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This had been the main issue in online gambling.  Minors had been flocking to the online Casino site without any restrictions.  They can blatantly access gambling sites with their parents' cards, fake their identities and so on.  Germany does tackle this issue seriously and recently German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM). had a deal with Incode Technologies, a US-based specialist in biometric identity for the age verification solution.[1]  

The German government is very inclined that it will help greatly in protecting minors because of its advanced technology.

https://i.imgur.com/7NLMUT0.png (https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/)



But I still wonder if this kind of technology is effective enough for those minors who use their parent's access accounts to gambling sites.  Will this be able to detect such action?  Will this kind of technology can trully protect minors and prevent them to access gambling sites?  

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[1] https://www.gamblingnews.com/news/incodes-age-verification-approved-for-protecting-minors-in-germany/

So the minors are smart enough to fake their online identity? Really? This seems suspicious to me.
So they use their parent's debit/credit cards to gamble? Can't their parents view the transactions on their bank accounts? Can't they reverse unauthorized credit card transactions? If your kid is using your credit card to gamble, you are a lousy parent.
This new KYC regulation won't solve the problem. The real problem is the unregulated casinos that don't require ID verification. Who is going to stop those casinos from accepting underage gamblers? Another part of the problem is the aggressive advertising of casinos and sportsbooks.

The key factor here is the verification of the authenticity of the documents submitted.  If the supposed provider can verify the authenticity of the documents with 100% accuracy then there is no doubt that this will greatly help the government prevent minors from playing on any online gambling sites under their jurisdiction.

The problem with minors using their parent's accounts can't be solved by such process because the problem is within the family and only the parents have the power to stop them by being more responsible and keeping their gambling accounts away from the reach of their kids.

It is just a small step toward the protection of minors.Nowadays with crypto being expanded as much as it is even minors and by minors I mean people below the age of 18 it gives this class of people the opportunity to gamble without needing at all the credit card of their parents.Of course there will be difficulties as where to obtain the cryptos first but they can directly ask money from their parents to buy crypto and gamble all they want with that money.No government can do anything about this and the only persons who can stop minors by playing is education by their family,if the family is a good one and take care about everything the child/minor needs then there is no need for prevention mechanisms which do not work as I said.

We can't discount the fact that minors knows a thing or two on how they can circumvent to continue their gambling. At least maybe some of us here when we were young have some tricks on their sleeve to not even around suspicions from our parents that we are indeed gambling.

But perhaps the government thinks this is a good way to at least control, but not sure if it will be effective in the long run. There could be loopholes that this minors can exploit.

We know there are casinos that suspect some users are minors but they are just allowing them because they make money out of it.

But its hard enough to trust a casino and then they are adding a 3rd party to scan the IDs. This time its not just the casino that have your data but also this Incode. Why the Germans will allow this, its all up to them.

OP didn't stated that minors use their parent's credit cards to fund their gambling habit. He said that minors use their parent's account for them to gamble. If this is really true, how come these parents didn't notice anything on the gambling history of their account. Even if their children use other way to fund their gambling account, they will surely notice if someone use their account other than them.


This won't protect minors but will only promote the unregulated casino or websites. Not everyone want their identity to be fully expose on the government, if they still have choice to not comply to these rules then they would surely prefer those that doesn't need that kind of verification.

The government applies technology like that on gambling sites to prevent minors from starting to gamble. However, this technology still needs development because at least the site requires a facial or biometric scanner to recognize whether a visitor is a minor or an adult. Technology can really help overcome the problem of underage gambling but here, what is more, emphasized is the issue of parental supervision of their children. Parents should really supervise their children, especially their children growing up. The support of technology like this can prevent online gambling problems in children and avoid addiction problems at a young age.

Online? nah I doubt that it will prevent minors from using any gambling platform. I'm not saying that it can't be prevented, but it's hard as this is online that we are talking about.

KYC might be a good tool, but still if they used their parents account then those minors are going to continue to play. And I do agree that casino should have the responsibility to try and filter out minors  but again it's going to be difficult. And who is going to stop when they are bringing money for them? It's a moral dilemma for online casinos.

It's a problem with the crypto gambling industry. Casinos that do not require KYC, by protecting privacy, also cannot know if minors are playing in them. In cases where there is KYC there are always ways to bypass it, like those who steal credit cards from parents, but eventually they will find out.

Although over time I suppose more and more crypto casinos will require KYC and prevent minors from playing.

Partially agree but hey! Tackling age restrictions, particularly for children, is a significant issue in the gambling industry, and there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Although the approach may not totally fix the problem, it is unquestionably a greater step toward eradicating the problem. In line with this approach, it is still important parental guidance though...

However, the issue is that this is still a KYC that most of us do not agree to comply with.

Crypto casino will surely follow this implemented law limited to German user by filtering them by IP just like what all casino doing on US and UK citizen which is not allowed to play. Crypto casino is obligated to follow because of there license despite they are operating with crypto which is not regulated, There license is always subjected to further audit if they are following the law on every country.

This KYC implementation will be good for removing minors but it be bad for all German citizens since it means a mandatory KYC to all of them on all online casino.

Germany's advanced technology is a joke, really. The only thing which is advanced in Germany, and unnecessarily so, is the buerocracy.

Although please do not misunderstand; I am 100 percent all for keeping minors away from gambling or other things like drugs, which might cause a permanent dysfunction in the dopamine receptors of their still-growing brains.

Their brain growth should be unimpeded by outside interference.

I hope it will do the job why it is actually created for, but it will also affects the casinos badly due to increasing KYC requirements which may be also cause for an adult to feel uncomfortable to produce the biometric details if them while registering or logging in everytime. Can the casino give assurance for the data they are collecting will be safe forever?

Definitely there is an extra layer of verification, I think the service provider has to process the authenticity of the submitted documents, optimizing the scans of IDs and photos for more precise identification.  This might prevent forgery or identify forgery.


Well, there are some smarty pants minors out there who think they can outwit people by faking their identity or age just to bypass certain securities.  Blame the internet for that  ;D.


Most credit card holders don't know much about their cards transaction until they are notified, and true, there are lots of lousy irresponsible parents out there.


True that, most of the problem regarding minors into gambling is created by these unregulated casinos.  That is why the government is busy tracking them down and shut them once they got a grip on it.


The service provider is a US-based specialist hired by the German Commission for the Protection of Minor in the Media (KJM) to enhance their intended services.

They just approved it, but there is still no result of its success rate, the technology may be good but we are talking of the internet are they going to go full censorship and full restrictions, that's the only way you can trace the user, we'll see how good is this so-called advanced technology to restrict minors, I still have doubt when it comes to the internet, the only way you can restrict minors from accessing online casinos is to totally ban online casinos in the country, but of course, we still have the VPN to unlock it.

In my opinion, the government should not rely exclusively on technology to protect minors from entering a gambling site via the Internet. Also, it is not enough for the government alone to implement such measures, as others must become engaged in educating children about this issue. This is why I believe that conducting large-scale debates aimed at protecting minors from joining gambling would be useful!!!

Exactly!
Most casinos are fully aware that majority of their users are minors still they allow them to join and freely access every feature of theirs no minding the implications of their actions.
They just have the one rule of making money at any cost. 

I doubt it can



However the sad reality is that some governments especially in the African part simply do not care about all of these, and the minors on their own part may see this as an opportunity of making money.
So in that case, who educates who?

well let's imagine that a 16 year old kid in Germany takes his money (money that his parents gave him) buys cryptocurrencies and then opens an account at an online casino, uses a VPN and makes a deposit and starts playing. my question:

How will this child be discovered?

Would this Incode Technologies system find out that the least has an account at casino Z and is using cryptocurrencies to make deposits and play?

I would say the following:

Nowadays children already have access to smarphones and computers very early, what parents need to do is pay more attention to the child, provide civic and moral education to children, this is the only solution. when parents are negligent then children will get involved early in gambling, drinking, alcohol, robberies, murders, pornography and many other harmful things

What if the kid using a filter to make him looks like an adult and then the video he used to fake the biometric verification? I think it's kinda possible if the site only ask the biometric verification without ID. We're in 21st century and technology are improve really lot every year, anyone can use any tools that appeared in the google. There's nothing to stop this, except he's.

The world already knows the problem, minors are found to be involved in online gambling, with technology and the internet easily accessible, no exception children, adults to the elderly.

Sometimes KYC alone can't solve minors involved in online gambling, the identity of the attack era is easy to fake, the only way for gambling sites to do kyc photos, but that's not possible, strict registration rules could result in the site lack of subscribers.

Parental supervision, especially in this case, is the best solution.

Strict screening of players on gambling platforms will not solve this problem IMO. The youth are much smarter nowadays, and with the advent of lots of identity masking and some stolen dox online, they can just grab one and use it for KYC and they can play without problems. No matter how sophisticated or advanced their identification systems are, if the youth really wants to gamble and play, they will always find a way. I saw that "parental supervision" has been stated here for a lot of times. It is actually the simplest and most effective way to curb teenage gambling, but also the solution that not a lot of parents pursue for their children.

It doesn't need biometric verification, many casinos already demand a live video conversation in their TOS to make sure the client is a real person and same with the ID he submitted. If the client refuse to start a live video conversation, pretty sure there's something that he want to hide and as the casino, just freeze his fund until he can do it. However, this doesn't protect the minors completely 100% since there's a lot online casinos out there.

The counteraction they made is effective because they will filter out those people who plays on several casino which is under their jurisdiction, although we can't deny the fact that there are few of them will fake their credentials but for sure they cannot sustain it for long period of time.

Although this is good action made already we cannot give the full trust to the government about the minors protection toward gambling because in the first place their parents is the one first to protect the welfare of their child and they give full guidance to them for sure the society will never get any problem with them.

It's not just Germany, many other countries are now adding a digital ID, these Digital ID's can be used to access the sites online but at the same time this would indirectly verify your age, this inturn would mean that the government would be tracking you more efficiently but this also means that the kids won't be able to access these sites, so it's both good and bad for sure and I do think that technologies are evolving and gambling online using cryptocurrencies is getting much more restricted slowly therefore some people might choose to use VPN to access these sites and some of them might try and find a loophole I think overall it's a good idea to keep kids out.

in this case I think that also parents have their responsibilities with their kids.
not only as education or teaching some important stuff about gambling but also keeping control of ... own stuffs!
because if they are using credit card and private documents of their relatives, it means that something is going wrong and some control should be adopted in a certain way...

If biometric authentication is made mandatory for all users to access online casinos, I think that will provide great security against minors accessing the website. But it has to be completely biometric, not ID card scanning.

But the challenge will still remain in case of crypto gambling websites. They are international by nature as they don't rely on the tradition payment services. So it's interesting to see how German government plans to tacke that!

I certainly don't think minors should be gambling/betting on any sort of online or in person casinos, but I think a big part of the problem here is the parents themselves.  When I was younger there is no way I could have gotten away with this.  I had pretty strict controls on everything and my parents checked my browser history and what not.  Of course websites should do whatever they can to help out here, but I think the biggest issue is lack of proper parenting.

Parenting is a great or big factor but we know that there's no such thing about 100% parenting which you could really monitor out your kids 24/7 but having some monitoring is really recommended but not all
would really be having that kind of thing because we do have our jobs which means that you cant really able to do such thing but at least you are still that minding about your kids protection from
things which could possibly able to affect them in the future specially with gambling which we know that addiction is something that should really be avoided while its still early.
Make them educated about gambling if ever you cant monitor them strictly at least.

I don't think it's effective if a minor knows their parent's passwords or they manipulate their parents by creating an account here or totally bypassing these verifications by using a VPN or using other casinos that don't have this technology of verification, the article says



minors can easily sign up to casinos that do not adhere to or uses this technology, not every casino have this kind of verification, it will work on casinos that use them but not on casinos that still don't have that kind of verification process.

You have a point on this dude, especially nowadays, through the technology we got now in this generation everything is possible.
And in addition to this thing filter I think is one of their major tools for this kids to make look like an adult, and they can do this anytime
in any of the gambling games here in cryptocurrency industry as long as there is no verification requiring in the gambling games.

I believe so, biometric technology, especially for easy detection, has evolved a lot in recent years.
Of course, this technology needs to be used wisely... request biometric verification when making a payment and also in situations that the player does not expect, such as when he is losing or winning a lot of bets.
If it's just a photo, it can't be, either, but asking and detecting the user to blink their eyes or smile is something that can prevent many frauds with the use of false identity in gambling.

The fact is that whenever there is a rule, there is a way to break the rule, but it is better that measures are put in place to prevent minors from playing, even if some of them end up breaking the rule. A minor who steals the card from his parents to play is not going to last long, because sooner or later they are going to realize the charges of the card in the casino. All measures to prevent underage gambling are positive, and underage gamblers creating fake identities of using their parents' cards are the exception rather than the rule.

I agree, there's nothing I can think better that this way. It is very hard to monitor online transactions especially that we know this is still in crypto. If they will try to access mic or camera it will go against the privacy rule, family needs to monitor their child as well. Kyc is only way, but not all people like that and there's no exemption whether you are a minor or adult you still need to do it.

How we all wish as parents that our country will look at gambling in same manner as what Germany does now because this involves our youngsters and we cannot prevent them from accessing anything as we are also busy in our own works and activities,
but I kept telling my kids about the good and bad side of gambling and if they will going to enter then make sure to know the consequences , and yeah they are listening to me but it is much better if this verification will be conducted so none of them will be in trouble with gambling world.
unless they are ready enough? then I will never take in the middle of the activities but as long as they are under my roof? i will be the master to decide.

Kids today tend to be smarter and can find a solution to fake verification and with the support of the available technology, they can do it without any problems.
This filter might suppress the high number of children who are already gambling because it will try to stop them from accessing gambling sites.
If biometric features work, children will have a hard time verifying themselves as they won't match if they use adult identification.
But we still have to wait for the results of using this feature but hopefully, it will work well.

That cant be. That was only possible if you will be asked to upload your own selfie or video but this was real time as on what is stated. There will be no options for editing other than the capture button on the center. They are then going to compare it to the image shown in the i.d's, so there is no way that the kid can fake this out. This is a new kind of technology, means it is more intelligent than the previous ones.

My salute to the German country for implementing such thing. I guess minors being involved in gambling is now rampant there and this is not good. That is why they are doing what they can to stop this problem. it's a big help for the parents.

I know that the general consensus on this forum is that KYC is bad, but this is one of the examples where it works. I'm not entirely against KYC, however I do think we should be looking at alternatives whenever possible, to avoid compromising legitimate user privacy.

I'm not sure the best way here, I guess it would be only allowing a valid credit card, since they usually have to be opened up via a adult. I guess, the only issue is knowing that the credit card was legitimately opened, but shouldn't that be a credit card issuer, issue rather than a gambling company?

I'd rather give my details to a bank that issues the card, than to the gambling company direct. They could potentially even open up communications towards the banks, and get confirmation that it's legitimately owned by a adult, and therefore you wouldn't need to compromise your privacy on two places, only one.

Yes, the real-time verification process is unedited and cannot be filtered. I hope that countries that struggle with the same thing will also ask for a verification process to control the increasing number of minors getting involved in gambling. No matter how parents monitor their children, the exposure to gambling ads is everywhere on the internet so the government or gambling sites must also do their part to be responsible for solving this issue.

Biometric identification technology is indeed very effective, the system detects it in just seconds, I haven't heard of anyone who can fool the system. Too many gambling sites and minors will definitely find other solutions so they can gamble, the most to be considered is their connection and the role of parents who should monitor whither they access website, restrictions that must be increased.

Biometrics also has its exploits, not unless you're using retina or iris scanners for identification, but that technology in itself is extremely expensive and I doubt that your local law enforcement, or any other organization for that matter, will use it just to curb minors away from gambling. Ever heard of one guy recreating a politician's fingerprint from just mere pictures? (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30623611) Biometrics is a promising field for security enforcement, but it has a long way to go for it to be tightly secure.

It should be understood that all the laws on the collection of personal data only benefit the states, but not ordinary citizens.

Just imagine what will happen when there will be a massive leak of biometric data of the users who provided it. This will be an emergency situation, because using this data you can sell property, take out loans, sign various contracts.

That is why I have always been against this initiative.

This is a great move to prevent children that are less than 18 to participate in gambling activities which can have a diverse effect on there wellbeing. The rate at which students and under aged minors are engaging in gambling is vast and the government need to enforce a law or initiation strict rules that will limit them from jumping on gambling. Gambling has a vast effects and if caution is not taken, it could lead to addiction that might becomes difficult to regulate.

This step is going to create a wall of restrictions and prevent the rate at which under aged children activate their urge for gambling. The government are not the only one that will enable under aged ones to relinquish from gambling but parents too has their own roles to play to make this works.

Yeah, with having the current technology advancement today then its really hard for your child not able to see these things no matter how strictly you would monitor out your kids or children which it wont really be assuring that they

wont really be seeing those things thats why i do agree into that real-time verification process at least on  where it could really lessen out the tendency of minor involvement with gambling.
With easy access and easy getting those cards from parents or does have money wont really be that a problem which make dealings even way more easier.

Teenagers can use cryptocurrencies and buy any fake identity (or deal with adult acquaintances) on the black market. Therefore, it doesn’t matter if the casino is regulated or not, you correctly noted that the main task of raising children lies with the parents. Shifting this responsibility to the casino or the state will not lead to anything good.

All this is complete crap. I don't know how blind you have to be to seriously discuss this. Everything goes to the fact that all people will be deprived of the right to anonymity. The fact that this is done under beautiful pretexts (the fight against pedophiles, the fight against drugs, the fight against terrorists, etc.) does not change anything - as a result, the rights of law-abiding citizens are taken away.

The problem with minors involving in gambling won't be easily solved if its only about biometric verification. They will surely find ways not to be caught and then play gambling like adults. I guess there is no easy way to combat this. Only the parents will be able to control their children and strictly prohibit them from the world of gambling. Once they mature and create their own income, only by then they are allowed to gamble.

this dilemma i believe is hard to fully resolved as these kids will always find a way how to go around the requirements of the site. at the end of the day, it is indeed the discipline that their parents instilled on them. because these days, with the gadgets that they have access to, it is now easy peasy to create their account in any gambling site. now, it depends on how they will take care of their business once the site asks them to complete the kyc requirements, if in case, the site has suspicions about the age of the player.

If the state would encourage to stop minors from gambling, they should not focus on the minors themselves but on the casinos that are very much aggressive on attracting players regardless if they are minors or not. The state should also provide some consequences if casinos will fail to fulfill their obligations as they should not be aiming for the minors' lives to be rekt in gambling. That way, this case will be slowly controlled.

The government must still do everything to prevent those minors getting into gambling because we know the risk of it. Even if this technology doesn’t work, at least the government shows their sincerity to protect minors, and this is not an easy task for them since Minors will have a lot of ways to gamble especially in crypto gambling. The parents can’t totally control their Children but giving them the right education about gambling or spending money, this can at least discourage those kids from spending that much since they value money and its importance.

That's right. Casinos are more concern on the money that they can gain out from their regular players than to think of the future of their players. So its definitely not only on the minors faults, but also on the casinos that are allowing this to happen. And i don't think this KYC verification will fully solve the problem. It will only worsen the situation as anonymity will not be given full consideration.

They are not doing business for just worrying about the welfare of the child they are here for money so we cannot expect some actions made by then because their main concern is how they can attract more gamblers so that the money flow on their casino will continue. But even if KYC will not fully solve the issue but for sure it will lessen the situation since not everyone would waste their time to get some fake ids nor techy enough and knows how to do this fake id to submit on the casino where they desired to play.

Maybe yes maybe no it's not yet implemented but if they can get a good success rate like at least 60% or more success rate or even more then it's worth it, it has been the common problem in a society now that everything is online, minors can access everything now, in the olden days its easy because casinos are land-based and they can easily implement detection, but online minors can easily manipulate because they are always online and they know a lot of tricks online, one proof is my nephew who is still a minor but already knows a lot of tricks online, because all the information are easily accessible, like bypassing websites with the use of a VPN.

definitely biometric identity is the most accurate to prevent minors from playing gambling using their parent's ID...

I am sure of this (biometric ID will be effective) because there are online transportation services in my country that require drivers to use biometrics to be able to access their accounts every day, the point is to prevent those who are not registered from misusing their identities and prevent other criminal acts such as robbery etc.

If a gambling platform requires KYC, comminky they will ask for picture of hinslef/herself holding ID. But that is KYC and ut is still pro and con about KYC requirement.
However, even if a gambling platform require KYC and ask for that kind of photo, we may ask about how perfect they can evaluate the data? How if they are fake one.
But once more, KYC doesn't guarantee that we can get legit gambling platform with high security. At least, we have tried to do that. How secure our ID data and How secure the gambling platform is.

I'm not sure if the technology can work properly because, without the support of every parent who wants to protect their children, they will be able to visit gambling sites and play gambling freely even though such technology exists. Minors are always concerned for their parents, so they don't do anything that could harm their mental health in the future. If parents are not included, it will not work well whatever the technology they use. But we can see what will happen later and hope that will protect minors from gambling addiction.

Then how these minors can top up their account at gambling sites? Surely, they can't easily access their parents' financial sources. For let's say they are using their allowance, what method they are using to fund their account as almost all payment methods require KYC?

About the initiative of the German government to control the minors, we aren't sure if that will be effective in the long run but it's a good start rather than doing nothing and just allowing minors to freely roam and gambled at gambling sites without parent's consent.

If the minors steal IDs from their parents, doesn't that mean that their parents aren't actually monitoring them as they should? Shouldn't the parents be blamed for this and not the casino. It is the responsibility of the parents to know what their kids are doing.

Anyway, most casino will require them to hold their ID and take a selfie. They won't be able to do that. Initial verification might not require that, but they eventually will have to.

I think when applying Biometric identification technology in gambling places, it will make your privacy known to many people and can make the company that develops this technology get all personal identities and maybe sell it on the black market, because so far as I know it was created. Digital currencies such as cryptocurrencies have the aim of keeping the wallet owner from being known to many people (anonymous) and when it is adopted to a gambling place it is very suitable because everyone can gamble without worrying about privacy.

The government already doing something about this minors problem and gambling site too have implemented the method to prevent this.
So,it depends on the individual now,the parents or adult around them should educate these minors to not involve themselves to any kind of gambling activities online or offline.

This is one of the cases that they are trying to solve since the boom of online gambling. It doesn't work.
First, an online gambler doesn't want all his information leaked. That means if they implement the KYC rule of ID verification with the owner holding it, I'd rather not do it if I am in that position and look for another gambling site that offers no KYC like that. They lose customers.
If a kid has a parent who uses their identity to gamble, then that's the parents' problem, in my opinion as a parent. You cannot trace every user in the gambling industry just to check the legitimacy of their age.

Some of the player does not want to give their identity well it is part of credentials and important information of a person that it can be used in the wrong way too that's the reason why they want to keep themselves anonymously still the choice of the player with that also another thing is the KYC is protection to the minors too we know that it is not too much implemented just clicking agree that you are 18 you can now proceed to play but with the use of KYC they are preventing to play at the same time prevent the number of players who is under 18 for their safety too.

By far it is best but all have weaknesses. The best protection is education from an early age. How does a child know what is ok and what is not. I think if parents notice this all will go well. Relying on the system of service providers and the government will not be effective enough to displace underage users. They have to work together so as to create mutually beneficial circumstances.

It would even be easier for them to access on crypto casinos, they don't need to fake their cards because some gambling sites has no KYC requirement. That's the trend these days already, we cannot give that burden to the government, parents should be more responsible in monitoring their minor children to ensure they are not gambling.

The site itself will govern a strict registration platform that requires KYC if they wanted to strongly imposed NO Minors allowed. In this case, this will give no way for them to get involved in gambling.

But because many gambling sites don't require this (and to protect privacy), there is no way to stop them. Casinos can be possible but if we talk about online gambling that is very easy to manipulate and even use other identities. This is hard to regulate as people and these minors will certainly find a way no matter how hard it was.

That's correct as these minors can get away from KYC by using crypto-casinos. However, these minors will have trouble funding their crypto-gambling site's account as they need the service of centralized exchanges in most cases.

Actually, prohibiting minors to gamble will just result in building confusion and curiosity among them.

There are no 100% preventive measures for minors not to be exposed to gambling. Gambling is everywhere! Instead of prohibiting them to do gambling, build instead an awareness of all the risks they will encounter once they enter the world of gambling.

Learning starts from home so we, as parents, should educate our kids about the risks of gambling as early as possible. If we enlighten them about the possible effects of gambling, they would learn how to get rid of it. We should let them know how gambling works and as much as possible, tell them to avoid it so that in the future, they won't be the government's problem.

If the account is already registered by their parents and it was already login in then their kids can still play on the gambling site. This is why parents must log out all of their gambling accounts and also the website must impose some kind of a selfie verification before you can finally log on to your account, this way, the minors can do nothing.

It is important for the minors to protect them from getting exposed in gambling because as a minor, they still have a lot of responsibilities to do like studies. Not only gambling actually but there are also other things that are addictive and may not be good enough for our children, one of it is video games.

It can be double edge sword because not all kids can understand what does his parents talking about especially if he's a close minded person. He wouldn't care anything what does the parents say, he will try to gamble and if he like it, he will continue until he lose all his money. This will lead him become an addict, so it's completely hard to choose which good strategy for parenting.

Without the cooperation of parents or guardians, the problems of gambling among minors won't end. It's not that these guardians should keep those minors away from gambling but just give them a serious talk about gambling in general. Parents can do it while having lunch or dinner while watching TV with them etc.

The government is just there to help and assist everyone regarding that problem but the solution should come from the home.

That's where the proper discussion should be.

Yes, children don't always listen to their parents' advice because you can't have someone else's experience. We almost always want to explore on our own things that parents tell us about. Think back to your childhood and adolescence. I'm sure you explored a lot on your own, despite your parents' prohibitions. But it is necessary to talk to children, because only a parent can really teach a child responsibility to himself and his loved ones.

Quite right. Any existing data can be (and will be) stolen. But it's one thing when a private key was stolen from us (which, by the way, we store ourselves without any centralized databases) and another thing when someone stole our biometric identity. We can create a new key and forget about the old one, but in the case of biometric data, this will not work.

Blaming the casino is not much a smart action to made since many people know the risk upon going there and if there parents notice that there children is already engaging on it then they get addicted then the blame should goes to them. Casino is there doing there own business so parents make sure that they are in control with their child because the first education about this start at home.

And since Selfie verification is now needed for sure this will lessen up the minors engaging on gambling sites so this is good action made by casino and the legal implementing bodies which require it to have on platform which deal money to their costumers.

Well the use of KYC could help reduce the access of under aged gamblers from jumping into gambling unnecessarily. The KYC use is only limited to some gambling platforms that take it seriously to screen the identity of their users.

We know that many of the good and reliable gambling platforms does not ask for KYC which is the reason why they have lots of users who can freely use their site without any restrictions or exposing their identity to the internet. There could be little or no effect to the use of KYC to restrict under aged gamblers from gambling.

I can attest that its also effective since we are using it too in our company every time there is a need for fast verification. However, even if that technology is very advanced and can eventually pinpoint if you are faking your identity or not, that does not guarantee that it can never be scammed by brilliant minds of minors. Technology should also know that. So for me, its really hard to control the minors these days not to gamble, unless if the parents will take the first step to protect their teens not to gamble.

At the home, the emphasis should not be on restrictions but on education about gambling, we have a saying that the more you restrict the more they will go for it because of curiosity, so parents should expose their children to gambling as a way to educate them but not to tempt them to gamble, children will listen if those telling them are their parents and about the truth of the subject.

Most of the time, restrictions will give these minors a rebellious mood.
So yes, it is better to educate them and be open for discussions about this topic.
Because the more you restrict them, the more they have the nosiness to try the game.
If the parents will set a good example, the kids will have the notion that they need to follow also their parents.
Bottomline, it is how you instill discipline and good disposition in life to these young minds.
In time, they will understand the significance of what your are conveying to them.

facial recognition is really the best policy to reduce minors from gambling

education from an early age I think is not very effective because I was personally given education about gambling at an early age (at the age of 11 years) by my parents and teachers but I still play gambling even almost addicted

Today's children have a very high curiosity (about gambling, sex and drugs) and that's really worrying :'(

Parenting would really be having a great role on making your children able to avoid those things but we know that not all children would be that obedient nor do follow everytime on what their parent tells them.
For government actions about blocking it then this is a very common step that they would really be making even though it might not really that 100% effective but at least they could lessen out
with those minor involvement with gambling which is something not really a bad move or action that they had made at least.The rest of these things would be talking about
on some parenting which would really differ on each parents on how they would really be doing or handling it.

Parents can't avoid the possibility of their children encountering gambling in the future. That thing can't be avoided and it's all about that kid's preference if they want to try it or not. Even those kids don't know the risks of gambling, it's not that automatically, they will try it. Not all children like to gamble and that's a fact.

Gambling is everywhere. Even just by walking in the streets, these children might encounter any related stuff to gambling.

Not the parents, not the government, but I think the gambling site operator itself should be strict with the KYC process. In most usual cases, KYC should require selfie verification. I wonder how these kids now will be able to breach that verification.

You have to be in the tech industry or at least try their service if you really want to know the answer. I'm giving the company the benefit of the doubt in determining the authenticity of documents provided through the KYC process and cross-checking with selfies. It's probably over the top for Germany to hire a third party to do all these but it's all good if they are efficient and effective.

Just site access? Not completely. Maybe yes if we're talking about depositing and playing.

Often times it is the parent's negligence that leads their children to access and play on an online gambling site.  Working parents can find online gambling as means of their relaxation, they will play at night after work and forget to log out of their account when they stop playing the worst they use the PC that can be accessed by anyone in the family.  Children, when using the same PC can accidentally discover that gambling site and start playing with their parent's accounts.  That is one of the hows of these kids playing on an online gambling site.

If it is useful to reduce the number of minors who are used to gambling, I think it can be tried to be done. If the results are good, I think they can continue it or add something else as support. Such technology may be new and not yet fully implemented but over time, I think that technology will also develop. So, for the time being, the technology can be tried to be applied first while the government can evaluate it later to see how it turns out.

Hoping that my country will add this also because there are so much happening now in my city that Minor is even involving in crimes just to gain amount for gambling .

so if this protection will be conducted to young generation  so they cannot abuse the parents or even their oldies details to gamble and become addicted .

Well first of all i definitely agree, that minors should not be able to gamble online. The reason for that is pretty simple: Minors are just not fully developed yet, physically but also mentally. Therefore i think it is safe to say that in general minors are way more prone to becoming addicted to online gambling than adults. Of course there are always exceptions too. I have not read to much about the system that Incode Technologies is using so i am not really sure what kind of method they are using in order to verify the age of users, but i am pretty sure that this kind of method could also be cheated again because i think there is no 100% bullet proof method to do online verification.
In the end the parents need to look after their child and what they are doing.

Although the step to restrict minor gamblers is good but still they have lot of ways to submit fake identity and keep playing but as we have seen gambling is too risky and can lead to some other issues which is bad for teenagers as they develop more problems at young age.There should be certain more strict implications to stop them from gambling and avoid problems in their personal life.

I think so because with the easy access to the internet, which is available everywhere and the ease of verification by small gamblers or minors, they will be able to skip the verification easily. I guess it's because they can figure out how to bypass the existing verification process by reading related articles. But if there are family members who can always remind them of the dangers of gambling and can keep an eye on minors while connected to the internet, that thing can be avoided and they will not try to fake verification or submit fake identities.

That scenario could happen, and that's totally an irresponsible act of a certain parent. I find it more convenient gambling using mobile than the computer and it's more safe from the children getting exposure from any gambling website when you're playing on your laptop or desktop.
But of course, the gambling owner must have their fair share of responsibility for keeping away the minors from playing on their website.

The priority of parents is to look after the child and monitor any suspicious activity.  in my country the same thing is applied, I think this is the first prevention that parents should do, as for what you say the problem of whether the technology is effective or not depends on how you manage it.  there will be trails and errors and that's for sure, in the future innovation will definitely be more useful for us, especially parents

That will be a big challenge because we really need to be careful what to feed in our children's minds, there's a time for that and it's important to know when is the time to teach them about these things so that they won't go for that path with curiosity and we know that mostly it won't end well if they're not guided properly. Exposing them to a gambling environment may give them an opposite impact instead of educating them, it's still better to educate them without exposing them in that environment and introduce them to some hobbies that is quite different.

Proper guidance is the key even we parents are busy with our jobs or business then we should at least consider on having some time on explaining things to our children and kids and not something turns out to be that
irresponsible because that would surely be giving out big effects into your children when they become big and mature. Its good that they would be aware on how things works
because there's no other things which couldnt really be done first by rather its on parenting where awareness comes first and if you do fail on this one then
expect on what would be the probable things to happen.

^ That is right, I totally disagree with blaming casinos for minors who gamble there because they are minors, it is on parents' responsibility not to engage in gambling with their young child. Proper guidance should always be there even how busy you are in your work and don't blame gambling casinos because they allow minor age because even though they will prohibit minor age there is still a way that they can gamble through fake identity.
However, for extra protection for minors, it is better for the country that takes an action like this, it will surely have a benefit the future for young generations.

With the supervision of parents for their children, they will not try to do things they should not be done at their age. If it is successfully done, then it does not require any technology from parents because they will be able to discuss with their children well and understand that playing gambling can pose a risk of losing money. But it would be even better if there was technology that would detect if a child visited a gambling site to play gambling so that they would be immediately banned from continuing.

From the beginning I understand that gambling is not meant for young adults who are jobless and you are student this month for rich people what have a potential business and the Gamble as a result of play in order to keep up listening but children of nowadays misunderstood gambling as method off making money so these has put male adult child it's your problem by stealing the money that is not belong to them to play gamble. So before we can restrict it for children not to participate and Gamble it will take a lot of time and years.

Still, the parent's assistance and guidance is the most ideal thing to do to prevent minors from early gambling but again if the minors is already enlightened about the activities of it they think it is just normal. That's the reason too why some of the gambling platforms would like to make a KYC because of the abuse of the players at the same time limiting the minors to make a game and i guess having acceptance with the agreement is not enough for terms of condition policy for minors.

That's right, those of us who like privacy don't like KYC very much, but we have to recognise that when it comes to preventing minors from gambling or people from cheating with multiple accounts, it is effective, although never 100%.


When you put mechanisms in place, there is always a way to bypass them, the point is that the more mechanisms you implement, the harder it is to bypass them. I believe that with this, underage gambling will be greatly reduced, if not completely eliminated.

I think I agree with this idea wholeheartedly. When I was kid which is back in early 2000s, I didn't know much of technology as my country had limited amount of internet coverage and phones were not smart but yet dumb. In 2022 kids grow up with smartphones which are literally computers and speedlight internet. Just a little bit of courage and intellect will make kids solve any, literally any issues or blockings on internet. It is obvious.

This is the main issue. If a child is smart and cunning enough to be able to use cards that belong to his parents he's also be able to use VPN and hide his age. You'd need all gambling sites to run video verification like the KYC done by banks and they'd still probably try to cheat with face changing software or fake IDs because there's no risk. Worst case scenario a casino bans them and they will try to make an account elsewhere.
Good effort by Germany but it will probably make everyone's lives there harder with more restrictions and teenagers will still find a way around it.

What cards? I.d or credit/debit? But he didn't say stole but it was the money given by the parents. Stealing is a different case but it is bad if the kid is like this. The problem is now going to be two, not only one. He can bypass country restrictions with the help of a vpn but it didn't have the ability to bypass the signup process and if the site requires a kyc the only way to change their age is to use a fake i.d but there are some that steal their parents i.d and use it.

The risk is the money can get stuck inside the gambling site if they require a kyc upon withdrawals and you can't successfully do it but if you haven't deposited anything yet then there's no risk with it.

I can tell from all replies that we have different standpoints regarding who is responsible for Minor who are exposed to gambling.  I can say that parents have huge responsibility since education always starts from home.  We can also blame technology for this since, with smartphones and the internet, children that have access to it has a limitless boundary for exploration.  And lastly, we can also put the blame to the casino since they do not do their due diligence in verifying whether documents are sent by a minor if it is actually theirs or not.

With the emerging problem, technologies for minor protection are researched, created, and developed but I do not think that it is enough to solve the issue.  If we talk about Minor protection, Casinos, technology, and parents should stand hand in hand in protecting minors from accessing gambling sites.

I don't think that with technology we will able to protect the minors from gambling who really want to do it. When I remember how it was when I was a kid, we couldn't be stopped by any age limitations. My friends and I invested so much time to circumvent technology that it became a game by itself. Who ever was able to find the first exploit or crack to access the 18+ content was the king in school. For a casino this is a big problem, because a few kids will gamble no matter what. Even with most kids not engaging in gambling below the age of 18, they know it's illegal and will follow the law, the casino needs to protect the minor. On the other side are the gamblers who don't want to share all their private information only to show that they are really 18. I think it's also the kids parents fault who gamble because they should supervise their kids. If the parents have no idea what the kids are doing online then it's hard to only play the parents. The best is to be open with our children and try and make them understand that gambling is risky and we can lose money with it.

The internet is a scary place, you wouldn't know until you know the intensity of the impact it can do on minors, that's why it is advisable not to allow them to use the internet except when they have a college assignment. You have seen that KYC is sometimes requested from casino but this is very cheap to buy from anyone, there are plenty of ways people buy KYC online to bye-pass any restriction, the agency really have a big job to do because I feel that a child that is below 18+ will gamble anytime they like, only with parents this fight can be successfull.

The issue of minors being involved in gambling is not really a news. It's been existing long time ago and until now, it isn't fully solved yet because the reasons stem to many factors. And some of these factors are beyond the control of the authorities such as disciplining the child, giving the right counsel, and good guidance of parents.

A lot of ways are actually made to save the lives of the youth. Of course, the government wants to preserve their innocence and let them have peaceful life where gamble could take away, most especially they are still in their young stage and phase in life. Unfortunately, there are still so many countermeasures that could be done to bypass most of the imposed methods to protect the minors.  This involves identity theft which is the usage of a card that's not really theirs, stealing their guardians card information, and asking other people such as friends to help them bypass the security.

As we know, technology is evolving and so are the ways to infiltrate systems. KYC could be a good band aid solution, but the problem must be addressed from its roots.

In my opinion, the right thing is that parents are more assertive and always supervise and also limit their children who are still underage when accessing the internet using smartphones and others, considering the rise of online gambling and technology that continues to develop making things easier.
and if we blame the government, I think the government and some people or groups have made efforts to block online gambling sites.
and the problem is that because of the unregulated online internet, as well as the freedom, there are millions if not billions of IP addresses in this world, and it is impossible to block them all by the government.
so the most important role is for parents or the whole family to control each other and remind each other and also advise that online gambling is not good and dangerous.

It's part of parenting on which it is really that needed for you to guide your children on the right path of things but same as you said that because of technology development where it is really that unavoidable for something to be seen even on unintentional kind of manner that's why it would really be that sensible that you would really be making your children to be supervised and be aware and letting them know and realized on what's the cons of gambling.We parents aren't really that perfect to monitor our child 24/7 which it is really that we do need those kind of steps at least.

Children are getting their hands on smartphone apps before they have gotten their first tooth. Kids will always have access to the internet, but what they don’t always know is how to use the internet safely. As parents, we must arm our children with the knowledge and skills necessary to stay safe online, but before doing so, we need to do our part by keeping an eye on our children online and remaining vigilant.

By being constantly on the lookout for signs of danger, we can help ensure that our children grow up feeling safe and secure, not scared and constantly wary of the world they live in. We can start by being aware of the warning signs and steps we should take if we have reason to believe our child has come into contact with inappropriate content online. It is our duty to keep our children safe. Don't trust anyone to do it for you.

Like any regulation imposed, there is no guaranteed possibility that it will totally wipe out minors who can access gambling websites but it can definitely lessen the number with the introduction of such technology. In comparison, before you enter any porn websites (which is also considered illegal for minors), only some terms and agreements stating that you must be 18 years old to access is required to press in order to proceed with the website.

Again, with this kind of introduction, any kind of help that caters to online gambling addiction (especially when minors are involved) are always welcomed. Though this may not completely avoid minors from entering this kind of addiction, expect that numbers and traffic would be lessened from now on.

That's easier said than done, unless you're a parent by yourself. Parenting is not that simple especially if your family have 24 hours internet access. With that said, you're living an above average life where almost everyone in the house has smartphone and laptop. Stricted internet sites is just so simple to access too for an above average kids. With that kind of life, parents are busy making money to make their kids live a good life. And this kind of family where kids act on their own and simply tries everything what can be done in the internet.

Ofc, even in the lower categories do something like this too, even just living an average life or even below where most poor guys act like betting their life for gambling.

The only thing that is possible is to avoid the kids getting influenced by the adults, where gambling cannot be seen in the premise and do other things instead.

To some extent this will make a positive response, due to the usage of biometrics. In what all way we keep them away from gambling, if they want they'll make a way and use it. This is how the present generation, because they're well aware of the technology and the ways. In other words, they knew better than us. Minor protection is a must, because if the kid deviates at his childhood then it is hard for him to concentrate on other things of life.

Indeed, with the technology that we have today, it is too difficult to learn what your kids are browsing over the net. Also, if I may add, you can also instill the concept of how to take care of their money or financials. I know, it is too early for these kids to learn their financial aspect of life. But you can already introduce the basic things about money, how you earn your money, how can they save money. Because if you are open to them with such discussions, maybe, they will learn how to value their funds.

I think sometimes we as parents miss something that happens to our children when they use the internet and can't always control what they do on the internet, the safest thing is when parents can provide restrictions on accessing gambling or adult content on several platforms so that even though the child is searching on the internet, it is still safe because it cannot access sites that are not allowed. some iOS devices have implemented such a system so that the internet world will be safer when children use the device you have.

Many casino are aware that minors do play bet with their company but they don't really care because what they need is money. When you login into there site they will only tell you gambling is for 18+, no strict verification to access users. It will be good for casino to make verification requirements strict to  control the rate which minors  play gamble.

Actually, so far, I have not heard of many cases of discovery for children's gambling activities. But I'm sure it actually exists. The rise of promotions carried out on social media can certainly attract new registrants and maybe children. We don't blame gambling sites, but nowadays many artists offer sites to add money. This gambling site is like sloot, there is no filter on social media.
Indeed, some credible gambling sites have filters through KYC so the possibility of children joining is quite difficult. But for unregistered sites we and the government can't control it. The best control is the supervision of their family.

KYC has pros and cons, some gamblers agree with it but the majority of gamblers definitely don't want that. the impact of gambling sites that do not require KYC is a minor that will definitely play on the site. the times are getting more sophisticated, in my city, there are still many minors who are already playing gambling with a capital of hundreds of bucks, besides using their parents' identities, the minors must also use their parents' money to play gambling.

In fact, a warning label is quite enough. Why should casinos invent sophisticated KYC? They can still be bypassed one way or another. Parents should be involved in the upbringing of children and they should ensure that children do not do what is forbidden/harmful, and not outside organizations. In general, I noticed from all these measures that supposedly protect children there is almost no benefit, and there is a lot of harm.

Maybe the KYC that is required for protection is not complete because KYC verification can be improved with live face verification (selfie) such as the KYC process on Binance and on other exchanges. Strict KYC process will minimize fake user accounts because it will be difficult to pass the steps without real identity and face verification.

However, the involvement of parents in monitoring children's activities must be prioritized because in the era of technology that allows children to access adult activities because it is easy to break into access to adult search categories on search engines, I think the mobile or desktop device used must activate synchronization to an email address to save everything from browser activity.

I started gambling as a child. At that time the Internet was very poorly developed and did not allow to play gambling, so we played various card games with friends on the street. Just as now we played for money as it increases the excitement. So even if we completely ban gambling it is not the fact that children will not find opportunities to play the same poker.

i can say, sometimes it is also the environment where you were brought up. if gambling game is easily accessible once you get out of your door, definitely, you will try it as a kid. even if your parents are not into gambling, but your peers are playing some sort of gambling games, you will try and learn from them. now, it is your upbringing how you will keep up on these games, are you going to seriously take this or just play occasionally? and you can bring this up until you grow old if you go deep in these games. that is, if your parents don't know about it, or will not strictly tell you to stop on this habit.

I continue to gamble, but only online. I don't gamble daily and can control myself and my finances. Also, I don't gamble to win. Rather, I gamble just for fun. My parents don't make decisions in my life for a long time and I don't see any problem with gambling as it helps me to get away from work and worries and have a good time paying a little money for it. 

The government is playing it's own role in protecting her minors from involving in gambling by providing such age verification  tech as they understand the negative effect underage gambling can have on children so it therefore boils down to the parents to act in their own sphere by in assisting the effort of the government by preventing their underage children from easily having access to be it their cards or other gadgets they probably use in accessing these gambling sites.

Just like in the  card aspect, they can act as watchdogs by taking time to maybe doing a weekly review of what their card might have been used for by their children and if they find a trace relating to gambling usuage which wasn't done by them (Adult) then some questions could be raised to the child/children (minor) for such utility.

You will never be able to stop underage gambling, because the real problem is "bad parenting". You can implement all the KYC requirements and other systems to try and prevent it, but the "bad parents" will create loopholes for their kids to gamble.

So, how do you change "bad parenting" in a society? Well, you make the "parents" accountable for their kids behavior and what they allow their kids to do. (Let them pay huge fines, when you catch them doing something illegal)  ;)
 

How you do consider bad parenting? You can't really tell that someone parents are bad just because they had some child which is a gambler.Yes, monitoring is crucial but there are instances which can't really be avoided or can be seen from time to time and due to the era we do have on which accessibility is really a matter of few clicks which does simply means that you can't perfectly see all the activities where your child is involving that's why aside from monitoring then it is better to make them also aware and realize ok what is gambling all about and it's cons.

Well, the truth is that I am more inclined that players who are minors are the total responsibility of their parents, it could not be another responsibility of anyone else, for a KYC with the ability that minors currently have, it would not be much of a problem for now, I think the greatest danger is in children who are between 8 and 12 years old, who are more vulnerable, in addition, children at that age are very intelligent and can violate any site because their very curiosity leads them to learn about everything that is security in order to to continue advancing in a game, more if it is about playing to win money, this for me has to do with the total responsibility of their parents.

government can left such ban depending the the country we are into all the country where we are I know right where that gambling is wrong something to do but it is a business of someone by creating such sites of gambling so anywhere you are since there is internet access you can operate through the internet. Both of us not very well my gambling government cannot restrict it not operate even though they're making use of it offline it is the same like online. And restricting it will not happen from i understand

Gold words! Parents are responsible for their children and if they do not fulfill their parental responsibilities, they should either be fined or deprived of parental rights. But at the moment everything is happening in a different way: a totalitarian KYC is being introduced that concerns everyone and interferes with everyone.

With all the major put in place to prevent underage gambling, the number of underage children venturing into gambling lately have being on the increase. The government may have put this major in place but then there are lots of violators who have constantly gotten involved in gambling even when they are not up to 🔞 and this is a cause for concern the rate of gambling addiction is below 🔞 is high and drastic action needs to be taken outside what the government has done already.

This is where KYC is strictly been implemented on whatever centralized platforms or businesses which are regulated which is commonly be seen on fiat casinos even though or despite of such restriction there are still kids or minors who do still able to access and able to play.How much more on crypto based gambling sites?  Pretty sure that there are lots who could able to access since this is a decentralized market and now government
is trying to touch up crypto platforms as well which we do see some of them already are implementing KYC thats why its not surprising that they would really be following on the same trend sooner or later
but for now we could still enjoy to play without having verification but sadly there are really cons on every pros that we do have.

This factor is the focus of every country to prohibit minors from gambling. but in fact we meet many children aged 15 years and over who have plunged into the world of gambling. maybe in this case we cannot blame any party because the factors that cause minors to play gambling are caused by promiscuity in their environment. Especially now that the modern era will all be easily influenced by various gambling advertisements that are scattered so that it indirectly becomes an attraction for minors to play gambling. maybe kyc is very easy for anyone to send fake data and i think kyc is not the right way for this problem. Minors are generally still under the supervision of their parents, if parents do not supervise them properly, they will automatically be easily influenced by the things they have just seen.

-maybe some neatly arranged methods that I got from the casumocares site, maybe it can help those of you who already have children.

~Always “log out” immediately when you’re done with a gaming session.
~Do not use autofill for login details.
~Keep your usernames and passwords out of the reach of children.
~Ensure that your credit card details are kept safe and private.
~Do not play on gaming sites in the presence of children.
~Supervise your child’s use of the internet.
~Avoid allowing children to spend too much leisure time on the internet.
~Learn more about the parental tools available on your devices.
~Educate your child about the risks of accessing illegal sites, in particular, online gambling.

~Source : https://casumocares.com/protecting-minors-en/

You have spoken well, A lot need to be done as a parent to prevent young one from getting involved in gambling at early stage. Internet education is better taught to your child by yourself and doesn't leave that key aspect of their life to school teachers, the Internet is full with many adults contents and activities that os not appropriate for kids to get exposed to so there is need to close monitoring from the parent. Under age, gambling is one of the worst disadvantages of gambling as under age gambling addiction is hard to control.

If it requires KYC and a selfie then the kids or teens has to ask their parents to have a pose with their IDs in front of them.

The parents might ask them and they'll lie and still eventually they have passed that process. I think teens and kids are wiser these days than when we're kids.

They never stop being curious and thinks of tricks that they can do if they really want something to get or to be in.

True, this all depends on the upbringing and the role of parents is very important in this regard because indeed this is the responsibility they have to give to the child regardless of what the child does, it all comes back to the parents.
But the problem with KYC now is quite difficult, many people really don't want something like this because apart from the restrictions there, KYC is also quite risky for most people.

Definitely, underage children are their parent's responsibility.  Parents should spend time teaching their children.  If they need to be strict and lecture them just to make them a "good fruit" then they must do it.  Government has no ability to babysit someone's children, all the government do is set regulation and pass bills. 


I definitely agree with you! Poor parents, but I think giving them punishment due to their kid's misbehavior is just.  Parents must be accountable for their underage child's crimes. 

I think you are very right, implementing kyc is not a bad idea, to some level it will help, but even with kyc some parents will still create gambling account for their children and they will complete kyc for them which is bad because they are supporting minors gambling, so I believe their should be punishment for parents encouraging their children to gamble by paying fan if they are investigated and found guilty.

These kids can trick their parents in doing so.

Maybe they'll say that it's a sort of verification for their school or any legitimate place they're going and then, as busy parents are. They'll just do whatever their kids ask them to do.

And that's the bad side of being busy as a parent.

Bottomline, the impact would be on their kids. If they can't look after their kids, the likelihood of getting into this industry at early age is always there. The responsibility is with the parents. If they can't take care of their kids, at least, instill them the discipline and the value of money. Let us all admit that as parents, we can't watch them 24/7, so the influence is always there.

this issue may not only have to do with parents being bad, in an era where even 10-year-olds have access to smarphones with internet and parents need to spend hours at work to earn money, it is inevitable that parents lose control over the children. Naturally, children will go on the internet and will search for ways to earn money and will discover games of chance, there are many adults who gamble and who also have children and these adults play in front of their children, anyway this question is very difficult to solve. deal and have solutions

Just like with everything else that is done over the internet it will be pretty hard for them to limit this.  Once a way around it is found out about it will be exploited over and over.  Where there is a will there is a way.  Wish there was a better way though it really is unhealthy for under age people to gamble.

Using biometric technology for age verification looks pretty good, this could be a good solution to reduce access to gambling sites by minors.
But even so, those (minors) who already know about gambling sites will do everything they can to be able to open them again.
Actually, a very important role lies with parents, as parents must be able to keep their children from being connected to any gambling sites. If parents care about their children, then parents will be the first protection from gambling sites.

It's a hassle thing not just for minors but also for legal-age gamblers that want to gamble.

Gambling sites won't just focus on preventing minors as they have businesses to run. If they will add that biometric technology, I doubt some users will still try that site. For a solution, they will just find a user-friendly site that doesn't have any hassle thing about registration.

That wasn't a good idea and in fact, that's only a band-aid solution as minors can still access gambling sites in a various ways.

It looks like it will be a never ending job as people or minors who can exploit it will surely be able to find other ways to get into the casino. The government should try hard to limit their movement by enacting rules and it is hoped that parents can also supervise their children using the internet properly. If it is about minors accessing the internet, it will relate to parents who have to supervise them and take responsibility for their children.

Although with this technology, I'm not sure this will prevent the protection of children under their age, they can still enter because various ways will be done because the internet is unavoidable, it's quite easy for children to access it.

In fact, I agree with you how important the role of parents is, if you don't want this to happen then parents must be vigilant, even though the internet is now free, they should be able to check it on a scale this will help their children remain a protection that is not wild, therefore I have The principle is that I will continue to watch over my child when he is a child, when he is an adult it will become his own care.

It seems to me that the degree of struggle of those who are trying to protect children/adults from something bad is already very reminiscent of the thesis "let's put everyone in a cage for their own safety." It is probably worth moving from preventing problems to correcting their consequences (for example, punishing parents if their children are involved in gambling), then people will develop a sense of responsibility and not infantilism as it is now.

On the other hand, as parents, we could be a perfect example to our kids. As to happen that kids are also encouraged to try gambling for this is what they saw from their parents, some had also been taught by them. But of course, the constant guidance of the parents helps to prevent this unwanted thing to happen, the earlier we stop them from having an interest in gambling and educate them is way better not to get into the point of addiction because it is really hard to stop.

Kids have an interest on gambling because they're want to double or triple their money, you can't stop them about interest on gambling since you wouldn't have any solution to double or triple their money. When you're trying to force them to stop gambling, then they will gamble behind you and perhaps would make a worse problem in the future. Education is the key and it's advice able to let professional taking care a kid.

Parents with minors should either stop gambling or keep their devices out of the reach of their kids. This to me is the best protection minors can get from gambling.  Also they have a role to play in talking to their kids about the inherent dangers of gambling addiction. That is responsible parenting. Where a parent has failed in this role then this technology which I have doubts about can come into play. I'd like to see the statistics of how effective this technology is in six(6) months.

The issue is that technology like this is useless to protect kids from early gambling, after all even if the technology was 100% effective and no minor could gamble at any casino around the world, what can stop a minor from buying a pack of playing cards and begin to play poker, blackjack, baccarat or any other gambling game played with those cards and make some bets among them? There is no way to protect minors from that and as such all of those technological measures are a waste of time against someone which is completely determined to gamble.

There's a lot of ways and methods on which someone could able to deal up with gambling no matter how strict those prohibitions are thats why i do see that the most effective would really be totally

starting with parenting on which on this area will really be that recommendable on doing so since it will open the eyes or awareness of your children on early times on whats gambling and whats the possible things that could happen specially when you are already on that addiction mode and if they do find out to be that awful situations then its just common sense that they would avoid it out.

Its true that on the technology that we do have today then getting of it 100% is impossible.If you wanted to gamble then there is hundreds of ways on doing it.

There's already a lot of different software solutions out there which can verify identity documents of players, what Incode Technologies is offering doesn't seem that unique. Most sites these days require a scan of an identity document along with some sort of utility or banking bill, which tends to eliminate most younger people from playing as it's unlikely they'll have easy access to both along with a funded bank account. Any extra steps to verify age are obviously helpful, but I doubt this company is unique in being the only one permitted to offer age verification services. It's a one off documentation verification service, it's not going to offer any protection at all for minors using their parents pre-authorized accounts.

It is not all the time that parents can be with their children. You know these days, the kids have been too intelligent because of modern technology and they know how to use it.
What's worse is if they know how to use it in a bad way and that's the worry not just from the government but also from the parents. The supervision at all times is impossible to happen.

I can't blame those parents that can't look out for their kids at all times because of them being busy to work or business.

We can't truly watch them at all times but taking care of them while we're with them is a must. Teaching values is a must, we as parents are good and ok to gamble because we earn from our own.

But our kids, they're not good in being open onto this type of activity because we know what potential effect can get them.

Indeed, today's children understand better how to use multiple devices such as smartphones, tabs, or laptops and computers. But without parental supervision, they can still fall into the negative side of the internet and over time, they can become addicted. This happens when parents cannot provide supervision to their children and are more concerned with themselves. Indeed, parents do not provide supervision all the time. Still, parents can provide understanding to their children about the dangers of accessing the internet if they do not have self-control.

Actually, in this case I slightly disagree with you because even though children cannot be separated from gambling because when they get older they will definitely know it but teaching gambling is of course not a good thing because it is compared to teaching. providing knowledge and an overview of gambling is much better because it is clearly taught that this will also lead children in a more negative direction

I don't quite agree with you. We explain to children many things they should stay away from, even if they don't understand their dangers because of their age. For example, after parents tell a child about the dangers of electric current, he stays away from the electrical outlet. So if you do not want your child to gamble, you can educate him in this way. The child's behavior and passions depend more on his parents.

Parental guidance will certainly be able to prevent children from doing negative things and can keep them from trying.
But if parents cannot provide supervision to their children, sooner or later, children can be affected and in the end, they will try to play gambling too.
That is why we as parents should pay more attention to our children, especially when they use the internet on their cell phones.
The better we supervise our children, the more they will not try to play gambling because they know the risks.

No matter how hard you try to keep an eye on your children, they will still seek the unknown. You will not be able to be with them 27/7, which means at a time when you will not be around, they will be able to test what gambling is like from personal experience. So if you don't want your children to gamble you should explain to them the principle of casino games and tell them about the probabilities of certain events and why the casino always has an advantage over the player.

Also for the minor at the very young age it is an ideal thing to educate them already about dos and don't also at the same time is the lesson came in the house first if the minor see that the elder are playing gambling they might think that this is normal in the reality it is not, the guidance is came from the house, also today most of the children have their own gadgets or they borrow they gadgets from their parents which is connected mostly their cards and other form of payment that the child might makes a misclick and no one knows this could possible happen.

Sometimes there environment contributes on how they take action om this since evwn if there parents warned them about the possible risk still their are childrens will get involve on this kind of activities. That's why in some other case KYC should implemented on all casino so that they can verify the minors playing gambling at early stage of their life.

But at least providing more knowledge about gambling and the effects of gambling is definitely better than teaching children to gamble as directed by @Rufsilf in my previous quote.
Giving knowledge about what gambling is and what the worst effects are and how to avoid it or do it doesn't seem too much of a problem because indeed when the child grows up they also know how important such things are so they can distinguish what is good for him and what is not.
As for keeping them away from gambling, it is clear that this is very unlikely because when they grow up, especially when they are in a transition phase and always want to try something new, they will sooner or later find out, so that instead of them knowing for themselves and trying it firsthand, why don't we tell them? course from the start. As for the decision of the child to want to gamble or not when he grows up, it is his choice because we cannot also restrain children from doing something when they are adults.

Are you still actively gambling and your dad knows it?
I think if he finds out then he will warn you to stop because he has reason and experience to quit gambling. Even if you are not very passionate about gambling but the location around you may not completely stop gambling and you are still playing small slots in gambling. I think you should follow your father's decision from an early age to stop gambling, because it will be difficult to leave gambling addiction if you are used to gambling due to influences from around.

This I think is the dilemma of most parents in today's generation.
Because of the access of their kids to different gadgets.
You can't tell them not to use it because it is now mainly use for school purposes.
So what they can do is indeed educate them about gambling and the possible impact of this in their lives.
As you can't always look after them, you need to teach them about financial aspect or other related values to avoid this activity at early age.

Matured people do really knows most of the thing yet they are aware on what are the possible things that could happen specially in talks about gambling addiction.For those who are just young and already
get involved with these stuffs then its wise that you should get some consultation or permission or simply letting your parents know on what  you are dealing but we know that not all youngsters do really
tend to tell on what they are up to or dealing with into their parents which would really resulted into something like this.You cant really filter out or totally get rid of minors who could potentially
able to play gambling in todays era on which accessibility is almost reachable on a simple click.

It is important to guide them and with the AdSense, that's scattered everywhere. They might click those ads and will be directed to the casinos and out of their curiosity, they'll sign up.
Going with the scenario, if the casino asks them for validation and confirmation, those that have said that they might do some tricks for their parents to land that verification, it's very likely to happen.

With so many providers for advertising like AdSense you mention, this can provide revenue for the casino or website that advertises to be directed to that casino. If it can get clicks from visitors and visitors play in the casino, that means the casino can earn revenue. But indeed children in this era are smarter than their parents so they can use the internet well, even without parental guidance. This is a dilemma for parents.

LoL really? But I think that wasn't a mindset of a kid anymore (to make more money) and what they are going to do with the money? But, kids are usually contented already with some coins that their parents gave to them because they will only spend it in candies. It's already the initiative of an adult to make more money because they will be needing it for a much important purpose like paying bills, to buy food stocks, etc.

It's always possible for us to stop our kids if we think they are doing inappropriate things. They are just a kid anyway and we are bigger/stronger than them. They should be punished if they disobey us. That would be the time they will learn from their mistakes.

The truth of the cryptocurrency cycle is that it really doesn’t make any choices, so the crypto industry depends on the motive of every person who enters it, now if there are any minors who enter crypto gambling, as I said that is depends on the purpose of the individual. After all, there are many options that can have crypto to enter the world of crypto gambling without having to lead to asking for money from the parent.

I think that @AbuBhakar is not that active in gambling activities anymore because he said that he/she is not that excited anymore after he/she found out that gambling is not that easy thing to do and the risk was realized later after he/she experienced it.

The father's decision to quite these activities was already good enough to make an example that gambling is not for everyone as it could concern their money and their future if they're addicted. I guess he don't want to see his children that he's into gambling that's why he made a decision to stop it for good.

But it is too careless for a parent to let their children watch them gamble without explaining what they are doing or anything which leads to a misconception in a child.  Luckily @AbuBhakar doesn't find fun in gambling, he values money and the effort to produce it than indulging himself in a get rich quick mentality.

Making your children to be that aware on possible things or events that might happen if you do get involved too much in gambling will really be having that bad effect and we are talking about addiction.

If you parent is a gambler then its up to you whether you do let your children do see or knows that you've been dealing with it which it is most likely that they would really be following on the same
path but if you are mindful about the risk and possible problems then you would definitely stop for the sake of your children but not all ending up on the same decision but instead they do
still continue but neither giving out that advice since he does have the experience or would really be just letting them on what they do.

A parent’s guidance to children not to be tempted or to have the so -called curiosity, can be said to be a big thing that can scare the child, especially if it makes the child understand why it is not good to gamble? and what will be its effect when it is begun to be done. These are just a few of the things that I think are a good way for a parent for their children not to try to gamble.

AbuBhakar is likely to stop also along the way just like his dad did. In his case he has seen or witnessed some loses although he is able to increase his money but if in the future he start to record consistent loses, he may quit totally because gambling also has it way of frustrating you after you have made some profit, then you also start losing it back.

Such behavior of minors is rally a matter of concern. The generation of the present age can adapt to technology in a very short of time. As a result, many things have become much easier for them. But it is now negatively impacting which is why we see parental access they are secretly gambling with which is a big threat for the future. However, it is possible to bring it under control easily. Introducing bio metric systems as a security for casinos and gambling platforms and i believe that it will prevents such type of behaviors from the minors.

I don't think parents need to scare their children, but still give the understanding that gambling is not good for them, especially when they grow up. Parents can show examples from the life around us and if parents can give understanding to their children, I think they will stay away from gambling and will not get involved in it. But unfortunately, today's parents, especially young parents, are too busy with their work and rarely talk or discuss with their children, making them lose the figure of a father or mother. And in the end, they tend to follow their friends and do not remember their parents' advice.

However, in this case, the child also has a high curiosity and a strong desire to try, so that when he gives guidance on things like this, it can actually be a double-edged sword.
On the other hand, we are required to do this so that children know about this. On the other hand, telling things like this will also have an impact on the child's curiosity increasing.

I agree, bringing a child in a gambling house or in a casino is really risky because the child is looking at their father as an idol and majority, every child wanted to be like their father when they grow older. So bringing them in that kind of place will put a fallacious seed in their brain and thinks that gambling is fun and easy to do without understanding the risk. Sooner or later, that child will try what his father did just like @AbuBhakar did.

In this case, these children who are not provided with proper supervision may encounter gambling at an earlier age than others. But I don't know how bad or good it can be - perhaps having received a negative experience, they will draw the right conclusion and avoid gambling. Fortunately, children now have a wide range of activities.

Indeed, there are many other activities that can make them busy unless they really attached themselves into gambling, but it make sense that parents should give good advice beforehand in terms of these activities, gambling is not something that they can easily let go once they've got addicted, the worse things are coming if they are not being guided correctly.

Parents are the first hand protections to avoid those young minors to get engaged in their early days of life into gambling.

Parenting is a great major factor or role which do really need for it to be applied into their children because everything on this world could be potentially be engaged whether its a good one or bad one.Gambling isnt actually bad as long you do have the control but we know that young minds or to those who dont have experience doesnt able to control emotions and doesnt really have much in terms of finances thats why
it would really result into unfortunate events or happenings on the time that they had made themselves to be addicted. Minors are really that prone to these things not only limited to gambling but on other things
well on which it could really greatly affect them on the future if they wont get a good hold or control of it thats why parenting and guidance would be the key on making these youngster able to
avoid such condition but of course there are other things as well.

Parents can manage their children at a certain age. But it is not only due to the environment of the parents, the scope is of course much wider. If your kids are going out or hanging out, it's only a matter of time before they become associated with gambling. Then it is up to the DNA whether someone is sensitive to it. you can educate a child as much as you want, if he wants to gamble then he can't be stopped. And you don't like checking a child on his bank account. You can now also easily get bitcoins at a minor age unfortunately.

Exactly, governments and private companies are trying to solve this with regulations and technology exclusively, and while they could be part of the solution it is impossible they can solve the issue, so how to solve it? With good parenting of course, if parents take the time to talk with their children about the dangers of early gambling then they can easily discourage them to engage in the activity, and the best part is that this is way cheaper and it does not need for us to lose even more privacy in the process.

That's the purpose of Adsense and the same goes for any other advertising technique. But the problem is that it won't filter and it won't know how old the visitors are.
It is the reason why it is very possible for a teen to land and pay a visit to a casino because of these Adsense and its algorithm depending on the conversation they have and browsing history.

By the way, the danger of gambling lies in wait for teenagers even in ordinary games. For example, I think a lot of people have heard of the brutal loot box system in Diablo Immortal, where it's estimated that it would cost half a million dollars to fully level a character. Is this not madness? My daughter plays Genshin Impact, and there the loot box system also develops a gambling addiction in children.

It's not just licensed casino that are accessible to minors but also non licensed casinos which those casinos does not require KYC from their gamblers before they can withdraw, deposit or play. All you need to do is own some crypto and deposit it on their casino. Some casinos did require KYC but only if your account's activity is very suspicious or you are going to withdraw huge amount of money from their casino.

Parenting is the root of the issue on this case and should be the main concern of authorities instead of invasion of privacy. And when parents aren't educating and caring their children accordingly, there are already efficient non-invasive mechanisms to identify it and punish the parents, that is through school's members, psychologists and social workers. Moreover, when parents suspect their children are gambling, they will cut any income these kids have, if not because they care for their health, it will be because they don't want the children losing money which comes from their pockets and that must be used for essential purposes.

if my minor won a big some of money while gambling, i would be against ahaha

Maybe it will depend on what kind of detection to prove that they are exactly the parents or the children. In this case, as you said that many youngers are getting into gambling sites, using their parents identity, or even gambling on the Non-KYC platforms. And in this case, gambling platforms may not able to detect whether their users are children or not.
So far, actually, the one that can protect is ourself itself and also our parents themselves. If we are a gambler, we must know what kind of gambler we are. We must also be able to manage and control our gambling activities, including how much money we spend on gambling.
And if this related tominor or children, it is actually how the parents pay attention on their children itself. I know that it may not be able to watch our kids 24 hours daily. Butat least, we must know what is doing by our kids, what n history and also their phones or computer devices. We must check it regularly.

With that, I think the only thing that I see that can be a solution is a parents supervision, there's nothing we can do about that. They can access different website anywhere and everywhere. Here in my country many minors are getting addicted to it, because their parents are busy enough to make money.

Yes only the parents are the one near the kids beside they have the most hours in contact and presence with their children.  Besides it is always a parents responsibility to guide their children to the right path.  So for gambling protection I think the most responsibility should be given to the parents.

They should do that which seems to be a successful process to drastically reduce minors from using gambling websites, but parents have a role in this too, I think they should monitor their kids internet usage which a lot of people find it as a invasion of their privacy but I disagree, they won't get away if they accessed something they shouldn't have, and if the parents know how to approach their kids to talk them out of it, we won't have a lot of minors accessing inappropriate websites.

Its our responsibility as guardians or parent of our kids on where guiding them on the right path even though you cant monitor them whole day but at least you had shared up and tell them about the
basic idea and awareness on what gambling could possibly give thats why it do really give that crucial role and not something to be ignored of.
You are the ones who would really be needing to guide off your children on the right path.It isnt really bad to gamble but everything should really be in control
and discipline since it do talks finances.

For those children, I think it might not be that bad but if they don't have a variety of activities, gambling can give a negative experience or desire to continue gambling. Moreover, if they reach adulthood, lack of parental supervision can make them fall deeper and in the end, children who grow up can become addicted to gambling. It is why parental supervision is really needed for the children so they do not do the wrong thing.

They can simply use an advanced KYC verification process just like binance and other crypto exchanges where we have to enter an OTP on a paper and click a selfie with it.
How will the minor children be able to tackle this issue since the OTP changes frequently.
The OTP will expire by the time they do something to pass through this verification method.

These measures do not seem to me to be able to actually protect minors from engaging in gambling. The issue is primarily educational, if these minors are able to use their parents identities and also use money through electronic payment cards. The law will not be able to limit these practices, even partially.
The issue relates mainly to the scope of freedom granted by parents to their children.
In this case, the government can intensify awareness campaigns. This will be more effective in my opinion .

For some reason I think it sounds ominous  ;D Supervision is important, but I do not welcome excesses, for example, in Belgium and the Netherlands, the Genshin Impact game was not released at all, because according to local legislation, loot boxes are equated with gambling (or so heavily regulated that it was easier for the publisher to ignore these countries). As a result, all supervision comes down to the fact that people are forbidden something.

Well, law can not put his hand everywhere, in some case parents should help them to apply rules with child. The example that you've made wants that parent help son to gamble, and this isn't absolutely a good thing.

About that, I can say that Crypto industry gambling should do some efforts, considering that many casino doesn't ask KYC, you can have bitcoin easily today, and so, there are many risks about child that.

I highly agree the government should intensify awareness campaigns, conduct regular seminars at every education level, and tackle gambling and gambling addiction intensively.  I also believe kids'  environment plays a huge part in how they develop their view on gambling so parents and adults must always guide their younger relatives and friends on gambling issues.


Crypto gambling industries should always follow government guidelines even though their options in preventing kids on their platform are very limited.

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