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Title: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 01:27:51 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 03, 2021, 02:42:35 PM
About the humanity perspective, it is laudable to see the interest towards helping the human race but I have to say that no amount of money or support that will take away hunger in the world otherwise government also can do that with policies but no matter how good policies have been, it won't be enough to take away hunger. In Nigeria in example  there is SAP that was introduced by the military regime (name intentionally withheld), the SAP (Structural Adjustment Program) was meant to take care of economy by providing loans and trade cum businesses through IMF but it failed to actualize the dream to cut down poverty as the end goal.

Other wealthy business gurus have supported humanity and troubled countries in war like bill gates but poverty is still persisting. So I don't see how the issue of world poverty can adequately be solved , it can only be alleviated.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Jawhead999 on November 03, 2021, 02:54:00 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: YOSHIE on November 03, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
I've read the news, you can also see on YouTube Elon Musk's interview with members of the United Nations on CNN.

From the interview it can be concluded as follows.
https://zizihub.com/fac17.jpg
Elon Musk says he'll sell Tesla stock to solve world hunger if UN shows how money is spent (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6235913001)

I think if the world needs funds from the wealth of the people/companies on the list, including Elon, to tackle world hunger, they are ready to give a small part, to the problem of hunger, with the $309 billion that Elon currently has, without having to sell any specific assets, The profit from Bitcoin alone is enough for that problem, overcoming world hunger should be proud for: satoshi who have created Bitcoin, can certainly solve the problem of world hunger through Elon Musk.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Mauser on November 03, 2021, 03:35:24 PM

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?


This news seemed to be a bit out of context, because the UN world hunger relief fund already gets more than 6 bn USD. So the question would be if an additional 6bn would solve the world hunger problem. I believe this one time payment would help short term but not solve the problem. Its a nice gesture of Elon Musk to consider it but he said he would only do it if they show how the money is spend and not just being missused for other purposes.
The UN is very beaucratic and likes to pay high salaries to its employee. How much of the 6bn would actually get to the poor people in need? If we could use the money to build new farms and plant new crop than it could make a big difference in a couple of years, but there needs to be more money to maintain such farms and create a distribution network so the food goes directly to the people in need.
I would suspect more people are willing to give money to such a good cause if there would be better supervision on how their donations are being spent.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Lucius on November 03, 2021, 03:46:28 PM
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?

The media, and EM itself, have misunderstood what WFP Director David Beasley said - it's not that $6 billion can solve world hunger, it's a drop in the ocean of real needs - because at least half of the world's people don't have enough food. He stated the following :

Beasley said that a combination of COVID-19, regional conflicts and climate crises has led to more than 40 million people being on the brink of starvation and that billionaires could give $6 billion to ease the crisis.

The fact that some people put together billions they can’t realistically spend on their lives, and on the other hand, tens of thousands die every day because they don’t have a piece of bread speaks volumes about the world we live in. If I were so rich no one should publicly call me out for donating something, a normal person sympathizes with people in need.

It takes about $20 to feed one child at school every day throughout the year - yes, you read that right, and through Mary's Meals (https://www.marysmeals.org/) program, more than 2 million children in the world are fed that way. If you want to do something, don't wait for the rich to act according to their conscience - if they had it, the world would be a much better place to live.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: fiulpro on November 03, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
One should understand the fact that this is theory.
When we talk about practical application, we would know that, corruption, bad government, people they all have tons  of influence on this thing. Plus we cannot really evaluate world hunger in that way.

Elon Musk might be willing to, but how does he plan on getting the money where it's supposed to be ? That's the whole point. Plus at the same time even though what's already already given to countries and the UN is way enough but the reason the problem is still there is they are not able to solve the corruption and get the whole thing coordinated.

How about Elon Musk gives this much? We all see where it's used since he uses bitcoins?
Plus they make the transactions private and we can see where it's going, to the exact place and person. But would they do it ? I don't think so.



Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Sterbens on November 03, 2021, 05:09:46 PM
We've discussed it in my thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366344.msg58212904#msg58212904), that this really has to be addressed right? in the end the rich should really care about what's going on out there, wealth for economic equality. The gap that the conglomerates need to think about, the rich are more concerned about how to provide a better life opportunity for those in need. But it's not enough just Elon Musk, of course people like Jeff Bejoz, and all ranks of the richest people must take part. The UN has already given this advice and is just responding. It took 2% of all their total wealth to be given to the hungry.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: NeuroticFish on November 03, 2021, 05:19:31 PM
Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.

While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert.
There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: btc_angela on November 03, 2021, 05:21:32 PM
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?

I think that number is wrong, or it could have been misinterpret by the media. And I don't think that with just $6 billion, we will solve world's hunger, and I would say that there are no exact data for it. Every day there could be more people who needs to eat or can't even have a decent meal because of several reasons.

How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

And if Elon Musk sell his Tesla share and have his $6 billion ready for UN’s World Food Programme, the question is will people gonna glorify Elon Musk?

The Gates family has had philanthropy works for decades now and yet they remain low profile. And even after their divorce, it still continue up to this time.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LoyceV on November 03, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39.
That seems about right to solve world hunger - for a day.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: xSkylarx on November 03, 2021, 05:46:11 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39.
That seems about right to solve world hunger - for a day.

hahaha agree for a day, but it will take another 6 billion to solve the hunger problem by the next day. Since it is not just about giving them money and expecting them to solve their hunger problems, but also about teaching them how to make money or earn an income, I believe this type of problem is extremely difficult to resolve. It is extremely difficult to solve when we are constantly giving them money and expecting them to do nothing, in my opinion. That is the most common reason why some people remain impoverished: they do not put forth any effort and are extremely lazy.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: mu_enrico on November 03, 2021, 05:48:48 PM
You mean Elon Musk using 2% of his net worth for marketing? You know you can donate anonymously.
Anyway, we can't solve world hunger with charity. Better use the money to research a pill (or whatever) that can suffice human nutrition and make them full for a day.
Or create mega farms and employ locals.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LoyceV on November 03, 2021, 06:08:19 PM
teaching them how to make money or earn an income
Haven't "we" tried that for the past half century already? I'm pretty sure it's not going to change it, and there will still be hunger 50 years from now.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: rosenbauer02 on November 03, 2021, 07:22:15 PM
Why not musk give money to those who can't afford to buy food everyday for starting their own store even if it's small for them to earn money from time to time?. This is the same as what jawhead999 said about teach a man to fish than give a man fish but the difference is that musk will give money to let them have small store. Other than that, I don't have anything else to say. This problem is quite a long problem to solve.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dunfida on November 03, 2021, 07:37:57 PM


What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Its his money then let him be because if this is just 2% of his total wealth then it wouldnt really be that a big issue if he donate 6B for this global problem but somehow this amount would really be a great help but doesnt mean that this would totally solve out this problem that we are facing through ages.
As popular bloats out then expect for this problem to get even more worst but at least this is really a good move made by Elon, dont know if theres
some agenda behind but this still a good deed and its not a small amount to donate if you do ask me.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Congyang on November 03, 2021, 07:56:24 PM
$6 billion is indeed quite a large amount of money but on the other hand there are very many people who are affected by hunger, maybe even that number is not enough to make hunger overcome.
on the other hand I really appreciate what Elon has done.
this is a very nice thing a billionaire does.
and now they must be able to create a system that is transparent in distributing the assistance, because of course there are some people who will abuse this.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: hatshepsut93 on November 03, 2021, 08:09:37 PM
World hunger is generally not a problem of lack of resources, it's a problem of delivering those resources. Hunger these days happens in heavily corrupt failed states, warzones, totalitarian countries like North Korea - all those places where you can't just come and hand out food freely even if you had unlimited resources.

So I found these comments about Elon Musk's net worth extremely dishonest, especially when they come from a person who is supposed to be an expert on world hunger.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: arallmuus on November 03, 2021, 08:11:05 PM
and now they must be able to create a system that is transparent in distributing the assistance, because of course there are some people who will abuse this.

Right, Elon made this as the requirement wasnt him. Pretty sure that this is going to be hard and even if somehow this transparent system is completed then it might take years before it is fully operational. I kinda feel that in the end, Elon is not gonna donate his money because this transparent system cant be created in a whole corrupted governmental system

Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39.
That seems about right to solve world hunger - for a day.

Is this number included the distribution fee needed to distribute all those 'foods' worldwide? The number could be way higher though

don't wait for the rich to act according to their conscience - if they had it, the world would be a much better place to live.

Instead of doing this, the 'elites' decided to create a special trip for people to go to space and trying to colonize Mars. This is meant for sarcasm lol


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Congyang on November 03, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
and now they must be able to create a system that is transparent in distributing the assistance, because of course there are some people who will abuse this.

Right, Elon made this as the requirement wasnt him. Pretty sure that this is going to be hard and even if somehow this transparent system is completed then it might take years before it is fully operational. I kinda feel that in the end, Elon is not gonna donate his money because this transparent system cant be created in a whole corrupted governmental system

Even if the intentions are good, in the context of distributing funds, it will be very hampered because there are definitely bad people who take advantage of this for their own benefit.
and the concept of transparency is currently not clear what it will look like.
I hope this will be done well even though it can't solve the world hunger case but it will be very useful for those in need.
at least this will lighten their load a bit even if it does have a slight impact


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: paxmao on November 03, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
...
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
...


No, it takes much less. Enough to buy a few billion condoms. It does not matter how much you invest in agriculture, clean water, means of production or infrastructure - in the end, there is a limit to the number of people any system may support and the reason for hunger is not as much too little food as it is too much people.

It is a cultural issue I think, many people associate having many children to wealth and prosperity or they are used to loosing quite a few before they are old and, on top, do not have the means or the education to plan their family size. Once that happens, we can start talking about giving aid in the form of food.

. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


Teach a man to wear a condom and he will not need to fish that much.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Silberman on November 03, 2021, 09:49:49 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Most likely they are talking about momentarily solving the issue, after all while 6 billion is a lot of money for I think all of us, when it comes to feeding so much people those funds are going to get depleted fast, if Elon actually goes through this he will gain the respect he lost from me when he began to try to manipulate this market, but we must understand that a world problem like famine is not something that easy to solve that you can just throw money at it and solve it, because if that was the case then the issue would have been solved long time ago as governments have been throwing money at it for a long time and the problem is still there.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dbc23 on November 03, 2021, 10:21:36 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
True the fraction might not solve the world's hungry population but a single man (musk) donating $6 billion from selling his Tesla shares indicates a heart for humanity. Only if we can afford more selfless individuals like him we might end up conquering more and feeding even greater population but trust me this would go a long way to reducing the population from 811 billion


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Shasha80 on November 03, 2021, 10:38:54 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
True the fraction might not solve the world's hungry population but a single man (musk) donating $6 billion from selling his Tesla shares indicates a heart for humanity. Only if we can afford more selfless individuals like him we might end up conquering more and feeding even greater population but trust me this would go a long way to reducing the population from 811 billion

What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated, although I admit it does not solve the problem of the world's hungry population.
But what Elon Musk is doing might help alleviate the problem of a population that is experiencing hunger, and also don't underestimate the effect
that occurs, there could be other rich people who donate money because they see what Elon Musk has done. It is not as easy as turning the palm of
the hand to solve the problem of hunger in the world. But at least Elon Musk is moving to help than other people who can only comment without
doing anything. Even though I don't like Elon Musk, I have to commend what Elon Musk has done. It's true that helping hungry people is not enough
to give them money, but giving them the skills and motivation to make money is much more helpful. Therefore, the problem of hunger in the world is
quite complicated, many parties must be involved to solve it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: tippytoes on November 03, 2021, 11:53:53 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
True the fraction might not solve the world's hungry population but a single man (musk) donating $6 billion from selling his Tesla shares indicates a heart for humanity. Only if we can afford more selfless individuals like him we might end up conquering more and feeding even greater population but trust me this would go a long way to reducing the population from 811 billion

What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated, although I admit it does not solve the problem of the world's hungry population.
But what Elon Musk is doing might help alleviate the problem of a population that is experiencing hunger, and also don't underestimate the effect
that occurs, there could be other rich people who donate money because they see what Elon Musk has done. It is not as easy as turning the palm of
the hand to solve the problem of hunger in the world. But at least Elon Musk is moving to help than other people who can only comment without
doing anything. Even though I don't like Elon Musk, I have to commend what Elon Musk has done. It's true that helping hungry people is not enough
to give them money, but giving them the skills and motivation to make money is much more helpful. Therefore, the problem of hunger in the world is
quite complicated, many parties must be involved to solve it.

But Elon has not given the money yet. He is still asking if they can show how $6B can resolve world hunger problem and he is more than willing to share some of the Tesla shares. We know that amount can't totally eradicate world hunger problem but at least he is willing to shell some of his wealth to address this problem. If more wealthy people will contribute their shares, I believe, a lot will benefit from it. And maybe, create jobs for these people rather than hand out those few bucks to each of them. Think of long-term solution not a band-aid solution.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: blockman on November 03, 2021, 11:58:45 PM
It won't solve world hunger, it will only solve a few days of hunger and that's just a band-aid and temporary solution. This UN food official is just taking the attention of Elon.
What's with Elon's responsibility for doing that? They're the ones on the ground and they've been doing all sort of these donations for so many years and yet hasn't solved the world hunger. Well, Elon took the challenge but with a condition, I doubt that UN will take that condition then.

What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated
He didn't give any money, he has accepted the challenge and will give the amount if there's an accounting and liquidity record for that money.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: stompix on November 04, 2021, 01:10:33 AM
Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.

While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert.
There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though.

Then instead of giving them fish give them a fishing pole.
If they are in the middle of the desert instead of giving them food each year making them depend on help invest that money in irrigation and agricultural gear.
The Netherlands has 1/10 of the arable land Niger has with almost the same population but they are one of the largest exporters of food!

And all this thing about poeple in poor regions not having enough food brings the one really interesting question, how have these poeple survived till date without food wand how is that there are still millions of them and still multiplying at insane levels, for example in Mali with a  fertility rate of 5.6 or Niger at 6.8? What have these poeple done before the UN was even created?


What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated
He didn't give any money, he has accepted the challenge and will give the amount if there's an accounting and liquidity record for that money.

This brings up something very interesting!
He went to the interview on CNN , made this claim on how billions would help the poor yet when asked how he would do so and he came with this:
https://www.wfp.org/stories/assisting-42-million-people-edge-famine

Sorry but if this is the result for which the WFP pays 180 million a year (https://executiveboard.wfp.org/document_download/WFP-0000025382) , from which 40$ millions are on "consultants" the problems is somewhere else


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Darker45 on November 04, 2021, 02:26:26 AM
Helping to save 42 million people who are suffering from famine is not the same as solving world hunger. Famine is more or less a severe phenomenon and it could perhaps be solved with that huge amount of money from Elon, but will it be enough to completely address world hunger? I don't think so. World hunger could only be addressed by exterminating poverty, which I believe is impossible.

$6 billion could feed 42 million people suffering from famine but only for some time. Will it be sustainable? I don't think so. Will it transform these people into productive, self-sustaining, and resilient communities? I don't think so. Famine is recurring. While there should be an immediate response to it, the long-term solution should be given more priority.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: noorman0 on November 04, 2021, 06:13:23 AM
You mean Elon Musk using 2% of his net worth for marketing? You know you can donate anonymously.

Somehow I thought of this and I asked the last question.
Because I believe from the way he looks enthusiastic about answering the WFP challenge, Musk personally will not be satisfied with his current achievements. Important people will always have an economic or social "importance" wherever they speak. They will never be anonymous if they do goodness.

Trust me. Even if all the billionaires donate their entire wealth to fight hunger, there will still be hungry people.
I am not trying to be pessimistic. However, understand that those in the helms of affairs will never allow the entire funds to trickle down to those who truly are in need.
The funds will again find itself in the hands of those who are already overfed.



Yep, I believe it. Begging and slavery are a never ending cycle as long as people still care about their egos and ambitions. And public media like Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#20a5249f3d78) will keep them ambitious.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: davis196 on November 04, 2021, 07:05:33 AM
I'm sick of all the "save third world countries from hunger and poverty" type of foundations,who are only begging and asking for money,but nobody can measure their effectiveness and control how the money are actually spent.
Musk can donate them 6 billion dollars,but:
1.A portion of the money will sink into some pockets,without any positive impact for the poor.
2.They will feed the hungry people for a while,but when the money runs out,the people will become hungry again.
The solution is better education system,increased birth control and more investments in the industry and agriculture sectors of the third world countries.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Reid on November 04, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
No, but it's still a great help for those who are living in hunger now especially children in the street or those in rural places that cannot afford 3 meals per day or worse not even 2.
2 billion dollars is a lot of money and he doesn't really need to do it, it's all because of his hard work but if this news is true then I commend him for offering the said amount and a helping hand.
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
Economic. Some people even believe it is the balance of nature, there should be rich and poor or else no one will work their ass to make money.
I am not a fan of that belief though. There could always be balance without stepping down to anyone or the need for hierarchy.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: NeuroticFish on November 04, 2021, 07:42:22 AM
Then instead of giving them fish give them a fishing pole.
If they are in the middle of the desert instead of giving them food each year making them depend on help invest that money in irrigation and agricultural gear.
The Netherlands has 1/10 of the arable land Niger has with almost the same population but they are one of the largest exporters of food!

And all this thing about poeple in poor regions not having enough food brings the one really interesting question, how have these poeple survived till date without food wand how is that there are still millions of them and still multiplying at insane levels, for example in Mali with a  fertility rate of 5.6 or Niger at 6.8? What have these poeple done before the UN was even created?

Unfortunately the reality is that if you just give them land and tools, they won't do better. Nowadays agriculture works really good only if the same entity has large lands, hence affording all the tools/machines needed, from tractors to fertilizing gears and all that's needed for irrigation too. The smarter ones even do some processing of their harvest before selling, meaning animal farms and/or processing factories...
And on top of this, I would not be surprised if Netherlands also imports food (which they process and then sell).

Also, about fertility rate: usually religion and, even more, the lack of education leads to that. Just look at the numbers in Europe, for example. The more developed the country is, the lower the rate. Is that good? I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe large scale migration fixes that somewhat, but that usually means war which I don't wish to anyone.

Now back on topic: the problem is that all that population is not in one place, hence multiple investments would be needed, exceeding greatly those 6bn.
Maybe then something like what @Mauser said before: investment in some large farms and also a distribution network. Of course, this is clearly not "learning to fish".

And I also agree with some other posts here: is this really about world hunger, or it's about advertising UN and Elon? I guess that's somewhere in between...



Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: crwth on November 04, 2021, 08:23:30 AM
It's up to the world food program to get the solution and find a way how 6 billion could alleviate all the problems. It's amazing how much social media could do and how it is announced and shared throughout the world. I think the opportunity that they need to take advantage of is how they are going to implement the transparency thing by spending so much money and how it can be controlled and monitored.

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Hippocrypto on November 04, 2021, 08:44:05 AM
It's up to the world food program to get the solution and find a way how 6 billion could alleviate all the problems. It's amazing how much social media could do and how it is announced and shared throughout the world. I think the opportunity that they need to take advantage of is how they are going to implement the transparency thing by spending so much money and how it can be controlled and monitored.

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.
Definitely. If all of that happens then it will make all of the people happy because as you said it saves at least millions of people. And as like you, I also hope that it can be maintained with efforts of the program. Maybe those money they are going to donate might even reduce the hunger of some people but charity might be better instead of waiting. If we have something that might help other people to relieve their hunger then why not give them open arms. Let's help not wait.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: FloridaKid on November 04, 2021, 09:32:16 AM
People will be happy of course but I don't believe that 6 billion is enough to cover every part of the world it won't reach everyone but will actually make things more better, half bread is always better than none they say.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Kakmakr on November 04, 2021, 09:39:15 AM
I believe in the principle of ...." Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.." So why should Elon Musk give people money to feed people, when he can create jobs in 3rd world countries and teach the people to make money for themselves?

The rich people should not give money away.... let that money work for them to be able to create more jobs ..to feed more people.  ;)


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Erumo on November 04, 2021, 10:29:02 AM
I believe in the principle of ...." Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.." So why should Elon Musk give people money to feed people, when he can create jobs in 3rd world countries and teach the people to make money for themselves?

The rich people should not give money away.... let that money work for them to be able to create more jobs ..to feed more people.  ;)

Sorry but no, we have plenty of bounty hunters already :D


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bakasabo on November 04, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
Will 6 billion really solve that issue ? I think this will only improve a bit current world hunger situation. This will solve the situation for a couple of months, and then situation return to when it was. To be able to solve completely, or in a greater extent, he should make such donations on regular basis. And even then some people will still find it better to be fed through donations, instead of doing something to earn and buy food.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: blockman on November 04, 2021, 10:52:10 AM
What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated
He didn't give any money, he has accepted the challenge and will give the amount if there's an accounting and liquidity record for that money.

This brings up something very interesting!
He went to the interview on CNN , made this claim on how billions would help the poor yet when asked how he would do so and he came with this:
https://www.wfp.org/stories/assisting-42-million-people-edge-famine

Sorry but if this is the result for which the WFP pays 180 million a year (https://executiveboard.wfp.org/document_download/WFP-0000025382) , from which 40$ millions are on "consultants" the problems is somewhere else

Damn, that's too much pay for the consultants. I'm sure that it's not only me that got thinking that these organizations are receiving funds from almost everywhere in the world, not only from the countries that are pledging funds, to private organizations and as well as rich individuals.
Whilst them, they're putting a huge fund for these consultants, and yet they have the audacity to talk about solving world hunger through putting that burden on the richest person in the world. I'm not defending Elon but it's a thing from the past and we're pretty sure that even Elon donates the said amount, it won't end hunger.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Wexnident on November 04, 2021, 01:10:19 PM
Isn't it simply a temporary solution? I'd honestly agree with the teach them to fish instead of giving them fish ideas instead. Run a scholarship program of sorts where you sponsor a community for a year or two of learning and then have them come work under a company for a set amount of time. It may take a longer time, but it's honestly better than just having a short-term project to help those in need. Though I guess if we take into account the matter of actually turning malnourished people into people that could actually learn, study and work, it might take a bit more time, and probably money.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LogitechMouse on November 04, 2021, 01:26:42 PM
Did many saw this tweet coming from Elon Musk himself??
https://twitter.com/jjohnson_says/status/1455164965027975171/photo/1

He said to that if WFP can describe and can publicly share the distribution of how the fund will be spent then he will immediately sell his Tesla Stock to fulfill what they've said.

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.
Well, they seconded what they've said because what they said was wrong and impossible. Expected :D.

Anyway, $6B will help at least some people to at least have some food for some days. Give kids education to work. Give kids chance to work and learn something. That might help the world hunger because there are countries who are staying poor because of lack of education. Food isn't enough for these to solve their starvation. What they need is knowledge. Knowledge that will help them. Spend some money to share some knowledge and that might help them. Well, I agree though that this $6B will save some people from starvation.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Cling18 on November 04, 2021, 03:38:12 PM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bL4nkcode on November 04, 2021, 03:53:57 PM
No amount of money can solve world hunger or lift poor in their conditions. Elon's response is too cunning on the tweet. The question is "HOW".

Even the richest men chips in for a cause for the hunger, if the one who handles the funds 'til to the lower bracket is irresponsible as we all know corruption is too evident in the lower column (weii, even on world/intl. orgs behind), it will still not work. Not unless they are fully transparent as Elon's said (from the transfer of fund, documents and the distribution)

Lack of funding is not the cause of this suffering, it's all about who and how the works behind, it's all about corruption.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Jaycee99 on November 04, 2021, 04:05:36 PM
It is possible it could. From what I learned anything is possible when it comes to the ideas and thought of one person.

Sadly when I search about this topic on google and it gave me this How Much Would It Cost To End World Hunger? (https://www.globalgiving.org/learn/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-world-hunger/)

Reading this gave a perspective that now it could somehow maybe call out all billionaires it could happen to solve it ASAP.

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Estimates of how much money it would take to end world hunger range from $7 billion to $265 billion per year.

Happily, it's talking about a year to feed people not help people work so it should be more than $6 billion or more to $265 to end world hunger for eternity.

My thoughts are...


We need food to survive we also need jobs to make money and survive. Specifically, it's not just about the money it's about people gaining knowledge to take care of our earth for we all know our foods came from mother nature.  


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: el kaka22 on November 04, 2021, 04:35:49 PM
What is the real number then? I mean is there even a specific number? If it is not 6 billion then would 60 billion work? Would 600 billion work? We had USA printing 2+ trillion dollars twice in the past 2 years, what would happen with 4 trillion dollars? Would that solve world hunger? We had that and nothing too grand happened for USA economy, sure it is not great but it is not at the brink of poverty neither. Which means maybe USA could print enough money to solve world hunger forever and they would be able to not get impacted a lot from it as well?

None of that would work, the reality is that world hunger is a manmade thing, if all those dictators and political parties and so forth didn't let it be then we would not have any world hunger. Money is not the issue, you could have unlimited amount of money and still wouldn't be enough, how are you going to solve the starvation problem in North Korea if they won't allow you? Or how would you stop a dictatorship if you keep giving them food constantly to feed it is people and affectively making them more powerful? All in all, money could solve "some" world hunger problems, but not all of them, only a small portion of it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: yhiaali3 on November 04, 2021, 04:37:06 PM
From a humanitarian perspective, this is an outrageous injustice and an inhumane phenomenon. How can one person own all these billions of dollars while millions around the world are dying of starvation? We are not talking here about the minimum required to live with human dignity!!! Rather, we are talking about the minimum required to survive only, millions of people in Africa and third world countries are unable to feed their children while 2% of Musk's wealth is enough to feed 42 million hungry!!!! What a truly painful human paradox!!!
As for the economic perspective, this does not matter, because the economy is not built on morals, but is built on benefit and interest only!!! Elon Musk has achieved great economic success and amassed billions so he can proudly brag in front of the cameras that he is ready to donate $6 billion to feed the hungry!!! But do you really donate??!!! Do they just need donations??!!!


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: ivankoh on November 04, 2021, 04:43:09 PM
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
Elon is wise enough by any statement, see the conclusion "only if the United Nations is transparent".  It is clearly a test against the rest by the marks of doubt.  Certainly many people will compare that act to Jeff, but I like the way Elon shows it.  Transparency is needed and the masks must be unambiguously removed for the chaos on the brink of anything involved.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: kryptqnick on November 04, 2021, 05:01:19 PM
Solving hunger is possible, but it's not a financial issue. AFAIK, we overproduce food on the global level, with estimates being that enough food is produced to feed 10 billion people (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241746569_We_Already_Grow_Enough_Food_for_10_Billion_People_and_Still_Can't_End_Hunger). But in wealthy places there's a lot of food waste on various levels, from an average US household wasting 30% of its food (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanabandoim/2020/01/26/the-shocking-amount-of-food-us-households-waste-every-year/) to UK supermarkets wasting what equals 190 million meals  (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supermarket-waste-food-poverty-b1807617.html)each year. The problem is not of the lack of production of resources. It's terrible distribution and also huge geographic inequality where some countries produce way more than they need and others don't produce enough. It's important to support efforts that provide food to those who need it, but to truly end hunger, big political decisions have to be made because some countries are unbelievably corrupt, so no amount of money being poured into the hands of their elites is enough to make a difference to the people who live in poverty.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: geegaw on November 04, 2021, 05:13:16 PM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.
Elon Musk has set his sights on becoming a great man and marked a page in history with these actions, his money right now will go to the best purposes to gain everyone's recognition, although 6 billion cannot solve hunger completely but it is still very abundant to help disadvantaged people endure after the pandemic as well as economic failure. With this pioneering, many more generous people will follow, but in general, the organizations and recipients of this fund should also aim for long-term good things like training and finding more work, too free only multiply laziness


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 04, 2021, 06:45:08 PM
Stupid enough decision. Remember the history of the creation of the USSR - "take away from the rich and give to the poor." OK. Made. And if before that the country had a certain stratum of the rich, a significant stratum of the middle class, and a small stratum of the poor (who, by the way, were supported by both the rich and the middle class), then after the division of material wealth, they got a full country of beggars, who decided that everyone owes them everything.

It seems more logical to me - for this money to build really useful production, to give people jobs, to fill the country with taxes. One working in a normal company, in a poor country, can support 2-3 more people. And this will be DEVELOPMENT and not TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF THE PROBLEM.
Believe me - even 6 billion dollars can be eaten very quickly and absolutely mediocre ... Think about the real prospects for development and solving the problem of poverty, and not about stuffing your stomach every second.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dunfida on November 04, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
No amount of money can solve world hunger or lift poor in their conditions. Elon's response is too cunning on the tweet. The question is "HOW".

Even the richest men chips in for a cause for the hunger, if the one who handles the funds 'til to the lower bracket is irresponsible as we all know corruption is too evident in the lower column (weii, even on world/intl. orgs behind), it will still not work. Not unless they are fully transparent as Elon's said (from the transfer of fund, documents and the distribution)

Lack of funding is not the cause of this suffering, it's all about who and how the works behind, it's all about corruption.
Indeed!

There's no such fund amount could solve out world hunger but at least this amount could really help tons at least.This does really shows off that there's
still hope for humanity and this might be an eye opener for those billionaires out there to do the same which at least make out some significant movement
towards on fighting this global problem.

This isnt something that you could just resolve out on few billions but still a great and good move done by Elon which do at least shows
that he cares.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: eaLiTy on November 04, 2021, 08:46:48 PM
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What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
I am not sure how they got the value of $6 billion to solve world hunger, if it was that easy then it would have been sorted out long back and these numbers are made up to serve the purpose and nothing else.

I am not doing any research or calculation but from top of my mind i can say that you need an estimated around $100 billion per year to feed everyone globally who is living under poverty. Even if you do that for an year how anyone is going to solve the hunger issue forever if you are not able to spent that much amount every year for infinite years :P .


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dothebeats on November 04, 2021, 10:04:10 PM
$6 Billion to solve world hunger is far-fetched. I don't think that figure is even enough to cover logistics + the food itself on a certain region. That UN guy who made that tweet is just dragging the name of the organization down due to his impulsive statements on the matter. And of course, Elon is ready to take a bite for the clout and to also prove a point. What people need aren't handouts, but actual jobs, sustainable lifestyle and developed economies for them to keep their mouths fed. UN doesn't really address that, though at the least, they are making an effort to alleviate the hunger of some of the poverty-stricken countries while they still have the machinery.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: milewilda on November 04, 2021, 10:23:02 PM
~
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
I am not sure how they got the value of $6 billion to solve world hunger, if it was that easy then it would have been sorted out long back and these numbers are made up to serve the purpose and nothing else.

I am not doing any research or calculation but from top of my mind i can say that you need an estimated around $100 billion per year to feed everyone globally who is living under poverty. Even if you do that for an year how anyone is going to solve the hunger issue forever if you are not able to spent that much amount every year for infinite years :P .
Dont know on where they do get that calculation because basing up on the entire world population then it cant really be known into those family or individual which are out of radar or statistics which means calculating on precise manner would be impossible and also 6 billion wont really be enough
on solving world hunger and same as others said that it is better rather than not making any steps at all.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Yogee on November 04, 2021, 10:25:25 PM
Reposting this for proper context since it looks like many have missed it.

The media, and EM itself, have misunderstood what WFP Director David Beasley said - it's not that $6 billion can solve world hunger, it's a drop in the ocean of real needs - because at least half of the world's people don't have enough food. He stated the following :

Beasley said that a combination of COVID-19, regional conflicts and climate crises has led to more than 40 million people being on the brink of starvation and that billionaires could give $6 billion to ease the crisis.


I don't know if some of the media misunderstood or they simply twisted what the Director said to bait many people for clicks and engagement.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DOH! on November 04, 2021, 11:09:19 PM
I think the world hunger problem will be solved simply with 6 billion dollars?  Lol, in today's hyperinflation, values ​​are meant to confirm and explicitly claim the funding for this charity will not guarantee.  What if those 6 billion will be offered to them all 100% the same or if those numbers will be masked by other oppressions.  Everything is just trust in the United Nations and the government.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 04, 2021, 11:59:07 PM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.
It will help a lot but these people who sees a specific amount to end a problem that has been there since the ancient days are joking around. They're just projecting a value that might end hunger but in reality, there are more problems that will exist after doing that. Famine/hunger has been there for a long time and it's not going to solve it as exact as what they're speculating and projecting. What they must do is to use that money to provide jobs and build better projects that will sustain these people for the longer term. They only look at the short term solution and it's not really enough IMHO. Just like the very known quote about feeding and teaching to fish.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: stompix on November 05, 2021, 02:35:06 AM
But in wealthy places there's a lot of food waste on various levels, from an average US household wasting 30% of its food (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanabandoim/2020/01/26/the-shocking-amount-of-food-us-households-waste-every-year/) to UK supermarkets wasting what equals 190 million meals  (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supermarket-waste-food-poverty-b1807617.html)each year. The problem is not of the lack of production of resources. It's terrible distribution and also huge geographic inequality where some countries produce way more than they need and others don't produce enough.

Oh, again the rich western world which is wasting food, the inequality, the western elitist who don't think about the others:

India Wasted Over 68 Million Tons Of Food In 2019: UN Report (https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-wasted-over-68-million-tons-of-food-in-2019-globally-931-million-tons-food-wasted-un-report-2384225)

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The household food waste estimate in the US is 59 kg per capita per year, or 19,359,951 tonnes a year, while for China these estimates are 64 kg per capita per year or 91,646,213 tonnes a year. In India, the household food waste estimate is 50 kg per capita per year, or 68,760,163 tonnes a year.

India and China waste more than twice the food than North America and Europe combined.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: southerngentuk on November 05, 2021, 03:37:37 AM
Money is not the most important issue to solve this, we should see it as a tool to help life. Poverty will continue and will not stop as long as people are still attached to the material, I think it belongs to the spiritual body when people are not interested or satisfied with it, they will recognize it simply. A lot of money is only money if it doesn't create value other than numbers, I like the way Elon uses money to make his mission to Mar because it's really great, we don't have to try to fix it. Accept what we've created as wrong, instead just think of it as a must for a life we ​​haven't envisioned.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: michellee on November 05, 2021, 05:43:42 AM
I think the world hunger problem will be solved simply with 6 billion dollars?  Lol, in today's hyperinflation, values ​​are meant to confirm and explicitly claim the funding for this charity will not guarantee.  What if those 6 billion will be offered to them all 100% the same or if those numbers will be masked by other oppressions.  Everything is just trust in the United Nations and the government.
It is not easy to solve world hunger in many countries because we still face the pandemic and it is not showing ends until now. The country needs to focus to solve this pandemic before they can move to the next target and solve it. But solving world hunger is not just a job for the government but for all people who can help each other and give them food. In this pandemic, it is better to help people so we can see pandemic ends so.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Alanaz on November 05, 2021, 06:20:43 AM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.
It will help a lot but these people who sees a specific amount to end a problem that has been there since the ancient days are joking around. They're just projecting a value that might end hunger but in reality, there are more problems that will exist after doing that. Famine/hunger has been there for a long time and it's not going to solve it as exact as what they're speculating and projecting. What they must do is to use that money to provide jobs and build better projects that will sustain these people for the longer term. They only look at the short term solution and it's not really enough IMHO. Just like the very known quote about feeding and teaching to fish.
this is indeed good to make at least those who experience hunger a little helped by it.
but to overcome hunger by giving nominal I don't think it's a solution.
because it seems that hunger will always exist even if this is done because there is no absolute guarantee that it will be evenly distributed, besides that with something like this it is only possible to make hunger at least stop for some time after that there will definitely be more hunger in every region.
it would probably be great if we focused on giving people who don't have jobs a chance to be empowered.
because with things like giving help to people who are under poverty maybe they will be happy and will always hope that it continues so they don't want to change themselves.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Wawa2013 on November 05, 2021, 06:22:39 AM
I think the world hunger problem will be solved simply with 6 billion dollars?  Lol, in today's hyperinflation, values ​​are meant to confirm and explicitly claim the funding for this charity will not guarantee.  What if those 6 billion will be offered to them all 100% the same or if those numbers will be masked by other oppressions.  Everything is just trust in the United Nations and the government.
It is not easy to solve world hunger in many countries because we still face the pandemic and it is not showing ends until now. The country needs to focus to solve this pandemic before they can move to the next target and solve it. But solving world hunger is not just a job for the government but for all people who can help each other and give them food. In this pandemic, it is better to help people so we can see pandemic ends so.

The problem of world hunger has existed for a long time and until now it has not been completely resolved, because it is not easy to solve world hunger.
Especially with the pandemic, I believe the number of hungry people in the world is increasing. I agree this is the job of all of us who have extra money,
in order to help hungry people. Actually helping starving people is not effective only to provide financial aid or food, but skills training must be provided
so that these hungry people have skills and can make money. The main problem of world hunger, because they don't understand how to make money
other than working for other people. I prefer if people starve because they have no income, are taught to be entrepreneurs, so the opportunity to
make money does not only depend on working in the company.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: tygeade on November 05, 2021, 06:56:20 AM
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
I feel like there is some confusing about this all because I was also surprised with this news just $6 Billion is going to end World hunger it's very less amount and this can do for just one or two days not for long enough time. We are already doing this all for many decades, but it is not possible because of many issues and regional problems also having impact on this all.

We have to do some political decisions because some countries are unbelievably corrupt, their system is not allowing big communities to rise and have some good way of life, so it's just needed some better education and many political and regional guidelines with some good amount of money.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: crwth on November 05, 2021, 08:47:38 AM
Maybe those money they are going to donate might even reduce the hunger of some people but charity might be better instead of waiting. If we have something that might help other people to relieve their hunger then why not give them open arms. Let's help not wait.
I think the people who are really desperate with food will do anything. Elon tweeted this to the chief of WFP

What happened here? https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/627783/Starving-children-as-young-as-NINE-forced-to-give-UN-officials-oral-sex-to-get-food

And it's just something that would be an eye-opener to those who don't have anything but can't help do anything about it. It's about time to do something and help them.



Food isn't enough for these to solve their starvation. What they need is knowledge. Knowledge that will help them. Spend some money to share some knowledge and that might help them. Well, I agree though that this $6B will save some people from starvation.
I do agree with this since, with education, they can do whatever is necessary for them to continue living. It's not going to be easy but they need to. They shouldn't get used to the fact that there would be someone who would be willing to give them anything for free.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dimox on November 05, 2021, 08:50:01 AM
in my religion, people must give 2.5% every year to the poor to improve their daily or whatever it is. and the fact, there some story tell that people who actually must get this portion, no longer entitled after some of year, and no poor people in there.
its about how good people, giver and receiver. how good they are to make their money fill theirbdaily  life.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: uelque on November 05, 2021, 10:40:48 AM
In my opinion, such amount of money will only temporarily ease world hunger but it's not gonna solve it permanently. Lack of money is not the real cause of poverty, but rather it is the lack of opportunity and corrupt governance of governments and its local units. Donating large amount of money is useless and it will turn out to be a waste specially if there's a lot of leech in the place we are living.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Dragonfund on November 05, 2021, 11:08:49 AM
Statistics on paper is prone to error and those value quoted by UN might not be accurate. Since ElonMusk gave them the surprise reply, I haven't heard from them.
Every part of the world today is accumulated by the population of poor people who are struggling every day to feed, I wonder how they intend $6billion to cure hunger except if they plan to do just a single day feeding which will not be significant in my opinion.

Every countries has that richest person with $$, let them stand up and cure hunger, it will reduce hunger drastically instead of one person.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Lucius on November 05, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
I will just write something related to my previous post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368995.msg58337981#msg58337981). Of course, $6 billion cannot feed all the hungry of the world, the story is completely taken out of context and it is about helping the 40 million people hardest hit by the pandemic, supply chain disruption, and inflation.

But if we take that amount ($6 billion) and divide it by the $20 it takes for one child to get one hot meal every day at school, we come up with a number of as many as 300 million children who wouldn’t be completely hungry in one year. This is not only important from the perspective of someone being hungry, but it has already been proven that parents in poor countries send their children to school if they can get a hot meal there - and this results in more educated people who will no longer need someone else's help to survive.

But I argue once again that we should not expect people like Musk or Bezos to change the world, but that each of us can do it personally. An example of how one man can change the world for the better can be seen in Rwanda (https://www.vjeko-rwanda.info/en), where he did amazing things precisely because he focused on children, from whom he made the pillars of society.



Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 05, 2021, 12:40:21 PM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.
It will help a lot but these people who sees a specific amount to end a problem that has been there since the ancient days are joking around. They're just projecting a value that might end hunger but in reality, there are more problems that will exist after doing that. Famine/hunger has been there for a long time and it's not going to solve it as exact as what they're speculating and projecting. What they must do is to use that money to provide jobs and build better projects that will sustain these people for the longer term. They only look at the short term solution and it's not really enough IMHO. Just like the very known quote about feeding and teaching to fish.
this is indeed good to make at least those who experience hunger a little helped by it.
but to overcome hunger by giving nominal I don't think it's a solution.
because it seems that hunger will always exist even if this is done because there is no absolute guarantee that it will be evenly distributed, besides that with something like this it is only possible to make hunger at least stop for some time after that there will definitely be more hunger in every region.
it would probably be great if we focused on giving people who don't have jobs a chance to be empowered.
because with things like giving help to people who are under poverty maybe they will be happy and will always hope that it continues so they don't want to change themselves.
We acknowledge and salute them that helps to reduce world hunger but having such aim to solve the problem, that money isn't really enough. It's not all about the amount of people that can be fed with that 6 billion dollars but it's about what it can do to change a lot of lives.
I think these people and social workers should look at that perspective aside from just feeding them all at once. How long will that amount sustain them feeding for those who are in need? That amount will eventually be gone and will also be lessen before it probably go to the receivers if there are corrupt officials.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: D-law on November 05, 2021, 02:10:48 PM
Wow, I never new he is a philanthropist able to think of donating such amount to save the world from proverty. This is obviously outrageous. My question here is that;
What is the probability that such amount can save the world from proverty?
Is he ready to donate such an high amount of money?
How will the money be implemented if donated?


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: tyz on November 05, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
That will never be enough. According to current figures, about 1-1.2 billion people suffer acutely from hunger or are at high risk of hunger. Another 1 billion or so are at risk of hunger, not acutely, but as soon as the economy is not doing well. This means that there are about 2-2.2 billion people for whom a permanent solution must be found. If you now put the 6 billion USD, then that would be about $3 per hungry person. Everyone can see that this will never be enough to get the people permanently out of hunger poverty.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: michellee on November 05, 2021, 02:23:14 PM
I think the world hunger problem will be solved simply with 6 billion dollars?  Lol, in today's hyperinflation, values ​​are meant to confirm and explicitly claim the funding for this charity will not guarantee.  What if those 6 billion will be offered to them all 100% the same or if those numbers will be masked by other oppressions.  Everything is just trust in the United Nations and the government.
It is not easy to solve world hunger in many countries because we still face the pandemic and it is not showing ends until now. The country needs to focus to solve this pandemic before they can move to the next target and solve it. But solving world hunger is not just a job for the government but for all people who can help each other and give them food. In this pandemic, it is better to help people so we can see pandemic ends so.

The problem of world hunger has existed for a long time and until now it has not been completely resolved, because it is not easy to solve world hunger.
Especially with the pandemic, I believe the number of hungry people in the world is increasing. I agree this is the job of all of us who have extra money,
in order to help hungry people. Actually helping starving people is not effective only to provide financial aid or food, but skills training must be provided
so that these hungry people have skills and can make money. The main problem of world hunger, because they don't understand how to make money
other than working for other people. I prefer if people starve because they have no income, are taught to be entrepreneurs, so the opportunity to
make money does not only depend on working in the company.
With the pandemic still appearing in almost all countries, it makes the government think twice to solve the world hunger as they still focus to solve the pandemic before it is too late. But I am sure that the government have a plan to do something for that person who suffers because of the pandemic and hunger problem.

At least, if we can share food with them, they can eat something and then, we can ask them to join us to get training that can improve their skills to search for a job.

If people can open their minds to learn something to have skills that can help them to make money, they will have a chance to create a new job and solve their problem and help other people.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Findingnemo on November 05, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
If rich people want to eliminate the hunger from this world then its certainly possible but I don't think this will happen in the long run, only rich people will exist as long as there are poor people who will be ready to give their effort to make your boss rich. Probably just for a publicity stunt and Elon is famous at doing with free of cost by tweets.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Alert31 on November 05, 2021, 02:58:35 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics

It can't solve world hunger buy it can help even a little especially this time of pandemic that many people lost their job. There will be no disappearance of poverty and the poor, just in case it will cause an imbalance in the economy. People need to work just to live and not just to rely on others like what you have said. Everyone need to works base on their skills and capability. But is also good if we can help them as much as we can.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BITCOIN4X on November 05, 2021, 03:35:37 PM
From a humanitarian perspective, I think Elon deserve respect because he has a desire to save million of starving souls. It is clear that the amount to be used for charity may not be sufficient for everyone who deserve it, but at least it can help. It is highly unlikely that Elon will be responsible for helping million of people who have been starving for month because I think it is the countries and government of the world that should be held accountable for that. Even if Elon later decided to invest $6 billion of his money to help, it would only alleviate the hunger afflicting million of people and not solve it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Gyfts on November 05, 2021, 05:17:57 PM
Did many saw this tweet coming from Elon Musk himself??
https://twitter.com/jjohnson_says/status/1455164965027975171/photo/1

He said to that if WFP can describe and can publicly share the distribution of how the fund will be spent then he will immediately sell his Tesla Stock to fulfill what they've said.


It's a bluff, a smart one, rather. WFP couldn't possibly create any plan to end world hunger, it's all theatrics to demonize the rich. They've taken on more than 6 billion in funds throughout the organization's existence, yet they're requesting for even more money to solve problems they don't have any solutions to. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it, and if it did, I'd hope the WFP would attempt to at least raise funds from other nations instead of looking at a private individual to bankroll their useless plans.

Expect Musk's proposal to go no where, the WFP aren't serious.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fortify on November 05, 2021, 05:55:26 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?


Elon is not selling his assets to donate $6 billion, it was simply a rhetorical answer to a UN official who claimed to have some magic formula for ending world hunger and that a billionaire like him could solve it overnight. Elon gets to look like a hero by countering this ludicrous claim that such a low amount of money is a magic bullet to stop something that has plagued mankind for centuries. The UN official gets some free publicity for their cause but really looks rather silly to anyone with an ounce of intelligence who would know that having a big pot of money (which is tiny in practice) does not instantly solve this problem which has all sorts of reasons and causes.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BernyJB on November 05, 2021, 06:36:38 PM
You don't end world hunger by donating food: you just delay it.
There's a saying (a meme, actually) that goes "Poverty's antidote is not money: it's education."
As long as you keep sending food to the indigent, they will keep being miserable. You feed them today, and they'll be hungry again tomorrow. But if you invest in education and feed them, you will create the foundation for a better society in the future. And it doesn't take such an ungodly amount of money either, it just takes the commitment of people helping people for the right reasons, not just as a tax write-off or a PR stunt.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: noorman0 on November 05, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
I think the people who are really desperate with food will do anything. Elon tweeted this to the chief of WFP

What happened here? https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/627783/Starving-children-as-young-as-NINE-forced-to-give-UN-officials-oral-sex-to-get-food

And it's just something that would be an eye-opener to those who don't have anything but can't help do anything about it. It's about time to do something and help them.

Hahaa, someone important wants to reveal something here. He began to suspect a lot of things about the UN. Looks like the donation will fail, unfortunately.

$6 billion apparently not only gives a hungry person a little hope, but also makes full people hungry. Even $6 trillion won't eradicate hunger.
UN World Food Program
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDYLmjmX0AMYH0f?format=jpg&name=small
Seems that way. Publishing their transaction ledger would clarify matters.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: adzino on November 05, 2021, 09:07:00 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
Quote
This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Just money won't solve world hunger problem. You need to provide them with a proper framework so that those people suffering can end the world hunger themselves alone. And look at those countries where hunger is wide spread. Those countries are politically unstable and filled with corrupted governments. Who knows what is going to happen to the money Elon sends them. I have sure the top leaders are going to pocket like most of the donations like they always do and Elon knows this very well.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Oilacris on November 05, 2021, 09:27:44 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
Quote
This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Just money won't solve world hunger problem. You need to provide them with a proper framework so that those people suffering can end the world hunger themselves alone. And look at those countries where hunger is wide spread. Those countries are politically unstable and filled with corrupted governments. Who knows what is going to happen to the money Elon sends them. I have sure the top leaders are going to pocket like most of the donations like they always do and Elon knows this very well.
True,It wont resolve the problem because when people had already used up the money had been donated then they would come back again on that certain state.
Basically means that you would really need to provde into them about those livelihood things for them to at least will able to
sustain themselves on long run.

World hunger is something that cant really be just resolved on few billions yet there are several factors needed
to completely solve the problem.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: 2double0 on November 05, 2021, 10:04:51 PM
<<>>
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?

I was thinking whether that 2% of Musk's wealth will be evenly distributed among all the needy ones? Or how will they distribute it? Through money or food? And here comes my biggest concern - will those funds be even distributed at all or will be eaten up by middlemen?

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How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

It depends on the intentions of the speaker as well as the responsiveness of Musk whether he honestly does what he said, and if he will, what steps will WHO take afterwards?


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BIT-BENDER on November 05, 2021, 10:14:44 PM
I the data of hungry people is not correct, they are many hungry people and they don't have to be from somalia, south or north sudan, their are hungry people in my country very hungry they are having illness associated wy malnutrition, but they don't get enough relief and this reliefs packages program has been ran for years, I think it's a mandate for billionaire or even millionaire in dollars, or and philanthropist to be concern how their charity work is spent, I think more plans should be in place not every year donation for hunger in africa, education can be added.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: beerlover on November 05, 2021, 10:18:27 PM
Money "can" solve the problem, it wouldn't be "one rich person solves it" type of thing but more like if you build an infrastructure type of way. So instead of buying food and giving it to the people who are hungry, find the common places where people are hungry and build vast farms there. Even if the place is not proper for farming because of the land or drought and all that, there are ways to solve it like building wells and bringing water from one place to another.

Africa is surrounded by water as we all know, and yes bringing that water to everywhere around the water is a very expensive thing but can be done with "money", you could also use filters to turn that into water that can be used for crops as well. So, I believe that there is a good chance that we could end up with a good amount of money in wrong hands and may fail, but we could also build stuff that could make farms and ranches and so forth to make it work a lot better than just giving food.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 06, 2021, 11:24:49 AM
Please explain - why did everyone decide that the problem is for solving the poor - someone must come and solve their problem from their wallet? Why should someone solve their problems for them? Why, in fact, do they want to become the kept women of rich people who have earned their fortunes through work, knowledge and so on, i.e. investing LABOR, TIME, FORCE. But for the poor, they have to bring it, and give it, and free of charge ... And they do not want to take money, but not to eat it up, but to get an education, undergo training, build a plant and start producing products. And this will give jobs, regular income, the opportunity to develop ... Ah ... no ... it's hard, it's better when they just give money without demanding it back, and food and also free. By giving money for this, you yourself generate systemic poverty, which becomes genetic.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: tyz on November 06, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
Hahaa, someone important wants to reveal something here. He began to suspect a lot of things about the UN. Looks like the donation will fail, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, however, this corresponds to the truth. Large aid organizations such as the UN spend too much of the donations on bureaucracy and other things. In the worst case, some of the money even seeps away into dark channels. Only a part of it ultimately reaches the people who need it. Elon Musk could certainly use his fame and power to make sure that he is shown exactly what is being done with the money, but I still say that 6 billion will not be enough to solve the problem.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: lixer on November 06, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
That depends on what they're really going to do with the money, are they just going to buy food and give to them and that’s all? Because, sometimes it’s not all about giving fish to a man, it's all about teaching them how to fish.

When you continue to give fish to a man they will keep on coming back and begging for more fish, but when you teach them how to fish they will be able to take up their hook and fish and feed themselves and be able to take care of their family as well. So if they’re saying $6 billion, and their plan is to share it for those poor people or open a business for them, how much did they plan to share it for each of the homes that are in famine?


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: nakamura12 on November 06, 2021, 05:13:12 PM
No matter how much money is invested to be distributed to those who really need money to buy foods won't solve world hunger unless there is a group of rich people will help. In my opinion, It became worst when pandemic hits. Even if you help someone to make him able to get food on his own it won't help most of thw time. Not all will be accepted in work unless you live in a place where there is a vast body of water where you can grow fish.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: qwertyup23 on November 06, 2021, 05:36:57 PM
What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?


As far as I know, Elon Musk challenged the UN that if it does solve world hunger, he will sell his Tesla shares but the expenditures must be reflected on a public ledger for transparency and for everyone to see. But to be honest, 6 billion to solve world hunger is too far fetched given that this will only solve the problem short-term.

Like what is stated on the Bible, If you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn. So like what I previously mentioned, this is only a band-aid solution that will not eradicate world hunger completely but address such problem short-term.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Alanaz on November 06, 2021, 05:42:59 PM
I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.
It will help a lot but these people who sees a specific amount to end a problem that has been there since the ancient days are joking around. They're just projecting a value that might end hunger but in reality, there are more problems that will exist after doing that. Famine/hunger has been there for a long time and it's not going to solve it as exact as what they're speculating and projecting. What they must do is to use that money to provide jobs and build better projects that will sustain these people for the longer term. They only look at the short term solution and it's not really enough IMHO. Just like the very known quote about feeding and teaching to fish.
this is indeed good to make at least those who experience hunger a little helped by it.
but to overcome hunger by giving nominal I don't think it's a solution.
because it seems that hunger will always exist even if this is done because there is no absolute guarantee that it will be evenly distributed, besides that with something like this it is only possible to make hunger at least stop for some time after that there will definitely be more hunger in every region.
it would probably be great if we focused on giving people who don't have jobs a chance to be empowered.
because with things like giving help to people who are under poverty maybe they will be happy and will always hope that it continues so they don't want to change themselves.
We acknowledge and salute them that helps to reduce world hunger but having such aim to solve the problem, that money isn't really enough. It's not all about the amount of people that can be fed with that 6 billion dollars but it's about what it can do to change a lot of lives.
I think these people and social workers should look at that perspective aside from just feeding them all at once. How long will that amount sustain them feeding for those who are in need? That amount will eventually be gone and will also be lessen before it probably go to the receivers if there are corrupt officials.
as you said, as long as there are many corrupt officials and many people abusing their power things like this will not go very smoothly.
on the other hand, things like this are not wrong, in fact things like this are a good thing because at least they can reduce the suffering of many people. but indeed the system that is carried out and the method is not quite right.
because it's true that things like this won't last for long.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Shenzou on November 06, 2021, 07:17:50 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
Quote
This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

World hunger is not an issue that can easily be solved by just giving away money to those who don't have food, and it is not going to be solved in short period of time, the nature of how the world is divided into countries with a lot of natural resources and ones where even the smallest crops can't even grow, and also hunger is driven by many other problems, such conflicts like civil war and war between countries that they lead to displacing a lot of people and creating poverty and hunger, and these are problems that can't be solved as long as humankind exist.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: 2double0 on November 06, 2021, 08:38:42 PM
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By giving money for this, you yourself generate systemic poverty, which becomes genetic.

I have researched and found that lots of poor people don't have the intentions to work. So even if riches ask poor people to work to get money for their work, there will be more exploitation than 'helping out' because riches will behave like a boss then. I totally agree with your systemic poverty line, but the mental state of poors have been so much narrowed down that they are unable to come out of that, thinking they have no life and due to less to zero knowledge, they don't know about and cannot learn anything new. If everybody starts thinking the way you think, then there will be no donations at all.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 06, 2021, 08:48:37 PM
We acknowledge and salute them that helps to reduce world hunger but having such aim to solve the problem, that money isn't really enough. It's not all about the amount of people that can be fed with that 6 billion dollars but it's about what it can do to change a lot of lives.
I think these people and social workers should look at that perspective aside from just feeding them all at once. How long will that amount sustain them feeding for those who are in need? That amount will eventually be gone and will also be lessen before it probably go to the receivers if there are corrupt officials.
as you said, as long as there are many corrupt officials and many people abusing their power things like this will not go very smoothly.
on the other hand, things like this are not wrong, in fact things like this are a good thing because at least they can reduce the suffering of many people. but indeed the system that is carried out and the method is not quite right.
because it's true that things like this won't last for long.
Yeah, it is not wrong. But the motive could be hidden from the actual help that they want to say. You can ever imagine everyone being fed and are filling their hunger.
Until when? that's the question that they have to solve next when the funds for solving the hunger is no longer there anymore.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Silberman on November 06, 2021, 09:31:46 PM
Hahaa, someone important wants to reveal something here. He began to suspect a lot of things about the UN. Looks like the donation will fail, unfortunately.

$6 billion apparently not only gives a hungry person a little hope, but also makes full people hungry. Even $6 trillion won't eradicate hunger.
UN World Food Program
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDYLmjmX0AMYH0f?format=jpg&name=small
Seems that way. Publishing their transaction ledger would clarify matters.
And this is one of the big problems with charities and other organizations like that, a great deal of whatever you donate goes towards maintaining the charity itself and not to help those that need it, this is why it is way more effective to just give whatever money you were thinking to donate to a charity to people directly, this way the full amount you wanted to give will reach that person without a third party in the middle taking their cut, basically the same concept behind bitcoin but applied to donations instead of a currency.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Joca97 on November 06, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
Quote
This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?


I have heard of this news a few days ago and i think Elon Musk would even give this kind of money.But i dont think even this $6 billion would end world hunger. Elon Musk also tweeted that if he gives the money everything wants to be transparent for the public so everyone can see on what the money has been wasted.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: aysg76 on November 07, 2021, 11:13:09 AM
If this was best solution then I think philanthropist and other billionaires have already donated so much for the noble cause that world hunger should have been evaded by now and we have not come across such statements.So if we take into consideration his $335 billion net worth as he is only one to reach there  and some know how he managed to do it his 2% would be around $6.6 billion and that's not at all sufficient to evade hunger or end the world hunger totally.As per this  (https://www.wfp.org/stories/wfp-glance#:~:text=To%20prevent%20famine%2C%20WFP%20needs,we%20have%20received%20%241.24%20billion.) they need $1.9 billion to prevent famine this year and have received $1.5 billion in funds already.But how much they are going to stop the rising inflation is making many going down the poverty line and pushing burden on themselves to survive the race to stay above the line.But if they can solve it with such small amount then not only musk many others or say top 10 richest person on Forbes 2021 will be willing to give some amount which will surely be above 2% of Musk's wealth but can they do it what they have said?


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 07, 2021, 01:56:14 PM
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By giving money for this, you yourself generate systemic poverty, which becomes genetic.

I have researched and found that lots of poor people don't have the intentions to work. So even if riches ask poor people to work to get money for their work, there will be more exploitation than 'helping out' because riches will behave like a boss then. I totally agree with your systemic poverty line, but the mental state of poors have been so much narrowed down that they are unable to come out of that, thinking they have no life and due to less to zero knowledge, they don't know about and cannot learn anything new. If everybody starts thinking the way you think, then there will be no donations at all.

I myself am a little shocked by this, but it is a fact. Therefore, I will persuade them to stop supporting this dead-end ideology, which only develops in them a sense of consumerism, a feeling that everyone owes them, and everyone must solve the problems of these "suffering" at their own expense, and they, unhappy, will "sit and suffer" !
In fact, modern society spoiled those who really needed help, and transformed the objective need for help into some kind of obligation of some to others, but without any logic, and most importantly, this does not solve the problem, it just creates dependents, constantly demanding to save them! We also learn that they themselves do not want to do this, as it turns out that this requires work!


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Snappycoco on November 07, 2021, 04:12:00 PM
It wont. The mere fact that most are affected by poverty, 6B$ isn't enough. It needs global cooperation as well as programs to eradicate such problem in the society. Added by corruption and greedy politicians, UN cant solve it really. What we need is a global education system for the poor and how to get out of that situation. Help them get a job and give hope for those who lost it. Poor people usually are lazy due to their surroundings and lack of hope for their future. It is a generation passed to another generation mentality and those who have the guts to break that system wins. Help them by educating them properly. We needs 100B$ for that and global unity.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Koro-Sensei on November 07, 2021, 04:58:03 PM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Nope. I think 6B$ cannot sustain a year long feeding for these hungry people. These people are there because most of them don't want to work. Some are just unlucky enough. Some have disabilities. Even if UN give them a job, some of them wont do it out of laziness. So yeah, 6B$ wont even fund it til mid 2022. However, countries like africa really needs help. This amount will do a lot for them but again cant sustain a year long fund.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Rufsilf on November 07, 2021, 05:43:10 PM
Certainly 6 Billion in USD can't solve the hunger throughout the world, to think, there's no available amount to estimate how to solve the hunger worldwide. So instead of giving money to the people who are in need, why not give them a job based on what skills they have. In that way, we won't have to give them money to sustain their needs especially food because they can feed themselves already and even with their family from the job that has given to them and the best thing is they have a chance to lift themselves from poverty depending how they'll manage.

$6B isn't gonna sustain them for a week or two if you help those who need the most in USA, how much more if it's divided throughout the globe. And I don't like when famous persons are tweeting or announcing it publicly if they're planning to give to the poor, why not give it privately as long as your heart is pure. But still I respect for that good deed and mindset that he's willing sell his part on Tesla to solve world hunger.  :D


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: SquallLeonhart on November 07, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.
Well, I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.

So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Tumanggor on November 07, 2021, 07:34:18 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food

feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world

mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: fullhdpixel on November 07, 2021, 08:32:27 PM
I have researched and found that lots of poor people don't have the intentions to work. So even if riches ask poor people to work to get money for their work, there will be more exploitation than 'helping out' because riches will behave like a boss then. I totally agree with your systemic poverty line, but the mental state of poors have been so much narrowed down that they are unable to come out of that, thinking they have no life and due to less to zero knowledge, they don't know about and cannot learn anything new. If everybody starts thinking the way you think, then there will be no donations at all.
I do not know what your "research" looks like, could you share your thesis? Could you share your data please? Could you share the place where your scientific research was published? Or is it more like "this is what I believe and I have seen a few people like that so I will keep on believing this"? Because it sounds awful lot like you did not do a proper research like scientists does and only providing your own views as research which is fake.

There are so many people in the world that would be willing to work for money, only if you give them a proper goal, if you are talking about "well they could pick the garbage and burn them" yes there could be very few people willing to do that job, but do you really believe that some guy who studied for 4 years in college, then 2 years in masters then gets offer from McDonalds and rejects it, "doesn't want to work"? They want a proper job for their education, that is the main problem here.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: ene1980 on November 07, 2021, 09:37:44 PM
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you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food
feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world
mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: uneng on November 07, 2021, 09:48:20 PM
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you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food
feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world
mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger.
It depends what people you are talking about. If it's a farmer's family in an african country I agree these people really need special attention, but if it's an addicted person or a pickpocket who live on the streets of a big center taking advantage of another citizens and from the society it's really a matter of mindset, because they have no fair reason to live and behave like that.

The problem is that those people who really need help are all labeled as lazy and despicable because the ones who don't deserve any help and end being totally supported by populist political agendas who seek for their votes.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: famososMuertos on November 07, 2021, 10:15:31 PM
Again, he loves being El-On, having a proposal to deliver money for the solution of something that has been going on for so many years, this is to divert attention news to only allow ElOn to seem like a benign benefactor, whether he donates them or not that money does not help the problem in the future, it is reality, the root problem is another.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fredomago on November 07, 2021, 11:06:16 PM
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you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food
feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world
mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger.
It depends what people you are talking about. If it's a farmer's family in an african country I agree these people really need special attention, but if it's an addicted person or a pickpocket who live on the streets of a big center taking advantage of another citizens and from the society it's really a matter of mindset, because they have no fair reason to live and behave like that.

The problem is that those people who really need help are all labeled as lazy and despicable because the ones who don't deserve any help and end being totally supported by populist political agendas who seek for their votes.

Indeed, true!  >:( there are people who are hiding to this reality, they are doing laziness and unfair ways of living and yet they calling themselves poor; they have ways to increase the chance of improving their lifestyle but they are just content with how they wanted to live, pick pocketers and those drug addicted people who mostly came from the poorest sides of society.

They have other alternatives, but they choose to live like this. If ever Elon will really donate that amount, the next issue might be to who will hold the funds with honest ways of distributing it. ::)

A lot of government who are corrupt, we see that from how this pandemic reveals those greedy officials. >:( ???


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: xSkylarx on November 08, 2021, 07:53:18 AM
Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source (https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/elon-musk-is-ready-to-spend-6-billion-to-end-world-hunger-asks-un-to-provide-a-plan/ articleshow/87455987.cms)).
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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data (https://www.google.com/search?client=tor-b-e&q=elon+musk+wealth), that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Nope. I think 6B$ cannot sustain a year long feeding for these hungry people. These people are there because most of them don't want to work. Some are just unlucky enough. Some have disabilities. Even if UN give them a job, some of them wont do it out of laziness. So yeah, 6B$ wont even fund it til mid 2022. However, countries like africa really needs help. This amount will do a lot for them but again cant sustain a year long fund.

Yes, if we only target the poor countries that are really struggling, this could have a significant positive impact on the economy and the lives of the people in that country. However, if we target the entire world, it is not worth it because 6 billion dollars is insufficient. The best approach is to find or select a country that is in desperate need of assistance, and then to donate an amount that will allow their citizens to at least survive for a year, or to assist them in starting a business that will generate monthly income.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bakasabo on November 08, 2021, 08:54:42 AM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: iv4n on November 08, 2021, 09:17:50 AM
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6 billion to solve world hunger?

The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes!



Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Wawa2013 on November 08, 2021, 10:44:14 AM
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It is not easy to solve world hunger in many countries because we still face the pandemic and it is not showing ends until now. The country needs to focus to solve this pandemic before they can move to the next target and solve it. But solving world hunger is not just a job for the government but for all people who can help each other and give them food. In this pandemic, it is better to help people so we can see pandemic ends so.
The problem of world hunger has existed for a long time and until now it has not been completely resolved, because it is not easy to solve world hunger.
Especially with the pandemic, I believe the number of hungry people in the world is increasing. I agree this is the job of all of us who have extra money,
in order to help hungry people. Actually helping starving people is not effective only to provide financial aid or food, but skills training must be provided
so that these hungry people have skills and can make money. The main problem of world hunger, because they don't understand how to make money
other than working for other people. I prefer if people starve because they have no income, are taught to be entrepreneurs, so the opportunity to
make money does not only depend on working in the company.
With the pandemic still appearing in almost all countries, it makes the government think twice to solve the world hunger as they still focus to solve the pandemic before it is too late. But I am sure that the government have a plan to do something for that person who suffers because of the pandemic and hunger problem.

At least, if we can share food with them, they can eat something and then, we can ask them to join us to get training that can improve their skills to search for a job.

If people can open their minds to learn something to have skills that can help them to make money, they will have a chance to create a new job and solve their problem and help other people.

For all countries overcoming the pandemic is the main thing, so the government of each country will plan something to relieve the population
who are indeed affected by the pandemic, which has not yet ended. Especially the people who lost their jobs and starved because of
the difficulty of making money. Usually the government will provide direct assistance in the form of money and food, after that the government
will provide training to increase the ability of the population, in order to make money. At least that's the government's plan in my country,
but in practice it can't reach everyone. There are always people who do not get government assistance, therefore care is needed from the rich,
to help the government by helping people who are starving because they have lost their jobs. Although I am not a rich person, but I am a person
who has stable finances, so I helped the hungry people who were near where I lived. Because indeed we as humans must help each other.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Hippocrypto on November 08, 2021, 12:35:16 PM
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6 billion to solve world hunger?

The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes!


Indeed. Money is not a problem here but the will to solve the problem. Since before, hunger is always been the problem even in other countries. I think it's better to make a charitable works than doing nothing. It's better to do some good works to make a big changes to this problem. Helping each other might be a big help also to solve this.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Flexystar on November 08, 2021, 12:54:03 PM
The move is amazing and I wish that Elon would go for this. However, we must understand that these funds do not always end up in the right hand. Not all humans are like minded not all are honest with their work. I’m not going for the negative points here but it is what it is. If Elon spares 6 billion dollars then we are not 100% sure that all of it will reach to the end users. If this would have been so easy then there are already billion dollar worth foundations running around the world but how much of help is reached to them?

In this scenario Elon should take step forward by creating own trusts and helping out the needy through his trusted workers.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Argoo on November 08, 2021, 01:50:36 PM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
People have starved on Earth at all times and no one has ever been able to finally solve this problem. Now, due to climate change, various natural disasters and man-made disasters have become more frequent. This means that the number of people who will be annoying will increase. Elon Musk can feed the hungry several times with six billion dollars, but all the same, the problem will not be solved.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Maslate on November 08, 2021, 01:55:27 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 08, 2021, 08:48:50 PM
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6 billion to solve world hunger?

The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes!


Indeed. Money is not a problem here but the will to solve the problem. Since before, hunger is always been the problem even in other countries. I think it's better to make a charitable works than doing nothing. It's better to do some good works to make a big changes to this problem. Helping each other might be a big help also to solve this.

Charity is well applicable to people who have no opportunity to change their situation - seriously ill people, children, etc. for whom there is no other option but to live off the direct financial assistance of others.
But pity for lazy people is stupid. It won't fix them. Moreover, eating YOUR money, they will laugh at you, and tomorrow DEMAND, as if you owe them.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bekti3 on November 08, 2021, 09:11:49 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 08, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: jaberwock on November 08, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.

So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem?

The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: 24Kt on November 08, 2021, 09:38:23 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.

At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BernyJB on November 09, 2021, 03:58:43 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.

At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world.

He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fredomago on November 09, 2021, 06:39:53 PM
I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.

So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem?

The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution.

I value your statement, it's more on how we find the solution than looking for the exact amount that it needed to solve this problem, you are right about it, if those rich people and wealthy government start to look for poor nations as part of their obligation and removed the kind of mindset of being greed. World hunger is a wide concern to discuss, but if everyone will involve themselves in the solution is always possible to find.

It's between the mindset that will spark this out and get a proper solution, not a quick one, but a long-lasting solution that will help mankind.

Musk might start it by providing the amount in hope that there are other Trillionaire out there to share his sentiment and start building solutions. :)


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fatunad on November 09, 2021, 07:20:16 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.

At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world.

He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it.
PR stunt? You couldnt really tell because it is really just impossible that events like these wont really go to media knowing that Elon is the richest man on the world and
every move you do make specially dealing off with big money and its impossible that no one would be noticing it but i do understand on your point about not telling
everybody if you do really tend to make donation in silent but if that kind of fame and popularity level you do have then its less likely to happen.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BuNga_cute on November 09, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.

So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem?

The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution.
I value your statement, it's more on how we find the solution than looking for the exact amount that it needed to solve this problem, you are right about it, if those rich people and wealthy government start to look for poor nations as part of their obligation and removed the kind of mindset of being greed. World hunger is a wide concern to discuss, but if everyone will involve themselves in the solution is always possible to find.

It's between the mindset that will spark this out and get a proper solution, not a quick one, but a long-lasting solution that will help mankind.

Musk might start it by providing the amount in hope that there are other Trillionaire out there to share his sentiment and start building solutions. :)

No matter how much money is spent to solve the problem of world hunger, it will not completely solve the problem. But if many people change
the mindset that controlling greed is very important and get involved in the problem of world hunger, it might be able to find a solution.
Because the problem of world hunger is indeed very complicated and requires a lot of people involved to solve it. I agree with you, the problem of
world hunger should indeed be found the right solution, not looking for a quick solution, so in the long term at least world hunger can be
resolved. Regarding Elon Musk who will give some money, it will not solve the problem of hunger, but it can awaken other rich people,
that we live in the world must help each other. Because after all humans are social creatures who need the help of others to live.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: shield132 on November 09, 2021, 11:15:20 PM
This is really good that he does at least some good things along with manipulating the market but somehow in my mind I still think that he does this in order to increase his influence over people and strengthen his overall image, make himself appear cool, Elon the savior. This kind of intentions behind "kind" actions is what I really hate but it's better to do something kind rather than do nothing or bad.

I think if anyone truly wants to bring something good to this world will be to help the poor nations by giving them quality education that includes trade skills too, show them the European lifestyle to implement in their countries instead of huge corruption, nepotism... Then the hunger will be lessened hugely.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Mackenzie87 on November 11, 2021, 06:03:10 AM
In terms of human nature, whether this is only a few percent of Musk's total wealth, this is something most people cannot do. Musk's ability to take such a move is already very admirable and admirable.
Although Musk’s donated assets are already a fortune, they are not enough to save the world’s hunger problem. Wars and disputes in some countries have not disappeared, and many people have been affected by the war. This cannot completely solve the fundamental problem. But in the end, I still want to praise Musk's behavior.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: FrancesF on November 11, 2021, 06:10:54 AM
Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.


[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics
I think what you said makes sense. In terms of donations, they may only be able to solve part of the superficial problems. They may return to their previous hungry environment after only a few meals. They need to solve the problem fundamentally. Letting them use their abilities to satisfy their food and clothing and teaching them how to make money is also the best way to save them. If you want to get some satisfaction, you have to work hard for it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Flexystar on November 11, 2021, 08:59:52 AM
That is a huge amount of money but I am not sure if it is worth selling the Tesla for the whole thing? I know, I know humanity before the immaterial things but honestly let’s not forget that Tesla is huge company and it feeds N-number of families around the globe. With Tesla all set to create more plants around the Asian countries it will also become amazing opportunistic Center for those Asian families.

I’m not sure why would he need to sell Tesla, if he can just give share from his personal wealth. I hope you guys understand what I really meant here. I support the donations and charities.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: lucates on November 11, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.

While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert.
There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though.
In  some extend 6 billon can resolve world hunger. But we have UN and other organization's fund, donations, global fundraising campaigns, charity etc. Then is not legitimate to say, apart from corporate tax Musk should spend more.

Solution is not only about money is more than that.  Is about technology, infrastructure, adress political instability, unemployment, climate change, disaster, etc. Because major reason for hunger is not lack of resources but accessibility.
But to do it, we have to attack the problem at it's root cause. Because world hunger is much more than empty stomach.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bekti3 on November 12, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.
I think it's a risk that must be accepted because currently Elon is a person who is followed by many people and of course everything he does there must be someone who likes it and someone who doesn't.
it's normal for him but if he wants to do something like that it's actually quite good, at least there are still people who want to do that and people who have excess wealth should at least be moved by what he's doing right now.
regardless of whether this is an image or not, it doesn't matter the most important thing is having a desire to help others is a positive thing


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 13, 2021, 11:13:39 AM
Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.

While in most cases I agree with this, there are still many cases where you can teach them fish all day long with no use, 'cause they're in the middle of the desert.
There are many who are too old to learn, there are many who live in areas they can't leave and where they can't "fish" (or they can, but won't catch anything). Those need simply food. Their kids need education though.
In  some extend 6 billon can resolve world hunger. But we have UN and other organization's fund, donations, global fundraising campaigns, charity etc. Then is not legitimate to say, apart from corporate tax Musk should spend more.

Solution is not only about money is more than that.  Is about technology, infrastructure, adress political instability, unemployment, climate change, disaster, etc. Because major reason for hunger is not lack of resources but accessibility.
But to do it, we have to attack the problem at it's root cause. Because world hunger is much more than empty stomach.


It makes no sense to constantly feed, and at the expense of other people's money, countries or entire regions. I do not know countries where there are no resources at all, where it is impossible to build factories and plants. Whether for garbage processing, or for assembling simple products. The problem is not that you cannot build. The problem is they DON'T NEED it. Until we all figure it out, we'll play this fake charity. And those who can really start their own country, and the state of their environment - do not want this, since it is difficult. It's easier when they just brought you food and clothes, you don't have to strain, work - just take it and consume it! Do you say "west consumer society"? No, this is where the real bearers of absolute consumerism are in complete irresponsibility.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Obito on November 13, 2021, 11:58:44 AM
I don't know the exact numbers to do so but I think that 6 billion isn't enough to completely solve world hunger. Unless they're seeing the short-term then it's probably going to work but to make a long-term impact, and what I mean by impact is that the solution can feed 3 to 4 generations then they're probably going to need a lot more than 6 billion.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 14, 2021, 02:40:47 PM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Finestream on November 15, 2021, 06:31:10 AM
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you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food
feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world
mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger.
And giving them money and money alone also isn't gonna solve their hunger and poverty, and probably that money won't last for even a week or two. The usual main reasons why they are in that specific situation is money, so for starters free proper education for the youth and free livelihood seminars for the adults and a job that is suited for them. And that will be a start to keep them surviving from hunger and eat thrice a day and eventually it can make this rise from the poverty if they manage it properly.

Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Falconer on November 15, 2021, 06:54:40 AM
Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem.
I agree with you. I think Elon Musk's desire to help reduce world hunger is not in the amount of money he gives, but in his caring attitude towards people who need help because in reality not all rich people in the world want to do or have the same mindset as him in term of humanitarian assistance, it is much more valuable in my eyes because he has a sense of caring for others.

Personally, I am amazed by Elon Musk's concern for his fellow human beings regardless of how many of his tweet have affected the crypto market both positively and negatively. This is a different case in my eyes.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fredomago on November 15, 2021, 01:47:40 PM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal.

Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bosede1 on November 15, 2021, 02:08:41 PM
I was laughing reading this because if Elon Musk decides today that he is going to donate this money to my Country it won't reach some people because of the level of poverty in the economy not to talk of the whole world. Inflation rate as really affected many things which made some people to fall below the absolute poverty line.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: BernyJB on November 15, 2021, 02:21:26 PM
That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.

so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat.
I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is  but at least he do show off some care.

Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out.

I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.

At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world.

He's not. It's just a PR stunt. If you really want to help, you help. You don't need to broadcast it.
PR stunt? You couldnt really tell because it is really just impossible that events like these wont really go to media knowing that Elon is the richest man on the world and
every move you do make specially dealing off with big money and its impossible that no one would be noticing it but i do understand on your point about not telling
everybody if you do really tend to make donation in silent but if that kind of fame and popularity level you do have then its less likely to happen.

I disagree. Being rich and powerful actually gives you access to many more tools if you want to protect your identity. True, not everybody can donate 6 billion bucks, but  if he really wanted to help he probably wouldn't need to, and a simple donation of that amount probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
The problem is he's expected to do charity, and that's wrong.
Lots of people feel they have a right to help others with someone else's money. Maybe they should use their own money to do that.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: milewilda on November 15, 2021, 06:10:48 PM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal.

Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.
You have a good point. $6B would not be enough as there are large number of countries who are experiencing poverty these days and can't even eat 3X a day. Instead of donating it literally for foods to solve world hunger which is definitely just a small amount, Elon could help the people even more through giving them sources of livelihood wherein they can feed their family and lessen poverty cases in the world. If Elon has this selfless intention to help, then his money and influence can create world change through prioritizing and giving the poor their stable jobs or good sources of income so they can work and create an income to sustain their family's needs.
Some saying that this was a PR but i do think the different thing because they wouldnt really just make themselves marketing out on just having on this way which is really not very ethical if you do ask
me on where using up a global problem situation for this kind of intention? that would surely backfire to him if there would really be someone would bust up but in overall thinking
then it is what for? He's known to be the richest and i dont see anything even just trying to hype tesla or something like that. 6B could not resolve world hunger but with this
amount then you could say that there would be lots that will really be able to eat.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: beerlover on November 15, 2021, 10:15:51 PM
Being rich and powerful actually gives you access to many more tools if you want to protect your identity. True, not everybody can donate 6 billion bucks, but  if he really wanted to help he probably wouldn't need to, and a simple donation of that amount probably wouldn't make much of a difference.
The problem is he's expected to do charity, and that's wrong.
Lots of people feel they have a right to help others with someone else's money. Maybe they should use their own money to do that.
He is not expected to donate his money, he is expected to pay decent taxes. If his company makes so much profit that he became the richest person in the world and made maybe close to 2x profit in under 2 years that means he should have paid a little bit more taxes?

If he kept on paying taxes like the people in his company paid, then he would have half of what he has in wealth, not because his company can't afford anything, they would still be a very wealthy company, a 500+ billion dollar company even, but they would not be 1 trillion, and that's fine, don't be a trillion, be half a trillion and pay a ton of taxes.

Not that they would have to pay that much taxes, that's "worth" of the company and not how much they have, they would have to pay 10-20-30 billion or whatever more, and that would be amazing if EVERY company did that. Workers pay more from their salary on % than companies pay on their income % so it is unfair. It is not donation, it is called a tax.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: karanggatak on November 15, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
That is a huge amount of money but I am not sure if it is worth selling the Tesla for the whole thing? I know, I know humanity before the immaterial things but honestly let’s not forget that Tesla is huge company and it feeds N-number of families around the globe. With Tesla all set to create more plants around the Asian countries it will also become amazing opportunistic Center for those Asian families.

I’m not sure why would he need to sell Tesla, if he can just give share from his personal wealth. I hope you guys understand what I really meant here. I support the donations and charities.
it mean, that number cant solve world hunger from that person opinion. money cant solve a thing if money bearer cant use it good enough, because the problem can be found from bringer.

how much tax you paid indicating how much youve got in a year, but we forget if that value doesnt mean he can spend money for the other thing, think about how is the future waiting his company.
and charity come from people heart, just let them play and play our role.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Kasabus on November 16, 2021, 04:54:16 AM
Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem.
I agree with you. I think Elon Musk's desire to help reduce world hunger is not in the amount of money he gives, but in his caring attitude towards people who need help because in reality not all rich people in the world want to do or have the same mindset as him in term of humanitarian assistance, it is much more valuable in my eyes because he has a sense of caring for others.

Personally, I am amazed by Elon Musk's concern for his fellow human beings regardless of how many of his tweet have affected the crypto market both positively and negatively. This is a different case in my eyes.
For me, Elon might be selfish in pursuing his own personal financial desires but he has still a selfless heart for the poor people. $6 billion is already a big amount of money but still, it cannot cater all the people who are suffering from world hunger. People will more appreciate it if he can extend another help too in providing jobs for the poor people who can't hardly survive from their daily lives. With all the riches and big influence he is enjoying right now, i know giving jobs for those jobless people will be very possible if he really wants to help.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Botnake on November 16, 2021, 07:17:32 AM
Elon's mindset is good and it is indeed a good deed to be made, but in reality that $6 Billion isn't gonna solve the problem.
I agree with you. I think Elon Musk's desire to help reduce world hunger is not in the amount of money he gives, but in his caring attitude towards people who need help because in reality not all rich people in the world want to do or have the same mindset as him in term of humanitarian assistance, it is much more valuable in my eyes because he has a sense of caring for others.

Personally, I am amazed by Elon Musk's concern for his fellow human beings regardless of how many of his tweet have affected the crypto market both positively and negatively. This is a different case in my eyes.
Even how negative a person is, there's always a good thing in him that will really come out when the welfare for other people will be at stake. I think its more of a humanitarian instinct, to do more good to others without expecting for returns. And in this case, Elon Musk is a great example.

With Elon's position right now, if he really wants to help those needy people particularly those who are in the state of famine, his money can really help a lot. But the most important is, its not the money that matters, but its the love and passion of Elon to help other people who are struggling to survive.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: noorman0 on November 17, 2021, 11:04:33 AM
For me, Elon might be selfish in pursuing his own personal financial desires but he has still a selfless heart for the poor people.


Never know the plans of a person/group especially if it is publicly stated. Nowadays, many people with hidden political and business interests take action on the basis of caring for humanity as a mask. By selling company shares means donating on behalf of the company. Sacrificing 2% of wealth in order to grow wider brand awareness is not a problem.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Zanab247 on November 18, 2021, 05:51:43 PM
I guess the damaged covid-19 virus has caused to the world economy, 6 billion cannot solve it. Till know many countries have never recover from the loss they experienced few years ago in the world economy. Inflation has created hunger in so many countries which will take them 4 or 5 years before they can over come hunger in the land. Even though government share 6 billion, it will not end the hunger in different countries in the world.
Many companies are looking for loan to use to improve their company to avoid collapse in the future. Now that many countries are now adopting bitcoin in their various environment, it will definitely end hunger totally in the world economy.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: syedakhlaque on November 20, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
The world,s poverty, hunger, and low standard of living in the big issue of today. The UNO is also always making efforts to help such suffering people. I think this is good news that "Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".
The service of suffering humanity is, in fact, the ascension of humanity. Different donors and institutions are doing this good act.NGOs are also busy helping the poor community. Bill gates also had good work for this noble cause.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: terrorJR on November 20, 2021, 05:05:44 PM
For me, Elon might be selfish in pursuing his own personal financial desires but he has still a selfless heart for the poor people.


Never know the plans of a person/group especially if it is publicly stated. Nowadays, many people with hidden political and business interests take action on the basis of caring for humanity as a mask. By selling company shares means donating on behalf of the company. Sacrificing 2% of wealth in order to grow wider brand awareness is not a problem.
when you look deeper it seems what you are saying is something that makes sense.
let's just see now that news about this is happening everywhere, even in my country, it's crowded about this and many people are praising this even though there has been no real realization.
the plan has just been crowded, especially when the implementation will be how they and the related companies will be cheered for in this regard. in the end they actually only sacrificed a little by getting a lot of advantages and highlights


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: freedomgo on November 20, 2021, 11:45:08 PM
For me, Elon might be selfish in pursuing his own personal financial desires but he has still a selfless heart for the poor people.


Never know the plans of a person/group especially if it is publicly stated. Nowadays, many people with hidden political and business interests take action on the basis of caring for humanity as a mask. By selling company shares means donating on behalf of the company. Sacrificing 2% of wealth in order to grow wider brand awareness is not a problem.
when you look deeper it seems what you are saying is something that makes sense.
let's just see now that news about this is happening everywhere, even in my country, it's crowded about this and many people are praising this even though there has been no real realization.
the plan has just been crowded, especially when the implementation will be how they and the related companies will be cheered for in this regard. in the end they actually only sacrificed a little by getting a lot of advantages and highlights
I guess there's always a hidden agenda in every good thing that is Elon did, and i know we will find it out soon. The fact that he is making sacrifices for now for his own future profits, then all these things are still all about for his own selfish desire.

I think Elon does not only manipulate the crypto market, but he is also capable to deceive the crowd through his own mask. He might win this game for now, but i know karma will eventually work for him in the future. 


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 24, 2021, 01:36:30 PM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal.

Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.

Yes, there are many people who want to work, there are also many who are lazy, I believe that the lazy would do them even worse harm, if he generates sources of work it would be a much greater help.

At the moment I live in a country where it is very difficult to have a company, those who have a company have it, it is to help their workers and not leave them without work, if Elon Musk helps those people to capitalize with better production, with material cousin, I think it would be better because it would open new jobs, and that would be a better help


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Issa56 on November 24, 2021, 09:05:33 PM
I don't think that can solve world hunger problem, actually it can reduce the amount of hunger in the world but it can't completely eradicate it because I believe some people in some part of the world won't have access to the fund so I believe it can't completely eradicate it because some people wont benefit but I believe it will help lots of people that benefit from it.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: albon on November 26, 2021, 08:52:17 PM
Hunger will not be completely eliminated, but it can be reduced by a large percentage. 6 billion dollars. It is a huge amount. Therefore, if this amount is used in poor countries to reclaim agricultural land and build factories, job opportunities will be created, agricultural, industrial, and animal production will increase, self-sufficiency will be achieved, and unemployment rates will decrease. and poverty.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dimox on November 27, 2021, 01:23:01 PM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal.

Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.

Yes, there are many people who want to work, there are also many who are lazy, I believe that the lazy would do them even worse harm, if he generates sources of work it would be a much greater help.

At the moment I live in a country where it is very difficult to have a company, those who have a company have it, it is to help their workers and not leave them without work, if Elon Musk helps those people to capitalize with better production, with material cousin, I think it would be better because it would open new jobs, and that would be a better help


sometimes, people wont glance at lazy person, they will find the other person who want to work more and more. prefer to give hard worker than the lazy, of course the lazy will hard to get job. not only from outside, but also from inside.

the main problem is, no fund to create new job for them. we can say that rich must give opportunity, so they can give the best for their life. sadly, rich have own decision to control it money.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Fredomago on November 27, 2021, 06:33:24 PM

sometimes, people wont glance at lazy person, they will find the other person who want to work more and more. prefer to give hard worker than the lazy, of course the lazy will hard to get job. not only from outside, but also from inside.
You can answer that by yourself. If you are in their shoe would you hire those kinds of people? For sure, you won't lazy. People deserve what they have now. There are always opportunities to every person who is seeking to change their life, you just need to find your space and do your best to enhance more.

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the main problem is, no fund to create new job for them. we can say that rich must give opportunity, so they can give the best for their life. sadly, rich have own decision to control it money.

They have the control and most of them are greed to kept more and if there are who love sharing it's just a little portions of their wealth.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Hamphser on November 27, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
Hunger will not be completely eliminated, but it can be reduced by a large percentage. 6 billion dollars. It is a huge amount. Therefore, if this amount is used in poor countries to reclaim agricultural land and build factories, job opportunities will be created, agricultural, industrial, and animal production will increase, self-sufficiency will be achieved, and unemployment rates will decrease. and poverty.
Yeah it wont be completely eliminated because global hunger is something that we are trying to solve for ages which 6billion wont really be enough imho but at least this one

would cover up a big scope of giving out who are need in food which is really a good step or move made out for the sake of this problem but expect that this wont be enough

but at least lots had been benenfited on this one even though its not really that enough but at least there are people who do make out considerations.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: husnija on November 27, 2021, 11:41:41 PM
Of course it is not only a contribution but a challenge that the problem of hunger cannot be solved if corruption is still rampant, rulers are more concerned with their self-gratification and ignore the little people


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 27, 2021, 11:53:42 PM
Hunger will not be completely eliminated, but it can be reduced by a large percentage. 6 billion dollars. It is a huge amount. Therefore, if this amount is used in poor countries to reclaim agricultural land and build factories, job opportunities will be created, agricultural, industrial, and animal production will increase, self-sufficiency will be achieved, and unemployment rates will decrease. and poverty.
Yeah it wont be completely eliminated because global hunger is something that we are trying to solve for ages which 6billion wont really be enough imho but at least this one

would cover up a big scope of giving out who are need in food which is really a good step or move made out for the sake of this problem but expect that this wont be enough

but at least lots had been benenfited on this one even though its not really that enough but at least there are people who do make out considerations.

$6B is indeed not enough but it will make a difference to wherever it may go to. let's accept that it will not solve the world hunger, but will make a dent with this long-running prob.
what would be better is the self-sufficiency of the people to be addressed. because if you will just give food for few days, it is not sustainable. provide jobs, agricultural farmland or whatever is necessary so people will not rely on the government. look at long-term solutions not a band-aid ones.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on November 28, 2021, 05:10:27 PM
For me, Elon might be selfish in pursuing his own personal financial desires but he has still a selfless heart for the poor people.


Never know the plans of a person/group especially if it is publicly stated. Nowadays, many people with hidden political and business interests take action on the basis of caring for humanity as a mask. By selling company shares means donating on behalf of the company. Sacrificing 2% of wealth in order to grow wider brand awareness is not a problem.
when you look deeper it seems what you are saying is something that makes sense.
let's just see now that news about this is happening everywhere, even in my country, it's crowded about this and many people are praising this even though there has been no real realization.
the plan has just been crowded, especially when the implementation will be how they and the related companies will be cheered for in this regard. in the end they actually only sacrificed a little by getting a lot of advantages and highlights
I guess there's always a hidden agenda in every good thing that is Elon did, and i know we will find it out soon. The fact that he is making sacrifices for now for his own future profits, then all these things are still all about for his own selfish desire.

I think Elon does not only manipulate the crypto market, but he is also capable to deceive the crowd through his own mask. He might win this game for now, but i know karma will eventually work for him in the future. 

I don't know how much Elon Musk's goodwill is, but what I am clear about is that this is not the real solution to the problem in question, we always have to think about the negative aspect of things, and there are many, commercial brands, wanting to have worldwide attention, that you are recognized worldwide, it is redeemable that if Elon Musk does this from the heart he has heaven completely won, because it would be a unique gesture of charity, but if and only if he does it from the heart, rest and hopefully that no, it is for other purposes that somehow make it relevant in the eyes of the world, or that it is looking for other objectives.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Dragonfund on November 28, 2021, 06:08:33 PM
I don't think that can solve world hunger problem, actually it can reduce the amount of hunger in the world but it can't completely eradicate it because I believe some people in some part of the world won't have access to the fund so I believe it can't completely eradicate it because some people wont benefit but I believe it will help lots of people that benefit from it.

Because it cant completely eradicate doesn't mean is not possible, remember it was just a statistical estimations which means the data collected can either be above or a little below. Elon didn't give the estimate, the value tweeted draw his attention and he feel if it's magically possible, he will help.
Haven't you seen how Paris fund was distributed? With proper management, that fund will get to everyone but the question is, is it possible that every country will be that transparent to spend the fund wisely when they are given the chance to do so.
Life is not balance though, it will be very hard to completely eliminate poverty.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: josephdd1 on November 29, 2021, 03:48:14 AM
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?
I know that capital of Elon Musk is about 340 billion dollars, so 6 billion is really only 2% and if is such a small portion of his money can help a big number of people to overcome hunger, it is great. But actually, I don't think that Elon is a kind person who is altruist. If he helps, he will be in a public eye again, and I think that he just enjoys being in a public attention.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: raidarksword on November 29, 2021, 06:04:48 AM
For me, any amount is a good start of feed the hungry countries and it's just a matter of being a humane in this world to help and feed to people who are hungry. Any world organization cannot rely on one man alone, people should also stand up and raise funds to eradicate world hunger and I know for sure Elon Musk is willing to give a humanitarian funds to feed the hungry.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: bakasabo on November 29, 2021, 09:02:36 AM
I have a feeling, that in general worlds hunger problem is unsolvable. There are regions in the world, that suffer hunger due to their location. And the only way to solve this issue is to either move whole population somewhere, or make such donations temporary and infinite. This would be as same as donation 6 billion to solve covid problem and make vaccine. But covid problem is not about people getting vaccinated. Vaccinated people still get infected and die. Same I see is with hunger, hungry people can be feed, but in a week, month or a year 6 billions will be spent and they will become hungry again. 6 billions is a help, but not a solution.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: DrBeer on November 30, 2021, 09:42:19 PM
I have a feeling, that in general worlds hunger problem is unsolvable. There are regions in the world, that suffer hunger due to their location. And the only way to solve this issue is to either move whole population somewhere, or make such donations temporary and infinite. This would be as same as donation 6 billion to solve covid problem and make vaccine. But covid problem is not about people getting vaccinated. Vaccinated people still get infected and die. Same I see is with hunger, hungry people can be feed, but in a week, month or a year 6 billions will be spent and they will become hungry again. 6 billions is a help, but not a solution.

Real areas with critical living conditions - probably about 1-2%, no more. The problem for everyone else - from laziness to habits / traditions / religious characteristics, etc. That is - depending exclusively on the "suffering" themselves. Moreover, the practice of constant "maintenance", for people who were really suffering yesterday, develops today the habit of what someone will think for them, will feed and support them. Until international funds start building industrial facilities for their money and training staff in locations with hunger, instead of simply eating them up, the situation will not only not change, moreover, it will noticeably worsen! The consumers of our help are completely degrading the concept of responsibility, they know that in any case they will be fed, they continue to do nothing, have a huge number of children, and continue to demand that all of them be fed ... And very soon they will become a new weapon of mass destruction " humanitarian terrorism ", some of them are already being used for these purposes


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 02, 2021, 04:12:04 AM
How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.

Although Elon Musk can do this charity work that is very well received by those most in need, I think they would be making a serious mistake, first people would be getting used to things being given to them, that there is no need to work to eat because a millionaire would feed them, in this case if I am completely in agreement with Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki that everyone should learn to fish, but not to give them fish, this will cause people to take refuge only in what they are given , and his own experience living in a country where a ruler gives the lazy everything they need to live, what they achieve is that people are formed without the desire to work and lazily.


You said it right buds! some of those people who will receive this charity work will be used to keep getting this money for free. Instead of providing this kind of charity works its much better to train them how to make money or hire them to work for your business, this is much better for long-term solutions, good compensations that will allow them to send their kids to good school, I view this point as solution permanently and not just for temporal.

Musk can create livelihood where people who he wanted to help can work and have a decent job. With $6B he can establish more business from different sides of the world, especially those places where poverty is really being felt.

Yes, there are many people who want to work, there are also many who are lazy, I believe that the lazy would do them even worse harm, if he generates sources of work it would be a much greater help.

At the moment I live in a country where it is very difficult to have a company, those who have a company have it, it is to help their workers and not leave them without work, if Elon Musk helps those people to capitalize with better production, with material cousin, I think it would be better because it would open new jobs, and that would be a better help


sometimes, people wont glance at lazy person, they will find the other person who want to work more and more. prefer to give hard worker than the lazy, of course the lazy will hard to get job. not only from outside, but also from inside.

the main problem is, no fund to create new job for them. we can say that rich must give opportunity, so they can give the best for their life. sadly, rich have own decision to control it money.

Initially the problem of work exists almost for all countries, in my case I live in a country where industrialization and progress is totally stagnant by a very corrupt government system, therefore job opportunities decrease for the average in general, but When I see the news, in countries that are prosperous with very good economies they also have employment problems, people find it difficult to get jobs, so there lies the main problem that has to do with laziness, in the country where I am the government started giving away food , money, and now many people have got used to the fact that everything has to be given to them and they do not want to work, the truth is that the situation can become very serious.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Vaculin on December 02, 2021, 08:16:07 AM
I have a feeling, that in general worlds hunger problem is unsolvable. There are regions in the world, that suffer hunger due to their location. And the only way to solve this issue is to either move whole population somewhere, or make such donations temporary and infinite. This would be as same as donation 6 billion to solve covid problem and make vaccine. But covid problem is not about people getting vaccinated. Vaccinated people still get infected and die. Same I see is with hunger, hungry people can be feed, but in a week, month or a year 6 billions will be spent and they will become hungry again. 6 billions is a help, but not a solution.
6 billion is definitely not enough to solve the world hunger, although it’s a big help already but it will not definitely solve the problem. Yes, I agree on you, it can help temporarily but after few days or months, the people will be hungry again. If I were on the position of Elon, I would rather donate funds for livelihood projects so that a lot of people will have their own job and certainly provide foods on their table. This might help for a long term as long as people are not lazy enough. Still, 6 billion can be of great help already so the people should still thank Elon for that, unless he has his own hidden agenda why he’s doing that kind of charity.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: breathlessz on December 02, 2021, 09:25:19 AM
I have a feeling, that in general worlds hunger problem is unsolvable. There are regions in the world, that suffer hunger due to their location. And the only way to solve this issue is to either move whole population somewhere, or make such donations temporary and infinite. This would be as same as donation 6 billion to solve covid problem and make vaccine. But covid problem is not about people getting vaccinated. Vaccinated people still get infected and die. Same I see is with hunger, hungry people can be feed, but in a week, month or a year 6 billions will be spent and they will become hungry again. 6 billions is a help, but not a solution.
6 billion is definitely not enough to solve the world hunger, although it’s a big help already but it will not definitely solve the problem. Yes, I agree on you, it can help temporarily but after few days or months, the people will be hungry again. If I were on the position of Elon, I would rather donate funds for livelihood projects so that a lot of people will have their own job and certainly provide foods on their table. This might help for a long term as long as people are not lazy enough. Still, 6 billion can be of great help already so the people should still thank Elon for that, unless he has his own hidden agenda why he’s doing that kind of charity.
at least we can appreciate the help given by Elon, even though there is a tendency behind it or not. Such assistance has indeed been very helpful, although it has not been able to eliminate hunger. indeed by helping them to get out of poverty is better, but the donor himself prefers to help hunger, and I think it is his right


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: dzonikg28 on December 02, 2021, 02:32:22 PM
I have a feeling, that in general worlds hunger problem is unsolvable. There are regions in the world, that suffer hunger due to their location. And the only way to solve this issue is to either move whole population somewhere, or make such donations temporary and infinite. This would be as same as donation 6 billion to solve covid problem and make vaccine. But covid problem is not about people getting vaccinated. Vaccinated people still get infected and die. Same I see is with hunger, hungry people can be feed, but in a week, month or a year 6 billions will be spent and they will become hungry again. 6 billions is a help, but not a solution.
6 billion is definitely not enough to solve the world hunger, although it’s a big help already but it will not definitely solve the problem. Yes, I agree on you, it can help temporarily but after few days or months, the people will be hungry again. If I were on the position of Elon, I would rather donate funds for livelihood projects so that a lot of people will have their own job and certainly provide foods on their table. This might help for a long term as long as people are not lazy enough. Still, 6 billion can be of great help already so the people should still thank Elon for that, unless he has his own hidden agenda why he’s doing that kind of charity.

I think that money right now would be important as we have the Corona crisis peaking again and there are people around the world without access to vaccines plus they also lack food. As a temporary measure in this specific situation it would most likely be best if a billionaire like Musk just tries to help solve the problem by donating money. He will still be around $300 billion afterwards.
Was the idea that 6 billion solve hunger for everyone in the world? I thought they were talking about a specific area, but not sure though.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Bilgent on December 02, 2021, 02:59:58 PM
Of course, it wouldn't solve the world hunger problem. It is not a thing that you can do easily. Then, it would already have been solved by now as a money like 6 billion dollars is not too much for even one of the rich people in the world. It is about more than money. Above all else, it is the order of the world I'm afraid. There is always going to be poor and rich people situation.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: habebe on December 07, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
I don’t think 6 billion is enough to completely solve the hunger and poverty in this world.  Unless they see the situation now and the government will probably find a way to solve such difficulties and for long term impact, and I mean the impact will cause it to be solved and can feed many generations there to know after that will be needed.  they have a lot more than 6 billion to help make the world hungry.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Oilacris on December 07, 2021, 10:25:01 PM
I don’t think 6 billion is enough to completely solve the hunger and poverty in this world.  Unless they see the situation now and the government will probably find a way to solve such difficulties and for long term impact, and I mean the impact will cause it to be solved and can feed many generations there to know after that will be needed.  they have a lot more than 6 billion to help make the world hungry.
Wont really be enough because this is a global problem that cant really be just resolved on few billions but at least we do see that there are

still people who do really mind off in regards on this problem and we know that this isnt a small amount which lots would benefit out on
able to eat on a particular day.

Dont know if this is some sort of PR or agenda but we know that it could benefit out.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: realcrypto on December 09, 2021, 12:14:45 AM
If Elon Musk donates 6 billion dollars for this reason it will go a long way to solve the problem of hunger in the world, but as long as the earth remains no matter the amount of money donated towards this purpose, hunger cannot be totally eradicated. Hunger is caused by Bad weather, Disease outbreaks, Pests, War, Falling prices for crops, Rising prices for food and Low wages or unemployment. In other words, if there is any way all what I have mentioned can be solved globally then hunger and be eradicated.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Victorik on December 09, 2021, 05:11:31 AM
The best of the intentions of men is still not good enough because the heart of men is desperately wicked.
Even if Elon Musk donates his entire wealth to solve the hunger problem. It will still fail in achieving this. These monies will only end up enriching a few people who will definitely embezzle these funds.


Title: Re: 6 billion to solve world hunger?
Post by: Juse14 on December 09, 2021, 11:01:35 AM
The best of the intentions of men is still not good enough because the heart of men is desperately wicked.
Even if Elon Musk donates his entire wealth to solve the hunger problem. It will still fail in achieving this. These monies will only end up enriching a few people who will definitely embezzle these funds.
There must be clear transparency if this is really going to happen.
But indeed bad people will always take advantage of things like this even if their intentions are good but the application will not work properly and as you say, if there is no transparency with this it is tantamount to giving wealth for free to a few people