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This is a rematch between two 4-division champions, WBO champion Kazuto Ioka defending against its former holder and nemesis, Donnie Nietes. The first match happened more 3 years ago in Macau for then vacant WBO super flyweight strap. Though Donnie Nietes won clearly, the scorecards made it a split decision. Donnie Nietes then became inactive and many thought he was actually retired because he was already 37 years old that time. The WBO decided to declare the belt vacant. Kazuto Ioka managed to win the belt and is holding it strong with 4 successful defenses.

The difference in this rematch is that 33-year old Ioka is now the defending champion. Nietes is now 40 years of age. And Ioka will defend his belt in his home turf in Japan.

Kazuto Ioka win-loss record: 28-2-15 KOs
Donnie Nietes win-loss record: 43-1-23 KOs

So the last breed of those Filipino champions that they have right now. Donaire is already out and could retire and Donnie might be the next one. Although he was shadow by his compatriot, but he is one of those solid PH champions. Anyhow, at 40 years old, let's see, Ioka is not younger as well, but obviously less wear and tear and it will be held in his hometown, so it might be very tough for Donnie. So I would say, Ioka by split decision in a very close fight.

Nice, yeah, Nietes defeated Ioka in 2018, and then he vacated but he says he is eager to reclaim this title. He was inactive, but in the last year, he beat Carillo via UD and then SD against Jimenez.

And for the record, 
NIETES BREAKS ELORDE'S RECORD AS PH LONGEST REIGNING WORLD CHAMP. (http://philboxing.com/news/story-102641.html)

And we can say it that hopefully he can regain his belt back, but at 40 years old, time is running out. And I'm expecting that he will be in the HOF in the future.

It's clear that Nietes was not in his prime anymore but he's still the one of the mightiest boxer in his generation. The inactivity was because of the pandemic I suppose, but if he wants this fight, I firmly believe if he do then he can still fight and still dangerous in the ring.

From Manny Pacquiao retirement and then  Nonito Donaire , another Filipino champion  Donie "Ahas" Nietes  is in the line of also retiring , as He is already in His 40's and soon maybe will be giving His fight away for resting.

I will be looking for Nietes Win here as Ioka isn't Inoue and maybe can be taken by Donnie in this fight.

Waiting for the Odds to Put my bet.

It's near. I want to see this. A good story of rivalry. One wants to cement that he is the winner of that controversial unanimous decision and the other looking for a big bang and win the title back before his retirement. That sure is an exciting match.
According to Donnie, he had been training since February after he received the message that the fight is on. He will definitely put his A-game here and a best ending should be a knockout to erase all the doubts.

Japan always get the favor on hosting the match for there champions while Philippines boxer keeps accepting that just to make it happened although I don’t have any idea on how this choosing of venue works but I guess it depends on champion or the promoter preference on where will be more profitable to launch.

The age gap is very huge while Ioka already gain much experience compared to there last fight. Even though I want to support Nietes but I think this match will gonna be same story to Donaire vs Inoue. I don’t want to get high hope for this kind of match.

Yup, that first fight was pretty close, that jab of Nietes really made a difference in the judge's decision. That was an amazing win by the former ALA pug considering that fight was held in Japan if i'm not mistaken, as we all know that Japan had a reputation of protecting their homeboys but that was not switch on in that fight lol.

Again, this rematch's output would be different from the first i think, because of age factor. Nietes was inactive for so many months due to pandemic and their stable was defunct so i think this might be it for Nietes, his last fight or he may be made a stepping stone for upcoming prospect.

Nietes still has it, he is one technical fighter who loves to break down his opponent, look for weaknesses and then go for it, he doesn't look for a knockout right away but waits for the right time to do it, for me he is a perfect technical fighter, he is not a good fighter for nothing that kind of style made him the Philippine's longest champion and I believe Nietes will prevail against Ioka again, he has already shown on his last two fights that he still has all his skills.

I think it would be different this time now as Nietes aged since the last fight. However, he is worthy on this rematch as some boxing fans tagged it as a controversial lost for Ioka. Though it was a close fight, but Nietes clearly has landed a more heavier and clean punches than Ioka on that fight.
Now would be the perfect time to correct the controversies between their 1st match up.

This one is good, we don't have a champion in the bantamweight division anymore but let's hope Nietes still got this.

He has been consistently defending his belt but I don't know if his age will not affect his performance, let's just hope the best for him and hope that he will win the fight.

Who is the favorite in this fight? May I know.

Not sure who is going to be the favorite in this fight, but I reckon it might be the Japanese, because (1) he is the champion (2) Nietes is 40 years old and not that active.

Anyhow, I think he can still fight, he is one of the best champion that the Philippines had, just doesn't have the exposure in the US and obviously the weight class. Looking forward to watch his fight, (but I wouldn't bet).

A win is a win though even if it's controversial. And I think after that fight, maybe Nietes set his mind on retirement that's why he gave up the belt. But now, since the pandemic is over, he might want to get back his old crown and prove that he can still fight and it's going to be a rematch. Yes, this is a perfect time for both, Nietes to get back the crown and then Ioka to get his revenge win.

7-1 in the voting.

I'm sure most of the voters for Nietes are Filipino. I have not made research regarding Ioka, I'm gonna be biased as I'm supporting Nietes to win, though honestly I believe he is not an interesting fighter but I believe bringing glory to our country is enough for us to continuesly support him.

I agree with that, and this fight will also be held in Japan, so it's a home court advantage of Ioka, and that's the reason why I like to bet on Nietes because he will be an underdog and that means a very attractive odds.

This is also a good closure to their last controversial fight because if Nietes could defeat Ioka again then there's no question about who are much stronger than them and those doubts about his past wins against Ioka will be erased. Also its perfect time for Ioka to prove that he's much stronger than Nietes.

Age will only come in based on a fighter's last fight so far based on his two fights there's no showing of age, Nietes is a different breed of fighter he is good at counterpunching both fighters knows each other very well, and they have given us a very good fight in their first and last fight could go either way, I'm sure there will be a lot of adjustment on both fighters so it's going to be a very exciting match and I'm betting Nietes to win the match.

Good to see the rematch between this two, and it's been a while since we heard news about Nietes though its just a half a year since his last drat match against Jimenez. Well, the age might matter here but since Nietes already won against Ioka, most probably he still have a good advantage here. Less than two weeks from now we will witness again another Filipino boxer and I do hope that he can get this belt again, and lift up the pride of Filipino boxer again, I will support Nietes here. Where's the good odds for this match up?

Donnie Nietes is one of the PH great boxers in the Bantamweight division. What do you think guys, is this might be his last fight regardless of the result? Time is catching up to him and at 40 years of age, he is now showing signs of slowing down although he still won a title match after being inactive for over 2 years.

Kazuto Ioka will surely want his revenge and quite an advantage for him is that the fight will be held in his home country. He actively fights year by year since he lost to Nietes in 2018 and never lost yet in his last 5 matches. This will be a good title defense for him.

Can't speculate on that but that might have higher chance if somehow he's defeated compare to when he win this fight. Who knows he's still chasing that record to be one of the PH longests world champ at an old age, we may never know. I think he's still good to be at the ring but we can judge that when the fight comes against Ioka, if he can still dominate the ring.

Another vote for Donnie Nietes. He is not anymore a young guy but I'm sure he still has the power to defeat his opponent.

At the age of 40 years old, he has a record of 43 wins with only 1 defeat, so I believe that's a decent record and he can win.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

Good luck, I hope Nietes will be listed as an underdog.

I have waited to see Kazuto Ioka performance when he expected to face Jerwin Ancajas, but it's cancelled due to Ioka's home (Japan) is strict about the new wave of Covid 19. So Martinez is replacing Ioka to fight against Ancajas, however Ancajas lose the fight. If Ioka was fight against Ancajas, I'm sure he will win and already have 2 belts.

Now Ioka need to face against Nietes who have beat him on 2018, personally I think Ioka have enough skills after 3 years to prove he's deserve to have WBO belt. However even though Nietes already old, but he still have impressed record so far. In this fight, I will bet for Ioka via decision.

I think it's a great meeting if Kazuto Ioka vs. Donnie Nietes, can meet in Tokyo next month, for the WBO title, this meeting I think will make a new story for Nietes in his boxing career this year, if he can beat Ioka.

The question in my mind, what makes Kazuto Ioka and Nietes, want to box again, is it a direct challenge from Nietes or vice versa a challenging Ioka, even so I think this will be a new history for both of them.

I saw, live interview by Nietes, looks like he is really excited to beat Ioka and wants to win the boxing title, this is interesting to watch and bet on.

Nietes is not anymore a title holder while Kazuto Ioka is currently the WBO super flyweight champion
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/483786

This should be a great fight, Nietes who had more experience over a younger champion should win the fight.
33 years old vs 40 years old, I hope age doesn't matter in this fight as I only see a few fighters with at least 40 years of age succeeded in a big fight.

Their last fight was so exciting the kind of fight that deserves a rematch, and so we have a rematch between the two, the first match could go either way, and that's what I'm also seeing in this match, the one who prepared the most will likely win the match, it will go out to who wants it more, Ioka who is hungry for revenge, or Nietes who wants to prove that he still has it and can still win a title.

Nietes is too old for this. He has the experience but he doesn't have the stamina and the vigor of a 33-yr old. I know he's a great boxer, but he's not on the ranks of Pacquiao who can still carry himself extremely well despite being 40 years of age. Perhaps Donnie can still put up some fight in him, but to win in a convincing fashion—or even just win—would be extremely hard for Nietes unless Ioka made some slip up which will cost him this bout.

Donnie AHAS Nietes an old veteran boxer who will fight against kazuto loka, another great boxer. For this match up I want to put my bet in nietes which still I believe that he can win even of his age. That record he have is the proof that he is still a monster. even though kazuto is not just an easy one but for sure Donnie Nietes can do very good much and end up with a victory. And I do hope that he win unlike donaire and Pacquiao in their last fight.

It's around 36 years old where Donnie Nietes beat up a prime Kazuto Ioka at the age of 29. It means even at that age gap, Nietes can still pull up a win against a much younger opponent. I don't see any difference in terms of performance between a 36 years old and 40 years old.

What I'm more concerned is not the age but the activity of both boxers. Their strength improves over time as long as they continue to fight in the ring. Since Nietes still comes back on a good shape and established wins after being inactive, I think he can still be deadly on this fight. However, Ioka is with his fellow Japanese people that might boost his confidence and eagerness to get his revenge.

There’s a home court advantage here and a huge challenge for Nietes to get the title back to him. Ioka was able to defend the belt multiple times, and now its time for Nietes to put work on this. Age still not a matter here, their skills are and if Nietes are confident with this one, there’s still a huge chance for him to win here. This is a good rematch, I’m looking for the odds now and I think this is still good for Nietes.

Nietes won against Ioka before, he can do that again because I believe on a Filipino boxer and this is not a biased statement, I just want to state the fact here. Nietes was considered as one of the good boxer, his track record is amazing and even on that age, I'm sure he can still deliver a good match here. Ioka should not be more complacent here, he should be more eager to get his revenge while Nietes needs to be more focus as well. This is an exciting match, few more days and we will witness them again.

I might disagree as he still shows fierce at the age of 39 even being sidelined for 2 years.

Being inactive on that period should give a boxer a slow performance but that's not what happened. That's the reason why I can't consider age as his disadvantage the same with Donaire that still can put up a great performance.

Although I see Ioka will be the aggressive here as he wants a bounce back win against Nietes, it doesn't mean that the old Nietes won't able to stand for long. Let's wait on the day of the fight, much better, to see if age really a disadvantage for Nietes.

There's a 95% percent probability that Nietes will be listed as an underdog in this fight if the odds comes out due to age difference.

Nietes was one of those champion boxers that used to train in our hometown, i saw/followed his career and i can say that age have really affected his performance as he slowed a bit in his last fight though he still won that one but this rematch i doubt he can end up victorious.

One thing about Nietes is that when no one expected him to win but in the end, he emerged victorious lol.

Well, this is like the other match that we've seen yet was defeated.

Yeah, likely that Nietes will be the underdog in this match and he's against the champion so, the past stats won't have a thing on it. Because what matters is whoever is the holder of the title right now. Mostly, we're going for Nietes in this match and as he wants to reclaim the title, good luck to him and hopefully he gets it back.

Yeah, he is old, and I watch his last fight, he is slowed too much.  I think the main factor here will be age factor just like Donaire.


I respect your belief but we cannot remove the fact that age greatly affects an athlete's performance.  I watch his last fight and his punch recovery after he throws is very slow which leaves him open for possible counters and that is very devastating for a boxer if exploited.
I am rooting for Nietes in this fight because he is one of my favorite until he became inactive.

their preparation would be a big factor on how they will perform inside the ring. yes, age may be a considerable factor here but how active was he in the past couple of years? ioka is younger and had recent fights. but as i said, their prep will be a big factor here. but more then likely, bookies will favor ioka when it comes to odds. nietes will come as underdog in this match.

Although Ioka were defeated last time, Nietes will be the underdog on their rematch because of age? I think there's something wrong with the bookies if that's the factor they are seeing. Everything is now depend on boxer's age rather than overall performance. I'm now more excited to see Nietes winning this fight, maybe much better if via TKO.

I want to see Nietes defeating Ioka infront of his Japanese countrymen. That's a big upset and that will be a great win for our PH representative.

I thought that Nietes is done because of his age? Now he comes back to fight a champion? He really has some balls. But yeah why not, he defeated Ioka before although it might have the Ioka has improved a lot because he has defended the belt so many times. But Nietes might be thinking that he can defeat him again and target him to reclaim his old belt. No odds yet but for sure Nietes will be the underdog again, (is he the underdog on their first fight though?).

Good to see the old champion is back, he is active last year though, with two fights in 2021. So this rematch not coming from a long layoff for Donnie. In fact, maybe those two is just a gauging fights for him to see if he can still perform at high level or at least gave a good fight. And it seems he did as he won and still rated as number 4. Ioka is very good though, very rugged fighter so it's going to be very hard and it might go to the judges scorecard and hopefully Nietes can duplicate his first win.

Also, a reason to end it in a convincing manner.
The UD won by Nietes in their first fight was filled with doubts and now he will be up against the same opponent on his own stage and he doesn't want this to end in a UD as it may also happen to him. A TKO is a must.
The key to winning will be ending the fight as soon as possible. He is 40 and he might not have the stamina to go for long rounds. Look for a chance to throw a haymaker and finish it early.

Age in boxing is synonymous with performance, i mean 40 years old in boxing is too old and we expect the performance of that boxer to diminish if he reached that age even the great ones like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

If we see an upset, it might be because Ioka did not perform what is expected of him not because of the brilliance of Donnie Nietes, just my thought.

So this is already a rematch?

Sorry, but who wins the first fight? Honestly, I don't know that it's already a rematch, but regardless on who wins the first fight, I think I will still bet on Nietes to win. By the way, do we have the betting odds already on this fight?

It's a rematch, you can see the highlight of the first fight in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAQpCGOC0k4

In that fight, Nietes won, so let's see if  Kazuto Ioka will be able to bounce back from that loss.

Not sure if Donaire or Donnie will be the first one to hang-up his gloves but I'm also thinking that this might be the latter's last fight. Considering his age, we can somehow say that he's already weary enough to have some more future fights but in this fight, I'm going with my compatriot and that's Donnie "Ahas" Nietes. This is a rematch and Donnie managed to won by a UD last 2018 at Macau, so I bet Donnie is already familiar with what could Ioka could bring.

I  agree and the speed of Nietes greatly slowed down probably due to the age factor but as I watch Ioka's last fight, he isn't that fast and explosive so probably the punching and movement speed won't be the concern here.  I believe this fight will depend on how well the boxers condition themselves.  This might end in another unanimous decision in favor who ever lands the most volume of punches.

I follow you with your opinion, I also see the same maybe because of age Nietes will not be the same as he was but with the discipline and proper trainings before this rematch, the chance of him winning again is very possible, he and his camp though needs to review every fights that Ioka have and see what particular edge if there's some part that they can still gain the advantage.

Though, home-crowd may affect Ioka's performance and he can be more aggressive, which Nietes needs to anticipate and follow in the

right strategy to counter Ioka's attempts.

That is the first sigh though, when fighters lost their speed and then their punch resistance. We have seen this in Manny Pacquiao and now Nonito.

Anyhow, let's see the performance of Donnie here, the thing is this is a rematch, he has the blueprint how to beat the Japanese so he might used that same strategy and then maybe protect his chin better than the first fight.

The only advantage of Ioka is the homecourt advantage. Nietes knows how to play with this guy. Age is not a factor.

The factor is that Ioka is active on the ring. That's his advantage over Nietes that even though he won his last year's fight, he still rested for 24 months prior to that. But I hope that Nietes last fight wakes up his usual form and does some regular training since then.

I just don't know why the fight ends up in Japan. It seems biased.

Filipino though love to fight in Japan, or at least love to travel and willing to fight Ioka on his home court. If if my memory serves me right, there are Japanese promoters who handles Filipino as well. So there is a connection between the two countries and Japanese are not as hostile as let's say when you fight Mexicans in their home soil or any countries in South or Central America.

Their last fight is in Macau, maybe you can call it a neutral ground.

Even if Ioka has the home court advantage, I don't think that will be big factor on this match.
Japanese have good reputation when it comes to honesty, so I don't worry about being cheated here.
What they need to worry about is how they can have good training and be well-prepared for this fight.
Maybe, Japan has better conditions for this fight over the Philippines situation.

After some thought especially the place of the event, why am I thinking that Nietes is more likely to lose if ever the fight goes to score card?  I don't know but I have a biased feeling that Japanese judges would declare their boxer winner regardless of the ring performance.  So I think for Nietes to get the title, he needs to floor the champion or else there is a huge possibility that Nietes will lose the fight.

I didn't say that it was applied to all. I'm specifically just pointing that age factor to Nietes and not to everyone.

As you have mentioned, he seemed slow in his last fight but he still WON right? He was 39 years old at that time. It means even after resting for the ring for years, he still managed to get a win. He can still get to his shape even inactive.

Fighting against Ioka this time, he won't come from inactivity since he has already fought twice. For sure, his training is now regular since he came back in action making his body well-prepared again to fight.

Depends on situation because if we see Nietes knock off his opponent well maybe the judges will  struggle to find some loophole to make their favored fighter to win so Nietes need to score more solid punches or much better score a good K.O to seal this fight. But I'm confident that Nietes will get this match because seeing how good and still his in good shape we can say that he's still have advantage to take the win on their match up.

Nietes though is not known to be a knockout artist, even at his prime,  he will put a clinical display that's why he was able to stay as the champion for a long time. It's his technical skills that will beat the opponent, by just frustrating them and maybe majority quit before the final bell because he is that good. OF course, we wanted to see a highlight knock out agains the champion. But if that is not achieved, perhaps he can win in the judges scorecard with this boxing skills.

He needs to fight the same way with a calm and confident strategy. He knows and understands that aggressiveness can bring his opponent down. He will wait for that kind of mistake that Ioka will attempt. I still believe that even in his age, he still has that capability to stand still and make sure that he will have to accomplish and try winning this fight again.

I also think about bias judging if the fight will show close. Nietes needs to consider it and not to allow that to happen.

Ioka though might have improved since they last fought, so a lot of adjustments of Nietes during the fight. The good thing is that he is already a savvy veteran that he knows how and when to adapt. So maybe chess match in the beginning, but if Nietes see some opening, then he will go to the body and face first combo. That's how he has played and stayed in this game, first attack the body to break them down. And see how it will affect his opponents later and make that adjustment.

Japan's training are more advanced but we should not doubt Pilipino boxers because most of them also trained abroad and that is a big factor for their success. Nietes might not be active for quiet some time but I know he can still be a good fighter and we will see that soon. Home court can still boost your confidence and that is the advantage of Ioka here, hopefully Nietes will not be intimidated and will only focus on his goal which is to get the belt back on his belly.

I don't believe that the Philippines will be left behind when it comes to the right training, we have a lot of boxers and what makes our Filipino boxers great is their motivation to change their lives if they will become a world champions. Also, I think we have enough tools to train our boxers to become a world-class boxer, if Manny has achieve a huge success in boxing, then I think that is not impossible for others to achieve as well.

It's really rare to see Nietes having a knockout on his opponents but in-terms of solid punches, I have no doubt that Ahas can do that job just like what he did back then on their first fight. I'm still be comfortable that he can still get a win on this rematch because if Ioka has improved then it's also safe to say that Ahas has also improved since their last face-off, and for that, I'd still bet on him to win this time.

it is 72% against 27% favoring Donnie Nietes 11 .

I assume that even in His older age still People are aiming and trusting Him to win this fight?

but the sad part here is if that he losses this one , maybe he will also retire like the 2 famous Filipino Boxer that face defeat and decide for retirement.

Retiring is going to be an option for Nietes IF he losses, which I don't thin he will. If you take a look at his last fight against Reveco last year, he's still looking sharp and mixes his punch very well. Nietes is a smart boxer and an underrated one. He fought Ioka once and that gave him the edge to win the fight, and that explains the odds as well.
And that also explains why people/bettors are trusting him 100%. Being strong and smart at the same time is a formidable force.
For the records as well, he's the longest reigning Filipino world champ boxer.

I still trust him, he might be old but he is very consistent, so there's no reason to fear that we might lose our bet here, besides, if in case he lose, I'm sure it will be a hard fought and Ioka will not easily win.


We don't know his plan, but if he will retire, that's okay because he has already brought honor to our country by winning fights and becoming a world champion. Also, if he wins, he can still think of retirement because at age 40, I think he should start enjoying his life already after boxing.

In reality this is an uphill battle for Nietes. His last performance was not the same Nietes we used to see during his prime years. With the lost of Rene Cuarto last week, it leaves Mark Magsayo as the only remaining Filipino champion. Magsayo is in a 50/50 fight in few days just short before Nietes' fight in Japan. Maybe it will add some motivation on Nietes. And that he needs to step up again to provide his country another world champion.   

I bet Nietes is already confident enough because I know he wanted to win because this rematch may be his last fight before he decides to hang-up his gloves, Nietes can still afford to dance in the ring and with Kazuto Ioka as his foe, and I seriously think that Nietes can still do good as he knows what's the strength and weaknesses of Ioka. Both of them have probably played and watched various types about their old fight.

True! He won't be the longest-reigning Filipino world champion if he's not that good, he's just underrated because back in his prime, Pacquiao and Donaire are more known than him. He may be aging but his experience and IQ in the ring will speak for him in the ring, particularly this time that he had already faced Ioka few years back and I also don't think that Ioka will have the advantage in this upcoming fight.

If we do look on Donnie Nietes stats.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

43-1-6

Out of 43 wins it does have 23 KO's.Yes, he might lack in power but sustaining on having 1 loss out of 43 wins then this is something
that cant really be ignored.Its true that he might that not getting too much attention because of pacquiao and donaire
but this guy is already 40 which retirement would really be next in line whether he do win or loss this one.

There's no reason to be anxious because Nietes may not knock Ioka out (Nietes also don't have pretty KO ratio) but it's already safe to say that he will give his best when it comes to landing solid punches that will give him pretty scores compared to Ioka. The latter is much younger but their gap is not that far and this is a rematch so Nietes already know Ioka's sleeve and what he could bring this time. Nietes have also prepared well considering his age but his still rip without traces that he's already 40 years old.

7 years age gap considering that Ioka is 33 years old  which i could say that it does have some effect though but we know that Nietes had beaten him up on their first fight but somewhat does have
that split decision but still a win and that was on year 2018 which is 4 years ago. Did Ioka made out some changes? For sure he must but Nietes should really be still careful because he's not young
anymore even though he do give out solid punches but not that powerful. They would be surely fighting in terms of points? I dont see any knockouts on here and would still assume
out that it would be most likely in the same on their first fight.

True, we all know that it's going to be very tough for Nietes. Maybe he has that in mind, to keep at least one Filipino champion if he wins against the Japanese.

The thing is that he has beaten Ioka before and that might be a good reason for him even at age 40 to think that he can still do it and get the title back. So we will see, the old dogs of Filipino boxing  is now retired (Pacquiao, Donaire), and he is the only one remaining.

Or the opposite may happen, Ioka will get his "revenge" over Nietes.
But in any case, we hope to see a toe-to-toe fight and not a runaway one.
Filipinos are known inside the boxing ring, so let's see if Nietes can give such honor to his fellow Filipinos.
And that's right, Magsayo is also one of the Filipino boxers to watch out for, now that Pacquiao or Donaire is out.

That thing should not always be associated with cheating. Why are you involving the cheating right away?

That's not the issue but obviously, playing in the home arena will give a boost of confidence to the home boxer and somehow distracts the visiting opponent. You also have to remember that Ioka successfully defends his title multiple times before this match against Nietes making him a much-improved boxer, especially in front of his fellow countrymen.

Aside from that, it's a big factor too since Nietes is now catching the father time. If only Nietes is still in his prime, I might not consider the homecourt as an advantage to Ioka as for a prime boxer, they can manage the distraction even if the crowd is against them.

Good decision to retire if Nietes will lose this one. After all his boxing career will be cemented on PH history and possibly, a future Hall of Famer. I even think he's already done in boxing after being not active in the ring for long. Don't know what came up to his mind and decided to return and his comeback was impressive as that was all a win for him.

If Nietes will lose here, I don't think that's because of age but Ioka just improved over time. The feeling of getting revenge also plays a big role as that will boost their determination to win especially since Ioka is in Japan and that's good timing to get that revenge.

About just a week to go, we will now see them clashing at each other.

Yes, he has cemented his legacy already, the longest Filipino champion and he could also be a future HOF. If he loses then there is nothing to proved, he had done everything. Maybe he could be a good trainer because he has been there.

And hopefully, he has save enough money for his family. He didn't get that huge amount as compare to his compatriot, Pacquiao and Donaire. So it will be good if he has manage his finances well as he is nearing his retirement.

Nothing to be ashamed if he hang his gloves if he losses this one. Yes, that record alone is hard to break and that could stand still as the record for Filipino boxers for a long time.

I'm not sure if we can call it trust, but we believed that he may have his last performance and after this one, he may have to evaluate, with him and his family if he wanted to continue or not.

a champ in 4 division is not easy to achieved. though his technique is impressive, most of his fights are boring specially when it ends in decisions. he is named "ahas" because he used to move sideways to be behind his opponent. we don't see him doing this anymore. his age must have been a reason which the rematch may likely end differently this time against the younger Kazuto. i watched the previous fight, looks very even.

Both fighters want to prove something here Ioka that he is the new real champion and he wants to prove it by taking it away from Nietes, and Nietes to prove that he still has it, the first match is controversial this fight is to resolve who really wins in their first match, there's also a possibility of a trilogy, depending on who will win and the quality of fight that they are going to give to the boxing community.

It seems like this year isn't for Filipinos but it's a good thing that there are still champions who are raising their flag. Nietes has been one of the strongest boxers in the Philippines and despite his age, I guess he would create a strong impact on the ring before he retires. He's still eager to win back the belt after being inactive. I guess he will be a big challenge for loka again.

Old but gold in their age now it's nice to see a fight between these two old veteran fighters, as we all know that kazuto Loka will defend his belt against the Filipino boxer Donnie Ahad Neites a watch for the vacant position from their division. as I fell in this fight it's a big advantage for Loka as he has a belt that he needs to protect with. But in the side of Donnie has nietes he want to be a winner of this fight and claim the belt.

We will expect that he will try his best to win this fight, Not sure about his speed as even legendary Pacman admits that only the mind can do things, but the body is no longer synching with what he wanted to do, cramps and other signs of aging might trigger while inside the ring, Young Ioka will be fighting in front of his home crowd which gives him more confidence to attack, It's Nietes strategy to hold on his ground and fight back solidly, he's not a KO orchestrator but he got the patience that might still give him the upper hand.

Let see if how he will execute and try to throw more score punches and avoid losing his feet and be knocked down by Ioka.

Same here, Donnie Nietes might be weary but he can still give a good fight against Ioka and I'm quite sure that he can still handle the latter well as he already proved himself and won in their first face-off. Also, their age gap is not that far but let's say that he will be declared defeat this time, I'm certain that Ioka won't have an easy fight.

In my view, I really think that this will be Nietes's last fight before he decides to hang his gloves. He too knows his boundaries and a professional boxer's body in their 40's is not that young anymore.

He is actually a decent boxer with 23 knockout results over 43 wins, his only loss came from a boxer named Angky Angkotta way back in 2004 in Jakarta but that was not a bad loss either because it was a split-decision. After that, he never tasted loss again and surely that loss made him a far better boxer than he is in the year 2004. He is good but his timing was unfortunate because Donaire and Pacquiao were also reigning at the industry that time.

Whenever you do make yourself or plans to be popular then you should really strive to be more better on the current reigning via getting more belts on different divisions which MP do able to attain o reach on thats why its not surprising that boxing fans would really able to recognize such achievement specially into its fellow country mean which been proud of.I do agree that he's somewhat that unlucky that he had been fighting or building up his career on the time these two are being recognized.It would really be surely cover you up or you wont really be getting any attention
or does have less compared into those two but in overall career performance and numbers then just like what others said that it wasnt really a bad run if ever he would decide
to retire.

I guess for Filipino boxing fans his name is quiet familiar. But for casual fans, it will still be Manny Pacquiao and then Donaire. And that time, there are a lot of PH champions, who will forget Hawaiian Punch Brian Villoria?

And in that lost, Angky was over the limit, so it's not a fair fight.

Anyhow, his names should have been cemented in Filipino boxing already, and so with the other great boxers of his generation. And this winning this fight will be something extra for the great Nietes.

Well, if Ioka managed to have some changes for improvement then I'm also sure that Nietes have also done some improvement for himself. It's been almost 4 years since these two boxers have faced in the same ring, this could be a revenge for Ioka to settle the score if he can pull a win and this could also be for Nietes to settle a 2-0 bout. Nevertheless, both of them will come prepared on the day of their fight and it will be a toe-toe-toe fight for sure.

I think the reason why he isn't as popular as Manny and Nonito is the quality of his opponent.  Boxing popularity isn't about boxing statistics only.  Donaire and Pacquiao face tough opponents not to say many of them are quite popular too.  I think we can blame Nietes promoter for that.

Anyway, it looks like another legendary Filipino boxer is about to hang his gloves, it sad to think that there isn't much younger boxer that can continue our legendary boxers legacy.  It feels like our boxing sports continue to decline after the era of Pacquiao , Donaire, Nietez.


Brian Villoria's fame easily decline, I guess his most famous wins is just a fluke though.  Looking at his statistics, all his winnings are coming from not-so-good stats boxers, and his losses is when he met a quality one.

For the boxing fans in the whole world, of course Donnie Nietes does not really ring a bell into their ears but for the boxing fans in the Philippines, I'm certain that Nietes is well supported and not a sort of an underrated boxer. And he will be viewed as a champion with the likes of Donaire and Pacquiao, it's just Pacquiao was really on different league, no one could argue that.

In terms of achievements then yes both Donaire and Pacquiao are on the higher level but with pinoy fans the credits are always for the boxers who bring pride to the country and Nietes is always part of that pride, he's well recognized by the fans and the name already established accompanied by his accomplishments inside the ring.

Again, he will be supported even in his possible last ride. Pinoy fans will keep risking their money t bet for this guy.

I think it's already guaranteed that Donnie Nietes will be soon established as future Hall of Famer.

There's no way he won't be listed on that although it might take around a decade before being listed there.

Moving forward, regardless if Nietes is the underdog here, the majority of PH community obviously will disregard any technical analysis in favor of Ioka and will just focus and biased supporting Nietes. It's not the first time that PH bet is underdog.

Anyways, what's the speculative odds or official odds, if available, for this fight? Should be out now for fiat sportsbook.

I agree. He is guaranteed in the Hall of Fame soon. 4 division champion, 1 time lineal Ring magazine champion (probably two, not sure) and a former top 10 in the Ring's pound for pound list. That's should be more than enough.


Just a few hours ago, the last Filipino world boxing champion Mark Magsayo was out-boxed by another undefeated and now 2 division champion Rey Vargas. Magsayo tried to rally in the late rounds, scoring a knockdown and hurt Vargas several times but failed to finish the Mexican. This would be the first time that the Philippines do not have a world boxing champion in around 2 decades I guess? Hopefully this would give Nietes a wake-up call to step up and bring back his old self in his fight with Ioka in Japan.

I also cannot find an odds of this fight although I believe Ioka should be the favorite here. Probably 2.5 to 3.0 for Nietes.

That is really true and Donnie Nietes deserves to get the credits and support he deserved because he's one of those few Philippine boxers who became a champion and successfully made a name for the Philippines, but unfortunately, there are still some people who don't even know who is Donnie "Ahas" Nietes and what he did for the country.

This time for sure, he will get known because he will be challenging Ioka for the WBO title especially if he will manage to steal the title from Ioka and will become the latest and remaining Pinoy title holder.

Honestly, I didn't some thought that Magsayo would literally be having a hard time in the fight earlier against Vargas because I know for sure that Magsayo and Freddie Roach tackled all the possible scenario including what technique needed to get near at Vargas as the Mexican boxer had the height as well as the reach advantage. It turns out that Magsayo really struggled in the fight earlier, he indeed bounced back and knocked down the Mexican boxer but the score was already far to chase.

As for Ioka-Nietes fight, I also believed that Ioka will be a slight favorite.

Magsayo wastes so much punches by head hunting.  He is so hooked on getting a KO win that he neglects that a boxer has a body that is easier to hit.  If he could have invested on hitting the body on the earlier rounds, probably we had a different result.  And in addition that Magsayo failed to adjust against Vargas strategy.



Age does affect Nietes fight style, he is way slower than before so the boxing fans might probaby noticed it already.  But I so wish that Nietes win's the fight to bring home the title.

I hope so too and I'm looking forward to that. Mark Magsayo losing his title and PH doesn't have any champion now should give more boost and confidence for Nietes to bring his very A+ performance to this fight. Although yes we have to admit that it will really be a tough one for him because of some changes and characteristics on him that are not present now during his prime days.

Not used to seeing PH doesn't have any world champions. I hope we will have other rising stars too that will conquer the stage of world boxing.

Certainly there's a changes now because of his age compared to when he's in his prime. But I think he can beat Loka again like what he did before to reclaim the title. Because Nietes is one of the great boxer that brings victory to PH. I cant forget the way he fight, always in good timing and an accurate puncher too. So im looking forward to this fight even it will be held to Loka's home country because its an advantage to latter's part.

Hoping that he will be able to take this one again from Ioka, like just you mentioned, Nietes have that kind of attitude he's not into a KO orchestrator but more on timing, he throws good punches that will generate inside score card, though I also agree that he might fight differently and maybe his age might affects his speed but experienced wise I do believe that he can stand further and possibly can take this again from Ioka.

Donnie Nietes is definitely very old for boxing.  

He is already 43 years old - at this age it is difficult to maintain the former lightness and mobility.  

Nevertheless, this is a very experienced boxer.  He knows a lot of clever boxing tricks that can lead him to victory.  At the same time, he lacks aggressiveness and pressure.  His punches don't lead to a knockout.  They are not accurate or powerful enough.  

Therefore, in my opinion, Kazuko Ioka will defeat Donnie Nietes in this boxing match

Correction, he is not yet 43 years, he is only 40 years old yet it's still considered as old in boxing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Nietes


In terms of experience he has the edge, but if his age would be the reason for him to lose his stamina, I think he will not win in this fight.

Prime Nietes was a very fine technical fighter. When facing an aggressive and pressure fighter, he will be the matador. I think Nietes has decent power capable of knockouts but he prefers to stay safe and away from risk. I kind of disagree that Nietes is not accurate otherwise he would have lost a lot of his previous fights because he is not a volume puncher. You can't be a 4 division champion, a lineal, and a top 10 Ring pound for pound without great accuracy. 

Let's not get misled by Ioka's 30 fights compared to Nietes' 44. Ioka once held the Japanese record with the fewest fights to become a world champion. Ioka became a world champion in only his 7th professional fight (correct me if I'm wrong but I think this was later broken by Inoue and then by Tanaka). I believe Ioka has more world title fight experience than Nietes.

I don't know about this but I like to believe that Nietes would not lose in this fight if he is not old, at his age now, I think Ioka will bounce back and beat him. Losing a split decision means the fight is very competitive, so now Kazuto Ioka has the edge due to his age and he is more active than Nietes I think.

Yes. I also think that prime Nietes will beat a prime Ioka. Both are the same 4 division champions and are future Hall of Famers. They nearly have the same styles too. They're both smart, technical, patient, and armed with excellent jabs. I just believe that prime Nietes is just slightly better.

Back to reality. Ioka has a clear edge in this coming rematch. I don't think Nietes has the power to knockout Ioka and his age makes the mission becoming nearly impossible.


 

True but we don't know the shape of Nietes. He had some time off and his age makes him a wild card at this point. He can be good or he can be bad. Anyway his age and the fact that champions usually get higher odds will make Nietes the underdog here, at least when it comes to bets.
It's going to be an interesting fight that's for sure because we won't know what to expect. It's hard to score fighters that are so different in age and experience before the fight.

Knocking Ioka's is really a tough job since Nietes even in his prime is known for this kind of power punch, he beats his opponents with patience and good timings, with that statement of yours, I always say that Nietes is better in terms of prime era. But likewise, with his age and with crowd advantage of Ioka, it's more on mind games and how Nietes can stand until the last round and see if he will win with the judges' decisions.

I will just bet that the good and long experience of Nietes will beat the strategy of the opponent.

Nietes already knows what's lacking for him now compare to us. He already knows his disadvantages and for sure already understands that his body might not cooperate and catch up with him wherever he wants. Just come to think of it, he knows already the experience of fighting Ioka and probably watching some mix tapes on how Ioka was changed and improved since their last fight where Nietes won.

Since there's no way I will support Ioka, I like to believe that at some point Nietes has some advantages in technical terms. Let's wait and see if Nietes' age is really a hindrance in this fight or as the famous quote in the Philippines, only Carabaos aged lol.

Yes, Nietes is not known to have a knockout power, but he made it up with this brilliant fighting with being a technician and putting on a clinic in every fight during his prime.

But we will see if he still has it, of course by his age, he is no longer in his prime. But maybe he can still perform as expected and beat Ioka. It might be a slim chance, but with no Filipino champion right now, maybe that will motivate him to and give everything for his country.

Thinking the same. Nietes carry a lot of responsibility on his shoulder now especially since we don't have any world champion now. He will revenge Magsayo's loss but on the way thru claiming another world title for the Phillipines. But this time, it's really hard to do it as he's now at the retirement point of his career and Ioka will fight him in front of his Japanese supporters.

I hope Nietes will upset Ioka on his home and bring the Philippines again to the list of having a world champion.

Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best for Nietes in his fight tomorrow. That's one tough hill to climb but like I've said in my previous post when Nietes' back is on the wall and everybody thinks that he would lose, he would rise to the occasion and surprise everyone many times and hope tomorrow he will deliver one more time, it would be the sweetest not only for him but to all the Filipino fans of this sweet science.

Odds are already out but only the ML but nevertheless it is still an attractive one if we are for Nietes.

https://i.imgur.com/hIxjUH5.png

Next to Nietes and Manny Pacquiao as well as Donaire, these are the only three boxers from the Philippines to have won world titles in four divisions. I am enthusiastically cheering for Donnie Nietes as the winner here.

But then again Nietes has been out of the ring for 2019 and 2020 and his age is no secret. I really do wonder if he has any energy left in him to beat Kazuto as he currently is.

The age difference is only 7 years but that might be the leading factor in what is to come. I am hoping that Donnie Nietes does not disappoint, although history shows that he never has, just yet.

Either way, excited for the fight!

Few more hours before they fight. In our poll, we got Nietes 68.2% compared to Ioka's 27.3% and 4.5% had it a draw. So it seems that many of you guys answered it based on your hearts? ;D

I would love Nietes to win here but honestly, I voted for Ioka. Because Nietes based on his previous fights is not the same fighter that went undefeated in many title fights in 4 divisions. I didn't bet this time because, of course, I want Nietes to prove me wrong. 

Donnie Nietes is looking for a knockout win, can he really do it, right now he is the only one with a title belt, and yes that is a big responsibility, after his fight with Kazuto Ioka Nietes just got 2 more fights he won against Pablo Carillo, and a draw against Norbelto Jimenez, while Kazuto Ioka has 5 matches after their fight and all are a victory for Ioka, I really think Ioka is a different fighter now than the Ioka he last fought back in 2018, and Nietes is on the brink of getting a retirement, sad to say but all those 5 opponent that Ioka fought only 1 was a push over but the preparation he just got in facing Nietes again is kind of remarkable,

For me, this is going to be a hard fight for Donnie Nietes, after their fight, Kazuto Ioka is more active than Nietes, I hate to say this but this is likely a hard fight for Donnie Nietes, I will not put a bet for this fight but I really like Nietes to win this fight but my thought is this is a 50/50 for me


That Odd could be accurate, and I don't want to see Nietes the one to lose here, but I am seeing this is a hard fight for him, I really think Kazuto Ioka is not the same fighter since their last fight back in 2018, But in his words, there might be a possibility that Donnie "Ahas" Nietes might still win this fight, and he really needs to win this fight he is the only champion that we have right now,

The odd for Nietes is now @ 4.90 ML. That's very tempting if you can spare some amount. He already beat him before

and with a good scout with how Ioka fights previously, the chance for Nietes to win is still doable. It's a matter of doing everything

he can to take Ioka again, though for sure there are lots of changes as the young fighter already made his way to this level

and he also has a good scout to analyze how he can beat Nietes in his own crowd.

What is happening here? I thought Nietes have won their previous fight, so he should not be underestimated like that.

Well, I'm tempted already, I'm taking the ML as I'm sure Nietes will give a fight, and who knows he might win again.
Home court advantage, it doesn't matter to me.

Is the fight today? I'm trying to look at the results and so far I can't find any.

I wanted for Nietes to win this one, at least restored order in boxing for Filipinos as one by one the champion has lost their belt, recently, Magsayo on a very tough match against Vargas.

I'll probably look if there is someone in Facebook that might share this fight for free.  :)

There are three accounts sharing the live feed and this is one of them the commentators are all Japanese, so you are left on your own to analyze the fight if you don't understand Japanese, so far the fight is dead even  no one has a disadvantage, they are still sizing each other.

https://www.facebook.com/105609045521138/videos/797843414914891

First half of the fight is over and if the trend continues, Nietes will lose this one. Ioka was too active throwing punches though no significant damage to Nietes but i think the former will get points from that on the judges. Hope Nietes will adjust and not abandon his jab.

Thanks for the link, seems like Nietes has lost his aggressiveness already, there's no KO from this fight, and once it will go to the judges scorecards, we already know who is the winner, not biased judgement but it's very obvious that Kazuto Ioka is the aggressor in this fight.

Another loss for a Filipino boxer, its a clear statement that Ioka dominates the match and Nietes was experienced a hard time.
Very unfortunate to have back to back loss for a Filipino boxer, it looks like Nietes is already over. Its good though that Nietes was able to last until the final round, no more world champion and heart break loss for a Filipino boxer, not a good year for us.

This year has been really tough for Filipino boxers. I guess it isn't their lucky year. It was really a back to back lost which is heartbreaking. I thought Nieter would win this fight so there will be at least one Filipino to raise their flag in the boxing ring again. I hope that there will still be the hope of new winning for Filipinos in the next matches.

We need to have another sets of trained fighters, our legends already falls and they can retire their gloves now, I'm speaking in regard to both Nietes and Donaire, they can follow the lead of Pacman they all represent our country with glory and there's nothing to ask from them, they've tried all the best and time for them to rest and enjoy a decent and simpler life.

Though in terms of Magsayo and all those young active fighters, they still have their time to regain and make our country proud again.

Maybe the year is not for the PH fighters, there is always a good time to improve and to win another title!

It's clear that Kazuto Ioka is not slacking off when he lost to Donnie Nietes, he has 5 good fights but Donnie Nietes has only 2 fights 1 were a draw so the taken experience was really valid for Ioka, Nietes hasn't had enough fight, and forcing himself in a knockout win is a bad thing aswell, it really backfires on him, this is I don't like it when I was right, and for this fight, I can really feel a bad thing might happen, Nietes from their 1st fight is having a hard time and Kazuto Ioka is not really a push over, and for me Donnie Nietes after so many years in boxing I really think this is the time he can retire if he can not continue anymore,


It is not the end of the world, I really think Filipinos are going to get back again, they only need to push further, I really think it is just a coincidence that back-to-back belts were taken from a Filipino boxer, for losing inside the ring, getting stripped of the belt, I really think there is a reason to this, and this is just a start of a new chapter I think there will be a time when a boxer will rise and get back the flag on the top of the sports again, I am sure of that,


I agree, I really think Nietes needs to retire and call it over, but if he knows in himself that he can still fight then I really respect that, but for me enough is enough I think Donnie Nietes has shown enough he really needs to put his gloves down and just teach the younger generation that is willing to be like the champions, because even though this looks like over for the Legends a new generation of a champion can surely emerge,

And for Mark Magsayo, he needs to pursue again and trained even harder, and for John Riel Casimero, I am really disappointed

Not a good year, and maybe its time now to look for a younger boxer and challenge the world boxing again. Nietes still did a great job though, we saw him still fighting despite of the big lead of Ioka. Filipino boxer should not be demotivated, they should rise again. This might be the last fight of Nietes according to the rumors, but hopefully not true.

Nietes is already 40 years old he should retire he has done a lot in Philippine boxing its time for him to enjoy his retirement, this is one of the times that no Pinoy boxing world champion, but still Pinoys are great boxers and will always contention to
 any weight category I'm sure many new boxers will rise, its not the end of Pinoy boxing after Pacquiao retires, right now the Philippine's big ace is none other than Casimero, I hope he takes up the challenge to put another Pinoy boxing world champion again and takes his career seriously.

I think Casimero will rise more to fame but his arrogance is what he's proud of when he goes into that boxing ring. If we compare it to Nietes and Pacquiao that's totally the opposite. I think if Nietes lost this match, he'd be happily wants to retire with contention.

Well, that's a lose for Nietes there.

He should be more careful on his career now and by the way he speak. If he's aiming to be of the same greatness with these great boxers during his time, he really need to humble down and also avoid talking too much but showing more his strength during the fight. Although he's really got something to boast for.

I dont have any doubts on casimero in terms of capability or the way he fights which i could say that he had really having that potential on next to MP but its true that his arrogance
and shitty things that had been done on this career is never been appealing on boxing fans or even into his fellow countrymen. For Nietes then its not really bad on considering
on having a retirement after this match.He's already 40 whether he would win or lose this one then not really bad to consider on making up such decision but
if we do speak about on whose gonna win this one then i would still choose Nietes over Ioka.

Casimero is still in the prime of his career, and he is the next best hope of Philippine boxing, his promoters should set him up for a title shot if the Inoue will not push through, its better for Casimero to make a bid in a higher weight category, he did mention that he is having a hard time losing weight, the biggest proof is his preparation for the Butler fight.

Casimero has fought and beaten some of the tough champions in his campaign like Tete, and he is always dangerous his promoters and his team should focus on motivating him to focus on his career.

Yeah, I didn't finished the fight because it's clearly that the Japanese is dominating the fight from the very beginning.

Scores of 120-108, 118-110 and 117-111 were in favor of Ioka. Nietes counter was not enough, as the Japanese was the aggressor. So Ioka has avenge his lost and it seems that Nietes age has shown in this fight and better be hanging the gloves for good.

The thing is, Casimero has to start from scratch, because he didn't lose his belt inside the ring, instead he can't make the weight for his fight. So his handlers might fight it hard for him if even the organization that he hold the belt, WBO will not give him a change to fight the champion.

So you can't blame if he can't get a decent fight the soonest because of bad decision this year. He can get a fight maybe next year but it will be to some unknown fighter first and then build his way up.

there are fighters who are very stubborn and don't like to retire while they are still invincible or at least have a very small number of defeats, in this case for example it would have been much more advantageous if Nietes had retired and not fought, now he lost , and lost to a younger fighter who attacked him throughout the fight, that is, Nietes lost in a convincing way, this has to serve as an example for him that his age is no longer enough to keep fighting. the body gets tired with age, the movements become slower and then the person gets tired faster

I just knew that Ioka will end by unanimous decision the fight was close in the early then the middle and the latter rounds Ioka dominate the fight if you're a challenger and you're fighting in the champion's territory you have to dominate the fight just like what Haney did against Kambosos, but I'm still proud of Nietes he did not go down without a fight, but his glory days are over and he will be in the list of great Filipino champion.

Tough year for Philippine boxing. The chance of getting another world title now vanished.

Now what, we don't have any possible match for the title match right? Our boxers should now line up again for the title shot.

Nonito Donaire, who loses the WBC bantamweight doesn't have any chance now for the title
Rene Mark Cuarto, who loses the IBF minimumweight title has to be lined up again
John Riel Casimero, who loses his WBO bantamweight title by default because of weight issues, the future is not clear
Mark Magsayo, who loses the WBC featherweight might not get a rematch for the title and have to line up too
Donnie Nietes, who loses recently, might hang his gloves now

Did I miss someone?

When will PH have again another world titleholder? That's the question.

The scores are very gap. The fight was clearly dominated by the Japanese fighter. Nietes really struggles but can't believe he still remains standing to the last round even though Ioka is aggressively trying and attempting to take him down at any cost.

Ioka is the clear winner and congrats to him. Big respect.

Nietes doesn't have to think too much of this loss. He did his best and will remember in PH boxing history.

Tough loss but still proud of what he did there in the ring, he's still a champion in our hearts as a Filipino. Ioka was just a beast and still in his prime.

I don't know if he's that careful but just can't get enough on that arrogance, historically that doesn't end well for who have done it in the past. Still love those boxers that aren't arrogant yet won't back out when they're stepping that ring, they're the respectable professionals.

Agreed!
Clearly a 1 sided fight. Ioka came up well prepared and studied the tape from the 1st fight. That's the reason why Nietes had a very limited moves and he is less aggressive.
Now, this could be an indicator for him to hang his gloves. Though he could still have 1 or 2 more fight to try and win some more fights, but I think he's done enough and clearly father time is calling him.
Time to rest, he's already cemented his legacy as one of the best Filipino boxer.

Yeah, it seems this is a bad omen year for Philippine boxing as one by one the champions have been defeated and there are 0 Filipinos who hold a belt now.

Jerwin Ancajas as well if I'm not mistaken lost his belt this year.

Anyhow, I have no doubt that there will be a set of boxers that will follow Pacquiao, Nietes and Donaire again.

Nietes did his best but the Japanese is really superior and he did improved a lot during their last fight. And with that huge gap in the score, it was a total disaster for a come backing Nietes, he should have remain semi-retired. Anyhow, the future still looks bright for Filipino boxing, maybe there could be one that they will discover again and maybe be the next Manny, or Ahas or Filipino Flash that will carry the flag for them. The've been successful though in the Olympic boxing and winning medals so I guess it could be a consolidation for a disaster 2022.

Really tough times for Ph professional boxing. Because last year was its golden age in amateur boxing and in overall sports in general achieving gold, silver, and bronze medals in the Olympics.

I think Donaire, Pacman, and Nietes are done simply because they are too old to compete in this hurting sport. I am banking on former world champions, Casimero, Tapales, Ancajas, Cuarto and Taduran in order. They are experienced at the world level and were former champions, especially Casimero already a 3 division champion. Taduran and Cuarto are very talented in their division but if they keep on fighting in enemy territories then they will be easily exploited by bad officiating.

I don't have much confidence in Magsayo because he's too raw. In all his last fights in the US, he actually struggled against cherry-picked opponents. Thanks to his punching power, he barely escaped defeats although still wild with no proper setups. He also became a world champion because Russell Jr.'s other hand was injured plus his long inactivity. Magsayo's punching power nearly saved him again from Vargas but came up short due to his lack of boxing technique he failed to capitalize on some moments where Vargas was visibly hurt. I really hope that he can execute Freddie Roach's game plan in his next fight.

As for Nietes. Hope he retires and enjoys the fruits of his hard labor. And for Ioka. I want to see him unify the belts. The division is filled with very good names like El Gallo, Chocolatito, the new kid in town Bam Rodriguez, and Ancajas.  

IMO, Ioka is not that good in terms of skill, he won yesterday's fight because of Nietes' declined performance-wise.

Ioka is very beatable and if the rematch took place months after the first fight, the result could have been the same as the first fight.

In fairness to Ioka, he deserved that win because of his aggressiveness and being relentless in throwing anything he has last night  ;D.

Looking forward to the match between Ancajas and Ioka, this could be exciting because we all know how skillful Ancajas is and for sure he would bounce back from that unexpected defeat.

Casimero and Ancajas are now the bright prospects of bringing glory to the PH in the world of boxing.

We can understand that because Nietes is already old, I think his career in boxing is already over, he should have already retired and enjoyed his life after boxing.
His performance has a big decline compared to his past performances, so it's time to stop boxing professionally.


I like to see this one, I guess think Ancajas can easily beat Ioka.

How about Ioka vs Chocolatito? There is a good and interesting article by by Cliff Rold:


https://www.boxingscene.com/timing-right-chocolatito-ioka--167629

What do you guys think of this fight? Yeah, maybe two old warriors but I guess it's not too late to see this two in the ring? Or even those guys mentioned in the article?

I think Casimero is now the best fighter in the Philippines, if only his title was not stripped, he could fight Inoue and we will see how far Inoue could go against him. I believe that Casimero will become a champion soon, and we will have a Filipino champion to follow again.

Filipino boxers are so unlucky this year.

Casimero
Magsayo
Donaire.

They all lose their title this year.

although from my own understanding of boxing gambling I understand that some of the noise and statement they all that before but is to scare their counterpart or their opponents away because they feel like that making much speech will bring or make some of people who they will feature it him will be afraid to fight him. Boxing fighters is like wrestling fighters there's no difference between boxing fighters and terrestrial fighters both make such statements before fight and that trigger their anger and happiness of their fans but that is not the end points of the fight, the end point is who win and where is the money going to or belong to.

I disagree with that, Boxing and wrestling as a sport are completely different in the sense that Boxing is real competition while wrestling is scripted or just like an acting job to entertain people. It's not a real competition compared to boxing where we have a world champions.

Well, that's boxing though, sometimes you lose, in the case of Casimero, he lost his belt on the weighing scale. While Donaire to a young monster and then Magsayo fell short because his talent seems to be raw.

As for Nietes, same case with Donaire, old and aging champion that wanted to bring back the time. But Ioka was the better fighter. He is at his prime and Nietes has no answer when the bell rings. And there was no controversy, as he lost badly, but during his prime, he is one of the PH best.

Casimero could've gotten far if not because of his weight issues and we could see how would Casimero and Inoue perform when these two classic boxers share a ring but we didn't got the chance because Casimero was stripped even before he got a chance to step foot on the ring.
The thing is that Casimero's enemy is his own self because his weight disables and brings obstruction to his past few fights.
I'm afraid that his only choice is to step up to the next division and that he needs to make a decision this year too because time is not on his side as he's not getting any younger.

So another great Filipino boxer needs to hang his gloves permanently again.  It was obvious that age does affect Nietes fight.  I have seen his previous fight and I was like, this wasn't Nietes years ago.  So I thought that his opponent will win this time and it does.


I blame this incident on Casimiro's camp.  They are responsible for the boxer's diet.  They should have known better.  If only Casimo has not been stripped of the title, I so love to see how he will fare against Inuoe but it looks like it is wishful thinking now.

Both Nietes and Donaire are fighters who continue to try their best to bring the glory of our country they are both aging and even they think that they can still fight and can still win, against the younger and in prime fighters it really a tough one to survive, good thing for Nietes he stand still and did manage to exchange some punches,

unlike with Donaire, the young monster is up into business. Inoue didn't give him enough space to recover.

that monster really makes sure that he won't be suffered by any solid combination of Donaire the way he was from the first time they've met.

Yes, they're completely different.

They could be both athletes but the sports itself are entirely not the same so how could you say that there's no difference between them? Boxing is more crucial while in wrestling, if it's the typical sport and entertainment that we watch, then you know that there's the acting thing on it.

In boxing, you really see those knockouts for real and with long trainings before the match, that's how they put dedication on it.

Yeah, those boxers that have a humble heart, they're likely to get more fans and love from the people. But if that's how they talk to their opponents, maybe there's something else.
We don't know them yet personally and I think that they're different in real lives when you deal with them face to face and that would make us think differently.

There is a wrestling competition.  Don't misunderstand WWE as a competitive sport.  WWE is just an entertainment program that is why it is scripted.  But wrestling is actually a sport. you can find its history here[1]

If you are confused, wrestling is also an Olympic sports event.  You can check this site[2] for more information.

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So basically what dataispower stated is true, both sports, boxing and wrestling is greatly affected by age just like what happen in the recent fight of Nietes.

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[1] https://www.britannica.com/sports/wrestling
[2] https://www.nbcolympics.com/wrestling

I'm not sure about that. He is having a problem maintaining his shape and weight, NOT ONCE but TWICE.

He is given enough time to work on that but still, he failed to deliver it successfully prior to the rescheduled date of his title defense against Butler. If he doesn't have that condition, I will agree that Casimero might be the strongest and currently the best fighter in the Philippines.

Naoya Inoue is a big thing and he won't be called a monster for no reason. He is 100% always in shape every time he fights. Casimero will just be a punching bag for Inoue if the former can't do something about his weight problems. Inoue is much quicker than Casimero while having a destructive punch at the same time.

Off-topic now and OP can now lock this thread.

Yes, no doubt! Nietes will indeed beat badly Ioka if they were both seating at the peak of their respective prime, Nietes wouldn't be the longest champion if he's not that strong enough to defend the belt every time had a fight. But that is all in the past because if we look closely at the situation now, lots have already changed and we can already say that Nietes is on the wrong side in this fight because Ioka is much younger and definitely have more edge to win in this rematch.

But his journey now has ended, not officially though but the way he fought tells us that he is already aging. Nietes is not an aggressive fighter, he is more of a technical fighter but we can see that his power is not strong enough to hurt Ioka in this fight.

There's no official statement yet that he will retire from boxing, but most likely, he would retire soon if not this year. He still have a good record but that is only a record to keep because we already saw his limitation and he could not beat the young fighters anymore.

Before the OP lock the thread:

Donnie Nietes To Continue Forward, Reacts To Loss in Ioka Rematch. (https://www.boxingscene.com/donnie-nietes-continue-forward-reacts-loss-ioka-rematch--167658)


So it seems that Nietes is looking forward to continue his boxing career. I don't know if this is a good idea, but only him can answer that. As far as his performance, it seems that Father time has really catch up with the former champion though.

Yes, he is still looking forward to have some fights and if he really that dedicated then it has to happen this year because time is really on his side. I know that he could still do some of it but his words will not sum up on how he moved during the rematch, it just that Ioka has learned that is why the Japanese fighter doesn't throw some punch to have some exchange because Ioka definitely knows that Nietes could still give some good punch.
We will see if Probellum can match someone to the former champion.

What happens is that Ioka has a lot of experience, he knows what to do at the right time, he also knows himself very well as he is, his body, his abilities and how far he can go, he will not overexert himself because he knows he would not achieve anything, he just perhaps an injury, and that is not pleasant at all, I think Nietes knows that, for me the fight will be more complicated on Nietes' part, because for me the only way I can win is if I read all of Ioka's movements, And that is something that is very difficult, even for Ioka with the experience he has, I see it difficult for Nietes, the experience is sometimes an additional factor that plays against.

Yes, its probably the Ioka has really adjusted and knows how to play Nietes this time, He knows that Nietes will be countering him all night, so what did he do? just one-two punch then go out of the target range of Nietes. And if Donnie tries to go be the aggressive, then Ioka will just turtle up. Anyhow, let's see what will be the next move by this team and his handlers. He says he wanted to continue to fight then so be it.

From Nietes' reaction, it looks like Ioka is the wiser boxer.  And he failed to adjust when his expectations did not happen.  But kudos to him for accepting the result.


Yes, he can still fight, anyone can fight but the question is, can he compete against the prime boxer in his weight class?  His performance indeed tells that it would be hard for him to get another title.

Aside from that, Ioka also made some more experience after the 1st encounter they had which gave more advantage to Ioka and this time, Ioka is more confident and much smarter just like what we saw recently. If we look on Nietes and Ioka's recent record, the latter did more fights and all those fights has ended on his favor unlike Nietes who only managed to win 1 fight and 1 draw.

He lost on their first encounter so he made an adjustment, if only Nietes was younger, he could have won the fight. But as we all saw, it was pretty evident that he slowed down, he also lose a bit of power from his punchers that's why IoKa continues to get aggressive.

He won via split decision, and Nietes took the belt on that win.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/215599

Well, Ioka made his revenge and beat Nietes through a dominant performance, it was a clear win by Ioka and that will probably send Nietes to retirement.

So, what are the rumors about these two fighters?
Next fight for Ioka?

Yup, Ioka did manage to get his revenge and this time, the Japanese boxer didn't waste any move as he is avoiding a toe-toe-toe fight after throwing a few punches to get himself at a safe distance. It was evident that Ioka has learned enough not to get himself too attached to Nietes because that would endanger him if he will step into Nietes's reach with a counter punch.

Don't know about Ioka's next move but he is still young enough to get many fights as he can and Nietes have also said that he's still looking forward to getting some more fights before considering retirement, maybe a last win on any boxer in the same division will make him retire, not sure.

I just saw the news that there are words from Nietes. He said that he may be defeated against Ioka but that doesn't mean that he's going to retire already.

He's still able to fight with world titles.

So, that's the clue that his fans are waiting for and to answer the rumors about his retirement and won't fight again. But, who he is going to fight for the next match? Still too early to guess.

Although I don't like the idea of his decision we have to respect that. But for sure, his next match would be against boxers on the lower rank tier. He won't have a shot once again at a title match now especially since he will be over 40 years of age before he will be qualified. He can't also match those boxers that are currently in prime or just past their prime.

The "ahas" in Nietes' body is not that deadly anymore and is also close to retirement.

If he thinks he can still fight then go. I just hope his good record won't add another loss or maybe he doesn't care for it anymore as the goal is to earn more money while his retirement is now approaching and nearing. If there's an offer just grab it while he can.

It makes sense. At least, everyone including me don't buy the age idea as an advantage until we saw the fight.

I really don't consider age as a factor if the boxer on the topic is still deadly in their previous fights prior to that loss which happened to Nietes and one good example too, is Nonito Donaire.

Ioka is also on the goal of revenge and that's a title defense so we can expect that he will do his best to retain his title.

The crowd was also on his side and even without involving the Science here, the crowd favored a boxer can give them the boost they need to defeat the visitors.

For a boxer the last to give up is the body, the mind is always there to persist until a boxer realizes that the mind is very much willing but the body cannot keep up anymore, I just hope Nietes will not realize it late, Nietes has done a lot for the boxing fans he has the record of the longest reign as a Pinoy World champion, its hard to beat that record.
I don't think he'll have another crack at the world title this early he had to work his way up

He has changed because he became older.

But nothing against with his passion and eagerness to have another match soon and it's going to depend on him still. I think everything is indeed all about money for these professional boxers that should have chosen to retire instead of getting back even if they think that they still can fight.

We all share the same thoughts that he should just choose to settle and retire and train others. It's just too many good boxers have been retiring at the same time altogether.

Their primes has past and they need to help and build the younger ones.

I see that all the reason to win is on Ioka's shoulder, the first thing is to avenge his loss then being a champion need him to protect his popularity and continue to rise high, but the important thing here is the pride of fighting in front of your fans, he's really equipt by all those reason to showcase his skills and not to allow Nietes to beat him again and snatch his belt.

It's all done and Nietes loss though he did try to stand and not to be KO, but the numbers of pinches and converted scores

state that Ioka is really the winner of this fight, not the age but the determination to take that combo and willingness to accept
the risk in case Nietes landed solid counters.

Both did their best but Nietes failed to adjust when Ioka does things Nietes least expected.  It is either the failure to size up the situation and adapt or his body failed to readjust according to the situation since he has greatly slowed down.  I know Nietes as an intelligent strategic fighter, he is always calculating but it looks like he failed this time. 

Still respect Nietes's determination to continue aiming for the title despite his age and its complications.  I do hope he gets a chance to another title bout and hopefully wins it before he acknowledges that he needs to retire.

He may think of retirement after this fight. He's not getting any younger so better enjoy his remaining years with his family.
At least, he will be retiring in good health rather than with lifetime injury owed by boxing.
Time to hang the gloves and give the stage to younger boxers. I guess, a lot of Filipino boxers are losing on this sports.
Ioka on the other hand, has still years to prove himself inside the boxing ring. At least we are watching good fights in this sports.

That's not the case. It's been reported that Donnie Nietes wants to have another run in his career. I just don't know against whom since he's just lost his biggest title shot recently. I also like him to see him hanging his gloves but we can't control his desire to come back to the ring even though he is now considered old to do it. We need to respect his decision.

Maybe he needs another fight to confirm to himself if he still can win a fight. Well, we all like to see him retire but he is the one who will decide in the end, if he feels he still has left on him, then probably he will have another shot and try to win, but hopefully he will be convinced to retire if he fails again.

Even if he will have another fight, I don't think he will win the fight. Enough is enough, he is not getting any younger, he needs to think of retirement now that he is still healthy so he will be able to enjoy his life. As a boxer gets older, their body depreciates as well, and it was very evident in his last fight.

Yes, he wants to reclaim another world title as he think he still have enough left from his tank.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.inquirer.net/470243/despite-loss-donnie-nietes-confident-he-can-still-fight-for-world-titles/amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.inquirer.net/470243/despite-loss-donnie-nietes-confident-he-can-still-fight-for-world-titles/amp)
I have mad respect to Nietes as he is the longest filipino world champion, but I guess it's really time for him to hang his gloves. Though only him who knew his own capabilities, but it is obvious his age is already holding him to deliver a good fight like he used to.
However, he is very determined to have another fight. So, I only have to wish him good luck and be better in his upcoming fight.

That's why Manny Pacquiao retired when he got beaten by Ugas. he was the heavy favorite in the fight and yet we didn't see the old Pacman, so after the fight, he realized that his time is over and has to retire for good. We have no Filipino champion now I guess, so it's not good for the boxing community as we don't have a boxers that we will follow.

I agree that the last fight gives him a decent amount of money and retirement can be processed now for him to enjoy his free time with his family.

Thinking about another fight with his age is not good. He is already at the point where the body is no longer the same during his prime.

A single mistake can cause his life, better to think of happy things that he can provide with his family, in case being a trainer or handler

can be done after his retirement.

Pacman is the greatest Filipino boxer, he achieves huge success in boxing and therefore he deserves to rest and enjoy his retirement. But recently, there's news that Pacman is going for an exhibition fight, something a boxer like Nietes would not benefit from in terms of revenue because he is not so popular.

Manny could make millions easily through exhibition fights, easy fight but would get him easy money.

By the way @OP, you can lock this thread now I guess.

Looks like he goes to retire after this fight after holding one of the longest record holders in their division. another Japanese vs Pilipino fight, it would be the best fight for both countries since not long ago Donaire lose to Inoue, both fans really want to see some exciting fight because what they saw in that fight was short and they want to see a real battle and explosive clash in the ring this time. In Donnie will lose here, then it's the time for the Japanese to make names for themselves in the boxing industry, it's likely their time has come to dominate every weight division as well.

Nah, he won't and infact, Niete's has said that he is still looking to have a fight sooner and didn't disclose any details when will he decide to hang his gloves because he is not getting any younger. He should know when to stop because he may still have the strength to release powerful punches but he is not that agile anymore to get the correct pace and time on his punches unlike when he's a bit younger few years back.

Anyway, let's see if Probellum can find him a match soon. I'm just afraid of the consequence he might face soon because of his decision at his age now because boxers are likely going to try and make a fight with Niete's as he's viewed as a trophy these days that they can add on their records.