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Title: How to profit from the stock market, no matter what! Updated 02/16/12
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
Updated this post to reflect my past performance, from the time I first posted, up to 02/16/2012. I added historical info because some people seem to have a hard time understanding that this is a LONG TERM approach, NOT A GET RICH QUICK trade.

I have a proven system where it will generate you solid income no matter where the market heads next, up or down, it doesn't matter.
In order for this system to work effectively, you must have about $2500 - $10,000 to invest. This is because a trade costs $7 to execute on say Scottrade, and the fees would eat into your profit margin if your capital amount is too low.

The method I will reveal to you is very safe, almost zero risk.
You can make 15-25% or even more on your money per yr, with almost zero risk. Believe me, when you are making that kind of return, it doesn't matter where the market heads next. With my method, you win no matter what. If stock price go up, you win, if it goes down, you win.
I consider this a very low risk method because this method cannot fully protect you if stock lose 80% of it's value and couldn't recover.
But if you use my method and stock pick recommendation, that sort of thing will almost never happen.

Really cannot give out specific examples, as that would give away my strategy.
Note that this is NOT a get rich quick scheme. You must be willing to invest in the market for the long run. Minimum 3 months to 1 yr. The longer the better, and the more stable your return would be.

Let's just say that using this method, even if a gold stock goes nowhere in 12 months, you would have made about 50% return.

Let me know if you are interested. The price is $100 and up. I will teach you one on one via skype or other ways.
To learn it, you need to have internet connection, access to stock market (Google finance, Ex-Trade, Scottrade, etc, it doesn't matter), and simply addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division skills. Basically, ANYBODY that understands this post should be able to learn it.

I must say that I did NOT come up with the system. It has been used for a very long time, but used by very few traders, less than 1%. A lot of big funds managers don't know about this method either.
If you use this same method, you can retire a millionaire, but not really a billionaire, unless you are really good at it and keeps on investing.

SPECIFIC EXAMPLES
These are trades that I ACTUALLY did. The transaction fee is erased. The amount column shows the amount I receive or spend AFTER transaction fees.
Note that transaction fee is a big portion of these trades, thus you will get a better return if you spend $3000. All dates in mm/dd/yyyy.
Example 1. Trading NVDA
I didn't intend to use this technique at first, but then I changed my mind. Thus, this one I did not make much money on.
1. Bought NVDA on 07/06/2011 and 09/07/2011
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4305/nvdapurchase.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/nvdapurchase.jpg/)

2. Payment I RECEIVE on 09/07/2011
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5074/nvda2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/nvda2.jpg/)

3. Another Payment I receive on 10/24/2011
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9532/nvda3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/nvda3.jpg/)

4. Mind you, I did NOT sell the stock. I still own it to this very day. The image below proves that. You can check the price as of 12/07/2011 market close.
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/511/nvdacurrentposition.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/nvdacurrentposition.jpg/)

If I were to sell NVDA, I would make even more money, but I decide to keep NVDA.
I could have made more, but I decide to take it slowly and safely.

5. Time line
07/11/2011, buy 193 shares for $3,010.07
09/07/2011, buy 7 shares for $106.12
09/07/2011, received payment of 94.49
10/24/2011, received payment of $134.48
12/14/2011, paid expense of $23.50
01/05/2012, received payment of $80.48

6. Profit Calculation
Cost to buy 200 shares: $3010.07 + $106.12 = $3116.19.
Received payments: $94.49 + $134.48 + 80.48 = $309.45
Paid expenses: 23.50.
Total received less expenses (excluding original stock purchase price) = $309.45 - $23.50 = $285.95
Return on investment is $228.97 / $3116.19 = 9.17%. And I still own the stock!
As of 02/16/2012, NVDA is trading for $16.45 x 200 shares = $3290.

Again, this NVDA is not a very good example, as I wasn't really gonna use this technique on NVDA at first.

Example 2. Trading NLY
1. Bought NLY on 10/05/2011 and 10/06/2011
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6637/nlypurchase.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/nlypurchase.jpg/)

2. Got paid
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2097/nly2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/nly2.jpg/)

3. Profit Calculation
Spend $2138.45 + $1003.45 = $3141.90
Received one payment of $128.49
Return on investment in say 1 month is $128.49 / $3141.90 = 4.0896%
Here, I spend a total of $3141.90 to buy the shares.
Got paid $128.49.
$128.49 / $3141.90 = 4.089%
Here, I made well 4%+ in a month, or at least 4% * 12 months = 48% a year.
I have then sold the shares at about $16. If I were to put the gains from that too, the return percentage would be even higher.

Example 3. Trading MSFT
1. Time line
11/22/2011, buy 100 shares for $2489.99
11/28/2011, buy 100 shares for $2493.76
11/28/2011, received payment 182.49
11/29/2011, buy 200 shares for $4990.52
12/01/2011, received payment $116.49

2. Profit Calculation
Cost to buy 400 shares: $2489.99 + $2493.76 + $4990.52 = $9974.27
Received payments: $182.49 + $116.49 = $298.98
Sold 400 shares: $10165.8
Return on investment if I didn't sell the stock: $298.98 / $9974.27 = 3%. And I would still own the stock.
Return on investment if I sell the stock: ($10165.8 + $298.98 - 9974.27) / $9974.27 = $490.51 / $9974.27 = 4.92%.
As of 2/16/2012, MSFT trades for over $30. But heck, I made 4.93% in ONE month.


I have posted SOME screen shots, but NOT ALL the transaction I did.
The full system is even more powerful than what I've shown.
I can't post everything, because I would give out the entire secret.

As you can see, you can easily make over $100 on this on your first trade. So this $100 cost is really nothing, compared to how quickly you will make this payment back. Once you learned this method, you would keep thanking me for sharing this with you. That is if you are a serious long term investor. I would appreciate it if you send me a little extra $$ once I made you a rich man/woman. Yes, I am that confident in this system.

THIS SYSTEM IS
1. NOT a get rich quick scheme. You need to be willing to invest LONG TERM. Short term is classified as less than 3 months. This method works best when you invest over 1 year period.
2. No margin account required. Anyone can sign up and begin trading within days.
3. No other products to buy.
4. I recommend having minimum of $3,000 to invest.
5. NOT a day trading technique.
6. Requires very little time. Maybe 5 minutes every 3 months. I personally spend a lot more time than time, but that is because I like to research into things.
7. This method won't work if you are a multi billionaire. If you have over 100 billion, it would be hard to make the 15-25% return. Sorry super rich guys.
8. ANY trading platform would work. Scottrade, Ex Trade, Ameri Trade, etc. As long as they are a legitimate stock broker.
9. The individual elements of this system is very simple, and trader uses it daily. The key is to COMBINE them at certain points, to allow persistent cash inflow to you. In my opinion, 99% of investors don't use these trading techniques COMBINED in the way this system does.

PEOPLE I HAVE TAUGHT
1. Distribution on bitcointalk.org.

REPUTATION
Here is my heatware reputation http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=64239
Trusted seller http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg644724#msg644724
I have successfully completed transaction here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53973.msg644715#msg644715 Teach stock trading strategy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53718.msg667335#msg667335 Bought $71 Amazon gift card
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56378.msg671346#msg671346 Sold 12.6BTC for $70 Paypal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55801.msg678922#msg678922 Sold five AMD 5870
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=59877.0 borrowed 200BTC, repaid.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62302.0 borrowed 100BTC, repaid 115BTC.

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ASK
1. Q: Why don't you post some screen shots of your Scottrade account, showing the transactions?
A: If I post all the transactions, I would have given away the secret. I have posted SOME screen shots, but the full system is even more powerful than what I've shown.
2. Q: If you can make 15%-25% your money, then why don't you just keep it to yourself?
A: I am not a millionaire, and this 15-25% is still too slow to make money. If I can get extra money teaching others, that would be extra money that I can put into the market, and thus more return for me.
3. Q: If too many people use this, then will this not work anymore?
A: No, this will work as long as there's multi billionaires out there. Why? Because they can't really use this technique. If they do, they would end up moving the entire market, thus they won't be able to make any significantly amount of money. Remember what happened when Buffet buys Bank of America? Shares went from $5 to $7.
4. Q: Does this work on ANY stock?
A: No. Only certain stocks can make you 15-25% consistently, while others might have too much risk. Don't worry, I will teach you what to look for, and how to pick stocks.

Since people don't trust me now, so I am willing to split the payment as follows:
1. You pay me $50. I teach you the system.
2. After the teaching session, if you think the system is entirely worthless, or something you already know, I will refund you.
If you think it is ok, but not really worth $100, then don't pay me anymore. $50 is all I need.
If you think the system is very useful and well thought out technique, you make the other $50 payment, totaling $100.
If you are willing to vouch for my method, you will only pay $50 total. However, this is a LIMITED time offer. Once 3 or so people have vouched for me, this $50 total payment will no longer be an option.

TO ALL THE NAYSAYERS OR TROLLERS:
You don't need to learn this system, you can just look and move on.
I've had very limited success trying to let people in on this secret, because most people thinks it is impossible to make money in the market, regardless of the direction the market headed. One time, I even offer $10,000 to somebody to prove me wrong, to prove that I can't make money. Guess what? The guy took 6 months and still couldn't figure out a way I could lose money.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: ineededausername on December 07, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
This better not be martingale bullshit...


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: 714 on December 07, 2011, 09:35:25 PM
This better not be martingale bullshit...

It comes with stock picks? Oh, that really clinches it for me, it's musta gotta be great!  ;D


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:37:24 PM
You can pick your own, or I can provide you with examples.
To the trollers, laugh all you can. This is a really smart way to make money. I've talked to folks who traded for 40 yrs, and still don't know about this method that I use.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BurtW on December 07, 2011, 09:39:10 PM
How much have you personally made?  From the system itself that is - not from selling the system.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: RaggedMonk on December 07, 2011, 09:44:10 PM
I also have a secret that I will tell you if you send me $100.  I can't tell you anything about it though or it would give it away.  send your BTC to 1CZXpndJHigUQuRGYzQAziLdsMBHYMG68t


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:49:53 PM
How much have you personally made?  From the system itself that is - not from selling the system.
I profited about 5%+ in the past 3 months. Remember, these past few months stocks were all over the place, yet I still manage to come out.
With this system, your return will be more consistent if you have a long term view, such as 1 yr.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
I also have a secret that I will tell you if you send me $100.  I can't tell you anything about it though or it would give it away.  send your BTC to 1CZXpndJHigUQuRGYzQAziLdsMBHYMG68t
Go troll somewhere else.
I am willing to teach people one on one.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
This better not be martingale bullshit...
Guaranteed no BS.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: ineededausername on December 07, 2011, 09:52:09 PM
Give me $100.  I'm raising funds for a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is. :)


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:55:27 PM
Give me $100.  I'm raising funds for a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is. :)
Lol. What's the return for me???
I am offering a legit system for YOU to profit.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: ineededausername on December 07, 2011, 09:57:16 PM
chungenhung: I suggest you divulge your system for free to a highly trusted member of this forum (>2000 posts or high wot rating), who will promise not to release the secret, for him to judge its value.  Then once he confirms that this "system" is not total bullshit (which I doubt), people will flock to buy it.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 09:59:29 PM
chungenhung: I suggest you divulge your system for free to a highly trusted member of this forum (>2000 posts or high wot rating), who will promise not to release the secret, for him to judge its value.  Then once he confirms that this "system" is not total bullshit (which I doubt), people will flock to buy it.
Please direct me to said trusted member. And why would a trusted member want to hear me out??


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: S3052 on December 07, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
I am happy to look into it if you like


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Distribution on December 07, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
I am happy to look into it if you like

My vote goes to the guy with a chart as his avatar.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BurtW on December 07, 2011, 10:09:05 PM
Even though he has not quite cracked 2000 posts S3052 is the perfect choice.  I will certainly trust his opinion on this.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 10:16:53 PM
I am happy to look into it if you like
No problem. I can send you a quick rundown, but it is NOT the full thing of what I will reveal.
If you think the partial method I reveal to you is good, then post saying I am legit.
Do you have a phone number to call? skype? Or I can perhaps type up a  quick and dirty report and PM you.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 10:17:30 PM
Who else would trust "S3052"?
It's crazy here. I've had over 300 posts, and I am still treated like a nobody lol.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: notme on December 07, 2011, 10:37:42 PM
Who else would trust "S3052"?
It's crazy here. I've had over 300 posts, and I am still treated like a nobody lol.

Send him a pitch.  S3052 has been around for quite some time and is well trusted in the community for his trading knowledge.  He's probably the most valuable person around to vouch for you when it comes to an investment strategy.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Distribution on December 07, 2011, 10:44:31 PM
Who else would trust "S3052"?
It's crazy here. I've had over 300 posts, and I am still treated like a nobody lol.

Never take trust for granted. I have almost 500 posts and I'm listed on the honest traders thread multiple times. But I always feel like I should have to convince people that they can trust me. There are a lot of scammers out there.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 07, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
You can pick your own, or I can provide you with examples.
To the trollers, laugh all you can. This is a really smart way to make money. I've talked to folks who traded for 40 yrs, and still don't know about this method that I use.

Post more stats -- your drawdowns, a chart of what your returns looks like, your sharp ratio, what % of the time you spend in the market (always fully invested, or is it dynamic). What basket do you run it on? Is it 100% automated? What platform do you use? How do you determine system burnout?
 
There's a LOT more information you would need to post before anyone would take this seriously.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 07, 2011, 11:07:55 PM
You can pick your own, or I can provide you with examples.
To the trollers, laugh all you can. This is a really smart way to make money. I've talked to folks who traded for 40 yrs, and still don't know about this method that I use.

Post more stats -- your drawdowns, a chart of what your returns looks like, your sharp ratio, what % of the time you spend in the market (always fully invested, or is it dynamic). What basket do you run it on? Is it 100% automated? What platform do you use? How do you determine system burnout?
 
There's a LOT more information you would need to post before anyone would take this seriously.
Will provide more examples later.
In short, it can be dynamic, but mostly fully invested.
It takes about a few minutes a month or two, to make sure you are making the most you can possibly make.
I use Scottrade. I will quit using the system when stock lost 50% value or more since I first bought it, which has not happen yet.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: RaggedMonk on December 07, 2011, 11:24:34 PM
It's crazy here. I've had over 300 posts, and I am still treated like a nobody lol.

You are trying to sell something site unseen, with almost no information about it.  Outstanding claims require outstanding evidence.  In the process of you defending yourself, you have already shown that you initial offer isn't as good as you claimed:

You can make 15-25% or even more on your money per yr, with almost zero risk.

I profited about 5%+ in the past 3 months. Remember, these past few months stocks were all over the place, yet I still manage to come out.
With this system, your return will be more consistent if you have a long term view, such as 1 yr.

You are selling a system with year-scale performance estimates that you haven't even proven yourself.  You have only used it for one quarter of that period.  At best this is negligence, at worst fraud.  Send me your method and $100 of BTC and I'll teach you how to sell a trading strategy without sounding like a scammer.  I just earned a projected $100 in 5 minutes, I anticipate making over 12 million per year with my system!

If you really do have a good system, find a way to give some evidence if you are going to sell it.  S3052 is a good option.  Screenshots of your scotttrade account balance/value over time (with specific trades blurred), perhaps?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 12:33:05 AM
It's crazy here. I've had over 300 posts, and I am still treated like a nobody lol.

You are trying to sell something site unseen, with almost no information about it.  Outstanding claims require outstanding evidence.  In the process of you defending yourself, you have already shown that you initial offer isn't as good as you claimed:

You can make 15-25% or even more on your money per yr, with almost zero risk.

I profited about 5%+ in the past 3 months. Remember, these past few months stocks were all over the place, yet I still manage to come out.
With this system, your return will be more consistent if you have a long term view, such as 1 yr.

You are selling a system with year-scale performance estimates that you haven't even proven yourself.  You have only used it for one quarter of that period.  At best this is negligence, at worst fraud.  Send me your method and $100 of BTC and I'll teach you how to sell a trading strategy without sounding like a scammer.  I just earned a projected $100 in 5 minutes, I anticipate making over 12 million per year with my system!

If you really do have a good system, find a way to give some evidence if you are going to sell it.  S3052 is a good option.  Screenshots of your scotttrade account balance/value over time (with specific trades blurred), perhaps?
In that case, I will not tell you what the system is.
So many ignorant people here, thinking everyone alive is nothing but scammers.
BTW, 5% in 3 months translates to 20% minimum per yr.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: johnj on December 08, 2011, 12:41:25 AM
BTW, 5% in 3 months translates to 20% minimum per yr.

I'm not good at math, but for some reason I don't think that's how percentages work.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 12:44:21 AM
BTW, 5% in 3 months translates to 20% minimum per yr.

I'm not good at math, but for some reason I don't think that's how percentages work.
No, it's not. It would be MORE than 20%.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: notme on December 08, 2011, 12:50:34 AM
Unless your strategy is effected by seasonality.  You've pretty much screwed yourself by now, but next time I suggest you be more open and willing to share what you have to offer with someone trusted so they can vouch for you.  As far as the rest of us are concerned, you're some guy on the Internet who wants $100 for his "secret investment strategy" that promises abnormally high returns.  Just looks too familiar to anyone who has been disappointed by other dealings with strangers.  If it's so successful, why waste time here when you could invest and make 20% a year?  It sounds too good to be true and you are unwilling to offer any proof.  It's hard to come to a different conclusion from scammer when presented with these facts.  You may be trustworthy, but without any evidence no one will believe you are.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: RaggedMonk on December 08, 2011, 12:51:42 AM
So many ignorant people here, thinking everyone alive is nothing but scammers.
Do you think I am a scammer, too?  Why don't you pay me $100 to help you out? Skepticism is healthy, especially on semi-anonymous internet forums. (If you give me a $100 I will actually help you, offer remains on the table, though I don't think it is prudent to trust that I am a credible source of information.)

Extrapolating your data further than you should rationally be confident of is dishonest.  You haven't tested this long enough to know whether it can work for a whole year, and so you shouldn't be advertising a yearly return rate.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 01:18:43 AM
So many ignorant people here, thinking everyone alive is nothing but scammers.
Do you think I am a scammer, too?  Why don't you pay me $100 to help you out? Skepticism is healthy, especially on semi-anonymous internet forums. (If you give me a $100 I will actually help you, offer remains on the table, though I don't think it is prudent to trust that I am a credible source of information.)

Extrapolating your data further than you should rationally be confident of is dishonest.  You haven't tested this long enough to know whether it can work for a whole year, and so you shouldn't be advertising a yearly return rate.
Wrong. This method has been used by a lot of people over decades. If you use this same method, and do your study back in time, your return would average over 25%.
Your offer sounds more like a scam. If you have a million dollar idea, why not do it?
My idea is NOT get rich quick scheme. You need to have TIME to let your money sit. It is $10,000 today, it will still be $10,000 tomorrow. But it would turn into $12,000 a yr from today.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: johnj on December 08, 2011, 01:30:27 AM
I've talked to folks who traded for 40 yrs, and still don't know about this method that I use.


Wrong. This method has been used by a lot of people over decades.

Is it rare or is it common?

Is it only you who knows about it, or also others too?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 01:52:42 AM
I've talked to folks who traded for 40 yrs, and still don't know about this method that I use.
Wrong. This method has been used by a lot of people over decades.
Is it rare or is it common?
Is it only you who knows about it, or also others too?
It is both common and rare. It is common because everyone uses it's individual techniques, but very few combine them, or know how best to combine them.
In my opinion, 99% of those that trade stocks haven't tried this combination.
I've talked to traders, and NONE so far uses this technique.
Also spoke with Finance major Master's graduates, with 3.5GPA.... They never heard of it, and of course, think it's fake.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: notme on December 08, 2011, 02:20:05 AM
Why don't you tell someone already?  Then you can get some validation if it's as good as you claim.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 02:23:55 AM
Why don't you tell someone already?  Then you can get some validation if it's as good as you claim.
B/c the so called "trusted" members haven't replied me yet.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BTCurious on December 08, 2011, 02:25:35 AM
Show it to S3052. If he vouches for you, you've got a massive amount of people believing you.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 02:26:36 AM
Show it to S3052. If he vouches for you, you've got a massive amount of people believing you.
Like I said, the so called "trusted" members haven't replied me yet. This include S3052.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: RaggedMonk on December 08, 2011, 03:20:53 AM
Thanks for posting screenshots.  I am still confused though.  It looks like you are trading at a loss. 
Your total expenditures : $3116.19
Your current assets: $3034.00
Net loss: $82.19

Then you have some phantom payment.  It is not clear if it is being paid to you or you are paying it to scottrade.
Phantom payment value: $94.49

If (and this is a big if) the phantom payment is actually going to you, your earnings are still much lower than you are reporting.
Net profit: $12.30

This is a three month return rate of 0.39%.  That is if I trust you.  Otherwise you are trading with significant losses.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: 714 on December 08, 2011, 03:38:30 AM
I have a proven system where it will generate you solid income no matter where the market heads next, up or down, it doesn't matter.

Here you go, take your tin cup to this place.
http://collective2.com/


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BurtW on December 08, 2011, 03:42:03 AM
Wow, over 17,000 different systems to choose from  ???  Amazing.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 03:53:33 AM
Thanks for posting screenshots.  I am still confused though.  It looks like you are trading at a loss.  
Your total expenditures : $3116.19
Your current assets: $3034.00
Net loss: $82.19

Then you have some phantom payment.  It is not clear if it is being paid to you or you are paying it to scottrade.
Phantom payment value: $94.49

If (and this is a big if) the phantom payment is actually going to you, your earnings are still much lower than you are reporting.
Net profit: $12.30

This is a three month return rate of 0.39%.  That is if I trust you.  Otherwise you are trading with significant losses.
Of course the payment is going to me, look at the signs. (1234) means a negative, thus taken from me. 1234 means a positive, thus given to me.
My current assets of NVDA is $3034, but that is because I decide to KEEP it that way, I could have sold NVDA for higher gains, but I don't want to. Plus... I got another payment..... So no, I am way ahead of the game. 3 month gain is $82.19/$3116.19 = 3.03%. Again, I still have NVDA, and that is only because I decide to KEEP it.

In my other NLY example, I sold it.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 03:59:54 AM
I have a proven system where it will generate you solid income no matter where the market heads next, up or down, it doesn't matter.

Here you go, take your tin cup to this place.
http://collective2.com/
To all those naysayers.... I have decided to NOT reveal it to you even after others vouch for me.
That is even if you pay me $100.
Trust me, once I start to get people to vouch for me, the price will be more like $500 or $1000.
Others sell this for over $3,000.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: johnj on December 08, 2011, 04:38:41 AM
To all those naysayers.... I have decided to NOT reveal it to you even after others vouch for me.
That is even if you pay me $100.

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Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: RaggedMonk on December 08, 2011, 05:18:37 AM
Thanks for posting screenshots.  I am still confused though.  It looks like you are trading at a loss.  
Your total expenditures : $3116.19
Your current assets: $3034.00
Net loss: $82.19

Then you have some phantom payment.  It is not clear if it is being paid to you or you are paying it to scottrade.
Phantom payment value: $94.49

If (and this is a big if) the phantom payment is actually going to you, your earnings are still much lower than you are reporting.
Net profit: $12.30

This is a three month return rate of 0.39%.  That is if I trust you.  Otherwise you are trading with significant losses.
Of course the payment is going to me, look at the signs. (1234) means a negative, thus taken from me. 1234 means a positive, thus given to me.
My current assets of NVDA is $3034, but that is because I decide to KEEP it that way, I could have sold NVDA for higher gains, but I don't want to. Plus... I got another payment..... So no, I am way ahead of the game. 3 month gain is $82.19/$3116.19 = 3.03%. Again, I still have NVDA, and that is only because I decide to KEEP it.

In my other NLY example, I sold it.


Quote
3 month gain is $82.19/$3116.19 = 3.03%.

$82.19 is your market losses ;D.

You are calculating your "3 month gain" based on phantom payouts without taking into account your market losses. (94.49/3116.19 = 3.03% is your profit if you dont account for your losses of $82.19)
Your actual return is 0.39% (It is positive though!)

In one year (assuming continued results), you will book a 1.57% return (compounding interest every quarter).

Either you don't understand what you are doing, or you are being intentionally misleading.  Either way, you should not be selling financial advice.

PS: you are right about the parentheses, thanks for clearing that up.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 08, 2011, 05:39:38 AM
Give me $100.  I'm raising funds for a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is. :)
Lol. What's the return for me???
I am offering a legit system for YOU to profit.

If you have a good system, you could make a lot of money starting a fund or selling/leasing it to existing funds. Have you considered this?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: btc_artist on December 08, 2011, 05:47:31 AM
Why do you want to sell the system?  Couldn't you make more just applying it?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BTCurious on December 08, 2011, 06:17:30 AM
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/282/b/1/not_a_single_fuck_by_axelhenson-d30f0t9.jpg


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
Thanks for posting screenshots.  I am still confused though.  It looks like you are trading at a loss.  
Your total expenditures : $3116.19
Your current assets: $3034.00
Net loss: $82.19

Then you have some phantom payment.  It is not clear if it is being paid to you or you are paying it to scottrade.
Phantom payment value: $94.49

If (and this is a big if) the phantom payment is actually going to you, your earnings are still much lower than you are reporting.
Net profit: $12.30

This is a three month return rate of 0.39%.  That is if I trust you.  Otherwise you are trading with significant losses.
Of course the payment is going to me, look at the signs. (1234) means a negative, thus taken from me. 1234 means a positive, thus given to me.
My current assets of NVDA is $3034, but that is because I decide to KEEP it that way, I could have sold NVDA for higher gains, but I don't want to. Plus... I got another payment..... So no, I am way ahead of the game. 3 month gain is $82.19/$3116.19 = 3.03%. Again, I still have NVDA, and that is only because I decide to KEEP it.

In my other NLY example, I sold it.


Quote
3 month gain is $82.19/$3116.19 = 3.03%.

$82.19 is your market losses ;D.

You are calculating your "3 month gain" based on phantom payouts without taking into account your market losses. (94.49/3116.19 = 3.03% is your profit if you dont account for your losses of $82.19)
Your actual return is 0.39% (It is positive though!)

In one year (assuming continued results), you will book a 1.57% return (compounding interest every quarter).

Either you don't understand what you are doing, or you are being intentionally misleading.  Either way, you should not be selling financial advice.

PS: you are right about the parentheses, thanks for clearing that up.
Like I said, I received another payment that I have NOT included in the screen shots. So no, in the end, I am way ahead of the game


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 02:57:11 PM
Why do you want to sell the system?  Couldn't you make more just applying it?
The Q&A answers that.
I am using the system to make money. But it would be FASTER if I make money teaching people, and then, take that money and dump it into the system.
More money in = more money compounding.
Why do you think investment firms sell their service?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 05:19:46 PM
Unless your strategy is effected by seasonality.  You've pretty much screwed yourself by now, but next time I suggest you be more open and willing to share what you have to offer with someone trusted so they can vouch for you.  As far as the rest of us are concerned, you're some guy on the Internet who wants $100 for his "secret investment strategy" that promises abnormally high returns.  Just looks too familiar to anyone who has been disappointed by other dealings with strangers.  If it's so successful, why waste time here when you could invest and make 20% a year?  It sounds too good to be true and you are unwilling to offer any proof.  It's hard to come to a different conclusion from scammer when presented with these facts.  You may be trustworthy, but without any evidence no one will believe you are.
Strategy will NOT be affected by seasonality. Heck, it would do GREAT even during the last 2008 market downturn.
I have updated my OP to provide some specific trades.
Again, NO TRUSTED member has even replied me. Not my fault here.
I am not wasting time here. I am FULLY invested, but money don't grow on trees. It still takes time to get that 20% a year.... it takes ONE year.
But, if I can sell this for $100 to one person, then I put that into the market, and it will be $120 next year. Why do you think investment firms or newsletters exist?

First 1 to 3 persons will get the $100 price. After that it will be at least $300.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
Give me $100.  I'm raising funds for a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is. :)
Lol. What's the return for me???
I am offering a legit system for YOU to profit.

If you have a good system, you could make a lot of money starting a fund or selling/leasing it to existing funds. Have you considered this?
No. This won't work if you have billions of dollars. Funds manage millions to billions.
And, just like everyone else, if something seems too good, then people won't believe it.
Remember the old days when BTC was shooting up to $33? Nobody I know believe me. The early miners have all made a handsome profit.
Then come the losers.... bought their machines thinking BTC will keep going up exponentially.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: notme on December 08, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
No. This won't work if you have billions of dollars. Funds manage millions to billions.

This is why selling your system makes it less effective each time.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 08, 2011, 10:20:57 PM
No. This won't work if you have billions of dollars. Funds manage millions to billions.

This is why selling your system makes it less effective each time.
Well yeah, but I am not afraid of that. I don't have that kind of money, and I doubt there's any billionaires on this forum.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: 714 on December 08, 2011, 10:32:18 PM
I have a proven system where it will generate you solid income no matter where the market heads next, up or down, it doesn't matter.

Here you go, take your tin cup to this place.
http://collective2.com/
To all those naysayers.... I have decided to NOT reveal it to you even after others vouch for me.
That is even if you pay me $100.
Trust me, once I start to get people to vouch for me, the price will be more like $500 or $1000.
Others sell this for over $3,000.

ROTFLMFAO! Boy, that really showed those naysayers!

Are you 5 years old? If so you could hold your breath and turn blue until you die and then we would all be really, really sorry.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: malevolent on December 08, 2011, 11:35:31 PM
Others sell this for over $3,000.

Why aren't you selling it for, let's say, $2000?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on December 09, 2011, 12:04:18 AM
Add me on skype (cshrem90) I'll gladly go thru this with you tonight, partial method is fine.

I'll then write up a review on what we went thru, my thoughts on the product and my opinion if I think its worth it.

Members of this forum can take my opinion and review and decide then.

Send me a PM if your ready to rock and roll.

-Charlie


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Distribution on December 09, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
I too will try it. If people are interested I can post my balance weekly or bi-weekly.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Distribution on December 09, 2011, 03:17:48 AM
So I just spent an hour and a half with this guy on the phone. I paid, so I got the full version. I'm really surprised at how useful this is. I've been in the stock market for 5 years, I don't know a whole lot, but I know the basics and this taught me a lot. Plus, he was very patient and detailed, really made sure I understood what he was talking about. If you're a really experienced trader, this may or may not be for you, but anyone looking to make solid returns (15%-25% like he said), you'll want to talk to this guy.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 09, 2011, 03:19:04 AM
I too will try it. If people are interested I can post my balance weekly or bi-weekly.
I have just successfully taught "Distribution" tonight.
Again, I would appreciate it if you come up and post a good review for me.
Overall, I think it went great!
As agreed, Distribution has initiated $50 payment, but it has not cleared yet. I went ahead and taught him anyways. I trust that he will not try to reverse the payment.
I hope it is well worth your money!


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 09, 2011, 03:20:48 AM
So I just spent an hour and a half with this guy on the phone. I paid, so I got the full version. I'm really surprised at how useful this is. I've been in the stock market for 5 years, I don't know a whole lot, but I know the basics and this taught me a lot. Plus, he was very patient and detailed, really made sure I understood what he was talking about. If you're a really experienced trader, this may or may not be for you, but anyone looking to make solid returns (15%-25% like he said), you'll want to talk to this guy.
Great! I like solid returns. Again, it can go to 50% if you are willing to have a bit more risk.
For starters, I say 15-25% is enough. Once you see your money rolling in, you can move on to the riskier stuff.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 09, 2011, 03:23:32 AM
Add me on skype (cshrem90) I'll gladly go thru this with you tonight, partial method is fine.

I'll then write up a review on what we went thru, my thoughts on the product and my opinion if I think its worth it.

Members of this forum can take my opinion and review and decide then.

Send me a PM if your ready to rock and roll.

-Charlie

I've added you.
i am not sure if I want you to from up a review on what we went thru, as that would give away the secret.
But if you can do it in such a way that reveals no secret, then it might work.
For me, I prefer you just give your thoughts on the teaching session, and opinion, because I really don't want to see you give this away for free.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on December 09, 2011, 05:00:22 AM
Add me on skype (cshrem90) I'll gladly go thru this with you tonight, partial method is fine.

I'll then write up a review on what we went thru, my thoughts on the product and my opinion if I think its worth it.

Members of this forum can take my opinion and review and decide then.

Send me a PM if your ready to rock and roll.

-Charlie

I've added you.
i am not sure if I want you to from up a review on what we went thru, as that would give away the secret.
But if you can do it in such a way that reveals no secret, then it might work.
For me, I prefer you just give your thoughts on the teaching session, and opinion, because I really don't want to see you give this away for free.

Sure, I got your skype request. IM me when your ready


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: johnj on December 11, 2011, 12:02:09 AM
Anything ever come of this?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: Distribution on December 11, 2011, 12:45:13 AM
I gave my review. I paid. I plan on enacting what he told me. And like I said he's got a plan that does what it says.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 11, 2011, 07:27:53 AM
Anything ever come of this?
Yes, please read review posted by "Distribution"


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 11, 2011, 07:28:49 AM
"Yankee", I am currently on a biz trip. Will contact you when I get back.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 13, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
any other takers?
Would you guys like to see more proves? I have a feeling that the screen shots are not really convincing, as people think there are other "hidden" transactions.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BTCurious on December 13, 2011, 09:21:56 PM
any other takers?
Would you guys like to see more proves? I have a feeling that the screen shots are not really convincing, as people think there are other "hidden" transactions.
Predict 5 moves, or state 5 actions that someone should take, sufficient time beforehand. If you can do that consistently, then you show people that you can profit. This way you don't have to give away your scheme, but you can still show people that it works.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 13, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
any other takers?
Would you guys like to see more proves? I have a feeling that the screen shots are not really convincing, as people think there are other "hidden" transactions.
Predict 5 moves, or state 5 actions that someone should take, sufficient time beforehand. If you can do that consistently, then you show people that you can profit. This way you don't have to give away your scheme, but you can still show people that it works.
This strategy does NOT rely on being able to predict the future. If I tell you what actions to take, I would have given away part if not all of the secret.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: ineededausername on December 14, 2011, 02:27:25 AM
any other takers?
Would you guys like to see more proves? I have a feeling that the screen shots are not really convincing, as people think there are other "hidden" transactions.
Predict 5 moves, or state 5 actions that someone should take, sufficient time beforehand. If you can do that consistently, then you show people that you can profit. This way you don't have to give away your scheme, but you can still show people that it works.
This strategy does NOT rely on being able to predict the future. If I tell you what actions to take, I would have given away part if not all of the secret.

Hmmm... sounds like a dividend strategy.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: brendio on December 14, 2011, 03:00:43 AM
The examples he gave made it look like dividend stripping. If so, there is no free lunch, if you believe the market to be generally efficient (which is often, but not always, is). Plus there may be tax consequences to consider when calculating your net profits from any such scheme.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 14, 2011, 03:16:50 AM
The examples he gave made it look like dividend stripping. If so, there is no free lunch, if you believe the market to be generally efficient (which is often, but not always, is). Plus there may be tax consequences to consider when calculating your net profits from any such scheme.
I will just let you guys keep guessing. I won't say if you are right or wrong, because doing either one would lead to more guessing, or give out part of the secret.
Like you said, there is no free lunch, another reason why I wouldn't reveal too much info.
BTW, if it was that easy, I doubt it takes 90 minutes to explain to someone who have traded stocks before.
No, I did not figure in the tax consequences. Everyone's tax situation is different, even just within the US.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 14, 2011, 04:20:04 AM
This strategy does NOT rely on being able to predict the future.

All trading requires probabilistic forecasting.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BurtW on December 14, 2011, 04:30:16 AM
True but not "as true" for some things.  Let's say you sell a covered call.  Then you take your profits + premium and you are done.  True - you are guessing/hoping the stock stays put or goes down so you do not have to cover the call.  But, worst case you make your money and then have to cover the call and you don't make as much "as you could have".  So it could be said that you don't really care what happens in the future once you sell the call.

Basically the same thing as just selling the stock.  Once you sell it you have taken your profit and can only kick yourself for not having kept it longer.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 14, 2011, 05:23:38 AM
True but not "as true" for some things.  Let's say you sell a covered call.  Then you take your profits + premium and you are done.  True - you are guessing/hoping the stock stays put or goes down so you do not have to cover the call.  But, worst case you make your money and then have to cover the call and you don't make as much "as you could have".  So it could be said that you don't really care what happens in the future once you sell the call.

Basically the same thing as just selling the stock.  Once you sell it you have taken your profit and can only kick yourself for not having kept it longer.

If the underlying stock falls more than your premium, you lose money, so the forecast is that the premiums will make up for the drawdowns over time. ( In reality though you would need to be more specific with the forecast if you wanted to actually use the system. )

I've heard many money managers adamantly state that they don't predict the future, they just "manage the proccess" or "react" to the market, but the plain reality is that all trading involves prediction of some aspect of the market. Understanding this and knowing the exact nature of your forecast in a statistical sense is the real key to successful trading, because once you understand this then trading system design becomes merely a way to exploit that particlar market tendency, along with managing money based on the distribution of the individual trades, and rules for determining system burnout.

I think people are often so hopeful for "the perfect system" that they overlook the underlying forecast and thus don't clearly identify the risk. A strategy could be forecasting a spread or any number of future things without directly forecasting price targets, but it is still a prediction.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 14, 2011, 05:42:10 AM

Btw totally unrelated, but I'm a real fan of your show. That's where I learned about The Real Plato, and eventually I met up with him in Las Vegas :). Good times... We introduced Bitcoins to Penn and Teller


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BurtW on December 14, 2011, 06:14:11 AM
Sorry to disappoint but I am Burt Wagner, no relation to the other Wagner.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BTCurious on December 14, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
I think people are often so hopeful for "the perfect system" that they overlook the underlying forecast and thus don't clearly identify the risk. A strategy could be forecasting a spread or any number of future things without directly forecasting price targets, but it is still a prediction.
What about arbitrage? Having money in 2 exchanges, and doing a market transfer on both at the same time, does not incur a lot of risk.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 14, 2011, 05:03:23 PM
This strategy does NOT rely on being able to predict the future.
All trading requires probabilistic forecasting.
Problem is.... no one can accurately forecast the future, that is.... if you are not an insider or member of congress.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 14, 2011, 07:23:25 PM
I think people are often so hopeful for "the perfect system" that they overlook the underlying forecast and thus don't clearly identify the risk. A strategy could be forecasting a spread or any number of future things without directly forecasting price targets, but it is still a prediction.
What about arbitrage? Having money in 2 exchanges, and doing a market transfer on both at the same time, does not incur a lot of risk.

This is actually a really good point, since although philisophically the answer is the same, in practicality you're right this is basically free money. So my above answer really is applicable to the larger markets where this type of oportunity is already arbitraged out of the market, or in the arena of a single exchange treated as a closed system.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: BrightAnarchist on December 14, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
This strategy does NOT rely on being able to predict the future.
All trading requires probabilistic forecasting.
Problem is.... no one can accurately forecast the future, that is.... if you are not an insider or member of congress.

I agree... And I think we actually agree on things, we're just defining terms here. 100% accuracy is impossible, but an effective trading system does not require this, all it needs is a tiny edge, and that's enough to consistently make money, until the underling market conditions that create the edge change.

So I think we're in agreement really. It's just a red button for me whenever people say things like "make money no matter what the market does" and "you will make millions" because people can easily overload if they believe this and blowup when their assumptions about drawdowns etc are forced to change with the market. Or they stop using the system during a bad DD, and thus lose money despite the contiuing profitabilty of the system. LTCM is a good example, or perhap an even better example is that fact the individual invstors tend to underperform the funds they invest in. There are many psychological traps that cause novice investors to lose money even in good systems, and unrealistic expectations are like gasoline on the fire.

That said, building trading systems is a great and rewarding enterprise but if you've been around the block long enough you develop a healthy sense of realism about it, and realize that effective money management is key. It's one thing thing to theorize and backtest but another to continue to have success applying a method into the unknown future. That's really my only point here. Honestly though I believe your system probably has a nice edge, or else you wouldn't be so excited about it, and I wish you the best applying it into the future. And yes, I am curious of course :)


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 14, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
Great, as I never said you can make millions.
From the first post, I clearly stated that this is not a get rich quick scheme.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: ineededausername on December 15, 2011, 12:04:15 AM
Does it work with moderately large sums of money ($500K for instance)?


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on December 15, 2011, 03:42:57 AM
Does it work with moderately large sums of money ($500K for instance)?
Sure. But if you have that kind of money, I am sure you should be trading something else.


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, doesn't matter which way the market goes
Post by: chungenhung on February 17, 2012, 03:48:54 AM
added more info to reflect performance up to 02/16/2012


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, no matter what! Updated 02/16/12
Post by: vampire on February 17, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Options:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Options_strategy


Title: Re: How to profit from the stock market, no matter what! Updated 02/16/12
Post by: chungenhung on February 18, 2012, 06:48:46 AM
if only it were that easy