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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).
In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine. Well, I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty. So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
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Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.
[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statisticsyou are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
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November 07, 2021, 08:32:27 PM |
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I have researched and found that lots of poor people don't have the intentions to work. So even if riches ask poor people to work to get money for their work, there will be more exploitation than 'helping out' because riches will behave like a boss then. I totally agree with your systemic poverty line, but the mental state of poors have been so much narrowed down that they are unable to come out of that, thinking they have no life and due to less to zero knowledge, they don't know about and cannot learn anything new. If everybody starts thinking the way you think, then there will be no donations at all.
I do not know what your "research" looks like, could you share your thesis? Could you share your data please? Could you share the place where your scientific research was published? Or is it more like "this is what I believe and I have seen a few people like that so I will keep on believing this"? Because it sounds awful lot like you did not do a proper research like scientists does and only providing your own views as research which is fake. There are so many people in the world that would be willing to work for money, only if you give them a proper goal, if you are talking about "well they could pick the garbage and burn them" yes there could be very few people willing to do that job, but do you really believe that some guy who studied for 4 years in college, then 2 years in masters then gets offer from McDonalds and rejects it, "doesn't want to work"? They want a proper job for their education, that is the main problem here.
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November 07, 2021, 09:37:44 PM |
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~ you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger.
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November 07, 2021, 09:48:20 PM |
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~ you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger. It depends what people you are talking about. If it's a farmer's family in an african country I agree these people really need special attention, but if it's an addicted person or a pickpocket who live on the streets of a big center taking advantage of another citizens and from the society it's really a matter of mindset, because they have no fair reason to live and behave like that. The problem is that those people who really need help are all labeled as lazy and despicable because the ones who don't deserve any help and end being totally supported by populist political agendas who seek for their votes.
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Again, he loves being El-On, having a proposal to deliver money for the solution of something that has been going on for so many years, this is to divert attention news to only allow ElOn to seem like a benign benefactor, whether he donates them or not that money does not help the problem in the future, it is reality, the root problem is another.
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November 07, 2021, 11:06:16 PM |
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~ you are right, after all poverty is a matter of "mindset" not just about food feeding all the poor people in the world will not be able to solve the problem of poverty that continues to exist in this world mass education and also self-awareness of the person who will make the problem of poverty reduced
Poverty is not a mindset, there are people around the world that are struggling to have proper food three times a day and it is not a mindset, it is a fact. You need to identify the reason they are not coming up in life and you need to give special attention to the people who are struggling and that takes a lot of effort and time to change the situation, but setting up an amount alone will not solve global hunger. It depends what people you are talking about. If it's a farmer's family in an african country I agree these people really need special attention, but if it's an addicted person or a pickpocket who live on the streets of a big center taking advantage of another citizens and from the society it's really a matter of mindset, because they have no fair reason to live and behave like that. The problem is that those people who really need help are all labeled as lazy and despicable because the ones who don't deserve any help and end being totally supported by populist political agendas who seek for their votes. Indeed, true! ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) there are people who are hiding to this reality, they are doing laziness and unfair ways of living and yet they calling themselves poor; they have ways to increase the chance of improving their lifestyle but they are just content with how they wanted to live, pick pocketers and those drug addicted people who mostly came from the poorest sides of society. They have other alternatives, but they choose to live like this. If ever Elon will really donate that amount, the next issue might be to who will hold the funds with honest ways of distributing it. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) A lot of government who are corrupt, we see that from how this pandemic reveals those greedy officials. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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Have you read the latest news? "Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".( source). This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).
In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine. If interpreted based on google data, that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth. What do you think, Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger? How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective? Nope. I think 6B$ cannot sustain a year long feeding for these hungry people. These people are there because most of them don't want to work. Some are just unlucky enough. Some have disabilities. Even if UN give them a job, some of them wont do it out of laziness. So yeah, 6B$ wont even fund it til mid 2022. However, countries like africa really needs help. This amount will do a lot for them but again cant sustain a year long fund. Yes, if we only target the poor countries that are really struggling, this could have a significant positive impact on the economy and the lives of the people in that country. However, if we target the entire world, it is not worth it because 6 billion dollars is insufficient. The best approach is to find or select a country that is in desperate need of assistance, and then to donate an amount that will allow their citizens to at least survive for a year, or to assist them in starting a business that will generate monthly income.
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November 08, 2021, 08:54:42 AM |
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How Elon Musk is even planning to solve hunger issue? Just by buying lots of food for $6 billion? That would solve the problem for couple of days or months. If he plans to direct this money to build an infrastructure that will produce or generate food, than I cant imagine how long will it take till everything starts to give first fruits of success. No doubt it will take years. In several years hunger problem will evolve and $6 billions will not be enough.
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6 billion to solve world hunger? The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes!
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November 08, 2021, 10:44:14 AM |
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It is not easy to solve world hunger in many countries because we still face the pandemic and it is not showing ends until now. The country needs to focus to solve this pandemic before they can move to the next target and solve it. But solving world hunger is not just a job for the government but for all people who can help each other and give them food. In this pandemic, it is better to help people so we can see pandemic ends so. The problem of world hunger has existed for a long time and until now it has not been completely resolved, because it is not easy to solve world hunger. Especially with the pandemic, I believe the number of hungry people in the world is increasing. I agree this is the job of all of us who have extra money, in order to help hungry people. Actually helping starving people is not effective only to provide financial aid or food, but skills training must be provided so that these hungry people have skills and can make money. The main problem of world hunger, because they don't understand how to make money other than working for other people. I prefer if people starve because they have no income, are taught to be entrepreneurs, so the opportunity to make money does not only depend on working in the company. With the pandemic still appearing in almost all countries, it makes the government think twice to solve the world hunger as they still focus to solve the pandemic before it is too late. But I am sure that the government have a plan to do something for that person who suffers because of the pandemic and hunger problem. At least, if we can share food with them, they can eat something and then, we can ask them to join us to get training that can improve their skills to search for a job. If people can open their minds to learn something to have skills that can help them to make money, they will have a chance to create a new job and solve their problem and help other people. For all countries overcoming the pandemic is the main thing, so the government of each country will plan something to relieve the population who are indeed affected by the pandemic, which has not yet ended. Especially the people who lost their jobs and starved because of the difficulty of making money. Usually the government will provide direct assistance in the form of money and food, after that the government will provide training to increase the ability of the population, in order to make money. At least that's the government's plan in my country, but in practice it can't reach everyone. There are always people who do not get government assistance, therefore care is needed from the rich, to help the government by helping people who are starving because they have lost their jobs. Although I am not a rich person, but I am a person who has stable finances, so I helped the hungry people who were near where I lived. Because indeed we as humans must help each other.
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November 08, 2021, 12:35:16 PM |
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6 billion to solve world hunger? The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes! Indeed. Money is not a problem here but the will to solve the problem. Since before, hunger is always been the problem even in other countries. I think it's better to make a charitable works than doing nothing. It's better to do some good works to make a big changes to this problem. Helping each other might be a big help also to solve this.
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November 08, 2021, 12:54:03 PM |
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The move is amazing and I wish that Elon would go for this. However, we must understand that these funds do not always end up in the right hand. Not all humans are like minded not all are honest with their work. I’m not going for the negative points here but it is what it is. If Elon spares 6 billion dollars then we are not 100% sure that all of it will reach to the end users. If this would have been so easy then there are already billion dollar worth foundations running around the world but how much of help is reached to them?
In this scenario Elon should take step forward by creating own trusts and helping out the needy through his trusted workers.
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November 08, 2021, 01:50:36 PM |
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Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.
[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statisticsPeople have starved on Earth at all times and no one has ever been able to finally solve this problem. Now, due to climate change, various natural disasters and man-made disasters have become more frequent. This means that the number of people who will be annoying will increase. Elon Musk can feed the hungry several times with six billion dollars, but all the same, the problem will not be solved.
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November 08, 2021, 01:55:27 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
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November 08, 2021, 08:48:50 PM |
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6 billion to solve world hunger? The problem is not in the money, the problem is in the will to solve the problem! World hunger is a problem, as climate changes are the problem, to not mention all other global problems with pollution, clear water... and what big global players are doing about that? I guess it's not in their interest to do anything about that, so we have a lot of talking about it, but not so many real actions that can make some real and big changes! Indeed. Money is not a problem here but the will to solve the problem. Since before, hunger is always been the problem even in other countries. I think it's better to make a charitable works than doing nothing. It's better to do some good works to make a big changes to this problem. Helping each other might be a big help also to solve this. Charity is well applicable to people who have no opportunity to change their situation - seriously ill people, children, etc. for whom there is no other option but to live off the direct financial assistance of others. But pity for lazy people is stupid. It won't fix them. Moreover, eating YOUR money, they will laugh at you, and tomorrow DEMAND, as if you owe them.
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November 08, 2021, 09:11:49 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same.
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November 08, 2021, 09:32:12 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done.
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November 08, 2021, 09:34:06 PM |
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I am not sure what kind of plans David Beasley have with this kind of statement that he made. But looking at it the other way around you can see that it might be quite possible. So let us say that there are 7 billion people in the world, and Elon Musk has $6 billion to give out to help people around the world, doesn’t that mean it’s going to be enough at least for 5 billion people out of the 7 billion? And moreover is not more than half of the world that is living in poverty.
So in some kind of way, I think that is going to workout. But then looking at it in another way again,you’d say that it’s not going to be possible ‘cause they usually say that when you give a man a fish,he would come back to ask for more, but when you teach a man how to fish then that’s a better way for them. So, it’s all about what they’re going to do with the money, with a good plan I believe maybe there is going to be some progress in that.
Yeah, there are two types of people who are approaching this in a wrong manner and that is the main problem and why we have starvation in the world right now. One of them is pointing out that 6 billion dollars is not enough, like that would solve the problem. So, let's assume that 6 billion dollars is not enough, then how much is enough? What do we need to do and how much do we need to spend to fix this problem? Why do we talk about the amount not being enough instead of talking about how we can solve this problem? The other type of people are talking about how this is a "democrat" way like it is some American problem, this isn't about democrat VS republican, it is not even about USA, it is about world hunger and people who are starving are not only from USA, it is rarely from there, it is mostly in other nations. We need to get all the rich people in the world, all the governments who could afford a bit to spare, and find a solution.
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November 08, 2021, 09:38:23 PM |
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That's only a small amount to solve the world hunger, however, the intention to help is big and if It's true then I would certainly admire Elon for doing that. At least he can help a huge number of hungry people in the world and that's his way to sharing back to the world from the fruits of his labor.
so the question of whether it will solve? it will definitely not but he can be a model and other billionaires might follow.
To eradicate the damage to the world, this nominal is indeed very small, but at least this can help those who really need and are hungry because there are still many people who are still very difficult to even eat. I really appreciate what Elon is doing and I hope other Influenc and other billionaires do the same. Instead of getting some appreciation on what Elon had done but instead he do get out some criticism or negative feedbacks about such matter on 6 billion wouldnt be enough? Yes it is but at least he do show off some care. Dont know if this is some publicity or something like that but its really good that he had made out some considerations on making this donation even though not enough but at least lots would really be benefiting out. I do also appreciate on what Elon had done. At least he is willing to contribute to one of the world's major problems. Though it is not yet received by the organization as he said he is waiting for the breakdown on how this amount will solve this problem from responsible persons on this organization, still the idea that he is willing to share some of his stocks is for me should be appreciated. Because there are also billionaires like him, but what is their stance when it comes to poverty? We know some of them have their own nonprofit organizations but if a lot of these rich people will do the same as what Elon is willing to do, that would really be a great impact to the world, and may finally lessen the hunger crisis around the world.
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