is in circulation, the more mutations arise, some of which may be more transmissible or deadly than the original. Vaccination reduces the amount of virus in circulation, and therefore reduces the number of new variants.

monoclonal antibodies seem to be one of the ways to overcome the disease.

This approach does appear to show some promise... but why not just take the vaccine, which is proven to be both safe and effective? It seems highly unlikely that anyone who is ideologically opposed to taking a lab-produced vaccine would be happy to take lab-produced monoclonal antibodies.

[tvbcof]

monoclonal antibodies seem to be one of the ways to overcome the disease.

This approach does appear to show some promise... but why not just take the vaccine, which is proven to be both safe and effective? It seems highly unlikely that anyone who is ideologically opposed to taking a lab-produced vaccine would be happy to take lab-produced monoclonal antibodies.

I don't have any problem with monoclonal antibodies assuming the process of their manufacture and the finished product be audited _by entities I trust_.  Introduce lab made antibodies is a COMPLETELY different thing that re-programming a person's cells with secret code from known criminal actors.  This is especially the case when the person's cells which are to be reprogrammed is a scatter-shot process aimed generally in the direction of the gonads.

[Cnut237]

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From previous conversations, it seems that much of your antipathy towards vaccines stems from a fundamental mistrust of the government. I don't trust my government, either. They are corrupt and self-serving, and have no interest in my wellbeing... or the wellbeing of anyone beyond their own small circle. But I have spent my adult life, academically and in the workplace, around science and data. The data on Covid vaccines give a clear message; the evidence is overwhelming. Politicians deal in compromise and manipulation; scientists deal in facts, they present facts, they explain in thorough detail how they arrived at their conclusions, and make this information available for anyone to see. Of course some scientists can also be corrupt and self-serving, but it is not the norm. I think it's sensible and prudent to not trust politicians, but science, where the facts are available, is different.

[tvbcof]

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From previous conversations, it seems that much of your antipathy towards vaccines stems from a fundamental mistrust of the government. I don't trust my government, either. They are corrupt and self-serving, and have no interest in my wellbeing... or the wellbeing of anyone beyond their own small circle. But I have spent my adult life, academically and in the workplace, around science and data. The data on Covid vaccines give a clear message; the evidence is overwhelming. Politicians deal in compromise and manipulation; scientists deal in facts, they present facts, they explain in thorough detail how they arrived at their conclusions, and make this information available for anyone to see. Of course some scientists can also be corrupt and self-serving, but it is not the norm. I think it's sensible and prudent to not trust politicians, but science, where the facts are available, is different.

Nope.  That mis-conception of 'science' was exactly the tonic that kept me on the 'left wing' for most of my life.  When I could no longer sustain the rose-colored glasses is when I 'flipped', and it is the depth of the betrayal (and humiliation at being such a fool) that is largely responsible for my penchant for spewing venom at this time.

This phenomenon is exactly why the people who are targeted most specifically by 'communists' after a revolution are the 'useful idiots' who helped out in one phase of the project.  It's a real thing, and 'useful idiot' is a technical term.  Again, Bezmenov.

I don't disagree with your idealized conception of 'science', and as a general mode it's how I try to run my affairs because I think it is the right thing to do.  I am genuinely mystified by anyone (such as yourself) who cannot see the blatant corruption which had gotten pretty bad even before the scamdemic, and since then has gotten many fold worse.

If you are not aware of the less famous clause in Eisenhower's military-industrial complex speech it is instructive to read an meditate on it:

  In holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal
     and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

Nailed it! 

I'm sure that some people (including many of my friends in Silicon Valley) kinda-sorta understand this on a sub-conscious level and kinda-sorta agree that the world would be better under such governance.  It kinda-sorta happens to be a little bit self-serving which is almost certainly a factor.  I would only say that I think they are not only wrong, but fatally wrong.  They are useful idiot tools for a very dark set of people with a very different agenda and plan than is in their naive minds.  So dark and deep that, as intelligent as they are, they cannot even comprehend it.  Most people simply don't have the wiring to do so.

[_Miracle]

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,
which is fine; most of us (lay people) lack the basic skills applied to scientific methods nevermind the ability to comprehend the complexities of research that a specialist may have, after years of education spent the rest of their life researching, undergoing the scrutiny of peer review and now have politicians who want to have politicized debates instead of even having a clue of the right questions to ask to get us plebs out of this.

I've sat through hours of what I thought were tiresome, boring lectures for a service club that already had me at "eradicate Polio and do good work in your community"
and it is now that I appreciate the service they did for me.

There seems to be a growing body of opinion that accepts that the virus is endemic
 ---not even reposting that---
monoclonal antibodies seem to be one of the ways to overcome the disease.

The greatest problem with Covid is nothing to do with health, it is that it is being used to usher in a number of radical political and social changes.

Yes, do you have any idea of how many endemics we are currently living with throughout the world? We probably should figure out how to live with this one.
Probably posted these before (non tech versions of discussions, articles)
(you can read about some of them by searching for "endemics" on CDC.gov)


"Influenza and the four human coronaviruses that cause common colds are also endemic: but a combination of annual vaccines and acquired immunity means that societies tolerate the seasonal deaths and illnesses they bring without requiring lockdowns, masks and social distancing.Feb 16, 2021

The coronavirus is here to stay — here's what that means https://www.nature.com › news feature"

October 2020
Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Paul Mecurio answer your fan-submitted Cosmic Queries about vaccines for COVID-19 with the help of their guest, Dr. Paul Offit, MD, Director of the Vaccine Education Center and an attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTXnL4uEsE&t=77s&ab_channel=StarTalk

What’s up with the COVID-19 vaccines? On this episode of StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice talk about getting vaccinated for COVID-19 with Dr. Irwin Redlener, Director of the National Center for Disaster Preparedness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOOBUixiiac&t=1680s&ab_channel=StarTalk               you could skip to halfway through


Yes, they should keep exploring monoclonal antibodies and find a way to better communicate its levels of effectiveness if it's going to be continually discussed in the public domain.


                   "radical political and social changes"
This is true on so many levels and from too many different angles, it deserves longer conversations.
While I don't want to see a "tyranny of the majority" with vaccine mandates, looking back on the history of vaccines: it is a radical shift for so many to be resisting based
on political punditry.



I read this book from another one of my favorite science populists (about 25 years ago)
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
by Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan
 
"How can we make intelligent decisions about our increasingly technology-driven lives if we don’t understand the difference between the myths of pseudoscience and the testable hypotheses of science? Pulitzer Prize-winning author and distinguished astronomer Carl Sagan argues that scientific thinking is critical not only to the pursuit of truth but to the very well-being of our democratic institutions."



“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”



I feel like this has extended beyond us citizens and into our politics and not just in America.
We don't seem to value intelligence and integrity in our leaders---that IS on us "freeworld" citizens to challenge and change.

[BADecker]

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,

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Let me correct it for you.

Many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you they don't care to read or lack the ability to understand...

Until you understand that, I find no reason to play around with the rest of your post. At least not right now. There are serious things to do in life. I don't have time to even read the rest of your post.

[_Miracle]

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,

<snip>

Let me correct it for you.

Many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you they don't care to read or lack the ability to understand...

Until you understand that, I find no reason to play around with the rest of your post. At least not right now. There are serious things to do in life. I don't have time to even read the rest of your post.

Okay, thank you for doing us both a favor ;-)

[Ultegra134]

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,

<snip>

Let me correct it for you.

Many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you they don't care to read or lack the ability to understand...

Until you understand that, I find no reason to play around with the rest of your post. At least not right now. There are serious things to do in life. I don't have time to even read the rest of your post.

Okay, thank you for doing us both a favor ;-)

Good thing there's an ignore feature, hadn't noticed it earlier. There's no use trying to prove BadDecker otherwise, no matter what information is presented to him, he'll simply ignore it and go ahead making bold claims, stemming from an article he found on some random blogspot.

Anyway, haven't watched the complete video, although I'm following Doctor Mike on social media, he's been providing useful data and information since the start of the pandemic. I strongly believe that we're heading towards the start of the end of the pandemic. We have the most important weapon against it, vaccines, which have already shown their effectiveness and their importance in this situation.

[BADecker]

BADecker,
many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you don't care to read or lack the ability to understand,

<snip>

Let me correct it for you.

Many people on this site alone have directed you to copious amounts of data, papers and studies that you they don't care to read or lack the ability to understand...

Until you understand that, I find no reason to play around with the rest of your post. At least not right now. There are serious things to do in life. I don't have time to even read the rest of your post.

Okay, thank you for doing us both a favor ;-)

Good thing there's an ignore feature, hadn't noticed it earlier. There's no use trying to prove BadDecker otherwise, no matter what information is presented to him, he'll simply ignore it and go ahead making bold claims, stemming from an article he found on some random blogspot.

Anyway, haven't watched the complete video, although I'm following Doctor Mike on social media, he's been providing useful data and information since the start of the pandemic. I strongly believe that we're heading towards the start of the end of the pandemic. We have the most important weapon against it, vaccines, which have already shown their effectiveness and their importance in this situation.

The Vaccines Are 1,000% More Deadly Than Covid-19. And this doesn't include the proof given by hospitals all over the place.

The Vaccine Death Report reveals that MILLIONS of people have died from covid vaccines - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-30-vaccine-death-report-millions-died-covid-vaccines.html

Almost fully vaccinated Harvard Business School shuts down after massive COVID-19 outbreak - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-30-harvard-business-school-shuts-down-covid-outbreak.html

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294239.msg58065168#msg58065168


The Vaccines Are 1,000% More Deadly Than Covid-19

According to multiple studies, the fully vaccinated are at a higher risk of injury and death than the unvaxxed.

[Watch the video at https://banned.video/watch?id=6155d49626e134211735e283]

[_Miracle]

Good thing there's an ignore feature, hadn't noticed it earlier.

Anyway, haven't watched the complete video

Ignore makes the Politics and Society board a little quicker to read through--- you will likely find the 3 or 4 to mute rather quickly.
Appreciating that you made an effort on the video. I found Dr. Mike years ago and used to  crack up at his reaction videos. I also enjoy watching  reaction videos to my favorite comedians (like George Carlin or Bill Burr) and music.  I consume  a lot of media so it has been interesting to see YouTube evolve into a "platform", how they choose to manage content also continues as a point of interest.

[Ultegra134]

Good thing there's an ignore feature, hadn't noticed it earlier.

Anyway, haven't watched the complete video

Ignore makes the Politics and Society board a little quicker to read through--- you will likely find the 3 or 4 to mute rather quickly.
Appreciating that you made an effort on the video. I found Dr. Mike years ago and used to  crack up at his reaction videos. I also enjoy watching  reaction videos to my favorite comedians (like George Carlin or Bill Burr) and music.  I consume  a lot of media so it has been interesting to see YouTube evolve into a "platform", how they choose to manage content also continues as a point of interest.

I'm a huge fan of his, I'm following him both on Facebook and YouTube, not really keen on any other social media. I was watching him even before the pandemic, he has plenty of content, some of which isn't solely medical related.

I could strongly believe that BADecker and and  tvbcof are closely related, if it wasn't for their type of writing, I'd believe that they were an alt account of the same person. Both of them are two tryhards who aren't giving up, on trying to backup their ridiculous claims.

[tvbcof]

I'm a huge fan of his, I'm following him both on Facebook and YouTube, not really keen on any other social media. I was watching him even before the pandemic, he has plenty of content, some of which isn't solely medical related.

Gee, who would have guessed?

I could strongly believe that BADecker and and  tvbcof are closely related, if it wasn't for their type of writing, I'd believe that they were an alt account of the same person. Both of them are two tryhards who aren't giving up, on trying to backup their ridiculous claims.

Many of the 'ridiculous claims' have already proven out.  Like that the so-called 'vaccine' won't work for shit.  That was obvious to anyone who skimmed what little info was put out by the gene therapy corporations about their trials.  Also that they ware stringing you along like suckers with the 'get vaxxed and get back to normal' BS then you get kicked in the balls by having to mask up again.  It would be hilarious except that the perps could only get away with it because there are so many of you Jewtube/Facefuck watching dim-witted fuck-tards to carry water for the perps.  For now.

As for BADecker, I've gone pretty hard on him for being in the same class as you vaxxer dorks when it comes to being a Q-tard and buying their bullshit.  I doubt that he has forgiven me.  I tolerate his religious stuff because, not being religious myself, I welcome knowing more about it.  Certainly a lot of features of Christianity are a generally positive force relative to the scientism (and probably satanism often enough) of the vax cult.

[Wakate]

Still trying to find somebody with literal notebook and video records of his isolation of the virus. So far we don't know that it exists. There is something, but it's probably just flu or pneumonia.

I know that you have spent many hours looking to validate the non-existence of "the virus".
Did you watch any of the video?

Many persons are ready to argue the validation of non-existence of the virus when it's obviously clear that this virus had killed countless amount of persons till now but I wouldn't be bias to sense this from people that thinks the government are just after spreading fake news. The virus is real. Many had been killed because of there disbelieve and allowing themselves to be a victim of circumstances.
Many souls are gone due to lack of vaccines that could save them at the time when vaccines are not in the making.

[BADecker]

Still trying to find somebody with literal notebook and video records of his isolation of the virus. So far we don't know that it exists. There is something, but it's probably just flu or pneumonia.

I know that you have spent many hours looking to validate the non-existence of "the virus".
Did you watch any of the video?

Many persons are ready to argue the validation of non-existence of the virus when it's obviously clear that this virus had killed countless amount of persons till now but I wouldn't be bias to sense this from people that thinks the government are just after spreading fake news. The virus is real. Many had been killed because of there disbelieve and allowing themselves to be a victim of circumstances.
Many souls are gone due to lack of vaccines that could save them at the time when vaccines are not in the making.

The Covid virus is a virus of the imagination. People died from the medical not knowing how to treat a particularly virulent form of flu or cold.

The CDC said that 94% of the deaths were from comorbidities. All this means is that they don't know for sure in many cases why people died.

Load a camel up with too many packs of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.  Then add the Covid straw that broke the camel's back. Did the straw really do it? Or could you have added almost anything - a pebble, a cup of water - and broken the camel's back?

Wake up! The CDC is constantly contradicting themselves. If you want to believe them, you're going to have to believe all kinds of contradicting things. That's what they want you to do... to keep on guessing. The CDC is lying to you.

[_Miracle]

Many persons are ready to argue the validation of non-existence of the virus when it's obviously clear that this virus had killed countless amount of persons.

It is odd to see covid denial online but in some cases you could [almost] excuse it, as in: maybe that person lives with a sparse population density, doesn't have extended family or friends? But when the counter research and alternative facts info gets thrown around that's a different story.

I much prefer my fiction to contain more whimsy.

[B1tUnl0ck3r]

Still trying to find somebody with literal notebook and video records of his isolation of the virus. So far we don't know that it exists. There is something, but it's probably just flu or pneumonia.

I know that you have spent many hours looking to validate the non-existence of "the virus".
Did you watch any of the video?

Many persons are ready to argue the validation of non-existence of the virus when it's obviously clear that this virus had killed countless amount of persons till now but I wouldn't be bias to sense this from people that thinks the government are just after spreading fake news. The virus is real. Many had been killed because of there disbelieve and allowing themselves to be a victim of circumstances.
Many souls are gone due to lack of vaccines that could save them at the time when vaccines are not in the making.

The Covid virus is a virus of the imagination. People died from the medical not knowing how to treat a particularly virulent form of flu or cold.

The CDC said that 94% of the deaths were from comorbidities. All this means is that they don't know for sure in many cases why people died.

Load a camel up with too many packs of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.  Then add the Covid straw that broke the camel's back. Did the straw really do it? Or could you have added almost anything - a pebble, a cup of water - and broken the camel's back?

Wake up! The CDC is constantly contradicting themselves. If you want to believe them, you're going to have to believe all kinds of contradicting things. That's what they want you to do... to keep on guessing. The CDC is lying to you.

you really don't know camels...

[Cnut237]

It is odd to see covid denial online but in some cases you could [almost] excuse it, as in: maybe that person lives with a sparse population density, doesn't have extended family or friends? But when the counter research and alternative facts info gets thrown around that's a different story.

There's a pattern in that some of the people (okay, mainly one person) who post unsubstantiated anti-vax stuff aren't interested in a discussion, they just want to create a noise. This is why there are so many threads started with ridiculous sensationalist headlines, and yet when you try to engage them in reasoned debate, or raise the question of evidence or even rationality, they just ignore it and move on, just starting a new thread with some new craziness (which often contradicts their previous nonsense - e.g., Covid doesn't exist, but is simultaneously a huge government eugenics programme). I'm not sure how much is trolling and how much is genuine belief, but the fact that they won't even attempt to engage in debate is telling. Their stock response is often some vague insult. A while ago, one of them decided to mock my ability to use the English language, and did so in a stream-of-consciousness, punctuation-free rant, with a lot of poor spelling and some very 'creative' syntax. This is all they've got.

[af_newbie]

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Skimmed your post enough to remember why I have you on ignore.

Fine.  Let it be a mystery why people laugh at you.

More people should laugh at me: I've said 100 hilarious things on this site and I get nothing  

Don't let it be a mystery to you when the sane people stop responding to you.

Didn't take long to verify that your 'ignore list' thing was another bullshit lie.

By the way, here's a real doctor for anyone who would like to listen to one:  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KF0SbhMBKXQT/

Speaking of one of McCullough's lies:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

The covid-19 virus can spread from asymptomatic people to others.

Stop spreading misinformation about covid-19.

[tvbcof]

Didn't take long to verify that your 'ignore list' thing was another bullshit lie.

By the way, here's a real doctor for anyone who would like to listen to one:  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KF0SbhMBKXQT/

Speaking of one of McCullough's lies:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

The covid-19 virus can spread from asymptomatic people to others.

Stop spreading misinformation about covid-19.

The info about asymptomatic spread was from research prior to the so-called 'vaccine' creating asymptomatic super-spreaders.  And that's the actual sales pitch for the gene therapy they are selling as a 'vaccine'...the truth is even worse.

  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

The truth is that the gene therapy spike protein GMO treatment is re-setting the clock for those who had achieved durable natural immunity so they can get infected again.  Plus the gene therapy tends to hit the previously infected especially hard with adverse reactions duo to some nuances of the immune system.

Worse still, the GMO people create the perfect environment for the rapid evolution of new mutant variants which are needed to get the life-time-of-boosters regimes going which is what Big Pharma needs for maximum profits.  It's also exactly what the Technocracy fascists need for for their totalitarian goals, and they work hand-in-hand to mold the herd.

Thankfully it's easy and safe for a lot of us to just to get the damn common cold and achieve durable immunity to all of the variants these sickened GMO sheeple are pumping out.  Safe too.  So far.

[BADecker]

The time the unvaxxed really have to start worrying is when they start digging the dead - dead, maybe, for hundreds of years... or the dead mummies from Egypt - out of their graves to vaxx them. They'll probably get to the point of vaxxing the ashes of the cremated. Hide your parent's urns.