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Date: October 23
Venue: State Farm Arena, Atlanta

One of the biggest fight AFAIC this year and both boxer's biggest career paycheck as well. Shakur Stevenson will challenge the 130lb belt of veteran Jamel Herring. Shakur is one of Top Rank's prodigy and he is on the crossroad to fight Oscar Valdez in the near future but first he got to take care of Herring first.

Per news, contracts are already been sign but odds on the bookies are not yet out but they will cover this definitely.

What are your prediction on this fight guys?

https://tv5.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/32010447/sources-jamel-herring-fight-shakur-stevenson-oct-23-atlanta

Two pillow-fisted fighters? this will probably go to distance, Herring if I'm not mistaken has won recently so he is the most active between the two. But Shakur is coming up and the younger of the two. Herring doesn't have a good knock out ratio same as Shakur, but he is very technical boxer and he is tall. He will be the underdog in this fight, So I might be leaning towards him by a unanimous decision over Shakur.

I guess we can't expect that the odds will be available soon since the fight is more than a month from now. I don't see anything special on both fighters, even on the undefeated one as they just have an average KO power.

for Jamel Herring , 11-23 only, means 48% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/634455

For Shakur Stevenson 8-16, that's 50% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/790719

I don't want to judge it now, but with that low Ko rate, I think this fight will go to distance.

Wow. This fighters are very tough . I'm anticipating to see who wins

I just want to add, that indeed with a long enough time duration, this is too hasty for us to guess and determine the 50% probability of all the advantages of this boxer. I may not really know exactly where this choice is going.

However, I thank the OP for providing the information beforehand, even if it's too soon. But that way I will have plenty of time to review all aspects of the advantages and disadvantages of both sides.

this is a good match but not interesting enough to see from their boxing record which is almost the same in terms of knockout wins.
but maybe here i think jamel will be a little underdog because of his age and experience, but on the other hand shakur is also very fit especially with his age which is much younger than jamel which will definitely be a bit of an advantage for him.
apart from that I'm actually interested in the distribution of the auction results which is usually 75-25 but in this match Herring will receive 63% pay while Shakur as the challenger gets 37%.

I suggest you start analyzing when the betting odds are available, that information is very important so you will know what people think about this fight. The record will be the main basis of the odds, but there are a lot of factors to consider, and that's what you will find to know who is underrated or who is overrated in this fight.

here's the comparison between the two fighters.

 HERRING VS STEVENSON (https://box.live/fights/herring-vs-stevenson/?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=pmd_NQ05avgatR0KcbSENIctJHBl6BwQ.jSaQgm0aMVno0g-1631303457-0-gqNtZGzNAxCjcnBszQiR)

In boxing a matter of age and experience may be only 10% can be a reference, but you also need to remember when Manny fought Ugas? Doesn't that show that as you get older, your stamina in hitting will decrease and your body will not be as good as when you are at the ideal age?
I think it's too early to draw conclusions as this has a long way to go. one full month. We learn from a boxer, Manny, who is famous for his hard punches, can lose at the end of his career before continuing his presidential candidacy in the Philippines.

It is not a popular boxer but I guess it will get also interested to the people out there.
Shakur Stevenson previously held the WBO featherweight championship and he was depending on it and it was a little bit challenging on the side of Jamel Herring at this time. They are good both fighters and this match is very exciting to see, who is possible in a favor of most bookies on this match?

They are both on the same level I guess considering the records that they have, and maybe not an interesting match to lure more viewers and there’s no odds yet for this one. I’m not familiar with this two, based on their records and the OP, the percentage for a KO match is very low so we will see a head to head match, will try to analyze this one so I can know if its worth to bet next match.

You can watch it via PPV.
As seen in this  article (https://box.live/fights/herring-vs-stevenson/?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=pmd_iEwQKTC32xiQwlPJ5qfpQb9HNYnP4uHoUcGpyc9BZrQ-1631309820-0-gqNtZGzNA5CjcnBszQkl), you can watch it via ESPN+.. I think you need to subscript for a PPV account so you'll be able to watch this fight live.

As of now, there's no betting odds available yet, but you can always check our popular sportsbook here in the forum, I'm sure you are familiar with it if you are betting on sports, if not, you can check their ANN threads in the gambling section.
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^ Which is a perfect match.
But in my own, Shakur is my favorite bet on this match, it could be he has become a multi championship if ever he will be able to defeat Jamel here.
There is a potential that Shakur will win the fight and I think, he will become the most favorable odds in this match. Let us wait for it and for this event and prefer money to bet.

This is more exciting because this match is really unpredictable and anyone can win of course, and I have to agree that Shakur has a chance here to win, this could be a huge win for hime or maybe. I can’t actually wait to see the odds and if it will be available on top gambling site, next month will be a great one again.

Yes, I would say that although this two are US based, not that much hype, because obviously, it's a lower weight. Nevertheless, even if the records of this two are not that good in terms of KO percentage, they could be in stage wherein they can face Oscar Valdez in the near future as the OP said. At least a solid $1 mil for a fighter at this weight class is already high. So let's wait for Valdez to win his fight tonight and then the winner of this fight might face him in the future.

I also do think that Shakur will be the favorite when the betting line open. Shakur is brandish as well, but his lack of ko power is the only thing that will make his name pop up and make some noise in this division. Herring though is battle tested, the ex-Marine have seen it all, so for sure this is a great fight and I would say is going to be exciting as well. Not sure how much is the ticket or the PPV, but I'm not expecting it will be expensive, as this will be good for those who wanted to see Shakur fight.

Both fighters are not top caliber knock out artists but they are bringing something to the boxing community especially to Shakur Stevenson who wants to prove to the boxing community that he can beat opponents like Herring who used to hold a world title, and for Herring who wants to prove that he still has what it takes to become a champion again by beating a good fighter like Stevenson, this is one of the legacy fights for both fighters and they are going to prove something here and that's what makes this fight interesting.

It's an interesting match though some people are underestimating these two. Herring has a good record and he's tough and wild when it comes to the boxing ring. Shakur might just starting his boxing journey yet he also has a huge potential and it could possibly be a tough fight for Herring.

To be honest, I have not seen the two fighters fight I have to dig deep and see the comparison, Shakur is a young fighter but he hasn't fought tough fighters like Herring, Herring is a volume fighter based on some of the highlights of hid fight if fighters do not have a good knock out percentage and they both engage, I expect the fighters who throws a lot and shows aggressiveness to win the fight by decision.

This is not going to be boring fight just because both fighters do not have a good knock-out percentage.

I often see the figure of Stevenson, he has a good career in the boxing arena, but I used to not care about every boxing tournament if the opponent was Stevenson, I was disappointed the last time I watched Stevenson vs. Jeremia until Stevenson was dubbed by many gambling bettors with the title of 'boring' boxer.

If Stevenson wanted to cover up from the boredom and disappointment he once did with fans, he will have to really fight against Jamel Herring next October 23 to get rid of his bad title and clinch a new WBO super title, And it's best if the same thing is done again in the next WBO class, it will be bad for Stevenson in the future in boxing.

I just hope Stevenson is really serious about fighting Jamel Herring this time, otherwise I would never place another bet on Stevenson any time, just a waste of time.

This is will be unpredictable fight because both of fighters record are close/balance, Herring has more experienced and he won TKO from Carl Frampton one of top boxer. While Stevenson has undefeated record and high potential become a professional boxer like Teofimo Lopez. Both of boxer has good dodging skills and not a brawler, that's why the KO rate isn't high and they will play distance.

I guess Herring will be an underdog in this match with slightly favorite.

Indeed, this is a good fight IMO because we can't really know which is better so it's 50/50. I would like to see how accurate Herring's punch hit Stevenson otherwise Stevenson will win because of his domination in the ring.

this is true but at that time manny actually I don't think ugas is an opponent, even though ugas is a substitute boxer but that doesn't cover the fact that manny should have retired at that age (42 years) and i can say manny did something reckless even though indeed he has been constrained by his feet and age, but he insists on fighting, and actually if you look at it from the start, this match will already be clear who the winner is. but here it is different because if we look at the statistics and the available data, the physical condition of a boxer reaches prime condition between the ages of 28 to 35 years.
and when jamel who is now still there I think he still has a good performance starting from maturity in thinking and quite different experience with shakur who is still very young, namely 24 years old, although shakur has achieved many achievements but I think it will be a little different in terms of maturity and experience.

Not per se underestimating but some people just don't see them fight for a long time or they're not that good of a showman which is what some people look for in a bloodsport like boxing. It's a tough fight indeed but we can see experience play a crucial role.

I review some of his fights and he is indeed an overhype fighter, yes he is undefeated but he's been fighting unknown fighters and this fight will finally test him if he is really that good, there are fighters who is good when they faced a dangerous fight, and I'm sure Herring will not let Stevenson use him as a stepping stone for bigger paycheck and fights.

names are not really very popular in boxing. but looking at their records, Herring's age still is 35, and has more experience compared to Stevenson. what makes the fight fair i guess is that Stevenson has a perfect knockout record. I'd probably bet for the ones with more experience if i bet.

i didn't really see any of the fights of the two. but this could be very uncertain to see who will win between the two.

Thanks for this thread, I already saw this one few days ago, just forgot to post it here.

Anyhow, this is good fight at this division, I like Shakur chances so I would say that he can win this fight against the more experience Herring. Yes, they don't have a good record for winning a fight in a knock out fashion, but still Shakur some some technical skills that can offset Herring's physical advantage. Herring though most of the time doesn't know how to take advantage of his height, so it might favour Shakur again. Let's wait for the odds to come out, maybe Shakur will the slight favourite, but not that far.

Indeed, if at first glance this does not attract too many supporters out there, even the news exposure of them fighting before is not on my TV screen. With minimal KOs from both of them, I think this fight is quite balanced. Most of us often miss the less exciting boxing fights to bet on the big Casinos. Even if for this time we have to really analyze both.

It's true, I've searched various boxing betting sites and couldn't find any that open a betting service for this boxing match. Maybe this is because it is not very popular and also still in a fairly light class. Waiting for a few more games to get better, this gives me nothing. I would certainly visit the popular sportsbooks on offer and look for land to bet on.

Even the points you mention cannot guarantee victory, in the ring anything can happen. so we certainly can not predict only with reference data alone. While out there this is considered ordinary manipulation. After all, this fight is not very well known, even when I search the site regarding their bet later in October I will miss it and only receive news from various media articles.

Maybe some of us here don't know these boxers but Shakur Stevenson is one prospect that could dominate the lightweight division in the near future. He is a silver medalist in the Olympics, one of the reasons why many US fans are expecting this guy to be a big name in boxing once he will be paired with big names like Oscar Valdez or maybe Teofimo Lopez in the next few years.

Have read an article saying that both will receive 1.5M USD, if you are not popular in the states you will not receive that kind of amount.

Have seen his fights on Youtube and he is not as good as those named you've mentioned but it's good that he is fighting a fighter like Herring who has a good record and like to engage this is a test for his young career, but I don't think if he wins this fight he will be in the status of Lopez and Valdez, who fought big fights and big names, he needs more big fights he is a very promising boxer though.

I think this will definitely be a good fight to watch... Herring has a little bit more experience and a bit of a weight advantage ...but Shakur has never lost a fight.  ???  I also think Shakur is more hungry for a good win to pave the way for his future fights.

My money is going to be on Shakur Stevenson and it is going to be the battle of the Southpaws (If I am correct, both are Southpaws)  ;D

There will be a lot of pressure on Herring to defend his WBO super featherweight title and Shakur to prove a point... So I cannot wait for this one.  ;)

There is no guaranteed winner in professional boxing but there are clear advantages to some boxers over their opponents. If you put Joshua against Ruiz and he does not take the fight for granted he will win 90% of the time. If you have a boxer that goes in there complacent and overlooking their opponent then that chance reduces by a huge amount but if the world was perfect and you could guarantee which you cannot but if you could that the fighters were both taking it seriously then 9/10 times the better boxer will win. I think Shakur has a better chance here than people are giving him credit for he has never lost a fight and has never looked like he has ever been losing a fight. Every fight he has won almost every round that he has boxed which is not something that many boxers can do. I think he will win this by decision. Jamel might get a knockout if he can land but I think Shakurs ring movement will be to good.

That is, because if you have confidence that a Shakur will be the winner then you can bet on him in the boxing fight later. Maybe even with support you can bet bigger and if there is a casino that features them for betting, you should come and give big bets with all the speculations that you believe in. Even for one minute of the final battle, the possibility of being victorious is always there.

Plenty of time for them to prepare, and of course we bettors have to prepare for this as we should put a bet on this good fight. I was searching for the betting odds but could not find it, probably at this early it's not available yet, I'll wait for next month, 1 day before the fight, for sure the odds will be available. For betting purposes, I have to study these two, and personally, I have not watched any of their respective fight on live TV, so I need to make more research so I'll be able to make a confident bet, whether it's on the favorite or the underdog.

South paw indeed, so there is a clash of styles here, not saying that there could be head butts, but it's possible that we might see accident clash of heads early.

Yes, Shakur is the one looking for big fights in the future, so the pressure is on him to beat the other champion in this division and maybe unify the belt. So this is exciting although their names doesn't ring a bell to a casual fan here.

In other news: Oscar Valdez Calls Out Winner Of Shakur Stevenson Vs. Jamel Herring For Next Fight (https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-calls-out-winner-shakur-stevenson-vs-jamel-herring-next-fight--160519).


So this could be an added motivation for either fighter, because another champion are going to wait for the winner of their fight. Either one of them could be a good match for Oscar Valdez. And the good thing is that the future reunification is easy to make because all of them are under the same banner of Top Rank.

^^ I wonder though, who Oscar Valdez prefers to fight, Herring is tall and lengthy, while Stevenson is almost of his built.

Definitely a Valdez vs Herring/Stevenson is good for the fans and for this weight class as well. It's getting the attention is needed (although in a bad way as Valdez is testing positive), so let's wait for the winner, I might go with Stevenson, as I want him to have a fight with Valdez.

Either of the fighter though, I think Valdez will have an advantage. And maybe this is the reason why he called them after winning a come from behind against Robson.

Both doesn't have the knock out power, they might be technical, but Valdez can adjust, just like in his last fight, wherein he was behind the scorecard by become the aggressor in the middle of the rounds. So for me, there is no preference because it's winnable for him.

Plenty of fights in youtube mate, for sure you will find one and then you can make a good decision as to who you are going to bet in this fight. Shakur Stevenson though might be the odds favorites, so no surprises. This is the best fight in this division, Stevenson rated number 1 and then Herring as 2. And yes, eventually the winner will have to go and test Oscar Valdez.

He can walk through with this fighters because Oscar Valdez has a good defense as well and have power in both hands.


Oscar Valdez can box and play technical too if the fight goes on a chess game. And he is also mentally tough just like what he has shown against Robson. He was behind, so he needs to increase his work rate and then overcome and win. Same thing can happen if he fights Shakur or Herring.

Jamel has been an overachiever in his career. He has accomplished a lot more than somebody with his talent level would be expected. He is a warrior and expect him to make it a competitive fight. Shakur has been compared to Floyd Mayweather Jr. His style is ultra defensive and many would consider him a boring fighter. Herring will have a significant reach and height advantage but Stevenson showed in his last fight he can still box circles around tall fighters. I think the skill of Stevenson will give him the victory.

I've seen Stevenson fight and I don't think comparing him to Mayweather is not justifiable, Mayweather is just too good to compare to Stevenson, Mayweather could be boring but he knows how to hit when to hit and he has a powerful punch, no wonder Mayweather can be considered one of the greatest something that Stevenson lacks, Jamel Herring will be his biggest test if he deserves the comparison.

One thing I've observed about these Olympic medalist boxers is most of them are more defense-oriented like Mayweather and Rigo to name a few. Have watched some of the fights of Stevenson this late and I could say that even though he is not a knock-out artist but his style is very hard to beat.

With Herring as an opponent, this would be his acid test because the former has the experience and length advantage that could pose some problems for him.

Wonder though how bookies will look at this one, I mean who will they put as the favorite to win this one.

Another good fight to come and a challenge for a great prospect like Shakur to pass the great wall of Herring to become one of the high-rank contenders in their current division. I think Shakur Stevenson has some chance to beat Oscar Valdez if they ever have a chance to step together inside the ring because the guy has some serious offensive skill that will break his opponent's defense. I saw it in his last fight I wonder if we can see it again in this upcoming fight.

Yeah, he is too defensive but I don't think that we can compare him to Floyd. It really depend on how defensive a boxer is, Floyd is defensive but he can pull the right hand snap back with perfection, and his counter is very elite. Unlike Rigo or Shakur who can turtle up at the same time not throwing but countering which make the fight very boring.

I still have Oscar Valdez winning against Shakur, Oscar is good at making adjustments, so it ever Shakur play defense, then Oscar will be very aggressive to come some vulnerabilities. And if Shakur wanted to just go and shell himself then he can't win rounds from judges stand point. I agree that Shakur has a chance but it's slim. Aggressor 90% of the time will win fights, just like what we have seen in the Rigo vs Casimero.

Just wanted to share how sicked and wicked Shakur's body shot though,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSNoYNRDbNM

Look at how he time the body shot that took out Felx Caraballo soul in his last fight here. It was perfect that Felix can't get up and was counted out by the referee. Imagine Herring, who is very tall and Stevenson punishing him with the same perfect timing shot like that. So Herring be ready for that kind of attack coming from Shakur because definitely it will hurt.

Mayweather master the art of counter punching which really gives headache to his opponent. He will keeps of defending and allow or attract fighters to keep charging and trying to hit him not knowing that he's just observing and waiting for the right timing to throw his counter and hit them badly.

Unlike Shakur and Rigo, they will keep on hiding and try to throw jabs to move their opponents not a counter that will excite the crowd and let them enjoy if there's a toe to toe counter punching activities, this is where Mayweather have a huge advantage to anyone who are trying to duplicate his style.

Yes, he is sure a big body puncher, so Herring should be preparing for this body shot. I'm been looking at Herring's previous fight and he seems to be good at also countering, specially his uppercut since he is very tall for this weight class. So watch out for his uppercut, he did used it against  Carl Frampton and knock him out with overhand right. So definitely I'm getting more excited to see how the style clashes and who are going to fight Oscar Valdez.

That's one advantage of Shakur if Herring didn't to fight close, as he usually does. He should used his height advantage and reach to jab and keep away from Shakur's body shot. If not then sooner or later it will take the gas out of Herring and it will be decisive if the rounds go to 6 to 10 and then championships round. I think the body shot will be the key to Shakur's victory against Herring in this fight.

The undercards are also interesting to watch out for.
From this article (https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12395834/shakur-stevenson-to-challenge-jamel-herring-for-wbo-super-featherweight-title-on-october-24-live-on-sky-sports), Ali Walsh (the grandson of Muhammad Ali) is one of their undercards.
Can he follow the footsteps of his grandpa?

Anyway, Shakur is the favorite to win here.
Curious where the trash talks will end up in this match.

Oh that's good to hear that Ali's lineage is still in the boxing, have to check Ali Walsh, if he is as good as the greatest of them all.

Yes, Shakur will be the favourite, I haven't heard any trash talk yet, maybe as the fight gets closer, the boxing media will cover more of this fight and maybe we can hear on either side. I'm not sure though if ever can beat Oscar Valdez, but we will see.

this is the problem if you are holding or carrying a name of a famous and most respected Boxer , You are being expected to be more than the man .
but hope that He'll show spectator how good he is .
Most of the boxing coming now has at least Trashtalking before the fight? is this how desperate the promotion that the boxers need to throw words after another to gain popularity ?

But in the end, style makes a fight, if you put two boxers with very similar style like Mayweather and Rigondeaux, you'll get a boring outcome even if the trash talks are personal, trash talks are only good if fighters are ready to engage are proven, warriors and a lot are at stakes on the fight, just like the coming  Alvarez - Plant match, this fight is not very exciting but very interesting to watch on the outcome.

Talking trash somehow brought some interest to the fans to watch the fight to see if you have the skills to back up your words. We may like it or not but that is now the trend and playing saint isn't profitable anymore in this sport.

https://i.imgur.com/hSSN6cB.jpg

By the way, odds are already out in my favorite bookies for this fight, and just like what we expected, Shakur is the huge favorite to win but if you are a Herring fan then these odds are attractive even the ML as Shakur is not yet tested to fight veteran fighters like Jamel.

If you add in the experience, we might see Herring getting the W in this one, I mean yes Shakur is young and spry but if there's not that much experience involved, it's nothing. But no matter what, it's going to be a good fight.

Yes I will also back the experience of Herring than the freshness of youth of Shakur, yes he is skillful and would surely do well and surely it is going to be a very good fight but i will back herring to win this one.

As far as I can remember, reading back the some history of boxing, Muhammad Ali started this trash talking in the sports, an during that time, boxing fans love it. And then it just trickle down to where the state of boxing right now. I guess we can call it normal, I mean you want to get the head off your opponent, so obviously you need to motivate yourself and not mushy mushy. You need to say crazy things to psyche yourself out.

Sometimes though, youth really prevail over experience. So it will be interesting how the fight will turn out. If Herring can use his experience here then maybe he can win by decision. But if Shakur's youth overcome Herring's experience, then Shakur can get a win.

So yes, this is a very good fight, as far as style goes and experience vs youth game.

shakur is the challenger here but bookies are looking at this match that he has the advantage over herring. can herring defend his title? or this much younger opponent can overpower him? maybe this fight will go the distance if both fighters will be cautious with their movements. don't underestimate herring's experience here. age is just a number, still depends on how they prep for this fight.

I would put my money on Herring on this one. He's got the upper hand when it comes to height, reach, and experience.
A former US Marine, for sure that guy is built even harder than Stevenson.
I wouldn't be surprised if this would be Stevenson's first loss. :D

Jamel is more experienced, but in this case Shakur Stevenson is the favorite due to his agility, fast counter-punches, strategical balance between body and head jabs. These elements are all part of his refined admirable technique. Of course experience matters, but even the most experienced masters are defeated someday by younger players who will eventually become masters so experienced like the old ones.

In my opinion Shakur has all the necessary conditions to win this fight since he doesn't underestimate his opponent. That is the biggest mistake an unbeaten athletle can commit.

Odds are now available.

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/herring-jamel-vs-stevenson-shakur-61483dbea96a9f2fa3aa01d0

Herring, Jamel  @5
Stevenson, Shakur @1.14

Looks like the odds is telling that Shakur would win this fight easily, I don't like to bet if no handicap of the fight but it's good to see that the odds are available early so we will know what the bookies think about this fight.

It's a different story in the ring, you can't fight like a Marine in a boxing ring, you're only using fists that's nerfed and buffed in a way and it's not a fight to kill so it would be hard for Herring to not kill Stevenson, although the toughness would definitely be a big help, not to mention the mental acuity of a Marine is something else.

Let's wait for the handicap mate, ML is no good for us. And I don't like the 1.14 odds, for me this fight is going to be close. Maybe a decision win by Shakur will be juicy as compare to ML, or a Herring decision win as well.

Bookies is obviously favouring Shakur because he is undefeated champion. On the other hand, Herring is also very durable and has more experience.

In boxing jamal herring vs shakur stevenson jamal herring is more experienced and popular. Junior lightweight jamel herring and super featherweight are taking part in the big game as champions but he came up with a style clash that could really put the undefeated forme featherweight champion to the test the two men have much heavier hitters, but an authentic boxer named jamel herring who has come this far because of his skill and intelligence in the ring, hinted that he might try to face each other.

Seemingly we have both seen this fight where to end  lol. this will be marked for Stevenson's streak and the Paint in His clean record.

I have been watching Herring's fight for quite sometime and His power and accuracy is indeed cannot be denied .

maybe in the next week the Odds will change and favors Him i guess.

Probably  :), due to the many wars in the ring Jamel Herring got that chance to upset Stevenson but this fight is tailored to make the latter look good in the ring and this is a prelude to Shakur vs Oscar Valdez in the future. Jamel is retiring soon and it could happen after this fight if ever he loses.

Top Rank is grooming Shakur to be one of their elite fighters so he should take care of Jamel with impressive performance for him to be a crowd drawer in his next fights.

And Top Rank is good at grooming their fighters to make them good and become the next cash cow. But it will not that very easy for Shakur in this fight, Herring almost brings his A-game in the table and Shakur shouldn't underestimate him by any means. He needs to focus on the entire fight, not giving Herring some breathing room as he can score points in every round. And to make a statement win, Shakur should try to go for a big one here, so that there will be. a lot of hype when he faces Oscar Valdez.

With that kind of odds, there's a little chance that  Jamel Herring could upset the favorites here, Top Rank knows what they are doing, they'll not go into a fight if their fighter doesn't have the end, and odds don't lie, even if we don't make a research, it's pretty obvious that Shakur would likely dominate the fight.

This is a good test for both fighters for Shakur because he is an up and coming boxer with a good record and of course he wants to carry that record in a title fight and if he wins here he is on a trail in a title fight, for Sherring although an underdog this is a good stepping stone to becoming a popular boxer and will set him up for title match, Shakur is not a sensational boxer like Davis and Garcia but he is a class of his own I'm sure he will dominate this fight.

Both fighters are tough. Their statistics speak for them. With 23 wins for Herring and 16 for Shakur. I expect Shakur to win, his young and still got a lot more to prove despite being the No. 2 in the featherweight division, Herring is also on top of his game and shouldn't be taken for granted.

We can't let the youthfulness of Shakur fool us when it comes to this fight, Herring is more experienced and isn't he from the military too? Pretty sure that the endurance and experience will play a big factor in this match.

If we don't like to get fooled and believe that Jamel Herring will win this fight, then we should take the opportunity to bet on him to get a high odds.
https://www.oddschecker.com/boxing/jamel-herring-v-shakur-stevenson/winner

As you can see, in most bookies, Jamel Herring is +400.

Yes, Herring is a marine, served his country with two tour duties, hence his nickname, "Semper Fi".

So we can say that can only he is physically strong, but mentally as well for being a marine. In any case though, he will be on a tough battle against a youthful Stevenson who has a lot of promises and has been building up his name. And he is targeting another great champion in Valdez but first he needs to get over and win against Herring here.

That's very attractive, there's no reason not to bet on Jamel Herring if we believe in his training and being a former us marine. A young fighter against an experienced fighter, who would you choose? I guess we should go with a more veteran fighter although not undefeated, and the two losses of Jamel Herring were during the early stage of his career.

Yeah, it's really hard to decide right now, the experience of Herring and this total package, he is the taller and have the reach advantage. On the other side, Shakur Stevenson is young and brandish like Casimero and wanted to take all the challenge including calling out Oscar Valdez.

But if Herring is +400, then it might be a good bet if he can executed a perfect game plan of using his reach and jab in the distance and not allow Shakur to throw that body punch which is one of his best weapon.

Well, of course, it's always fun to back the underdog especially if we believe that he has a chance to win, that +400 is a gift, and if we believe that Herring would win, we won't feel bad even if we lose because we did not just follow what other people say, we made our own research and we are confident with our pick.

Sometimes bookies make mistakes in making betting odds, and if a bettor would not make research, they would assume that the heavy favorites will win easily.

I'd second for it, it's interesting to bet an underdog has a good chance to win. It's quite hard to find a balance match, usually most of them were one sided only which almost impossible an underdog will win.
Herring is a good boxer, judging only from the statistic isn't really fair.

I personally would go for Herring in this one. Yes, we should not judge a match based on the players' experience, but comparing overall stuff, I'd bet on Herring. And Herring has got 11 KO's in his 23 wins which is pretty good stats not gonna lie. Meaning he has KO'd his opponent almost every other match. Yes, stats don't speak everything about a player but stats like these are pretty intimidating.

Definitely, Herring is a good underdog in this fight, he always love to be the underdog and then prove everyone wrong by writing him off. Currently he is 5 to 1 underdog, that's a huge gap and if we bet on him and he won, obviously that will be a big windfall for us. Again, was surprised to see him as a huge underdog against Stevenson, but he has a shot to beat the young fighter.

Obviously, he has a chance by looking at his record, he should not be underestimated so the odds that we are currently seeing now might be overvalued. ] Jamel Herring is in 7 consecutive wins and has never lost a fight since 2018, that's a good basis why I'm thinking he could pull an upset here.

Might be good if more odds will be open, currently it's only an ML bet which is available.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/herring-jamel-vs-stevenson-shakur-61483dbea96a9f2fa3aa01d0

^ There are no odds yet for the handicap, we all know that it is too early for bookies but at least ML is available and Herring is a huge underdog as far as betting, 6.x is very attractive indeed.

But the smart money is pouring on Stevenson as early as today, future fights for this kid is really looking good, (Oscar Valdez), but I would agree that this is still a very close fight. Pressure on Shakur, to show us that he is indeed the potential next cash cow.

I'm looking forward to see a good toe-to-toe fight between this two great fighters. Their match records are close to one another, looks like it will be a split decision and not via KO.
Although Jamel Herring has the advantage of this fight with a height (5'10") and reach (183cm) than Shakur Stevenson's height (5'7") and reach (173cm) but I don't think that will count as an odd because they're both known and a great fighter.

Still I want to see this two boxers fight on October 23 this year and it's yet too early to place the odds between these two fighters.

Odds likely is based on the ranking of individual fighters and their achievement in boxing. In this fight, although  Stevenson is the younger fighter and has fewer fights, but the bookies (most likely what people sees) sees him better than Herring, os he is listed as the favorite to win the match.


It doesn't matter if you place or bet now or a day before the fight, what's important is you choose a fighter that you think could win.

in some bookies, it is only 5x now for herring. but bitsler is listing it as 6x. not bad for those who want to bet on him. that's a very good winning in case herring will win. herring has more experience and a good record also. so wondering why bookies are siding heavily on shakur with the odds. is that because of the age factor? but it has been proven that age is just a number in a lot of boxing matches in the previous years. anyway, for those who are rooting for herring, this is a very good chance for you to multiply your bet in case he will win this match.

Most likely because of Shakur's undefeated record and yes, he is very young as compare to Herring.

And I think he is also well-known between the two, that's why sports bookies are favoring him in this fight. But as others said, he is a live dog here,  he maybe 5x-6x but he has shown that he can perform very well when the odds are stack against him. Well yeah, they calling Shakur the next cash cow but he has to get over Herring first before talking about the next champion which is Oscar Valdez.

It should not be an easy fight for Stevenson here, he has to work hard to beat Herring who has a winning streak and I don't see Stevenson here knocking out Herring, this fight could go to distance and it will be unpredictable on who will win but betting on the underdog with huge odds, you'll likely get the advantage in a close fight.

No fight is easy in boxing as upset could happen, just like the fight of Pacquiao vs Ugas, who would have thought that the substitute of Spence would dominate the 8-time division world champion? That's the proof that as long as the boxer makes himself ready by training hard, anything could happen as though champion, they are still human and they have weaknesses as well.

I also don't see a knock out, Shakur and Herring doesn't have the power, not saying that they are weak, but if you look at their records most of their wins are by decision.

So I expect the same, although Shakur is the favorite base on the odds, it's not going to be easy for him. Herring is really a live dog, but Shakur is very ambitious as he is looking for the next big fight. So again, he needs to go past Herring first, maybe by a unanimous decision, but maybe the score will be very close.

Basing from the records, both are capable of winning with a KO. Shakur has 8 out of 15 while Herring has 11 out of 23, though not really that explosives but if preparations are right, both fighters can be more aggressive to win over another. Like what you have said, Shakur is very ambitious. He will try to dominate and impress everyone to have more big fight.

He will try to continue keeping his winning records, making sure that he will take care of Herring. While on the other side same thing, with the other camp, Herring will also do his best to break Shakur records.

Herring has really shown his best performance in the match held in Dubai. Herring has said its going to be a biggest test to Stevenson. A determined champion is really tough to be faced by the 24 year old Olympic silver medalist Stevenson. As you said yes, its going to be tough. Besides this, its going to be their day as they will earn $1.5M which is their top most career paydays. Awaiting to watch their game on 23rd October. 

Nice amount, is it the total purse in this fight, I guess with that big purse this will be considered as one of the biggest fights this year. By the way, do we have some source on that so I can read more information about that particular purse, I would appreciate it if you'll share a link. 

Sure. Was looking for page where exact info is shown on it so it got delayed. Hope the link https://www.espn.in/boxing/story/_/id/32010447/sources-jamel-herring-fight-shakur-stevenson-oct-23-atlanta should provide you the needed information. I am looking for other pages, will provide you the same if I find any.

I don't think this fight will surpass the recent Fury - Wilder fight in terms of entertainment and heat. Judging by the statistics, bookmakers are expecting Stevenson to win by a wide margin. Stevenson is much younger than Herring and even though he's fought fewer fights in his career he still hasn't been beaten. I like Herring better but I think the risks are too high to bet on him.  

Thanks for the information mate, I can't believe the high figures while I was thinking of the Casimero vs Butler fight where the champion would only earn less than $100k in that fight. https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/10/7/22715095/probellum-wins-john-riel-casimero-vs-paul-butler-purse-bid-targets-december-11-boxing-news-2021

That was a championship fight as well, I mean, how come other division or fighters are guaranteed with a huge amount of money while some only receive a small amount although the fight is happening in the US?

Bookies have placed Shakur Stevenson as the favorite maybe because of age and a bit of disparity in talent, I mean Shakur is now groomed to be one of Top Rank's cash cows being an olympian there is always hype on him.

But bookies could also be wrong because as far as I remember with the Herring vs Carl Framton fight, they also have placed the latter as the favorite but Herring defeated Carl so that was sort of an upset. With Shakur not so experienced yet I think the chance of an upset is high so that 6.xx odds is so tempting and attractive.

Yup, that's it mate, we all know how good Top Rank is promoting their fighter, to be the next cash cow like Shakur. But the kid doesn't have the knock out power though, and I see this as "issue" for him to be the next cash cow.


Correct, he was the underdog with the Frampton fight, but he completely annihilate and score knock downs and win the fight with stoppage if my memory serves me right. So that 6.x odds is very attractive specially for those who love to go on the underdogs.

Well it must be recognized that the WBO Junior weight champion is going to make himself felt, and apparently the WBO will not stop anything this time, his main contender Shakur is the first time he will face in a massive place, not bad for him The beginning of the great for this boy, if things go well it will be unforgettable for the boy, although the bookmakers give more probability for him, he could not underestimate Jamel, because defending the title is something imperative, at the moment I wouldn't know who to bet on .... I think the nverbs can betray Shakur.

That is not a knockout fighter, it should be at least 70% and higher to say that a boxer is a knock out artist. So I'm not seeing a knock out is going to happen in this fight, but I wouldn't say that they have a good chin too. Don't get me wrong, both are good champions, but they are not in the breed wherein they can be the A-side. I think Oscar Valdez is still the king of this division until proven otherwise by Stevenson.

Not much worth to bet on Shakur as it is only x 1.1x, whereas for Herring, you can have x5 of your bet if in case, he can pull this off. So it is understandable if people will bet on Herring for potential good winnings. Or better yet, place bet on the over/under money line, which is better than 1.1x

Odds for Herring to win ML increases to 7 as of this writing and if you are a risk-taker then this is an attractive odds while if you are a whale then betting for Shakur Stevenson via Decision @1.80 is not bad either as we all know that Shakur is not heavy-handed and the possibility of this fight reaching the full 12 rounds is very high.

More markets/options on how to bet below, take your pick now guys  8).

https://i.imgur.com/qzAM1fJ.jpg

Nice we have another interesting fight this weekend and it will be another war inside the ring again since Shakur is on his way to prove his worth and pushing his record to become one of the best professional boxers in the world. But first, he needs to defeat Herring first before getting a chance to fight the top contender in their weight division. I wonder if he can easily defeat Jamel Herring and if he can really use the overpowering skill to knock him out in the early round.

Draw and Herring to win by decision, I think both of these odds are really attractive. This could be a close match between the two although Stevenson here is heavily favored to win, the Herring has not experienced losses anymore in the past fights. Time to take a risk here, and if you are a risk taker, go with the underdog.

Yes, you are right, sometimes it is not worth betting on shakur, all the statistics do not favor him, although to tell the truth many times the numbers can fail, from a sporting point of view, I know that when one prepares very well for a fight , the result is usually quite good regardless of the probabilities, that means that a very strong training day and night very hard can surprise even the best boxer with the most experience, also I have seen that Shakur has a lot of speed for the blows What can fail him is strength, and I think that is the point that can make him lose.

Thanks mate, yeah I agree that a Herring to win ML is also attractive but it is a bigger risk.

And it's good to see these betting options already, we just need to be smart where to put our money here. Of course, there are a lot of fights this year that a underdog won, like Garcia vs Martin, Mikey was like 20-1 favorite but he was upset. So I'm just saying that Herring is a live underdog and can pull an upset if Shakur is not very careful in this fight.

For sure both fighter are preparing for this big fight, statistics sometimes may not properly justify the full potential of a fighter and some statistics are overrated might as well to look back for the video of a fighters past and recent fights and assess what does the fighter really capable of and not capable of inside the ring whoever the opponents that he may fight in his future fights. But past records of a fighter could be also a good basis for finding which one does good for betting too. However looking at the fighters I think Herring did say it right that their fight will be a hard fight for Stevenson/

Of course, he would say that because he is confident that he will win the fight, however, the bookies will only base the odds on what people think about this fight and I'm sure they'll ask all the fans about this fight, the majority will favor Stevenson, but it doesn't mean he is guaranteed to win, that's why as a better we are gambling on that possibility.

Honestly, this match is really exciting as although we have a clear favorite to win here but most of us here believe that Herring can pull an upset. I don't know if I can watch this fight live but I'll try to find a way to watch its streaming if it's available.

I hope someone would share some link, paid or free once this fight will happen.

Here's some information, I don't know how to avail of the subscription.

https://www.fightmag.com.au/2021/10/18/jamel-herring-vs-shakur-stevenson-tickets-how-to-watch-start-time-undercard/

Herring vs Stevenson UK date and time is Saturday, October 24 at 3:30 am BST. Fans can watch the fight live stream on Sky Sports.

We have seen a lot of upsets this year, so for me, don't get too comfortable that the favorite will win here.
We can check what kind of preparation they are doing, if there's any.
Sometimes fans will post in YT or maybe those who are writing articles about them.
But this will be in few days, for those who want to bet, place your bets now.

Both boxers have a popular and reputable name in the industry. Herring and Stevenson have a nice track record which makes their upcoming match more exciting and thrilling to watch. Recently, Stevenson provoked Herring by saying some unnecessary statements. He really wants to troll Herring by saying that everything he does is much better than what Herring does and he will do anything to take Herring's belt away.

Despite this, Herring remained calmed and focused on his goal which is the upcoming match. Herring said that he experienced and he heard much worse things than those and boxer is his way of escape. Which indirectly implies that he can overcome. Hopefully, they'll give us a spectacular fight to watch this coming October 23 which is only a few days from now. I believe the battle scoring will be close as both parties are determined to win the belt and title.

The fight will only be concluded after the last bell. There is no assurance if whoever will win, even bookies, favors the fighter. We already seen lots of upsets. Maybe one side can dictate that they can beat the other, fighter but it can only be proven when they meet and fight the outcome will tell the story.

Most of the time, gamblers love to pick within their instinct they not following the bookies, but find the way to analyze well and pick the right side to win their bets.

Or gamblers love to pick the underdog because of the huge pay.

As others pointed out, Herring is no stranger for being the underdog and then beating the odds against him. Shakur might be young, but it's not an assurance that he can win against a well tested and durable Herring who have been fighting the whole of his life, literally as a soldier. And if we take that chances for him, maybe underdog bettors will have a huge windfall if he upsets Stevenson in this fight.

There's already a lot of betting options in this fight from sportsbet.io

Totals:
Over 10.5 -1.46
Under 10.5 2.70

Winner & exact rounds and Winner & round range are also available.

So it's time now to put our bet on this fight, unfortunately, I haven't decided yet, I'm thinking of Herring winning as a underdog, but Shakur Stevenson is also a durable fighter. Totals might be good as Over, but the odds are not that attractive to me.

Thanks, good to see more markets in this fight are already available.

I like the underdog as well and I think I'll go with the under 10.5 since it's a bit 2.70 odds and I still have a price boost so it could increase.
Sometimes I feel the excitement more on betting the underdog especially on decent fighters and the odds are very attractive.

Herring to win at 7.40, who's with me here?

I may bet for Herring here as well and i'll go with ML and a few dollars for him to win by decision but IMO going for under 10.5 is not a good idea since both fighters don't have a good knockout ratio in their records, though anything can happen I think not this time on the career of Herring. As I've said before that this fight is for Stevenson to look good and increase his market value in the future but thus far, Herring is the most experienced fighter he will be facing and might ruin his career  ;D.

Is this fight happening tomorrow or the day after tomorrow?

Can't wait to see this fight, I like the underdog price and I like that most of you here believe an upset would happen.
At 7.40 and 10.5 for winning via decision, I think it's nice to just put a bet on tow lines so regardless on how Herring would win the fight, we are guaranteed to be a winner.

^^ Usually Sunday PH time mate, so we still have a lot of time to get our bets in this match.

And I do agree that over 10.5 might be a good bet as the two fighters doesn't have that knock out power. So it will be another chess match, Herring being good as the fight progresses so it's really good to bet on him even at ML with that 7.x odds.

I hope there's free live streaming on this, yes, I believe this will be on Sunday and you know, Sunday is family time but you can't want this in our local channels so live streaming would be helpful. Sometimes we have free facebook live but the audio is not good and there are interruptions, so it would not really give us the entertainment we like to experience.

I'm also looking for that, lol.. I don't want to pay for the subscription, I am just relying on the free feed as instead of paying, why not just use the money to bet, besides, if we can't watch it live, we can always catch them on the reply.  :)

I used to post links for free live streaming here but the site for that one is taken down. Facebook live can be a good use sometimes but oftentimes the reception is not that good so I'm looking to subscribe to a site that offers sports like boxing and basketball in one, anyone got an idea on where to subscribe for these sports?

I have no idea if for basketball it's usually through NBA TV and for boxing, usually, it's for ESPN +.  Maybe if you have an account in a sportsbook that offers live betting, you can see the fight live without paying, I think stake.com offers free live streaming, you can check it out https://promotions.stake.com/live-streaming/.

Although I love my boy Shakur Stevenson, but with Herring's attractive odds, I just decided to put some money on Jamel to somewhat pull an upset:

https://i.imgur.com/Tvulhjv.png

Odds are too good to be true to pass even at ML. So goodluck to everyone, Herring looks ready and so his is team as they have already devised some plan against Shakur because they are very much familiar with the kind.

Unfortunately, most of us here used Facebook, but lately it was no longer viable as it was being cut for violation of TOS.

And most of the time I don't like those supposedly free streaming, because it is loaded by malvertisement and maybe it will hurt our pc/laptop. And we don't what to our hardware to be infected by this malwares. Hopefully though someone will post it reliable links here,  ;D

I'm so happy that we have the same pick bro, I agree it's just too attractive to bet for Herring not only because of the tempting odds but this is also an acid test for the young career of your boy Shakur. Herring is taller than him and experience may matter in a fight where a knockout is a slim possibility.



@Natalim, thanks for this mate. I'll gonna try and see if this will work.

Here's the link for the official weigh-in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcpe1pJDsag

Go forward to 16:22 for Stevenson and Herring.

Stevenson - 130 lbs
Herring -129.8 lbs

And probably be rehydrating 10 lbs after the final weigh-in. Shakur keeps flexing, while Herring is very cool with the belt on his shoulder. And as I have said previously, look at Herring's camp they know Shakur's trainer very well. And Shakur is the first one to crack, touching Jamel's belt, lol.

Thanks,  Jamel Herring is the defending champion here and yet he is a heavy underdog, as I checked on my bookie the odds now for Herring is already 8.20, I don't know what's happening, could it be a gift or just a trap so people will find it attractive?

It could be a trap, but then again, as you have said, he is the defending champion here so it's absolutely nuts to see him as the underdog against Shakur who hasn't been tested although there is a lot of hype around this kind. Maybe bettors really put all their money on Shakur as the ML is only 1.06. Hopefully we can see some upsets to shake up this division again.

It could be a trap or not, but with that very attractive odds for the champion, I think there's no need to think twice, just take it and enjoy the fight. At 8.20, you can put $100 and you'll get a return of $820, or maybe increase that a bit to get at least a thousand dollars if Herring will be successful in defending his title.

I can't find any live streaming, but I read in the news that Evan Holyfield, the son of legendary heavyweight Evander Holyfield just knock out his opponent, Charles Stanford cold in the second round.

So another fighter worth watching for in the future and hopefully, he can live up to this father's name in boxing (except for the peds,  ;D).

Shakur Stevenson is just too quick for the old Herring  :). The accumulation of punches was too much that the referee have to stop the fight in the tenth round. Lost my bet but it's worth a try and most of us here are right, Stevenson is not a heavy puncher though he offset that by good defense and the volume of punches.

Good fight though by Stevenson and I think he is ready for Oscar Valdez, hope Bob Arum will work on that as soon as possible.

Too bad for Herring he got cut in his right eyebrow, from that he can't afford punches from Stevenson. Almost Herring's punch got dodged by Stevenson, that's make Stevenson more confident to punch Herring. He such a talented kid, no doubt why he's favorited in this fight even though he's a challenger.

Right, Stevenson was too fast for Herring, the right jab started the tempo for Shakur and Jamel wasn't able to recover from that because he was damage early. And his defense is good as well as he dodge a lot of shots of Herring throughout the fight. The referee really needs to step up because it's a one side beating coming from Stevenson. Too bad for bettors who is looking for a Herring upset tonight.

Yeah, Shakur looks for very sharp from the get go, and he seems to be the bigger guy as he dictated everything and Herring has no answer even though his corner says that he needs to commit. Hopefully he can bounce back from this poor performance and I give credit for Shakur for showing a better version of himself every fight. Time to setup a fight with Oscar Valdez now since he has a belt now.

Unfortunately, we lost our bet mate, but it's good though, just part of the game. Shakur is really special, I mean he improves a lot from his last showing.

Exactly, Stevenson vs Valdez needs to happen next year, all in-house money for Top Rank here so hopefully they won't delay this fight as this will be good as both are in their primes and we will know who is the best in this division.

Great performance indeed for Shakur he targetted the cut and succeeded doing that he has good movement and made Jamel miss a lot

Not really an excellent fight because there's a lot of clinching going on but still a good fight and Shakur great performance show up halfway in the fight going to be a good fight if the Valdez fight becomes a deal

Shakur was too much for Herring, I was not expecting that Herring did not have an answer on Shakur's attack, he maybe have a strong chin that he would not go down but the ref saw that he was not anymore responding to the punches of Stevenson, so instead of increasing the damage, the ref decided to stop the fight and declare Stevenson the champion, he is now a two-division world champion, congrats to him.

They won't allow any site to provide a free stream and that's the reason they will try all the tactics to take down the sites who are illegally producing the live event.
Shakur Stevenson convincingly overcome Jamel Herring in the 10th round and claimed the title of junior lightweight champion. That is a amazing performance by a 24 year boxer who beat  Herring , a 35 years old & much experienced.

yes, there's no free streaming site now unlike before, even on the NBA games, I don't see any free streaming sites anymore.



The line was indeed a trap, I took that line for Herring but I did not even see him having a chance on that fight, anyway, that's part of gambling, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

He really put in a clinic, a show for his fans and his detractors as well. Now that he step up and beat the champion, Stevenson might get the some respect now. I really thought that it will be a close fight, but it was so lopsided that the referee needs to stop is because Herring has nothing to offer. I just gave him one round or probably two and then its all Stevenson until that stoppage.

The referee's decision is right and on time there are too many punches going to the head and face of Herring and the referee sense that he cannot win anymore because he is now defensive and lack the snap on the punches.
He is a now daring Valdez for a unification which is good this is a year of unification I'm sure promoters will make this fight happen, that's going to be interesting.

Definitely, with what Shakur Stevenson showed in this fight, he will surely get a good fight and it's always fun to see a unification fight of champions that are matched with each other, unlike Herring who was just standing and receiving the punishments from the young Shakur. I think after the fight he thought of retiring as he was not able to give a good competition despite being a champion.

It's a battle between undefeated champions, should be a big fight to watch for.

Pretty obvious that Herring doesn't have answer's to Shakur offense, and even if he tries to get closer and have 2-4 combinations, he either misses it or it hit Shakur but with no effect because his punch doesn't have that snap.

Valdez has been calling him as well, so the feeling is mutual. It's just up to their promotional company Top Rank to set it up and satisfy both camp regarding the money and let's see who is the best at 130 division with all the belts in line.

Money is the most important as promoters would risk their fighters' undefeated record in this possible match.

I guess this fight would be one of the biggest next year if it will happen, not expecting this year anymore as there's no time but early next year, that would be a good schedule.

As the year is ending, we already witnessed a lot of good fights this year but there's still more fights to watch for before the end of the year.

Herring was hurt by the volume of punches that Shakur unloaded and he had no answer for that.

Shakur Stevenson vs Oscar Valdez, just like the Manny Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight back then where one is a defensive genius while the other is a knock-out artist, who will prevail  :). I'm excited about this fight, I know this will happen soon because like what you have said the feeling is mutual, they want to face in the ring.   

Time to lock the thread guys and as usual thanks for your comments about the fight and congrats to those who won their bet, till next time.